They went after JK Rawling . They went after Dr Seuss . Who's next ?

Add Roald Dahl to the list . His lifetime accomplishments speaks for themselves . A fighter pilot in WWII for the Brits ,an intel officer ,a diplomat .... he went on to become a famous author /poet . Some of his more famous work include. 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' ,and 'Matilda . His books have sold more than 300 million copies and have been translated into 63 languages, while there have been numerous adaptations of his work for both the big and small screens. According to CNN.

Roald Dahl book changes spark censorship spat - CNN Style (https://www.cnn.com/style/article/roald-dahl-censored-gbr-scli-intl/index.html)

Recent editions of his works have been altered like they did to Mark Twain to eliminate words no longer acceptable to the woke mob. "Sensitivity readers" were hired to scrutinize the text of his works with parts rewritten for a modern audience.



Edits have been made to descriptions of characters’ physical appearances. The word “fat” has been cut from every new edition of relevant books, while the word “ugly” has also been culled, the Daily Telegraph reported (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/17/roald-dahl-woke-overhaul-offensive-words-removed/). Augustus Gloop in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is now described as “enormous”. In The Twits, Mrs Twit is no longer “ugly and beastly” but just “beastly”.
Hundreds of changes were made to the original text – and some passages not written by Dahl have been added.

Roald Dahl books rewritten to remove language deemed offensive | Roald Dahl | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive)

Who is there to defend Dahl ? Salman Rushdi ;perhaps the first modern victim of the cancel culture jihad has piped in .

Salman Rushdie on Twitter: "Roald Dahl was no angel but this is absurd censorship. Puffin Books and the Dahl estate should be ashamed." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/SalmanRushdie/status/1627075835525210113)

Rushdi suffered for his courage in writing 'The Satanic Verses' with multiple stab wounds that cost him an eye as he spoke at a literary conference in upstate New York. His words have weight . He lives with the threat every day.

Perhaps the words of Rushdie and Rawlings and Mario Vargas Llosa ,the Peruvian novelist who bravely speaks out and writes against dictators ,wokeness and censorship will some day reverse this trend of literary cancel culture ;for the sake of civilization

Someone is going to have a lot of fun rewriting the Bible, the Koran, the Upanishads, the Bhavagad Gita, and so on.

Someone is going to have a lot of fun rewriting the Bible, the Koran, the Upanishads, the Bhavagad Gita, and so on.

Gonna have a coronary when they get to Shakespeare, especially Romeo & Juliet...

Well written post, CB. Sad commentary on the West as it exists now.

Yet another example of the thought police at work.


After a Christian charity worker who walked away from homosexuality following his conversion to Christ offered his powerful testimony on a radio show, law enforcement threatened him with possible jail time and a stiff fine for allegedly breaching his country’s law banning LGBT “conversion practices.”

https://ads.lifesitenews.com/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid=310&campaignid=136&zoneid=1&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifesitenews.com%2Fnews%2Fex-gay-threatened-with-jail-time-fines-for-testifying-about-leaving-homosexuality%2F&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F&cb=8162463b34
The Maltese government’s action against Matthew Grech, 33, is believed to be the first of its kind and is being viewed as a test case by free speech groups and Christian organizations that aim to protect the rights of former gays and lesbians to tell their stories and live freely without harassment from LGBT groups. Some of the latter assert that Christian teaching on marriage and debate surrounding LGBT lifestyles must be treated as criminal offenses.

Grech’s message is simple: A decade ago, he experienced conversion to Christ, realized that sexual acts outside of male/female marriage are a “sin,” and freely chose to give up the homosexual life he had been living.

If convicted, he faces up to five months in prison and/or a fine of 5,000 Euros.
Grech is one of a not insignificant number of former homosexuals and transgender men and women who face increasing opposition from media and government to telling their often-heroic stories to the public.

Ex-gay threatened with jail time, fines for testifying about leaving homosexuality - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com) (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ex-gay-threatened-with-jail-time-fines-for-testifying-about-leaving-homosexuality/)

One doesn't "walk away from" homosexuality.

He did.

Temporary. He can't escape.

He did.

Nope, it's not a choice. Ask him in a year how he feels. Ask in six months!

"Being gay is simply a matter of one's nature; it's not a choice, despite what religion tries to claim. The people of religion have never truly known a homosexual if they feel this way. Most people can pick out a gay child at an early age; shouldn’t people of religion consider that before marking a person as damned? They could never know what it’s like to struggle against what society tells a person and what they know they are inside. Besides, if homosexuality was a choice, do you really think homosexuals would willingly choose the hardships, rejection, discrimination, and self-loathing that commonly come with “choosing” such a lifestyle?"
https://pairedlife.com/gender-sexuality/The-Dangers-of-Repressed-Homosexuality

Nope, it's not a choice. Ask him in a year how he feels. Ask in six months!If you had bothered to read the article, you would know that it has been over ten years since he became a Christian and abandoned a homosexual lifestyle, so six months is not going to be a big deal.

I don't know that he would say he no longer has a desire for same-gender sex, though that is possible, but he would say he has found the one who is far greater than the temptations of this world. That's what all of us say who are genuinely committed to Jesus. We are bombarded with temptations everyday, but the opportunity to move on with Christ is a far better opportunity and so we take it, regardless of what kind of temptation(s) we have to deal with. It's a matter of abandoning the lessor in order to have the greater.


Being gay is simply a matter of one's natureThere is not so much as a shred of evidence to support that. It's just the usual pro-homosexual propaganda.

Jesus certainly doesn't condemn the LGTBQ+ community. He understands how they came to be, what happened in the mother's womb during pregnancy.

As that article says -- Besides, if homosexuality was a choice, do you really think homosexuals would willingly choose the hardships, rejection, discrimination, and self-loathing that commonly come with “choosing” such a lifestyle?

P.S. And I don't believe that guy has "given up" his homosexuality. It doesn't work that way.

Jesus certainly doesn't condemn the LGTBQ+ community. He understands how they came to be, what happened in the mother's womb during pregnancy.And how do you know this? And please stop with the "mother's womb" nonsense. There is no evidence at all that differences in the womb account for same-sex desires. Not one ounce.


P.S. And I don't believe that guy has "given up" his homosexuality. It doesn't work that way.
It did for him.

As that article says -- Besides, if homosexuality was a choice, do you really think homosexuals would willingly choose the hardships, rejection, discrimination, and self-loathing that commonly come with “choosing” such a lifestyle?

No one chooses homosexuality, just as no one chooses heterosexuality. It's what a person in born with.

There's ample evidence to prove that, and anyone wishing to see that evidence only needs to do some investigating on the internet. When they say there is no evidence and can't find any, they're not trying hard enough.

Homosexuals can choose to be celibate, but that does not change their sexuality.

If you do some honest googling, you can find scientific information about what happens and can happen during pregnancy.

Psychology Today said -- In a commentary published with the review, Cornell Human Development Professor Ritch Savin-Williams offers evidence of a continuum of sexual orientation that includes a wide variety of classifications, including people who are "mostly straight" with a small degree of same-sex attraction (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/mating) or people who are "mostly gay or lesbian" with some attraction to opposite-sex partners. Taking into account these groups, the prevalence of people experiencing at least some same-sex feelings may be much broader than is represented in many studies.

"Traditionally, we’ve thought of sexual orientation in terms of three categories: you are or identify as straight, bisexual, or gay/lesbian," he explained. "But recent research from a different perspective strongly suggests that this view mischaracterizes a significant number of people who have varying degrees of opposite-sex and same-sex romantic and sexual attractions and the ratio might well vary across contexts and time. That is, rather than categories there is a spectrum of sexualities and the in-between points along a continuum constitute perhaps a quarter of all individuals, especially if you consider their infatuations, crushes, and romantic feelings."

What the data do not tell us definitively is why people have different sexual orientations. But there is evidence that there are multiple contributing factors, some of which we don't yet understand.
The most scientifically plausible theories, according to the review, propose that sexual orientation is a product of biology and social factors, to varying degrees for different people. --

There's ample evidence to prove that, and anyone wishing to see that evidence only needs to do some investigating on the internet. When they say there is no evidence and can't find any, they're not trying hard enough.That's just the usual pitiful appeal, "I can't find it, so please do my work for me." No thanks. Do your own work.


What the data do not tell us definitively is why people have different sexual orientations. But there is evidence that there are multiple contributing factors, some of which we don't yet understand.

The most scientifically plausible theories, according to the review, propose that sexual orientation is a product of biology and social factors, to varying degrees for different people. --Saying that, "sexual orientation is a product of biology and social factors, to varying degrees for different people," is basically an open admission that they have searched diligently and yet don't have a clue. Thank you for posting that, WG.

People have a wide variety of sexual dysfunction. There are men who lust after little girls or little boys. Many people are addicted to porn. Some people want to have sex with animals. Many men want to cheat on their wives as frequently as possible. The list goes on and includes same-gender sex. They are all legitimate problems and should be viewed in that manner, as problems.

I do know this. Jesus still changes lives for the good, and no problem is too great for him. If I had not chosen to follow him and trust in him when I was 23, then my life would have turned out much differently than it has. I certainly still have problems, but I would have been in darkness with very little hope without Jesus. There are many out there who once lived a homosexual lifestyle but then committed to Christ and overcame that. I know some of them.

At any rate, the point was that Matthew Grech should be free to express his life experiences on radio in Malta or anywhere else. Others are then free to express publicly their agreement or disagreement with him in an open exchange of ideas. There is no acceptable reason for him to be jailed for doing so. It's woke culture on steroids.

I am still in the DeSantis camp . However Vivek Ramaswarmy has announced his candidacy and I find his message appealing . He has has authored 2 books related to the discussions on this posting .
'Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam' and 'Nation of Victims: Identity Politics, the Death of Merit, and the Path Back to Excellence' .


Summary from his article in the WSJ

It may seem presumptuous for a 37-year-old political outsider to pursue the highest office in the land, but I am running on a vision for our nation—one that revives merit in every sphere of American life.

We must restore merit for who gets to come to America. ....That means securing the border unapologetically and eliminating lottery-based immigration in favor of meritocratic admission.

We must embrace merit in who gets to succeed in America. The Supreme Court appears poised to overturn racial preferences in college admissions. As president I will eliminate affirmative action across the American economy.

We must revive merit in who gets to govern in America. Democracy depends on a simple principle: The people we elect to run the government must be the people who actually run the government. The next time unelected bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci or Merrick Garland reach beyond their legal scope, I commit to doing what the president is constitutionally empowered to do: fire them. I will repeal civil-service protections for federal employees, by executive order if necessary, and replace these managerial protections with sunset clauses. If the president can’t hold his position for more than eight years, neither should most bureaucrats.

We must restore merit in determining which ideas win in America. The best ideas are born when no ideas are censored. Yet our government pressures technology companies to censor disfavored political speech and gives them special protections to carry it out.

Viewpoint censorship extends beyond the internet and pervades our economy. If you can’t fire someone for being black, gay or Muslim, you shouldn’t be able to fire someone for his political speech. I will work with Congress to enshrine political expression as an American civil right, and I will enforce existing civil-rights laws to protect workers from invidious viewpoint discrimination.


He says China is the real threat ;not Russia. Unlike the Soviet Union in 1980, China today powers the modern American way of life. We must declare economic independence.

He wants America to become semi-conductor self sufficient . He wants America to become energy self sufficient and . He wants to reject the demands of a new climate religion that shackles the U.S. and leaves China untouched.
He wants to hold China accountable to for covid. He wants to restrict and /or ban trade with China until they end technology theft and other mercantile predatory practices.

Why I’m Running for President - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-im-running-for-president-c4a8ea7?mod=opinion_lead_pos5)

Support Vivek Ramaswarmy!! Seriously, I do like his ideas. Maybe DeSantis can hire him in a couple of years.

Candidates have come out of nowhere before .No one knew about Jimmy Carter until he started shaking hands with people in New Hampshire . Then there was another businessman turned politician .

Too early to tell . Currently in the DeSantis camp. My favorite beat reporter did an article about him last week . Blue collar roots ;excelled at Yale and Harvard Law school . Joined the Navy out of college . As Guv he delivers .

I like the cut of his jib .

“Too much power has accumulated in DC and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,”

Ron DeSantis takes The Post on tour of his Florida hometown (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/02/18/ron-desantis-takes-the-post-on-tour-of-his-florida-hometown/)

It's true that candidates have come "out of nowhere", but it's not to say they were unknown. Carter was a Georgia gov. Trump had been known for twenty years from television and business. Vivek Ramaswarmy? That would be a new definition of "nowhere".

Yeah he may be the ultimate outsider .$ 6 billion + net worth .He can get the name recognition soon enough (if people can spell and pronounce his name .)


The New American Dream - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6EcHeBt8U)

Maybe because he isn't a pol ,he can speak hard truths . Whether the nation listens is another story .

Maybe because he isn't a pol ,he can speak hard truths . Whether the nation listens is another story .Very true in both regards. It was certainly true with Trump. Enough listened to get him elected at any rate.

That's just the usual pitiful appeal, "I can't find it, so please do my work for me." No thanks. Do your own work.
I did. I'm a career librarian but you always spit on the links I post. I found several valid, scientific ones and know that, with your sharp mind and inquisitive nature, you'd find them too -- all by yourself!!!

Jesus changes hearts but He doesn't change who we are biologically.

know that, with your sharp mind and inquisitive nature, you'd find them too -- all by yourself!!!Just be aware that I'm not going to accept that childish nonsense. If you have something, then post it. Otherwise, please stop this silliness of wanting me to do what you evidently cannot do.


I found several valid, scientific onesI don't think you have found any links to begin with, but I'm also convinced that your grasp of science is not sufficient to allow you make a judgment about a link that is scientifically "valid". I don't intend that to be mean, but just base it on past experience. But I invite you to show me that my opinion is not correct.


who we are biologically.Except that, again, there is no evidence for that. None, or at least none that I've ever seen.


you always spit on the links I postI actually thanked you for your quote from yesterday. It was very useful.

Here's one to chew on:
Evidence for Neurohormonal Etiology

A neurohormonal etiology of homosexuality is based on the reasoning that homosexuality (and sexual orientation in general) depends on the early sexual differentiation of hypothalamic brain structures. The differentiation of these brain structures depends on prenatal androgen action.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/homosexuality#:~:text=A%20neurohormonal%20etiology %20of%20homosexuality%20is%20based%20on,these%20br ain%20structures%20depends%20on%20prenatal%20andro gen%20action.

Here's another:
The hunt for ‘gay genes’The new finding is consistent with multiple earlier studies of twins that indicated same-sex attraction is a heritable trait.
https://images.theconversation.com/files/290580/original/file-20190902-175663-baya3w.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=237&fit=clip
A new study suggests that genes are responsible for between 8% and 25% of same-sex preference. Guru 3D (https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/dna-multi-color-isolated-on-white-717211195?src=-1-47)The 2019 study is the latest in a hunt for “gay genes” that began in 1993, when Dean Hamer linked male homosexuality to a section of the X chromosome (https://doi.org/10.1126/science.8332896). As the ease and affordability of genome sequencing increased, additional gene candidates have emerged with potential links to homosexual behavior. So-called genome-wide association studies identified a gene called SLITRK6 (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-017-15736-4), which is active in a brain region called the diencephalon that differs in size between people who are homosexual or heterosexual.
https://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764

A neurohormonal etiology of homosexuality is based on the reasoning that homosexuality (and sexual orientation in general) depends on the early sexual differentiation of hypothalamic brain structures.The first study fails when they assume the answer before beginning. They do this by basing the study on an unproven hypothesis, that sexual orientation, "depends on the early sexual differentiation of hypothalamic brain structures." Rather than proving that to be true, they simply assume it is true.

And then as the article progresses, the one glaring omission is any evidence that this statement is true. " Therefore, homosexual men and heterosexual women have neural sexual orientation centers that are similar to each other and different from those of heterosexual men and homosexual women." It seems to be simply an assumption made by the author to back up his approach.



A new study suggests that genes are responsible for between 8% and 25% of same-sex preference. Are we really supposed to have confidence in a statement like this? First of all, the range is quite wide. Even worse, the study only "suggests" that range to begin with. But let's suppose that it's 10%. Then that means that the other 90% is non-genetic, in other words environmental. So that would not agree at all with your statement about, "who we are biologically." So your own article has worked against you, has it not?

Now I am not "spitting on" your articles; I am questioning them. It is up to your now to respond academically.

Get to know people in the LGBTQ+ community. Talk with them honestly. Become friends with some of them.

Those two links are your opportunities to do further research. Now you have new terminology and reasoning you aren't familiar with. And you want to DISCUSS?! We've been down that very bumpy road in the recent past.

Get to know people in the LGBTQ+ community. Talk with them honestly. Become friends with some of themToo late. I've already done that.

This was part of your article. It sure works against your idea that sexual orientation is purely a biological construct.
There is no reliable way to predict an individual's sexual orientation. Identical twins (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/monozygotic-twins) (even twins raised in separate families) show a higher concordance rate for sexual orientation than would be expected by chance alone, but nowhere near 100%, as would be expected if genetics were the sole determinant. Attempts to correlate brain imaging (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/brain-imaging) or levels of androgens and estrogens with sexual orientation have thus far been inconsistent at best. Although it is well established that parents tend to treat boys and girls differently, there is no evidence that parental behavior alters the developmental trajectory towards a particular sexual orientation.

Now to be clear, I have no doubt that same-sex attraction is not merely a choice. I don't think it has a biological link, or at least not a predominant one, but there plainly seems to be a cause of some sort. I'm with you on that, but I'm not with you in suggesting that there is nothing to be done for it or in believing that we should regard it as normal.

What's normal? Even the plant (https://www.sdlgbtn.com/can-plants-be-gay-the-evidence-suggests-they-might-be/)
and animal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)
kingdoms aren't "normal".

So nothing is abnormal? Sex with children? Sex with animals? Rape?

I think there are a lot of behaviors that are "normal". Eating, for instance, is normal. Drinking is normal. Self-preservation is normal. And yes, men and women having sex is normal.

And are you REALLY putting this forward as an argument that same-sex attraction is normal??? OK, I'll admit to spitting on this. It's just sillliness.


Although the concept of plants being gay may seem far-fetched, there is actually some evidence to suggest that plants may indeed have homosexual tendencies. For example, certain species of plants have been found to produce more flowers when they are growing near other members of the same species, regardless of whether those plants are male or female.

Some scientists believe that this may be an evolutionary strategy on the part of the plants, as it ensures that a greater number of their pollen grains will come into contact with other members of their species (and thus increase the chances of reproduction). However, others have suggested that this behaviour may simply be a result of the plants’ attraction to members of their own species, regardless of gender.

Note the uncertain modifiers I underlined. Those words are used to indicate that there is absolutely no certainty in what is being said. In other words, it is conjecture.

Sex with children, with animals??? Boy, did you misread! No more links posted for your perusal!

Read something last night that intrigued me. There was a book published several decades ago titled Evidence Which Demands a Verdict. The author suggested that the opposite has now become vogue. "A Verdict Which Demands Evidence".


Sex with children, with animals??? Boy, did you misread! No more links posted for your perusal!Please think more accurately. MUCH more accurately. My comment (So nothing is abnormal?) did not come from your links.

What's wrong with being gay or lesbian? Or fat or ugly? (as per Roald Dahl books in Post #1)

Being fat is, at the very least, physically an indicator of poor self-control and poor health. Being ugly is not wrong in any way. Many "ugly" people are beautiful in God's sight. Same-gender sex is spoken of as a moral wrong in many places in the Bible.

I have no intention of rehashing, for the umpteenth time, the morality of same-gender sex. It has been talked to death here. Suffice it to say that when the Bible speaks of it, it is ALWAYS in the negative and NEVER in the positive. And marriage is ALWAYS between a man and a woman, and NEVER between two people of the same gender.

The point with Dahl's books is that while people are free to simply not purchase or read them, they cross the line when they change the text to meet some supposed moral standard they profess.

Not true. Plus the word word “homosexual” was accidentally inserted into the Bible back in 1946.

God doesn't forbid honest and giving love between two adults, no matter their gender.

Same with the Bible as with Dahl's books, "[people] cross the line when they change the text to meet some supposed moral standard they profess."

Not true. Plus the word word “homosexual” was accidentally inserted into the Bible back in 1946.A completely absurd allegation for which you, as usual, have not one shred of documentation other than, in all likelihood, a ridiculous movie that claims it is so. It is a farce. "Accidentally inserted"??? It's lunacy. And I should add that the NIV translates the word as, "men who have sex with men," though they doubtless did so accidentally. The word accidentally used prior to 46 was "sodomites", and that helps your cause none at all.


God doesn't forbid honest and giving love between two adults, no matter their gender.
I completely agree with that, but he does forbid sex outside of marriage between a man and woman.

Look it up, buddy! You're wrong about the translation. The word was used in 1946 in lieu of the Greek words “malakoi” and “arsenokoitai,” which actually translate to “effeminate” and “sexual pervert” — not “homosexual.”

God forbids sex outside of marriage. Period. He doesn't tell us who we can love.

Look it up, buddy!God forbids sex outside of marriage? Well, Jesus described marriage as between a man and a woman. Thank you for that concession.


Look it up, buddy!I did so as I have done several times before. I doubt it will have much impact, but we'll see. So as to looking it up, how's this?

1. Here are all of the major English translations of 1 Cor. 6:9. Note the overwhelming trend of translating arsenokoitai as "homosexual" or words that mean homosexual.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Corinthians%206:9
2. Arsenokoitai clearly means homosexual. It comes from two Greek words which mean "men" and "bed". The meaning is clear.
https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/
3. The movie you are banking on describes an absurd fantasy where several dozen very serious, very highly-educated scholars look at a key word in the Greek NT and "accidentally" render it as homosexual. Then a grad student writes them to let them know of said mistake, but the letter arrives too late to make the change. It's a ridiculous story that is embarrassing to see you actually believe.
4. Strong's online concordance renders it as, " a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity; a sodomite, pederast."
https://biblehub.com/greek/733.htm
5. There is, in all the Bible, not a single positive comment made regarding same-gender sex. It is described as outside the will of God on every occasion.
6. I don't believe malakoi is ever translated "homosexual". Not sure why you would mention that.
7. Even a cursory examination of male and female sex organs makes it clear that men and women are intended to be together and not male/male.

Now I'm not doing this for WG. Her mind is made up with no regard for evidence and no amount of information will change it. Perhaps others will see this and gain some knowledge.

I'm done with this. I should never have started it for the 27th (or whatever) time. The practice of making up the mind and then looking for evidence has led WG to this place.

I'll call in dwashbur for help in understanding the Greek.

Back to the topic, perhaps there is still some hope.


European publishers said they will not make changes to Roald Dahl's (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roald-dahl-childrens-books-rewritten-delete-references-fat-characters-add-inclusive-gender-terms)books, arguing that his stories will "lose all their power" after a U.K. publishing company revealed it had rewritten some of the late author's work to remove potentially offensive language.
Puffin Books, which published Dahl's classic works, hired sensitivity readers to update portions of the author's wording in the U.K. editions to ensure the books "can continue to be enjoyed by all today." The edits include new gender-neutral language and altered descriptions of certain physical appearances (https://www.foxnews.com/media/targeted-author-salman-rushdie-outraged-changes-roald-dahl-books-absurd-censorship) and were reportedly approved by Dahl's estate.
In one example, the word "fat" has been replaced with "enormous" in reference to Augustus Gloop, the chubby character featured in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
European publishers refuse to change Roald Dahl's works: 'His humor is second to none' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/european-publishers-refuse-change-roald-dahls-works-humor-second-none)

Here's the problem . Dahl's estate was sold to Netflix in 2021. When I was a subscriber they had some excellent content . But Netflix pushed the political correctness agenda . I believe this coincided with them adding advertisements into their format (for a fee you can have ad free content now) .

But the Jacobins eventually feast on their own. Netflix had (from what I hear ) a well made Adam's Family spinoff about the daughter Wednesday directed by Tim Burton . It lasted 1 season before it was cancelled .

What was the problem ? The accusation made by the woke mob was that it was racist . The main antagonist portrayed by black actress Joy Sunday is a mean girl .AND the Black mayor owns a museums that celebrates Pilgrims (oh the horror ! ) .

How far they take the plunge is unclear . I don't believe we will be seeing any more Dave Chappelle specials on the network. But who knows ? Their plunge in subscriptions last year may have been caused by their woke agenda.

For balance ;Earnest Owens at Rolling Stone says that cancel culture is good for democracy.

Why Cancel Culture Is Good for Democracy – Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/opinion-cancel-culture-is-good-for-democracy-1234681224/)

He says it allows the marginalized to hold the powerful accountable . I liken it more to an uncontrolled mob with pitchforks and a guillotine at the ready.

And then the question comes, to hold them responsible for what? For using some words that I don't like?

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/02/918/516/cartoon-022323.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

For balance ;Earnest Owens at Rolling Stone says that cancel culture is good for democracy.

Why Cancel Culture Is Good for Democracy – Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/opinion-cancel-culture-is-good-for-democracy-1234681224/)

Excellent link, tomder - one of the best ever! Thanks.

A superb example of critical thinking. Everybody should read that link.

as I said


I liken it more to an uncontrolled mob with pitchforks and a guillotine at the ready.

Owens says cancel culture "has leveled the playing field for those who can’t always rely on the government to protect them" and "Cancel culture is the poison to those in power that have benefited from unchecked free speech."

Cancel culture is a poison alright . But one thing we have learned this year is that it is very much a tool of the government .It is a clear threat to free speech and the government has used various media platforms to make sure speech the government doesn't approve of is systemically suppressed .

The reasons used by one group to justify their speech/thought control over another group seem to be endless.

Gotta love U-Turns, or has common sense won through....
https://news.sky.com/story/roald-dahl-classic-texts-to-be-kept-in-print-after-outrage-over-changes-to-authors-books-12818769
Roald Dahl classic texts to be kept in print after outrage over changes to books

one thing we have learned this year is that it is very much a tool of the government .It is a clear threat to free speech

Nonsense. It encourages accurate speech. Like anything, some will abuse the idea.

I think it's a good thing to understand that the man who wrote "All men are created equal" owned human beings and raped one of them since she was an article of property belonging to Thomas Jefferson.

"Accurate speech"? Liberal code for, "You will speak as we dictate." The concept is "FREE speech". That means we don't have to please liberal speech police.

"...raped one of them since she was an article of property belonging to Thomas Jefferson." Funny comment coming from someone who just advocated for "accurate speech". That is far, far from being a proven truth.

"Accurate speech"? Liberal code for, "You will speak as we dictate." The concept is "FREE speech". That means we don't have to please liberal speech police.
And liberals don't have to please conservative speech police. Oh my! Now what???

And liberals don't have to please conservative speech police. Oh my! Now what???You have an example of this? I doubt it, but even if you do, I will agree that speech in general should be non-policed by government agencies, be they liberal or conservative, or by self-appointed experts in the general population. Will you agree with that?

I think it's a good thing to understand that the man who wrote "All men are created equal" owned human beings and raped one of them since she was an article of property belonging to Thomas Jefferson.







if that is all you know about Jefferson then you are being taught a biased and unfair history . I have plenty of issues with Jefferson .I happen to think that it was lucky for the nation that he was away on assignment in Paris during the Constitutional Convention . But I think he was one of the greatest men in our history , He is essentially cancelled even in his home .

If you have studied the tremendous contributions of the extraordinary Thomas Jefferson, you may not recognize the person depicted at his home at Monticello. You will learn almost nothing of the wisdom, patriotism, and Herculean efforts he made to build America. Instead, you will hear and see only information about enslaved people. While this is important, the noble man is completely lost. Hopefully in the years to come, Monticello will balance the present narrative. While all of the people working as guides are TREMENDOUS, the emphasis has become off balance.in their effort to balance history . one reviewer of the experience wrote ;

“The tour guides play ‘besmirchment derby,’ never missing a chance to defame this brilliant, complex man,”

NYC removed his statue from City Council

What cancel culture has become is the Taliban destroying the Budda statues of Bamyan . They are not balancing history .They are erasing it .

You have an example of this? I doubt it, but even if you do, I will agree that speech in general should be non-policed by government agencies, be they liberal or conservative, or by self-appointed experts in the general population. Will you agree with that?
Definitely agree!




Athos: I think it's a good thing to understand that the man who wrote "All men are created equal" owned human beings and raped one of them since she was an article of property belonging to Thomas Jefferson.





if that is all you know about Jefferson then you are being taught a biased and unfair history .
Did he own human beings and rape one or more of them?

He had many slaves.

Rape ? ...undetermined ...it is a matter of historical debate at best .

There was a lot of slander about him during the very contentious 1800 election. Much of the charge comes from that election .

There is no evidence ;including DNA that proves Sally Heming gave birth to his child.

Jefferson Was Falsely Accused — Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society (tjheritage.org) (https://www.tjheritage.org/jefferson-was-falsely-accused)

As far as I can tell ;the accusation is an accumulation of salacious rumors and irresponsible scholarship ,inspired by political grudges, academic opportunism, and the woke trend of historical revisionism that seeks to drag the reputation of the Founding Fathers through the mud.

Did he own human beings and rape one or more of them?The "accurate speech" police will be coming after you.

The "accurate speech" police will be coming after you.
I put on my librarian hat and spent some time researching this. Rape is probably the wrong word. But Jefferson very likely fathered all her children.

likely ? again rumor and innuendo without any proof.

As for the slave trade in post colonial America ;it was the creating of the nation that compelled the end of the trade in a generation of the nation's founding as I explained previously


Half the new states began the process immediately after the revolution.1777, Vermont's constitution outlawed it . Massachusetts and New Hampshire also outlawed slavery 6 year later. Pennsylvania passed a law outlining a process of gradual emancipation in 1780.New York and New Jersey, where slavery was more prevalent, pass gradual emancipation laws 1799 and 1804. Before the Republic was founded; the Northwest Ordinance in 1787, which organized new territory west of the Appalachian Mountains and north of the Ohio River, prohibited slaveholders from bring slaves into the territory . The dominance that the slave holding states in the south had at the beginning of the Republic gradually weakened. .Emancipation was inevitable . The trans-Atlantic slave trade was abolished by the Constitution in 1808 .
The flaw in all this revisionism is that 21st century values are attributed to people of the 17th and 18th century. The founding of America propelled the changes .

Quid declares war on American parents (askmehelpdesk.com) (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=848482&p=3877119#post3877119)

Rape is probably the wrong word. But Jefferson very likely fathered all her children.Change "very likely" to "possibly" and we have a deal. Tom's "accurate speech" concerning Jefferson's legacy is worth reading.

https://bcdbimages.s3.amazonaws.com/other/Peabody_logo.jpg

likely ? again rumor and innuendo without any proof.
She was a "house slave." Jefferson was the master and the only male in the house. Think about that. How did she get pregnant six times?

Wikipedia states: Multiple lines of evidence, including modern DNA (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA) analyses, indicate that Jefferson impregnated Hemings over the span of many years, and historians now broadly agree that he was the father of her six children.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hemings#cite_note-stockman-2)
[2] Stockman, Farah (June 16, 2018). "Monticello Is Done Avoiding Jefferson's Relationship With Sally Hemings" (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/sally-hemings-exhibit-monticello.html). The New York Times (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times). Retrieved July 15,2018.

How did she get pregnant six times?That it is possible is definite. That it is definite is highly questionable. But one way or the other, it seems unlikely she was raped, and just because she got pregnant six times means nothing. Did he impregnate all of the other slave women who became pregnant as well?

I think we can all agree that slavery is terrible. Still, Bill Clinton was a repeated womanizer, but no one seems to think it necessary to mention it at every possible moment. Perhaps it would be good to have a balanced approach.

She was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and approximately three-quarters white.

The author of the Nature Magazine's 1988 study on Jefferson's possible paternity was pathologist Eugene Foster . He admitted that other Jefferson family members could've been father . Jefferson's son Randolf and uncles were known to have had relations with slaves .

Asked why they didn't mention Randolph or his sons in their previous article, also published in Nature, Foster says it was because they weren't suspects. For years, members of the Jefferson family had claimed that sons of Thomas Jefferson's sister--Peter or Samuel Carr--had most likely fathered Hemings's children. The DNA study aimed to settle that question, Foster says. He agrees that the Nature headlines on the initial report and on an accompanying comment by geneticist Eric Lander of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and historian Joseph Ellis of Mount Holyoke College in South Hadley were "misleading," but both articles were hurried into print, he says, to beat the popular media, which had learned about their results and were poised to publish.Thomas Jefferson Off the Hook? | Science | AAAS (https://www.science.org/content/article/thomas-jefferson-hook)

I take nothing out of Monticello as serious. They have sold out Jefferson's legacy to the woke mob.

I take nothing out of Monticello as serious. They have sold out Jefferson's legacy to the woke mob.

The Thomas Jefferson Foundation states that the evidence for Jefferson fathering Sally Hemmings' children is conclusive.

Read why here:
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-a-brief-account/monticello-affirms-thomas-jefferson-fathered-children-with-sally-hemings/

Naturally, like all good Republicans when faced with testimony against whatever it is they're proposing, they simply denounce it as a pack of lies.

It seems that the primary order of business has become the defaming of the founding fathers in an effort to undermine the Constitution by belittling its authors. Not exactly a good example of "accurate speech".

It's hard to imagine TJ fathering six children with this woman. The risk of public censure would seem to have been great. Maybe 18th century colonials just winked at such behavior, but that still seems pretty extreme.

Rape is probably the wrong word. But Jefferson very likely fathered all her children.

When the slave Master approaches his slave with sexual advances, and the slave has no power to refuse those advances, I call it rape. If others (not you, WG) wish to call it a romantic love story, that is their privilege.

https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-a-brief-account/monticello-affirms-thomas-jefferson-fathered-children-with-sally-hemings/


What cancel culture has become is the Taliban destroying the Budda statues of Bamyan .

The Taliban removed the Buddha statues because of their religious bigotry.

The Jefferson controversy is based on his FACTUAL ownership of human beings as slaves.

Hardly the same thing.

If others (not you, WG) wish to call it a romantic love story, that is their privilege.Except, of course, that no one here has posted that. As I understand it, this arrangement was supposedly put together while TJ and SH were in France where she was, for that time, free due to the fact that France did not allow slavery. She could have chosen to stay, but instead came back to Virginia with the condition that any children she bore would be set free. Or at least that is what has been alleged by some parties. That he even fathered children by her is far from proven. Perhaps someone else knows the details better.


not you, WG"No liberal shalt at any time be critical of another liberal."

That was the lifestyle back then centuries ago -- the plantation master was the master. Full stop. Everyone -- his wife, his children, his slaves -- bent to his wishes.

Wikipedia: In the fall of 2001, the National Genealogical Society (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Genealogical_Society) published a special issue of its quarterly devoted to the Jefferson–Hemings controversy. In several articles, its specialists concluded that, as the genealogist Helen M. Leary wrote, the "chain of evidence": historical, genealogical, and DNA, supported the conclusion that Thomas Jefferson was the father of all of Hemings' children.[69] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy#cite_note-Leary-70)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson–Hemings_controversy

That was the lifestyle back then centuries ago -- the plantation master was the master. Full stop. Everyone -- his wife, his children, his slaves -- bent to his wishes.Which does not even come close to proving that TJ fathered children with SH.


the "chain of evidence": historical, genealogical, and DNA, supported the conclusionNote the use of "supported", indicating that the evidence falls short of "proved" or "demonstrated". So again, it is possible but not certain.

So again, it is possible but not certain.
We'll find out once we're in Heaven.

I already did my commentary on the woke TJ Foundation The Foundation has turned Monticello into a single issue horror of slavery exhibit . .A tour of his home is a revisionist history that smears one of the great inventors, thinkers, architects, and statesmen of all time . It is an exercise in cancel pure and simple . The story can be told and still respect Jefferson's contributions to the country and to Western culture Enlightenment .


Yes the American cancel culture is EXACTLY like the Taliban that has waged war on Afghanistan's poetry, film, music, art, artifacts, antiquities, statues, museums, history . If unchecked the Afghan culture pre-Taliban will have successfully been erased from memory in a generation .

Yes all the children will be taught Jefferson was a slave holder while the fact that he eliminated the transatlantic slave trade to the United States; that he was instrumental in the creation of a free Midwest that led to a weakening of the slave states ...doubled the size of the nation with free states ;and led directly to a Civil War that freed the slaves a generation later . That abolitionist movements took shape after he penned 'all men are created equal' will be erased and the only thing the kids will retain is that he had slaves .

'all men are created equal' will be erased and the only thing the kids will retain is that he had slaves .

Comparing the Taliban to your "woke/cancel" nonsense is ridiculous. No one has argued that Jefferson's accomplishments should be erased - no one beside you, that is.

Bringing our history up to date with truths that have been ignored for centuries is a good thing. You don't like it because it disturbs your jaundiced and false view of a USA that never existed. Time to grow up and acknowledge the evil committed along the way to the present day. That does NOT mean ignoring the good, even tho that seems to be what you want. I wonder why.

I'm not the one toppling statues .

I'm not the one toppling statues .Great reply.

Could add that when the story of Jefferson becomes centered around his owning slaves, then it basically amounts to an erasing, or at least diluting of, Jefferson's accomplishments.

I'm not the one toppling statues .

Neither is anybody else.


Could add that when the story of Jefferson becomes centered around his owning slaves, then it basically amounts to an erasing, or at least diluting of, Jefferson's accomplishments.

Of course it dilutes Jefferson's accomplishments. Why wouldn't owning slaves do that? Did you expect it to improve his reputation?

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3889714#post3889714)
I'm not the one toppling statues .



Neither is anybody else.

From city hall to woke cancel culture mobsters ,to school districts to colleges, to the Jefferson Foundation and home in Monticello ,Jefferson's being cancelled


A Thomas Jefferson statue is removed from New York City Hall after 187 years | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed/index.html#:~:text=A%20statue%20of%20Thomas%20Jeff erson,City%20Hall%20after%20187%20years&text=After%20187%20years%2C%20a%20statue,in%20New% 20York%20City%20Hall.&text=The%20statue%2C%20which%20is%20a,removed%20fr om%20its%20pedestal%20Monday.)

Portland Protesters Topple Thomas Jefferson Statue at Jefferson High School (wweek.com) (https://www.wweek.com/news/schools/2020/06/15/portland-protesters-topple-thomas-jefferson-statue-at-jefferson-high-school/#:~:text=Protesters%20have%20torn%20down%20the,pol ice%20killings%20of%20black%20Americans.)

Thomas Jefferson removed from elementary school's name because he owned slaves | WCIV (abcnews4.com) (https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/thomas-jefferson-removed-from-elementary-schools-name-because-he-owned-slaves-maplewood-new-jersey-winne-delia-bolden-south-orange-change-slavery-president-enslaver#:~:text=Thomas%20Jefferson%20removed%20fr om%20elementary%20school%27s%20name%20because%20he %20owned%20slaves,-by%20ZACHARY%20ROGERS&text=MAPLEWOOD%2C%20N.J.%20(TND)%20%E2%80%94,Jeffe rson%20was%20a%20slave%20owner.)

UVA students want Jefferson ;who founded the college in 1819 ,cancelled from the University.

"Our physical environment — from statues to building names to Jefferson’s overwhelming presence — exalts people who held the same beliefs as the repugnant white supremacists"

EDITORIAL: To create “citizen leaders,” U.Va. must do more - The Cavalier Daily - University of Virginia's Student Newspaper (https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/08/editorial-to-create-citizen-leaders-u-va-must-do-more)

“The tour guides play ‘besmirchment derby,’ never missing a chance to defame this brilliant, complex man,”
Monticello draws criticism after trashing Thomas Jefferson (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/monticello-draws-criticism-after-trashing-thomas-jefferson/)

From city hall to woke cancel culture mobsters ,to school districts to colleges, to the Jefferson Foundation and home in Monticello ,Jefferson's being cancelled

Taliban and Buddha - Jefferson. Apples and oranges.

Then they came for Ian Flemming

Ian Fleming’s James Bond books rewritten to remove ‘offensive’ references | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/james-bond-ian-fleming-books-rewritten-b2289747.html)

Is the New Testament next?

maybe but they do want to eliminate journalistic objectivity . Here is an op-ed by Leonard Downie Jr., the former executive editor of The Washington Compost

But increasingly, reporters, editors and media critics argue that the concept of journalistic objectivity is a distortion of reality. They point out that the standard was dictated over decades by male editors in predominantly White newsrooms and reinforced their own view of the world. They believe that pursuing objectivity can lead to false balance or misleading “bothsidesism” in covering stories about race, the treatment of women, LGBTQ+ rights, income inequality, climate change and many other subjects. And, in today’s diversifying newsrooms, they feel it negates many of their own identities, life experiences and cultural contexts, keeping them from pursuing truth in their work.


Opinion | Newsrooms that move beyond ‘objectivity’ can build trust - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/newsrooms-news-reporting-objectivity-diversity/)

The way to seek truth is to cancel objectivity .

Evidently his colleagues in the compliant press agree.

To better understand the changes happening now, I and former CBS News president Andrew Heyward, a colleague at Arizona State University’s Walter Cronkite School of Journalism, investigated the values and practices in mainstream newsrooms today, with a grant from (https://cronkite.asu.edu/news/2022/cronkite-school-receives-grant-to-research-and-disseminate-principles-for-fair-and-fact-based-journalism-in-todays-newsrooms/) the Stanton Foundation. What we found (https://cronkitenewslab.com/digital/2023/01/26/beyond-objectivity) has convinced us that truth-seeking news media must move beyond whatever “objectivity” once meant to produce more trustworthy news. We interviewed more than 75 news leaders, journalists and other experts in mainstream print, broadcast and digital news media, many of whom also advocate such a change. This appears to be the beginning of another generational shift in American journalism.


Now the charge the left makes is that Fox news is not objective in it' s coverage. So Downey Jr should have no problem with their approach.

media must move beyond whatever “objectivity” once meant to produce more trustworthy news. Evidently the writer has no idea what an outrageously contradictory statement that is. You cannot become more "trustworthy" by becoming less objective. It's on the level of claiming I am going to become smarter by becoming less intelligent.

Evidently the writer has no idea what an outrageously contradictory statement that is. You cannot become more "trustworthy" by becoming less objective. It's on the level of claiming I am going to become smarter by becoming less intelligent.
He is talking about journalistic "objectivity", not true objectivity.

like in the days when Walter Lippman called for objectivity in response to the partisan and yellow journalism of his day . My own opinion is that there never was such a thing as journalistic objectivity in the so called main stream media ,truth guardians ,of the Slimes and Compost .

"Objectivity in journalism aims to help the audience make up their own mind about a story, providing the facts alone and then letting audiences interpret those on their own. To maintain objectivity in journalism, journalists should present the facts whether or not they like or agree with those facts."

Yeah, it's just plain ole objectivity. They want to displace one corrupt sense of objective journalism with another corrupt sense of objective journalism. We would be better off with reporters who just report the facts.

Journalism 101:
Who, what, when, why, where, and how. ("Why" is the subjective one, but all of the others that should be objective can be twisted to be subjective too.)

yeah but when the gatekeepers decide that their mission is to save the world despite itself then objective truth is inconvenient.

That is exactly where we are. Too many in journalism view it as practically a religious calling as opposed to a profession.

More from a guy who seems to have good sense.


VIVEK RAMASWAMY: … I mean, you think about actually handing $40 billion-plus to Ukraine with one hand at the same time that Biden was lobbying actually the EU from its Russian oil import ban. The reason is because we've shot our own fossil fuel industry in the foot, and it is because of this climate religion (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6321819607112), but the dirty little secret, Maria [Bartiromo], that not a lot of people know is the climate religion actually has nothing to do with the climate. It is all about power, control, dominion and apologizing for America's own success. And the reason why is that this religion looks the other way when PetroChina picks up the projects that American companies drop. Last time I checked, it was global climate change, and also it's hostile to nuclear energy, which is truly bizarre because that's the best form of carbon-free energy production known to mankind. The problem for them is that nuclear energy might be too good at solving their alleged problem.
HOUSE DEMOCRATS' OWN WITNESS BLASTED BIDEN'S CLIMATE BILL FOR PERMITTING 'CLIMATE APOCALYPSE' (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-own-witness-blasted-bidens-climate-bill-permitting-climate-apocalypse)
… What they really want to do is punish America and establish this agenda of global equity, which also allows China to catch up to us (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-unleashes-massive-coal-power-expansion-despite-john-kerrys-climate-pleas), and I think it's important we have a president who sees through that. Republicans dance around this issue a little bit too delicately. I say it expressly: we need to abandon climate religion in America. Yeah, that's the easiest step to unshackle our economy.

California is forcing Hollywierd to go even more woke.

Variety:

Under a proposal from the governor’s office, productions that fail to meet their diversity goals will lose 4% of their tax credit allocation. The provision is part of a five-year extension of the state’s $330 million tax credit. Productions that receive the credit will be required to submit a diversity “workplan,” under which they must commit to hire a crew that is “broadly reflective” of the state’s demographics

California Aims to Punish Productions That Don't Hit Diversity Goals - Variety (https://variety.com/2023/politics/news/california-film-tax-credit-diversity-requirement-1235540348/)

There's more


In recent years, The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) has made it a point to produce an annual Studio Responsibility Index which grades the top eight major Hollywood studios based on the quantity, quality, and diversity of the LGBTQ representation in their films. In the organizations 10th annual report, all seven major film studios failed to receive a passing grade based on the ever-evolving standards ..

diversity goalsPreviously known as "quotas", but that word does not appeal to the public, so now it becomes, "a diversity “workplan,” under which they must commit to hire a crew that is “broadly reflective” of the state’s demographics."

Vivek Ramaswamy interview with Jordan Petterson ..... worth the time to watch the whole interview .

Jordan Peterson Interviews Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy | EP 341 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX9B5tnj-xI&t=2s)

I'm about halfway through it. VR is a smart guy. I don't see him being a serious candidate since he thinks on a level that most people, it seems to me, don't want to have to trouble themselves to understand, but he says some really good things. His comments about wokism, climatism, socialism, and so forth taking the place of God, national pride, hard work, high character, et al in giving our lives meaning struck me as being spot on.

Reagan hammered home his vision of what it means to be American for 20 years before he was elected . The biggest problem I see is that conservatives can recognize a very sh*tty lefty idea . So they rightly oppose it . But they fail when offering an alternate vision . (Trump tried but became bitter and ultimately failed )

VR's plan is not short term . Children have to be properly taught the American dream . Without that we are just a big country with no unifying premise . We will not succeed by being the party of no.

I think the repubs are stuck. The only solution involves drastic cuts in spending which will effect everything across the board. With the currently accepted approach of passing out goodies without having to raise revenues to fund them. a good dose of reality is not going to go well with the voters. It's why basically no one talks about deficit spending anymore.

Yes That is why he speaks of a long term sea change . He says "There’s a deeper national identity crisis where we lost our sense of who we are as a people, lost our sense of who we are as individuals, and back when we used to believe in God, have faith in God, believe in a country, when we used to believe in our family as a source of identity, when you used to believe in hard work as a sense of our identity. When those things disappear, that’s when we start to look for new forms of identity instead.”


That restoration will not happen in a couple of election cycles . But the process has to begin . When ? I think it will begin when the young feel the effects of the decisions being made on their behalf . When the government can no longer do the gimmies . When adults start to sue health care providers and parents who thought it was a good idea to mutilate them when they were minors . When the kids who are strapped with unsustainable debt and find that there is no relief in empty promises by the Dems rebel . The education process has to begin and I think it has with parents fighting back against woke education....with organizations like 'Turning Point USA ' and ' Blexit '(the 2 organizations are now merging )


As for the GOP goes .They can only survive if they reject crony capitalism with strings attached like central bureaucratic controls attached . The GOP cannot out Dem the Dems

Yes That is why he speaks of a long term sea change . He says "There’s a deeper national identity crisis where we lost our sense of who we are as a people, lost our sense of who we are as individuals, and back when we used to believe in God, have faith in God, believe in a country, when we used to believe in our family as a source of identity, when you used to believe in hard work as a sense of our identity. When those things disappear, that’s when we start to look for new forms of identity instead.”I played that very segment for my wife last night. I don't know that I've ever heard anyone else say that. Peterson's response was also spot on when he mentioned that we have replaced God, family, country, and work ethic with gender/race identity and other areas of far less value.

Your comments about the GOP surviving are correct. I would add that we must turn back to the responsibility of the individual to support him/herself rather than expecting the wealthy to do it.

we have replaced God, family, country, and work ethic with gender/race identity.
Republicans, please stop doing that! Very recent example is the Nashville shooter. She was heavily armed and killed others, but oh, she was trans. Huh???

What did the republicans have to do with that?

What did the republicans have to do with that?
They're the ones screaming the loudest...one more reason to ban books (not guns....).

Republicans have concluded (and they're not necessarily wrong) that they benefit from a climate of anxiety about and fear (of e.g., LGBTQ+ people, this time a T) and it's simply not in their interests to do anything except feed that noxious climate.

Many guns are banned. No has called for a ban on books, but on limiting the access of schoolchildren to porn.

Please read what I just now added to my previous post.

Access of schoolchildren to PORN??? Where? How? What porn?

Whose definition?

Limiting their access but not forbidding their access???

Access of schoolchildren to PORN??? Where? How? What porn?Books, for instance, that have graphic descriptions of grown men wanting boys to give them oral sex. Please tell me that you are not living such a sheltered life that you are unaware of these cases.


“Gender Queer,” an illustrated memoir, contains explicit illustrations of oral sex and masturbation. The novel “Lawn Boy” contains graphic descriptions of sex between men and children.

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-religion-arts-and-entertainment-virginia-school-boards-9eb21874bf1f8da6f27a0ea4e1f8a016



Limiting their access but not forbidding their access???Yes. It's precisely what is done with guns and with much in literature.

You've read those two books?

Read excerpts just as you can do on the web. I suspect you won't, but perhaps you will surprise me.

You know, at some point it would be nice to hear you say, "Well, we cannot have third graders reading material like that. We can agree on that much." Strangely, you never do. Your liberal orthodoxy evidently doesn't allow for that.

My dad would have handed me books like that and asked me to read them. After I finished, we'd sit down at the kitchen table with cookies and iced tea and have a wonderful discussion.

I will buy those two books today from Amazon.

So your dad encouraged you, as a pre-teen, to read books with graphic descriptions of men wanting to have sex with boys? Sorry, but don't believe that one. I feel very sure your dad had higher character than to expose his daughter to graphic descriptions of sex. I certainly hope so.

I will not be buying the books for two reasons. 1. I don't want any of my money to go to the sick authors of those books. 2. I do not expose my mind and my heart to pornographic material.

I bet you read the guileless Bible, don't you. And made/make children read it too.

And there are no graphic descriptions of sex in the Bible, and neither are there accounts of improper sexual behavior where the behavior is not presented as morally wrong. If you want to disagree with that, then be prepared to give specific instances rather than the generalized, "Oh yes it does!!!"

Do you really think Lawn Boy and the Bible are on the same level? Do you see a difference between reading an account in Lawn Boy of a man seeking sex with a boy versus reading the words of Christ in the Bible? I hope I have misread your meaning.

I can only imagine how I would feel if my daughter suggested I had read graphic porn to her in her formative years. What a way to treat your dad. Wow.

They're the ones screaming the loudest.

Yep. Here's one of those repubs at work. "AZ Gov. Hobbs' press secretary resigns after tweet suggesting gun violence against 'transphobes'."
No...wait. Sorry. That's a dem.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/az-gov-hobbs-press-secretary-resigns-after-tweet-suggesting-gun-violence-against-transphobes

You haven't read much of the Bible, have you.

And wow, do you misunderstand and then go for the jugular!

Just as I predicted.
And there are no graphic descriptions of sex in the Bible, and neither are there accounts of improper sexual behavior where the behavior is not presented as morally wrong. If you want to disagree with that, then be prepared to give specific instances rather than the generalized, "Oh yes it does!!!"In this case, the extraordinarily lame, "You haven't read much of the Bible, have you."

I misunderstood?
"My dad would have handed me books like that and asked me to read them. After I finished, we'd sit down at the kitchen table with cookies and iced tea and have a wonderful discussion."I can only imagine that "wonderful discussion". "Hey honey, what did you think about the graphic description of the two boys having sex?" Sorry, but I don't believe your dad ever went there with you.

And he taught me not to take people like you seriously.

hmm the intolerant left wants to censor classics fog what they claim is inappropriate language ;but champion gay kiddie porn in libraries . VR is right . The country has lost it's moral compass

It's just disappointing to see people on this site who refuse to take a stand against, as Tom well described it, "gay kiddie porn". It's perplexing when political and social ideology override what is best for children.

It is NOT gay kiddie porn.

Do you even have a library card and know how things work in a library???

I have not had a library card for years per se .I logged onto my account and checked out e books ..;. none of them were kiddiy gay porn. In Utah there were 280 parent complaints about porn books in the library . So I don't believe this is random. Prarents are taking the lead in Virginia where Fairfax County had reinstated the smut into the library system . In fact all around the country sane parents are taking back the education system from the deviant left .

Thus, your children and, later your grandchildren, knew nothing about porn, especially kiddie porn, while they were young. Even now, they avoid porn.

Thank you, Dad, for explaining it to me and why it's so important to people.

It is NOT gay kiddie porn.You haven't read either one of them and yet you think you know that? More ideology at work.


Thus, your children and, later your grandchildren, knew nothing about porn, especially kiddie porn, while they were young. Even now, they avoid porn.We also didn't expose them to heroin, dope, rape, and drunkenness. Go figure.

In our case, we did have library cards and went there frequently. In fact, you will be happy to know that we were chosen as the Library Family of the Year on one occasion. But our library was run by sane people, and we supervised what our kids read. There were no dancing drag queens and no kiddie porn books.

You haven't read either one of them and yet you know that. More ideology at work.
They're definitely not kiddie porn from what I've read so far.

We also didn't expose them to heroin, dope, rape, and drunkenness. Go figure.
And never talked about those things. How did they find out about them without parental guidance?

They're definitely not kiddie porn from what I've read so far.Like I said, you don't know that at all.


And never talked about those things. How did they find out about them without parental guidance?Of course we talked about them, but we did not allow them to EXPERIENCE it, unlike the made up story you told about your dad supposedly having you read porn books and then having a delightful conversation about it afterwards. I don't believe that for one second.

Read this, and then come back and tell us it's suitable for third graders. Craziness.

https://thespringmagazine.com/2022/01/28/lawn-boy-is-pedophilic-heres-why-explicit/

Of course we talked about them, but we did not allow them to EXPERIENCE it, unlike the made up story you told about your dad supposedly having you read porn books and then having a delightful conversation about it afterwards. I don't believe that for one second.
You have already twisted what I told you about me and my dad. Guess I'll hang out with Athos instead as we reconnect.

I "twisted" what you said? That kind of, shall we say "falsification" doesn't work as long as cut and paste still works. "My dad would have handed me books like that and asked me to read them. After I finished, we'd sit down at the kitchen table with cookies and iced tea and have a wonderful discussion."

As you can see, it is precisely the fairy-tale (I believe) you wrote. You have been caught yet again.

The iced tea and homemade cookies were really yummy! My dad had such a terrific way of explaining things.

I would suggest we return to having children read classic foundational books . You know .the ones that are being edited and cancelled at an alarming rate , The Wind in the Willows, Treasure Island, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and Aesop's fable .the 'Little House on the Prairie ' series, Beatrix Potter's 'Tale of Peter Rabbit ' are just some of the literature that are rarely being taught to our nation’s children today. Those books have better lessons than ;'Jacob's new dress', 'My Princess Boy' or 'Who are You The Kids Guide to Gender Identity ' .

Well said, Tom. It's sad where this woke crowd is taking our children. When we actually have people who defend books like Lawn Boy and contend it is a book that young children should be encouraged to read, then you know we're in trouble. I suppose the next big movement will be about books glorifying date rape.

We said during the gay marriage debate that the flood gates were opened .LGBTQR++XYZ was the next illogical step down the devolution rabbit hole . Marriage with minors .man-boy lovers ;polygamy are in the progression along with bestiality and human sacrifice (which we have been well on our way since 1973) . Apparently we already accept mutilation both surgically and chemically.

I could say it's the sacrifice of children on the altar of sexual pleasure, and yet it's more than that. It's an attempt to shake our finger in God's face and tell him that we will do things our own way rather than his. It's Eden all over again.

I could say it's the sacrifice of children on the altar of sexual pleasure,
...by heterosexuals.

...and homosexuals, trans, and so forth. But at least you agree it's going on. That's progress.

...and homosexuals, trans, and so forth. But at least you agree it's going on. That's progress.
Heterosexuals. The others are too busy with their own issues and responding to false info spread by heteros.

It is certainly heterosexuals who are engaged in the sacrifice of children with the process of abortion, but it's the LGBT bunch promoting these surgeries on ten year olds. And I know. You have an ideology that won't allow you to see it otherwise. Your brain is chainlocked. That's why you decided the two books were not porn before you even read through them.

it's the LGBT bunch promoting these surgeries on ten year olds.
No, not surgeries. Gender therapy, family and individual counseling.

I can only imagine what you consider porn, bwahahahahaha!!!

Of course they are promoting surgeries. To suggest otherwise is just lying. This is what is sad about you. You are more comfortable believing lies when five minutes would help you find the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html#:~:text=After%20many%20months%20of% 20deliberations%20over%20its%20new,gender%20treatm ents%20available%20to%20children%20at%20younger%20 ages.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-transgender-agenda-youth-sex-change-hormone-therapy

And you're too lazy to look up the excerpts I posted for you earlier. It's what I intensely dislike about "discussing" anything with you. It's too easy to be lazy and ignorant, preferring to post mindless drivel such as, "I can only imagine what you consider porn, bwahahahahaha!!!" Try stirring yourself up some to find the truth.

And your "proofs" are the two most despicable news sources that exist.

And you're too lazy to look up the excerpts I posted for you earlier. It's what I intensely dislike about "discussing" anything with you.
Then I will stop "annoying" you. Goodbye.

The NYT is a despicable news source??? It's the headquarters of liberal news for people like you. Your comment is, I think, just more of your ideology at work.

Please do stop being annoying. If you want to come back, then get committed to truth. I always struggle to deal with you. I don't like meanness, but when faced with the many wild statements you make, it's hard to know how to respond. Sometimes the line between honesty and meanness is a narrow one.

Does "gender therapy " include double mastectomy and chemical castration for 13 year olds ?

Olson-Kennedy-2018.pdf - Google Drive (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VG30CYPOQOrjEaYP2ocTYH272uqZo3TG/view)

Seems like in Florida the right has gone book ban crazy too.

Florida came up with a collective list of books that will not be taught in districts throughout the state . Now I agree with restricting some books when they are not age appropriate ( when it comes to high school there should be few) . But the published list is over the top. i confess now that many of them I read in school and as an adult . Some of them were foundational.

2023-2024 School District Reporting Pursuant to Section 1006.28(2), Florida Statutes (https://www.fldoe.org/file/5574/2324-SDRPS-100628-2.pdf)

I'm not talking about the controversial books promoting lifestyles . Some of them are classics including work by Ayn Rand ;Toni Morrison ;Kurt Vonnegut ,Maya Angelou among others . For some reason Steven King is prominently banned. Again ,it may be justified to restrict them based on age. But it does not seem justified for total bans.