The Biden Center made news with a report that Quid Pro Joe had classified government documents from his time as VP stored unauthorized in his office at the Biden Center at U Penn.

Unlike Trump's executive power to declassify information, as VP, Clueless Joe had no such authority.

But it raises an old question ;is it actually a money laundering operation for Quid Pro Joe and the Biden crime family ?

Consider this ; Sec State Blinken served as Penn's Biden Center before he was appointed to be Sec State.
It was a holding pen in the revolving door between public and private sector jobs for future administration officials ;especially ones in national security positions .

Besides Blinken alums from the Biden Center include Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl, U.S. ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe Michael Carpenter, U.S. deputy ambassador to the United Nations Jeffrey Prescott and UPenn’s longtime former president, Amy Gutmann was appointed as ambassador to Germany.

The Penn Biden Center’s Revolving Door - The American Prospect (https://prospect.org/politics/penn-biden-centers-revolving-door/)

U Penn started getting a significant increase in foreign donations after the Biden Center opened .

House Oversight Committee chairman Rep. James Comer had previously raised questions about these foreign donations .

"Understanding whether the University of Pennsylvania’s Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement received funds from China or other adversarial nations at the behest of the Biden family or future Biden Administration officials will shed light on the depth and breadth of the potential improper influence these nations enjoy over the Biden family,”

Top House Republicans Push University of Pennsylvania & Biden Center to Disclose Foreign Financial Ties | Committee on Education & the Workforce (https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=407156)


The Ivy League college raked in a total of $54.6 million from 2014 through June 2019 in donations from China, including $23.1 million in anonymous gifts starting in 2016, according to public records.

Most of the anonymous donations came after the university announced in February 2017 that it would create the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Joe Biden, whose term as vice president had just ended, was to lead the center and was also named a professor at the university.
The center, which is located in Washington, DC, opened its doors in February 2018. Antony Blinken, whom Biden named as secretary of state, briefly served as its managing director.
The Ivy League university received $15.8 million in anonymous Chinese gifts that year, including one eye-popping $14.5 million donation in May 2018, records show.


$54M in Chinese gifts donated to UPenn, home of Biden Center (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/)

10% for the Big Guy

Yesterday more docs were "found " in another undisclosed location. Where ? Maybe one of his homes ? Looking forward to the early morning raid by the FBI and photos of the docs released to the press. If docs were found in 2 location maybe there are more at other locations . The FBI should raid all his homes and offices . Is Hunter or brother James holding some for the 'Big Guy' ? The FBI should raid their homes and offices too . How about in Jill Biden's office ? Since they did not release the location it is fair to speculate .

The news of the docs was withheld by Clueless from the initial discovery that happened days before the elections . Obstruction of justice anyone ?

Now it is being slow released . The first release by CBS .Yesterday's was by NBC. This is strategically timed to get bad news out of the way before 2024 .

Also of note ;He has KJP sticking to the lie that he doesn't know anything about the docs . That is an obvious lie .

Even the compliant press called her out .

JUST IN: KJP Repeatedly Asked The Same Question By Reporter About Biden Classified Documents Scandal - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_fQsAyoNJ4)

and by Peter Doocy of Fox .

‘How Could Anyone Be That Irresponsible?’: Peter Doocy Grills KJP On Biden’s Classified Documents - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZBU0tOPW8)

Remember when AG Garland appointed a special council to investigate classified docs at Mar a Largo (presumably 16 days after he was briefed about Clueless having classified docs at U Penn) . At the time he said a special council was needed because Trump had announced he was running for President.

Well it is believed that Clueless will announce within days. Will AG Garland appoint a special council to investigate Clueless' unauthorized possession of classified docs he took when he was VP ?

Remember when AG Garland appointed a special council to investigate classified docs at Mar a Largo (presumably 16 days after he was briefed about Clueless having classified docs at U Penn) . At the time he said a special council was needed because Trump had announced he was running for President.

Well it is believed that Clueless will announce within days. Will AG Garland appoint a special council to investigate Clueless' unauthorized possession of classified docs he took when he was VP ?


Flashback . Evita was being investigated over her involvement in Whitewater . Docs were missing. After the investigation the docs suddenly appeared . Evita was "surprised "by the discovery of the docs ..

Timeline
Clueless left office as VP in 2017

He had an office at U Penn in Philadelphia after finishing his term until 2019

. On February 8, 2018, the Biden Center opened its doors in Washington, D.C.

So the docs at the Biden Center were moved at least twice. He didn't know anything about them ?

Don't bother investigating . The Evita James Comey rule will be applied

“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

It will be interesting to see if the liberals on this site who was so concerned about Trump and his docs will be equally concerned about these. My guess...probably not.

The real issue is that MOST classified docs should not be classified at all. The secrecy state and interagency rivalries were what the 9-11 Commission blamed for the attacks .


Chairman Thomas Kean told reporters after the report was released that half of all the classified documents he reviewed did not need to be classified.
"The culture of agencies feeling they own the information they gathered at taxpayer expense must be replaced by a culture in which the agencies instead feel they have a duty to the information -- to repay the taxpayers' investment by making the information available," the report concluded. "Current security requirements nurture overclassification and excessive compartmentalization of information among agencies."


Agencies criticized for overclassifying information - Government Executive (govexec.com) (https://www.govexec.com/defense/2004/07/agencies-criticized-for-overclassifying-information/17247/)

If anything the culture got worse in the expanded security deep state .


Estimates range from 50 to 90 percent of classified material is not properly labeled. In the 1990s, Congress established the Commission on Protecting and Reducing Government Secrecy to study those issues and develop recommendations. In 1997, the Commission issued a final report, including 16 recommendations. Three of those recommendations were implemented. Seven were partially implemented, and six remain open today. The Chairman of the Commission, the late Senator Patrick Moynihan, wrote, and I quote: ‘‘If the present report is to serve any large purpose, it is to introduce the public to the thought that secrecy is a mode of reguation. In truth, it is the ultimate mode for the citizen does not even know that he or she is being regulated,’’ end quote.


untitled (fas.org) (https://irp.fas.org/congress/2016_hr/overclass.pdf)

The real issue is that MOST classified docs should not be classified at all. The secrecy state and interagency rivalries were what the 9-11 Commission blamed for the attacks .I would think that is quite true. I wonder if a lot of it is not much more than a CYA deal.

The real issue is that MOST classified docs should not be classified at all.

You couldn't be more right.

As a former recipient of classified information, half of it was unintelligible, half was misdirected (why was I getting it?), and the third half was over-classified. Never was there a better description of the military as SNAFU.

AG Garland has appointed Robert Hur as special counsel to investigate Clueless Joe's possession of classified docs now revealed to have been stored in a garage next to his classic Corvette . No this is not a Babylon Bee satire.

AG Garland has appointed Robert Hur as special counsel to investigate Clueless Joe's possession of classified docs now revealed to have been stored in a garage next to his classic Corvette . No this is not a Babylon Bee satire.

Document case - Ten bucks says Joe comes out totally innocent and the orange conman goes to jail.

Clueless said the docs were secure because they were in a locked garage .

The docs at Mar a Largo were in a storage closet in a house that housed Secret Service contingent and which the lock had been reinforced by FBI supervision

Flashback to February last year . U Penn had received millions in secret donations from China.(see above ) So professors from the U went to work on China's behalf


Over 150 Penn faculty members have signed onto an open letter (https://bit.ly/3giX6UG) to Attorney General Merrick Garland, urging the U.S. Department of Justice to overturn the “China Initiative (https://www.justice.gov/nsd/information-about-department-justice-s-china-initiative-and-compilation-china-related)” which they allege disproportionately targets researchers of Chinese descent.
The China Initiative project was unveiled in 2018 during the Trump administration (https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-announces-new-initiative-combat-chinese-economic-espionage), with the stated purpose of preventing economic and technological espionage for the benefit of the Chinese government. The open letter, however, wrote that the China Initiative has unfairly targeted Chinese and Chinese American researchers without evidence of espionage and is harming the U.S.’s technological progress and workforce.
The letter comes at a time of mounting pressure (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/why-ending-justice-departments-china-initiative-vital-us-security) from academic and political institutions towards the DOJ to revoke the Trump era initiative.



Over 150 Penn faculty rebuke U.S. government for racial profiling of Chinese academics | The Daily Pennsylvanian (thedp.com) (https://www.thedp.com/article/2022/02/168-penn-faculty-sign-open-letter-merrick-garland-china-initiative)

Still waiting for the FBI to conduct a large-scale, unannounced raid on Biden's home in which they seize anything and everything in their search for evidence of wrong doing.

That is not happening During Garland's presser announcing the special council he revealed that he knew about the 2nd group of docs since December 20 . That means the WH feigning surprise over the whole thing and that the U Penn batch was a flukey accident is a blatant lie. The WH also failed to acknowledge those additional documents until they were reported this week.

Compare this to the allegations around the Trump pre-dawn raid ;the kid gloves treatment of Evita's handling of classified material ,and you get a clear different standard of justice depending on which party is involved .

Another curious fact ... They found the 2nd set of docs in Delaware . But Clueless' attorney informed a DA in Illinois about them . Why get an Illinois DA involved at all ?

Another curious fact ... They found the 2nd set of docs in Delaware . But Clueless' attorney informed a DA in Illinois about them . Why get an Illinois DA involved at all ?

It's a conspiracy covering the land mass between the Atlantic Ocean and the Great Lakes. I'm sure the special "council" (sic) will root out the conspirators who are your Christ-killing chicoms.

I'm sure the special "council" (sic) will root out the conspirators who are your Christ-killing chicoms.Really strange post.

The BBee hits another homer.


WASHINGTON, DC — After multiple caches of highly classified government documents were found in different locations belonging to President Joe Biden, the United States Department of Justice acted swiftly to indict former President Donald Trump for the alleged crime.
"This is a serious violation of federal regulations," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a press briefing announcing the indictment. "We will take all measures available to the Justice Department to hold Donald Trump accountable for President Biden being found in possession of these documents."
"No one is above the law."



https://babylonbee.com/news/doj-indicts-trump-for-bidens-possession-of-classified-documents?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newslet ter&utm_medium=email

LOL
2 real theories

1. The Dems have decided to pull the trigger on the 25th amendment and will use this as justification
2. Dems are trying to kneecap Congressional investigations into Quid by making pertinent information unavailable to them because it is part of the special council's probe.

Or there is one Dem who floated the theory that the docs are a plant that were “discovered conveniently” to frame Quid

Got another theory . The Joy Behar theory

It goes like this in her words :

"We all know that Trump is a liar and a thief. We know that. So it's not that big a jump to say that he obstructed and he lied. We don’t think that Biden is a liar and a thief, so we give him the benefit of the doubt,"

There are now parallel investigations by the Justice Dept . One on Trump One on Quid. The compliant press and the administration is already spinning Quid's possession as he “inadvertently misplaced” the docs in his possession and that “the president and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovering this mistake.”

Greg Price on Twitter: "Jean-Pierre: "We are confident that a thorough review will show that these [classified] documents were inadvertently misplaced and the president and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovering this mistake." https://t.co/GiahQk3zEZ" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1613629559542534144)

But the docs in Trump's possession the narrative goes are a grave national security threat and his intent was to steal them.(intent is the key to their charge ) They say on top of that he obstructed the investigation to a point that a raid of his residence in the pre-dawn hours was the only way to secure them.

Now Garland will get 2 reports . He will hold another presser or 2 . The first one will say that although Clueless was clumsy in his handling of the docs "no reasonable prosecutor "would file charges . Whereas by the power vested in me by the Dem puppet masters and with a severe case of TDS ,we find Trump guilty...guilty ..guilty !!!!

For once I agree with Mr. Biden. This is what he said about another person having classified docs.


"How that could possibly happen, how anyone could be that irresponsible," Biden responded. "And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods. By that, I mean, names of people helped or et cetera." "And it's just totally irresponsible," Biden added.

5 more docs were found in his Wilmington home . And this is with his staff looking for them . The total is now 24 and growing . They were found Thursday but not revealed until this morning .

The deflecting dodge from now on will be that they are not going to comment on an ongoing investigation and they defer to the Justice Dept. Information that the House Committee needs will be blocked because it it part of the special council's investigation

The deflecting dodge from now on

What's the deflecting dodge for Trump?

Trump can't help himself from commenting .

Not holding my breath to see docs spread out on the floor from Quid's garage

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/08/640/320/fbi-maralago-search-docs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Meanwhile the compliant press is almost in unison doing comparisons of the 2 cases to emphasize that in Quid's case it aint no biggie .

Opinion | Biden’s Documents Case Isn’t Similar to Trump’s. It’s Really Like Hillary’s. - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/01/14/biden-documents-trump-hillary-00077923)

Classified Documents: The Crucial Difference Between Biden and Trump - Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-01-12/classified-documents-the-crucial-difference-between-biden-and-trump)

Classified documents cases should worry Trump more than Biden (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/classified-documents-cases-worry-trump-biden-rcna65746)

Opinion: Why Biden's documents call for a special counsel | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/opinions/appointment-special-counsel-biden-documents-case-eisen/index.html)

Biden's classified document case is nothing like Trump's (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/01/13/biden-classified-documents-nothing-like-donald-trump/11042291002/)

Biden's classified documents scandal isn't as bad as Trump's. But it's still bad. (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/biden-classified-documents-trump-rcna65531)

The liberal media is spreading their version of "Biden tells baby fibs." But even in that regard they don't agree. USAToday claimed the Biden case was "nothing like" the Trump case, while MSNBC alleged the Biden case was bad but not as bad as Trump's. This sickening support for Biden will continue on in a number of ways.

More lies

White House says there are no visitor logs of Clueless' Delaware home . He spends about a quarter of his time there .He is there most weekends. It is not possible that Secret Service was allowing visitors to come and go without maintaining a visitor's log or doing extensive vetting of who was there .

White House says there are no visitors logs for Biden's Delaware home (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/white-house-says-no-visitors-logs-bidens-delaware-home-rcna65970)

Another question needing answers

The DOJ is investigating the Quid's possession of classified documents ;some of which have been confirmed as top secret . Some were found in the same home where Hunter Biden lives . He is also under Federal investigation.
How do they permit Quid's lawyers ;who have already been confirmed to not have clearance ,to do the search for the docs ?

Document discovery spotlights Biden's frequent use of Wilmington home - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/13/biden-classified-documents-wilmington-home/)

Hunter Biden lived at Delaware home where classified docs were kept (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/hunter-biden-lived-at-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-were-kept/)

More classified documents found at Biden's home by lawyers - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/lawyers-found-classified-documents-joe-bidens-home-96437903)

Biden should get up every morning and thank God that his last name is not "Trump".

I can't emphasis enough how the use of his lawyers instead of DOJ officers turns this into a coverup attempt. This is Evita all over again .Using his lawyers allows him to claim attorney client privilege.

Chain of custody is critical in an investigation .That was broken when his lawyers started handling the docs.At Mar a Lago the FBI meticulously documented and photographed the docs and the surrounding areas . That is not happening .It is like improper handling of evidence at a crime scene. Who will be witnesses ? Quid's lawyers when they should also be under criminal investigation ?

They have been involved since the initial discovery in November . Timeline of discovery is November ;December 20; and January 11 . Were they searching all this time ? What else did they find ?


One thing is definite . Quid's claims of 'inadvertent ' is clearly a lie.

You obsess over Biden while silent about Trump - the far more serious actual attempt to steal classified documents.

How can we know what Biden's attorneys found and then hid? Why has the FBI not served a search warrant and searched the entire premises?


You obsess over Biden while silent about TrumpPot once again speaks to Kettle.


the far more serious actual attempt to steal classified documents.
Yep, no bias at work here.

There was no steal in Trump's case . The National Archives knew they were there and was negotiating which docs Trump could keep. They and the FBI requested the docs be kept in a locked secured storage closet ,and Trump complied . In addition Secret Service was constantly present there.

The Quid docs have been stashed away since 2016 .That is 6 years with no accountability . The docs have been moved around a number of times . So there is a big difference between the 2 cases.

There was no steal in Trump's case

Dream on. But first, educate yourself on ALL the facts re Trump's theft - not just FOX and other far right sites.

Dream on. But first, educate yourself on ALL the facts re Trump's theft - not just FOX and other far right sites.If you know about these issues, then why don't you put it forward to be seen? Tom always documents his claims well, so there is no need to just take his word for it. You need to do likewise.

and the closest I ever come to a so called 'far right site' is Wall Street Journal. I rarely use Fox

It should be a simple matter for Athos to simply say, "This is why I refer to Trump having stolen the classified material." I don't expect it to happen, but we'll see. It would be nice if I was wrong with my expectation.

The FBI decided to trust Quid's lawyers to not act in his interests .

Justice Department Considered but Rejected Role in Biden Documents Search - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-considered-but-rejected-role-in-biden-documents-search-11673991364?mod=hp_lead_pos7)



Hunter was paying the Big Guy $50,000 /month rent to live in the Delaware home . Sounds like money laundering to me . This was basically the same income he was getting from Burisma .




Hunter Biden Paid $49,910 In Monthly Rent While Living At President Joe Biden's Delaware Home Where Classified Documents Were Stored, Document Reveals (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hunter-biden-paid-dollar49910-in-monthly-rent-while-living-at-president-joe-bidens-delaware-home-where-classified-documents-were-stored-document-reveals/ar-AA16reup?li=BBnb7Kz)

Quid listed rental income of $19800 in all of 2017 and none in 2018 .

How is this possible?



After Mr. Biden’s lawyers discovered documents marked as classified dating from his term as vice president at an office he used at a Washington-based think tank on Nov. 2, the Justice Department opened an inquiry into why and how they got there. Mr. Biden’s legal team prepared to search his other properties for any similar documents, and discussed with the Justice Department the prospect of having FBI agents present while Mr. Biden’s lawyers conducted the additional searches.
Instead, the two sides agreed that Mr. Biden’s personal attorneys would inspect the homes, notify the Justice Department as soon as they identified any other potentially classified records, and arrange for law-enforcement authorities to take them.
Justice Department Considered but Rejected Role in Biden Documents Search - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-considered-but-rejected-role-in-biden-documents-search-11673991364?mod=hp_lead_pos12&mod=article_inline)

I'm sure it was just coincidence that the story did not break prior to the midterms. It is also beyond incredible that attorneys who do not have clearance for classified docs were the ones conducting the search for documents they were not supposed to see.

Bottom line . Quids lawyers work in Quid's interests . Can they give testimony against their client ? The justice system is broken

More illegally held classified docs were found at Quid's residence in Wimington Delaware
Some of the docs date back to the time he was in the Senate.

. His lawyers scrubbed the home ;and then notified the DOJ and offered to have the DOJ inspect the home. The FBI "found " the docs during search. This is what is called fully cooperating with the investigation .


Joseph D. Fitzpatrick, assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, told NBC News: "I can confirm that the FBI on Friday executed a planned, consensual search of the President's residence in Wilmington, Delaware."

[Quid's personal lawyer] "Bauer, in his statement Saturday said that the president's legal team offered to provide "prompt access" to Biden's private residence "to allow DOJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material."

FBI finds more classified documents in search of Biden home in Delaware (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/search-of-bidens-home-by-doj-finds-more-classified-documents/ar-AA16Bu2A)Prompt access ??????

The first batch of " a small number "of classified records was found November 2 . We are now into the 11th week since they were found .

Baur added
"DOJ had full access to the President’s home, including personally handwritten notes, files, papers, binders, memorabilia, to-do lists, schedules, and reminders going back decades."

This is a search that should've happened 11 weeks ago .Then it would've been a prompt search. Now?? it is more the equivalence of Evita shredding docs and scrubbing her server where copies of classified docs and communications were illegally BleachBit cleansed ;after the person who did it admitted to the FBI that “he was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton’s e-mail data on the PRN Server.”


On Jan. 12, Jean-Pierre told reporters during a press conference that a search of President Biden's Wilmington residence was "completed" and that the matter is "in the hands of the special counsel" before telling reporters they "should assume it has been completed, yes."
Later in the press conference, Karine-Pierre reaffirmed "the search is complete."
But, additional documents were found later that night and again on Friday.


This FBI "search" occurred on Friday after days of criticism of the fact that Garland was allowing the President's lawyers do the work of FBI investigators .



"As noted in the Statement we released on January 14, we have attempted to balance the importance of public transparency where appropriate with the established norms and limitations necessary to protect the investigation's integrity."
"We will continue to do so throughout the course of our cooperation with DOJ," Bauer said.

Sauber, Biden's White House lawyer, in his own statement, said, "The President and his team are working swiftly to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to conduct a thorough review."
"Since the beginning, the President has been committed to handling this responsibly because he takes this seriously," Sauber said.

Monday's presser by KJP ought to be a hoot . I have a great idea . She never comments without first referencing a big binder she keeps on the podium. What she should do is make print copies and distribute them to the press corp. Then when she is asked a question she could say 'refer to page 43' .

Word of caution to Quid. Bob Baur ;his personal attorney does not have Quid as his first loyalty . He is and has been a long time apparatchik of the emperor's organization Bauer served as general counsel to the DNC and as personal lawyer to the emperor during the 2008 campaign. .He later went in and out of government and the law firm of Perkins Coie (you remember them as the firm that retained Fusion GPS to create the fictional Steele dossier. )
The emperor dispatched him to Hawaii to produce his long form birth certificate
Then the emperor went on nation TV to say that he had more important things to do. A week later OBL was killed in a US Special Forces raid and the birther controversy was over .
He was involved in solving the phony birther controversy by first working to get a lawsuit against the emperor dismissed .

The point is not to dredge up the phony birther controversy again. The point is to show that Bauer has mixed loyalties at best .

There are rumors that Michelle Obama will throw her hat in the ring in 2024 . How this document drama plays out is mostly in his hands at this point. He could easily turn on Quid to help clear the field for Michelle.

MO would be a terrible pres but a strong candidate since she would be seen by many as a surrogate for BO, not to mention being the first female pres for whatever that's worth.

When the time was right to get rid of the useful idiots ,Hitler's organization took out the long knives .

"Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies." I doubt there would be intentional killings, but the corrupt power of the "law" can easily become a tool of oppression, and being considered close and on the right side of power might just be an illusion.

KJP 's vague dodging answer to the question if the President is involved in a cover up.She also couldn't demonstrate an example of how Quid takes the matter of docs seriously .

"Is President Biden involved in a cover-up?!" KJP gets FED-UP with Peter Doocy's document questions - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHp2TazVsbI)



Bauer used the legalize phrase that “six items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding material” were found this weekend.

What does that mean ? It could be file cabinets filled with dozens of classified docs .



WH Chief of Staff Ron Klain is jumping the sinking ship .

He will be replaced by former WH Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeff Zients


He was covid gas lighter in Chief . He came up with the nonsense in 2021 that the unvaxed were "looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm."

The unvaccinated are 'looking at a winter of severe illness and death': White House - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unvaccinated-winter-severe-illness-death-white-house/story?id=81817431)

And of course he is a former emperor staffer that is infiltrating the Clueless administration for the purpose of giving him a shove out the door .

Now that Mike Pence has disclosed that he found classified docs in his home ; can we expect an FBI SWAT raid ?

It appears that every former and current President /VP has classified docs in their possession . What do you think the emperor pilfered for his Presidential library ?

What is really striking is that there is plainly no system in place to keep track of all this classified material.

Where have the liberals on this site gone off to?

no system in place to keep track of all this classified material.
I totally agree there must be a system set up (or is there one but it's being ignored?). Even academic and public library reference materials are cataloged, are subject to RFID and other security systems, plus are under very definite rules for in-library use as well as if any are checked out. Annual (or even more frequent) inventory is done. This should be the norm for classified government documents.

There is a system that clearly is being violated ;especially if sitting Senators can walk away with classified docs . In Congress there are Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities (acronymed SCIFs and pronounced "skiffs")where classified docs can be viewed . Noone in Congress is permitted to leave the skiff with a classified doc and only Senators and Reps who have the proper clearance can enter a skiff.

Classified docs in the WH are in the Situation Room and should not leave there .

I suppose we would all agree that said system is not working. It just makes me wonder how difficult it is for the Russkies or Chicoms to get their hands on secret material.

Well if you are Chinese spy Fang Fang then all you need to do is have a relationship with Rep Eric Swalwell .

And Russians can get exact quotes of classified docs by reading Hunter's emails .

Or did the coke head son of the VP actually write a 22 bullet point email using the abbreviation RU for Russia and UK for Ukraine as if he was a State Dept analysist. And how exactly did he know how the US would react to Russian moves in Ukraine ?


“The strategic value is to create a land bridge for RU to Crimea. That won’t directly affect Burisma holdings but it will limit future UK exploration and utilization of offshore opportunities in particular,” Hunter wrote.
“It will also result in further destabilization of UK nationally and for whatever govt is in power. And the US will respond with even stronger sanctions. Those sanctions will threaten the tenuous support of the EU which does not have the political will to incur steep energy price increases.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnLgcMQXEBQQzrV?format=jpg&name=small

Uk = Ukraine. UK = United Kingdom.

it would make no sense if UK meant United Kingdom in the email There is no doubt that the entire bullet point section was a c/p from a government doc

The only out I see for Quid and Pence is to demonstrate that the emperor and Trump declassified the docs in their possession.

The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961).
(Navy v Egan 1988)

it would make no sense if UK meant United Kingdom in the email There is no doubt that the entire bullet point section was a c/p from a government doc
Robert Biden (Beau's son) used it correctly. You used and quoted two caps. That made it confusing.

Robert Biden (Beau's son) used it correctly. You used and quoted two caps. That made it confusing.

Hunter's full name is Robert Hunter Biden. Beu's son would've been kinda young for that (born 2006)
The email is so out of character with the rest of the emals on his pc. It was clearly lifted entirely from a doc he copied from (probably in the garage.

Thanks, tomder! That pulls it all together, makes sense.

btw I've nominated you to be the custodian of classified documents . I've concluded that what is really needed is a great librarian.

The Bee has a great take on Pence

Pence Turns Himself In To Childhood Scoutmaster After Discovering He Accidentally Kept Knot-Tying Manual | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/pence-turns-himself-in-to-childhood-scoutmaster-after-discovering-he-accidentally-kept-knot-tying-manual)

The story about his accidently having classified docs in night and day from both Trump and Quid

He has never shown any indication of trading in his positions in government for wealth . There are suspicious reasons for both Trump and Quid as to the reason they have docs . Pence's possession is clearly accidental .

btw I've nominated you to be the custodian of classified documents . I've concluded that what is really needed is a great librarian.
The classified docs must be kept properly filed in a locked room. A degreed librarian is stationed at a desk in an adjacent reading room. Docs must be properly requested, and before handing them over, the librarian notes the name and title of the requester, the doc's title and any other pertinent ID info, the date and time requested. The doc must not leave the reading room. No photocopies are allowed. Once the doc is returned, the librarian notes the time and, after the requester leaves, refiles the doc in the locked room.

as it should be . But clearly those rules are not followed. Docs should not leave the Situation Room in the WH ;even if the President requests them . But here is a picture of VP Quid in 2013 in the Oval Office holding an obviously classified doc,




https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/640/320/Joe-Biden-Classified-Document-White-House-2013-Oval-Office.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/640/320/Joe-Biden-Classified-Document-White-House-2013.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Then there was this after 9-11 Sandy Berger ;the former National Security Adviser under Bubba ,illegally took classified documents from the National Archives on more than one occasion. During his visits to the Archives, it was determined that Berger folded the documents in his clothes, walked out of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., and placed them under a nearby construction trailer for retrieval later on

And Trump?

The FBI had already visited Trump's home and put the docs under lock . Other docs were already sent to the Archives and Trump was in negotiations with the archives over the status of the rest . The raid was unnecessary theatrics designed to influence to fall campaign

The FBI had already visited Trump's home and put the docs under lock . Other docs were already sent to the Archives and Trump was in negotiations with the archives over the status of the rest . The raid was unnecessary theatrics designed to influence to fall campaign

(deleted - I got carried away).

here we go again


Investigators met with Trump's lawyers at Mar-a-Lago months ago to evaluate the documents Trump had taken during his time at the White House, CNN reported. Trump was also present during the meeting, albeit momentarily, sources told CNN.
The CNN report does not specify when exactly investigators met with Trump, but said Trump aides were interviewed about the documents by the FBI in April and May.
During Monday's search of his office, Trump was at Trump Tower (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-in-trump-tower-fbi-searched-mar-a-lago-cnn-2022-8) in New York City.
After investigators asked to see where Trump stored his documents, attorneys for the former president took investigators to the basement room at Mar-a-Lago. Days later, the attorneys received a letter asking to lock that same room, sources told CNN. The report does not mention who sent the letter.









Trump Aides Added Padlock to Document Room Before FBI Search: Report (businessinsider.com) (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-asked-lawyers-add-padlock-office-before-fbi-search-2022-8)

National Archives retrieved 15 boxes of Trump White House documents from Mar-a-Lago (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/national-archives-retrieved-15-boxes-of-trump-white-house-documents-from-mar-a-lago.html)

here we go again

You bet, here we go again. I don't know why you're going on and on over the same monjageetz about the Trump Crime Organization.

Here's all you need to know about Trump's document shenanigans written by - are you ready? - the one and only beloved mate/partner/husband of the esteemed right-hand woman of Donald Trump - Kellyanne Conway! (The crowd roars...)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/george-conway-donald-trump-documents_n_63d2318ee4b04d4d18e3e2a8

Read it and weep.

"obstruction, stonewalling over a year, even the shoe bomber..." George leaves no stone unturned.

The Huffington Post? Well, at least you chose an unbiased source. [SARC]


Conway, a fierce critic of Trump, acknowledged the significance of the discoveries in all the cases.And an unbiased opinion!!

Yes, we should weep. We should weep over this pitiful effort to present an article, which is strictly on op-ed piece, as being some sort of substantial evidence of wrong-doing. George left no hateful insinuation unturned.

You are mistaken .The article was written by George Conway Kellyanne's estranged husband ;who has the worse case of TDS on the planet .

You are mistaken .The article was written by George Conway Kellyanne's estranged husband ;who has the worse case of TDS on the planet .

Why am I mistaken? What about? George Conway?

I couldn't have made it any clearer it was George I was referring to. Kellyanne's "beloved mate/partner/husband". Husband!! Who else could it possibly be?

Anybody who's paid any attention the last 5 years knows George is about as anti-Trump as possible. That's the great irony with him and his dear wife.

It was a reply to your post #61 which was unbelievably so limited in actual fact, I gave you a taste of your own medicine with my over-the-top language. ("The crowd roars...")

C'mon, tomder, get with the program.

yeah I probably should shut the computer off at bed time

I provided the facts for 61 in 63


Anybody who's paid any attention the last 5 years knows George is about as anti-Trump as possible. That's the great irony with him and his dear wife.

It has happened before . James Carville and Mary Matalin were on the opposite sides of the Bubba v GHW Bush campaign. They are complete opposites .
The difference is that no one would give a damn what George Conway says if it wasn't for his being Kellyanne's husband .

The problem is that the article was introduced as, "Here's all you need to know about Trump's document shenanigans..." It was no such thing. It was just a litany of unsubstantiated claims by a self-avowed Trump hater.

Senators in both parties are furious that Quid's WH and the DOJ is blocking their access to the top secret and classified docs that were removed from the WH by Trump ,Quid and Pence. National Intelligence Director Avril Haines declined to show them copies of the classified documents discovered.Haines also refused to discuss the docs using the WH dodge that it compromises ongoing special counsel investigations.

Senator Tom Cotton said

“I’m prepared to refuse consent or to fast-track any nominee for any department or agency. And take every step I can on every committee on which I serve to impose consequences on the administration until they provide these documents for the Congress to make our own informed judgment about the risk to national security” .

Cotton vows to block Biden nominees over classified documents flap - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/25/cotton-block-biden-nominees-classified-documents-00079545)

Congress provides important oversight on matters of security . Key Senators have the clearance to see these docs . To prevent them from seeing them reeks of cover-up.

This is especially true in Quid's case . Some docs marked Top Secret were located at Quid' Chinese funded 'Think Tank" at Penn .This is bipartisan .In fact Dem Sen Mark Warner said “Literally every member of the committee, without exception, said this won’t stand.”

‘This Won’t Stand’: Senators Say Biden Officials Are ‘Stonewalling’ Access to Classified Documents (theepochtimes.com) (https://www.theepochtimes.com/this-wont-stand-senators-say-biden-officials-are-stonewalling-access-to-classified-documents_5012892.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=digitalsub)

yeah I probably should shut the computer off at bed time

Good idea for all here.


I provided the facts for 61 in 63

Those "facts" were irrelevant. You left out 90% of the relevant "facts".


It has happened before . James Carville and Mary Matalin were on the opposite sides of the Bubba v GHW Bush campaign. They are complete opposites .
The difference is that no one would give a damn what George Conway says if it wasn't for his being Kellyanne's husband .

All true. Thank you. More reason to see my post for what it was intended to be seen as - a reply to your #61/63.

Please don't go down that road of your compatriot who needs every jot and tittle explained to him and who zeroes in like a laser on missing the point especially when a touch of subtlety is employed for purposes of sarcasm or humor.

Please don't go down that road of your compatriot who needs every jot and tittle explained to him and who zeroes in like a laser on missing the point especially when a touch of subtlety is employed for purposes of sarcasm or humor.I think this said it well. "Yes, we should weep. We should weep over this pitiful effort to present an article, which is strictly on op-ed piece, as being some sort of substantial evidence of wrong-doing. George left no hateful insinuation unturned."

If you want to be taken seriously, then please provide factual, unbiased sources.

I think this said it well. "Yes, we should weep. We should weep over this pitiful effort to present an article, which is strictly on op-ed piece, as being some sort of substantial evidence of wrong-doing. George left no hateful insinuation unturned."

Thank you for proving my point to the Nth degree. You still don't get it, do you?

Here it is again:

Please don't go down that road of your compatriot who needs every jot and tittle explained to him and who zeroes in like a laser on missing the point especially when a touch of subtlety is employed for purposes of sarcasm or humor.


You are now being sent back to the dungeon where you dwell in darkness and ponder your misspent youth.

Ta-ta.

You are now being sent back to the dungeon where you dwell in darkness and ponder your misspent youth.I get it quite well. That's what irritates you so much, that I see through you very well. Rather than give an intelligent, well-reasoned response, you just resort to personal attacks. That's unfortunate. Perhaps it is the result of just not having any real responses available.

Happy to stick with this. "Yes, we should weep. We should weep over this pitiful effort to present an article, which is strictly on op-ed piece, as being some sort of substantial evidence of wrong-doing. George left no hateful insinuation unturned."

Punxsutawney Phil Emerges From Burrow To Let Everyone Know There Are Some Documents Marked ‘Classified’ Down There | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/punxsutawney-phil-emerges-from-his-burrow-to-let-everyone-know-there-are-some-documents-marked-classified-down-there?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email)

November 3 ,2022.., Back when the conspiracy to cover up this story up began , Quid Pro Joe's lawyer Patrick Moore shipped 9 boxes of classified docs from the Biden Penn Center to his office in Boston. This was the day after classified docs were "unexpectedly discovered" there , The mid-term elections was November 8 .

National Archives learned that he had shipped the docs there and notified the DOJ Inspector General. The docs were seized and transferred to the JFK Library November 9 ;the day after the mid-terms . They are still there and have not been reviewed according to Archives acting director Debra Steidel Wall . ("NARA has not reviewed the contents of the boxes found at Mr. Moore’s Boston office," )
We would not know this except for inquiries to the Archives by Senators . Ron Johnson, and Chuck Grassley. She was responding to a letter the Senators sent requesting this information in late February ..


So the docs were in his office for almost a week before they were secured .

Last month Quid said to PBS Judy Woodruff ;"The best of my knowledge, the kinds of things they picked up are things that are from 1974 and stray papers – there may be something else, I don’t know,”
He threw staffers under the bus saying they “didn’t do the kind of job that should have been done.”
Biden blames classified documents on poorly packed-up offices (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-blames-classified-documents-on-poorly-packed-up-offices/ar-AA17gzMc?ocid=sf)

"Biden blames classified documents on poorly packed-up offices." It is always someone else's fault.

Why hasn't Robert Hur reviewed them yet . He is the special council in the Biden docs and presumably the Biden crime family case.

The Justice Dept is close to slapping an indictment on Trump for mishandling docs (although the charges will probably be the typical fall back charge the Dept uses when they want to get someone.... that he "obstructed Justice" )

Trump lawyers visit U.S. Justice Department amid documents probe | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-attorneys-meet-with-us-justice-department-over-classified-documents-wash-2023-06-05/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=060623)

Meanwhile FBI Director Wray has refused to hand over an unclassified doc to Congress that proves, according to a whistleblower,that Quid was on the take while he was Veep.
James Comer to move ahead with contempt proceedings against Wray (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/james-comer-move-ahead-contempt-proceedings-wray-rcna87779)

I can't decide if they are persecuting Trump out of hatred, fear, or both.

If he becomes President he will hold them to account for their previous collusions with the Evita campaign . I wonder if he declared a blanket pardon for all involved in the Russia hoax if they would back off. Probably not.

I can't decide if they are persecuting Trump out of hatred, fear, or both.
He's an aging dope.

What a loving, kind statement.

The pile on continues

“Sounds like two sets of indictments”: NYT reveals existence of second Florida Mar-a-Lago grand jury | Salon.com (https://www.salon.com/2023/06/06/sounds-like-two-sets-of-indictments-nyt-reveals-existence-of-second-florida-mar-a-lago-grand-jury/)

Trump was impeached for temorarily witholding aid the Ukraine ;asking Ukraine to investigate Quid Pro Joe's getting a Ukraine prosecutor fired for investigating Hunter's Burisma connections

Now we learn that the FBI knew in June of 2020 ; as Quid was wrapping up the Dem nomination , that Burisma was bribing both Quid and Hunter to the tune of $5 million a piece to get the prosecutor off their case.

Quid threatened Ukraine with withholding aid to Ukraine until the prosecutor was dealt with . In his own words ...............

Joe Biden Brags about getting Ukranian Prosecutor Fired - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY&t=5s)

Chris Wray had the threat of Contempt of Congress ended when he finally cooperated and released the doc the FBI had from the whistleblower accusing the Bidens.

Comer Cancels Wray Contempt Vote as F.B.I. Agrees to Share Document on Biden - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/07/us/politics/congress-wray-contempt-fbi-biden-document.html)

and right on cue ...... as if it was planned that way .... we find out on the same day as the above was disclosed to the public...... that indeed Trump is indicted .
What a coincidence !!!!!!!

A coincidence indeed. The Biden DOJ manages to ignore both this (Burisma was bribing both Quid and Hunter to the tune of $5 million a piece to get the prosecutor off their case.) and the fact that Biden had in his possession many boxes of classified material. Strange how they managed to overlook all of that.

What they want is for Clueless Joe to die in office and for Trump to die in jail.

The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute. But they are attempting to link it to a law that is well past it's prime ....the Espionage Act of 1917 . That act was put in place by the Woodrow Wilson administration to nip in the bud domestic opposition to the US entry into WWI

What we have not discussed here is that they have Trump on tape discussing about a classified doc about a plan for a possible attack on Iran . Some of the people in the meeting did not have security clearance. Evidently this was a doc that Trump admits he did not declassify.

They are going to pile on a number of charges linking this and the docs at MAL ;and bunch of process crimes like obstruction of justice. Convicting Trump of any of these will result in jail time that Trump would not survive. It is essentially a death penalty.

This I believe is the REAL issue the DOJ is going after Trump for .

Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation – The White House (archives.gov) (https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/)

This declassification happened the Jan 19,2021 . The last day of Trump's Presidency.

The raid on MAL was an attempt to retrieve the docs related to the Justice Dept collusion with Evita's campaign ;and subsequent attempts to undermine the Trump administration.

page 15 of the indictment is the one they will nail Trump on

trump-indictment.pdf (d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net) (https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf)

The jury in the OJ case concluded that the cops were out to get OJ . Given the right jury would that work in this case ?

No surprise here . While Jack Smith is itching to slap irons on Trump for mishandling classified docs. the DOJ ended their investigation of Quid Pro Joe with no charges filed .
Special Counsel Robert Hur declined to comment.

' Time '; a compliant press mouth piece for the administration commented (I refuse to call it "reported " )



The decision not to charge Biden isn’t surprising because it involved seemingly innocent mishandling of classified papers that were uncovered and immediately handed over for investigation, according to Barbara McQuade, a former federal prosecutor.

DOJ Ends Biden Classified Docs Investigation With No Charges | TIME (https://time.com/6692166/biden-classified-documents-justice-department-investigation-findings-charges/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=sfmc&utm_campaign=newsletter+brief+default+ac&utm_content=+++20240207+++body&et_rid=274615990&lctg=274615990)

That is laugh out loud absurd . If they were "innocently mishandled " they would not have been moved around as often as playing cards in a 3 card monte game. If the fix wasn't in then Quid would not have been informed well in advance before the DOJ searched his homes and offices (and car) .