This utterly beggars belief.
Can those with access to Truth Social quote the actual post, so we can all draw our own conclusions on this...
Would be interested on @tomder55 and @jlisenbe's take on this.


The White House has condemned former President Donald Trump after he called for the "termination" of the US constitution.

Mr Trump made the comments in a post to his Truth social network on Saturday while repeating his false claim that he won the 2020 presidential election.

He also accused "Big Tech Companies" of colluding against him with Democrats.

White House spokesman Andrew Bates said Mr Trump's comments were "anathema to the soul of our nation".

"You cannot only love America when you win," Mr Bates said in a statement.

He added that Mr Trump's comments should be "universally condemned" - seemingly a pointed jab at senior Republicans who have so far avoided criticising the former president's outburst.

Other senior Democrats also challenged Republicans - including Rep Eric Swalwell who questioned how the party's members could continue to refer to themselves as "Constitutional conservatives" if they didn't condemn the comments.
Trump's call for 'end' of constitution condemned (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63851751)

So far as I can find, this is the actual quote.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

It's hard to know exactly what he meant by that. I'd like to see it in context. It seems to be truncated if the hanging comma at the end is any indication.

This is unquestionably true. "He also accused "Big Tech Companies" of colluding against him with Democrats."

Was this directed at Hillary? ""You cannot only love America when you win," Mr Bates said in a statement."

The quote:

"Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social and accused “Big Tech” of working closely with Democrats. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”

This was all said in response to the revelations of high tech collusion to get Biden elected as shown by the Twitter file releases.


Trump made the statement in response to the release of the "Twitter Files" on Friday, a trove of documents detailing Twitter's communications on censorship. Trump argued the files showed evidence of "fraud and deception" in the 2020 election and went on to argue parts of the Constitution should be terminated to address it.

It never ceases to fascinate me how liberals can happily overlook the obvious truth of big tech collusion to push the election to Biden, but then have a fit over a statement by Trump, the meaning of which is still unclear.

Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.

Context is everything, however 60+ court cases have already proved, without doubt, that the election was conducted as prescribed.
Unless of course we're trying to overlook the constitutional limitation on presidential terms...

Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.A contention for which there is zero evidence.


however 60+ court cases have already proved, without doubt, that the election was conducted as prescribed.Actually not, as I understand it, true. It has only shown that there was insufficient evidence for a court case to proceed. It certainly has not shown that the election was conducted properly. There is no doubt but that such an idea is untrue.

https://2020electionirregularities.com/

And that looks like a completely unbiased analyses of the vote...
Stats can be used to backup any line of reasoning given the right context.
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I'd much prefer the American Bar site: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_interest/election_law/litigation/

The analysis was not of the vote. The analysis was of the news coverage and the collusion by much of the news media to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story in order to push for Biden's election.

The analysis was not of the vote. The analysis was of the news coverage and the collusion by much of the news media to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story in order to push for Biden's election.

So, generally pretty meaningless...
One of these days politicians will fight election battles on what THEY will do for the country and not continually trying to smear the opposing side..
All very juvenile school yard bullying.

So, generally pretty meaningless...Strange how everything that favored Biden is somehow "meaningless".

Strange how everything that favored Biden is somehow "meaningless".

Think you should go back and read the site you linked to.

Not to defend Trump's comment but I would argue that the violation of Constitution occurred de facto long before the 2020 elections .

As far as BigTech collusion ;please refer to my post about the Twitter files ,
The Twitter Files (askmehelpdesk.com) (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/twitter-files-850095.html)

Interesting, however what part of the Constitution do you see as being violated ?
We all know Social media algorithms create unnatural echo chambers for all uses, makes the sites more sticky.

It was not algorithms It was a conscious decision by Twitter's top exec censor in chief Vijay Gadde (Jack Dorsey allegedly was not aware this was happening ) who made the suppression decisions . This was a conscious decision to violate the 1st amendment protections of speech through the use of proxies . This included Gadde ;former FBI council James Baker ;who left the FBI to become Twitter's council .

Former Twitter global communications VP Brandon Borrman questioned “Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?” Baker replied falsely “It’s reasonable for us to assume that they may have been [hacked] and that caution is warranted.”
Baker knew the laptop was authentic and in the hands of the FBI.

Emails throughout the Twitter world that are being released show that the censorship was in the word of one employee " f-ed"

Elon Musk releases Twitter's files on censorship of Post (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-files-on-censorship-of-post/)

They went so far as suspending the account of White House Press Sec Kayleigh McEnany for linking to the NY Post article that broke the lap top story .

Had it been a public service but private communication company like the phone services that cut access to those who's politics they did not agree with then it would not have been tolerated and in fact a violation of the Constitution . But big tech ,which in today's world has surpassed in many instances the importance of the traditional communication infrastructure ,is permitted this outrageous censorship on behalf of the leviathan state .

Requests by the 2020 Quid Pro Joe campaign and the DNC was all that was required by big Tech to have routinely stopped others from discussing or hearing opposing views.

Having threatened and cajoled social-media platforms for years to censor viewpoints and speakers disfavored by the Left, senior government officials in the Executive Branch have moved into a phase of open collusion with social-media companies to suppress disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content on social-media platforms under the Orwellian guise of halting so-called “disinformation,” “misinformation,” and “malinformation.The aggressive censorship that Defendants have procured constitutes government action for at least five reasons: (1) absent federal intervention, common-law and statutory doctrines, as well as voluntary conduct and natural free-market forces, would have restrained the emergence ofcensorship and suppression of speech of disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoint on social media; and yet (2) through Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) and other actions, the federal government subsidized, fostered, encouraged, and empowered the creation of a small number of massive social-media companies with disproportionate ability to censor and suppress speech on the basis of speaker, content, and viewpoint; (3) such inducements as Section 230 and other legal benefits (such as the absence of antitrust enforcement) constitute an immensely valuable benefit to social-media platforms and incentive to do the bidding of federal officials; (4) federal officials—including, most notably, certain Defendants herein—have repeatedly and aggressively threatened to remove these legal benefits and impose other adverse consequences on social-media platforms if they do not aggressively censor and suppress disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoints on their platforms; and (5) Defendants herein, colluding and coordinating with each other, have also directly coordinated and colluded with social-media platforms to identify disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content and thus have procured the actual censorship and suppression of the freedom of speech.




Doc.-45-First-Amended-Complaint.pdf (nclalegal.org) (https://nclalegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Doc.-45-First-Amended-Complaint.pdf)

Ben I will move my Twitter posting here to consolidate You can close my posting so there is no duplication


The Twitter Files
Musk is releasing proof of how Twitter and big tech colluded with Quid Pro Joe to rig the 2020 elections by suppressing the content of the Hunter Biden laptop

Just a reminder of one of the key texts that was on the computer .

“I hope you all can do what I did and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years. It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop, I won’t make you give me half of your salary.”(Hunter Biden, text message to daughter Naomi, 2019)

China, Ukraine and Russia threw millions of dollars to the Biden Crime Family .“The Big Guy” got 10 percent.

What is missing from the files to date is the role of the Intel community that lied to America and called the laptop Russian disinformation. What is also missing is the FBI; having the laptop in their possession ,slow walked the Hunter Biden investigation past the 2020 election and even past the 2022 .

These agencies of the government gave cover to the deep state selected candidate . Yes the deep state was involved . It selected Clueless Joe to be the Dem standard bearer after Bolshevik Bernie was winning all the early primaries . Then Rep of South Carolina James Clayborn spoke up for the deep state and gave the nod to Joe . It is no surprise that Joe is taking steps to ensure that states like Iowa and New Hampshire will no longer hold the early Dem primaries /caucus .

The compliant press ,especially taxpayer supported NPR also participated in the cover up with managing editor Terence Samuel saying “We don’t want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don’t want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions”

A presidential election ongoing and the national public radio station did not want to "waste time" on a major story about one of the candidates . No collusion there </sarc>

The crackhead whore mongering son of the VP was doing very well for himself as he navigated the world of international business . Who was the bigger whoremonger ....Hunter or the 'Big Guy ' ?

Ben here is the exact quote pulled from 'Truth'


So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!
@realDonaldTrump's post | Truth Social (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109449803240069864)

The compliant press was for all practical purposes ignoring the Twitter drop . Trump's comments lit a fire ...... mission accomplished .

Think you should go back and read the site you linked to.I don't link sites I haven't read.

It's hard to reason with people who see everything through "I despise Trump" lenses. Any and all activities are acceptable so long as they assist in bringing the former pres down.

The sad thing about it all is that those people who led the anti-Trump collusion in the media will not be held accountable and life will go on as before.

I don't link sites I haven't read.

It's hard to reason with people who see everything through "I despise Trump" lenses. Any and all activities are acceptable so long as they assist in bringing the former pres down.

The sad thing about it all is that those people who led the anti-Trump collusion in the media will not be held accountable and life will go on as before.

I said that as there is far more information about the election and not Biden's laptop.
I don't despise or even Anti, prefer a more measured and level playing field, with multiple sources that can be verified.
Hearsay is great, but actual irrefutable evidence wins every time.

I think for the anti-Trumpers, evidence never rises to the level of being irrefutable.

Big tech money and collusion had pushed the election to Trump. And the effort is still going on for 2024.
Which Big Tech company supported Trump in 2020 and now ?

Which Big Tech company supported Trump in 2020 and now ?

Dunno, when you use the term Big Tech, do you really mean the main stream Social sites or actual all of the tech sector including the computer manufactures ?


I think for the anti-Trumpers, evidence never rises to the level of being irrefutable.

Unfortunately that can so easily apply to anti-Bidens as well.
See how partisanship works ?

Actually not, as I understand it, true. It has only shown that there was insufficient evidence for a court case to proceed.

correct . the majority of the cases were decided on issues of "standing " or denied without opinion by the court .
This was true especially in SCOTUS where the justices (mostly correct in my view ) did not want to deal with Presidential election disputes because that is not a legitimate role of the courts . Clarence Thomas opposed their decisions but recent justices appointed by Trump sided with the court (Kavanaugh and Barrett) .

The court getting involved in the 2000 election after the Goracle filed suit was the mistake that opened the barn door . Presidential elections are state run and there should be very little involvement at the national level either legislative or judicial .

Dunno, when you use the term Big Tech, do you really mean the main stream Social sites or actual all of the tech sector including the computer manufactures ?Fair enough observation. The evidence has pointed to Facebook, Twitter, and several big media news sites. The burying of the HB laptop story unquestionably (irrefutably) affected a close race in favor of Biden. It's very troubling that the FBI was orchestrating much of this.

The burying of the HB laptop story unquestionably (irrefutably) affected a close race in favor of Biden. It's very troubling that the FBI was orchestrating much of this.
Do you really believe that the American people at large give a care what the Ivory Tower dwellers do, without the associated spin ?
If that was the case why are there so many multi-millionaires in either house.
I know that the pursuant of money represents the American Dream, but really...

Do you really believe that the American people at large give a care what the Ivory Tower dwellers do, without the associated spin ?If the American people would not have cared, then why do you suppose the story was buried? Would we have cared that a candidate for pres's son was engaged in illegal activity with a foreign government and daddy Biden was lying about his involvement in it? Ya think?

Was it purposely buried or was it merely the grand Social echo chamber at work ??
Look at how often trending items change on Twitter..
People just got bored of it all. They know the inhabitants of the Hill are generally crooks, so just chalked it up to that, or another attack story in the political arena.

Was it purposely buried or was it merely the grand Social echo chamber at work ??I thought you were keeping up with this.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/12/05/smoking-gun-reveals-fbi-meddled-in-election-warned-twitter-during-weekly-meeting-on-hunter-laptop-1314472/

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-held-weekly-meetings-twitter-134909110.html

I thought you were keeping up with this.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/12/05/smoking-gun-reveals-fbi-meddled-in-election-warned-twitter-during-weekly-meeting-on-hunter-laptop-1314472/

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-held-weekly-meetings-twitter-134909110.html

Nope, don't trust politicos as far as I could throw them.

Yahoo.com is a "politico"??? On what planet?

Yahoo.com is a "politico"??? On what planet?
Not yahoo, the actual politicians.
We know they are using their contacts to their own ends, and bending, if not breaking laws on route.

So since Biden is guilty, then everyone must be guilty? That seems like a philosophy of convenience.

It is confirmed even the compliant press admits it now

CBS news correspondent Catherine Herridge reported that she was able to confirm the authenticity of data in Hunter Biden’s former laptop.

Copy of what's believed to be Hunter Biden's laptop data turned over by repair shop to FBI showed no tampering, analysis says - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-data-analysis/)

Hunter Biden Paid Tax Bill, but Federal Investigation Goes On - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html)


Hard drive containing Hunter Biden laptop data examined by two forensic experts - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/)

Elon Musk is the latest , What he is doing is opening to the public Twiitter's role in the cover up .

He has been giving them to columnist Matt Taibbi who has been releasing then piece by piece in his Twitter post . It is not really the best way to make Twitter's role public and it can be tedious to follow ; but here it is with the promise of more to be released
Matt Taibbi on Twitter: "1. Thread: THE TWITTER FILES" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394)

The point is that it is now an irrefutable fact that the administration pressured ;and the press and big tech social platforms willing and /or unwillingly went along with a de-facto censoring of news that had a direct bearing on the 2020 Presidential race .

So since Biden is guilty, then everyone must be guilty? That seems like a philosophy of convenience.
Show me an honest politician....

Show me a totally honest anyone.


The point is that it is now an irrefutable fact that the administration pressured ;and the press and big tech social platforms willing and /or unwillingly went along with a de-facto censoring of news that had a direct bearing on the 2020 Presidential race .And if that can be referred to as "meaningless", then the word has itself become meaningless.

Show me a totally honest anyone.


The point is that it is now an irrefutable fact that the administration pressured ;and the press and big tech social platforms willing and /or unwillingly went along with a de-facto censoring of news that had a direct bearing on the 2020 Presidential race .And if that can be referred to as "meaningless", then the word has itself become meaningless.
Unethical for sure, however is that unconstitutional ?

Well, at least it now seems to be accepted as meaningful, even if being merely "unethical" is, it appears, OK.

Well, at least it now seems to be accepted as meaningful, even if being merely "unethical" is, it appears, OK.

As we were talking about the recent utterance by Mr Trump, you dragged this towards Biden's laptop and Twitter/FBI burying the story.
Tom mentioned constitution violations, without any further details, and I was interested to know what they are.
So, I ask again, is this unconstitutional and would it be the root of Mr Trump's recent ire ?

uncharted territory . The 1st amendment is clear

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

However does the executive pressuring the press to suppress speech and assembly breach the 1st amendment ? I think it does ;and if it doesn't then Trump is right .......the protections in the Constitution are meaningless.

This is what Trump wrote on 'Truth ' today

The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS. What I said was that when there is “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!

@realDonaldTrump's post | Truth Social (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109462304115605769)

Another example of Trump's subtle approach??

As to the rest, here is the problem as I see it. When faced with Trump's quote, CB wrote, "This utterly beggars belief. Can those with access to Truth Social quote the actual post, so we can all draw our own conclusions on this...Would be interested on @tomder55 and @jlisenbe's take on this."

When faced with Biden's misconduct and the election tampering of the press, he said, "So, generally pretty meaningless," in post 11. So it sure seem to be ideology at work here. What am I missing?

Unfortunately the narrative that will stick is that Trump believes it is ok to terminate the Constitution to steal elections . Just like the narrative being made about the Hunter laptop is not about Biden crime family corruption but old news about Hunter's drug fueled perverse behavior .

The stuff that is not being discussed is how the law enforcement agency was recruited by the Dems to pressure social media to suppress the 1st amendment right of speech and press . There is where the REAL threat to the Constitution is found .

And it is not just the FBI . The press allies of both parties routinely hire former government intel, CIA ,and Pentagon officials to tell us what we can think .

One thing to consider ;had the legacy media the so called gate keepers of truth ....like the NY Slimes and the Washington Compost had done their jobs ;then alternate sites like Twitter would not be necessary and most likely would not have suppressed the story .Real journalism would have tracked down and authenticated the laptop materials.They in fact did so 2 years later when the info did not have the impact it would've had in the Presidential contest . Real journalism would not have given Quid Pro Joe a pass when he dismissed the story as Russian disinformation. Real journalism would've demanded proof of the intel agents of their contention that it was all Russian disinformation.

Unfortunately the narrative that will stick is that Trump believes it is ok to terminate the Constitution to steal elections .

Nothing unfortunate about it. It's the truth.

Last week Trump dined with Fuentes & West. Nick Fuentes, the pro-Putin leader of the America First Political Action Conference, is a holocaust-denying neo-Nazi fan of Adolf Hitler. This week Trump said we should terminate all rules, regulations etc “even those in the Constitution" to overturn the election.

Why do you defend this unhinged nut job? When you lie down with dogs, you'll get fleas.

yes 'When you lie down with dogs, you'll get fleas.'
Does this meeting of Senator Biden with racist Strom Thurman prove that Biden is a racist too ?

https://jacksonfreepress.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2019/06/28/Strom-Thurmond-and-Joseph-Biden_AP_8611201123_AP-Photo_Scott-Applewhite_web_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf7 08e3fa67d9af9d


Does this meeting of the emperor and Nation of Islam racists antisemite Louis Farrakhan prove the emperor is a racist antisemite ?


https://www.thecharlottepost.com/clientuploads/v43n22photos/Obama-Farrakhan_photo.gif

You will say no it doesn't prove anything and you would be right .


In the same comment I wrote ;The stuff that is not being discussed is how the law enforcement agency was recruited by the Dems to pressure social media to suppress the 1st amendment right of speech and press . There is where the REAL threat to the Constitution is found .

Now we know why . The previous Twitter ownership hired former FBI council James Baker as an attorney for Twitter . He was vetting the stuff Musk was releasing about the Hunter Biden lap top and excluding the material that involved the FBI pressure on Twitter to suppress the lap top from the platform.

Musk found out about it and fired Baker yesterday
Elon Musk on Twitter: "@mtaibbi In light of concerns about Baker’s possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue, he was exited from Twitter today" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1600237095364096000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1600237095364096000%7Ctwgr% 5E35f7fec6b843d4233ba726d748b301a7829e00f9%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnews%2 Fnational%2Fny-elon-musk-fire-lawyer-jim-baker-twitter-20221207-vgvypknervfy3iuvujw36mpfnm-story.html)

James Baker also played a key role in the Russia collusion hoax and the FBI coup attempt against Trump.

yes 'When you lie down with dogs, you'll get fleas.'
Does this meeting of Senator Biden with racist Strom Thurman prove that Biden is a racist too ?

Does this meeting of the emperor and Nation of Islam racists antisemite Louis Farrakhan prove the emperor is a racist antisemite ?

You will say no it doesn't prove anything and you would be right .

In the same comment I wrote ;The stuff that is not being discussed is how the law enforcement agency was recruited by the Dems to pressure social media to suppress the 1st amendment right of speech and press . There is where the REAL threat to the Constitution is found .


Whataboutism, anyone?

This week Trump said we should terminate all rules, regulations etc “even those in the Constitution" to overturn the election.That is NOT what Trump said.

Whataboutism, anyone? Did you condemn or end your support for the emperor or Biden for their racism and antisemitism ? You have to be careful about getting fleas and all that

Did you condemn or end your support for the emperor or Biden for their racism and antisemitism ? You have to be careful about getting fleas and all that

If you want to change the topic (which you did), start a new thread.