At Disney you can change your gender with no problem, but changing your birthdate requires jumping through hoops. Why can't I simply self-identify as 45?

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why do they need gender info at all ?

And why would they need age other than below 18 (minors) and above some "senior" figure of 60, 65, or whatever? For most people, why would age be a consideration so central that it requires Disney's approval to change?

At least there is no shortage of candidates for the "Lunacy on Steroids Award". Blake Allen, a freshman student at Randolph Union High School in Vermont, has the crazy idea that she should be allowed to undress in a locker room without being in the presence of a male. When that happened, she lodged a complaint and was found guilty of exercising her right to free speech in speaking with other students about it. Blake said this.


The school began an investigation into the comments I made in class and banned our entire girls’ volleyball team from using the girls’ locker room. The co-principals notified me that I was found guilty of harassment and bullying of "a student on the basis of the targeted student’s gender identity." As punishment, school officials told me I must take part in a "restorative justice circle" with the equity coordinator, submit a "reflective essay," and serve out-of-school suspension.

Thankfully, she exercised some courage and is fighting back. She has filed a lawsuit against the school which she will likely win. Thank goodness there is still some common sense to be found in Vermont. Predictably, on the same day that she filed suit, the superintendent rescinded the disciplinary actions that had been taken against her, thus showing yet again that if we pushback against these cowardly robots, they will cave like a house of cards.

yeah lunacy is running rampant in the country

NY they are letting criminals walk bail free . DC they voted to reduce penalties for car jacking and gun violence .

DC Council Lowers Sentences for Gun Crimes as Homicides Surge (freebeacon.com) (https://freebeacon.com/democrats/dc-council-reduces-criminal-penalties-amid-violent-crime-wave/)

But in Waco Texas a woman was handcuffed in front of her son and thrown in jail for the heinous crime of making him walk a half mile home on safe suburban streets .
Heather Wallace ;a certified educator was charged with endangering a child, a felony carrying a mandatory minimum of two years in prison.

A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block.
As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace.
This statement struck her as odd.
"They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says.
The officer then asked Wallace whether she would let her son walk home again, now that she knew about the sex trafficking.
"I still didn't know it was illegal and I said, 'I don't know,'" says Wallace. "That's when the cop replied, 'Okay, I'm going to have to arrest you.'"
Mother Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-12 months-Outdated Son Strolling Half a Mile - Sociorep (https://sociorep.com/mother-handcuffed-jailed-for-8-12-months-outdated-son-strolling-half-a-mile/)

yeah lunacy is running rampant in the country

NY they are letting criminals walk bail free . DC they voted to reduce penalties for car jacking and gun violence .

DC Council Lowers Sentences for Gun Crimes as Homicides Surge (freebeacon.com) (https://freebeacon.com/democrats/dc-council-reduces-criminal-penalties-amid-violent-crime-wave/)

But in Waco Texas a woman was handcuffed in front of her son and thrown in jail for the heinous crime of making him walk a half mile home on safe suburban streets .
Heather Wallace ;a certified educator was charged with endangering a child, a felony carrying a mandatory minimum of two years in prison.

A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block.
As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace.
This statement struck her as odd.
"They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says.
The officer then asked Wallace whether she would let her son walk home again, now that she knew about the sex trafficking.
"I still didn't know it was illegal and I said, 'I don't know,'" says Wallace. "That's when the cop replied, 'Okay, I'm going to have to arrest you.'"
Mother Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-12 months-Outdated Son Strolling Half a Mile - Sociorep (https://sociorep.com/mother-handcuffed-jailed-for-8-12-months-outdated-son-strolling-half-a-mile/)

Your sociorep link is so badly written, I was suspicious and looked elsewhwere for the story. What I found was the most outrageous thing of the kind I have ever seen. Those cops and all concerned from the courts to the health/family officials badly need to be disciplined for gross incompetence.

That's my reaction from reading the story at REASON.com. Here's the link where it is properly written and has more outrageous details.

https://reason.com/2022/11/16/suburban-mom-jailed-handcuffed-cps-son-walk-home/?comments=true#comments


(https://reason.com/2022/11/16/suburban-mom-jailed-handcuffed-cps-son-walk-home/?comments=true#comments)

I had to erase my original post since, alas, I did not fully read and consider the response from Athos. After doing so, I found to my amazement that I agreed with him, thus showing that such things do happen. This comment of his was entirely correct. "What I found was the most outrageous thing of the kind I have ever seen. Those cops and all concerned from the courts to the health/family officials badly need to be disciplined for gross incompetence." My apologies for going off "half-cocked" on my original response.

Disney dumped the chump. They booted the CEO that went totally woke ;who destroyed their brand ;who made their stock garbage losing more than half its value .Good riddence Bob Chapek. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

All he did was destroy a century long reputation that the company was family friendly . This is a guy who managed to do the almost impossible destruction of the MCU universe with a series of shoddy TV series . He would've done the same to Star Wars if the franchise had not already been severely damaged by the prequel movies .

Previous CEO Bob Iger has been called to duty to fix the company . But Iger suffers from the same woke illusions . So I really don't see the rot in the company being cut out with this change . Chapek was just at the helm when the ship hit the iceberg. Iger steered it in that direction.

Woke Disney gave control of the company to an old white male .

If they go down, then good riddance. And that's sad to say, but they could have taken a stand for decency and common sense, and instead took a stand for craziness and, they thought, money.

Guessing parents in America don't want their kids watching a gay romance .

‘Strange World’ Is a Historic Bomb for Disney on a Weak Thanksgiving Box Office Weekend (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/video/strange-world-historic-bomb-disney-163156879.html)

'Strange World' Disney adventure stars first out gay teen, a 'loves out loud' mom and a three-legged dog (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/now/strange-world-disneys-new-adventure-stars-first-out-gay-teen-a-loves-out-loud-mom-and-a-three-legged-dog-172350412.html)

This is the woke agenda Disney promotes ..

Gender-Affirming Chest Reconstruction Among Transgender and Gender-Diverse Adolescents in the US From 2016 to 2019 | Adolescent Medicine | JAMA Pediatrics | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2797439)

389% !!!!!!!

The rest of the world calls this mutilation .

We call it gender affirming .

Disney is again involved in the culture wars
This one is a dozy.

Former wrestler Rhana Khan is suing the world . Her allegation is that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was the ringleader in a plot to kidnap her and her children . Among Johnson's co-defendants are ,(tighten your seat belts ), The State of Texas, The El Paso Child Protective Services, the FBI, The Las Cruces, New Mexico Police Department, The NYPD, The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, New York ACS, Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc., Shirley Police Department, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Suffolk County NY, The Miz and Maryse, Heath Miller, Nikki Bella, Chris Benoit (deceased since 2007), Mark Jindrak, Panda Energy (the now-defunct company that owned TNA), Home Depot, Florida Championship Wrestling (also now defunct), Steve Keirn, The NWA, Billy Corgan, Deep South Wrestling (defunct), Bank of America, Michael Jordan, several universities, Jim Cornette, Mick Foley, New York City area energy company Con Edison and more like rapper Eminem, and model Naomi Campbell.


U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York is where the suit was filed.She got the go ahead in February to proceed .

Now when Johnny Depp was subject to being frivolously sued by his ex-wife ,Disney began looking to replace him in the 'Pirates of the Carribean 'franchise . The Rock was a logical choice .He proved to be a winner in Disney movies like 'Race to Witch Mountain' , 'The Game Plan', .Moana' , and The Jungle Cruise.

But when they got word of the absurd allegation about him ,they dropped him like a Rock.


Dwayne Johnson Axed From Disney Franchise Amid $3 Billion Lawsuit - Inside the Magic (https://insidethemagic.net/2023/05/dwayne-johnson-axed-disney-movie-amid-lawsuit-ab1/#:~:text=Dwayne%20Johnson%20Axed%20From%20Disney%2 0Franchise%20Amid%20%243%20Billion%20Lawsuit,-in%20Entertainment)

But when they got word of the absurd allegation about him ,they dropped him like a Rock.It makes me wish I still watched Disney movies so I could stop watching Disney movies.

'Jungle Cruise' was surprisingly good .
I went into it thinking it was going to be a rip off of the Bogart and Hepburn 'The African Queen' ,
It was not ;although the Disney amusement park ride was based in part by Walt Disney's love of 'The African Queen' . The similarity is that in both movies they are being pursued by Germans . 'Jungle Cruise ' is predicated on the search for a tree that has magical powers. It is more a rip off of 'Avitar ', The female heroine is more of an action figure like a female Indiana Jones than the sophisticated Hepburn .

Anyway ;The Rock is an audience magnet and if Disney is basing it's business decision on this bizzarro law suit then they are the fools .

Cori Bush, a dem (naturally) from Missouri has decided that the relatively new-found ability of the Congress to spend money it does not have will now extend to reparations to the tune of 14 trillion dollars.

How do we manage to elect people this stupid?


Rep. Cori Bush, D-Mo., held a press conference on Wednesday unveiling her Reparations Now resolution, which declares "that the United States has a moral and legal obligation to provide reparations for the enslavement of Africans and its massive harm on the lives of millions." She suggested the total amount would be at least $14 trillion, which she described as the gap in wealth between Black and Whites.

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No grooming from drag queens. Just fun reading books. I'd worry more about those kids' uncles and stepdads.

Yes, you would.

Yes, you would.
At least there are years of evidence that uncle and stepdad grooming and abuse happened. By the clergy too. Nobody's complaining about drag queens who don't have time to be alone with a child to sexually abuse him/her.

No one???

https://www.womenarehuman.com/yet-another-drag-queen-arrested-for-child-sexual-abuse-images/

https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2022/06/central-pa-drag-queen-activist-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography-police.html

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/04/25/one-of-those-harmless-story-hour-drag-queens-was-just-sentenced-for-11-charges-of-child-sexual-abuse/

https://www.newsweek.com/sex-offender-busted-drag-queen-who-read-book-children-city-library-1365384

Bet you're scared at Halloween too when costumed adults accompany kids who trick or treat. Ever call the police?

When pervert men dressed up as gharish women show up in kindergarten, they should be asked to leave. Any comparison with Halloween is plain stupid.

Pervert men? Hmm... that needs more context. Of course, YOU'd never wear a dress and wig and make-up, even if your grandkids begged you to. You be a hunka-hunka real man!

Correct. I do not wear dresses, wigs, make-up, etc. I think I can safely say that the vast majority of men would say the same thing.

What did you think of all the links showing the "no ones" who had pressed charges against these perverts?

Anyone who pressed charges is running scared, is very likely a pervert, and fears being noticed and accused.

You didn't even bother to read the articles. The children who were abused are, in your mind, "running scared". What a sick view of life you have.

Probably because people like you needlessly warn and scare them. I'm sure drag queen performers are well vetted and adults are nearby watching and enjoying the story.

Yeah. Those unreasonable, perverted, sick little children. How dare they allow themselves to be molested by your beloved drag queens!!

You are beginning more and more to resemble a sick-o yourself. That is a really perverted point of view you have. To hxll with the children as long as the drag queens are protected. No wonder you are a supporter of abortion.

I dare you -- DOUBLE DARE YOU -- to attend a drag-queen story time, and interview not only the drag queens but also the teachers and librarians who arranged and are monitoring the fun. Chicken bwak bwak.

Read the links and then be ashamed of yourself.

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/349071033_1368309777350517_2661666190375498454_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=y69vamC-uU8AX9JqB1v&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCMrDizK_fiZeVSgfy9KJn8slsB997Jyg8aNkcoVECu fQ&oe=6474117E

I loved that character!

September 17, 1972 – February 28, 1983

Ahead of the times!

You miss the bigger issue. Target is marketing female swim suits that have a "tuck-friendly" space in the crotch for male sex parts "“Thoughtfully Fit on Multiple Body Types and Gender Expressions.”
The original claim that they were marketing them for children appears to be incorrect although they are also offering a full line of LGBTQ++XZY -friendly apparel ;including children's clothes .The swim suits with space for junk are in adult sizes .

Facing a Bud Lite backlash ,Target has moved the merchandize to the back of the store in some locations . The merchandize appears to be a full line of "Pride" items .

They have a right to cater to a very small fringe and people have a right to not shop at Target . How's that working out for Bud Lite ?
Bud Light Boycott Already Costs Anheuser-Busch $15.7 Billion | Investor's Business Daily (investors.com) (https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/bud-light-boycott-already-costs-anheuser-busch-15-7-billion/)

Why is transgender such a threat??? LGBTQ+ has existed since the beginning of time.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/inclusive-insight/201809/has-gender-always-been-binary

MAGA terrorist hoodlums protesting Target's Pride clothing line burn down a Target store

Story here

Fire breaks out at second Buckhead Target location this year (atlantanewsfirst.com) (https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/03/15/fire-reported-target-peachtree-road-buckhead/)

Murder, adultery, rape, robbery, child abuse, mental illnesses of all kinds, lying, cheating, slander, libel, and many other pathologies have existed since the beginning of time, so I guess we'll just have to accept them all since, after all, they have existed "since the beginning of time." Well, not really, but the illogic of the statement just grabbed me.

Here is another example of MAGA thugs looting a Target

Watch | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=350738099232702)

Yep. Those conservative loons are the biggest terror threat in the whole country.

btw Newsweek confirms the backlash against woke.

Go Woke, Go Broke? Millennials Say It's True (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/millennials-most-likely-support-go-woke-go-broke-poll-1801438)


DeSantis will be recognized as one of the biggest early champions and the face of the anti-woke reaction.

The term 'woke' is a colloquialism that has emerged in recent years. Its definition is to be "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)," according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Yeah that watered down definition is what they would have you believe. In reality woke is just another term for leftist progressive social justice activism intended to fundamentally change the US to a socialist nation.

The term 'woke' is a colloquialism that has emerged in recent years. Its definition is to be "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)," according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Yeah that watered down definition is what they would have you believe. In reality woke is just another term for leftist progressive social justice activism intended to fundamentally change the US to a socialist nation.
Nope. Not recent either.

"The definition of 'woke' changes depending on who you ask.

The term has recently been used by some conservatives as an insult against progressive values (https://abcnews.go.com/US/debates-diversity-classroom-push-teachers-schools/story?id=88291619).

The term, however, was originally coined by progressive Black Americans and used in racial justice movements in the early to mid-1900s.

To be 'woke' politically in the Black community means that someone is informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and racial inequality, Merriam-Webster Dictionary states."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/woke-conservatives/story?id=9305113 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/woke-conservatives/story?id=93051138)8

Here's some "woke" for you.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1662626491023208454

Why can't we all just get along!!!!! I have Lutheran and Muslim and Sikh and Mormon and Catholic and Hindu and agnostic and atheist and and and friends. It's not difficult. Love one another! (I'm on steroids to up my hemoglobin level. Prednisone makes ME happy and hungry!)

Sorry that your health is not good. That's not fun.

Since April 2018. Aplastic anemia. The worst kind of anemia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyXC59BXgAI9qeb?format=jpg&name=small

The Flags on the left and right are the flags I fly in pride. For the 'People's House to prominently display another flag on equal footing is infamnia .

e)The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.

4 U.S. Code § 7 - Position and manner of display | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7#:~:text=No%20other%20flag%20or%20pennant,the%20p ersonnel%20of%20the%20Navy.)

And that's the repubs responsible for that.

in this case I was referring to the White House as the People's House.

White House History Moments - Where does the name "People’s House" come from? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFruTQ4w-Q)

In that case, I feel better.

the term People's House has been hijacked by people like Madame MImi and Pence.
Jefferson insisted it be called 'The Capitol' instead of the other proposal of the time ;'The Congress House'. That was in line of the Founder's fascination with the Roman Republic.... Capitol being associated with the Temple of Jupiter on Capitoline Hill Capitoline meaning "indestructible" or "eternal" .

At the White House Pride Event .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FydmoV7WwAEzgeU.jpg

Uhm...I wonder which one is the man and which one is the woman. (<:

. The one jiggling the fake breasts is Transformer Rose Montoya He/She/It went topless right after shaking hands and posing with Clueless Joe. The other one that looks like a man is "trans kid" Jazz Jennings who had a double mastectomy surgical mutilation and chemically mutilating puberty blockers .

Clueless Joe championed these mutilations for minors at the event and spoke of the need to "affirm" kids, saying that the laws protecting children are dangerous ;that these laws "attack the most basic values and freedoms we have as Americans."

This event at the White House was advertised as "family friendly"

When Montoya posed for a selfie with Clueless Montoya said trans rights are human rights "That is code for men entering women's sports ;lockers; bathrooms and to appropriate women's identity.



Decorum is gone . Cling to your taboos .

On a certain level your heart has to go out to these people. What level of mental illness and deception would it take for them to go to such tragic lengths to try and get some emotional stability? We should have compassion for those people while never accepting this kind of delusion, and certainly it should not be celebrated or written into law.

Uhm...I wonder which one is the man and which one is the woman. (<:
Why do you care?

Because it reflects on the gross deception some are trying to pull our culture into.

I just have to count on the fact that it is fad that will go away . Maybe when some of the people in the medical community come out and explain how wrong they got it.

We can only hope. In the meantime, great damage is being done. I'm convinced a large part of this is a general rebellion against the teachings of the Bible. It's a sort of, "We will do our own thing," kind of approach to living.

Because it reflects on the gross deception some are trying to pull our culture into.
No deception. Am friends with several trans women who don't know each other. Their stories are very similar regarding dysthymia and then gender-affirming changes and gender-affirming surgery that were done so they would resemble their identified gender.

There are people who believe they are cats and have plastic surgery done in order to have some resemblance to a cat face. There are thin people who are convinced they are too fat and will literally starve themselves to death. There are beautiful women who are convinced they are ugly. There are people who are convinced someone is out to kill them when, in fact, that is not the case. There are schoolchildren coming to school who are convinced they are cats and will purr in class. The person in the video below is convinced he is a...wolf. The great common denominator is that they, along with the trans community, are convinced that something is true when it is actually not. So all you can say is that you know some people who were, and are, in a state of deception.

When you try to say that some people with vaginas are men, then you join that community of deceived people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOt4jsV59uw

This for a start

Gay Biology teacher speaks out against transformer mutilations.

WATCH: California biology teacher speaks out against transgender ideology | National Report - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJgJGmS3EDI)

There are people who believe they are cats and have plastic surgery done in order to have some resemblance to a cat face. There are thin people who are convinced they are too fat and will literally starve themselves to death. There are beautiful women who are convinced they are ugly. There are people who are convinced someone is out to kill them when, in fact, that is not the case. There are schoolchildren coming to school who are convinced they are cats and will purr in class. The person in the video below is convinced he is a...wolf. The great common denominator is that they, along with the trans community, are convinced that something is true when it is actually not. So all you can say is that you know some people who were, and are, in a state of deception.

When you try to say that some people with vaginas are men, then you join that community of deceived people.
Eddicate yerself a bit!

Eddicate yerself a bit!Try giving an intelligent, informed answer rather than this ridiculous nonsense. I'll post my reply again to give you a second chance. There will be no third opportunity.

There are people who believe they are cats and have plastic surgery done in order to have some resemblance to a cat face. There are thin people who are convinced they are too fat and will literally starve themselves to death. There are beautiful women who are convinced they are ugly. There are people who are convinced someone is out to kill them when, in fact, that is not the case. There are schoolchildren coming to school who are convinced they are cats and will purr in class. The person in the video below is convinced he is a...wolf. The great common denominator is that they, along with the trans community, are convinced that something is true when it is actually not. So all you can say is that you know some people who were, and are, in a state of deception.

When you try to say that some people with vaginas are men, then you join that community of deceived people.

Before and after photos of one example.

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Gay Biology teacher speaks out against transformer mutilations.The guy was evidently suspended for his remarks. How have we reached the point where a teacher is suspended for saying that females are females and males are males?

Try giving an intelligent, informed answer rather than this ridiculous nonsense. I'll post my reply again to give you a second chance. There will be no third opportunity.
One transgender woman friend's experience --



Therapist. Begin full time presentation 24/7/365
Initiate name change, restroom letter.
Therapy until HRT letter
Endocrinology appointment, prescribes meds.
Get meds at pharmacy
Continue therapy six months after start of Hormones. Can be rough. (Psychiatrist writes letter of mental readiness?)
Prepare for surgery.
Two letters from non-affiliated therapists, one at PhD level. Surgery is serious. Two opinions required before surgery. Verification that surgery is right for that person. Make sure there is no underlying issue that could be made worse if surgery is too soon.
Surgeries
Gender changes. Depends on state policy
Update birth certificate, if possible.


Live life. Then of course new legal name on driver's license, banks, insurance, etc. Name can be whatever you want. No one is required to change.

Indicating one has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and should be allowed to use restroom of target gender. Insurance type letter stating legal reason to be there. One of the thing the restroom zealots are not aware of. We carry the letter 24/7/365. Rapists and molesters will not have said letter. No sex drive with hormones.

A high level of Estrogen in my blood and lack of some male characteristics. I have no Adams apple, never had much body hair, have always had feminine facial features, etc

I didn't fully masculinize in the womb.

Chromosome check was expensive, but it helped me transition quicker.

When did I get a DNA check? 2001. It's not essential, just another sign of dysphoria

I knew at age 7. Just couldn't do anything about it until transitioning became legal here.

No, it's not a choice. You do have to be evaluated though. Someone who says they are trans will react badly to HRT if they are just playing. They freak because they have a male mind that can't handle estrogen. Genetically I am 50% male/ 50% female. That's the 47 XXY. Yes. I am a member of the smallest minority section of trans people.

Wow. One whole person’s experience?

Anecdotal stories prove absolutely nothing.

You have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.

Wow. One whole person’s experience?

Anecdotal stories prove absolutely nothing.

You has have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.
Google for more info. Talk honestly with a doctor. Her experience was very true and she acted correctly (was in her 40s) and did exactly what should be done -- counseling first. It took her five years to go thru this.

I do not agree with puberty blockers for kids and starting too early. Counseling, yes == especially regarding how to deal with bullying and mean teasing (by kids, family members, etc.).

You have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.
What's true?

Her mother was given estrogen etc. during her pregnancy because the doctor feared a miscarriage. DES was administered to risky cases from the '30s until the '70s. Lots of cases were unresolved, thus the spate of women now transitioning..

Google for more info. Talk honestly with a doctor.Just the usual "I have no support for my pov, so please see if you can find something." No, you need to find your own material.

What's true??? Your DES nonsense has been shown to be false so many times that you are bordering on lying now, but I'll post this one more final time. Women transitioning now because of DES usage would be at least fifty years old since that was stopped in 1971. Anyone younger than that age which is, of course, the vast majority of cases, cannot appeal to that. So please stop letting that be your "go to" data since you have seen repeatedly how foolish it is. Even worse, there is no evidence that DES causes gender dysphoria. DES was stopped because it seemed to have a connection with cancer. The link below will validate what I have said. If you continue using this fake news after today, now that the truth is readily available to you, then you will be open to the accusation of lying, or at the very least having a "fast and loose" association with the truth.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/medical-treatments/des-exposure.html#:~:text=Estrogens%20are%20still%20pr escribed%20for%20some%20medical%20reasons%2C,in%20 the%20United%20States%20for%20use%20in%20humans.

Just the usual "I have no support for my pov, so please see if you can find something." No, you need to find your own material.
I have, even a personal journey by a trans woman.


What's true??? Your DES nonsense

https://rscbayarea.com/learn/male-infertility/des

Some researchers have been studying (http://www.religioustolerance.org/why-are-some-people-transgender-3.htm) the brains of MTF and FTM trans men and women using Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) and other measuring techniques. They have found that transgender persons have internal structures between their brain’s two hemispheres that match their current identified gender, not their birth-identified sex. Other researchers test the reactions of transgender persons’ brains to chemicals and sounds. They also find that their brains’ reactions match those of cisgender persons who share their gender identity. So, when a trans person refers to themselves as having “a female brain in a male body,” or vice-versa, their statement is factually true.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religioustolerance/2018/01/des-transgender/

My heartiest congratulations on your posting links to two articles, neither of which gave a single shred of support for your now discounted DES theory.

As to the MRI research one of the articles discussed, there might be something there, but it's terribly suspicious that this link (researchers have been studying (http://www.religioustolerance.org/why-are-some-people-transgender-3.htm) ) turns out to be a link to nowhere. But since your absurd DES theory has been completely and totally discredited, perhaps we can proceed on in a more promising direction.

This is the first HUGE concern I have about your MRI article. There has been a significant amount of research showing that there are no significant differences between male and female brains. Oh well.


A new study dispels the myths that there’s anything fundamentally different about men's and women’s brains. In fact, most people have some sort of mix of brain features typically categorized as “male” or “female,” researchers from Israel, Germany, and Switzerland found.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/71811/there-no-difference-between-male-and-female-brains-study-finds

The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses. No, we're not all pure male or female. Except, apparently, you are a pure male.

From Quora:

Are there any transgender animals?

When we associate trans and gender we are talking about social behaviors that are more inline with the opposite biological sex. This can apply to any species.

Take a look at the two famous male chinstrap penguins, Roy and Silo, born 1987 in New York City’s Central Park Zoo.

They were noted by staff at the zoo in 1998 to be performing mating rituals, and one of them in 1999 attempted to hatch a rock as if it were an egg. This inspired zoo keepers to give them an egg from a pair of penguins, which could not hatch it, resulting in both of them raising a chick that was named Tango.

Tango herself was viewed in a similar situation with another female penguin. Roy and Silo drifted apart after several years, and in 2005, Silo paired with a female penguin called Scrappy. Roy and Silo's story has been made into a children’s book and featured in a play. The practice of allowing pairs of male penguin couples to adopt eggs has been repeated in other zoos around the world. Both Tango and Roy have since died.

I have a good friend who has been a farmer all of her life. Here is something she personally shared with me about living on a farm you might find interesting.

I believe I was given the privilege to grow up on a farm and to be surrounded by God’s creation-nature. You can’t help but see a pattern in which things work. Honestly, wouldn’t a God of loving kindness also create us to be able to perform within this pattern and the very roles and task at hand? Yet one would see at times that didn’t always happen. For instance, probably the thing that stood out the most was at the time of birth. Though I saw it in all forms of different life/animals. I will use cows since we had a lot of them. I was always fascinated how the cow that gave birth just knew how to take care of the new born. I believe we as humans have the same ability to be able to do these things. I think sometimes we may over think and worry about things instead of trusting what God has given us, yet every so often, we would have a cow that didn’t know how to do that. This cow often times acted more like a male cow. So often we would have to bottle feed the little calf or if we were fortunate, another cow would accept this calf as their own.

I am a post-op transgender woman and want to make one thing very clear, not all trans people are alike. Unfortunately, there are some who seem to be more into sexual fetishes, such as clothes. I only cross-dressed a few time in my youth when I was struggling with severe gender dysphoria and even then in private. My conflict actually led me to try and end my life twice just during my teenage years. All the time never understand why I felt the way I did. My identity has always been female although I was born male. My natural instincts have always been toward mothering. Even as a small child having and caring for a baby was ingrained in my heart. Children often dream of what they will be when they grow up. Some believe they will be a astronaut, while others a doctor or teacher. My dream was to be a mother.

Because I was born long before the word trans was even coined I was raised to believe that I had to conform to male expectations, yet I always knew who I was on the inside. What’s more other people saw it even when I was trying so hard to fit in with other boys. Boys avoided me because I didn’t think or play like them. In fact, I was even sexually assaulted at the age of 14, in the boys locker room at school, while only trying to live and present as male. I was not gay, but other boys saw me as female and just assumed I was. I was not attracted to men, at least as a man. What’s more I was not attracted to women, but because I wanted so badly to have children I married someone, who although presented female, didn’t not have the same nurturing instincts as I did. We had two sons and eventually split up because she started abusing them as small children. I took full custody of them at a very early age and raised them as a single parent until adulthood. The last words she spoke to me as I walked out the door with our children was, “Well you got you wish, you always wanted to be the mother.” I never tried to imply this all throughout our marriage, but she saw it.

I never understood what trans was until I broke down and went to a psychologist for help. My depression and dysphoria had gotten so bad that all I could think about was dying. When they told me what it meant to be born trans it was like a light went on in my head and I knew instantly this had been my problem all my life. When they told me the only known cure was to transition I was not excited, I was terrified. All my life I had struggled to be a man and had become very successful. To transition meant sacrificing all that I had worked so hard to build, yet I knew deep in my heart I had to try. I couldn’t go on living with my disparity. So I came out and started my transition. People were shocked. They saw the real me for the first time. People would ask me, ”How did you ever live as a man, you are so much girl on the inside?” It was like a flood gate opened up and all of me poured out. Even thought, my body was damaged by male puberty, no one questions my being a woman. Because who I am is in my heart. Did my transition change the way I think? Not in the least! I am still the same person I was before. The only difference is now I am just living as who I have always been on the inside.

It saddens me that trans has become so controversial, thanks to pridefully self-righteous people, both cis and trans. I’m not trying to upend or corrupt society, I am just living my life as the woman I have always been in my heart. I have my sons who are growing now and five adorable grandchildren who love me as the women I have always been.

I don’t walk in pride, and am a humble person who loves God and my neighbor as myself. My being trans in a way has helped a lot of people who struggle with relationships by helping them understand the struggles that are unique to both males and females.

The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses. No, we're not all pure male or female. Except, apparently, you are a pure male.There is no shred of evidence to support any of that. It has all been completely debunked by anyone who has any concern at all for the truth. That does not seem to include you.

As to the article you posted, it unsurprisingly contains not a single word about DES. It is nothing more than a series of recollections by a person plainly biased towards the TG position. Now there might be some biological connection to the TG situation, but you have so far failed to find it, and I doubt that you will. We'll see, but appealing to the occasional peculiar behaviors of animals is as silly as saying we should eat each other because, after all, that's what they do in the animal kingdom.

Why is the lgbtq+ community so scary to you?

They scare me not at all.

Why is the truth so scary to you?

Then why do you want to control them?

What truth?

I have no desire to control them at all.

What truth? The truth you consistently run from. For example, you continually put forward the fable of DES causing transgenderism (most recently with, "The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses.") despite the fact that the widespread use of DES stopped more than fifty years ago, thus making it impossible for that to account for the current tidal wave of TG cases in children and teens. This has been shown to you many times, but you ignore that because it is inconvenient for your narrative. So you apparently have no real regard for the truth at all, and when confronted with that, you respond with meaningless remarks such as, "What truth?" I have no doubt you have spread that absolute lie as far and wide as you can, and yet you know it cannot be true.

They scare me not at all.
Then why do you want to control them?


Why is the truth so scary to you?
What truth?

Please open your eyes and read. Both ridiculous comments have already been answered.


I have no desire to control them at all.

What truth? The truth you consistently run from. For example, you continually put forward the fable of DES causing transgenderism (most recently with, "The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses.") despite the fact that the widespread use of DES stopped more than fifty years ago, thus making it impossible for that to account for the current tidal wave of TG cases in children and teens. This has been shown to you many times, but you ignore that because it is inconvenient for your narrative. So you apparently have no real regard for the truth at all, and when confronted with that, you respond with meaningless remarks such as, "What truth?" I have no doubt you have spread that absolute lie as far and wide as you can, and yet you know it cannot be true.Yawn...

Thus, you want to control other people's lives and other people's raising of children.

Learn the meaning of "thus".

as a result or consequence of this; therefore:
"Burke knocked out Byrne, thus becoming champion"
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Stop dodging.

As a result or consequence of what statement by me? BE SPECIFIC!

Deflection. Accusing me in order to get the heat and attention off you.

About what I figured. You don’t have a clue. And as anyone can see, I did not accuse you. I simply made a very reasonable request.

Reread your posts and pretend I said them to you. I'm busy dealing with Athos' lawyer and am done here.

As usual, you have no answer. You were essentially done yesterday.

If you had used "influence" rather than "control", you would have had some success.

This absurdity just never ends.

The latest line by the Dems is that they can't keep men from women's lockers . Why ? Because they want to protect women. They claim that there will be someone groping women to verify they are women . I kid you not.


“I opposed this extreme bill because it is government overreach at its finest, it exposes girls and women to genital exams"

Congresswoman Lee Statement on Vote Against Genital Exams for Girls in Sports | Representative Susie Lee (https://susielee.house.gov/media/press-releases/congresswoman-lee-statement-vote-against-genital-exams-girls-sports)

GOP trans sports bill exposes children to genital inspections by sexual predators, Democrats warn (https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-trans-sports-bill-exposes-120447343.html)

To be ignored, of course, is that many men claiming to be women want to go into the women's locker room with the specific idea in mind of conducting those "genital exams" themselves.