Election night 2020 ...... Clueless and Jill Biden walked out to greet a cacophony of noise polluting honking cars full of supporters to tell them they were not worried .

“We feel good about where we are. We really do,”

Joe Biden speaks on 2020 Election Night - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C841aXI68w0)

This was before critical swing states that were leaning towards Trump were declared . Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania were determined too close to call by the compliant press and TV talking heads . But they did admit that most states were close to finishing their counts ,

Then abruptly these same pundits announced that these swing states were done counting for the night and would resume in the morning .

Somehow in that time between the suspension of the counts and the final counts were tallied , enough votes were "found" to swing 5 of those 6 states to Clueless.

<sarc>How fortuitous !
Good thing it was the "most secure election evvvvaaahhh or one might think there were " shenanigans " involved . Nothing to see here all you "election deniers "<sarc>


He preached patience 2 years ago and he again lectured us about patience during his "Republicans are a threat to democracy" address last week .

So are we looking at a rerun ?

This was before critical swing states that were leaning towards Trump were declared . Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania were determined too close to call by the compliant press and TV talking heads . But they did admit that most states were close to finishing their counts ,

Then abruptly these same pundits announced that these swing states were done counting for the night and would resume in the morning .

Somehow in that time between the suspension of the counts and the final counts were tallied , enough votes were "found" to swing 5 of those 6 states to Clueless.

How many times does this have to be explained to you and your fellow conspirators? What is it about plain language that you can't understand?

yeah I've heard all their lies before . The punditry had relied on Bellwether counties to reliably predict the winner previously . Well Trump won almost all of them ...... 18 of 19 .

I'll go with the probabilities .

Bellwether Counties Nearly Wiped Out by 2020 Election - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/bellwether-counties-nearly-wiped-out-by-2020-election-11605272400)

Tom supports his contention with facts. Disagree with his conclusion if you want to, but do it with a data-based argument. Intentionally demeaning statements such as, "How many times does this have to be explained to you and your fellow conspirators? What is it about plain language that you can't understand?" add nothing to the discussion. It reflects what I don't like about liberals. It usually boils down to an expectation that we accept what they say because...well, because they say it!

And right on cue, we get this from the White House. Reassuring! [SARC]


White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre was blasted Monday for saying that waiting a couple of days for results is how elections are "supposed to work."
"We may not know all the winners of elections for a few days. It takes time to count all legitimate ballots in a legal and orderly manner," Jean-Pierre told reporters at the White House press briefing. "That's how this is supposed to work."
I especially like the reassurance of knowing, "That's how this is supposed to work." I imagine she said that lie with a smile on her face. In the state of Mississippi, with our limited state financial means, votes will be counted and tallied by midnight.

2020 in France, where multiple parties and candidates run ,it took a matter of a few hours to complete the count and announce the projected results . Almost all French voters cast ballots in person on Election Day. Overseas territories began 2 days early The results were announced in each polling place within one or two hours after the closing time and then delivered to the Ministry of the Interior . Then they were announced nationally . Any slight changes were updates and made available immediately . In every case the initial projections did not change over time. One minor candidate had his projections inch up . But the only results that were critical were the 1st 2 places . Since neither had a 50% majority there was a run off election 2 weeks later .

All very predictable, stable, and reliable. For once we can learn from the French.

yeah I've heard all their lies before .

If it doesn't agree with you, it's all lies. Yeah, I've heard that before.

The only people that really won in 2020 were the legals employed in the numerous (60+) court cases !!!

Ben ; yes the Goracle let the horse out of the barn in 2000 by denying the election results in court .
Since then every campaign ;even for dog catcher ,needs to retain lawyers .

Interesting that the two Republican presidents in the 21st century BOTH LOST the popular vote, and were the two WORST presidents in US history. One was a war criminal, and the other a crook, philanderer, and moron (quotes from his personally appointed cabinet members). George Bush II and Orangeman.

Clearly the message from last night is forget about 2020 ......nobody cares . Repubs who were Trumpians did not fare well . Neither did Stacy Abrams in GA who conceded ;although it is not clear which contest she conceded 2020 or 2022 .

Trump should move on .He hurt the Repubs . The kangaroo court should be given the boot . American voters said 'nothing to see here ;time to move on '.

Curious about these discrepancies.

Democrat Michael Bennet had a 5.7 point polling lead in Colorado but won by 12.4.


Democrat Maggie Hassan had a 1.4 polling lead in New Hampshire but won by 9.9.


Democrat Patty Murray had a 3.0 polling lead in Washington but won by 14.


Democrat Uncle Festerman had a 0.4 polling deficit in Pennsylvania but won by 2.3.


Republican Ted Budd had a 6.2 polling lead in North Carolina but won by only 3.6.


Republican J.D. Vance had an 8.0 polling lead but won by 6.9.


The undecided races :

Republican Blake Masters had a 0.3 polling lead in Arizona but is behind by 6.


Republican Herschel Walker had a 1.4 polling lead in Georgia but is behind by 1.2.


Republican Ron Johnson had a 3.6 polling lead in Wisconsin but is ahead by only 1.2.


Republican Adam Laxalt had a 3.4 polling lead in Nevada but is ahead by 2.7.


Did the pollsters get all these races wrong ?...... or was there shenanigans in the counting ? Did the red wave run into the Dem fraud factor sea wall ?

The Chairman of Maricopa County's Board of Supervisors just said that there are around 400,000 ballots left to be counted and that they won't be done until "early next week."

banana republic style elections . But no reason to be suspicious of the results

nothing to see here move on

Democrat Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto is in a neck-and-neck race against GOP challenger Adam Laxalt

Officials in Nevada's Washoe County are providing explanations on why livestream cameras monitoring vote-counting went dark from Wednesday night to Thursday morning, saying there was a loss in connectivity that staffers didn't notice until they returned to work. They say the computer managing the livestream lost connection to the camera around 11:30 p.m. Wednesday night, and that that connection was not restored again until just before 8:00 a.m. They claim all the employees had already left for the night . 2020 in Georgia they made the mistake of leaving the cameras rolling . They won't make that mistake again. They claim a patch work of interrupted security camera footage proves that no one entered the building at night


Before the cameras stopped rolling

Republicans outpacing Democratic turnout so far on Election Day in Washoe County | KRNV (mynews4.com) (https://mynews4.com/news/local/republicans-outpacing-democratic-turnout-so-far-on-election-day-in-washoe-county-nevada-voter)

The next day .....

Washoe County dropped another batch of ballot results Thursday night. This put Washoe in the blue as a county.
The Nevada Senate race has continued to tighten now with Laxalt holding a 1% lead

Cortez Masto draws closer to Laxalt in Nevada Senate race | The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/3730786-cortez-masto-draws-closer-to-laxalt-in-nevada-senate-race/)

My gosh. This blatant dishonesty is becoming really disgusting.

Laxalt lead down to 800 votes . Bring in another couple of truck loads of pefilled ballots should seal the deal.

Key Largo - Counting Votes - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggJNrDf6S_4)

Either it is blatant cheating OR gross incompetence. Either way, every honest American should be outraged that those two states are in such a "state".

At this point either side is gearing and lawyered up for a recount , What a disgrace ! I do a disservice to 3rd world countries by comparing our elections to theirs .

When will we know who has won Nevada races? (fox5vegas.com) (https://www.fox5vegas.com/2022/11/10/when-will-we-know-who-has-won-nevada-races/)

a question about ethics . In Arizona the Sec State oversees the elections . But the Sec State Katie Hobbs is the Dem candidate for guv and it is a close race .

Should she have recused herself ?

Ariz. governor race: Next vote count for Lake, Hobbs could be pivotal (azcentral.com) (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/11/12/arizona-governor-vote-count-update-kari-lake-katie-hobbs-pivotal/10675267002/)

Interestingly the recriminations have started big time.
Who will the blame game finish with...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63618188

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-is-calling-his-political-allies-and-encouraging-them-to-blame-mitch-mcconnell-for-gops-poor-midterm-results-report-says/articleshow/95490472.cms

Both to blame . Yertle the Turtle McConnell is more comfortable being minority leader of the Senate .

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5fa2ffe2bc6d713169fffc871a872065.webp

keep counting until you get the results you want ..


that happened in NH . A seat called for Repubs flipped after a "recount" reversed a 23 vote Dem loss into a 1 vote Dem victory .

GOP margin in NH House shrinks following recount | New Hampshire Public Radio (nhpr.org) (https://www.nhpr.org/politics/2022-11-15/recount-flips-berlin-nh-house-race-to-democrat-shrinking-gop-margin)

Repubs foolishly are putting Yertle the Turtle in the position of Senate MINORITY leader . Sen Rick Scott ;a disaster in his own right ,challenged Yertle and was defeated . He is being stripped of all Repub leadership duties as a result.

that happened in NH . A seat called for Repubs flipped after a "recount" reversed a 23 vote Dem loss into a 1 vote Dem victory .I'm sure there is nothing to see there.

A seat called for Repubs flipped after a "recount" reversed a 23 vote Dem loss into a 1 vote Dem victory .

GOP margin in NH House shrinks following recount | New Hampshire Public Radio (nhpr.org) (https://www.nhpr.org/politics/2022-11-15/recount-flips-berlin-nh-house-race-to-democrat-shrinking-gop-margin)


Proof positive the Repubs tried to steal the election on the initial count. The recount established the truth. Just like you guys have been saying all along. There was another attempt to steal in NH which was also corrected by a recount in favor of a Democrat. It's all there in Tomder's link. Thanks, T.

Yeah, it is sure "all there" in Tom's link. There is not a word of repubs or dems trying to cheat. It also points out that this is not for a seat in the U.S. Congress, but rather for a seat in the New Hampshire state House where they have, incredibly, 400 members.

This was one of a mere several dozen recounts in the state. Good thing we have an efficient means of counting votes in our country.

The systems are not likely to change .In fact if the Dems get their way the rigged system will go national.

Part of the problem is Repubs . States that used to be so called swing states are increasingly becoming blue because we are escaping the madness in those states and migrating to red states . I did it .But in my defense NY is hoplessly blue and was bleeding me with property taxes that equaled a second mortgage . If I remained there I would've had to work until I croaked .
But states like PA are losing conservatives so the balance has changed .

Repubs had 5 million more votes than the Dems this cycle ;a swing of 12 million from 2020. But they barely took a majority in the House ;lost by 1 or at best tied the Senate ;and lost 2 Guvs . The Dems have proven the Stalin thesis It is not who votes but who counts the votes that matters . We count votes ;they count ballots . That turns out to be an important distinction .

Hobbs refused to debate Kari Lake.That did not make a difference . Hobbs was Arizona’s Secretary of State and therefore in charge of an election she was running in..

Repubs will not win until they learn to navigate and embrace the fraud .

Repubs will not win until they learn to navigate and embrace the fraud .

You got that right. At least one Repub guaranteed that if elected they would never lose an election again. The election deniers ran on platforms saying they would control the elections as secretaries of state or election workers. They didn't even bother to hide their plans. THAT was the threat to democracy - eliminating voting as the basis.

Embrace the fraud - indeed!

The election deniers ran on platforms saying they would control the elections as secretaries of state or election workers.

like Hobbs ? The difference is that Repubs don't shroud their cause in moral and apocalyptic terms such as “saving democracy” to justify the means .


They didn't even bother to hide their plans.

You mean like Clueless Joe making a prime time address to let us know they would prolong the count until they get the results they want ?

We have seen their MO for 3 elections now(2018 only Madam Mimi predicted a blue wave ) .....close the count down late at night .Bring in the magic ballots and start counting again in the morning .The only big difference from 2020 is that they learned to disable the surveillance video cameras so they would not get caught red handed ,

Had the red wave occurred as predicted by everyone including the Dem establishment I could've believed the 2020 election was just an anomality . Now there is no doubt in my mind that short of every state adopting Florida like reforms that the only chance for Repubs to ever win will be for them to learn to cheat better than the Dems .

lNow there is no doubt in my mind that short of every state adopting Florida like reforms that the only chance for Repubs to ever win will be for them to learn to cheat better than the Dems .

There never was any doubt in your mind that a Dem election win was, per se, a fraud. Nothing new there.

It's long past time for you to use your mind to examine the FACTS about elections and how Repubs went ON RECORD saying cheating would be the future path to election victory.

how Repubs went ON RECORD saying cheating would be the future path to election victory


it appears they were prescient in their prediction . The Dems adopted it as an election strategy .The Repubs are too stupid to do likewise .Otherwise they would not have been surprised that the Dems did the same thing in 2022 that they did 2 years before.

Set up drop boxes to harvest votes and bring them to polling locations late at night Dems did it Repubs didn't This time the Dems improved their art of the steal by turning off the video cameras

Joe Biden brags about having “the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization” in history. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0)


in Nevada Cortez Masto needed 63% of the remaining 84,000 votes left to count to beat Laxalt . Amazing ......that is what she recieved from the last batch of mail in ballots . What a fortuitous coincidence !

The same thing happened in Brazil .Bolsonaro was in the lead until new ballots were "found " giving Lula the win. Millions of protesters have taken to the streets . Look at all those insurectionists .
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/11/2022-11-15T213831Z_2119065009_RC2JMX90S798_RTRMADP_3_BRAZI L-POLITICS-PROTESTS-1024x683.jpg

The Repubs are too stupid to do likewisePerhaps repubs still have some remaining belief in honest government. Cheating in elections is one of the first steps towards totalitarian government.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other (John Adams )

Before joining this site, I believed that there were many areas of governance that people of all political persuasions could agree on since they were rooted in honesty and common sense. Now I'm not so sure. Liberals here cannot even bring themselves to agree that the rule of law and honest elections are important. Their cause has become more important than its underlying moral and legal supports.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other (John Adams )

Are you suggesting the Republican Party, and the MAGA crowd, and Trump should all be prevented from participating in government? That sure sounds like what you're saying.

I agree except for the Repub Party. We should give them another chance to clean up their act after exorcising the MAGAs and Trump. After all, they used to be legitimate before Gingrich started their downfall.

So the Repubs take the House and announce investigations into the Biden Crime Family . Then Trump announces his candidacy for President .

So AG Garland suddenly appoints a special council to investigate Trump because he is a candidate for President .

But if he would need to appoint a special council for Trump why would he not have already appointed a special council for Clueless Joe ;Hunter and Jame's Biden's criminal activities ?

Are Hunter and James Biden candidates for president?

Are Hunter and James Biden candidates for president?
I think the point is that Joe, Hunter, and James are all in this thing together, and Joe is certainly going to run, or at least that's how it appears.

Good to see you posting again.

Then Ivanka, Don Jr, and Eric must be investigated too.

Then Ivanka, Don Jr, and Eric must be investigated too.For what?

Who knows what investigators will find! Especially involving and enmeshing dear ol' dad!

I don't think that will go over well. "We're investigating you because Wondergirl doesn't like you!" Come to think of it, that does sound like something the Biden Justice Dept. would try.

Or the republican justice department would use to somehow get rid of a dem candy date.

the connection is that Quid Pro Joe was 'the big guy' who siphoned off 10% of the proceeds in exchange for his influence.

Or the republican justice department would use to somehow get rid of a dem candy date.It's hard to imagine being so in favor of a dem admin that a person will turn a blind eye to this kind of corruption, and then somehow try to justify it by speculating on what a repub admin might do. The idea should be justice for all".

I will tell you this. Should a repub admin do such a thing, I will raise my voice with yours to oppose it. The question now is, will we all join our voices in a call for justice?

the connection is that Quid Pro Joe was 'the big guy' who siphoned off 10% of the proceeds in exchange for his influence.

You need to provide some proof for your accusation.

Are you the same guy who posted this youtube link?

Joe Biden brags about having “the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization” in history. - YouTube

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0)You grossly misled anyone reading that this was Biden PROMOTING voter fraud as if he had such an organization. A cursory look shows that Biden is DEMEANING voter fraud by having an organization investigating fraud.

If we had any doubts about your truthfulness, you have totally confirmed those doubts by this very untruthful post.

begone troll the proof is in Hunter Biden's laptop. That is all public knowledge

begone troll the proof is in Hunter Biden's laptop. That is all public knowledge

If it's public, post it. Put up or shut up, bigmouth.

you never post any of your claims . In fact your sole purpose on this site is to snipe at my posts . I waste time dealing with it

Then Ivanka, Don Jr, and Eric must be investigated too.

They are being investigated in the NY ongoing investigation for fraud. If convicted, all three face jail along with their criminal father. The acorn doesn't fall from the tree.


you never post any of your claims . In fact your sole purpose on this site is to snipe at my posts . I waste time dealing with it

That's simply an excuse to avoid giving proof of your false statement.

I don't "snipe" at your posts. I expose then for the false information they so frequently claim. Keep lying, and keep seeing me embarrassing you with the truth.

Obviously, you don't appreciate being exposed. Change your evil ways, and you won't be.

no you are like Stafford and Waldorf from the Muppet show shouting from the balcony . Annoying yes . Consequential no . From this moment on you are talking to a wall .

That's simply an excuse to avoid giving proof of your false statement.What a comment coming from a guy who is fearful of answering practically any question posed to him. Tom has described you well.

no you are like Stafford and Waldorf from the Muppet show shouting from the balcony . Annoying yes . Consequential no . From this moment on you are talking to a wall .

Noted: Lacking any coherent reply, you resort to name-calling and run away like a mutt with your tail between your legs. Your reaction is fairly typical, and occurs when you can't defend your misleading posts. You can run, but you can't hide.

Noted: Lacking any coherent reply, you resort to name-calling and run away like a mutt with your tail between your legs. This is posted by a guy who disappears for weeks at a time and refuses to answer any question of substance directed to him. Your "critique" of Tom accuses him of name calling. That's done right before you refer to him as a "mutt with your tail between your legs". Would that not be the pot once again calling the kettle black? It does, at least, provide some amusement.

Now if it wasn't for the absolutely rank hypocrisy, he would have a worthwhile point. These discussions are supposed to be about one person introducing an idea, and others getting to probe some by asking questions of substance about that idea. And then there is a reasoned response, and on it goes. Name calling and snarky comments should be out of bounds as well as simply refusing to answer questions.

The special council is Jack Smith . When Garland says he is perfect for the job he knows of what he speaks .

Smith is experienced in taking out potential GOP Presidential candidates . As head of the DOJ 'Public Integrity Unit' he prosecuted then Guv of Va and GOP rising star Bob McDonnell . McDonnell was convicted to 2 years in jail

His appeal went to SCOTUS . A brief filed by Repub and Dem White House counsels going back several administrations, said the government had gone too far in the McDonnell case.

SCOTUS decided in an 8-0 decision to reverse his conviction . But by then the damage was done.

SCOTUS decided in an 8-0 decision to reverse his conviction . But by then the damage was done.Kind of hard to imagine a greater miscarriage of justice than this.

the connection is that Quid Pro Joe was 'the big guy' who siphoned off 10% of the proceeds in exchange for his influence.

You never replied to my comment:


Are you the same guy who posted this youtube link?

Joe Biden brags about having “the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization” in history. - YouTube

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0)You grossly misled anyone reading that this was Biden PROMOTING voter fraud as if he had such an organization. A cursory look shows that Biden is DEMEANING voter fraud by having an organization investigating fraud.

If we had any doubts about your truthfulness, you have totally confirmed those doubts by this very untruthful post.

To repeat: You can run, but you can't hide. Proof positive that the truth means nothing to you when it conflicts with your far right lies. Shame.

You never replied to my comment:Says, again, the pot to the supposed kettle.

SCOTUS decided in an 8-0 decision to reverse his conviction . But by then the damage was done.


Kind of hard to imagine a greater miscarriage of justice than this.

makes it hard to believe Smith is the impartial prosecutor he is portrayed to be.

He was deeply involved in the coordinated effort of IRS's Lois Lerner and the FBI regarding the IRS targeting Tea Party organizations .


This according to a letter sent to Eric Holder by Congressman Darrell Issa .




The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform continues to examine the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative tax-exempt applicants. On May 6, 2014, the Committee conducted a transcribed interview of Richard Pilger, the Director of the Department of Justice’s Election Crimes Branch. While we knew that the Justice Department engaged with the IRS in May 2013 to consider prosecution of political active nonprofits,[1] we were shocked to learn that this engagement started in October 2010. According to Mr. Pilger, the Justice Department convened a meeting with former IRS official Lois Lerner in October 2010 to discuss how the IRS could assist in the criminal enforcement of campaign-finance laws against politically active nonprofits. This meeting was arranged at the direction of Public Integrity Section Chief Jack Smith. We therefore respectfully request that you make Mr. Smith available for a transcribed interview.
Testimony: In 2010, Justice Department Sought Lois Lerner’s Help to Prosecute Tax Exempt Groups Engaging in Politics - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform (https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/testimony-2010-justice-department-sought-lois-lerners-help-prosecute-tax-exempt-groups-engaging-politics/)

The letter continues

According to Mr. Pilger, Mr. Smith asked him to arrange a meeting in early October 2010 with the IRS about the ‘evolving legal landscape’ of campaign-finance law following the Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision. Mr. Pilger testified that the Department’s agenda for the meeting was to engage with Ms. Lerner and the IRS on being ‘more vigilant to the opportunities from more crime in the . . . 501(c)(4) area.’


Testimony: In 2010, Justice Department Sought Lois Lerner’s Help to Prosecute Tax Exempt Groups Engaging in Politics - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform (https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/testimony-2010-justice-department-sought-lois-lerners-help-prosecute-tax-exempt-groups-engaging-politics/)

In response Lerner sent 21 computer disks containing 1.1 million pages of tax-return documents to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. According to the Justice Department, the massive data dump included public returns from non-profit groups but also taxpayer information that by law the IRS is required to keep confidential.

TaxProf Blog (typepad.com) (https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/06/the-irs-scandal-8.html)

This is the investigator that Garland swears is non-partisan,

Wondering if Smith's mandate extends beyond the political persecution of Trump ? If it is far reacbing enough will he be able to set his cross hairs on Repub members of Congress who the Dems claim to be coconspirators in the called insurrection ?

All it would take is to pick off a few Repub Reps to give the House control back to the Dems .

Here is Garland's statement

The first is the investigation, as described in court filings in the District of Columbia, into whether any person or entity unlawfully interfered with the transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or the certification of the Electoral College vote held on or about January 6, 2021.

Appointment of a Special Counsel | OPA | Department of Justice (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appointment-special-counsel-0)

That implies it is more than an investigation of Trump.

Garland said that circumstances changed when Trump announced he was running . That is BS .

It was clear to anyone paying attention that Trump planned on running again the day he exited the White House . Why didn't Garland appoint a special council then ?

April Clueless Joe told us he wanted Trump prosecuted . At that moment either Garland hired a special council or admit he was doing the bidding of the President and not being an 'independent ' AG . He let that obvious conflct of interest stand for almost a half year while he convened a Grand Jury against Trump.

Again ;if Trump's situation demanded a special council then so did the slow walked Hunter Biden investigation that is still ongoing allegedly .(of that mistake Bill Barr shares culpability )

The sad part is most likely Smith will do what prosecutors do. They go after the low hanging fruit in an attempt to coerce someone to be a witness against the main target. They fall short but then claim success because they brutalized and got convictions on small potatoes .

Smith stretched the law beyond reason to get McDonnell . You know that because SCOTUS unanimously slapped him down.


I wonder what Garland is going to do when he starts getting referrals for prosecution from the Repubs investigating the Biden Crime family . Will he treat 'the Big Guy' the same way the Justice Dept is treating Trump ?

The Arizona Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright has said she will not certify the Guv election until she gets answers to the questions she said surround the voting in Maricopa County.



These complaints go beyond pure speculation, but include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law. Furthermore, statements made by both Chairman Gates and Recorder Richer, along with information Maricopa County released through official modes of communication appear to confirm potential statutory violations of title 16.

Arizonans deserve a full report and accounting of the myriad problems that occurred in relation to Maricopa County’s administration of the 2022 General Election. As the canvass is looming, and these issues relate to Maricopa County’s ability to lawfully certify election results – the Unit requests a response to the aforementioned issues on or before Maricopa County submits its official canvass to the Secretary of State, which must occur on or before November 28, 2022.


Microsoft Word - 221119 Letter to Maricopa County re 2022 General Election Administration (azag.gov) (https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2022-11/221119%20Letter%20to%20Maricopa%20County%20re%2020 22%20General%20Election%20Administration.pdf)

What is needed is some honest democrats who value honest elections more than they do political power.

hmm from the lefty publication The Nation we see



Amazingly, Democrats survived 2022, retaining control of the Senate, and barely losing the House. With inflation and crime up, Biden unpopular, the vast majority saying the country is on the wrong track, and the history of voters’ punishing the president’s party in midterm elections, Republicans found it easy to peddle their “red wave” predictions. Among Democrats, fusillades from the perennial circular firing squad began long before Election Day. And yet, Democrats enjoyed the best midterm results for a presidential party since George Bush’s Republicans in 2002 in the wake of 9/11.


Democrats did not offer a coherent argument about the economy or inflation, nor an answer to Republican race-baiting on crime… CNN’s exit polls suggest that the three-fourths of the electorate that considered the economy not good or poor voted strongly Republican.
Democrats, Time to Go Big | The Nation (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-elections-progressivism-midterms/)

Even the lefties admit they should not have done well . And yet they did . They have perfected the art of the steal. Mail in ballots ;election harvesting, activists collecting ballots in conveniently placed drop boxes, and ballot counting without verification have been fine tuned .

Time for the next phase . It only took Schmuck Schumer a matter of hours to suggest that all the illegal aliens who have been bum rushing the border should cut to the front of the line be given a "path to citizenship" that no doubt will come with SNAP and free health care ....oh yeah ,and a voter registration number . Here is your ballot . Don't bother filling it out . We will provide that service too,

Those who opposed this are election deniers /insurrectionists who need to be purged . So sayeth the defenders of democracy.

Robert Borosage in the above op-ed advises the Dems to go radical. And why not ? They know they have rigged the system so there are no consequences .

They have perfected the art of the steal. Mail in ballots ;election harvesting, activists collecting ballots in conveniently placed drop boxes, and ballot counting without verification have been fine tuned .Sure seems to be the case. Now the question is, what to do about it? It could very easily turn ugly.

I don't see an answer if Repubs are locked out . More than one commentator is suggesting that Repubs just adopt the same tactics until they are in a position to reform the process .

So repubs must become as corrupt as dems until the time comes that we can correct an corrupt system? I hope it has not come to that.

There is the Florida model . They have early voting and VOTER ID with verification. That has to be adopted nationwide . What are the odds ?

They have early voting and VOTER ID with verification.Arizona seems to have pretty effective laws concerning absentee voting, but it's all for naught when vote counting extends for days in less than transparent situations.

Maybe we need to learn a lesson from the Civil Rights days. Massive, peaceful demonstrations do have an effect.

Imagine the civil rights movement with the courts on the side of the segregationists . Oh yeah that happened and the system endured from 1896(Plessy) until 1954 (Brown v Board ) ;and another decade before meaningful corrective legislation to pass .

The Repubs can keep on losing and go to bed with a clear conscience or they can take the steps necessary to win with the defacto rules

The Florida model as explained in Newsweek by Paul Du Quenoy ;the President of the Palm Beach Freedom Insitiute .......

Under Governor Ron DeSantis (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/ron-desantis)'s leadership (https://www.newsweek.com/florida-new-capital-red-state-america-opinion-1758835), Florida had outlawed mass mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, and the use of funds offered by possibly biased third-party actors (e.g. "Zuckerbucks") to help operate local elections. It also required photo identification to vote and vowed to prosecute individuals who allegedly violated state election laws. Criticism rained down on the governor before and after the election, but the results were undeniable as the "red wave" predicted for the entire country slammed Florida's shores. DeSantis won reelection by 19 points, and similar margins of victory blessed Republican candidates down the ballot. Importantly, these numbers reasonably resembled pre-election polling data, taking into account the advantage of a few points that polling often inaccurately assigns to Democrats. What's more, the Sunshine State's 7.2 million total votes cast were counted within a mere five hours.

The GOP Must Address Election Integrity Before It Is Too Late | Opinion (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/gop-must-address-election-integrity-before-it-too-late-opinion-1761096)