It has now become apparent that after John Fetterman's awful debate performance, the dems are going to at least partly acknowledge that it will be his wife who'll be the real senator should he win. Even Biden proclaimed, " (Gisele) is gonna be a great, great lady in the Senate." This after a Rolling Stone reporter called Gisele the "de facto candidate." Might add that GF has discovered that swimming in America is not merely racist, but VERY racist.

why not ? they got away with it with Edith Wilson running the country after Woodrow Wilson's stroke.


swimming in America is not merely racist, but VERY racist. What you never heard of white water rafting ?

What you never heard of white water rafting ?Ooohhh. I never thought of that! Why is it we never hear of non-white water rafting??? (<:

You two must have really mocked Stephen Hawking's observations and comments.

"I have no sensible reply, so I'll resort to trying to change the subject."

It won't work.

The subject is Fetterman's "awful debate performance".

And it was indeed awful just as Trumps first debate with Biden was awful. Now what that has to do with hawking is unclear.

I don't understand the comparison .Hawking easily understood and processed words and thoughts and used technology to communicate complex thoughts . Hawking never had cognitive issues . Quite the opposite .He was a genius.

Fetterman's stroke deprives him of those skills. Hopefully in the future he will regain those skills .
Currently he does not have those skills due to his stroke and should not be elected to anything until he can.

Shame on his handlers and his wife for permitting it . Shame on the compliant press who failed to honestly report it ;and attacked the one peer who had the integrity to report the truth .

That doesn't surprise me at all. Not only did they hide his condition ;they also allowed him to get away with a false narrative of his accomplishments in Braddock ;the fact that throughout he career he has been a no show leader .

What is disappointing is the fact that people who seem to have good sense are trying to find ways to defend this by using the "You hate disabled people" approach. By that reasoning, we should look for a comatose person to run.

While aphasia and auditory processing disorders can make the speech of stroke sufferers difficult to understand, they do not imply cognitive impairments. Researchers shed light on aphasia and stroke recovery, reporting auditory processing symptoms as a result of stroke do not alter one’s intelligence, behavior, or other executive abilities.
https://neurosciencenews.com/fetterman-aphasia-stroke-recovery-21751/

While aphasia and auditory processing disorders can make the speech of stroke sufferers difficult to understand, they do not imply cognitive impairmentsThey don't rule it out either, so how can you be sure he is mentally fit?

The truth is, if this was a repub, you'd be all over them and declare him/her unfit for office. It certainly seems that you will defend a liberal dem practically to the death.

They don't rule it out either, so how can you be sure he is mentally fit?
This just happened in the Spring. He's under medical care. Recovery is supposed to be very possible.

The truth is, if this was a repub, you'd be all over them and declare him/her unfit for office. It certainly seems that you will defend a liberal dem practically to the death.
How many strokes has Trump had so far?

how can you be sure he is mentally fit?You did not answer this question.

Trump?? Trump is sharp. I don't like a number of things about him, but I don't see how you can accuse him of mental deterioration. The way he speaks is light years ahead of Fetterman.

Now Biden is a candidate for sure. Just yesterday he declared we have 54 states.

I don't understand the comparison ......... Hawking never had cognitive issues.... Fetterman's stroke deprives him of those skills.

Wrong. It's been clearly stated that his cognitive skills are not affected. His "auditory processing" skills are the skills affected. The press reported it accurately.

Bottom line His handlers and the compliant press insisted that Fetterman ;who suffered a life threatening stroke in May ,is recovering well and “has no work restrictions and can work full duty in public office”. They lied to the people of Pennsylvania and the nation.His ability to hear, understand, process information, and speak have been severely impacted by his stroke.

From my perspective I am happy the Dems continue to run with Fetterman . Had they gone into the general election with Conner Lamb as their flag bearer this election would not be close. But he was too moderate for the new radical lefty progressive socialist Democrat party.

.....socialist Democrat party.

Please don't use the word "socialist" when you don't even know what it means. We've been over this ground before when you couldn't even explain its meaning.

I did not bother

His ability to hear, understand, process information, and speak have been severely impacted by his stroke.

Not true. Please read the link I added in Post #10. As I said earlier, the same was true for Stephen Hawking because of ALS.

I don't need a link . We all saw what the stoke has done to him . He is incapable at this time to serve as a Senator . But apologists are going to let him get away with claiming that the teleprompter device he was using malfunctioned .

Oh my!!! Those "stokes"!!!

Like Hawking, he can think, he just can't verbally communicate.

Like Hawking, he can think, he just can't verbally communicate.Unless you have access to his med records, and you don't, then you have no idea. You're just running interference for the guy because he's a liberal dem.

The part of your article you apparently chose to ignore. "Fetterman has chosen not to release his full medical record, so it’s not possible to draw conclusions about the exact location or extent of brain injury resulting from his stroke." Since your own article says that is the case, then why are you trying to do (draw conclusions) exactly what it says cannot be done?

Stephen Hawking's situation was not caused by a stroke but by a disease called ALS. The two conditions are not related.

I mentioned ALS in Post#18. ALS and a stroke both cause speech impairments. P.S. Please read the ENTIRE article.

At least Fetterman isn't babbling about won-ton murders and peach-tree dishes.

I will if you will.

I did before I posted it.

Then you were intentionally deceitful.

You really love to needle, don't you -- with hopes to whip up an argument.

No, I love to be honest. Perhaps you were honestly mistaken, but after my post 21 you should, I would think, recognize your mistake. It is your post 10 that was in error.

No mistake, Charlie. Read something besides Fox.

No comment from you on Republican comments about won-ton murders and peach-tree dishes?

Trying yet again to change the subject. Oh well.

I'd mentioned them earlier. Post #22.

You need to address this first, Charlene.

Unless you have access to his med records, and you don't, then you have no idea. This is the part of your article you apparently chose to ignore. "Fetterman has chosen not to release his full medical record, so it’s not possible to draw conclusions about the exact location or extent of brain injury resulting from his stroke." Since your own article says that is the case, then why are you trying to do (draw conclusions) exactly what it says cannot be done? That happened when you said, "Researchers shed light on aphasia and stroke recovery, reporting auditory processing symptoms as a result of stroke do not alter one’s intelligence, behavior, or other executive abilities." So were you just rambling, or were you claiming that was true of Fetterman?

The article also mentioned his wife's early intervention: "Because of her early recognition of his symptoms and rapid transport to a nearby facility, Lancaster General Hospital in Pennsylvania, he had the opportunity to receive a clot-busting drug called a thrombolytic (https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/find-a-program-or-service/heart-and-vascular/vascular-surgery-and-endovascular-therapy/vascular-procedures/thrombolysis#) and underwent a catheter-based procedure to remove the blood clot from an artery in the brain."

Unfortunately, my younger son did not recognize his symptoms or call his doctor about them and died of a pulmonary embolism. Coincidentally, four days later, my hematologist immediately recognized symptoms of DVT in me and started me on Xeralto to break up clots that were forming in my right leg.

You need to address this first, Charlene.

Unless you have access to his med records, and you don't, then you have no idea. This is the part of your article you apparently chose to ignore. "Fetterman has chosen not to release his full medical record, so it’s not possible to draw conclusions about the exact location or extent of brain injury resulting from his stroke." Since your own article says that is the case, then why are you trying to do (draw conclusions) exactly what it says cannot be done? That happened when you said, "Researchers shed light on aphasia and stroke recovery, reporting auditory processing symptoms as a result of stroke do not alter one’s intelligence, behavior, or other executive abilities." So were you just rambling, or were you claiming that was true of Fetterman?

The article also mentioned his wife's early intervention: "Because of her early recognition of his symptoms and rapid transport to a nearby facility, Lancaster General Hospital in Pennsylvania, he had the opportunity to receive a clot-busting drug called a thrombolytic (https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/find-a-program-or-service/heart-and-vascular/vascular-surgery-and-endovascular-therapy/vascular-procedures/thrombolysis#) and underwent a catheter-based procedure to remove the blood clot from an artery in the brain."

Fetterman has been checked into the hospital for the 2nd time since he was sworn in last month .

He could've stepped out of the race after his massive stroke right before the campaign began. His wife could've encouraged him to do so . Guv Shapiro could've .The Penn Dems could've . The compliant press for the most part went along with the charade . And the Repubs chose a weak candidate .

So he became Senator .

You will recall from this and other postings here that anyone who called this out was called being an ableist . This stroke affected his physical functions .It affected his brain he could not process. language he was hearing ;could not speak properly ;could not understand things .We were told we were supposed to ignore all this .
Gisele Fetterman said to just leave him alone .Nothing to see here .He would get better .
Scientific American ran a piece in October ;in the days before the election telling us;
Following a stroke, the brain’s own repair processes can lead to a strong recovery in people such as Senate candidate John Fetterman

John Fetterman Shows How Well the Brain Recovers after Stroke - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/john-fetterman-shows-how-well-the-brain-recovers-after-stroke/)








Aphasia, or the inability to understand or express speech, is very common following a stroke (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27489401/), impacting an estimated third of people who have one (https://www.stroke.org.uk/effects-of-stroke/communication-problems). (Fetterman’s campaign has denied he has aphasia, but some of his symptoms are consistent with the condition.) Those who have a stroke in their left brain hemisphere, which serves as the center of language processing in most people, are particularly vulnerable. For the brain to recover, it must modify and adapt to this new injury, a process known as neural plasticity.


Give him a closed caption prompter and all is right in the world . He will be fine .
Well not really .

After the SOTU address he was rushed to the hospital for unspecified reasons .
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoaUwRQXoAElM3z?format=jpg&name=small

Scans showed he did not have another stroke

But now he has checked himself back into the hospital for clinical depression. It should be clear by now that he should not have been running for Senate .


While John has experienced depression off and on throughout his life, it only became severe in recent weeks, chief of staff Adam Jentleson said in a statemen

Sen. John Fetterman is being treated for clinical depression at Walter Reed : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157570381/john-fetterman-treatment-clinical-depression-health-pennsylvania-senator)

What happened in recent weeks ? Oh yeah ,he was sworn in as Senator adding to his stress level .


“On Monday, John was evaluated by Dr. Brian P. Monahan, the attending physician of the United States Congress,” the chief of staff said. “Yesterday, Dr. Monahan recommended inpatient care at Walter Reed. John agreed, and he is receiving treatment on a voluntary basis.”

Now outpatient care means you get some medication maybe have sessions with a mental health professional .But otherwise go about your life. In patient care for clinical depression is very serious business .
When Is Residential or Inpatient Treatment Necessary for Depression? (pchtreatment.com) (https://www.pchtreatment.com/when-inpatient-treatment-necessary-depression/)


Yet we are assured all will be well and he will be back to himself in no time.

Gisele says leave us alone ;give us some privacy. The best way for privacy while recovering would've been to not enter a Senate campaign.
“After what he’s been through in the past year, there’s probably no one who wanted to talk about his own health less than John,” his wife, Gisele Fetterman, said in a pair of tweets Thursday afternoon. “I’m so proud of him for asking for help and getting the care he needs.”


She asked for privacy during the “difficult time for our family"


"For us, the kids come first," she said of their three children. "Take care of yourselves. Hold your loved ones close, you are not alone."

Senator John Fetterman checks into hospital for clinical depression (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/16/john-fetterman-hospital-clinical-depression/11274209002/)

The kids come first ? I'd say your political ambitions came first . There is only one reason why he is in the public eyes today . It is because you encouraged him to run despite recovering from a major stroke ;and because the Dems of Penn and the compliant press went along with it . It was more important for him to take the seat than to recover.

Prediction .... the subject of this posting is right on. He will step down and be replaced by Gisele .....who puts the kids first .

He will step down and be replaced by Gisele .....who puts the kids first .Very likely scenario.

And the Dems will be able to check off another box .....a Senator who was once an illegal alien .

It has now been 2 weeks and there is a virtual news blackout about Fetterman's health . But we do know that Gisele and their children have left the country .

She says she left to get away from the coverage . To that I ask what coverage ?


His offices says he is fine nothing to see here . We don't need a statement from his staff .We need a statement from his doctors .

Fetterman is hospitalized for clinical depression Bob Casey underwent prostate cancer sugery 2 weeks ago. The people of Pa. have no Senators currently working for them in DC .

What coverage? I have no doubt the Fetterman office and home phones are driving everyone crazy with their ringing. Clinical depression is manageable. Yes, his doctors should issue periodic statements.

Gisele and their children have left the country .Stand by your man.


The people of Pa. have no Senators currently working for them in DC .Considering who they are, it's the best possible outcome.

"The people of Pa. have no Senators currently working for them in DC ."

Stand by your man.

"What happens when your husband or father — a senator, to boot — checks into the hospital, and media trucks circle your home?

Pack the kids up and head to Canada, Gisele Fetterman says.

Fetterman recently explained on Twitter she and her kids left Pennsylvania for a family trip to Niagara Falls to get away from the media coverage surrounding her husband’s recovery at Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C."
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2023/02/gisele-fetterman-children-take-trip-to-canada-in-wake-of-senators-hospitalization.html

It's what I would do. Plus, NF was one of my and my kids' favorite get-away places!

Fetterman recently explained on Twitter she and her kids left Pennsylvania for a family trip to Niagara Falls to get away from the media coverage surrounding her husband’s recovery at Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C.""Hey kids. Your dad is suffering from clinical depression and has to be hospitalized. Let's head off to a vacation at NF! The media sure won't find us there."

what coverage ?

I will admit the Canadian side of the falls is a much better place to visit . The NY side is a sleezy tourist trap. Me ;if my spouse were in the hospital for extended stay ;I would be by her side . But Gisele needs the down time before her pending appointment to replace him .

"Hey kids. Your dad is suffering from clinical depression and has to be hospitalized. Let's head off to a vacation!"
Have you ever dealt with a family member with clinical depression? I have. AND had young kids? Gisele's and John's kids are 12, 10, and 7. I'm betting they (and their mom) are upset and depressed. What do you expect the kids to do while dad is hospitalized, is then in a healthcare rehab, while under treatment?

What do you expect the kids to do while dad is hospitalized, is then in a healthcare rehab, while under treatment?

unless they are demonstrating depression as you suggest then they should be in school mid-February

unless they are demonstrating depression as you suggest then they should be in school mid-February
Is school being held remotely, at home?

And Gisele will stay at NF until John comes home? Or how long will they actually be at NF?

P.S. I just checked. E-Learning (remote learning) still seems to be what is happening for Braddock students.

Have you ever dealt with a family member with clinical depression? I have. AND had young kids? Gisele's and John's kids are 12, 10, and 7. I'm betting they (and their mom) are upset and depressed. What do you expect the kids to do while dad is hospitalized, is then in a healthcare rehab, while under treatment?I expect the mom/wife to help her husband, mother the kids who will be in school (probably private), and hire some help if need be to keep things together, but don't run off and leave the hubster by himself in his moment of great need.

bottom line this is the same BS line she pulled during the campaign. 'leave us alone and give us our privacy .'

That ship sailed when he ran and won the election .They were no longer private people . He is the elected Senator of the entire state . If privacy was a priority she should've not encouraged him to run for the office.

I expect the mom/wife to help her husband, mother the kids who will be in school (probably private), and hire some help if need be to keep things together, but don't run off and leave the hubster by himself in his moment of great need.
You musta not read this part:

Fetterman recently explained on Twitter she and her kids left Pennsylvania for a family trip to Niagara Falls to get away from the media coverage....

During this part of his hospitalization and therapy, he very likely won't be able to have visitors. AND school in that area is still remote.

And you know from your map-reading class that their home isn't very far from NF. (Psst, about 240 miles) I'm sure Gisele is keeping in touch with her husband's medical professionals and will return home in a timely manner.

Today is Gisele Fetterman's 41st birthday! (same day as my dad's)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GISELE!

"Hey kids! We're heading out to NF in the middle of the school year, but don't worry. I'll check on ole what's his name from time to time.

With Fetterman out for weeks ;and Dianne Feinstein now hospitalized with shingles ;the Dems no longer have a voting majority in the Senate .

Dianne Feinstein hospitalized for shingles | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/politics/dianne-feinstein-hospitalized-shingles/index.html)

The Dems have called on Kam the Sham to be the tie breaker over judicial confirmations .She broke a tie for Jennifer Sung’s nomination to the 9th Circus ; Araceli Martinez-Olguin’s nomination to the Northern District of California; and Margaret Guzman’s nomination to the District of Massachusetts ..

She is approaching a record . She has tied John Adams with 29 tie breaking votes and the John C. Calhoun’s 31st is coming fast .. The people of PA must be thrilled to know that their de-facto Senator is Kam the Sham.

Fetterman returned to the Senate dressed ready for a pick up basketball game .

Fetterman returns to Senate after hospitalization for clinical depression (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/fetterman-returns-to-senate-after-hospitalization-for-clinical-depression-170491973636)

And Mitch?

Take your pick.

49461 49462

It just boggles the mind.

Mitch, mouth hanging open, drool quickly wiped off his chin, vapid look on his face. Nursing home escapee? Yep, boggles the mind.

His mouth is open because he is speaking. You might have noted the mic. There was no drool. Your prejudice is, indeed, mind-boggling.

His mouth is open because he is speaking. You might have noted the mic. There was no drool. Your prejudice is, indeed, mind-boggling.
Watch him when he isn't speaking. Plus, he's recovering from a head injury. That affects one's brain. Hmm, I wonder how it has affected Mitch's brain. And just because a mike is in front of a person's mouth doesn't mean that person is speaking.

My prejudice is less mind-boggling than yours is.

Yeah. People use mics to NOT speak on all the time.

Oh brother.

Yeah. People use mics to NOT speak on all the time.

Oh brother.
Ooooooh, brother!!!! One does not speak constantly. One takes a breath. One stops to think about the next thing to say. With his head injury possibly complicating his speaking ability, the pauses can be lengthy. I plan to watch him and see if he struggles for words, pauses often to take a breath.

I guess we were lucky Uncle Festerman did not show up in a dress.

I’m pretty sure WG will pull out the “alien kidnapping” scenario next.

I’m pretty sure WG will pull out the “alien kidnapping” scenario next.
I'm just trying to keep up with and match your alien kidnapping stories.

I certainly encourage you to make every effort to keep up. Looking back, you are lagging behind. Catch up, dear WG. Catch up!

I love catchup on hot dogs and even on deep-fried shrimp!

catchup on hotdogs must be a Midwest thing. The only hotdog is a Nathans in natural casing grilled ...on a bun... with spicy mustard and sauerkraut ..... Or a dirty water dog from a NYC street vendor .

Grilled hotdogs. I prefer them to grilled burgers. I do like ketchup, but my stomach likes it less and less as I get older. Bummer.

The good news about Fetterman is that his six week stay in a mental hospital kept him off the Senate floor. Perhaps he can be talked into going home for a few months to further recuperate. I personally wish him the best, but limiting his ability to inflict damage on the country is a worthwhile goal.

I'm from the Rochester, NY area and love Zweigle's hots -- both white and red -- with or without "catchup"!

I personally wish him the best, but limiting his ability to inflict damage on the country is a worthwhile goal.

Same for Trump.

I remember the record low unemployment we had with Trump. We could use some more "damage" like that.

I remember the record low unemployment we had with Trump. We could use some more "damage" like that.
Pre-covid.

Please tell me you don't intend for that comment to be taken seriously.

It does, however, at least show that you do recognize that Trump DID have record low unemployment.

I will now patiently wait for you to tell us what Senator Fetterman has done that is remarkable.

Trump and covid:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-comments/

As for Trump being responsible for low employment:
https://www.snopes.com/factcheck/unemployment-low-trump/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/unemployment-low-trump/)

And again. "I will now patiently wait for you to tell us what Senator Fetterman has done that is remarkable."

Unemployment in the Trump administration was at record lows. Even pro-liberal Snopes had to admit that was true. Was it declining when he took office? Yes, so perhaps the credit can be spread around some. Still, Obama had eight years and couldn't get that done, so Trump gets a lot of credit. It know it causes you great pain to have to read that knowing full well it is true. [/COLOR][/FONT]

Your other link was purely a fishing expedition, concerning as it did issues not under discussion here. If you want to talk about presidential lying, you will have to include a heavy dose of Biden or else admit to being hopelessly and pathetically prejudiced on the subject. [/COLOR][/FONT]

And again. "I will now patiently wait for you to tell us what Senator Fetterman has done that is remarkable."

Some are:
1. Abortion: "That is between a woman and her physician". To the question if any exceptions exist, he said: "It's certainly not between [her] or any politician."
2. Congressional stock ownership: Members of Congress and their immediate families should be barred from trading or holding stocks.
3. Criminal justice reform
4. The environment
5. Filibustering
6. Restricting gun purchases
7. Medicare for all

As a lifelong Republican, I had high hopes for Trump. I loved the early episodes of "The Apprentice" in which Trump was full of encouragement, had great ideas to challenge the apprentices, offered excellent conclusions for the viewing audience. I have often wondered when and why he began falling apart.

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Some are:
1. Abortion: "That is between a woman and her physician". To the question if any exceptions exist, he said: "It's certainly not between [her] or any politician."
2. Congressional stock ownership: Members of Congress and their immediate families should be barred from trading or holding stocks.
3. Criminal justice reform
4. The environment
5. Filibustering
6. Restricting gun purchases
7. Medicare for allThose might be ideas he has tossed around, but has he actually DONE anything about them?

You had high hopes for Trump? Yeah. We really believe that. You are too much in favor of allowing the killing of unborn children to support Trump.

You had high hopes for Trump? Yeah. We really believe that. You are too much in favor of allowing the killing of unborn children to support Trump.
I liked him very much during the first season of "Apprentice". Yes, high hopes. He had control of himself, was delightfully humorous, was kind in his critiques of the contestants. And no, I don't support him now.

What's your plan when those children are born?

Trump did not change . He is the same person that was beloved by NYC before he entered politics.

What's your plan when those children are born?That their parents will raise them as has been done for millennia. It's seems far preferable to your plan of murdering them.

I really had no opinion of Trump prior to 2015. I don't watch much television. My opinion of him now is about the same, that he is a really smart guy with a chronically big mouth.

That their parents will raise them as has been done for millennia. It's seems far preferable to your plan of murdering them.
Their parents don't want them for whatever reason. And who will pay for their needs while growing up? I suggest every adult who is anti abortion be required to adopt at least one unwanted baby. As Pharaoh said, "So let it be written, so let it be done."

As opposed to your idea of just killing them? You don't want to be bothered with them, so you just want them killed? How sad.

Relatively few babies are born to a woman not wanting to raise the child. Those children go into the foster care system, not a perfect system but far better than most of the rest of the world.

Love that foster-care system! And the absence of love that unwanted baby grows up in. I personally would rather be dead.

You would rather be dead, so you think that justifies the killing of innocent, unborn children? Are you then in favor of finding foster kids in unloving homes and killing them as well? Where does your desire for death end? Please help me understand your point of view.

No, you're the one who wants born kids dead because there will be no good and helpful offering of financial or family support.

No child should be put into an orphanage or foster home. If parents can't or won't do right by the child to be born, it's best that it not be born.

No child should be put into an orphanage or foster home. If parents can't or won't do right by the child to be born, it's best that it not be born.So should we go into the orphanages and foster homes, pull those kids out, and kill them? After all, what real difference is there other than age?


No, you're the one who wants born kids dead because there will be no good and helpful offering of financial or family support.Oh please. That's a preposterous lie and you know it, spoken by the one who actually DOES advocate for killing. Please learn to be honest.

So should we go into the orphanages and foster homes, pull those kids out, and kill them? After all, what real difference is there other than age?
Jesus said, "let the little children come unto Me, not "let the little fetuses come unto Me". Then also, the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul” (Gen. 2:7, KJV). The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious, and living being.” Man did not become a living soul until God breathed life into him. As a physical, animate, rational, and spiritual being, man is unique among all living things upon the earth. A fetus is not that.

1. Jesus did not suggest the unborn come to him since...they can't. But that unborn children are living souls is plainly obvious from a number of passages. Luke 1:43 for instance says, "43 Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me? 44 When I heard your greeting, the baby in my womb jumped for joy." Note that Jesus is already referred to as "Lord", and the baby John "jumped for joy" in his mother's womb as he somehow recognized the holy presence of Jesus. That would certainly not be the behavior of dead, soulless bodies.

2. Your handling of the Genesis quote is in error. Most translations render it as "living being". In other words, he was dead dust. He was not breathing, he had no heartbeat, no brainwaves, and no ability to move, but then the "breath of life" gave him life. That is, of course, not true of the unborn. Even worse for your cause, Adam was never a fetus, never in his mother's womb, and was a fully grown adult his first second of life. So do you also take that any person prior to adulthood is not a living soul?

Why are you dodging this question? "So should we go into the orphanages and foster homes, pull those kids out, and kill them? After all, what real difference is there other than age?"

You've never been pregnant, have you. Fetuses jump for joy often, especially by the fourth month of pregnancy and until birth. It's called quickening. And we pregnant moms and our sisters and cousins will talk to the fetus and even call it by the name the parents have possibly already picked out.

Adam was a handful of dirt before God gave him the breath of life.

Unborns don't breathe and don't become a living soul until they're born.

My handling of the Genesis verse is just fine. I was quoting my very with-it pastor from a two-year special Bible study program with him.

Prior to birth and a first breath, the fetus is not a living soul, not cognitive and not able to survive in the world without breathing.

What have you done to help those parentless kids in orphanages and foster homes? They probably should have been aborted.

You've never been pregnant, have you. Fetuses jump for joy often, especially by the fourth month of pregnancy and until birth. It's called quickening.You've not read the passage, have you? The baby jumped for "joy" when in the presence of Jesus. He wasn't just kicking. He was aware in some way of the presence of Christ and experienced "joy" because of it. You are greatly mistaken.

You are also mistaken in suggesting that unborn children do not have cognitive functioning. That has been shown to you before, but your ideology of death keeps you from acknowledging it.


Adam was a handful of dirt before God gave him the breath of life.Yes! You finally have it. He was lifeless dust. A fetus is neither lifeless nor dust. It is exactly why the rest of your comments are wrong. It is also why you NEVER read in the Bible, "And so and so was born and became a living soul." It is an idea foreign to the Bible.

You can be certain that I will hold on to that quote. I'm sure you already regret posting it.


What have you done to help those parentless kids in orphanages and foster homes? They probably should have been aborted.But that's what I'm asking you. Why not go ahead and kill them now?

Do you go to foster homes and orphanages and make your case that those kids should be dead??? Have you stood on a street corner and "preached" that message? Have you told any of those children, "You would be better off if we ended your miserable life right now."

You've not read the passage, have you? The baby jumped for "joy" when in the presence of Jesus. He wasn't just kicking. He was aware in some way of the presence of Christ and experienced "joy" because of it. You are greatly mistaken.
Oh c'mon! You know all that description was written much later, a visual for the reader.

You are also mistaken in suggesting that unborn children do not have cognitive functioning. That has been shown to you before, but your ideology of death keeps you from acknowledging it.
Deliver that fetus during pregnancy and tell me about cognitive functioning and cost of keeping the unfinished baby alive.

Do you go to foster homes and orphanages and make your case that those kids should be dead??? Have you stood on a street corner and "preached" that message? Have you told any of those children, "You would be better off if we ended your miserable life right now."
I don't have to. They've told me.

Oh c'mon! You know all that description was written much later, a visual for the reader.I guess if that passage worked against my point of view, then I might be tempted to go that direction as well. It's just a foolish argument.


Deliver that fetus during pregnancy and tell me about cognitive functioning and cost of keeping the unfinished baby alive.This is what people say when they have nothing rational to post. "Unfinished baby"?? Wow. What an attitude. "Hey everyone. I want to show you pictures of my unfinished son!! Come and look. We think we will keep him, but since he's unfinished, then we might decide to do away with him." Good grief.


I don't have to. They've told me.As a school principal, I dealt with many foster/adopted children, but I had a different approach from you. I felt they were all valuable and treated them in that way. It never occurred to me to suggest that they go out and kill themselves since their life was not worth living. I didn't believe that, and I don't think they did either.

I guess if that passage worked against my point of view, then I might be tempted to go that direction as well. It's just a foolish argument.
Of course it's foolish because you didn't think of it and it's the truth.

This is what people say when they have nothing rational to post. "Unfinished baby"?? Wow. What an attitude. "Hey everyone. I want to show you pictures of my unfinished son!! Come and look. We think we will keep him, but since he's unfinished, then we might decide to do away with him." Good grief.
No, doing away with it after it's born is murder.

As a school principal, I dealt with many foster/adopted children, but I had a different approach from you. I felt they were all valuable and treated them in that way. It never occurred to me to suggest that they go out and kill themselves since their life was not worth living. I didn't believe that, and I don't think they did either.
No, you aren't comprehending. The topic is the feelings of kids housed in orphanages and in foster care.

Of course it's foolish because you didn't think of it and it's the truth.I didn't think of it because it's absurd. It's basically saying, "It can't possibly mean what it says since that would not agree with my statements, so it would just have to be incorrectly transmitted."


No, doing away with it after it's born is murder.Ahh, but according to you it is "unfinished". I'm just going along with your twisted belief.


No, you aren't comprehending. The topic is the feelings of kids housed in orphanages and in foster care.I was referring to these comments of yours.


What have you done to help those parentless kids in orphanages and foster homes? They probably should have been aborted.

No child should be put into an orphanage or foster home. If parents can't or won't do right by the child to be born, it's best that it not be born.You're about as pro-death as anyone I've ever met, and I've met some real whoppers. You have flatly stated that those kids should have been killed long ago.

You're a little kid in an orphanage or foster care. And if no one loves you or wants you? How would you feel? What would you do?

There are many children in foster care who feel loved. There are many adopted children who feel loved. There are many kids from two parent families who do not feel loved. So I don't really know what your point is. Is it bad to feel unloved? Yes, but does that mean we should kill those children? Good grief no. It is always wrong to take an innocent human life.

It is always wrong to take an innocent human life.
Then let's ban guns of all kinds.

You can't make any ground in what we were talking about, so you just change the subject. Why am I not surprised?

At any rate, cars kill people, so let's ban cars. Doctors kill people, so let's ban doctors. Knives kill people, so let's ban knives. Alcohol kills people, so let's ban alcohol. And on and on it goes. It's just senseless and ridiculous.

You can't make any ground in what we were talking about, so you just change the subject.
This is a discussion which I enlarged, not changed the subject.

At any rate, cars kill people, so let's ban cars. Doctors kill people, so let's ban doctors. Knives kill people, so let's ban knives. Alcohol kills people, so let's ban alcohol. And on and on it goes. It's just senseless and ridiculous.
Now you're being silly.

Now you're being silly.How's that? You want to ban guns because a small, small sliver of people misuse them. You would punish the law-abiding in order to deal with the law breakers. Why not do the same thing with cars, alcohol, etc.?

Guns would be the start. When your child misused a tool, you taught him the correct use. You didn't allow him to continue the misuse. Same with guns. When a car pulls into the wrong driveway and the driver is in the process of backing out, why does the homeowner let loose and shoot (and kill!) one of the four passengers? When a teen goes to the wrong address to pick up his two younger brothers, why does the homeowner open the door and shoot him without even asking what he wants? No reason to shoot, no threat. No guns, no problem. And no, the Second Amendment doesn't give individual citizens the right to own a gun.

Yep. And those cars have to go as well. Same principle.

The principal with a principle.

Guns kill far more people than cars do. Get rid of food too since it can poison us.

Guns kill far more people than cars do.That's not entirely true. Gun homicides are at about twenty thou a year. Car accidents are closer to forty thousand.

"The principal with a principle". Very clever!

You cannot have a militia without an armed citizenry. To suggest otherwise is to display a lack of knowledge as to what a "militia" is.

Miitia -- (in the US) all able-bodied citizens eligible by law to be called on to provide military service supplementary to the regular armed forces.

That sure eliminates a lot of people! Are YOU willing to be called on to fight for your country?

Miitia -- (in the US) all able-bodied citizens eligible by law to be called on to provide military service supplementary to the regular armed forces.

Even using that definition, which was not the meaning of "militia" in colonial days, it would still allow everyone from 17 to 45 to own a firearm.

Me? Would I fight? You better believe it, but it would have to be a local defense effort. At 70, I'm not physically fit enough to walk the mountains of Afghanistan.

We still need an answer to this question. What has changed over the past sixty years to account for the amazing increase in mass shootings? It's not the availability of guns since that has changed but little. What has changed? You mentioned several days ago a mental health crisis aggravated by the decline of healthy families. I'd agree with that. Anything else?

Even using that definition, which was not the meaning of "militia" in colonial days, it would still allow everyone from 17 to 45 to own a firearm.
And what was the meaning in colonial times?

Me? Would I fight? You better believe it, but it would have to be a local defense effort. At 70, I'm not physically fit enough to walk the mountains of Afghanistan.
Not Afghanistan. A militia is local. You'd grab your musket, load it, and trot over to the VFW Hall for orders for defending your town.
https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/342198205_570722491791961_2874441523946424671_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=t-dFeL3nq8MAX9zk3Df&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfDOQPjMgt9S8oPyBIMEhQGiBFnvX1f-TF5-5GIm_to1Nw&oe=6445E1A7

We still need an answer to this question. What has changed over the past sixty years to account for the amazing increase in mass shootings? It's not the availability of guns since that has changed but little. What has changed? You mentioned several days ago a mental health crisis aggravated by the decline of healthy families. I'd agree with that. Anything else?
C'mon! THINK!!! What has changed our lives in incredibly wonderful -- and also in horrible -- ways in this century?

(P.S. The guns available to the public now are NOT what has been available in the past. Gunowners now are twitchy. And be careful not to drive up the wrong driveway or ring the doorbell at the wrong house....)

Not Afghanistan. A militia is local.You didn't ask if I was wiling to join a militia. You asked if I was willing to fight for my country.


C'mon! THINK!!! What has changed our lives in incredibly wonderful -- and also in horrible -- ways in this century?I've already given you three good ones. You have yet to come up with one aside from the mental illness/family connection I noted earlier.


(P.S. The guns available to the public now are NOT what has been available in the past. Gunowners now are twitchy. And be careful not to drive up the wrong driveway or ring the doorbell at the wrong house....)Don't be ridiculous. ANYONE could get his hands on an M-1 in the sixties as they were available in large numbers due to being military surplus. It is a semi-auto rifle in the same sense as an AR-15, but the M-1 fires a much more powerful bullet.

It would help if you knew the subject better.

You didn't ask if I was wiling to join a militia. You asked if I was willing to fight for my country.
Nooooo, I said "supplementary to the regular armed forces". That could be local.


I've already given you three good ones. You have yet to come up with one aside from the mental illness/family connection I noted earlier.
The internet -- websites, email, Facebook, AND social media, the death of us all.

It would help if you knew the subject better.
Dear Christian, I thank you so much for that wonderfully encouraging and loving comment!

Nope. This was your question. "Are YOU willing to be called on to fight for your country?"

I don't think the internet is a major contributor. These mass shootings started before the internet was a huge deal like it is now. However, I think these insane "shoot em up" video games are a really bad idea, and I think you would agree with that.

You mean I should make encouraging and loving comments like this one? "C'mon! THINK!!!" Hmmm. Physician heal thyself???

Nope. This was your question. "Are YOU willing to be called on to fight for your country?"
Back when the Second Amendment was written, "your country" was your immediate environs, most likely on the East Coast and probably what we now call New England.

I don't think the internet is a major contributor. These mass shootings started before the internet was a huge deal like it is now. However, I think these insane "shoot em up" video games are a really bad idea, and I think you would agree with that.
Of course the internet has been a huge influence! Back when I was a kid, I played in the treehouse my brother and I had built in the cherry tree, read Uncle Scrooge comics (I still have them!), played with my stuffed animals and dolls, and built a ranch with Lincoln Logs, added plastic cowboys and cowgirls and horses, combined that with a Playskool farm set (with fences and plastic cattle!). That kept my brother and me busy for hours. Now it's Reddit, TikTok, Facebook, youtube videos from which kids can learn and see all sorts of things -- and so much more.

You mean I should make encouraging and loving comments like this one? "C'mon! THINK!!!" Hmmm. Physician heal thyself???
That was very appropriate. Sure. You know how much I care about you! Hope it's mutual.

Back when the Second Amendment was written, "your country" was your immediate environs, most likely on the East Coast and probably what we now call New England.Where are the words "your country" found in the second amendment?

As to the internet, you did not read my comment carefully enough. I will simply encourage you to read it again, a little more slowly.

Why is it always "appropriate" when it comes from you? Prejudiced, perhaps?

I do care for you. I pray for you regularly.

Second Amendment:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

I had written, "Are YOU willing to be called on to fight for your country?" Now it's a country. Back then, it wasn't.

It was very much a country, even prior to the ratification of the Constitution. Remember the Articles of confederation?

It was very much a country, even prior to the ratification of the Constitution. Remember the Articles of confederation?
Thirteen states.

And your point is???

And your point is???
Very small area, no hardship to travel to locations where militiamen were needed with their muskets.

And "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is for the defense of the country, not for the purpose of killing each other.

Self-defense is a perfectly legit use of guns.

And self-defense is rare. Most of the time it's aggression, kill them before they kill me. Or because of mental illness. Or unresolved anger.

Sorry how can he effectively represent the people of PA ? He has not recovered and his being in Senate is a disservice to the people of his state and to himself.

'Hunger Is Not A Republican Or Democrat Issue': John Fetterman Gives Opening Statement At Ag Cmte - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKv1NQ6r4JA)

Democrats can't wait to be rid of Dianne Feinstein, who is also incapable of performing her duties. They know that in California, her replacement will be farther to the left. There is no such guarantee in Pennsylvania and that is why they tolerate this charade .

Was he reading that statement?

Is he receiving ongoing treatment?

What about Mitch?

Yes and I have heard 2nd graders with better reading ability .He cannot function in the world's greatest deliberative body . Many people who become ill end up having to leave their job because they can no longer fulfill their function .

Shame on the Dems in PA and frankly the people of the state too. They had a choice between a doctor and a patient and they chose the patient .

I listened to/watched several videos of him before and after. He certainly does better than Biden. And that other old guy, Trump.

Biden yes, but better than Trump? Don't be silly.

Tom is right in that it's mind-boggling that the voters would choose a bona-fide mental patient to serve in the Senate.

Trump is falling apart, physically and mentally. Many of his true believers are deserting him.

Trump is falling apart, physically and mentally.As with most of your statements, you have no evidence at all of that.

As with most of your statements, you have no evidence at all of that.
Read something besides Faux News.

Read something besides Faux News.Like I said, you have no evidence. You are forced to resort to your usual strategy #3. "Oh, just look around the internet and you'll find it." It's an open admission that you have nothing on which to base your opinion. And that is not an unkind comment, but rather a description of what is obviously true. I would hope you would correct that.

Oh, I found several sites as soon as I googled with three good keywords. And they were unbiased sites, were just reporting based on quotes from former MAGA people about dwindling numbers, smaller crowds, etc. When I've posted links in the past, you cherry-pick plus twist and shout.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHhhGWAIz4

Strategy 4. Try to appear serious, but then post nonsense, all the while making a critical remark which you claim to dislike.

You need a bit of nonsense in your life! I've learned not to be serious with you any longer.

It's hard for you to be serious when you cannot support your opinions, so you end up with make believe material like this. "Oh, I found several sites as soon as I googled with three good keywords. And they were unbiased sites, were just reporting based on quotes from former MAGA people about dwindling numbers, smaller crowds, etc."

Do you really think anyone believes that?

Do you really think anyone believes that?
Heck, I was a librarian for almost thirty years. Google was my middle name.

Evidently you’ve forgotten it all?

Evidently you’ve forgotten it all?
I hate to have to wash off your spit on my keyboard.

Strategy 5. It is always someone else's fault and never Wondergirl's. If you were a student of mine, I would tell you to become a big girl and learn to accept some responsibility.

I hate to say it but Trump has solid leads in the GOP and is winning hands down in both the endorsement and fund raising dept. The best I can guess is that the Dems have concluded that Trump being the nominee is the best chance for the Dems to win. Otherwise their legal attacks on him are failing to move opinion polls .Instead Trump is getting solid support within the Repub ranks .

Remember Elon Musk's prediction. It will be interesting to see how this political persecution of Trump works out, and especially if it continues to look as though Bragg has but little in the way of evidence.

Better Trump than DeSatan.

DeSantis scares lefty progressives to death . He is an effective conservative leader without the daily drama.

DeSatan is an idiot.

Judging from how well Florida is doing, we desperately need more idiots. Unemployment there is 2.6%. GDP growth is about 8%. The budget SURPLUS is over 20 bil, the highest in state history. So that "idiot" is doing really well.


DeSatan is an idiot.Kind of a hateful statement from the person who claims to believe in civility and love. Good grief. It's why I tend not to pay attention to any of your complaints about others. You can sometimes be the worst offender as the quote above demonstrates.

I'm a big fan of DeSantis. He has the credentials as shown above, yet he doesn't have the big mouth problem of Trump. He is solidly pro-life and a fiscal conservative. Perhaps best of all, he is a man of courage when facing liberal critics. I have seen nothing in him at this point that concerns me.

Not even the secrecy?

Please be specific.

here we go


He was a JAG at Gitmo Recent unsubstantiated claims is that he participated in torture

I have no idea what other alleged secrecy we are talking about . He is taking heat for recently being on the campaign trail rather than addressing flooding in Fla. I don't know the validity of the claim.

Does he know what day of the week it is without needing prompting? If so, then he would be a huge step forward.

The liberal press is hard at work to cover for the shortcomings of Fetterman's mental abilities. This is what he actually said recently.


"The Republicans want to give a work requirement for SNAP," Fetterman said. "You know, for a uh, uh, uh, a hungry family has to have these, this kind of penalties, or these some kinds of word — working uh, require — Shouldn’t you have a working requirement, after we sail your bank, billions of your bank? Because you seem we were preoccupied, uh when, then SNAP requirements for works, for hungry people, but not about protecting the tax, the tax papers, you know, that will bail them out of whatever does about a bank to crash it."

This is how Jeff Stein of the Washington Post "quoted" him.


"Shouldn't you have a working requirement after we bail out your bank? Republicans seem to be more preoccupied with SNAP requirements for hungry people than protecting taxpayers that have to bail out these banks."
Rather sadly, he actually seemed to be pursuing a good line of questioning. It would have been nice if he had gone on to ask why the utterly inept Biden admin did not exercise more efficient oversight of this bank and prevent this idiocy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-fettermans-office-has-quietly-doctored-several-quotes-make-him-sound-more-coherent-review-fin

SVB gave Dems 77% of their campaign donations.
Dems with the exception of the blond hair blue eyed native American Senator favored the President's bailouts But even Warren hedged on the bailout of regional banks.
It was the right wing Repubs that generally opposed the bailouts.

Me I oppose bank bailouts and would oppose them with "working requirements ". whatever Uncle Festerman means by that . SNAP ? The reality is that most families that get SNAP have at least one family member working ;and a third had 2 or more.

So besides his incoherent ramblings ;his facts are wrong.
I also think that anyone getting government largess who is able bodied should have some kind of work requirement for eligibility .

;his facts are wrong.Why should today be different from any other day.

I also think that anyone getting government largess who is able bodied should have some kind of work requirement for eligibility .I've oftentimes thought that, especially in times of low unemployment, the government should only offer wage supplements. You get a job, the feds will add some to it if it's a low income job. But for those who are sound of mind and body, there is no free money.

It is what Roosevelt got right. He created temporary Federal work projects and state grants for local employment .

The difference was that there were no jobs in the private sector. Today we pay people to not work and then say we need a flood of immigration to staff unfilled jobs. It is an absurd situation.

Here are some factoids. 1960 childhood obesity was less than 5%. Today it's 20% 30% of today's teens have pre-diabetes. The greatest increase in type 2 diabetes in youth are in Black Hispanic and other minority children.
All of this can be attributed mostly to an unhealthy diet.

So that being said ;what is the #1 food item purchased with SNAP ? You guessed it ;sugary drinks .

In the Shopping Cart of a Food Stamp Household: Lots of Soda - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/well/eat/food-stamp-snap-soda.html#:~:text=The%20findings%20show%20that%20t he,dollars%20they%20spent%20on%20food.)

10% of all SNAP purchases are soda and like .

Should We Continue To Subsidize Sugar In The Food Stamps Program? : The Salt : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/10/29/659634119/food-stamps-for-soda-time-to-end-billion-dollar-subsidy-for-sugary-drinks)

At the tail end of this we also subsidize the increased health care costs associated with these diet choices.

Does SNAP consider the value of these food items :or are they catering to soft drink lobby efforts ?

KEEPING SODA IN SNAP: Understanding the Other Iron Triangle - PMC (nih.gov) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8797053/)

Corporations are not alone in the blame.

Anti-hunger groups like FRAC and some liberals in Congress have been opposed to SSB restrictions because, for them, SNAP isn’t entirely about nutrition. They value SNAP not as a tool to alter food choices but as way to increase the overall purchasing power of low income Americans. Every additional $30 in monthly SNAP benefits might raise total SNAP household food spending on average by only $19.48, so in these instances one third of the added benefit is operating like an income supplement. As one pro-welfare Democrat was willing to say in private, “It’s not a health program.”

USDA has a long history of resisting SSB restrictions in SNAP. In 2004, the state of Minnesota asked USDA for permission to block the use of SNAP for SSBs and candy, but USDA refused, explaining that implementing such a waiver would “perpetuate the myth that participants do not make wise food purchasing decisions.”

The House committee on agriculture did hold a hearing on the SSB restrictions issue in February 2017, but one committee member after another speculated about what might go wrong. A restriction might be insulting to the poor; it might result in only a small diet quality improvement; it might impose unacceptable hardships on retailers. The best way to answer such questions is with a pilot study, but even this has been more than Congress wants to accept.


So basically everyone involved has a vested interest in keeping bad food choices subsidized. $10s of billions go into the effort to feed the poor unhealthy food. What does Uncle Festerman say about that?

It reminds me of an incident in my life from years ago. I walked into a grocery store and spotted, from a distance, a display of donuts. I thought I might get some, but decided the price was too high. As I checked out, a lady in front of me was paying with her SNAP card, but she didn't have enough left on the card, so she had to put some things back. As she picked through the many bags, would you care to guess what she had? A box of donuts, the very ones I had passed on because of the price. So I walked out thinking of how I had helped (taxes) her buy an over-priced item she positively did not need, the very one I would not buy for my family.

Another time I watched an older lady buy a carton of cigarettes. She paid for those with cash, and then bought some grocery items (in a convenience store!) and paid with food stamps. So we were subsidizing her smoking addiction.

Yeah, the system is a mess. They can even use the cards in some states to go to a restaurant!

Clueless Joe -Fetterman 2024 . What a team !

Fetterman met the President yesterday in Philadelphia while wearing ratty shorts ,sneakers and a hoodie.
They were there to discuss the repair of a section of I-95 in Pa that got smacked by a truck and collapsed . Fetterman made a brief comment before handing off to Rep. Brendan Boyle.

He said that Clueless" is here to commit to work with the governor and the delegadation to make sure that we get this fixed quick, fast, as well, too. This is a president that is committed to infructure, yeah, and then on top of that the jewel kind of a law of the infration."

Fetterman introduced Brendan Boyle to the podium as "Congressman Boyle Bile."

John Fetterman Praises Biden For Helping Fix Bridges In Event Promoting I-95 Repairs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXoAAsYfmg8)

I see him on a ticket with Clueless Joe who wrapped up a gun control address in Hartford Connecticut by saying 'God Save the Queen Man '

Biden says ‘God save the Queen’ as he wraps up his gun safety speech - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZEDtRc7so)

It’s just stunning how low we have gone. If you put fet and JB together, would you have one adequate leader?