It is making ihet's way across Florida with it's devastation . Most of my family lives in the state and are in it's direct path. By this weekend it will set a bullseye where I live in SC

Before that it ravaged Cuba.

Best wishes and prayers for all in its path.

Soon you will hear the narrative that storms like Ian are the direct result of extreme weather caused by global warming /climate change that is human caused.

This is nonsense.

To read a good, referenced rebuttal to almost all the arguments in favor of that hypothesis; I recommend a fiction book that is well referenced and documented.

The book is Michael Crichton's thriller 'State of Fear'. Every assumption made by the climate change cult is countered in this fiction that is an easy read about ecoterrorism done in the name of saving the planet.

Those of us in Mississippi who lived through Camille know that hurricanes are not becoming more violent.
1969 camille aug 17th,just west from the SSE as a cat 5 175mph (hurdat) 900mb ,major damage with a 22 ft storm surge in this area. kills 137 along the coast .

The politization of the storm has begun .

1. Before the storm Clueless called Dem mayors in Florida about Federal responses and failed to call Guv DeSantis until it was reported. He then called the Guv to try to counter the negative press.

2.CNNs Don Lemon repeatedly tried to get NOAA's hurricane director Jamie Rhome to say that Ian was caused by climate change. When his answers were unsatisfactory to the climate change cult ; their experts were invited to rebut .

Discredited climate cult leader Michael Mann (the hockey stick graph "trick" that conveniently did a "hide the decline ") called Rhomes a denier for suggesting that a single event like Ian is evidence of climate change .

There are many comments that suggest severe weather events are a new thing. But those of us burdened by history know otherwise.

There was a devastating hurricane that hit Tampa /St Pete Oct 25,1921 . It was the biggest hurricane to hit the West coast of Florida and it was preceded by the hurricane of 1848 .

There is plenty of social media commentary that says things like "not saying the Republicans in Fla deserve it but ,,,,,

Migrants (mainly refugees from Venezuela) are so thankful to DeSantis for busing/flying them north to safety before Hurricane Ian hit Florida.

yes and they can live on Dem freebees instead of picking grapefruits .

Actually no. They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.

They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.Mere speculation. You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.

Mere speculation. You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.
Google that!

I have learned many times that googling your non-information is an absolute waste of my time. It's your info, so it's up to you to support it.

Note to other readers. Perhaps it will happen this time, but typically it does not.

if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com) (https://adnamerica.com/en/united-states/congressman-says-homeland-security-confirmed-venezuela-sends-violent-criminals-united)

The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.

Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.

The vast majority of the Venezuelan migrants want to work.

"Massachusetts has many resources to assist individuals who arrive with varying immigration statuses and needs," Governor Baker said. "The state is working with all partners involved to make sure those resources are available to the migrants that arrived on Wednesday."


if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com) (https://adnamerica.com/en/united-states/congressman-says-homeland-security-confirmed-venezuela-sends-violent-criminals-united)
Ah, another Republican who hasn't been to Martha's Vineyard. If he only knew....

He is citing a DHS intelligence report .

The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.Tells us nothing about the immigrants as opposed to the general pop.


Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.I'd have to see data to support that opinion, but even if true, let them come legally.


The vast majority of the Venezuelan migrants want to work.Another opinion.


"Massachusetts has many resources to assist individuals who arrive with varying immigration statuses and needs," Governor Baker said. "The state is working with all partners involved to make sure those resources are available to the migrants that arrived on Wednesday."Not sure what that has to do with your point.

I KNEW it!!!!!

Kam the sham spoke to a DNC Woman's leadership forum Friday and said hurricane disaster relief would be distributed based on "equity " ;that that "communities of color" would be first to receive aid.

I KNEW it!!!!!Yeah. That's what happens when you are asked to provide support and you merely provide opinion. What happened to googling?

Yeah. That's what happens when you are asked to provide support and you merely provide opinion. What happened to googling?
Not opinion. I GOOGLED!!!

Oh? And the links?

Oh? And the links?
For you to cherry-pick from and trash?

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why is it always someone else's fault???

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why is it always someone else's fault???
Why do you always behave that way? I notice you do it to others too.

The information is quoted directly from the Migration Policy institute . It is an activist think tank funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation and the Gates Foundation primarily . It advocates for permeant legal residence for illegals in the US .

To their credit the institute also advocates for border enforcement and workplace enforcement ;something the open border left has discarded for a long time now.

Kam the Sham's exact words about how emergency hurricane disaster relief should be allocated :


We have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place. And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities and do that work.

Why do you always behave that way? I notice you do it to others too.Again, you are blaming someone else.

As for KH's comments, it is simply childish to wish for people to be "in the same place". The government should certainly be concerned with equal application of the law, but for everyone to be in the "same place" is just silliness. It has never happened and it never will.

As predicted ;the left is linking hurricanes to climate change . I can read these people like a book .

To understand the scale of the climate emergency, look at hurricanes | Peter Kalmus | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/01/climate-emergency-hurricane-ian-crisis)

As predicted ;the left is linking hurricanes to climate change . I can read these people like a book .

To understand the scale of the climate emergency, look at hurricanes | Peter Kalmus | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/01/climate-emergency-hurricane-ian-crisis)

What game are you playing, tomder? That link proves climate change is a deadly event threatening the planet like nothing else. I hope everybody reads it.

From melting icecaps to extended droughts and everything in between, climate change (aka global warming) is happening. The big mystery is why in the world does the right-wing deny it?

At least there is one semi-reasonable lib out there who can somewhat smell the coffee. Bill Gates realizes that destroying the economies of the West will not solve the problem.


Gates made the comment on an episode of Bloomberg’s Zero podcast with host Akshat Rathi, which was published on Wednesday. Rathi had asked Gates if a "social and political revolution" was needed to compensate for technology’s shortcomings in addressing climate change. Bill Gates, co-chairman of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, speaks during the Earthshot Prize Innovation Summit in New York, US, on Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2022. "Anyone who says that we will tell people to stop eating meat, or stop wanting to have a nice house, and we'll just basically change human desires, I think that that's too difficult," Gates admitted


He then argued that these things don’t necessarily have to play a central role in fighting climate change, noting that rich countries only account for less than a third of all emissions."
"Those [remaining] two-thirds of emissions are pretty basic in terms of the calories and shelter and transport and goods being used. So, the excesses of the rich countries … even curbing those completely out of existence is not a solution to this problem," he said adding: "I'm looking at what the world has to do to get to zero, not using climate as a moral crusade."



Of course it likely also has to do with the hypocritical stance of the wealthy left to want "climate change" without it meaning they have to give up their huge houses and private jets.

This ("I'm looking at what the world has to do to get to zero.) is a worthwhile goal, but to think it can be done in the next couple of decades is sheer foolishness.

Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change . That is just a fear mongering myth. The author Peter Kalmus uses models that are programed to support predetermined predictions of the future . That type of "science " is no more legit than soothsaying . Would NASA or NOAA climate research be funded if their models contradicted preconceived notions ?

It was very clever of the consensus cult to change the name from 'global warming ' to 'climate change ' when their predictions did not pan out . It is a catch all . Severe rain event ....climate change ;drought ....climate change . hot summer ....climate change ,,,,cold winter ... climate change .

What is really cool about it is that indeed the climate is always in a constant state of change . So how can they be wrong ?

HL Menckken said ; “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”


The same could be said of the science industrial complex that Ike warned against. Everyone remembers his warning about the military industrial complex .Few recall his warning in the same address about the science elites

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields ,” . “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”
He respected science discovery and research But he warned , “We must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961) | National Archives (https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address)

The truth of hurricane intensity is right here in black/white for anyone who is genuinely interested in the truth.

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade (noaa.gov) (https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml)

Another great link with this common-sense observation. "Year-by-year short and moderate duration Atlantic tropical storm counts. Atlantic tropical storms lasting more than 2 days have not increased in number. Storms lasting less than two days have increased sharply, but this is likely due to better observations."

Historical Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storm Records – Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (noaa.gov) (https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/)

tomder, noted that you failed to support your position, and never answered my question. I'll take it point by point.


Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change . That is just a fear mongering myth. The author Peter Kalmus uses models that are programed to support predetermined predictions of the future . That type of "science " is no more legit than soothsaying . Would NASA or NOAA climate research be funded if their models contradicted preconceived notions ?

You need to explain what you mean by "predetermined models" that support climate change. The rest of that paragraph is just blowing smoke.


It was very clever of the consensus cult to change the name from 'global warming ' to 'climate change ' when their predictions did not pan out . It is a catch all . Severe rain event ....climate change ;drought ....climate change . hot summer ....climate change ,,,,cold winter ... climate change

"Consensus cult"? Good phrase. Now give us some proof. Casting slurs and just repeating and repeating doesn't help.


What is really cool about it is that indeed the climate is always in a constant state of change . So how can they be wrong ?

"Climate is always in a constant state of change". Is this the best you can do?


HL Menckken said ; “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

Mencken quotes are always clever, but this one says nary a thing about the issue. Nice try.


The same could be said of the science industrial complex that Ike warned against. Everyone remembers his warning about the military industrial complex .Few recall his warning in the same address about the science elites

Eisenhower? Eisenhower? Will you ever get to the point?


“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields ,” . “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”
He respected science discovery and research But he warned , “We must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961) | National Archives (https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address)

I'm sorry, tomder, but your reply is so lacking in anything pertaining to or supporting climate change or global warming being a myth, that it's actually uncomfortable to read, realizing it's coming from you. You usually do much better although I just as usually disagree with you.

You ignored the polar ice cap melting, glaciers melting, Pacific islands slowly being engulfed by the ocean, the rise of sea levels, and many more in the article you yourself posted which is another mystery. Why would you link to an article against your position? Anybody that reads it will come away with solid evidence of global warming.

But the biggest mystery of all, which you did not answer, is why does the right-wing invest so much in denying climate change? If the anti-position was widespread among all types of people, it would have a bit more credence. When it's almost totally among the right-wing, the question why needs to be asked - and answered.

Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change They are not increasing in intensity or frequency at all.

predetermined models that support climate change of course they are programed to come to a conclusion that is predetermined . Worse than that is that once the data is assembled ,the same person or people who came up with the modelling are evaluating the data . True science would do it in a double blind method . This is not done in climate science . The evaluators are true believers . THat is why I used the term Consensus cult.


Mencken quotes are always clever, but this one says nary a thing about the issue. Nice try.
This quote is indeed apropos because it describes the strategy of the climate cult to make us afraid of immediate catastrophe unless we agree to draconian economy busting measures to remedy this impending disaster they've concocted . You saw yourself how effective they were able to make the whole world a bunch of sheeple during covid by preaching doom and gloom .


Eisenhower? Eisenhower? Will you ever get to the point?

His message was timeless and you would have no issue with it if I were speaking about the relationship between the government and the defense industry . Government and academic funding does not happen if the people doing the research are AGW skeptics .

Ice has been melting since the end of thePleistocene . Climate doctrine today completely ignores eras like the tremendous cooling that occured between the 14th and 19th century (we are also coming out of that era ) Climate doctine ignores periods of warming of the earth before the industrial revolution like theMedieval Climate Optimum when the earth was warmer than today .
Climate doctrine completely ignores other possible factors for climate change except human activity . The Little Ice age occurred at the same time as a solar minimum. How much impact did that have on the climate ? There was increased solar activity during the Medieval warm period . .

What I do know is that the Little Ice Age was a time of human suffering , The Medieval warm period was a time of civilization advancement ;.agriculture spread and generated food surpluses. Humans began to travel to new lands that became accessible . The Vikings colonized a green Greenland . In the South New Zealand was colonized .
Maybe this warming isn't something to fear .Maybe humans should do what we do best ....exploit it .

It is a matter of concern that so much of the climate research community seems to have arrived at a conclusion prior to doing the research. That kind of prejudice never serves well.

More demonstration of the left attempting to use natural disaster to advance their agenda

Hurricane Ian damage and recovery are set to make wealth disparities worse (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/hurricane-ian-damage-recovery-fema-make-wealth-disparities-worse-rcna50226)


Hurricane Ian has already caused (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ian-hurricane-death-toll-grows-florida-south-carolina-virginia-rcna50312) at least 34 deaths, and early numbers suggest that financial losses could hit $40 billion (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/hurricane-ian-insured-losses-may-hit-40-billion-new-estimate-finds/3888741/). But these numbers tell only part of the story. What they don’t reveal is how Ian will lead to growing inequality, and heighten racial disparities.

Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change


They are not increasing in intensity or frequency at all.


From NOAA

Atlantic hurricanes display distinct busy and quiet periods: Busy hurricane decades occurred in the late 19th century, mid-20th century, and from the mid-1990s onward, but quieter decades in the early 20th century and in the 1970s to early-1990s.



These multi-decadal variations in Atlantic tropical storms and hurricanes have been linked to a phenomenon called the Atlantic Multidecadal Variability, which may be primarily natural internal variability or aerosol-driven.



A detectable greenhouse gas-induced influence on observed Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane behavior to date is difficult to identify because of the 50-80 year variability in hurricane activity.



The bottom-line answer to the question in the title is: No, we cannot confidently detect a trend today in observed Atlantic hurricane activity due to man-made (greenhouse gas-driven) climate change. Some human influence may be present though still below the threshold for confident detection.


Can we detect a change in Atlantic hurricanes today due to human-caused climate change? | NOAA Climate.gov (https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/beyond-data/can-we-detect-change-atlantic-hurricanes-today-due-human-caused)

If anything it is the increase in population in waterfront communities that invite disaster. Building mobile home parks on the edge of the sand line was not smart planning .

This chart pretty well sums it up. There are variations up and down, but no particular increases relative to, for instance, the late 19th century.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/missed_storms_vecchi_2021.jpg

Only the paragraph below merits a reply. The rest was more of the same and best ignored.


Ice has been melting since the end of thePleistocene . Climate doctrine today completely ignores eras like the tremendous cooling that occured between the 14th and 19th century (we are also coming out of that era ) Climate doctine ignores periods of warming of the earth before the industrial revolution like theMedieval Climate Optimum when the earth was warmer than today .
Climate doctrine completely ignores other possible factors for climate change except human activity . The Little Ice age occurred at the same time as a solar minimum. How much impact did that have on the climate ? There was increased solar activity during the Medieval warm period.

Your claim that "climate doctrine" completely ignores those factors you mentioned is simply and totally untrue. Those issues are addressed in the link you provided. This false accusation has been the number one objection to global warming since the beginning. No one denies climate change and ice ages have occurred in the past. The difference today is that it is occurring at a rapid speed due to man-made technology - not at rates of millions of years.

I am still waiting for the reason for the right-wing political side to be so against global warming.


If anything it is the increase in population in waterfront communities that invite disaster. Building mobile home parks on the edge of the sand line was not smart planning .

Is this an admission of climate change?


More demonstration of the left attempting to use natural disaster to advance their agenda

Hurricane Ian damage and recovery are set to make wealth disparities worse (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/hurricane-ian-damage-recovery-fema-make-wealth-disparities-worse-rcna50226)

Exactly where is the left attempting to use natural disaster to advance their agenda? What about the agenda of the right - he asked for a third time.

Is this an admission of climate change?Even a semi-careful reading of previous posts shows that there is no denial of climate changing. The issue centers around the cause of the change and what, if anything, can be done about it. The topic of discussion actually concerned hurricane trends which, as has been clearly shown, have been cycling for 150 years with no clear influence from CO2 issues.

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If anything it is the increase in population in waterfront communities that invite disaster. Building mobile home parks on the edge of the sand line was not smart planning .



Is this an admission of climate change?


Of course not . Simply stated ;if you live by water expect to get wet . My home and my previous one were on the high ground for very good reasons ,

What you should be asking is why all the climate cultists like the Goracle ;the emperor and Quid Pro Joe all have made recent and very expensive home purchases on the ocean if they are concerned about rising seas .

I am still waiting for the reason for the right-wing political side to be so against global warming.

I don't speak for the "right-wing political side" . When I see enough proof that the changes the cultists predict is happening then only then would I agree to such radical draconian society changing measures they suggest .
As I mentioned ,they are always looking for scary things to influence us to adopt their utopian dreams .

Recently Under-Secretary-General for Global Communications at the United Nations, highlighted that the UN had partnered with several big tech companies, including TikTok and Google, to control COVID and climate narratives while claiming, “We own the science.”

What you should be asking is why all the climate cultists like the Goracle ;the emperor and Quid Pro Joe all have made recent and very expensive home purchases on the ocean if they are concerned about rising seas .

I'll be happy to look into that question.

Meanwhile, what about the right-wing agenda? Have you decided not to answer it? Or do you just have no answer.

.I don't speak for the "right-wing political side"

You don't? I thought you did. You have done so here for years.

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When I see enough proof that the changes the cultists predict is happening then only then would I agree to such radical draconian society changing measures they suggest .

Simple enough to see the proof. Simple enough to google. What are the draconian changes? You never seem to answer legitimate questions. You just keep making unsupported statements.


As I mentioned ,they are always looking for scary things to influence us to adopt their utopian dreams .

More of the unsupported - just wild accusations. Colorful language, tho'.

What are the draconian changes?I'd call the Green New Deal pretty draconian. And this was, as you mentioned, "simple enough to google".


The Green New Deal (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033/Green-New-Deal-FINAL.pdf) (GND), which is not a bill in itself but rather a resolution for the government to craft new laws promoting clean energy, was published online along with an FAQ sheet (https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ) that highlights some of the proposal’s broad strokes. Particularly striking: an ambitious call for America to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2030."Green New Deal" Calls for a Zero-Emission America by 2030 (futurism.com) (https://futurism.com/green-new-deal-zero-emission-2030)


You never seem to answer legitimate questions. You just keep making unsupported statements. You're really saying that about others on this site???

Simple enough to see the proof. Simple enough to google

Maybe you did not see this comment above



Recently Under-Secretary-General for Global Communications at the United Nations, highlighted that the UN had partnered with several big tech companies, including TikTok and Google, to control COVID and climate narratives while claiming, “We own the science.”




The comment from Melissa Fleming, Under-Secretary-General for Global Communications, United Nations was made at a 'tackling Disinformation forum' last month


Tackling disinformation – how can we combat the lies that go viral? – The European Sting - Critical News & Insights on European Politics, Economy, Foreign Affairs, Business & Technology - europeansting.com (https://europeansting.com/2022/10/02/tackling-disinformation-how-can-we-combat-the-lies-that-go-viral/)

“We partnered with Google,” “for example, if you Google ‘climate change,’ you will, at the top of your search, you will get all kinds of UN resources.
“We started this partnership when we were shocked to see that when we Googled ‘climate change,’ we were getting "incredibly distorted information "right at the top.
“We’re becoming much more proactive. We own the science, and we think that the world should know it, and the platforms themselves also do,”


In other words ;anything that is contrary to conventional wisdom is "distorted information " to be purged from the public. Galileo had an easier time with the Inquisitors .

“We started this partnership when we were shocked to see that when we Googled ‘climate change,’ we were getting "incredibly distorted information "right at the top.That's really concerning. Even if I was all in for the climate change agenda, I'd be concerned about that effort to control public access to information. Doesn't say much for Google either for them to be "partnered with".

Even NOAA finds no evidence of increased hurricanes or frequency due to AGW

Historical Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storm Records – Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (noaa.gov) (https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/)


The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S. landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s.

And that's not to say that global temps have not eased upwards a bit over the past several decades. They have, but the nightmare scenarios predicted by the radical climate change advocates have not generally panned out. The biggest threat to food production, for instance, is not drought, but rather the squeezing of fertilizer supplies by those very same CC advocates.

Perfect example of that is the idiotic unnecessary famine in Sri Lanka due to the do good envirowacko movement that instituted organic farming there .

President Rajapaksa in 2021 banned synthetic fertilizer and pesticide imports practically overnight, forcing Sri Lanka’s millions of farmers to go organic. He said that chemical fertilizers and pesticides were leading to “adverse health and environmental impacts” and that such farming methods went against the country’s heritage of “sustainable food systems.” He learned this nonsense from NGO and international busybodies .He said it would save the nation $400 million in the import of fertilizers .

The ban caused rice production to drop 20 percent in the six months . So now instead of being self sufficient in rice production ,the nation needs to import $ 450 million in rice . Prices at the store went up 50%

It's biggest export crop ;tea ,fell by 18 % .

Nothing destabilizes and riles up a population more than starvation . They had been gaining achieving upper to middle class status .In one years time more than a half million of the people sunk back into poverty . 300,000 people took to the streets demanding his resignation.

President Rajapaksa in 2021 banned synthetic fertilizer and pesticide imports practically overnight, forcing Sri Lanka’s millions of farmers to go organic. He said that chemical fertilizers and pesticides were leading to “adverse health and environmental impacts” and that such farming methods went against the country’s heritage of “sustainable food systems.” He learned this nonsense from NGO and international busybodies .He said it would save the nation $400 million in the import of fertilizers .I wonder what the odds are that Pres. Raj got his pockets padded?


The ban caused rice production to drop 20 percent in the six months . So now instead of being self sufficient in rice production ,the nation needs to import $ 450 million in rice . Prices at the store went up 50%He and Biden must have attended the same conference on how to go from being self-sufficient to having to import commodities. In their case it's rice, while in our case it's petroleum.

Tackling disinformation – how can we combat the lies that go viral? – The European Sting - Critical News & Insights on European Politics, Economy, Foreign Affairs, Business & Technology - europeansting.com (https://europeansting.com/2022/10/02/tackling-disinformation-how-can-we-combat-the-lies-that-go-viral/)

“We partnered with Google,” “for example, if you Google ‘climate change,’ you will, at the top of your search, you will get all kinds of UN resources.
“We started this partnership when we were shocked to see that when we Googled ‘climate change,’ we were getting "incredibly distorted information "right at the top.
“We’re becoming much more proactive. We own the science, and we think that the world should know it, and the platforms themselves also do,”

This was an attempt to fight disinformation about climate change. It is never good to influence what should be objective observers reporting the truth. However, none of the above changes the truth.


In other words ;anything that is contrary to conventional wisdom is "distorted information " to be purged from the public.

Conventional wisdom does not replace science. In fact, it often IS distorted information, as it is in this case.


Perfect example of that is the idiotic unnecessary famine in Sri Lanka due to the do good envirowacko movement that instituted organic farming there

The disaster in Sri Lanka was due to incompetent management by the president, as you pointed out. It is not an example of global warming being false.

I researched Gore, Obama and Biden. It is true all bought homes on shorelines of the ocean. However, I could not determine whether the areas involved are considered low-lying shorelines susceptible to climate changing sea rises.

Conventional wisdom does not replace science. In fact, it often IS distorted information, as it is in this case.
BINGO !!! Group think conventional wisdom about climate change is not science .

What are the draconian changes?

As Jl said ;the Green New Deal comes immediately to mind . California's conversion to no gas autos by 2030 is another one . There is zero chance that would happen in 25 years let alone 7-8 years . The technology is just not there yet , Even if it was ;the conversion to all EV is a terrible idea that causes more environmental problems than it solves ;and makes us even more dependent on other nations for our energy .

There is nothing wrong with being a conservationist /environmentalist per se. The problem is that the movement is in the hands of left wing ideologues with their tired old ideas of more bureaucracy, more regulation , more political control over people and resources, and litigation to get what they can't achieve by the elective process.

Typical of the left ,they think the solution to everything is to spend other people's money. Real environmental and conservation should not be a disguise for what they are really after which is utopian egalitarianism . If there were simple solutions they would reject them in favor of the ones that transform society to their vision. Statists have hijacked the environmental movement and use it as a pretext for their real mission.

I researched Gore, Obama and Biden. It is true all bought homes on shorelines of the ocean. However, I could not determine whether the areas involved are considered low-lying shorelines susceptible to climate changing sea rises.

Brit scientist James Lovelock died in July . He was the inventor of the device that made it possible to gage CFCs in the atmosphere. He was also the inventor of the Gaia theory that postulates that the earth and all it's components ;including it's biological systems ,act as a single self controlled and regulated entity .

He moved to the sea side later in life. When asked about it he responded that he was not concerned about rising sea levels . He said "At worst, I think it will be 2 feet a century.” If that is true then the emperor has no concerns because his house is 8 feet above sea levels and offset from the beach by a football field length .

Typical of the left ,they think the solution to everything is to spend other people's money.Even worse, they want to spend money we don't have through borrowing and printing.

There is nothing wrong with being a conservationist /environmentalist per se. The problem is that the movement is in the hands of left wing ideologues with their tired old ideas of more bureaucracy, more regulation , more political control over people and resources, and litigation to get what they can't achieve by the elective process.

Typical of the left ,they think the solution to everything is to spend other people's money. Real environmental and conservation should not be a disguise for what they are really after which is utopian egalitarianism . If there were simple solutions they would reject them in favor of the ones that transform society to their vision. Statists have hijacked the environmental movement and use it as a pretext for their real mission.

This reads exactly like a MAGA-REPUBLICAN cultist screed.

Biden said, "I think the one thing [the hurricane] has ended is the discussion about whether or not there is climate change and we should do something about it." Evidently, he didn't bother to discuss that with his own climate experts who clearly do not agree.

Jamie Rhome, the acting director of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Hurricane Center, told CNN in an interview on Sept. 27, "I don’t think you can link climate change to any one event. On the whole, on the cumulative, climate change may be making storms worse," he continued. "But to link it to any one event, I would caution against that."

Even in terms of material damage, the case cannot be made at all. But of course, all of this data is from that infamous, right-wing band of conspiracy nuts known as NOAA. They might even be a bunch of white evangelicals!!
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oh those pesky inconvenient facts