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Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

Sharon Bernstein and Rose Horowitch
Mon, July 11, 2022 at 5:14 AM

By Sharon Bernstein and Rose Horowitch

(Reuters) - With its excellent academic and music programs, Oberlin College in Ohio seemed like a perfect fit for Nina Huang, a California high school student who plays flute and piano and hopes to eventually study medicine or law.

But Huang, 16, said she crossed the college off her application list after Ohio enacted a near-total ban on abortion last month. She now plans to cast a wider net for schools in states with less restrictive laws.

"I don't want to go to school in a state where there is an abortion ban," she said.

The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

While it has long been the case that some students hesitated to attend schools in places with different political leanings than their own, recent moves by conservative states on issues such as abortion and LGBTQ+ rights have deepened the country's polarization.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences.
Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools.

"Some of our students have explicitly stated that they will not apply to colleges and universities in states which may infringe on their access to reproductive rights," said Daniel Santos, chief executive of the Florida college counseling company Prepory.

'TOPIC OF CONCERN'

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.
Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri.

She feels wary, however, after the state enacted a law effectively banning abortion.
"Now my mom has warned me that I need to be very careful when applying to schools in states with trigger laws," said Prisco, 17, referring to bans designed to take effect once the Supreme Court overturned Roe.

Washington University declined to comment but shared a June 24 statement in which university leaders acknowledged the fears and frustration felt by some after the court ruling. Oberlin College did not respond to requests for comment.

Several students raised similar concerns about attending college in North Carolina after the state in 2016 passed a law restricting which bathrooms transgender people could use, said counselor Jayson Weingarten of New York-based Ivy Coach.

But he said many still chose to attend Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Admissions statistics from UNC show the number of applicants increased by 14% between 2016 and 2017 despite individual students' unease.

Abortion is "a topic of concern for most of the students but not something that’s going to dissuade them from going to one of the most highly selective schools in the country," Weingarten said.

Shahreen Abedin, a spokesperson for the University of Texas' medical school, said the school had not seen a drop in applications that it could reasonably attribute to a state ban on abortions after six weeks that took effect in September.

For Maryland high school student Sabrina Thaler, however, the prospect of attending college in a state that bans abortion is unsettling.

Thaler, 16, recalled the question she posed to her high school class during a discussion in May after the decision that ultimately overturned Roe v. Wade was leaked.

"What if I go to a college in a state where abortion is banned and I get raped and then
I don’t have the option to have an abortion?"

(Reporting by Sharon Bernstein in Sacramento, California and Rose Horowitch in Washington; Editing by Colleen Jenkins and Aurora Ellis)

"What if I go to a college in a state where abortion is banned and I get raped and then I don’t have the option to have an abortion?"She might be too ignorant and uninformed to go to college. Most states have some allowance for rape which is, in any event, extremely unlikely. She is much more likely to be killed in a car wreck. And even at that, she could drive to a more liberal state. Better yet, she could decide not to kill her unborn child which was not responsible for her rape. Making a college decision on that basis is about on the level of choosing a college because of its football team.

You apparently haven't been a female college student lately. We women college students had to be super careful even back in the '60s.

Kids are going to pick a college based on abortion availability ? No wonder why this country is so screwed up

You haven't been a woman college student either, have you...

You apparently haven't been a female college student lately. We women college students had to be super careful even back in the '60s.Just how "super careful" do you have to be to simply not have sex? Is there no end to the excuse-making? And you've never been a man, but that hasn't stopped you from continuously handing out ideas about how men should behave.

Rape was/is always a concern.

You haven't been a woman college student either, have you...

I don't have to be to realize some anecdotal examples does not prove that a significant number of prospective college applicants will make their decision based on abortion availability

Rapes account for about 1/2 of 1% of abortions and are allowed for in most states. Even more, emergency rooms can administer medications that prevent pregnancy, so the rape deal just doesn't get you very far.

I think you really underestimate these incoming women. I doubt they are saying, "Oh my goodness! I must find a state that allows for abortions in case the 10,000 to 1 chance occurs that I end up pregnant from rape."

At freshman orientation, we women were strongly advised to walk around the campus (and beyond it) in pairs or threesomes, especially after dark.

I wonder why.

Is that a true story, or is it another one of your make-believe specialties?

Absolutely true. And probably before you were out of diapers.

I would've said carry a gun.

Only .22s and BB guns were available.

We were taught verbal skills to avoid or escape.

Clueless penned an EO to protect "rights" that are not threatened .

This is the press release . The actual wording of the EO has not been released yet.

FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Executive Order Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/)

According to the release Clueless order will ensure pregnant women and those experiencing pregnancy loss have access to emergency medical care.
But that is already the law of the land. Since 1986 the 'Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act' has made those protections guaranteed .

Regarding abortions the WH release says that they must be provided if a mother's life is at risk.
That is not an issue and Clueless and his minions know this . So the only reason for the EO is to imply that Dobbs replaces this law. It does not .

But but what about contraception ? Obamacare mandates access to contraception .

Regarding abortions the WH release says that they must be provided if a mother's life is at risk.Ah, those pesky little words. Simply being pregnant puts her life at risk, as does getting into a car to drive to the emergency room. Just being alive means you are at risk. Find an unethical doctor and you can have your medical excuse for an abortion.

Which state does not already give exceptions if the mother's life is at risk ? This is just Clueless gaslighting the issue. I can't speak to your qualifier even though I'm sure the definition of at risk gets stretched .If I were a health professional in the states that have passed restrictive laws I would not attempt to stretch it too far. Will Clueless have an army of pro bono lawyers defending them ?

I question how states will prevent a woman travelling to another state to get an abortion . I don't believe that they can constitutionally prevent it ;and there is also HIPAA rules about privacy.

I know of no state that does not make an exception for the life of the mother being immediately at risk. The Pres is just playing politics.

It is my understanding that any woman who wants to travel to another state to have an abortion will be able to do so. We saw it all the time at the facility in our state. Car tags from other states were very common.

A favorite ploy of the pro-abortionists has been laws which allow exceptions for the health of the mother. Doctors very soon discovered that even suggesting that the mother would undergo issues with anxiety or depression was sufficient to grant access to an abortion. It's why we now view a "life of the mother" exception with some suspicion. We'll see how it pans out.

Ohio Attorney General: "Not A Whisper" About 10-Year-Old Denied Abortion In State's Centralized Law Enforcement System | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/07/11/ohio_attorney_general_not_a_whisper_about_10-year-old_denied_abortion_in_states_centralized_law_enfo rcement_system.html)

Seems to be just another liberal dem lie. Good grief. Might add that as it turns out, the whole deal about having to leave Ohio to get the abortion wasn't even true to begin with. Ohio law would have allowed it.

Popular progressive culture being what it is encourages 10 year old girls to be sexually active and therefore increase the possibility of them getting pregnant .It stands to reason that they would also defend that child's right to get an abortion and to bypass traditional parental consent .

Also if this was a rape case and the doctor knowingly aborted the baby then the doctor was also knowingly tampering with evidence of an illegal act .If this was a rape then were was the police report ? Also i'm not a biologist ,but do 10 year old girls normally menstruate ?

Popular progressive culture being what it is encourages 10 year old girls to be sexually active and therefore increase the possibility of them getting pregnant .Exactly correct. It is just astonishing how our culture has changed in my lifetime.

As it turns out, the whole episode was evidently just made up by either the Biden admin or by some media outlet.

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre refused to say if Biden had confirmed that local law enforcement was seeking the child’s attacker — and admitted the president had wielded the tale to make a political point.

“The President spoke to that — a young woman — just to show how extreme the decision on — the Dobbs decision was and just how extreme it is now for American public, the American families,” Jean-Pierre said at her daily press briefing Friday.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/biden-faces-doubt-over-story-of-10-year-old-rape-victim/ (https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/biden-faces-doubt-over-story-of-10-year-old-rape-victim/)

Also:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/8/white-house-wont-say-if-bidens-story-about-10-year/

admitted the president had wielded the tale to make a political point. So it would seem that he lied about it. Even worse, Ohio law would have allowed for the abortion to begin with, so that part was not true as well. Pro-life groups must have a pretty solid position if the pro-aborts have to make stories up.

Lied about it, like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkd_ZbZldg

People who actually have an interest in the truth would have included this.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fFJu2NdCFh8

But I'm glad to see you agreeing that JB lied about the ten year old girl.

People who actually have an interest in the truth would have included this.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fFJu2NdCFh8

"...peacefully..."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmTzFnymOM

Yep. And there was Trump right in the middle of the whole thing, egging them on. No...wait. Actually, he was NOT there, but he had earlier encouraged them to "peacefully and patriotically" let their voices be heard. That they did not do that is on them. These silly contentions of you liberal dems are about as absurd as blaming Biden for the BLM protests that occurred many, many times.

Like I said, "People who actually have an interest in the truth..."

Not "earlier". That was later, after his people got on his case and he saw all those scappy, yelling, sweaty men milling around, arms raised in the air, taking him seriously and ready to revolt.

Huh??? He made the "peacefully and patriotically" remark BEFORE (thus "earlier") the march and ensuing demonstration.


"I know that everyone here will soon be (in the future) marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

His intentions were clear.
"If they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight," Trump said. "You primary them. We're going to let you know who they are." He also said he and the crowd would "walk down to the Capitol" to "cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women."


all those scappy, yelling, sweaty men milling around,Never fails to amaze me how prejudiced liberal dems can be. "Sweaty" men on January 6th in Washington? You need glasses. Better yet, you need an unprejudiced heart.

Too bad you weren't there to see (even better, to clean up) the urine dripping down the Capitol's walls and the feces smeared on the floor and walls.

No one here has defended such terrible behavior. The criminals should be arrested and prosecuted. That has been said repeatedly by many, many conservatives.

Do you feel the same way about the BLM protestors and ANTIFA occupiers who burned down buildings, destroyed public and private property, and killed people? How about the Capitol policeman who killed an unarmed, peaceful, female Air Force veteran?

Please don't evade this. What is your answer?

Yes, I agree with you.

Coward. Supposedly clever evasiveness is still evasiveness.

I'll ask the question again, a question concerning which I have offered no answer and thus have given you nothing with which you might "agree".

Do you feel the same way about the BLM protestors and ANTIFA occupiers who burned down buildings, destroyed public and private property, and killed people? How about the Capitol policeman who killed an unarmed, peaceful, female Air Force veteran?

This all highlights a difference I have noticed between conservatives and liberals. When posed with a clear statement, a conservative will answer, "No one here has defended such terrible behavior. The criminals should be arrested and prosecuted. That has been said repeatedly by many, many conservatives."

However, when a liberal has been asked a similarly clear question, she answers, "Yes, I agree with you." This unfortunate fear of answering direct questions is a curious feature of the liberal crowd.

I don't understand your confusion. I answered your question --

"Do you feel the same way about the BLM protestors and ANTIFA occupiers who burned down buildings, destroyed public and private property, and killed people? How about the Capitol policeman who killed an unarmed, peaceful, female Air Force veteran?"

You understand quite well. You are your usual fearful self. I suppose if I shared your beliefs, I would be hesitant to give direct answers as well. Thankfully, I have no such hesitancy.

I said, "Yes, I agree [with you]." What's fearful about that?

You know.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You made a statement via a couple of questions, and I agreed with you. Why are you accusing me of being fearful?

Perhaps your approach is all for the good. You agreed with me not knowing what I believe, but since you have agreed, then I’m glad to know that you agree with my assessment that the BLM and ANTIFA demonstrators were behaving like scum and should be prosecuted fully. Additionally, it should be made clear that such violent behavior will not be tolerated for even one hour and any and all steps will be taken to prevent it. Now I never would have guessed that you would agree with that, but I do congratulate for your sensible beliefs!

update !!!! The rapist was an illegal alien . It keeps getting better and better .

Per ICE source, Gerson Fuentes, the man charged with raping & impregnating a 10-year-old girl in Ohio, is a Guatemalan national in the U.S. illegally & ICE has placed a detainer on him with local law enforcement.

He must've come to the US as an economic refugee one of those poor unfortunates .

The 10-year-old told police Fuentes was responsible for her pregnancy, Huhn testified. Assistant Franklin County Prosecutor Dan Meyer said the girl had recently turned 10, meaning she was likely impregnated at 9 years old.

And later in the article:

Clark Torbett, an attorney with the Franklin County Public Defender’s office, said it was unconstitutional to hold Fuentes without bond, especially with DNA confirmation of the pregnancy’s father still pending.

He said Fuentes had lived in Columbus the last seven years and had a steady job at a café.

https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-charged-rape-10-163914748.html

I don't care if he had a steady job.

Per ICE source, Gerson Fuentes, the man charged with raping & impregnating a 10-year-old girl in Ohio, is a Guatemalan national in the U.S. illegally & ICE has placed a detainer on him with local law enforcement.
During Wednesday’s hearing, Assistant Franklin County Prosecutor Dan Meyer requested Fuentes be held without bond. He said Fuentes is not believed to be in the country legally and there are questions about his identity.Columbus man charged in rape of 10-year-old that led to abortion (dispatch.com) (https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/)

It’s ok to be breaking the law and having sex with a nine year old girl as long as you have a steady job? He just better be glad he didn’t have a job with the Trump admin!

I'm really, really wondering where the truth is in all this. His photo has been posted on public media too.

As for 9-year-olds getting pregnant? Can a girl get pregnant if she has never had a period? After googling this. I learned that pregnancy can occur as soon as a girl starts ovulating, which is happening all over the world (e.g., in China, Colombia, the US) at ever younger ages.

That's true. The onset of puberty has gotten ever younger for several decades now. As I recall, it's about two years earlier now that mid 20th century. And the last I read on it, they didn't have an altogether satisfactory answer as to why it was happening.

Flashback .That time when Trump was critiqued for saying rapists are crossing the border ......
"They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Rapists are on college campuses, in big cities, in small towns, in Christian congregations, on public transportation. They're everywhere!

And in this case specifically illegally crossing the border .

What percentage of those illegally crossing the border are rapists?

enough We know of one that wasn't supposed to be here


In North Carolina alone ;135 illegal aliens were arrested in the first 6 months of 2022 and charged with 465 pedophile sex crimes. That’s just in one state.
NCFIRE (https://www.ncfire.info/)

There is something strange about the time line . The girl identified Fuentes on June 22(the abortion happened 2 days later) . He was arrested July 12 when holes in the story started to be identified . What took so long to arrest him ? Also she was raped May 10.The new Ohio law allows abortions until 6 weeks after pregnancy . Her abortion took place 6 weeks and 3 days, and also 3 days after the Dobbs decision . All that time she could've gotten an abortion in Ohio under pre and post Dobbs law. But they decided to wait until 3 days past the deadline to go to an activist abortionist across the border . Was the child's welfare put second behind a political agenda ? Was an abortion denied in Ohio ? Extremely doubtful.


and
Trump's comment about drugs . Fentanyl trafficking has increased dramatically in the last year .