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tomder55
Jun 8, 2022, 05:25 AM
Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt .(Roman Poet Juvenal)

Dems are desperate to stem the coming Red Wave. They can't do it with the substance of their policies . So the distraction is what is needed .
Luckily for them ,they live in an America that is easily distracted by trivia like the Jack Sparrow trial.

Next up on the diversion cycle is the bogus kangaroo court about the January 6 2001 riot being conducted by the Dem Congressional leadership . The Dems are taking the show prime time tomorrow . All the media compliant press networks have signed on to the hearings of the decade .You have no choice but to watch or listen to it .

https://ecdn.teacherspayteachers.com/thumbitem/1984-Big-Brother-poster-eye-catching-classroom-decor-4404600-1570990446/original-4404600-1.jpg

They even hired ex-ABC President /exec producer James Goldson to run the event .
January 6 committee taps former ABC News president to help with Thursday night's televised hearing: report (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/january-6-committee-taps-former-152019624.html)

Will there be dancing bears to entertain us in between 5 minute speeches by the <sarc>'bipartisan' committee </sarc>members ? If not look forward to the snooze fest . Taking bets on how many times QAnon Shaman is shown in video . Guessing that the committee will skip the video of Ashi Babbitt being executed at point blank by one of the Capitol Police heroes .
Substance and context will be missing .It will be a fictional depiction based on a tue event ,as TV loves to produce.

Once they get the public revved up then Madam Mim will give us the thumbs down signal that will indicate she wants AG Merrick Garland to " lock him up "...him being Donald Trump. That purge of the Trumpies has officially begun with the indictment of Steve Bannon and the frog marching of former Trump advisor Peter Navarro. They dared claim the time honored courtesy of executive privilege granted to Presidential advisors .

Twice before she had Trump hooked only to see him escape . But he doesn't have the leverage that the Presidency gave him during the impeachments . Trump has also claimed executive privilege . Clueless gave her a big assist by waiving Trump's claim to a privilege that has been almost universally granted to Presidents .

Let the show trial begin !

jlisenbe
Jun 8, 2022, 05:55 AM
In the meantime, in liberal dem run NYC, the insanity is on steroids.


It’s “insanity” that a Queens man has been arrested 46 times so far this year — only to be repeatedly released to steal again, said the NYPD’s top cop in response to an article in The Post.
Isaac Rodriguez, 22, has been collared by cops 74 times since 2015, and 46 times this year alone, The Post exclusively reported Saturday (https://nypost.com/2021/10/02/nyc-man-leads-record-shattering-shoplifting-surge-with-46-arrests/).

If they arrest Trump, it will lead to enormous demonstrations. It will be the proverbial bridge too far.

tomder55
Jun 9, 2022, 04:16 AM
What to expect .
The Dems will use the hearings to promote their long term wish list items of eliminating the Electoral College and to promote national same day voter registration .(no ID of course )

The Dems will push for more contempt charges and will press AG Garland for more indictments .

The Dems will try to make the case that the riot was coordinated out of the White House and not a spontaneous event . This despite the fact that Trump authorized 10,000 National Guard troops to be present ;and Madam Mimi and DC Mayor Bowser refused to allow the National Guard to deploy.

Repub Rep Mike McCarthy has an unofficial counter committee .He has assigned Rep Jim Jordan as his lead investigator . Expect a Republican report of the riot ;maybe even before the select committee reports .


The Slimes in a case of accidental journalism revealed that the true motivation of today's dog and pony show is the revitalize their mid term efforts .

"With their control of Congress hanging in the balance, Democrats plan to use made-for-television moments and a carefully calculated rollout of revelations over the course of six hearings to remind the public of the magnitude of Mr. Trump's effort to overturn the election [the grossest of lies] and to persuade that the coming elections are a chance to hold Republicans accountable for it. "

"It is an uphill battle at a time when polls show that voters' attention is focused elsewhere, including on inflation, rising coronavirus cases, and record-high gas prices. But Democrats argue the hearings will give them a platform for making a broader case about why they deserve to stay in power."

Jan. 6 Hearings Give Democrats a Chance to Recast Midterm Message - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/us/politics/jan-6-hearings-tv-democrats.html)

Then they go back to being the compliant press saying that Repubs are aligned "with violent extremists".

tomder55
Jun 10, 2022, 03:17 AM
If you ever watched a trial where the defendant was not permitted a lawyer or a rebuttal or questioning the witnesses (no I never had either ) then that is what you saw last night in the 2 hr Democrat infomercial that they pretended was a legit Congressional hearing .

There was some new minor stuff revealed . I felt bad for the Capitol police officer who was injured . She never should've been put in the position she was in .
Some new claims about the President's mind set that went unchallenged because of the nature of this show trial .

Some things that you won't hear raised in this kangaroo court should be discussed .
As previously discussed above ;Trump authorized the use of National Guard . Speake of the House Madam Mimi refused to allow their deployment until 3 hours after the riot began.Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said after resigning his position 4 days after the riot that his request to preemptively deploy the Guard was rejected by the Speaker .
Sund said he spoke to then-House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving on Jan. 4 about additional aid from the National Guard but was turned down. He had hoped to have service members along the larger perimeter set with police barricades.
Sund said he believes Irving consulted with his Senate counterpart, Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger, and then Irving told him there were concerns of optics.
Steven Sund, Former Capitol Police Chief, Defends Role : Capitol Insurrection Updates : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/15/957239755/pelosi-taps-honore-retired-military-leader-to-lead-capitol-security-review)

What he means is that Madam Mimi had made a big deal condemning the use of the Guard during the George Floyd 'social justice' 'mostly peaceful' riots .So it would've made her look hypocritical to have the Guard deployed to defend the Capitol. Sund made the request 6 times ,and 6 times was turned down. The Capitol Police's IG report has not been made public ,but it details many of the deficiencies in the planning leading up the Jan 6.

So the police were understaffed and unprepared . The office who testified last night said she was clinging to a bike rack that had been set up as a barrier . The line of defense was thin and she was easily overwhelmed . Again the question is why given the fact that they knew in advance of the potential for violence.

DHS and the FBI had warned Madam Mimi and the Capitol police that there could be violence.

tomder55
Jun 10, 2022, 08:08 AM
Here is why the Dems want to talk about January 6 ,2021

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU5PNQPWIAApssU?format=jpg&name=medium

tomder55
Jun 10, 2022, 03:45 PM
JAKE TAPPER “Are you building a criminal case? I know you can’t charge, but are you building a criminal case for the Justice Department, potentially to charge Donald Trump with seditious conspiracy?”

BENNY THOMPSON: Well, we are building a case based on the facts and circumstances that our investigation determined. We’ve filed with the court in California, certain aspects of what our findings have been. And the judge ruled that there were certain things that the president is guilty of that —

TAPPER: Yes. Or could be guilty of?

THOMPSON: Could be guilty of.


TAPPER: Yes.

THOMPSON: But, as you said, that’s not our job. We are there to look solely at the facts and circumstance and provide recommendations to Congress.
Now, the Justice Department has inquired as to our sharing of our information. We expect to make that available to them at some point because this whole effort is a publicly funded endeavor. So, the public has a right to know.

TAPPER: But would you agree with the reporting that Jamie Gangel
offered earlier today, which is that you have a lot of audiences for your hearings, but there are also is Attorney General Merrick Garland as somebody that you expect and hope is watching. You are talking to him also. You are presenting a case for him to consider.

THOMPSON: Well, we are presenting the facts to the public. I think that if the attorney general gets an opportunity to view the entirety of our records, it would be very helpful to him. But that’s in his lane.

TAPPER: Yes.

THOMPSON: We are not trying to confuse the two. But at some point, we do plan to cooperate, if requested. And that’s what any law-abiding citizen would want to do.

tomder55
Jun 12, 2022, 05:45 AM
The show trial hit the road before the hearing Thursday .In a preview of what is to come this election cycle ,the frontrunning Repub to challenge Michigan Dem Guv Gretchen Whitmer.....Ryan Kelley,was arrested on misdemeanor charges for standing on the Capitol steps on Jan 6 ,2021 .

According to the charges he “knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority.” The FBI took the opportunity to raid his home .They thencuffed him and dragged him out of his house in front of his six kids.


Clueless Joe “I often get asked, ‘Look the Republicans don’t play it square, why do you play it square?’ Well, guess what! If we do the same thing they do, our democracy will literally be in jeopardy,”.... “Not a joke.”


Jimmy Kimmel “How do you ever make any progress if they’re not following the rules?"

Clueless Joe “Well, you have to send them to jail,”

President Joe Biden Visits Jimmy Kimmel Live - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtPV-qvLe8)
They are well on their way to criminalizing politics .

tomder55
Jun 12, 2022, 07:42 AM
Evidently Thursday's snoozefest was largely unwatched by Americans . The major networks of the compliant press normally get 20 million viewers during Prime Time .Thursday they got 11 million hardcore viewers .

Joe Concha on Twitter: "Context: The evening newscasts on CBS, NBC & ABC average anywhere from 18 to 20 million viewers combined on a typical night. Those newscasts do not air in primetime. The January 6 hearings airing in primetime Thursday took in just 11+ million viewers on those three same networks." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1535299526508130305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535299526508130305%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fsa raharnold%2F2022%2F06%2F11%2Fno-one-is-watching-prime-times-jan-6-drama-performance-n2608570)

Poll Numbers Don’t Look Good For Democrats’ Prime Time Capitol Riot Theater | The Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2022/06/09/poll-numbers-democrats-prime-time-capitol-riot-theater/)

tomder55
Jun 12, 2022, 08:37 AM
Today on the CNN show ' State of the Union' Jan 6 Committee member Rep Jami Raskin was called out by host Dana Bash about comments made by Committee co-chair Cheney that “multiple other Republican congressmen also sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election"
Multiple Members of Congress Asked Trump For Pardons (mediaite.com) (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cheney-multiple-members-of-congress-sought-pardons-over-roles-attempting-to-overturn-2020-election/)

The only Rep named specifically was Rep Scott Perry who has flat out denied the allegation. So Bash asked

Bash “How many of your colleagues in Congress did that?” Bash asked. “And what evidence do you have? Because you know that Congressman Scott Perry is denying it "

Raskin evaded saying “the seeking of pardons is powerful demonstration of the consciousness of guilt, or at least the consciousness you may be in trouble. That’s what’s so shocking about this.”

Bash pressed him and he refused to give a direct answer .

CNN.com - Transcripts (https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sotu/date/2022-06-12/segment/01)

What is unusual about this exchange is that it happened on CNN . Maybe some members of the complaint press is jumping ship.

jlisenbe
Jun 12, 2022, 01:21 PM
Same sort of thing happened on Foxnews Sunday today. Direct questions about the Kavanaugh incident and the non-mention of it by Biden, or the clear provocation offered up by Schumer, were met by soft-pedaling and silly denials. It's just the usual nauseating politics we have become accustomed to.


What is unusual about this exchange is that it happened on CNN . Maybe some members of the complaint press is jumping ship.I thought the same thing. Maybe the shame factor is finally kicking in some.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 06:12 AM
Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger wrote in a letter Monday to Congress that an exhaustive review of security footage found no evidence that Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk of Georgia did anything other than give constituents a tour of some congressional office buildings.
“We train our officers on being alert for people conducting surveillance or reconnaissance, and we do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious.”

220807 U. S. Capitol Police Response to RM Davis re Jan 5 2021 Tour.pdf (justthenews.com) (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/220807%20U.%20S.%20Capitol%20Police%20Response%20t o%20RM%20Davis%20re%20Jan%205%202021%20Tour.pdf)

This counters false claims by the Jan 6 kangaroo court led by Liz Cheney and Adam Schiffhead that Repub Reps colluded in the riot that they claim was an insurrection attempt . (show me the insurrection when the insurrectionists breach security ;mill around for a couple hours taking selfies and then exit the building leaving the Congress to continue the business they are conducting ??????)

When the allegations last month surfaced ,the compliant press pounced on the charges . Don't hold your breath waiting for retractions .
Reps. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the chairman and vice chairwoman of the Democrat-led Jan. 6 committee. They sent a letter released to the media in May demanding Loudermilk volunteer testimony and explain why he was giving a tour of the Capitol the day before the riots
Reps also pounced on the charge last month . Reps. Bennie Thompson and Liz Cheney, leaders of the show trial , sent a letter released to the media in May demanding Loudermilk volunteer testimony and explain why he was giving a tour of the Capitol the day before the riots.

"Public reporting and witness accounts indicate some individuals and groups engaged in efforts to gather information about the layout of the U.S. Capitol, as well as the House and Senate office buildings, in advance of January 6, 2021."

2022-5-19.BGT LC Letter to Loudermilk.pdf (justthenews.com) (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/2022-5-19.BGT%20LC%20Letter%20to%20Loudermilk.pdf)

Manger's letter disputes this noting that the group never even entered the Capitol .They visited an exhibit in the Rayburn House Office building.
“In addition, the tunnels leading to the U.S. Capitol were posted with USCP officers and admittance to the U.S. Capitol without a Member of Congress was not permitted on January 5, 2021.”

jlisenbe
Jun 14, 2022, 07:10 AM
Amazing how there were people on this site who were practically apoplectic at charges of Trump lying who are now eerily silent about this breach of honesty.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 09:15 AM
Yesterday they pivoted and started going after Trump money during the hearings .

The claim is that he raised $250 million to finance his various challenges to the election result. According to the committee ,he funneled the money into a Super Pac ,rather than to any election integrity efforts .

Wondergirl
Jun 14, 2022, 09:29 AM
Why aren't any of you wishing Mr. Trump a happy birthday? Today he is a glorious 76!

Seventy six trombones led the big parade
With a hundred and ten cornets close at hand.
They were followed by rows and rows of the finest virtuosos,
The cream of ev'ry famous band.

Seventy six trombones caught the morning sun,
With a hundred and ten cornets right behind.
There were more than a thousand reeds springing up like weeds,
There were horns of ev'ry shape and kind.

There were copper bottom tympani in horse platoons,
Thundering, thundering, all along the way.
Double bell euphoniums and big bassoons,
Each bassoon having his big fat say.
There were fifty mounted cannon in the battery,
Thundering, thundering, louder than before.
Clarinets of eve'ry size and trumpeters who'd improvise
A full octave higher than the score.

Seventy six trombones led the big parade,
When the order to march rang out loud and clear.
Starting off with a big bang bong on a Chinese gong,
By a big bang bonger at the rear.

Seventy six trombones hit the counter point,
While a hundred and ten cornets played the air.
Then I modestly took my place as the one and only bass,
And I oompahed up and down the square.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 09:40 AM
My wish is that he would gracefully exit and go play golf.

AG Merrick Garland said that he’s watching the committee hearings. "And I can assure you that the Jan. 6 prosecutors are watching all the hearings.”
As I have asserted; the Dems plan to criminalize political opposition.

Add to that a law that is about to be passed due to some RINO Senators called 'Red Flag' laws which will allow the government; without due process ,to deny someone their constitutional right to obtain a gun based on someone deeming that person too dangerous . How long will it be before a conservative is deemed too dangerous because of their political beliefs ?

Wondergirl
Jun 14, 2022, 10:02 AM
to deny someone their constitutional right to obtain a gun based on someone deeming that person too dangerous .
That person should be an M.D., PsyD, PhD in psych or a related field, a social worker or counselor with a Master's and qualifications in the field of mental health.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 10:29 AM
The government needs the highest burden of proof . The person denied their rights have to have the ability to challenge the results ;to have an attorney ,to cross examine witnesses against them to appeal results . Most states that have such laws do not safe guard the rights of the person accused
It is just not good enough to say better safe than sorry.

Wondergirl
Jun 14, 2022, 10:34 AM
Let me introduce you to some of my mentally ill and socially inept and very angry at life clients who are allowed to roam free in society.

jlisenbe
Jun 14, 2022, 10:45 AM
That pesky fifth amendment.


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

So we cannot take property from someone just because a left-wing, liberal judge says so. The person must be afforded due process. These people (M.D., PsyD, PhD in psych or a related field, a social worker or counselor with a Master's and qualifications in the field of mental health) could make good witnesses, but absolutely not decision-makers.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 10:58 AM
Let me introduce you to some of my mentally ill and socially inept and ivery angry at life clients who are allowed to roam free in society

I would say the same about involuntary committing someone to mental health detainment . The highest burden of proof should be established without a shadow of doubt.

In both cases there should be a goal of restoring that person so they are no longer dangers .

Wondergirl
Jun 14, 2022, 10:58 AM
I didn't say no due process.

tomder55
Jun 14, 2022, 11:32 AM
I would place the highest standards of burden of proof on the accusers . I suspect instead ,the definition of who or what is deemed dangerous will be expanded .

I even have my doubts about the constitutionality of the Federal Government making this law . The Federal policing powers are limited and defined in the constitution in a way that the States aren't restricted . That is why some states have passed red flag laws . This is most likely unconstitutional over reach . The game played lately is that they know it is unconstitutional and pass it anyway knowing the law will eventually be overturned .

Wondergirl
Jun 14, 2022, 11:59 AM
I would place the highest standards of burden of proof on the accusers .
Until an accused shoots up your outdoor church picnic or your church's VBS classes or your town's 4th of July parade.

jlisenbe
Jun 14, 2022, 01:05 PM
I didn't say no due process.When you posted, "That person should be an M.D., PsyD, PhD in psych or a related field, a social worker or counselor with a Master's and qualifications in the field of mental health," it seemed you were suggesting these people could be the decision maker rather than simply witnesses. Evidently I misread that.


Until an accused shoots up your outdoor church picnic or your church's VBS classes or your town's 4th of July parade.Most churches and parades have armed security which was shown to be very effective in the West Freeway Church incident. That we do not give our schools that same protection is insane.

jlisenbe
Jun 14, 2022, 01:10 PM
The game played lately is that they know it is unconstitutional and pass it anyway knowing the law will eventually be overturned .Playing to impress the loyal supporters.

tomder55
Jun 17, 2022, 03:44 AM
Back to topic .....

AG Merrick Garland said that he’s watching the committee hearings. "And I can assure you that the Jan. 6 prosecutors are watching all the hearings.”
As I have asserted; the Dems plan to criminalize political opposition.


Garland is much like Clueless Joe ;the public face presented by the puppet masters .In his case the power in the DOJ is with Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney for DC, and Deputy AG Lisa Monaco, an emperor loyalist . As stated above ;the DOJ is working hand in glove with the kangaroo court . The timing of charges to coincide with the public hearings confirm this . Proud Boys were charged 3 days before the prime time snooze fest . Rep Ryan Kelly was charged the same day as the Prime time horse and pony show .The Feds knew for months Kelly's non-violent role . But they waited until the day of the hearings to charge him.

This ls all leading to the committee's biased report scheduled to be released in September ;a few weeks before the mid-term elections . You can preorder it now on Amazon.

The January 6th Report: The Report of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol: Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the US Capitol, Beattie, Darren: 9781510775084: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/January-6th-Report-Committee-Investigate/dp/1510775080)

You can be assured that more high level prosecutions will be announced in the lead up to the elections .​

jlisenbe
Jun 17, 2022, 04:25 AM
This ls all leading to the committee's biased report scheduled to be released in September ;a few weeks before the mid-term elections . You can preorder it now on Amazon.The rank politicization of this whole thing is nauseating. I think the American people are on to them now and will "reward" them for their uselessness with a great red wave come November. Out with the scoundrels!

tomder55
Jun 23, 2022, 05:26 AM
Having watched parts of the public hearings ,my best guess is that they want to charge Trump with being a jerk. They want the public to know this before the mid-terms . Conspiracy to obstruct Congress by challenging certification ? No. Members of the committee challenged both GW Bush and Trump's certifications . They need to show beyond a doubt that Trump planned the riot and supported it once it began . Neither happened. He also offered Nation Guard assistance 4 days before the riot .Was his speech before the riot reckless ? Possibly . That would not be criminal.

Sedition and conspiracy ? Trump made a stupid comment in a debate to the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" . That is the basis for them to think he led a coup plot. The committee has yet to show any link between this group or other groups and Trump except for the misguided perception that some of the rioters had where they claim Trump told them to do it .
The most damning thing against Trump is that he evidently knew that in reality he had lost the election and still went ahead with legal attempts to decertify it .

What happened in the election of 2020 is similar to the chaos of the election of 1800.Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution says that each state is empowered to determine its own method of choosing electors for the presidential election.Alexander Hamilton saw that as an opportunity to steal the election from Thomas Jefferson.He wrote a letter to NY Guv John Jay.Hamilton urged Jay to call a special session of the lame-duck Federalist New York Legislature to change the method of choosing New York’s electors so that the newly elected Jefferson dominated Republican Legislature would not be able to select a Jefferson slate.

I am aware that there are weighty objections to the measure; but the reasons for it appear to me to outweigh the objections. And in times like these in which we live, it will not do to be overscrupulous. It is easy to sacrifice the substantial interests of society by a strict adherence to ordinary rules.

From Alexander Hamilton to John Jay, 7 May 1800 (archives.gov) (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-24-02-0378)

Winning at all cost was more important than strict adherence to the rules.

Jay despised Jefferson but would not do as Hamilton suggested .

When the electoral count went into chaos and it looked like Aaron Burr might win; Hamilton did what he could to ensure a Jefferson victory .

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 04:21 AM
Bread and Circuses continued yesterday with perhaps the most entertaining session yet.

A 20 something aid to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows gave a performance that is right up there with Adam Schiffhead's fictional recounting of Trump's phone call with the Ukraine President .

She made 3 charges

The 1st and most plausible was that he threw his lunch against the wall. I'm sure someone will collaborate that , The unconfirmed rumor was that he was aiming at Rudy and missed .(ok that part was made up )

The 2nd charge was Trump was told by Secret Service that there were heavily armed people in attendance at the Jan 6 rally and Trump cursed and said he did not care because they were his people .
Was any heavy weapons used by the rioters at the Capitol ? Pepper spray is the worse I have heard was used . Some make shift weapons were flag poles ,and bike racks that were intended to barricade the Capitol from the rioters . No rifles were used by the rioters . The only gun shot I know us was in the execution of Ashley Babbitt.

The 3rd and most fantastic claim is that Trump assaulted his Secret Service detail in the Presidential limo . The claim is that he wanted to go to the Capitol and his guard told him it was too dangerous .At that point the narrative went he said

“I’m the f- - -ing president, take me up the Capitol now.” Then he had reached up to the front of the vehicle to try to grab the steering wheel. Robert Engel, the head of Trump’s security detail, grabbed his arm and said, “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.” With his free hand, Trump “lunged” at Engel and Ornato gestured toward his clavicles, suggesting Trump went for Engel’s throat.

Cassidy Hutchinson Testimony: The Most Explosive Revelations (nymag.com) (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-the-most-explosive-revelations.html)

This is the problem with kangaroo courts and show trials . A witness like this needs to be cross examined .

The limo affectionately called 'The Beast ' has a safety glass separation between the driver and the passenger compartment . But Trump would've had the ability to lower the glass.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/12/20/4B17169B00000578-0-The_armored_1_5_million_Cadillac_which_comes_compl ete_with_eight-m-85_1523560818530.jpg

.Reportedly both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limo driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted ,and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

jlisenbe
Jun 29, 2022, 04:45 AM
As I understand it, Cassidy Hutchinson was not even in the "beast", so her testimony is strictly second hand. It would not be allowed in a court. In kangaroo courts, however, all sorts of things are allowed.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 04:52 AM
Her testimony about various people doing a CYA request for a Presidential pardon was presumably 1st hand . I also assume she witnessed Trump tossing a burger .

jlisenbe
Jun 29, 2022, 04:56 AM
If throwing food and receiving requests for questionable pardons is all they have, then it's been a complete waste of money.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 04:57 AM
“Tony Ornato is denying that he told Cassidy Hutchinson Trump grabbed the steering wheel in presidential vehicle on 1/6 or lunged at a fellow agent, a USSS official tells @joshscampbell. CNN confirms that Ornato & Enger are prepared to testify that neither incident occurred.“

jlisenbe
Jun 29, 2022, 04:58 AM
All of which puts a huge question mark on the entirety of Hutchinson's testimony. It also reveals why second hand testimony should not be allowed and why cross examination is essential.

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 08:43 AM
Of course it occurred!!! It is a PERFECT example of Trump's toddler personality that was in grand view that day and on so many other occasions. The guys are just trying to save their trumpian necks.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 11:44 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWaqDMwWYAIqIcF?format=jpg&name=small

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 12:32 PM
He was in the backseat of the SUV (not limo) and hanging over the front seat, trying to grab the steering wheel.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6pCbbLG3yr1PrqKeMtMFnpjEo5i0ut 14iKA&usqp=CAU

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 01:00 PM
and you know this because a 23 year old aid to his former Chief of Staff heard it 3rd hand ?

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 01:02 PM
No, because that's what he uses to travel in unless it's official.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 01:08 PM
According to her testimony ,Trump grabbed at the wheel of a car driven by a trained Secret Service Agent so he could lead armed insurrectionists into the Capitol presumably to hang Mike Pence . You don't see how implausibly ridiculous that sounds?

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 01:17 PM
It sounds exactly like something he would say and do, plus rip the tablecloth off the dining table and splash food onto the wall. You must not have been watching him during the past seven years. Impulsive, hot-headed, unpredictable. You must be impressed by loudmouth bullies.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 01:27 PM
Honestly ;the accusations are more in line with Jussie Smollett's fantasies.

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 01:45 PM
Did she have some hidden motivation ? Well let's see. She was a loyal aid to Mark Meadows (some say his right hand person at the age of 23 hmmm ) ;and was to have a job at Mara Largo after the White House . Instead Meadows cut her loose and that deal fell through She has since been unemployed according to the Compost.

Sounds like an ex-staffer with an ax to grind .

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 01:56 PM
To add to your work of fiction -- And she's probably had at least six abortions....

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 02:12 PM
Work of fiction ? What I wrote was is verifiable . The only fiction in the account you just provided ,

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 03:18 PM
Written with your own delicious John Grisham spin on it....

Of course Trump a$$-kisser Mark Meadows shakes his head vigorously and says, "I never told Cassidy that!"

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 04:00 PM
One of my favorite authors . Just finished reading '
Camino Island '

You want conspiracy ? This is not about Trump . It is about criminalizing political dissent from established swamp positions . Evita says she was robbed . No biggie even though it is demonstrable that she led a coup attempt against the elected President .

tomder55
Jun 29, 2022, 04:07 PM
btw Hollywood already had the scene covered

South Lawn Car Chase | White House Down - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGC8x8moazo)

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 04:09 PM
Of course it's about Trump. 100%! And he's loving every minute of the publicity keeping him front and center. Remember, 2024 is on the horizon.

jlisenbe
Jun 29, 2022, 04:26 PM
Of the three stories Cassidy related, she only observed one of them. The other two were hearsay, and one has been vigorously denied by two Secret Service agents. We'll see how honest this "hearing" is by whether or not they call those two men in. I'll speculate that they will not.

Wondergirl
Jun 29, 2022, 04:36 PM
I wonder when they testify if they will lie under oath in order to preserve their loyalty to Trump and secure a high-up, well-paying job if he is still alive and runs for president in 2024.

tomder55
Jun 30, 2022, 03:59 AM
Who knows ?, NBC’s Chief White House Correspondent Peter Alexander reported shortly after the hearings that both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.”
Peter Alexander on Twitter: "�� A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1541910389289635841?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

CBS also confirmed that
Nicole Sganga on Twitter: "Bobby Engel, Fmr. President Trump’s special agent in charge on Jan 6th and his limousine driver are both prepared to testify under oath before the Jan 6 committee that neither man was attacked and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the Beast’s steering wheel, @CBSNews confirms [1/2]" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/NicoleSganga/status/1541921124031799297?s=20&t=R3GbmqSnH0Gk7E2O4tG9lA)

Other parts of her testimony is falling apart . Like Cheney's claim that Hutchinson was the author to a letter that was displayed at the testimony.

Trump White House attorney disputes Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony about handwritten note - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838)

A spokesperson for Herschmann told ABC News “All sources with direct knowledge and law enforcement have and will confirm that it was written by Mr. Herschmann.”

Apparently the committee is doing it's own thing ;and evidenced by the surprise session, is free lancing the whole dog and pony show.

Proof of this is that according to the Slimes , the DOJ was completely blindsided by Hutchinson's testimony .

Hutchinson Testimony Exposes Tensions Between Parallel Jan. 6 Inquiries - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/us/politics/jan-6-committee-justice-department-trump.html)

"The federal prosecutors working on the case watched the aide’s appearance before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot and were just as astonished by her account of former President Donald J. Trump’s increasingly desperate bid to hold on to power as other viewers. The panel did not provide them with videos or transcripts of her taped interviews with committee members beforehand, according to several officials, leaving them feeling blindsided,"

Now after this bombshell Congress will take 2 weeks off. James Goldstone must be proud of his production. Clearly it is worthy of an Emmy Awards even as viewer interest in the show trial tanks .

American apathy: Weak ratings for Jan. 6 hearings reveal voter priorities | The Hill (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3528682-american-apathy-weak-ratings-for-jan-6-hearings-reveal-voter-priorities/)

The Slimes notes that the hearing "came at a critical moment in parallel investigations that will soon converge, and possibly collide, as the committee wraps up a public inquiry geared for maximum political effect and the department intensifies a high-stakes investigation aimed at securing airtight convictions.

Well they got the part about politics correct. What I wonder is why would the DOJ think it needs to coordinate it's investigation with the committee ? Isn't it doing it's own independent investigation or is Madam Mimi and Adam Schiffhead calling the shots for Garland ?

jlisenbe
Jun 30, 2022, 05:27 AM
"came at a critical moment in parallel investigations that will soon converge, and possibly collide, as the committee wraps up a public inquiry geared for maximum political effect and the department intensifies a high-stakes investigation aimed at securing airtight convictions.
All about politics. I don't know that I have ever seen a political figure receive as much hate as Trump has. Not even Obama was hated this much. It's really a breath-taking sight.

tomder55
Jun 30, 2022, 06:04 AM
It goes beyond hate . They are acting out the criminalization of politics by picking off Trump Adm operatives and supporters . The list of those arrested ;under charges ,or having had their homes raided by the FBI is getting extensive .....and I am not even including the Jan 9 protesters ;some of whom are still locked up in solitary confinement.

Just this month they picked off Peter Navarro Trump's former trade rep ;who they put in leg irons for the frog march They arrested Ryan Kelly a candidate for Mich Guv They arrested former Trump DOJ official Jeff Clark The FBI seized the phone of former Trump attorney John Eastman , They had already raided Rudy's home seizing his phone,


They raided the home of James O'Keefe who's organization Project Veritas had obtained a diary of Ashley Biden ;Clueless' daughter .Reportedly she mentions that Creepy Joe was REAL creepy with her behaving very inappropriately . That is worthy of a posting all it's own ,

They arrested Steve Bannon. They arrested George Dixon who was working on a documentary about the Biden Crime Family .

jlisenbe
Jun 30, 2022, 06:18 AM
"I wonder when they testify if they will lie under oath in order to preserve their loyalty to Trump." Shame that your hatred of Trump would lead you to impugn the character of Secret Service agents.

Liz Cheney hugging Cassidy Hutchinson after her testimony at the supposedly objective, non-biased hearing, otherwise known as the "Pelosi witch-hunt".

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tomder55
Jun 30, 2022, 08:17 AM
removed comment

jlisenbe
Jun 30, 2022, 12:33 PM
Babylon Bee strikes again.


Jan. 6 Committee Says Cassidy Hutchinson Told Them That She Heard Mark Meadows Say That A Secret Service Agent’s Friend’s Cousin’s Husband Once Heard That One Of Trump’s Other Aides Said She Thinks She Heard Him Say He Wanted To 'Do An Insurrection'

Wondergirl
Jun 30, 2022, 01:45 PM
Right-wing satire.

tomder55
Jun 30, 2022, 06:34 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWhZ8-oXgAMXIKc?format=jpg&name=small

tomder55
Jul 1, 2022, 08:04 AM
The Jan. 6 committee didn’t reach out to the Secret Service in the days before it aired explosive testimony about an alleged physical altercation between Donald Trump and his security detail on the day of the riot, according to an agency spokesperson.

Secret Service: Jan. 6 panel didn’t reach out before Hutchinson’s explosive Trump testimony - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/29/jan-6-hutchinson-secret-service-00043164)

Trump and Engel discussed the option with Trump and determined Trump going to Capitol Hill was not feasible . This was reported June 6

Trump privately raised Jan. 6 Capitol appearance with Secret Service agent, select panel hears - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217)

tomder55
Jul 2, 2022, 01:28 PM
Tulsi Gabbard 🌺 on Twitter: "The Biden Administration is undermining our democracy by weaponizing law enforcement to go after political opponents, believing the “end justifies the means.” These are characteristics of a dictatorship/banana republic—not a democracy. https://t.co/yhE1eboyO5" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1543172788759826432)

tomder55
Jul 3, 2022, 05:04 PM
laugh of the day

Rep Adam Kinzinger ;one of the 2 RINO tools of Madam Mimi on the dog and pony show trial called Liz Cheney's primary opponents 'armpit farters '

jlisenbe
Jul 3, 2022, 05:22 PM
Nothing like a high-level intellectual comment.

Kamala Harris definitely believes we should "work together".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSLeoKTYskM

jlisenbe
Jul 4, 2022, 04:37 AM
Biden's most recent idea to lower gas prices and kick the can down the road.

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tomder55
Jul 4, 2022, 05:05 AM
Sounds like he is preparing for another 70s failed idea . price controls .

Nixon imposed wage and price controls 1971. An initial 90 day freeze turned into more than 1,000 days before the controls were lifted .
Inflation was 4% 1971 It was in double digit when the controls were lifted.

Controls on oil, gas and petroleum products were kept when other products were lifted through the Ford and Carter's administrations .

The results were disastrous. Domestic exploration and production slowed sharply. Foreign oil replaced domestic in America's gas tanks. Demand increased for price controlled gas. Gas lines went on for hundreds of yards and for hours . Stations ran out of gas Odd and even day purchase restrictions were enacted . A windfall profits tax compounded the problem

.It lasted until Reagan repealed controls . The price of a gallon of gas fell by a third over five years.

jlisenbe
Jul 4, 2022, 05:20 AM
The solution is to open up new lands for exploration and encouraging oil companies to explore and pump.

tomder55
Jul 4, 2022, 05:30 AM
yes that would cause an immediate drop in price .

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 03:26 AM
They got the smoking gun . It is all over for Trump . They got the complete phone transcript of Trump's phone call with Georgia Sec State Brad Raffensperger where Trump says the infamous :

"All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state."

That is supposed to prove that Trump was trying to strong arm Raffensperger into helping him steal the vote .

Others listened in to confirm the call and can collaborate the recording .
CNN published the transcript for all to read

Full transcript: Trump's audio call with Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger - CNNPolitics (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html)

But it was a much longer conversation than what was cherry picked in that single sentence.

What did Trump REALLY say ?

He said that if the signatures in Fulton County were examined that he believed there were a couple hundred forged signatures .
He said that he believed there were 50,000 people who showed up to vote and were turned away because someone had already cast their vote.
He said that 4,502 people voted who were not on the voter rolls .
He said that there were 18,325 people who voted and did not have an address.
He said that there were 904 voters who only had post office box numbers as an address (not allowed in Georgia) .
He said that 18,000 votes collected by vote scammers and hustlers .
He said that suitcases of ballots were delivered to key districts after poll watchers and officials were sent home for the night .
He said that 2,326 absentee ballots were sent to vacant addresses .

He wanted these irregularities investigated .

Raffensperger disputed Trump's contentions a couple of times .

Trump said in response

"We just want the truth. It's simple. And everyone's going to look very good if the truth comes out. It's OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out."

Clearly that was Trump trying to steal the election.

jlisenbe
Jul 5, 2022, 04:07 AM
"We just want the truth. It's simple. And everyone's going to look very good if the truth comes out. It's OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out."Yep. What a clearly devastating declaration, to actually suggest that the truth coming out would be a good thing. There has to be some laws against that.

As to the rest, it is just despicable cherry-picking. (<:

Wondergirl
Jul 5, 2022, 09:14 AM
Trump doesn't know what truth is. His life proves that.

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 12:32 PM
Neither does the Compost . They illustrated what they imagined was Trump's assault on Secret Service Agents for their more dim-witted readers
Visual: Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony from the Jan. 6 hearing - Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/cassidy-hutchinson-jan-6-hearing-testimony-illustrated/?itid=hp-top-table-main)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW5pFrcWYAkzDnL?format=jpg&name=small

jlisenbe
Jul 5, 2022, 12:36 PM
Dim-witted is about right. It's the "We hate Trump" crowd who, driven by that hatred, are oblivious to reason or evidence. It's especially egregious considering that the two Secret Service agents were both prepared to testify that the whole account was just so much nonsense.

It's the same thing Kavanaugh and C. Thomas had to work through.

Wondergirl
Jul 5, 2022, 12:42 PM
So it didn't happen?

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 01:09 PM
do you know that in February when she was summoned she calleed the Jan 6 committee BS in a text ? Don't matter ...... I believe her narrative as much as I believe the Adam Schiffhead depiction of the phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 01:17 PM
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/292115903_1927022650825900_1157408351529055348_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=nn_r_sWrBGAAX-lAw0V&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT_u7b3kxUzpKX22TtMQLcRzSxC4faudpsM_7kR2lhpG Gw&oe=62C8A17A

Wondergirl
Jul 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
You don't believe? Why not?

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 02:32 PM
well for one thing the Secret Service Agents involved say it did not happen .The other thing is she has an ax to grind because she thought she had a job at Mara Largo

Unemployed Cassidy Hutchinson Planned to Follow Trump to Mar-A-Lago Before He Fired Her (nationalfile.com) (https://nationalfile.com/unemployed-cassidy-hutchinson-planned-to-follow-trump-to-mar-a-lago-before-he-fired-her/)

Wondergirl
Jul 5, 2022, 02:41 PM
So he didn't rip the tablecloth off the table and throw food onto the wall? Ketchup dripping down the wall?

Secret Service agents aren't going to rat on him.

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 02:49 PM
Maybe he did and maybe he didn't . That one is more plausable. The one few talk about and the worse accusation is that he allegedly tried to get metal detectors removed so his followers could bring guns to the rally and presumably to the Capitol.

That story disappeared even though presumably most damning .

However what rioter has been charged with bringing a gun into the Capitol ? The only gun used was in a Capitol Police officer exescution of Ashley Babbett .

Who really cares if he thew a Mickey D's against the wall ? Evita allegedly assaulted Bubba with a bedroom lamp .

jlisenbe
Jul 5, 2022, 03:19 PM
It’s pretty bad when the Trump haters have to resort to nothing more of substance than a hamburger on a wall. It just shows the desperate straits the left wingers find themselves in. In the meantime, gasoline has more than doubled in price and inflation is at a forty year high. “Oh yeah! But there’s still that hamburger thingie, mister.”

Wondergirl
Jul 5, 2022, 03:56 PM
I don't hate HIM; I hate how he acts. I desperately want to mother him.

tomder55
Jul 5, 2022, 05:45 PM
Megyn Kelly no Trump sycophant tears Hutchinson's testimony apart .

Megyn Kelly on the Problems With Cassidy Hutchinson's Supposed "Bombshell" Testimony at 1/6 Hearing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op6CDP6Eg_I&t=18s)

jlisenbe
Jul 5, 2022, 07:08 PM
So the story about the "Beast" is not second hand, but third hand.

She said, "something to the effect of," a LOT.

The fact that the two Secret Service agents will NOT be allowed to testify just settles completely the sham nature of this pathetic display.

jlisenbe
Jul 7, 2022, 06:11 AM
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tomder55
Jul 7, 2022, 08:50 AM
There is still lawless rioting around the nation .

In NYC a french fry restaurant got wrecked and employees injured because a bunch of hoodlums did not want to pay $1.75 for extra condiments .
Destrucción total: Mujeres hacen pedazos un negocio Bel-Fries en Nueva York y dejan empleados heridos | Univision 41 Nueva York WXTV | Univision (www-univision-com.translate.goog) (https://www-univision-com.translate.goog/local/nueva-york-wxtv/mujeres-destruccion-bel-fries-nueva-york-empleados-heridos?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc)

Why anyone would open a business in NYC is beyond me . The girls involved were arrested so that is a plus .

But so was a bodega worker who while defending himself from an attack ,killed his attacker .


Fury over prosecution of 'hard working' NYC bodega employee | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10991233/Fury-prosecution-hard-working-NYC-bodega-employee.html)

tomder55
Jul 12, 2022, 12:24 PM
Snoozeweek comments on the above

We're been wrong all along. We believed Manhattan's progressive District Attorney Alvin Bragg when he campaigned on a platform of decarceration. We took him at the word of his memo that he didn't believe in locking people up—even those with gun charges.
Turns out, we were wrong to believe him. DA Bragg does want to lock people up, it is just the wrong people. He's going after victims instead of criminals.

We Were Wrong About Progressive DAs. They Do Want to Lock People Up: Victims | Opinion (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/we-were-wrong-about-progressive-das-they-do-want-lock-people-victims-opinion-1723068)

tomder55
Jul 21, 2022, 12:56 PM
Today's hearing is going to focus on the fact that Trump was in a dining room watching television during the riot. woooooo hoooo !! now they got him ! This they call compelling evidence of criminal conduct.
First they went bananas over the fact that Trump wanted to go to the Capitol.
Now they will go bananas because he watched it on tv after the Secret Service refused to bring him there.

tomder55
Jul 21, 2022, 02:00 PM
As you watch tonight's circus just remember that on Jan 4 ;Trump 3 times requested a force of 10,000 National Guard Troops to guard the Capitol during the Jan 6 rally .

It was Madam Mimi ,and the Mayor of DC Murial Bowser (who lately has been complaining about illegal aliens being sent to her city ) who refused the help.

Bowser instead asked for minimal Guard presence and that they should not be armed .

jlisenbe
Jul 21, 2022, 02:14 PM
The hatred of Trump is really incredible. The bottom line seems to be this. Don't go into that swamp and threaten to clean it out. The swamp critters like their current situation a great deal. That was Trump's great offense.

Wondergirl
Jul 21, 2022, 02:28 PM
he watched it on tv after the Secret Service refused to bring him there.
Sitting there seething and snorting, his bp rising, furious because he couldn't be with "his" people. Why didn't he just read a thriller by John Grisham or Lee Child?

tomder55
Jul 21, 2022, 03:28 PM
here is the preview courtesy of Adam Kinzinger .RINO IL. (ignore the compliant press commentary)_

Kinzinger tweets out Trump staffers' testimony ahead of final Jan. 6 hearing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqgipbMHDIU)

jlisenbe
Jul 21, 2022, 03:36 PM
The hatred of Trump is really incredible.

And right on cue. "Sitting there seething and snorting, his bp rising, furious because he couldn't be with "his" people."

Wondergirl
Jul 21, 2022, 03:44 PM
And right on cue. "Sitting there seething and snorting, his bp rising, furious because he couldn't be with "his" people."
There are real-time videos of that.

jlisenbe
Jul 21, 2022, 04:11 PM
Where? You say you have these wonderful powers to search the web. Where is the video of Trump "seething and snorting" as he watched the TV coverage of the demonstration at the Capitol? This lady said he watched it "in glee" and claimed he was "enjoying the spectacle". You say the opposite. TDS at work??? Sure sounds that way, doesn't it?

Trump ‘gleefully’ watched Capitol rioters ‘fighting’ for him on TV: Grisham - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+Trump+watching+the+capitol+riots +on+television&refig=bb77514c697341b8be6749aebabdfbaa&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dvideo%2bof%2bTrump%2bwatching%2 bthe%2bcapitol%2briots%2bon%2btelevision%26form%3d ANNTH1%26refig%3dbb77514c697341b8be6749aebabdfbaa&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=E414AB69320328C83646E414AB69320328C83646&FORM=WRVORC)

tomder55
Jul 21, 2022, 04:20 PM
Stephany Grisham was working for the 1st Lady . There is no way she has access to him to report such an accusation.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 03:09 AM
The show trial has lived up to the description . There have been accusations without the benefit of cross examination . Sensational accusations go unrebutted . It isn't a committee as we generally recognize with both sides represented . There is no judge acting as a referee ;no rules of evidence ,no jury . It has been nothing but a slickly produced spectacle worthy of a fictional farce. Any John Grisham novel is based on more credibility .

The "justice system" is nowhere to be found on Capitol Hill. But it is at work having real trials and real process. No, I am not speaking of the treatment of the defendants .That has been a shameful abomination and miscarriage of justice I speak instead of the cases that have been processed either by plea or trial. The sentencing has generally been equal to the crime ...... time served ;house detention ;probation ,fines , Nothing as severe as you would believe an "armed " insurgency would warrant .

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 08:47 AM
These are hearings ("an opportunity to state one's case" and gather evidence), not trials.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 10:08 AM
If evidence is what a person is after, then shouldn't that person proceed by using the rules of evidence?

When does a hearing become a witch hunt? What protections could be employed to protect against that?

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 10:26 AM
These hearings are to GATHER evidence by means of personal testimonies by both Republicans and Democrats.

To be determined at a future trial*: which witch is really a witch.

*Trial: the judicial proceeding in which facts and evidences are examined, to find out the guilt or innocence of the accused.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 11:27 AM
But how can you gather reliable evidence without using the rules of evidence? For instance, people give their "personal testimonies", but there is no cross examination, so doesn't that render their personal testimonies as not much more than rumor mill material? And isn't that a critically important consideration considering that these "hearings" are televised and are plainly intended to gain some political advantage? If they wanted us to regard this as an honest enterprise, wouldn't they have allowed the repubs to select their own representatives?

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 11:37 AM
It is C/P of testimony fed to an audience to advance a predetermined conclusion . A real hearing would've had opposition members selected by the minority party questioning the witnesses ;not hand picked by the majority based on their hatred of Trump.

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 11:42 AM
Both repubs and dems are giving personal testimony (along with videos, photos, recordings, and text messages) as per the rules of a hearing. Arguments/cross examinations occur during a trial.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 12:04 PM
All you are really saying in your comments is that this is the show trial I have stated it was .

Every Congressional hearing until now allows the minority party members to question witnesses and present their case . [See for reference The Minority Witness Rule of the House . ]

Of course in this case the minority party was not permitted to even seat a Representative chosen by the party . The 2 Repubs(of 9 total committee members ) on the committee were hand picked by Madam Mimi based on their hatred of Trump and their vote to impeach Trump after the riot . There is no due process . The supposition is that if it hurts Trump it must be true . If it helps him it must be a lie.

Madam Mimi gave direction to the Committee as if she were the Red Queen ,sentence first verdict afterwards .

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 12:19 PM
It. Is. Not. A. Trial!!! Minority party members are testifying at these hearings. Arguments will come later. Apparently you've never baked a cake from scratch.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 12:50 PM
Arguments will come later? When?

The repubs were not able to select their own reps. The repubs have not been allowed to cross examine witnesses. You really think this is a respectable hearing?

Which witnesses were the repubs allowed to call? Which repubs testified at the hearings?

Where is the real time video you referred to of Trump, "Sitting there seething and snorting, his bp rising, furious because he couldn't be with "his" people?" You claim you have superior skills in doing web research. Time to see some, don't you think?


,sentence first verdict afterwards . Exactly correct.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 12:59 PM
Minority party members are testifying at these hearings you mean witnesses , If you compare it to a trial it would be if all the jurors were selected based on the assumption that the defendant is guilty . I am saying there is no REAL opposition members of the other party in the committee . You saw the Watergate hearings . There were 4 Dems and 3 Repubs . All 3 Repubs advocated for Nixon . Trump has no advocates on the committee at all

It is by all definitions a show trial . They have already predetermined Trump's guilt . Many of them have openly stated that their intention is to see he never is permitted to run for President again.

I don't know where you are going with the cake comment . Suffice it to say I have made dozens of cakes from scratch and it you extend the comparison to my former career in pharmaceutical manufacturing ,I was following recipes on a daily basis .

You are playing semantics with the word trial . Ok A congressional hearing is not a "trial" . It is fact finding . This committee has a predetermined conclusions that they are supporting by cherry picking facts . We don't hear from all the witnesses .We only here from the ones that support the narrative they want to present .

It is a sham any way you look at it

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 01:05 PM
It will be up to the repubs to counter this and testify at their own hearings that Trump is above reproach.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 01:34 PM
When the Repubs are the majority in January I am sure there will be more hearings . Unlike this one ,they won't be stacked without an opposing member of Congress .

The problem with this committee is that it has subpoena powers and can make recommendations to the AG for prosecution . Steve Bannon was found guilty today of Contempt of Congress for defying this kangaroo court's subpoena . He will most likely serve jail time for his defiance. So this goes well beyond so called fact finding .

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 02:06 PM
I hope Bannon is given a sudsy shower before he goes to prison.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 02:50 PM
You have a bad habit of making claims you cannot support. You claimed months ago that you could make a legal case for immigration. You have not done so. You claimed there were videos of Trump watching the 1/6 demonstration. So far, nada. You claimed this today. "Both repubs and dems are giving personal testimony." You have presented no examples. You have claimed to be practically a world expert at using the internet. So far, not so much.

You sure do act like a liberal dem!!! (<:

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 02:51 PM
I have no doubt he will come out of jail a winner ,This will be seen by half the country as an injustice by a partisan DOJ ,being done on political opponents .The Madam Mimi star chamber * deemed him guilty .

[*The Star Chamber became synonymous with social and political oppression through the arbitrary use and abuse of the power it wielded.]

Bannon's crime ? He refused to participate in the charade

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 02:55 PM
He is one of the most two-faced, creepiest politicians I've ever seen. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 03:55 PM
yeah he's ugly and a political strategist . Reminds me alot of James Carville .

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 04:14 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX9X_F1WQAIBaao?format=jpg&name=small

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 04:35 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7586050048/hAB796E15/james-carville-totally-looks-like-gollum

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 05:09 PM
Carville is ancient history. Bannon is now.

tomder55
Jul 22, 2022, 05:17 PM
not really

Hillary Clinton Is Running For President Again? - FITSNews (https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/07/21/hillary-clinton-is-running-for-president-again/)

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 05:35 PM
Nope. I betcha a popular candidate will be Beto O’Rourke.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 06:21 PM
Having no major accomplishments in his life, O'Rourke would be a great dem candidate in the grand tradition of BO, HC and JB.

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 06:35 PM
He's smart, he's handsome, he's well-spoken, he's young, and he has kept his sanity in a very politically polarized state, a seriously partisan state.

jlisenbe
Jul 22, 2022, 07:42 PM
And most importantly, of course, he's gay. Who knows? Perhaps someday he will actually accomplish something important.

Wondergirl
Jul 22, 2022, 07:46 PM
Gay is good. I love the LGBT+ community!

tomder55
Jul 23, 2022, 04:00 AM
Nope. I betcha a popular candidate will be Beto O’Rourke.

Whatever brand he has will be destroyed when he loses the Guv race in Texas .

My guess is that they go with Madame Defarge Michelle Obama . (Madame Defarge in 'Tale of Two Cities ' quietly knitted the names of her enemy list until she was in a position to purge them )

She is following in the path of the emperor ;and Bubba before her . She did a keynote address at the last convention . She has a book coming out in the fall just in time to launch her campaign in January that they will guarantee will rocket to # 1 on the NY Slimes best seller list . 2.75 million initial printing .
Michelle Obama's book 'The Light We Carry' coming this fall | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-michelle-obama-barack-2f064159787547116d37ab1731f2d6df)
Her autobiography was a best seller . She is a media star with Netflix and Spotify deals . She is polling very high for 2024
Poll: Harris, Michelle Obama lead for 2024 if Biden doesn’t run – The Hill (https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/583018-poll-harris-michelle-obama-lead-for-2024-if-biden-doesnt-run/)

She is playing the 'reluctant candidate ' card which everyone loves . It is true that the emperor and Michelle are rich and she does not need to do it . That makes her the perfect 21st century candidate . She would also have the whole Obama post Presidency machine he created behind her .
Organizing for Action (OFA) - InfluenceWatch (https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/organizing-for-action/)


She may even figure a way to become VP in January. The Dems will use the 25th amendment claiming Clueless has "long haul" covid and onset dementia ;and can no longer do the job. That will make Kam the Sham as the temporary place holder .

Madam Defarge at the ticket is perfect for the Dem's .Jacobin revolution She is virtually immune from criticism because like the emperor prior to his run ,she has done nothing in the political arena to scrutinize .(the emperor won because the Dems were able to project their aspirations onto him)

jlisenbe
Jul 23, 2022, 04:56 AM
She would be yet another dem candidate who has never accomplished anything of note in her entire life.

tomder55
Jul 23, 2022, 05:37 AM
By their own admission, Dems set up the kangaroo court to evade questions about what Madam Mimi knew about the potential for Jan. 6 violence and when she knew it .Secret Service agents were never called to testify in public to determine if Cassidy Hutchinson's story about Trump were true. Questions about how those in charge of Capitol security responded to FBI and Homeland Security warnings about potential violence have not been raised .

What we have gotten instead is hearsay testimony from Hutchinson c/p video snippets of testimony without allowing Trump's own lawyers or Trump friendly Reps to question witnesses or challenge the narrative. The committee is a bunch of partisan zealots rather than truth seekers. They would have gained more credibility and traction if they had let Repubs offer contrary evidence and engaged in true cross examination.

First they tried to imply that Trump incited the riot as an attempt to overthrow the election . When that did not work they went with plan B this week. The claim is that Trump was derelict in his duty by sitting watching tv instead of making sooner the eventual address he made to the rioters. That may indeed be true . It probably was irresponsible . But there was nothing criminal about it . If dereliction of duty was a criteria for criminal procedures against Presidents then almost all of them are guilty at one point in their term. The current POTUS has a steady stream of derelictions.

The truth though is that before the riot Trump acted responsibly . He offered National Guard troops to bolster the Capitol police security . During the riot the part of his speech totally deleted from the testimony is his call for the crowd to PEACEFULLY march to the Capitol.

The facts are there for anyone to read in the Defense IG report about Jan 6 .

"Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m.," the IG reported. "The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, 'We've got a plan and we've got it covered.'" (page 31)

Report No. DODIG-2022-039: Review of the DOD's Role, Responsibilities, and Actions to Prepare for and Respond to the Protest and Its Aftermath at the U.S. Capitol Campus on January 6, 2021 (defense.gov) (https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.PDF)


The report makes it clear that it was the DEMS that turned down the extra security for fear of making it look like the military was involved in the political process
.Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told the IG "he did not want to create the perception that the military was involved in the electoral process,"The report also shows DC Police Chief Robert Contee opposed having National Guard troops. "Chief Contee explained to us that he did not want other Federal law enforcement involved on January 6, 2021, because of the risk associated with having unidentified Federal officers carrying weapons within D.C,"

This even as intel warnings from the FBI ,DHS ,and the Marshall service came into the Capitol Police of possible violence.
You won't hear that in the committee hearings either .

tomder55
Jul 24, 2022, 03:59 AM
Dem famed attorney Alan Dershowitz predicts that Bannon's conviction will be overturned in appeal. Speaking to Greta Van Susteren ,he said that the conviction was “entirely in violation of the Constitution” because “The only provision of the Constitution, which appears basically twice, is trial by jury in and in front of a fair jury. Number one, he didn’t have a fair jury. Number two, the judge took his defenses away from him,”

Alan Dershowitz defends Bannon against conviction controversy | Salon.com (https://www.salon.com/2022/07/24/alan-dershowitz-defends-bannon-against-conviction-controversy_partner/)

He said the jury was prejudical due to it's TDS. The trial was in DC .

“And all you had to do was say, ‘Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man Bannon worked for Trump.’ That’s the end of the case.”

Wondergirl
Jul 26, 2022, 04:19 PM
And most importantly, of course, he's gay. Who knows? Perhaps someday he will actually accomplish something important.
Beto isn't gay. He's married to a woman since 2005 and has three children with her.

jlisenbe
Jul 26, 2022, 04:31 PM
You are exactly correct. I was thinking Pete Buttigeig(sp?).

tomder55
Jul 26, 2022, 06:01 PM
he may not be gay .But he's Irish

jlisenbe
Jul 28, 2022, 04:47 AM
49401

tomder55
Aug 1, 2022, 05:19 AM
Filmmaker Joel Gilbert does a video expose of Madame DeFarge .His narrative is the she has created a false biography about herself that the public buys into. She is far from the reluctant candidate who will accept the nomination to save the country . Her life has been rooted in political ambition. That is the thesis of the film.

Her father Fraser Robinson was a precinct captain in the Daley Chi-town Democratic Machine, This enabled him provide a nice middle class life for his family .Good for him ;good for his family . A stable family life with parents who provide for their children is the American way .She was a close friend of Sarita Jackson, daughter of Jesse Jackson. She had private dance lessons at an early age ;she attended private schools . She attended the elite Whitney Young Magnet School. She says she was told Princton was out of her reach. Her school councilor denies that .

So why instead of celebrating that does she pretend to paint a picture of an unfortunate child from the South side of Chi-town who was told the good things in life are beyond her grasp ?

Gilbert makes it clear that she has untold political ambitions . When the Dems run through their obvious list of losers ,they will come to the conclusion that she is the only one in their ranks that can win in 2024.

tomder55
Aug 24, 2022, 04:09 AM
So the Dems held Bannon in contempt for refusing to testify to the show trial . They found a friendly partisan DC jury to convict him. So now he is going to testify .


You would think the Dems would put that in prime time in their circus kangaroo court .

Think again . They are not even going to televise his appearance. He speaks too many inconvenient truths I guess.

tomder55
Oct 14, 2022, 05:12 AM
The committee was supposed to wrap it up before hurricane Ian . But they can't give it up. So they came up with a screwball theory that in fact Trump knew he had lost the election ;but was ashamed to admit it .or something like that.

But their big October surprise (because the real purpose of the show trial is to influence the mid-term elections ) is to slap Trump with a subpoena. I'll get into the separation of powers issues in a bit.

One has to ask why they did not do this on day one of the committee .

I suggest it is because they want the October specticle of the compliant press floating one story after another about .
Trump fighting the subpoena
Trump pleading the 5th
How will this impact his battles over the FBI raid of his home ?
How the nation barely avoided a fascist MAGA takeover
How Liz Cheney and the never Trumper Repubs are heroes .
How Trump endorsed candidates are suspect traitors .
We've GOT him now !!!
etc etc .
Plenty of fodder ;bread crumbs for the pigeons. To last through the election .

Did the framers construct a Parliamentary for of government where the President is accountable to Congress like a PM is accountable to the Parliament ? NO they did not. If the judiciary rejects Trump's challenge (if he challenges ) to this unconstitutional violation of the separation of powers then that is what we will have.


Trump has stated (I believe ) tongue in cheek that he would love to testify to the committee. That would be a mistake . They would never release his comments unedited . He would also be doing a disservice to the office he held.
Instead he should follow the example of Harry Truman who refused to testify to the House Committee on Un American Activities (another witch hunt committee) when he was issued a subpoena after he had left office.

tomder55
Nov 12, 2022, 02:55 PM
staffers for the kangaroo court who spent time researching law enforcement failures on Jan 6 might as well throw their work down the toilet. They have been told that the committee’s final report would focus largely on former President Donald Trump and much less on findings about failures by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies in the lead up to the attack

Jan. 6 committee staffers told preliminary plan for final report would focus largely on Trump, not on law enforcement failures, sources say (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-committee-staffers-told-preliminary-plan-final-report-focus-larg-rcna56802)

Like the Warren Commission and the 9-11 report ;this report will be all fluff with little substance .

tomder55
Dec 20, 2022, 06:15 AM
During it's final act on stage ,the kangaroo court to no one's surprise recommended to the DOJ that criminal charges should be filed against Trump .

I do not believe the Justice Dept will act on any of the referrals. There is already a Special Council and the DOJ is conducting it's own investigation. They will have no use for the partisan hack job presentation by the biased committee.

As Quid says ....there are more important things going on.

tomder55
Dec 20, 2022, 06:27 AM
Liz Cheney's main argument is that Trump failed to act in a timely manner . One usually builds a criminal case on what someone did ... not what they didn't do. This will be used for charges. Then the so called evidence would be subject to discovery; rebuttal and the use of opposing legal council . Things lacking during the dog and pony show.

tomder55
Dec 20, 2022, 06:38 AM
The kangaroo court has now made us safe from small bands of unarmed protesters ;selfie taking insurgents, attempting to" overthrow" the nation with the most powerful military force on the planet.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2023, 06:22 AM
Too funny . classified documents from his VP days were found illegally stored in Clueless Joe's office at his "think tank " at the Penn Biden Center (upenn.edu) (https://global.upenn.edu/penn-biden-center)

Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says | CNN Politics (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html)


The documents were discovered just a few days prior to the 2022 midterms, yet the announcement of the discovery of the documents was only made yesterday .


AG Garland said

“Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing.”

Oh wait ;he wasn't talking about finding classified documents illegally kept at Clueless' office . That was his justification for raiding Trump's home.

The question is ;why hasn't the FBI raided all of Clueless's homes and offices ? These docs have been illegally stored there for at least 6 years .
Why hasn't there been a special council appointed ?

tomder55
Jan 10, 2023, 07:05 AM
Flashback to September

Biden, who rarely does interviews, spoke to CBS’ “60 Minutes” in a segment that aired Sunday. He said that when he heard about classified documents taken from the White House, he wondered how “anyone could be that irresponsible.”
Biden added: “And I thought, what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods?”

Biden: Classified documents at Mar-a-Lago raise concerns (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/video/biden-classified-documents-mar-lago-235053252.html)

jlisenbe
Jan 10, 2023, 07:21 AM
Now here comes the big question. Will the person on this site who has seemed so outraged at Trump having classified docs be equally outraged at Biden having some? My guess is a resounding "No!", but we'll see.

tomder55
Jan 12, 2023, 02:14 PM
Kevin McCarthy shook DC to it's core when he said today he was willing to release and make public all security footage from the Jan 6 riot. If true then the Dem cover up is coming to a close .

Athos
Jan 12, 2023, 02:33 PM
Kevin McCarthy shook DC to it's core when he said today he was willing to release and make public all security footage from the Jan 6 riot. If true then the Dem cover up is coming to a close .

What cover up?

tomder55
Jan 12, 2023, 02:50 PM
The Government Wants To Keep Capitol Riot Footage Secret (buzzfeednews.com) (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/insurrection-capitol-footage-secret)

Athos
Jan 12, 2023, 03:44 PM
The Government Wants To Keep Capitol Riot Footage Secret (buzzfeednews.com) (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/insurrection-capitol-footage-secret)

I read your link and it says nothing about coverage that would be damaging to the Democrats or anybody else.

Your characterization of the videos as "the Dem cover up is coming to a close" is a perfect example of how your language skews the story to something it isn't.

That's a right-wing practice and never helps your position when it's exposed for what it is - a lie.

tomder55
Jan 13, 2023, 06:15 AM
Even if it is not damaging to the Dems they should be released . There are 14,000 hours of security footage that were given to the Kangarood court that have not been released with no explanation. Some of that footage could be important in the defense of the Jan 6 defendants . Maybe they won't be given an Alice in Wonderland kangaroo court . They are entitled to see it .Some of the rioters are still in jail based on the video evidence that was presented in court . The Kanagroo court released some of it mostly snippets that may have been taken out of context . A full release would paint the most complete picture of what happened inside. But the Capitol Police, backed by federal prosecutors, have strictly controlled who can see them and how much footage can be shared with the public.

When asked about releasing the footage McCarthy said “I think the public should see what happened on that day. I watched what Nancy Pelosi did, where she politicized it. For the first time in the history as a speaker, not allowing the minority to appoint to a committee,” “We watched the politicization of this. I think the American public should actually see what happened instead of a report that’s written on a political basis.”

There were clear falsehoods in the narrative presented to the American people .Madam Mimi claimed that Repub Reps gave rioters tours of the Capitol on Jan 5 for the purpose of reconnaissance That was a lie . The Dems still try to cover up the fact that it was Madam Mimi and the DC mayor that intentionally understaffed Capitol security on Jan 6 because they were concerned about bad optics .(and that is giving them the benefit of the doubt) even though it was reported that they had intel that there could be trouble at the Capitol.

I already know how this will end up. We still have not seen the JFK information a decade after the 50 years sealing expired

jlisenbe
Jan 13, 2023, 06:28 AM
But the Capitol Police, backed by federal prosecutors, have strictly controlled who can see them and how much footage can be shared with the public.That's really disturbing. It makes me wonder what they're afraid of.

Athos
Jan 13, 2023, 09:32 AM
Even if it is not damaging to the Dems they should be released

I'm glad you changed your tune.

They should be released to the extent they don't jeopardize any persons or safety procedures.


There are 14,000 hours of security footage that were given to the Kangarood court that have not been released with no explanation. Some of that footage could be important in the defense of the Jan 6 defendants . Maybe they won't be given an Alice in Wonderland kangaroo court . They are entitled to see it .Some of the rioters are still in jail based on the video evidence that was presented in court . The Kanagroo court released some of it mostly snippets that may have been taken out of context . A full release would paint the most complete picture of what happened inside. But the Capitol Police, backed by federal prosecutors, have strictly controlled who can see them and how much footage can be shared with the public.

All of the above is conjecture and is blatantly biased by your use of "Kangaroo Court". The Jan6 Committee was hardly a Kangaroo Court with so much evidence displayed over the term of the committee.



When asked about releasing the footage McCarthy said I think the public should see what happened on that day. I watched what Nancy Pelosi did, where she politicized it. For the first time in the history as a speaker, not allowing the minority to appoint to a committee,” “We watched the politicization of this. I think the American public should actually see what happened instead of a report that’s written on a political basis.”McCarthy is the biggest most spineless blowhard in the history of the world. There, now you can call me biased.
There were clear falsehoods in the narrative presented to the American people .Madam Mimi claimed that Repub Reps gave rioters tours of the Capitol on Jan 5 for the purpose of reconnaissance That was a lie

Evidence, please.


The Dems still try to cover up the fact that it was Madam Mimi and the DC mayor that intentionally understaffed Capitol security on Jan 6 because they were concerned about bad optics .(and that is giving them the benefit of the doubt) even though it was reported that they had intel that there could be trouble at the Capitol.

Is your subscription to Breitbart paid up?


I already know how this will end up. We still have not seen the JFK information a decade after the 50 years sealing expired

So, who killed JFK? The world awaits.

jlisenbe
Jan 13, 2023, 09:45 AM
There, now you can call me biased.Don't worry about it. We've known you are biased for a loonnnnnggggg time. And to be fair, everyone here basically is in one way or another.

tomder55
Jun 5, 2024, 01:40 PM
Revisiting this post because of new developments

It is now confirmed that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony is a lie and the Committee knew it was.

She made her claim to the Committee during a nationally held hearing in June 2022 . The driver offered to testify to refute her claim. The Committee delayed and delayed his testimony for months .They finally heard from him the day before the 2022 midterm election day. This clearly affected the outcome of the election. The Kangaroo Court show trial contributed to a red wave being prevented .

Rep. Barry Loudermilk, the chairman of the House subcommittee that is investigating the Jan. 6 made this public yesterday


The transcript of the driver’s testimony reviewed by Just the News shows his lawyer complained that his client had offered to testify in July, August and September of 2022, but was “rebuffed” by the January 6 committee led by Chairman Rep. Benny Thompson, a Democrat, and Vice Chairwoman Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican, both fierce opponents of Trump.

“We're talking about the driver of the limousine, and the head of the entire protective detail,” Loudermilk said during a wide-ranging interview with the "Just the News, No Noise" television show. “They were brought in by the select committee to testify, but they weren't brought in until November.
“It was in June when they paraded Hutchinson before the world, and they let the world hear the stories. And what's interesting is in the very beginning of the driver’s testimony, his attorney starts off by chastising the select committee,” Loudermilk also said. “And he said we offered to come in July, August, September, and now it's November. So we found out for the first time that the driver had been offering to come in and testify under oath as far back as just a few weeks after Cassidy made these claims, but the select committee would not bring them in.”
Loudermilk’s description is confirmed by the transcript, which also shows the Secret Service driver testified Trump never tried to reach for or grab the wheel of the SUV as Hutchinson, who wasn’t in the vehicle, alleged in her testimony.
The transcript also shows that Cheney tried to explain to the driver’s lawyer why there was such a long delay in accepting his offer to testify, claiming the committee wanted to wait until the Secret Service produced all documents in the January 6 investigation.
Cheney did not explain why the committee allowed Hutchinson to testify in summer 2022, before the documents were turned over, but then delayed the driver's refutation until much later.




Trump’s Secret Service driver wanted to quickly refute Cassidy Hutchinson’s J6 tale but was rebuffed | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trumps-secret-service-driver-wanted-quickly-refute-cassidy-hutchinsons-j6-tale)

jlisenbe
Jun 6, 2024, 04:57 AM
Anyone with even a little bit of sense would have never taken Hutchinson's testimony seriously to begin with because it was nothing more than hearsay. The "he said, she said" nature of the whole thing is apparent from the Wiki article excerpt.


Hutchinson said Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle.[30] She testified Engel was present with Ornato as he related the incident but never contradicted the account.[35] CNN reported three days after Hutchinson's testimony that it had spoken with two Secret Service agents who had heard accounts of the incident from multiple other agents since February 2021, including Trump's driver. Although details differed, agents confirmed there was an angry confrontation, with one agent relating that Trump "tried to lunge over the seat – for what reason, nobody had any idea," but no one asserted Trump attacked Engel. A separate Secret Service official told CNN that Engel denied that Trump grabbed at the steering wheel or lunged toward an agent on his detail, and that Ornato denied telling Hutchinson such

OK. It's all clear now. [SARC]