View Full Version : I am at a loss of words
tomder55
Feb 24, 2022, 11:46 AM
This is how JFKerry responded to Russia's attack on Ukraine ......
(no this is not Babylon Bee )
“I hope President Putin will help us to stay on track with respect to what we need to do for the climate”
Yeah Lurch ;maybe a nuclear winter would solve global warming . We are led by schmucks .
Lenin's old edict' You probe with bayonets. If you find mush, you proceed '. So far Putin has found a lot of mush ,
jlisenbe
Feb 24, 2022, 12:28 PM
Good grief. That one is hard to believe.
tomder55
Feb 24, 2022, 12:32 PM
Then Clueless said this after announcing new sanctions today :
"No one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening...Putin's not going to say 'oh, my god, the sanctions are coming.'"
On Feb. 11, Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, and key Evita player in the Russia hoax against Trump said that “the President believes that sanctions are intended to deter.”
tomder55
Feb 24, 2022, 01:25 PM
Meanwhile Clueless is days away from signing a nuke deal with Iran .......... negotiated by Russia.
tomder55
Feb 24, 2022, 01:34 PM
Anti- war demonstrations have broken out throughout Russia prompting Russia's interior ministery spokesperson Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova to tell TV viewers to "refrain from unsanctioned protests" & or they'll be "arrested & brought to responsibility."That's because there are "coronavirus restrictions, including on public events."
jlisenbe
Feb 24, 2022, 02:30 PM
Biden has done the unexpected. He has made me miss Trump. Thank God for the opportunity to have faith in Christ rather than these mere men.
tomder55
Feb 24, 2022, 07:35 PM
Clueless just issued a new round of measures against Russia ..... mask mandates ;mandatory quarantining just to flatten the curve .
Wondergirl
Feb 24, 2022, 08:15 PM
Even the Russian people don't want this.
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 05:25 AM
Clueless just issued a new round of measures against Russia ..... mask mandates ;mandatory quarantining just to flatten the curve .Please, please tell me you are joking.
tomder55
Feb 25, 2022, 05:46 AM
sorry ....did not include the <sarc> font .
Even the Russian people don't want this.
Does that matter ? The only time the Russian people rose up against the Czar was when they were on the verge of losing WWI . I will admit however that the Putin reign has been as corrupt as the Romanov dynasty .
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 09:45 AM
The Russians are very angry, knowing their lives and livelihoods will be disrupted plus soldier sons and daughters and brothers and sisters will come home in body bags. Assassination of Putin?
tomder55
Feb 25, 2022, 10:01 AM
Russians by the thousands were killed in Syria ,Afghanistan ,2 wars in Chechnya ,Crimea ,Georgia,Abkazia ,Tajikistan ,and the Central African Republic since Putin became Czar . The opinion of the people are not relevant . What is relevant is the opinion of the power brokers in the government apparatchik or the oligarchs who's Londongrad properties are at sanction risk. From there assassination could come .
′Londongrad′: UK′s tough balancing act on Russian sanctions | Europe | News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 15.02.2022 (https://www.dw.com/en/londongrad-uks-tough-balancing-act-on-russian-sanctions/a-60774545)
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 10:11 AM
Times have changed. I saw a lot of angry Russian AND Ukrainian faces on tv last night. Someone commented that AK-47s et al. were being purchased.
tomder55
Feb 25, 2022, 12:39 PM
I doubt times have changed that much . The fall of the Soviet Union did not happen through a people's revolt. The people mostly sat out the 1993 coup when Yeltin had the legislature attacked by the military .That was the closest Russia came to a people's uprising since the Russian Revolution of 1918 . The truth is that the Russian people only know strong Czarist control of Russia . They lived through 4 centuries of it .Then the Soviet czars ,Yeltsin's decade of almost total control and then Putin's czarist reign.
Their brief foray into true democratic governance was a disaster . When you are seeing on tv is small and insignificant . The trucker's protest is greater .
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 12:51 PM
And the truckers' protest resulted in what?
tomder55
Feb 25, 2022, 01:49 PM
a repressive Canadian government .... more loss of freedom to protest .
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 01:57 PM
Or reassurance from the government that it cares about its citizens' health.
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 06:27 PM
Or reassurance from the government that it cares about its citizens' health.Even at the cost of a massive loss of personal freedom?
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 06:36 PM
Personal freedom to get sick and possibly die? -- and take a few people with you?
There are MANY situations where we don't have "personal freedom" but know we have to care about ourselves and those with whom we interact.
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 07:29 PM
Personal freedom to get sick and possibly die?Well...yes. People are free to do a great many things that could make them sick and dead. Smoking, drinking alcohol, and sunbathing come to mind quickly and they are all potentially lethal. Are you suggesting we outlaw them? Should we require by force of law that all sunbathers wear a measurable amount of sunblock, or do we allow them the personal freedom to get sick and possibly die? How about sexually active adults? Should we require them, by force of law, to engage ONLY in "safe sex"? After all, they could get sick and die, could they not?
and take a few people with you?What? If those "few people" don't want to get sick, they can get vaxed. It's all on them and not on the person who does not trust the vax.
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 07:47 PM
Well...yes. People are free to do a great many things that could make them sick and dead. Smoking, drinking alcohol, and sunbathing come to mind quickly and they are all potentially lethal. Are you suggesting we outlaw them? Should we require by force of law all sunbathers wear a measurable amount of sunblock?
Personal freedom. How about wearing a seatbelt? How about lying to one's spouse? How about being a bully?
Silly comment. If those "few people" don't want to get sick, they can get vaxed. It's all on them and not on the person who does not trust the vax.
Vaxed people have gotten covid. People who don't trust the vax have gotten covid -- and died. We're all in this together.
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 08:29 PM
Personal freedom. How about wearing a seatbelt? How about lying to one's spouse? How about being a bully?I don't agree with forced seatbelt laws. Last time I checked, lying to your spouse does not make someone sick and dead. Being a bully infringes on the rights of someone else.
You did not comment on smoking, drinking alcohol, or sunbathing. Should those activities be taken away from personal choice? How about the flu vaccine? Should everyone be forced to take it? If not, then aren't you allowing someone's personal freedom to possibly cause someone else to get sick and die?
I really wish you would address those questions. If you won't, then I'm out. Not interested in a one-way discussion.
As to your second comment, you seem to be suggesting that people should be forced to take a vaccine that is so ineffective that they could transmit the disease to someone else who has taken the vaccine. Not with you on that one.
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 09:00 PM
I don't agree with forced seatbelt laws.
Protects you and the seatbelted driver you crash into. (I used to be a Bodily Injury Sec'y for State Farm.)
Last time I checked, lying to your spouse does not make someone sick and dead. Of course, it can!
Being a bully infringes on the rights of someone else.
And screws up the bully's life.
You did not comment on smoking, drinking alcohol, or sunbathing. Should those activities be taken away from personal choice?
It's been tried.
How about the flu vaccine? Should everyone be forced to take it? If not, then aren't you allowing someone's personal freedom to possibly cause someone else to get sick and die?
Hmm, are you? Many Christian Republicans refuse to be vaxed.
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 09:10 PM
Oh well. You won't address my questions as I did yours. Saying, "It's been tried," does not answer this. "Should those activities be taken away from personal choice?" Nor would you answer, "How about the flu vaccine? Should everyone be forced to take it? If not, then aren't you allowing someone's personal freedom to possibly cause someone else to get sick and die?"
But it's alright. I wish you the best. Have a good night. Thankfully, Jesus is still faithful. I would just prefer you not answer someone else's questions.
Wondergirl
Feb 25, 2022, 09:32 PM
Oh well. You won't address my questions as I did yours. Saying, "It's been tried," does not answer this. "Should those activities be taken away from personal choice?" Nor would you answer, "How about the flu vaccine? Should everyone be forced to take it? If not, then aren't you allowing someone's personal freedom to possibly cause someone else to get sick and die?"
I honestly don't know what you want in response.
"It's been tried." You never learned about Prohibition? And smoking has been greatly discouraged by the AMA. You don't know that?
jlisenbe
Feb 25, 2022, 09:34 PM
Oh you do. It's two simple questions you have refused to answer.
"Should those activities (smoking, drinking alcohol, sunbathing, and sexual behavior) be taken away from personal choice?"
"How about the flu vaccine? Should everyone be forced to take it? If not, then aren't you allowing someone's personal freedom to possibly cause someone else to get sick and die?"
tomder55
Feb 26, 2022, 05:31 AM
My only comment is that seat belt laws comes with the PRIVILAGE (not a right)of driving a car. You get your drivers license based on the skills you have and the rules you agree to follow.
jlisenbe
Feb 26, 2022, 05:52 AM
That's a good response, and perhaps on that basis the feds can mandate the wearing of seatbelts, but they could also mandate the wearing of a helmet and fire resistant shirt and pants on that same principle.
tomder55
Feb 26, 2022, 06:50 AM
The rights issue is going to be a lead issue in the Jackson confirmation debate . Look for the 9th amendment to get a lot of discussion. That was Clueless' ace card in the rejection of Bork (besides the personal smear campaign led by the swimmer )
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”
That amendment is word salad subject to the possible broadest of interpretation . Most of the original bill of rights amendments were negative rights restrictions about what the government shall not do. This one alone opens the possibilities of so called positive rights (what the government must provide ). What the people retain as a right is open to endless possibilities .
tomder55
Feb 26, 2022, 07:55 AM
Also in the discussion will be the diabolical use of the 14th amendment's section 3 and the Dems attempt to use that as a tool to reverse the red wave coming in November .
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
This was a section to prevent former Confederates who had served in Congress from again becoming members . Under an originalist interpretation the restrictions are void because there are no longer any remaining Confederates alive. But under broad interpretations it could be used in conjunction with finding members of Congress had engaged in" insurrection or rebellion " or had given aid and comfort to a rebellion .
tomder55
Feb 26, 2022, 07:45 PM
Authoritarianism, sanctioned and justified in the name of public health and safety, is the enemy that the Canadian truckers were rebelling against .
jlisenbe
Feb 26, 2022, 07:50 PM
Well said, Tom.
Wondergirl
Feb 26, 2022, 10:27 PM
Authoritarianism??? And had they all (along with family and friends) gotten seriously ill and many died while the "authorities" could have put helpful safety restrictions on human activity, how would they have reacted???
tomder55
Feb 27, 2022, 04:13 AM
yes authoritarianism “A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams
tomder55
Feb 27, 2022, 01:18 PM
The Russian protest crowds are getting bigger and louder as the war is not going as Putin expected .
Fog of war
Unconfirmed reports of Russian conscripts surrendering and abandoning equipment without a fight . Unconfirmed report of a Russian unit that mutinied before entering Ukraine . They were there for training when they were ordered to advance. Evidently they were never informed why they were there . Unconfirmed reports that Turkish drones are doing a number on Russian SAM and tanks . Russia did not establish air superiority yet .Unconfirmed reports Russia has moved mass casualty weapons into the outskirt of urban areas .
Wondergirl
Feb 27, 2022, 01:35 PM
yes authoritarianism “A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams
A mandate to wear masks isn't encroaching on Constitutional freedoms. Masks are to be worn for public safety so your infected droplets don't make someone else ill -- or theirs don't make you ill.
tomder55
Feb 27, 2022, 01:49 PM
masks don't work except N95 and everyone knows it .
Wondergirl
Feb 27, 2022, 02:20 PM
masks don't work except N95 and everyone knows it .
And KN95. The authorities have made them easily available.
tomder55
Feb 27, 2022, 02:31 PM
KN95 is up to Chinese standards . That is my only commentary . No one who still foolishly thinks mask mandates are justified argue that only N95 or KN95 should be the only options . They are not inexpensive .A pack of 3M goes for a $1-$2 a mask .
BUT the real issue is that they are no longer ;nor have they been needed for most of the population. The mandates were always over reaction to the pandemic . It has followed a predictable course to endemic stage .
Wondergirl
Feb 27, 2022, 02:57 PM
The mandates were always over reaction to the pandemic . It has followed a predictable course to endemic stage .
And you would have been one of the first screaming "The government wants us dead!" when no one was required to wear masks in public and people were dropping over like flies.
There's no "predictable course" in a pandemic.
tomder55
Feb 28, 2022, 06:12 AM
COVID Dinner Discussion - SNL - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k6xroHtn-8&t=277s)
tomder55
Sep 9, 2022, 02:21 PM
JFKerry is in England already to discuss climate change at the passing of the Queen .
It's not political...It's a universal issue defined by science."
I wonder how he got to England so fast ?
Daily Caller on Twitter: "John Kerry on climate change: "It's not political...It's a universal issue defined by science." https://t.co/bMdHBNj41m" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1568239255876427777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568239255876427777%7Ctwgr% 5E5feb56e55077de972343507e0c28ce7df6031518%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthepostmillennial.com%2Fjohn-kerry-jets-to-england-complains-about-climate-change)