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tomder55
Feb 11, 2022, 05:46 AM
The Brits had a music awards . They decided to make it a gender neutral award instead of awards for male and female artists
Adele won the award for artist ,song of the year and album. While accepting it she said .“I understand why the name of this award has changed but I really love being a woman and being a female artist. I do!” "I’m really proud of us, I really, really am."
She got thunderous applauds from the audience . But then the cancel culture attacked . She evidently is a TERF . What is a TERF ? Until today I had no idea.
It means she is a trans-exclusionary radical feminist.. Is she one based on the fact that she loves being a woman ? And when did that become a bad thing ? The next step in the progression is that she is "transphobe" whether she actually is or not.
Saying out loud that you’re proud to be a woman or a man is now offensive. Got that?
It’s become apparent you’re at the risk of cancellation for just about anything you say or do.
Wonder how this song would do at the awards shows :
I'm a girl and by me that's only great
I am proud that my silhouette is curvy
That I walk with a sweet and girlish gait
With my hips kind of swivelly and swervey
I adore being dressed in something frilly
When my date comes to get me at my place
Out I go with my Joe or John or Billy
Like a filly who is ready for the race
When I have a brand new hairdo
With my eyelashes all in curls
I float as the clouds on air do
I enjoy being a girl
When men say I'm cute and funny
And my teeth aren't teeth but pearls
I just lap it up like honey
I enjoy being a girl
I flip when a fellow sends me flowers
I drool over dresses made of lace
I talk on the telephone for hours
With a pound and a half of cream upon my face
I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy, having a girl like me
When men say I'm sweet as candy
As around in a dance we whirl
It goes to my head like brandy
I enjoy being a girl
With someone with eyes that smolder
Says he loves every silken curl
That falls on my ivory shoulder
I enjoy being a girl
When I hear a complementary whistle
That greets my bikini by the sea
I turn and I glower and I gristle
But I'm happy to know the whistles meant for me
I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy, having a girl like me
I Enjoy Being A Girl Flower Drum Song Movie - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjWn-ueeeLw)
Wondergirl
Feb 11, 2022, 09:59 AM
A MtF artist is a woman. A FtM artist is a man. The trans people I'm friends with are very happy and proud to be the gender Mother Nature had programmed them to be during pregnancy, but had screwed up on their external sex organs.
tomder55
Feb 11, 2022, 11:19 AM
Why is Adele taking heat for saying she is proud to be a woman ? The woke crowd are the intolerant ones
Wondergirl
Feb 11, 2022, 11:58 AM
Terffers are complaining that Adele is proud to be a "REAL" woman?
tomder55
Feb 11, 2022, 12:00 PM
no they claim she is a TERF
Adele's 'I Love Being a Woman' BRIT Awards Speech Sparks Transphobia Debate (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/adeles-i-love-being-woman-brit-awards-speech-sparks-transphobia-debate-1677505)
Wondergirl
Feb 11, 2022, 12:12 PM
Obviously, they don't understand what transgender and transitioning are all about. Just more stupid people. The world is being swamped by stoopidity. And they very likely don't have library cards.
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 05:51 AM
are very happy and proud to be the gender Mother Nature had programmed them to be during pregnancy, but had screwed up on their external sex organs.A theory founded on basically nothing. There is no evidence at all to back that idea up. A person could just as well say that "Mother Nature" programmed him/her to be a dog or a cat.
I would want to tell those friends of yours that Jesus is still changing lives.
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 10:11 AM
It isn't a choice. Do some honest googling. You'll be amazed at what Mother Nature can do to a fetus before it's born. Why are you right-handed (or left-handed)? When did you choose that? Why do some teens chose to have acne?
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 02:14 PM
Anytime someone says to me, "Do some honest googling," I regard it as an open admission that they have no evidence to back up his/her ideas.
As to what Mother Nature can do to a fetus, what is really amazing is what abortionists can do to them. But even if what you are saying is correct, and you have no evidence that it is, it certainly does not make it desirable, normal, or something to celebrate.
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 02:27 PM
You always spit on my links. So why bother. It's there for you to find if you do an honest search with good keywords.
Again I ask: Why are you right-handed (or left-handed)? When did you choose that? Why do some teens chose to have acne?
At what point in your fetal development did you choose to be Caucasian?
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 02:43 PM
Lots of nice questions. No evidence.
I don't spit on links, but I do analyze them.
And again, "But even if what you are saying is correct, and you have no evidence that it is, it certainly does not make it desirable, normal, or something to celebrate."
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 02:58 PM
it certainly does not make it desirable, normal, or something to celebrate.
"It"? causing a child to be left-handed? Being Black or Caucasian?
Ah, no honest searches by you. Figures.
Why am I right-handed and my son was left-handed?
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 03:12 PM
It is your job to validate your points, not mine. You must stir yourself up to some honest research. Don't expect others to do your work for you.
I don't care about left handedness. It is unimportant to this discussion. Race is clearly genetically based in the same manner that gender is. You can no more "choose" your race than you can choose your gender. Thank you for providing the perfect comparison.
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 03:16 PM
I don't care about left handedness. It is unimportant to this discussion. Race is clearly genetically based.
...as is gender identity outside the male-female binary.
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 03:22 PM
...as is gender identity outside the male-female binary.There is no evidence at all to support a genetic connection to something beyond male/female genders...period. So as I said above, you have provided the perfect comparison. Thank you.
tomder55
Feb 13, 2022, 03:23 PM
Adele identifies as a woman;and that appears to be something that is cancelling .
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 03:25 PM
Adele identifies as a womanWho would ever have thought that a woman identifying as a woman would cause a problem. What a crazy world we are now in.
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 03:27 PM
No evidence? Those non-binary people are all around you, may even be related to you. I daily chat with many, including FB friends.
Adele is female. I am female. My husband is male. No cancelling necessary. There's room for all.
jlisenbe
Feb 13, 2022, 05:30 PM
Anecdotal stories don’t help your case.
Wondergirl
Feb 13, 2022, 06:19 PM
Anecdotal stories??? What? You want them to take off their underwear?
tomder55
Feb 14, 2022, 09:01 AM
The Transgender Movement is A Modern-Day Castration Cult – Issues & Insights (issuesinsights.com) (https://issuesinsights.com/2022/02/01/the-transgender-movement-is-a-modern-day-castration-cult/)
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 04:55 PM
Interesting insights, especially the first paragraph.
As a psychologist, I was invariably sympathetic with individuals who had gender dysphoria and/or became transgender, even though the latter was distasteful to me. However, in recent years I have become deeply antagonistic towards such persons, principally because they have targeted children for chemical and physical mutilation.
The present-day transgender movement can best be understood as simply being one of those castration cults that crop up in history from time to time (some may argue that it is not truly a castration cult since girls are taking part, but the basic principle of genital mutilation applies). The movement began with a minor celebrity in America announcing that he had transitioned into a female identity and the subsequently coordinated torrent of adulation from the media that followed.
The popular media’s reaction was very effusive in its approval and of long duration. The clamor was such that he was suddenly awarded the Social Media Queen award, was named one of Glamour’s 25 Glamour Women of the Year, one of 2015 Entertainers of the Year, Barbara Walter’s Most Fascinating Person of 2015, was listed in Time 100, was put in the Vanity Fair and Sports Illustrated covers (both very photoshopped), and given the Arthur Ashe Courage Award. “For being courageous! So very courageous! I’m so inspired by how courageous he/she/it is! Aren’t you?”
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 05:42 PM
That article is a falsehood, a total lie. CT is the evildoer. Transgenders don't go after kids. Straight white males do.
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 06:09 PM
It is absolutely true that the the pro-transgender movement is aiming at schoolkids.
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 06:20 PM
It is absolutely true that the the pro-transgender movement is aiming at schoolkids.
Whoever it is, it isn't transgenders. They have far too many personal, health, and social problems to be attacking anybody.
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 06:22 PM
Google it. It's all over the web.
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 06:26 PM
Google it. It's all over the web.
So is a lot of other crap. I KNOW and am in personal contact with enough transgenders to know this is a lie. Obviously, straight white males (and females?), probably fundie white Christians, dreamt this up to make transgenders scary people.
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 06:37 PM
You can start here. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15118/
I KNOW and am in personal contact with enough transgenders to know this is a lieOh please. You know one tenth of one tenth of one tenth of one percent of the TG persons in America, and you think you can speak for all of them? Surely you realize how silly such an idea is.
This quote was priceless.
In this regards, let me quote Lincoln: “How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?” asked the president, who answered his own question: “Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”
probably fundie white ChristiansWow. Talk about prejudice, there it is.
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 06:43 PM
I'm not going to start anywhere. Talk about hate!!! And rank STUPIDITY!!! Why are these people so anti transgenders? Lemme guess....
That psychologist should have their license removed.
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 07:44 PM
Oh please. You know one tenth of one tenth of one tenth of one percent of the TG persons in America, and you think you can speak for all of them? Surely you realize how silly such an idea is.
You have NO idea. You must be one of the people mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:7.
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 07:57 PM
Dear Wondergirl. You surely must understand that any claim to know what a large group of people believe or do because you know a handful of them is far from compelling.
Wondergirl
Feb 14, 2022, 08:06 PM
Dear Wondergirl. You surely must understand that any claim to know what a large group of people believe or do because you know a handful of them is far from compelling.
Handful? Surely you jest. Well, knowing now what a bigot you are, I won't waste my time filling you in.
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2022, 08:17 PM
I’m a bigot for pointing out your flawed reasoning? I don’t think so.
It has long amazed me how some people love to just throw names and accusations around. If someone does not agree with them, then that person somehow becomes a bigot, or one of the people in 1 Timothy 4, or a "fundie white Christian". It seems sad to me not to simply argue the merits of your ideas.
And yes, I understand that I have been guilty myself. Perhaps we can all put a stop to it.
tomder55
Feb 16, 2022, 04:33 AM
Nearly 40 Percent of U.S. Gen Zs, 30 Percent of Young Christians Identify as LGBTQ, Poll Shows (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-40-percent-us-gen-zs-30-percent-christians-identify-lgbtq-poll-shows-1641085)
I don't know the actual percentage . But it is not 40 % . If the poll said "tolerate it", or "no problem with it" then maybe it would be believable . But identify ? Come on man ! You are talking about 40 million young adults maybe more .
This is a rich nation's obsessive problem . People in other nations concern themselves with the struggle for food, water, shelter ,basic freedoms ,violent wars of revolution; terrorism or narco violence.
In America for the most part life's basic needs are met .
The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations - Foundation for Economic Education (fee.org) (https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/)
That gives this generation the luxury of the delusions of having an alternate life . This is a fad driven by the media and the academia pseudo-intellectual class that indoctrinate the youth with this drivel instead of reinforcing the principles that created and made this nation. They attack Christianity, limited government, individual liberty , responsibility, and capitalism,
To identify as a transformer immediately puts one into an oppressed class ;and as has been noted ,to be woke is to identify as part of a victim group.
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 05:35 AM
Yep. 40% is an absurd claim if they are claiming to BE LGBTQ. But even if it merely means "supports", it is an alarming truth, and in particular the 30% claim relating to young Christians. There is a delusion spreading in the church that a person can be a practicing homosexual and still be Christian. That is clearly disputed in several places in the Bible but it still spreads among that part of the church that really is not Bible centered to begin with. It seems to center around the idea that the Sermon on the Mount is the core of the Christian faith. The idea of a genuine commitment to Christ with a resulting new birth and a decision to truly follow Him rather than sin is shoved into the background.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 07:12 PM
What is a "practicing homosexual"? Is that like a "practicing heterosexual"? Both need to practice?
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 07:25 PM
Definition of “practicing”. Actively following a specific way of life.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 07:33 PM
Neither of those is "a way of life" that is practiced.
"Lemme see now. This week I'm going to be homosexual. Next week I'll be heterosexual."
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 07:49 PM
Of course they are a way of life.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 07:51 PM
A way of life that's chosen?
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 08:00 PM
Every way of life is a choice.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 08:02 PM
You chose to be heterosexual.
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 08:06 PM
What do you mean?
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 08:10 PM
Read the previous posts we made.
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 08:12 PM
You don’t know what you meant? That’s strange.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 08:14 PM
YOU aren't following. I typed simple sentences.
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 08:44 PM
So simple that even you can’t understand them. Very strange indeed.
Wondergirl
Feb 16, 2022, 08:57 PM
You always throw it onto the Other. And I kept it kindergarten simple.
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 09:24 PM
A person might be tempted with same sex attraction and yet not act on them. That person would not be a practicing homosexual and would not be guilty of sin. The person who DOES act on them would be guilty. The same is true of temptations to adultery, porn, stealing, murdering, and so forth.
I kept it kindergarten simple.I asked you to explain your comment and you could not. Is that what constitutes "kindergarten simple"?
jlisenbe
Feb 16, 2022, 09:45 PM
Good night, WG. Hope you and your hubster are doing well.
tomder55
Feb 17, 2022, 06:24 AM
LGBTQXYZ is acting on obsessive compulsions .
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 06:38 AM
I'd say most people are doing likewise. It is the human disease.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 09:49 AM
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 12:13 PM
Do you mean when did I choose to respond to the desire within me for sex with a woman? Well, I chose that when I got married. Both before and since then I have passed up some good opportunities to exercise my heterosexual urges. So the moral of the story is this. We all make choices. We can sin in many ways. Having a desire for something is not an excuse for doing it. So the man who desires sex with a 12 year old girl has no excuse for pursuing it. The man who wants to cheat repeatedly on his wife has no excuse. The woman who wants to sleep with her sister or spend all of her money on herself has no excuse. The key thing is to find that which we love and treasure more than our desires, and in my case that treasure is Jesus. I certainly hope I value Him far more than any temptations I have.
How about you? Did you just pursue any and all desires you had in your life or did you say "no" to some things in order to say "yes" to Jesus? What did you do?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 12:42 PM
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
tomder55
Feb 17, 2022, 01:25 PM
trick question heterosexual is natural
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 01:37 PM
Heterosexual is NOT natural.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 02:10 PM
The woman who loves to ask questions absolutely refuses to answer them. "How about you? Did you just pursue any and all desires you had in your life or did you say "no" to some things in order to say "yes" to Jesus? What did you do?"
tomder55
Feb 17, 2022, 02:10 PM
yes it is . It is the only natural way for humans to reproduce . Natural law decided how humans breed
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 02:11 PM
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yes it is . It is the only natural way for humans to reproduce .
Absolutely correct. Any eighth grade biology student can very readily figure what is intended to go where and why.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 02:28 PM
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
tomder55
Feb 17, 2022, 02:30 PM
see #56
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 02:31 PM
The question has been answered already. The answer just doesn't please her.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=849037&page=3&p=3879118#post3879118
Additionally, the woman who loves to ask questions absolutely refuses to answer them. "How about you? Did you just pursue any and all desires you had in your life or did you say "no" to some things in order to say "yes" to Jesus? What did you do?"
tomder55
Feb 17, 2022, 02:33 PM
I identify as non-Bidenary.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 02:33 PM
That one made me laugh out loud!
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 02:38 PM
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 02:59 PM
Oh well...we tried.
You cannot have a discussion with someone who does not want to have one, though she be a nice, caring person.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 03:06 PM
When did you choose to be righthanded (or lefthanded)?
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 03:07 PM
Probably the best summary. " But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,"
So everything must take a back seat to the activity of coming to know Christ. EVERYTHING.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 03:27 PM
When did you choose your eye color?
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 03:31 PM
When I was ten.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 03:44 PM
Read Psalms 139:14.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 03:46 PM
I read it.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 03:56 PM
I didn't choose to have brown eyes. I didn't choose to be righthanded.
Mother Nature put me in the LGBTQ community. I didn't choose to be.
Yet I am fearfully and wonderously made!
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 04:10 PM
Mother Nature put me in the LGBTQ community.You know that how?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 04:20 PM
You know that how?
Life review.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 04:22 PM
Life review? Surely you realize that is far less than compelling? It really just sounds like your opinion to me.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 04:28 PM
Life review? Surely you realize that is far less than compelling? It really just sounds like your opinion to me.
I'm a psychotherapist. I know how to do this.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 04:47 PM
You know how to figure out where "Mother Nature" put someone? Sorry, but you are taking your stand on the hill of opinion.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 05:10 PM
You know how to figure out where "Mother Nature" put someone? Sorry, but you are taking your stand on the hill of opinion.
I certainly didn't choose this.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 05:39 PM
Didn’t choose what?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 05:58 PM
My sexual orientation.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 06:04 PM
I don’t know what your sexual orientation is and it’s really none of my business. I do wish you the best whatever it is.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 06:11 PM
Sexual orientation is not an individual's choice.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 06:14 PM
Sexual activity is a person’s choice. It still comes down to making Jesus our most prized possession for whom we would sacrifice anything and everything freely and happily. It’s the goal of my life.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 06:22 PM
Sexual activity is not sexual orientation.
Sexual orientation is not an individual's choice.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 06:26 PM
Sexual activity IS a choice. Seeking Christ as our deepest love is a choice.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 06:40 PM
Sexual activity is a choice
Sexual orientation is not a choice.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 07:24 PM
Has anyone argued otherwise? It does concern me that you have neglected to comment about choosing Christ. Any reason?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 07:25 PM
I didn't find Christ. He found me.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 07:47 PM
But you still had to make a decision to follow Him. Correct?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 08:07 PM
Nope. He scooped me up in His arms and whispered in my ear His love for me. He never let me go.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 08:10 PM
Sorry, but that is not Biblical. The call is always to follow Him. It requires a choice.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 08:16 PM
Nope.
Luther: I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Spirit has called me by the Gospel, enlightens me with His gifts, sanctifies and keeps me in the true faith.
Choice? I can only say no and refuse that love.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 08:21 PM
As I said, that is not biblical. When Jesus called someone he did so openly. They had a decision to make. Reference the rich young ruler. But perhaps you can point to a person in the Bible who had an experience similar to you.
Part two. I missed this. "Choice? I can only say no and refuse that love." That is still a decision you must make. God does not drag us into His Kingdom against our will. We must still say "Yes."
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 08:26 PM
You're misinformed. I'll stick with Luther and Calvin.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 08:27 PM
Luther and Calvin did not say what you are professing to be true. I'll stick with the Bible.
I do certainly believe in the "keeping power" of Christ and His ability to hold me in His hand. In fact I agree with much of what you said, but to suggest that you became a Christian without an affirmation on your part is not Biblical and not in the tradition of Calvin or Luther.
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 08:34 PM
Yes, they did. Baptism, confirmation. No altar calls.
"Both Luther and Calvin believe that humans can do nothing to deserve or merit God's saving grace. People cannot justify themselves before God. Rather, God justifies the sinner through Christ. The situation is not that of grace being offered to, and accepted by, persons."
Calvin: "Total inability." This is the concept that it is impossible for the ordinary "natural" human to understand the Gospel's message. They are spiritually helpless. First, God must decide to intervene in the form of the third personality within the Trinity, the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, the person is lost forever.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 09:16 PM
Are you suggesting that Luther, in his conversion, violated his own precepts?
"Nevertheless, I beat importunately upon Paul at that place, most ardently desiring to know what St. Paul wanted. At last, by the mercy of God, meditating day and night, I gave heed to the context of the words, namely, “In it the righteousness of God is revealed, as it is written, ‘He who through faith is righteous shall live.’” There I began to understand that the righteousness of God is that by which the righteous lives by a gift of God, namely by faith. And this is the meaning: the righteousness of God is revealed by the gospel, namely, the passive righteousness with which merciful God justifies us by faith, as it is written, “He who through faith is righteous shall live.” Here I felt that I was altogether born again and had entered paradise itself through open gates. There a totally other face of the entire Scripture showed itself to me."
Very clearly, Luther found what he had been actively seeking. Additionally, every major Christian in the NT made a conscious decision to follow Christ. From Peter to Matthew to Paul to Timothy to Lydia, they all made decisions to follow Him. To suggest we can be on a journey which had no beginning seems silly to me.
Do you agree with all of the description you posted of Calvin's beliefs?
Wondergirl
Feb 17, 2022, 09:20 PM
You are totally misreading and misunderstanding Luther's words.
jlisenbe
Feb 17, 2022, 09:24 PM
His words are very clear. I don't think there is misunderstanding on my part.
https://theaquilareport.com/story-martin-luthers-conversion/#:~:text=The%20actual%20date%20of%20Martin%20Luthe r%E2%80%99s%20conversion%20is,likely%2C%20however% 2C%20that%20Luther%E2%80%99s%20conversion%20came%2 0in%201519
I'll ask again. Do you agree with all of the description you posted about Calvin's beliefs?
Hope you have a good night.
tomder55
Feb 18, 2022, 04:11 PM
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