Are they trying to protect us? themselves? Are they trying to make us happy and contented? Are they trying to subtly force a change in attitude or behavior? Are they trying to gain time for something or avoid discovery?

All of the above.

Perhaps more to the point, why did Clinton lie about Paula Jones and then lie to a grand jury about ML? Do those lies make his denials about Juanita Broderick less believable? Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things? Why did HC lie about flying into Kosovo "under fire"?

why did Clinton lie about Paula Jones and then lie to a grand jury about ML?
To protect himself, his reputation.

Do those lies make his denials about Juanita Broderick less believable?
Yes.

Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
Please list three lies by each.

Why did HC lie about flying into Kosovo "under fire"?
Hillary said during her campaign: "I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our helmets and bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her — so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it."

Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later.

"I remember landing under sniper fire," she (HC) said in Washington on Monday. "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." It was all a bunch of nonsense and was completely discredited by the Post at the time. She flat out lied about it.

I have already posted Biden's lies, but here they are again. President Joe Biden keeps telling lies. He just told a New Hampshire crowd of “having had a house burn down with my wife in it — she got out safely, God willing.” In fact, the Associated Press reports, it was a minor kitchen fire (https://nypost.com/2021/11/22/biden-refers-to-small-2004-kitchen-fire-as-house-burning-down/), with no damage visible from outside. He’s overblown the incident in the past, albeit not as much. Nor can he stop talking about a chat with an Amtrak conductor in his seventh year as vice president, when the guy retired 15 years before Biden became veep and had died by the year of the tale.

Now either the pres is lying repeatedly or he is becoming senile.

But here's another one to make three. This was Biden assuring everyone he would not have mandatory vaccines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QNsNMFH5s

Here's the Youtube video of a CBS report about HC REPEATEDLY peddling that wild tale. It was a complete fabrication. But isn't it interesting how eager you were to try and support her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaxA9Q-9AQ

She has NEVER landed ANYWHERE under sniper fire. Do you really believe any Air Force transport aircraft would have landed the First Lady with her daughter in that kind of situation? And no civvy in their right mind would take their daughter into a place under active sniper fire, nor would any foreign country want them to come in. Imagine being known as the country in which HC and her daughter were killed by snipers. It sure seemed to be just an effort to look brave and noble that fell flat on its face.

But isn't it interesting how eager you were to try and support her?
I can't stand her! I looked at several articles on sites I respect and dug up what I posted about her comments.

Where is the list of three lies by Trump?

You can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.

You undersold the completely fallacious nature of HC's wild tale. I still wonder why. Perhaps you just didn't do sufficient homework.

You can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.
No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!

You want me to do all the work. That settles it. You ARE a liberal dem.

You want me to do all the work. That settles it. You ARE a liberal dem.
As we Germans say, you are full of applesauce.

You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
I posted: Please list three lies by each.

All you can post are questions and fake news about Hillary? You have talked about your wonderful research skills. They didn’t work very well for your HC info. This is your shot at redemption now. I dare not take that from you.

You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
I posted: Please list three lies by each.

Why is this so difficult for you?

I wouldn't think of robbing you of your only chance at redemption. After all, the "registered repulican" who concluded, "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later," should be eager for a chance to redeem herself. And particularly for failing to see that there was not a particle of "extreme danger" at the Kosovo airport. So the offer remains on the table for you. You REALLY need it.

Besides, you're not worried about lying UNLESS it is done by Trump. Lying by one of your liberal dem heroes doesn't get your attention.

Wow! You are really in a mood tonight.

Is it untrue?

Huh? I don't understand.

Never mind.

You posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things?
I posted: Please list three lies by each.

Why is this so difficult for you?

Members of the Trump Cult are notoriously afraid of the truth especially when it exposes Trump.

yeah I get it .... Trump/Repubs bad

Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?

POWER ..... the desire to have it ;the fear of losing it . They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth .

They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth Which is exactly why committed liberal dems set their hair on fire about a supposed Trump lie, but then have no comment on established incidents of lying by HC, BC, and Biden other than trying to excuse them.

I really struggle to understand that. If lying is bad, then it's bad for everyone. If a person is selective in their criticism, then it is plain that something other than a dislike of lying is driving the narrative.

Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?

POWER ..... the desire to have it ;the fear of losing it . They know they can get away with it because often their followers live in echo chambers and don't want to know an alternative . They believe that if they tell the lie enough times it becomes the truth .
Perfectly said, Tom!


Which is exactly why committed liberal dems set their hair on fire about a supposed Trump lie, but then have no comment on established incidents of lying by HC, BC, and Biden other than trying to excuse them.
It works that way for repubs too.

Good morning, WG.

"It works that way for repubs too." That is certainly true. I was more referring to people on this board. I don't see the point in posting about Trump's supposed lie, but then being curiously silent about lies from BC, HC, and Biden. Either we re opposed to lying, or we just want to be critical of DT.

Good morning, WG.

"It works that way for repubs too." That is certainly true. I was more referring to people on this board. I don't see the point in posting about Trump's supposed lie, but then being curiously silent about lies from BC, HC, and Biden. Either we re opposed to lying, or we just want to be critical of DT.
I'm still waiting for you to give me three examples of lies by Trump and Biden. You don't want to stay after school to work on this, do you?

Wayyyy too late for that, I'm afraid. I've done all the work so far. I know you would not want to pass up this chance to up your quality of work from the distressingly poor conclusion you reached about HC.

Wayyyy too late for that, I'm afraid. I've done all the work so far.
You did not complete the assignment. You told ME to find Trump's lies.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3878396#post3878396)You can look up Trump lies. Just be aware that the one claimed by Athos was hardly a lie. That has been documented earlier.

No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!

But you don’t get to pass out assignments. Why do lib dems always want someone else to do their work? Nah. I’ve shown I can do the research. Now it’s your turn.

yeah I get it .... Trump/Repubs bad

Took you long enough.

PS - Not just bad - far worse than that. Try attempting to overthrow the duly-elected president and continuing the Big Lie as devotees of Trump. It's inconceivable why you continue to support the madman Trump.

But you don’t get to pass out assignments. Why do lib dems always want someone else to do their work? Nah. I’ve shown I can do the research. Now it’s your turn.
It's because you'd have to list lies by Trump, isn't it. Aha! And I can pass out assignments because it's MY thread.

YOU posted: Why have Trump and Biden repeatedly lied about all sorts of things? Then you mentioned three lies by Biden, but didn't bother to mention any Trump's lies -- and told me to find them myself.

No, this time YOU list three Trump lies. You're so good at picking out lies; this is your golden opportunity!

He will NEVER list Trump lies, WG. Trump does not allow a negative truth told against him. His followers are keenly aware of that.

I did the research on bc, hc, and jb which you don’t care to address. You have no room to sermonize.

Besides, WG needs her chance at redemption.

I did the research on bc, hc, and jb which you don’t care to address. You have no room to sermonize.
You did not complete the assignment.

Besides, WG needs her chance at redemption.
I have been redeemed and will spend eternity with my Lord and Savior.

Not on the basis of your poor work on the hc Kosovo fairytale. Really bad look for a retired librarian. We expected much better.

I mean REALLY! Aren't you terribly embarrassed by this swing and a miss? "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later." There is no part of that which is even close to being right. Did you do better work than that as a librarian? I hope so.

Not on the basis of your poor work on the hc Kosovo fairytale. Really bad look for a retired librarian. We expected much better.
Did you miss my comment?: "I can't stand her! I looked at several articles on sites I respect and dug up what I posted about her comments."

I did see that. You are basically saying you did research and yet missed the truth by a mile. Am I supposed to feel better now??? Like I said. It's a really bad look for a retired librarian. It's like a math teacher deciding that six times six equals twelve.

In fact it bears repeating. "Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later." Unreal!!

I did see that. You are basically saying you did research and yet missed the truth by a mile.
Nope, I didn't miss the truth. Please read more carefully.

I'm sure you've never exaggerated later.

Nope, I didn't miss the truth. Please read more carefully.And now you are doubling down on it. Hilarious!! "Six times six DOES equal twelve!!"

Here. I'll break it down for you.


Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was goingThere was no danger at all at the airport as the CBS video clearly shows. And there was NO "corkscrew" landing.


and the prep taken,The prep was to have a nice collection of people there who all looked happy and relaxed.


it would have been natural to exaggerate later."Only if you think "exaggerate" means, "to lie like a dog".

Do you see your errors now? NONE of it was valid.

No errors by me. I had prefaced that with:

Hillary said during her campaign:

Nope. YOU said this. It was your silly, erroneous conclusion. ""Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later."

I'm done with this until you are ready to be honest.

Nope. YOU said this. It was your silly, erroneous conclusion. ""Considering the extreme danger in the place where she was going and the prep taken, it would have been natural to exaggerate later."
Prefaced by Hillary said during her campaign:

You would have done the same thing -- going into a known dangerous situation, prepped with protective gear, then years later, you'd recall only the danger and your fear.

Like I said…honesty. It was not a dangerous situation as the video makes clear. You are not being truthful. Disappointing.

Like I said…honesty. It was not a dangerous situation as the video makes clear.
In retrospect, remembering it years later, yes, it was. Do you and your wife remember your wedding day with identical memories? Is she a liar if she doesn't remember what you do? And yes, Hillary embroidered the situation years later, just as you and I -- and most humans -- would. It's what people do. Now, that makes me think of Trump and HIS lies....

In retrospect, remembering it years later, yes, it wasI don't care for your efforts to cover up for her. For anyone to believe that she was EVER flown into a dangerous situation as first lady with her daughter along is just silliness. It never happened. She lied.

I'm done. Try your excuses on someone else. Bye.

I'm not covering for her. There were heaps and gobs of military with her on that flight. And when she landed. In a Reuters report:

***Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.

In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.

Several news outlets disputed the claim and a video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.

“I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently,” Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state’s April 22 primary. She said she had a “different memory” about the landing.***

Lie verb to create a false or misleading impression

No! to have a different memory of an event .

Lie verb to create a false or misleading impression

No! to have a different memory of an event .
Was it deliberate or "a different memory"? A great deal of time had passed.

If I was running serpentine to avoid gun fire it would forever be emblazed in my memory .

The In Laws - Alan Arkin - Peter Falk - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9MU2oXzSL4)

Terrific video, tomder! Okay, I'll concede. Hillary lied. Otherwise, she would have been shouting "serpentine" at every news conference.

I'm done. Try your excuses on someone else. Bye.

Too funny. Can't - won't - give three Trump lies so he misdirects desperately, trying to change the subject, then runs away. Nothing new here, folks.

Can't - won't - give three Trump lies so he misdirects desperately, trying to change the subject, then runs away. Nothing new here, folks.Easy solution. You comment on what has already been presented about HC, BC, and JB lying, and then we can move on. There is no point in presenting more material to someone who will not comment on what has already been presented.

Hope you do a better job than what was already attempted on the Kosovo fairytale. That's assuming you actually respond, which of course you won't.

Easy solution. You comment on what has already been presented about HC, BC, and JB lying.
Trump was part of the assignment. You did not complete the assignment. Your grade is "Incomplete". Plus, you dropped out of the discussion in post #45. Did you get bored without us?

Whoops. I missed this. I commend you, WG. "Okay, I'll concede. Hillary lied." A refreshing breeze of honesty dances across the board!

Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?
"Authority" - Man was given "Dominion and Authority."
You might ask; Why didn't God intervene, and just tell Eve, Stop...don't touch the Fruit?
God did not have the authority to do So...at least not until he produced a body for himself.


people, politicians, clergy, educators, lie?
Because We still believe (operate) in the Lie!

God did not have the authority to do So...at least not until he produced a body for himself
Of course He did. But as the allegory goes, He gave Adam and Eve Free Will.

Nota bene: FREE will.

Because We still believe (operate) in the Lie!
I have no idea what that means. Please explain.

You might ask; Why didn't God intervene, and just tell Eve, Stop...don't touch the Fruit?
God did not have the authority to do.God had already told Adam and Eve to not eat the fruit. Eve knew that perfectly well, so how you decided that God did not have the authority to do so is a little mystifying. He clearly knew He did have such authority.


16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Because We still believe (operate) in the Lie!
I have no idea what that means. Please explain.
This World is a lie. If you operate in this world (according to your flesh)...you are living a lie.

@jlisenbe

God had already told Adam and Eve And the Lord God commanded the man?
This is not relevant at the moment.
Why didn't God intervene, and just tell Eve, Stop...don't touch the Fruit? God heard the conversation. God knew what was going on. Couldn't God have saved us a lot of trouble...if he simply came down and told her - STOP, don't do it???

John Wesley - "It seems that without God, man CANNOT, and without man, God WILL NOT"
This quote means there has to be a partnership between heaven and earth.
God would always need man’s permission before He can operate on earth.
Man was given "Dominion and Authority.

This World is a lie. If you operate in this world (according to your flesh)...you are living a lie.
Please explain.

This World is a lie. If you operate in this world (according to your flesh)...you are living a lie.
Please explain.Look beyond the earthly things of this world to the glory yet to be revealed and to become mentally and morally changed by the influence which is “from above. Kingdom Concept; God (the King) is Law! It is not a Democracy. When the King Speaks, there is no question. God's Word is Law! Those who belong to this World operate according to its Laws (just make em up as you go)...AKA the Lie.

I disagree. God teaches us Love. Love for our surroundings (don't dump trash on it), love for animals (don't torture and exploit them), and each other (treat others as you wish to be treated).

Keep the Gospel message (God loves us and sent His Son to die in our place) simple and straightforward. No gobbledy-gook.

1 John 2:15-17 Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world.

I disagree. Okay then.


God teaches us Love. It appears as if you know only the teachings of love...that which is according to this World.

gaffe - when a politician inadvertently tells the truth or says the quite parts out loud.

And the Lord God commanded the man? This is not relevant at the moment.Then how did Eve become aware of the commandment which she most certainly knew? Sorry Walter, but to suggest that God had no authority in the Garden is just silly. He certainly had plenty of authority to cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden.


It appears as if you know only the teachings of love...that which is according to this World.You have read the situation correctly. There are those on this site who accept the teachings of scripture which they find agreeable, but reject those teachings which make them uncomfortable.


God teaches us Love. Love for our surroundings (don't dump trash on it), love for animals (don't torture and exploit them), and each other (treat others as you wish to be treated).There is no commandment in the Bible to love animals or to love our "surroundings". We take care of those things as a trust, but we are not to love them in the same way that we love people.

JL:
You're not getting it.
Nothing to do with "God's garden.
Adam could have slapped Eve upside the head, and prevented Eve from Conversing with the serpent.
Why didn't God stop Eve...? Why didn't God enter into a living being and communicate with Man...just as the Devil had done?

Why did God just sit idly by?

Our disagreement is with your idea that God had no authority in the Garden. It's just an incorrect idea that is contradicted on a number of occasions, the most important of which is the fact that God was issuing commandments in the Garden. God did communicate with man. That is plainly apparent. When Adam and Eve sinned, they were cast out of the Garden. Their lives were made more difficult. They suffered great loss, and all because of the authority which God exercised in the earth.

Now the issue of why God chose not to directly intervene in the temptation is a different question. You could ask the same question as to why God chose not to directly intervene when Cain killed Able, or when David had Uriah killed, or when Saul chose to be disobedient, and the list goes on and on. But it certainly does not indicate a lack of authority.

I would have to agree with WG's observation that God allows us to exercise free will. Now how that factors into the sovereignty of God is yet another very difficult question.

Now the issue of why God chose not to directly intervene in the temptation is a different question.
That is the Question.

Found it:


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=myles+munroe%2c+why+God+didnt+stop+eve+fr om+eatong+the+fruit&view=detail&mid=57E27DA62A86AE31BD4E57E27DA62A86AE31BD4E&FORM=VIRE

Fair enough as long as we understand that "God had no authority" is not the answer. He exercised PLENTY of authority.

Now you might be saying that God had put man in charge of the Garden, and of the earth really, and expected man to conduct himself in a manner consistent with God's will, a sort of limited authority given to man. Perhaps that is what you are saying? But just understand that it was a LIMITED authority, and God came along afterward and exercised His unlimited authority.

My primary objection was your observation that God had no authority since God had no body. There is simply no support at all for that idea.


John Wesley - "It seems that without God, man CANNOT, and without man, God WILL NOT"
This quote means there has to be a partnership between heaven and earth.Wesley was referring to prayer in that famous quote. I love the teaching's of Wesley, but I do think he overstepped the truth some there.


God would always need man’s permission before He can operate on earth.That is just wrong. Any even surface reading of the Bible shows where God interjects His will repeatedly with no involvement of man at all. Who gave God permission to select David as king, or to select Elisha as a prophet, or to send angels to announce the birth of Christ in Luke? For that matter, did Adam give God permission to kick Adam and Eve out of the Garden, of to curse the serpent, or to punish Eve with painful childbirth?

Why bother giving Man Authority...Who Gave God Authority?

It is thought; In order for free will - God had to separate himself from his creation. Hence, the creation of Darkness/Sin.
What an Awesome GOD! Bringing light out of the Darkness...God added to himself.

Man is always given limited authority. It's the same authority you gave your children, but you certainly didn't need their permission to override that limited authority.

No one gave God authority anymore than some being created God. He is eternal and His authority is eternal.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”


It is thought; In order for free will - God had to separate himself from his creation.Some people might think that, but there is no evidence at all to support it and MUCH evidence in the Bible to contradict it. Just look, for instance, at the first three chapters of Genesis. Just look at the incarnation.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Exactly - Nothing in-between (Time) matters. God gives us "this day." We are in control of "this Day.
We Own this day. We no longer own yesterday nor do we own tomorrow.

God gave all authority and dominion to Man...The Man Jesus...God in the Flesh.
And that is how God intervened. Otherwise, he might have simply talked through Clyde the Billy Goat, in the same manner as the devil did.

That was not the point of the text at all. The point is the eternal nature of God. It had nothing to do with us.

If you can find a passage in the Bible that teaches explicitly the idea that God needs our permission before He can act, or that we can "own" a day, then we can continue.

Honestly, you perplex me. You seem to be a Christian, and yet you seem to have no understanding of the need for doctrine to come from the Bible and be supported by the Bible. So you post video links (which didn't work) and opinions, but no scripture.

God needs our permission before He can act
Did God not seek Abraham's approval before destroying Sodom?

The point is really; God needs a body. God is not going to simply take over a Body without permission.
What about the Serpent (why did God curse the serpent)?
When God provided coverings for Adam and Eve...what about that very first sacrifice (shedding of blood)? Do you think the Creator simply grabbed an Animal and said "you'll do"?

Today is all, you bro. You have free will, do as you please. Give today to the Lord...all your yesterday's and tomorrow's belong to him...beginning and the End!

Did God not seek Abraham's approval before destroying Sodom?No, He didn't. He did not seek Abraham's approval at all. It is very clear from the text that God had shown up in order to judge the city of Sodom. He did seek Abraham's involvement, but He certainly did not need His permission in any way. It is very clear. "17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18 seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have chosen[f (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2018&version=ESV#fen-ESV-444f)] him, that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring to Abraham what he has promised him.” 20 Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down to see whether they have done altogether[g (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2018&version=ESV#fen-ESV-446g)] according to the outcry that has come to me. And if not, I will know.”

So God was already "about to do" His will before He even spoke with Abraham.


The point is really; God needs a body. God is not going to simply take over a Body without permission. Where does the Bible say that?


What about the Serpent (why did God curse the serpent)?
When God provided coverings for Adam and Eve...what about that very first sacrifice (shedding of blood)? Do you think the Creator simply grabbed an Animal and said "you'll do"?1. How does any of that support your idea that God "needs" a body? 2. Doesn't that dispute your idea that God had no authority on the earth?

Hard to believe two adults can be debating the garden of Eden and God and Adam and Eve and serpents in the year 2022 when the story is so obviously an allegory and not to be read literally.

In any case, CHRISTIANITY or RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS would be a suitable place for your argument, not CURRENT EVENTS. I suggest somebody move it to one of those topics.

JL:
You're not getting it.
Nothing to do with "God's garden.
Adam could have slapped Eve upside the head, and prevented Eve from Conversing with the serpent.
Why didn't God stop Eve...? Why didn't God enter into a living being and communicate with Man...just as the Devil had done?

Why did God just sit idly by?
God had given Adam and Eve free will. If He stopped them from eating fruit from the forbidden tree, He would have taken away their free will and made them His puppets.

Today is all, you bro. You have free will, do as you please. Give today to the Lord...all your yesterday's and tomorrow's belong to him...beginning and the End!I would not disagree with that, but it is still not what the text I quoted is referring to.

I would have to agree with WG's observation that God allows us to exercise free will. Now how that factors into the sovereignty of God is yet another very difficult question.
See my response above. If God takes away our free will, we would be His puppets. That's what He DOESN'T want people to be!

See my response above. If God took away their free will, they would have been his puppets. That what He DOESN'T want people to be!I get what you are saying, but the opposite side of the coin, the sovereignty of God, is also a very clear teaching of the Bible. I don't really know how to resolve the issue other than to say they are both true in a way we are not able to understand.

Wifey and I, both having been vaxed and her having received the booster, both tested positive for Covid yesterday, so we are cooped up in the house until next Monday. Oh well.

I get what you are saying, but the opposite side of the coin, the sovereignty of God, is also a very clear teaching of the Bible. I don't really know how to resolve the issue other than to say they are both true in a way we are not able to understand.
Precisely, JL, especially your last six words

Myles Monroe, can explain it much better than I. If you were to take just a few minutes and listen too it?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...BD4E&FORM=VIRE


You want Doctrine. Prayer takes on a whole new meaning (for me).

Wifey and I, both having been vaxed and her having received the booster, both tested positive for Covid yesterday, so we are cooped up in the house until next Monday. Oh well.

That's comicon for you

Myles Monroe, can explain it much better than I. If you were to take just a few minutes and listen too it?
You can't post a video you found on bing (your tablet's search engine). It won't play.

You want Doctrine. Prayer takes on a whole new meaning (for me).
That makes absolutely no sense. You're comparing apples and oranges. Please rephrase.

Oops. Look up: Myles Monroe, why God didn't stop Eve.


The link I posted earlier works fine.

Oops. Look up: Myles Monroe, why God didn't stop Eve.

The link I posted earlier works fine.
His last name is Munroe, not Monroe.

I have never listened to a more inaccurate, confused and confusing lecture in my life!

Your first video says in print on a black screen, "Sorry, this video is no longer available." Plus, it too is from a bing search.

Earlier post...earlier than the one you hit.

It wasn't meant for you...allegory Girl.
I don't like the way he presented it but he had some good points on prayer and Kingdom concept, along with authority.

Why do people in a position of power lie?
Because Authority has been given to them. They have given themselves over to lies.
There will come a time (if not now) where they will believe the lies they speak.
They might have been given the authority, but they have no power.

The power comes from God's Law...the Christ.

Walter, here's the deal. If you believe something to be true, then you should be able to say, "It says so here and here and here." Pointing to an admittedly disjointed video is not a good strategy. Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe? You will note that it is that very question that is at the core of most of my exchanges here.

"You believe so and so? Oh? Why do you believe that?" It strikes me as the best question you can ask. I have been asked here why I believe in a coming judgment and hell. I reply with dozens of clear testimonies from the Bible including many from Jesus Himself. That is not always received here well, but there is no plea other than silliness such as "cherry picking", or a claim to be able to know the AUTHENTIC message of Jesus with, strangely enough, no description at all of how that person came to identify that message. I feel very safe when I can surround myself with the many testimonies of scripture.

We are a living Testimony. Surround yourself with as many testimonies as you can find...is not going to keep you from appearing before the judgment seat of Christ.

Are the things you trust real and true – or just dim reflections of something bigger?

We are a living Testimony. Surround yourself with as many testimonies as you can find...is not going to keep you from appearing before the judgment seat of Christ.True for everyone including you.

Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?

LOL - this is too good to pass up. You have NEVER said WHY you believe. You have IN EVERY CASE said "Scripture says so".


I have been asked here why I believe in a coming judgment and hell. I reply with dozens of clear testimonies from the Bible including many from Jesus Himself.

There you go again! Ah, this is FAR too good to see in his own words why he NEVER explains his belief, yet criticizes others for the very thing he does.


I feel very safe when I can surround myself with the many testimonies of scripture.

I can't stop laughing. He can't stop digging that hole deeper and deeper. ROFL.

You have NEVER said WHY you believe. You have IN EVERY CASE said "Scripture says so".Uhm..."Scripture says so" is the explanation for my beliefs. Most people catch on to that fairly quickly. It is an appeal to the authority of the Bible.

Uhm..."Scripture says so" is the explanation for my beliefs. Most people catch on to that fairly quickly. It is an appeal to the authority of the Bible.

It's obvious what people "catch on to" - that you have no explanation except "the Bible told me so". Intelligent discussion demands more than that - like WHY you believe scripture says so. Yeah, yeah, we know - God wrote the Bible.

I find it much preferable to your own explanation of, "Athos says so".


you have no explanation except "the Bible told me so".First you claim I never say why I believe, and then you admit that I do appeal to the teaching of the Bible. You need to make your mind up.

I find it much preferable to your own explanation of, "Athos says so".

I give reasons for what I post unless they are so self-evident that the reasons are obvious. I also employ rationality (logic) whenever appropriate. Internet references - you notably refuse to look there (unless, of course, you are the one posting).


First you claim I never say why I believe, and then you admit that I do appeal to the teaching of the Bible. You need to make your mind up.

Give it up. You know EXACTLY what is meant. EXACTLY! Drop the word games - you're transparent when you do that.

You still have failed to answer - WHY do you believe scripture says so?

Give it up. You know EXACTLY what is meant. EXACTLY! Drop the word games - you're transparent when you do that.Except, of course, that you cannot explain your own gaffe. Too bad. And putting "EXACTLY" in all caps does not prove anything other than an utter lack of ideas and self-control. I oftentimes wonder why you become so angry. Maybe WG can give you some counseling on that.


I give reasons for what I post unless they are so self-evident that the reasons are obvious. I also employ rationality (logic) whenever appropriate. Internet references - you notably refuse to look there (unless, of course, you are the one posting).Like I said, "Because Athos says so."

Now you are clearly welcome to that defense, but it's like I've told you many times in the past. If it comes down to accepting what Jesus said versus accepting what Athos believes, then the choice for me is obvious. You've never been raised from the dead, or even had to courage to state your own belief about the resurrection.

If it comes down to accepting what Jesus said versus accepting what Athos believes, then the choice for me is obvious. You've never been raised from the dead, or even had to courage to state your own belief about the resurrection.

Your comments have been done to death. They have been rebutted again and again and AGAIN!

Please continue to your heart's content.

Meanwhile, we're waiting for you to explain why you believe scripture says so. Try to stick to the point. I understand that it's a tough question to answer. But not answering doesn't improve your position.

Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?Because he lives!

Because I know, know, know he holds the future...because he lives.

Now shut it (the two of you)!

God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.

Meanwhile, we're waiting for you to explain why you believe scripture says so. Try to stick to the point. I understand that it's a tough question to answer. But not answering doesn't improve your position.You mean in the same manner you have done in answering if you believe in the resurrection? Like that? Is that what you mean?


They have been rebutted again and again and AGAIN!That's true as long as "again and again" works out to none at all.

You mean in the same manner you have done


I mean like this - Why do you believe scripture says so?

Do you know WHY you believe WHAT you believe?Because he lives!

Because I know, know, know he holds the future...because he lives.

Now shut it (the two of you)!

God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.

Just in case you didn't hear me the first time

I mean like this - Why do you believe scripture says so?You have yet to summon the courage to answer the question about the resurrection, so you lose all authority to question why others have not answered all of your questions. The resurrection question has been on the table for more than a year now. Time for an answer.

QUOTE]Just in case you didn't hear me the first time

Walter, no offense, but nobody takes you seriously, even your co-religionist.


You have yet to summon the courage to answer the question about the resurrection, so you lose all authority to question why others have not answered all of your questions. The resurrection question has been on the table for more than a year now. Time for an answer.

Nice try, but fail. WHY do you believe scripture says so?

God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.Walter, to make such a claim, you will need scriptural support. You plainly do not have any. The only sense I can make of your statement is if you are referring to what Jesus did on the cross.


Nice try, but fail. WHY do you believe scripture says so?And do you believe in the resurrection? You have consistently refused to answer that question for more than a year. Time to strap on some courage and go for it!! It is, after all, THE primary question of the NT. “And if Christ has not been raised… your faith is in vain… Your faith is futile and you are still in your sins… If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied."

God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
God incorporated Sin In order to destroy Sin.

Okay, now that you have this...read the Bible in its entirety and see what you come up with.
You should be able to pick up on this in The first three chapters.

Did God give man Authority? Did man not bruise the head? Is man not Sin? Did a man not defeat Sin and the power of Sin?

God gave man all Authority over his creation. In order that Man would destroy Sin.
God incorporated Sin to destroy Sin.

Okay, now that you have this...read the Bible in its entirety and see what you come up with.
You should be able to pick up on this in The first three chapters.
I have read the entire Bible more than once, have been a student in and led Bible study groups more times than you can imagine. I graduated from a Christian college and taught in a Christian school.

In Genesis 3, God gave mankind free will so they wouldn't be His puppets. Thus, they could choose to do good or evil.

God did not give man authority to destroy sin. He gave Jesus that task. God incorporated (made flesh) His Son (not Sin) to destroy Sin.

God did not give man authority to destroy sin.. Not even close to what was stated. nice try. Try again...God said let them have Dominion and Authority.
He did not say let us have!

Jesus became Sin.

Get off your man made doctrine for one sec.

I'm on a small tablet. I can't see too good. I'll simply leave it at that.
Authority was given. The bruising of the head. Jesus being made Sin. A man (human flesh) defeating death and the power of Sin. Resurrected, King of All creation! His kingdom reigns forever. The kingdoms of this world will pass away. Jesus has that same Authority that God gave man...why? Not because Jesus is God, but Because Jesus is Man.


You wanted scripture, it is backed by scripture. Its easy enough for you to look it up.

. Not even close to what was stated. nice try. Try again...God said let them have Dominion and Authority.
He did not say let us have!
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Authority was given. The bruising of the head. Jesus being made Sin. A man (human flesh) defeating death and the power of Sin.
You are misunderstanding this.

"Sin” is the term that the Jews used for sin offerings.

Christ, who is sinless, was made our sin offering. So Paul’s not calling Christ evil. That’s crucial. Sin is evil, and so calling Christ “sin” (in the way we use the word) would be calling Him evil, an obvious heresy (particularly since Paul just said that Christ is sinless). Calling Him our sin offering, on the other hand, is completely orthodox. Christ died for our sins: that’s the foundation of Christian theology.
http://shamelesspopery.com/jesus-became-sin/

Okay, now that you have this...read the Bible in its entirety and see what you come up with.
You should be able to pick up on this in The first three chapters.Walter, surely you realize that is the weakest response you could have made? It amounts to, "Oh, just read the whole Bible and you'll see it in there somewhere!!" Pretty bad.

It is one thing to say God gave man authority. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. It's entirely different to say God gave up all of HIS authority in doing so. Genesis 3 makes it very plain that your idea there is not true.

Your understanding of it is wrong. It does not need be backed up by scripture...it need be backed up by the Holy Spirit.
It's not all that important that you see it but it might Bring a person closer too "Kingdom awareness.

Realise we don't belong to any of the kingdoms of this world. We belong to a kingdom that is not of this world.
Christians understand that statement much the same way as when Jesus said it...they haven't A clue.

Power, Authority, Law, Culture...its all included In the Kingdom of God.
Man giving his Authority (Flesh been given all Authority), so that Heaven on earth.

Otherwise God just came Down, exerted his Authority and said - here's how it gonna be boyz!

You don’t need scripture? Well…ok then. At least you have made that view plain.

you don't need the Holy Spirit? Well...ok then. (Touche!)

Scripture is useless without the Holy Spirit.
Debating scripture against scripture is futile.

Who said God had to give up his Authority? God Gave Authority to man...AKA Jesus???
God knew what he was doing.

We all need the Holy Spirit. I’ve never said otherwise. You have just said, however, that you do not need the Bible to support your views. That’s all yours

I'm not sure what it is with you and WG?

You have a practice of distorting certain statements?
Take another looksie. That's not at all what I said.

If I mention -God gave man Authority - that is strait out of Scripture. I need quote, verbatim, text and verse?
The Holy spirit speaks - and if I repeat...I need backed by scripture? Yes maybe it does need be backed by scripture. God said: "Let us make man in our image." Is that right out of the Bible or is it the Holy spirit speaking to you? You need backed by scripture? fact is, if I'm talking to a fellow believer, they should know that that comes right out of the Bible. If I'm speaking with a non believer they could care less what chapter and verse. But yes, I get what your saying. It just seems so simple, I thought you might pick up on it right away. WG is another story. I could quote (not me personally) chapter and verse and it will still draw a blank.

Example: God gave man Authority - where do you get that, better back it up with scripture. -
God gave them Authority! Wait wait, I need verse and book. I can't debate with you. I can't teach you. You need the Holy spirit in order to gain understanding.

You say everything need be backed up with scripture. That's why I see you constantly going round and round with no real understanding that a person need the Holy Spirit. You've been arguing for how many yrs? It is useless to argue with somebody who only picks up Bible verses for the use of Doctrine/debate.

Christians believe that prayer is going to get this country out of the mess, the mess they created.
2 Cronicles 7:14 is the only (remedy) way this Country/Church will come out of this.

“It does not need to be backed up by scripture.” That is your quote. Perhaps you meant to say something else.

I was referring to your understanding of it. You seem to believe, if it is backed up by scripture...if I can show my understanding as plain. As day...in the scripture, you would believe?
I did back it up with scripture (I didn't indicate chapter and verse) and it was rendered irrelevant...foul, foul you didn't mention chapter and verse.

In as much as you have backed it up with scripture - Our good friends - Still haven't a clue?
Its okay to simply Speak the Word, backed up by the Holy Spirit...is better...its a start?

Actions speak louder than Words.

The only appeal to the Bible you made were vague references which included an admonition to read the entire Bible. I can only say that if you have Scripture to validate your views, then bring them forward. I'd love to see them.

Its okay to simply Speak the Word, backed up by the Holy Spirit, is better.
But you haven't done either one! You've simply twisted words and meanings according to your own (very strange) understanding.

I was referring to your understanding of it. You seem to believe, if it is backed up by scripture...if I can show my understanding as plain. As day...in the scripture, you would believe?
I did back it up with scripture (I didn't indicate chapter and verse) and it was rendered irrelevant...foul, foul you didn't mention chapter and verse.

In as much as you have backed it up with scripture - Our good friends - Still haven't a clue?
Its okay to simply Speak the Word, backed up by the Holy Spirit...is better...its a start?

Actions speak louder than Words.

I don't think you're getting through. Your opposition is basically a book. You seem to be very much in the spirit of things, not just the words in a book as valuable as that may be. It's still a step removed from the Spirit.

I don't pretend to understand you, but you do make for interesting reading.

@WG: yah, isn't that what we all do. If not that we simply turn it into an allegory.

We know that God gave "Man authority and dominion (Sovereign Authority), over the Earth...we know God told Saten that the Woman would kick his arse . We know it is written: He became Sin.
We know he is King. We know he has all Authority. We know his Resurrection. We know Sin has been defeated.
We know heaven (along with the big man himself) will be on Earth. Pray for the truth to be revealed to you.
You seem to be hung up on the fact that God having relinquish his Authority over to man? Egypt, Pharaoh, Joseph? God simply gave Authority to Jesus/Man...hmm, maybe I'd better find that and post it...daaaah

God didn't interfere with Eve's conversation (Adam might have) with the Serpent. God did not have the Authority to do so...Adam did. Adam never gave the fruit to anybody...yet God went strait to Adam. It was Adams responsibility. Why would God Curse the Serpent? The Serpent allowed the Devil to take possession of his body? Why is Jesus called the lamb of God...maybe because of that first Lamb (the one that gave his life so that God could provide coverings for their Sin)?

@Athos: We know that when God speaks things happen. It will happen - just as God uttered it.
It's like when Jesus told Mathew "Come follow me." You might think Mathew had a choice...there was no choice. it came Directly out of the mouth of God. I don't fully understand the relation between the Word of God and the speaking of the Word of God. But I know there is Power in the Word...just a matter of speaking it...knowing it...believing it...giving yourself over too it?

It's duh, not daaaah.

(And it IS an allegory, as is the Tower of Babel story, Jonah and the Great Fish story, and the Flood story.)

And it IS an allegoryThere is no compelling reason to believe that. The authors of the NT took it as basically literal. "If we had no other means by which to determine whether Genesis is myth or history, the New Testament alone is ample proof. Depending on how one calculates the material, the New Testament has at least 60 allusions to Genesis 1-11, with over 100 allusions to the entire book.7 (https://apologeticspress.org/genesis-myth-or-history-5793/#_edn7) Jesus and the writers of the New Testament consistently treated Genesis as literal history. As a matter of fact, every New Testament author refers to Genesis, and nearly every New Testament book does as well. Their handling of the Genesis text demonstrates that they considered the events to have actually occurred, rather than being mythical or legendary folklore that merely contains useful lessons." https://apologeticspress.org/genesis-myth-or-history-5793/#:~:text=Depending%20on%20how%20one%20calculates%2 0the%20material%2C%20the,New%20Testament%20consist ently%20treated%20Genesis%20as%20literal%20history .

But a person has to make his or her own decision regarding that. It is in the person and ministry of Christ that we take our basic stand. "Whosoever believeth in Him..." is still the lynchpin and glory of the Gospel message.

I prefer daaah. Its not full on duh, its halfwit daaah.

In fact God said; "When you eat of it you will surely die."

It was as good as eaten right then and their.

In fact God said; "When you eat of it you will surely die."Sure sounds a lot like authority being exercised to me.

Prophecy?

Your missing the point.

Its the power of the Word. God gives man the Authority to speak.
When you allow God to speak through you, there is Power. Its the same as God speaking.

And prophecy REQUIRES authority.

But I still think we can agree on John 3:16.

“
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
Main Points For/so: These are link words expanding or explaining something that was said earlier. Context: We need to look at the preceeding verses 14 and 15. “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.” This refers to an event in Numbers 21:4-9. God was angry with the Israelites because of their sin of ingratitude. So God sent poisonous snakes which killed many of them. So they cried out to God. God refused to take the snakes away but told Moses to erect a bronze snake on a pole so that when the people who had been bitten looked at the snake they would not die. God provided a way of escape. Thus, in the same way . . . . . . v 16. Loved: past tense. (Not “loves”) Agape love – a love of action, that responds to a need

What's your take on this?

Just as the serpent was strictly an issue of obedient faith, so salvation now is a matter of obedient faith. So it still comes down to, "whosoever believeth in Him."

What about the love? Where's the Love...does God not Soooo love the World?
We tend to focus more on the love, and lose sight of the Cross.

Christ crucified, speaks much more about "The love of God" then Pointing out John 3:16 as a love verse.
This might speak about what we were talking about earlier. Speaking the Word of God without having to point out any reference verses? A non believer will never understand Gods love by pointing out chapter and verse. Yup, here it is...John 3:16 See It...it says right here; God Soooo loves you! Oh yah, that's Jesus on the cross, no worries bro, God still loves you. Yup, welcome, welcome welcome to our Church. Come come on in, God loves you...not knowing if they know that or even care. so what brings you to our church - you promised me a muffin and a meal ...you need to be seeking the cross in order to learn of the love God has for you.

God's love IS the cross.

Christ crucified, speaks much more about "The love of God" then Pointing out John 3:16 as a love verse.Who pointed out John 3:16 as a love verse? The rest of your reply is just material that you cooked up yourself from who knows where. My emphasis was on the belief aspect which directly lifts up and glorifies Jesus as the source of all the goodness and mercy of God and identifies Him as the one and only necessary source of true salvation. Please stop using your inventive imagination to misrepresent what others here are saying. Not trying to be ugly but it would be helpful if you would try being a great deal more attentive and reply to what is actually stated.


When you allow God to speak through you, there is Power. Its the same as God speaking.That's OK as long as we understand that no man speaks with the authority of Scripture. That's why Paul warned us in 1 Thessalonians, " Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. " It is never necessary to "test" the Scriptures, but it is always necessary to test prophetic statements.

Why do people in authority (politicians, clergy, educators, et al.) lie?
since this is a biblical discussion
est veritas?(John 18:38)

est veritas?(John 18:38)Perhaps even more to the point, "Quid est verum?"

my Latin is a bit rusty

Mine is non-existent. I used an online help to translate, "What is true?" as opposed to "truth".

Mine was literally ' is truth ?' 'What is truth ? ' is the correct English translation . I've never been sure if it was a mocking question or if Pilate was having trouble because of relativism

Who pointed out John 3:16 as a love verse? Are you kidding? (This goes back to an earlier thread) Its the go-to place (verse) when declaring the Gospel (in today's world)...Spreading the love of God, by the Power of the "Word." Not at all backed up by the Holy Spirit...Backed by Scripture, only...this is what you get -no understanding of God's love. Just a belief system, A religious understanding.

Example: let me tell you about Gods love, ill back it up with scripture -John 3:16. Now let me tell you about myself, I'll back it up with Scripture...it is all empty pages without the Holy Spirit.

Using Scripture is not a thing (to an unbeliever) when discussing God's love. If it was then all's need be done is point out (which many do) John 3:16, and be on your way. If they don't accept it, that's on them. You've done your part. After all that is what the Bible says...I'm Backed by scripture, not by my mouth or what comes out of my mouth or actions, all I need know, is scripture and where to find it...I'm backed by scripture and that is everything to me!

It's nice to be backed up by scripture but it is not everything. A person might find himself depending on Scripture more than The Word...the living Word...Not ever becoming aware of a potential problem or defect. You don't need to debate or discus the Word of a King...unlike the kingdom in which we now belong too.. The Kingdom of heaven is not a Democrecy.




Note:
Jesus being tried in the proper court was a must...the proper Authority? The religious Court (God) had not been given the Authority...God set it up that way. Human authority Decreed him guilty. That (Man had the Authority, going in for the kill) and the fact that God (speaks) said; Curse is the One who Hangs on a Tree. This is a court room, and we have a cell waiting for us. It is all about legality -Authority, Laws, judgement, testimony, justification etc.

God gave Authority to man, God gave Laws. God will not break his word. God will not interfear without having the Legal right to do so...isn't it Amazing that Jesus showed up on the scene. That God is King and has gone through the proper channels in order to become Man and Lord of all creation!

Who says God is too big to be part of his creation...and if he was ever part of his creation then he is no God???

I've often wondered as well what Pilate's point was. He was replying to the contention of Christ that, "Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”

38 (http://biblehub.com/john/18-38.htm)Pilate said to him, “What is truth?” Perhaps his question was serious. Life did not turn out well for poor Pilate.

Spreading the love of God, by the Power of the "Word." Not at all backed up by the Holy Spirit...Backed by Scripture, only...this is what you get -no understanding of God's love. Just a belief system, A religious understanding.

Wow, Waltero, I'm starting to understand you. I've been saying the same thing - in different words. Belief is a part of it, just not all of it.


Now let me tell you about myself, I'll back it up with Scripture...it is all empty pages without the Holy Spirit.

I'm listening.


Using Scripture is not a thing (to an unbeliever) when discussing God's love. If it was then all's need be done is point out (which many do) John 3:16, and be on your way. If they don't accept it, that's on them. You've done your part. After all that is what the Bible says...I'm Backed by scripture, not by my mouth or what comes out of my mouth or actions, all I need know, is scripture and where to find it...I'm backed by scripture and that is everything to me!

You are saying it far better than I ever did. I'm humbled by your insights.


It's nice to be backed up by scripture but it is not everything. A person might find himself depending on Scripture more than The Word.

EXACTLY! Let those who have ears hear.

It's nice to be backed up by scriptureIf it's only "nice", then the problem becomes evident.


A person might find himself depending on Scripture more than The Word.I have found that people usually make such comments when they have beliefs not really supported by the Bible.

I'm starting to understand you.
Ah, errr, wait a minute - this wasn't suppose to happen? Should I be worried?

@JL: The Bible should tell you more about yourself than anything else...it is you that is in "this book.
Example: Tell me a little about yourself...backed by scripture!

Let your word "Live in me, oh God!

Why do you think the Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus - by what Authority do you do these?
What was Jesus answer??? (backed by scripture?)

@JL: The Bible should tell you more about yourself than anything else.Why do you believe that?


Why do you think the Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus - by what Authority do you do these?
What was Jesus answer??? (backed by scripture?)He appealed to John the Baptist, who himself had been prophecied...by Scripture.

.Ah, errr, wait a minute - this wasn't suppose to happen? Should I be worried?

LOL - good question!


The Bible should tell you more about yourself than anything else...it is you that is in "this book.

You're on a roll, W.

I once read a book about what the author called "theology". They were simple stories about God and how people reacted to God. In the preface, he advised the reader to see himself in the stories, not someone else. I think you're saying something similar.


Let your word "Live in me, oh God!

Yearning like the Psalmist.

It's a simple equation. When a person wants to believe whatever he/she wants to believe, then that person will cut loose from any objective standard as much as possible.