Cirsten Weldon died of Covid. She was dead set against the vaccination and suffered greatly because of it. A conspiracy borne out of QAnon has its members increasingly viewing vaccination as part of a diabolical plot by the “deep state” to enslave humanity.

Christmas before last, a pharmacist attempted to destroy more than 500 doses of Moderna vaccine, because QAnon had told him the drug would “alter the recipient’s DNA.”

Veronica Wolski an outspoken anti-vaxxer whose life was governed by QAnon fantasy, died of Covid after cult members spent weeks trying to bully the hospital into giving her the unproven drug ivermectin.

Another who wrote on Instagram, “The smartest virus ever… It doesn’t affect those who don’t believe in it,” died only a few weeks later.

Doug Kuzma, another QAnon full-blown anti-vaxxer died from complications due to COVID-19.

Radio hosts, Bob Enyart, Phil Valentine, Marc Bernier and Farrel, including conspiracy theorist Robert David Steele who boasted of being the first person to call the pandemic a hoax, GOP leader Pressley Stutts, and anti-vaxxer activist Caleb Wallace, all used their platforms to promote bulls**t about the virus, masks and the vaccines, and all were seriously kicked into the next universe shortly after. They’re all dead.

And now, Weldon, who said that Dr Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, “needs to be hung from a rope”, is also dead.

As a last tribute to her, some of Weldon's QAnon members threatened a violent retaliation against the hospital staff who treated her. One idiot, Scott McKay, who is known as “Patriot Streetfighter” online, said the medical staff should be sentenced to death by military tribunal, lest they be killed in the street by vigilantes. “If it’s not done in a military tribunal then it’s going to be done in the street eventually and not to my wishes,” McKay wrote. “That’s my greatest fear. But if it’s necessary, it’s going to be necessary.”

And frankly, by their own beliefs, they’re cleaning up this dangerous cult of desperately confused adults themselves. These people who are refusing to take the medication in favour of fantasy, well, that has just become my favorite form of natural selection. Let it be.

Various sources.

Let them establish their own treatment centers.

And, btw, I bet every single one, when a baby, was vaxxed (MMR, chickenpops as we called it, DTaP, polio, et al.).

Still believing all this one trick pony stuff ? What we know is that it doesn't prevent getting covid and it doesn't prevent transmitting it . On top of that ;unless you subject to being a pin cushion forever than whatever protections it has lasts only a few months . Meanwhile the long term effects of the vax is unknown because they only went through precursory trials before being released under emergency authorization.

The government is so hung up on the vax being the only alternative that they neglected rapid testing and have pretty much ignored therapeutic solutions .


And, btw, I bet every single one, when a baby, was vaxxed (MMR, chickenpops as we called it, DTaP, polio, et al.).

because there was eradication. No such thing with the covid vax . The covid vax eradicates nada

What we know is that it doesn't prevent getting covid

Of course, it prevents covid. Where in the world are you getting your information from? It's about 95% effective.

Please explain why 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are among the UNvaccinated.

Do you really hate the government so much even when it is clearly saving lives on a grand scale?

Isn't claiming 95% effectiveness an open admission that it does not always work? At any rate, it is not as effective against the Omicron variant. According to the Mayo Clinic, "It’s expected that people who are fully vaccinated likely can get breakthrough infections and spread the virus to others. However, the COVID-19 vaccines are expected to be effective at preventing severe illness. This variant also reduces the effectiveness of some monoclonal antibody treatments."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859

ummm breakthrough cases have been well documented . The best you can say is that there is less chance of severe infection with the vaccine . I'm not even sure that is true with Omicron.

The hospitalization comment is a dodge that Peppermint Patty Psaki used when called out about the vaxed still getting covid (Psaki was triple vaxed and still got it )
It comes down to the demonization of the unVaxed that Clueless Joe ('pandemic of the unvaccinated )' and this posting suggests . Joe needs a scapegoat for his failure to "kill the virus " .

ummm breakthrough cases have been well documented . The best you can say is that there is less chance of severe infection with the vaccine . I'm not even sure that is true with Omicron.

The hospitalization comment is a dodge that Peppermint Patty Psaki used when called out about the vaxed still getting covid (Psaki was triple vaxed and still got it )
It comes down to the demonization of the unVaxed that Clueless Joe ('pandemic of the unvaccinated )' and this posting suggests . Joe needs a scapegoat for his failure to "kill the virus " .


You still haven't explained how the almost 100% of severe illness is among the unvaccinated. Try as you may, you can't escape that basic fact. One wonders why you try. Imo, hatred of all things government is the key to understanding the anti-vaxxers.

The question then becomes WHY is the government so hated?

Although no remaining unimmunized individual can be said to be free of risk from the infectious disease, the herd effect generated from high immunization rates significantly reduces the risk for disease for those individuals. Additional benefit is conferred on the unimmunized person because avoidance of the vaccine avoids the risk for any adverse reactions associated with the vaccine. As disease rates drop, the risks associated with the vaccine come even more to the fore, providing further incentive to avoid immunization. Thus, when an individual in this common chooses to go unimmunized, it only minimally increases the risk of illness for that individual, while conferring on that person the benefit of avoiding the risk of vaccine induced side effects.

Chapter 13 - Vaccination Mandates: The Public Health Imperative and Individual Rights - (cdc.gov) (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf)


Where was the link ? On the CDC website,
State Vaccination Requirements Selected References | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/state-reqs-refs.html)

And we know that the two doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection, if any. The three doses, with the booster, they offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths

Those are the words of Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla . He recognizes that covid is like the flu in that there is not one shot for all . The effectiveness of the vax is in getting the strain of the virus right and the repeated ad nauseum booster shot . That is the future with the virus ......new strains with more and more people developing immunity .

Although no remaining unimmunized individual can be said to be free of risk from the infectious disease, the herd effect generated from high immunization rates significantly reduces the risk for disease for those individuals.Isn't he basically saying that the unvaxed owe their increased protection from Covid to those who chose to be vaxxed?


Early returns seem to show that the Omicron outbreak produces large numbers of cases without increasing the death rate, so the chance of survival is enormously increased.

https://www.bing.com/search?PC=MQ03&q=covid+infection+rates&FORM=MQ03DF

Whether they do or not is not a public concern but a private one .

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said the vaccine did the job with Delta as far as reducing severe cases . But it did not prevent transmission ;which would be the public concern.

CDC Director: Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_s preading_covid.html)

So when does it become a public concern that requires a public mandate ? When someone is over weight or smokes ? That taxes the system too.

I also don't understand the difference between UK numbers and those claimed here .

Nearly 75% of UK Covid Deaths Were Vaxxed, Govt Data Shows - [your]NEWS (yournews.com) (https://yournews.com/2022/01/10/2279367/nearly-75-of-uk-covid-deaths-were-vaxxed-govt-data/)

Are the books being cooked to support a narrative? Oh yeah that's right .If I question the narrative I and either anti-science or hate the government .

If I question the narrative I and either anti-science or hate the government .

Yes, correct! You are definitely either anti-science or hate the government.

There's also the possibility you have an interest in the companies producing vaccines so you claim the vaccines will be needed ad infinitum. But I doubt that.

What you need to do is explain why the UNvaccinated are being hospitalized and dying almost without exception compared to those vaccinated. It's a simple fact you seem unwilling to accept. Hence, guessing at your reasons why - science and/or government.

you see the UK numbers I posted ? How can theirs be so different from ours ?

you see the UK numbers I posted ? How can theirs be so different from ours ?

That is NOT an explanation of the US numbers.

you see the UK numbers I posted ? How can theirs be so different from ours ?





Sure would appear to be a logical question.

It sure seems that if you are suspicious of the BIDEN government, then you are a hater and anti-science. If, however, you are a constant questioner of everything Trump, then you are a patriot and an asset to the country. So if you question COVID data or the validity of the last election, you are a hater, but if you suspect Trump was directly involved in the 1/6 riots, then you love your country and are committed to honest debate.

if you question COVID data or the validity of the last election, you are a hater,


There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.

There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.You do realize you are describing yourself?

Hey Tom, did you vet your sources?

https://www.apollo.io/companies/yourNEWS-Media-Group-Inc--LLC/5e581e1188fb67000123ba1c?chart=count

Hey Tom, did you vet your sources?


LOL.

Tomder's source isn't understanding the stats. Here's an explanation from the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548

Another way of looking at it is this: say all the people are vaccinated and 5 (elderly 60+) get Covid and die. The death rate among the vaccinated is 100%.

Data from 8 to 12 months ago would not include the omicron variant. The news from that front is not nearly so rosy.


4. What about the omicron variant? The preliminary data about omicron and vaccines is coming in quickly and is revealing lower vaccine effectiveness. Best estimates suggest vaccines are around 30%-40% effective at preventing infections and 70% effective at preventing severe disease.

A preprint study – one not formally reviewed by other scientists yet – that was conducted in Germany found that antibodies in blood collected from people fully vaccinated with Moderna and Pfizer showed reduced efficacy in neutralizing the omicron variant. Other small preprint studies in South Africa and England showed a significant decrease in how well antibodies target the omicron variant. More breakthough infections are expected, with decreased immune system ability to recognize omicron compared with other variants.

5. Do boosters boost immunity against omicron?
Initial data reinforces that a third dose would help boost immune response and protection against omicron, with estimates of 70%-75% effectiveness.
Pfizer has reported that people who have received two doses of its vaccine are susceptible to infection from omicron, but that a third shot improves antibody activity against the virus. This was based on lab experiments using the blood of people who have received the vaccine.One way or the other, it still remains true that a person who declines to take the vaccine only puts him/herself at risk, assuming those they come in contact with have been vaxed and the vax is effective. I've taken the vaccine and would recommend others do so as well, but to mandate it? Can't go that far.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-effective-are-covid-19-vaccines-against-omicron

Blacks and vaccine hesitancy:

"While Black people have experienced much higher burdens from Covid-19 despite contracting the disease at a similar rate to whites, they have been disproportionately vaccinated at lower rates than white people. 'Access matters and it matters a lot,' Gary Bennett (Professor of Psychology, Neuroscience, Global Health, and Medicine at Duke, as well as director of Duke Digital Health and Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education) said. One clear example of decreased access for Black Americans is that fewer vaccination sites are located in areas with high concentrations of Black people.

However, Bennett said that access does not simply equal place. 'How much friction are you creating in this process?' he prompted, pointing to examples of complicated registration systems, inadequate public transportation to vaccine sites, or overall distance from a location. All of these factors already limit who is able to access vaccinations without the added influences of reduced vaccine uptake due to vaccine hesitancy."
https://researchblog.duke.edu/2021/0...than-mistrust/ (https://researchblog.duke.edu/2021/04/08/black-americans-vaccine-hesitancy-is-grounded-by-more-than-mistrust/)

Blacks and vaccine hesitancy:

This is an excellent report, but did you mean to post it in the thread titled "Trump's Latest Big Lie"? That was about Trump's statement of whites being designated to die based on race. I will copy it over there for you.

I had posted it there and then moved it here.

Guess I'm too slow....

statement of whites being designated to die based on race.Except, of course, that he never said that. You can infer that if you wish, but it's not what he said.

I had posted it there and then moved it here.

Guess I'm too slow....

No harm done. Having it in two places is twice as effective.

“The left is now rationing life-saving therapeutics based on race, discriminating against and denigrating, just denigrating white people to determine who lives and who dies,” Trump said.

He says these things to ensure the white supremacist people will continue to support him. No dog whistle was needed for the crowd he was addressing the statement to - both in person racists and elsewhere.

The virtue signalling and open hatred and contempt against those who choose to not vaccinate demonstrated in the OP is actually mild to some of the draconian actions some of the Dems would take according to Rasmussen.

COVID-19: Democratic Voters Support Harsh Measures Against Unvaccinated - Rasmussen Reports® (https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated)
48 percent think the government should be able to fine or imprison individuals “who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”
47 percent think the government should be able to put a tracking system, like an ankle monitor or a locked collar, on people who refuse the vaccine.45 percent favor putting the unvaccinated in camps.55 percent think people who refuse the vaccine should be fined. 59 percent favor confining all unvaccinated people to their homes.29 percent think that the government should be able to confiscate the children of unvaccinated parents.

29 percent think that the government should be able to confiscate the children of unvaccinated parents.Hard to imagine such a thing.

Those are pretty wild solutions. Guess all the nuts ain't on the right. Let me know when white people are actually denied any meds or services though. Until then it's just noise by those that love running in circles and hollering and screaming about their rights.

Guess all the nuts ain't on the right Allow me to commend you for that agreement. There are loons on both sides.


Until then it's just noise by those that love running in circles and hollering and screaming about their rights.It's based on government documents that plainly say the decisions for Covid treatments will be influenced by race.

Is there something wrong with people wanting their rights?

Is there something wrong with people wanting their rights?
I have a number of friends in Texas and Oklahoma who tell me the general populace says vaxing is stupid and useless.

Not sure what your point is.

Not sure what your point is.
The general populace in those two states is Republican.

I still don't know what your point is. If the general populace is repub, then do they not have a right to pursue their rights?

The general populace of Chicago is liberal dem. Do they not have a right to pursue their rights because of that?

I still don't know what your point is. If the general populace is repub, then do they not have a right to pursue their rights?
Their rights: no vaccinations.

The general populace of Chicago is liberal dem. Do they not have a right to pursue their rights because of that?
Why do you mention Chicago? I don't live in that city.

Their rights: vaccinations.

Why did you mention Texas? I don't live in Texas. I lived there at one time and found the people to be amazingly responsible and hard working.

Why did you mention Texas? I don't live in Texas. I lived there at one time and found the people to be amazingly responsible and hard working.
I didn't connect you and Texas. My post was generic; yours was not. Yes, they are hardworkers but not very responsible when it comes to pandemic healthcare.

And you know that how? Is it just based on what a few friends said about a miniscule portion of the population of Texas?

COVID-19: Democratic Voters Support Harsh Measures Against Unvaccinated - Rasmussen Reports® (https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated)
48 percent think the government should be able to fine or imprison individuals “who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”
47 percent think the government should be able to put a tracking system, like an ankle monitor or a locked collar, on people who refuse the vaccine.45 percent favor putting the unvaccinated in camps.55 percent think people who refuse the vaccine should be fined. 59 percent favor confining all unvaccinated people to their homes.29 percent think that the government should be able to confiscate the children of unvaccinated parents.

Rasmussen is highly suspect for whatever they claim they polled. Always been so.

Overall, we rate Rasmussen Reports Right-Center biased based on polling that tends to slightly favor the right and High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rasmussen-reports/

Rasmussen is highly suspect for whatever they claim they polled. Always been so.

Rasmussen is in fact the most accurate polling operation because they poll likely voters as opposed to the others that poll registered voters . Besides you know you agree with all those Dem sentiments

Rasmussen is in fact the most accurate polling operation because they poll likely voters as opposed to the others that poll registered voters .

Rasmussen is known to be the weakest poller. It is rated as on the right side of the spectrum. For a polling organization, that is not good. Polling organizations should be as neutral as possible. That is also why their fact-checking ratings are insignificant - they don't deal in facts, just opinions.


Besides you know you agree with all those Dem sentiments

You have no idea what I agree with or not. I am a center-right independent and was once a Republican who has been disgusted with the Republican Party since its infamous impeachment of Clinton because of his private sex life. Who wouldn't lie about that?

Bush II moved me to the center, and the ego-driven madman Trump finalized my departure from all things Republican. Their complete downfall occurred for all to see on January 6 and ongoing. It's a sad time for American politics and for its (small d) democratic institutions.

Strange deal. Clinton lied but that’s OK. Trump exaggerated the truth and that’s worth having a fit over.

Clinton lied
How?

Trump exaggerated the truth
In what way?

How?He got in front of a camera and lied about ML. He also lied to a grand jury about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMu-2tXfPQI


In what way?Go back and read what's already been written. I don't care to have to repeat it.

Rasmussen is known to be the weakest poller. It is rated as on the right side of the spectrum. For a polling organization, that is not good. Polling organizations should be as neutral as possible. That is also why their fact-checking ratings are insignificant - they don't deal in facts, just opinions.



According to left leaning "fact checkers"



You have no idea what I agree with or not. I am a center-right independent and was once a Republican who has been disgusted with the Republican Party since its infamous impeachment of Clinton because of his private sex life. Who wouldn't lie about that?


Bush II moved me to the center, and the ego-driven madman Trump finalized my departure from all things Republican. Their complete downfall occurred for all to see on January 6 and ongoing. It's a sad time for American politics and for its (small d) democratic institutions.

My epiphany came when I realized the Dems wanted to pick my pockets to give to someone else.

Bubba committed crimes that he was punished for . He was disbarred in a plea deal he made on his last day in office. However ,I agree that impeachment has been historically used in this country as political theater of the absurd .

infamous impeachment of Clinton because of his private sex life. Who wouldn't lie about that?He was not impeached because of his sex life. He was impeached for lying to a grand jury and obstruction of justice. Even worse, in my view, was the determined effort by the Clinton admin to practically crucify Lewinski in trying to make it appear SHE was lying when they knew all along she was telling the truth. If she had not had the good sense to hold on to a dress with semen stains on it they would have succeeded. It was one of the scummiest episodes in White House history. And that's not to say that Lewinski was an angel of some sort, but Clinton's treatment of her was disgraceful. And that does not include the Paula Jones episode which Clinton was forced to settle out of court for nearly a million dollars.

On a similarly atrocious scale was the comment made by James Carville. “Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find." This comment was either made in reference to Paula Jones or Gennifer Flowers. Either way it was a terribly insulting comment and anti-female.


Who wouldn't lie about their sex life? People who have nothing to be ashamed of would not lie. People who are not guilty would not lie. People who believe in basic honesty would not lie.

The charges are on record for all to see . Perjury for lying to a grand jury ;and for obstruction of justice. Perjury for lying in deposition and for lying to Congress was also considered but did not make the formal impeachment charges .

lying to a grand jury

To repeat: He lied about his private sex life. He lied to protect his privacy. Who wouldn't lie for that?

If that upsets you, why didn't the Republicans impeach Trump for the literally thousands of lies he told and which served to split the country and jeopardize its international reputation, not to speak of the hundreds of thousands of American deaths he is indirectly responsible for re his denial of the pandemic in early 2020?

He lied to protect his privacyWhen he tried to basically hang ML out to dry, then he lost all basic sense of character. He lied to protect his political arse. Don't kid yourself. And when you lie to a grand jury, and then you engage in obstruction of justice, then your motives are just so much nonsense.

Should he have been impeached? That's a different question.

To repeat: He lied about his private sex life. He lied to protect his privacy. Who wouldn't lie for that? I thought you liked perjury traps . But not only did he lie . He convinced ML to lie . As a pay back he sent Vernon Jordan to her to secure her a job ;which he did at Revlon. Revlon must've been the place where the Clintoons laundered their problems. Jordan was the cleaner . He also got Webb Hubbell a $60,000 retainer at Revlon when he was being pursued as a witness in the Whitewater scandal that preceded the ML scandal. Ken Starr was investigating Whitewater when the ML story broke.

Bubba was never embarrassed about his sexual escapades because he always got away with them to this day.

But not only did he lie . He convinced ML to lie . As a pay back he sent Vernon Jordan to her to secure her a job ;which he did at Revlon. Revlon must've been the place where the Clintoons laundered their problems. Jordan was the cleaner . He also got Webb Hubbell a $60,000 retainer at Revlon when he was being pursued as a witness in the Whitewater scandal that preceded the ML scandal. Ken Starr was investigating Whitewater when the ML story broke.

None of this compares remotely to the behavior of Trump.

None of this compares remotely to the behavior of Trump.Exactly correct. Trump had good reason to say what he said as has been documented here. In addition, Trump was not trying to destroy someone's life as BC was doing.

Here's Clinton's own admission to lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEmjwR0Rs20

Here is the blatant lie spoken to the American people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMu-2tXfPQI

The Queen is making randy Andy pay for his private sex life .
Prince Andrew loses military titles and use of HRH - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59987935)

Will Bubba ever pay ?
Juanita Broaddrick Details Alleged Bill Clinton Rape on 40th Anniversary: 'I Want Everyone to Know He Is a Rapist' (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton-rape-900485)