This week is the anniversary of the mostly peaceful protest at the Capitol that turned violent . The compliant press and the Dems will try to portray this as a day of infamy ;a sneak attack to kneecap the peaceful transfer of the Presidency to Clueless Joe ;to install Trump as dictator for life.....the big coup. That narrative of course is nonsense .
Mostly this anniversary is being ignored .Thus the drum beat to remind people .
Thinking people asked at the time 'who benefits' by a riot in attempt to over turn the election ? Cui Bono?

Trump maintained that the election was rigged and stolen by the Dems . Whether that is true or not is not the point . The ONLY way he could've changed the outcome of the election on January 6 was to allow the Constitutional process that was happening in Congress that day to play out . In Congress they were debating challenges to the electoral results of 5 states .(Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan) This is not the 1st time challenges to electors have happened . It is a routine in close elections.

So who REALLY benefitted from a disruption of the legal process underway ? Trump or the Republicans in Congress who were making the challenge ? No .

It was the Dems themselves who benefitted. They immediately went to impeachment mode in an attempt to disqualify Trump from ever being President again, They have spent the last year in kangaroo court trying to discredit him and criminalize his belief that the election was stolen . They have been trying to assert that working to prove that a stolen elections had taken place is the equivalent of Trump attempting to steal an election .

Ask Evita; believing an election is stolen is protected by the Constitution. Just like asking people to march peacefully and patriotically to the capitol to make their voices heard is not the same as giving marching orders to rioters .

The riot effectively ended Trump's challenges to the election. So how could he have possibly gained by directing the riot from the White House ?

To the contrary Trump had requested the deployment of 10,000 national guard troops to protect the Capitol. A request rejected by Madam Mim; the Capitol police and the DC mayor. I have yet the hear a good reason for that move. Later had Trump used the power of the Presidency to order in troops then the appearance of a coup would have been evident .

As mentioned ;the only chance Trump had to reverse the outcome was through the Constitutional process. The next day Congress drove the final nail in his challenge with a whimper from his allies in Congress. His challenge was ended .

So I ask again,,,,,,, who benefitted from the riot ?

Interesting spin on the events of that day.
Will the truth ever be fully known is another question entirely.

If the Democrats were intent on finding the truth ;they would've appointed a non-partisan independent commission to investigate the events and not a show trial as is now being conducted by the House of Representatives . The truth will eventually emerge . Except for the Kennedy assassination is inevitably does .

The Dems tried to prevent the facts of their coup attempt and undermining efforts against the Trump Presidency called the Russia Hoax from coming out . But gradually and painfully slowly we are learning the truth .

If the Democrats were intent on finding the truth ;they would've appointed a non-partisan independent commission to investigate the events and not a show trial as is now being conducted by the House of Representatives Better yet, arrest the transgressors and bring them to a speedy trial so the truth could quickly and accurately come out. Of the more than 700 arrested and charged, a few dozen have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors and have been sentenced, most avoiding jailtime. That leaves more than 600 as yet untried about a year later. What's the holdup? Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that the dem DOJ is wanting to time all of this a little closer to this coming November?

The Schmuckster today used the events of Jan 6 to justify an attempt to change the Senate filibuster rules so they can railroad through fundamental change in how Americans vote.
Schumer calls for 'democracy reforms' to prevent more Jan. 6-style events (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/schumer-calls-democracy-reforms-prevent-more-jan-6-style-events-n1286854)

I ask again . Who did the riot benefit ?

how Americans vote.
POC will finally be able to vote??? Wow!

Maybe Trump supporters will be next!!

Better yet, arrest the transgressors and bring them to a speedy trial

Many arrested .Many languish unconstitutionally in jail un-convicted under inhumane conditions, under the brutal yoke of Deputy Warden Landerkin. Landerkin on social media has demonstrated her absolute hatred and bias against Trump .762 people have been charged with crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot.40 are being held in the DC jail. There are reports of those inmates being mistreated under her direction. She has tweeted that Trump is a "pig," and equated Christians to the Ku Klux Klan .She tweeted Ashli Babbit, a rioter who was killed on Jan. 6, "was responsible for being shot."
When called out on her tweets ,she deleted them .

DC jail deputy warden housing 1/6 protesters nukes Twitter account (lawenforcementtoday.com) (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/dc-jail-deputy-warden-housing-1-6-protesters-nukes-twitter-account/)

Most of these inmates have no prior criminal history and have yet to be convicted of any crime. It is believed that prosecutors have been holding out trying to get them to give testimony that they were being directed by Trump and to get them to disavow their support for Trump.

A judge ruled in October that one of the inmate's rights were violated when he was refused medical care .That prompted Reps MTG and Louis Gomert to visit the jail .
MTG's report of their visit is here .
Unusually Cruel An Eyewitness Report From The DC Jail.pdf (house.gov) (https://greene.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/greene.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/Unusually%20Cruel%20An%20Eyewitness%20Report%20Fro m%20The%20DC%20Jail.pdf)

“January 6 defendants were treated categorically different from the remainder of the prison population,” “months of solitary confinement, verbal abuse (e.g., called ‘white supremacists’), harassment, beatings from guards, denial of basic medical care, religious services, communion, nutritious diet, and access to attorneys.”

This was after the US Marshal's office inspected the jail and found conditions acceptable .

Inspection finds DC jail conditions OK for Jan. 6 defendants | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-district-of-columbia-ea51c2963b4e2ac3c2bc2daba4b7e030)

The events of 1/6 were triggered by the right wing lie of a stolen election and despite the court cases, recounts, and audits no widespread fraud has been found after the decades of allegations, yet red states have used this lie as a pretext for even more laws to affect a better vote count in their favor by controlling the vote. So the dufus and his liars benefit the most so far and have raised big money because of that lie. Don't remember repubs even suggesting a blue ribbon panel to investigate 1/6, just blasting the dems and the so called rinos who do want answers, but do note the shenanigans around who votes as an ongoing effort to deny some voters of their legal right.

The Repubs were given 6 of 13 spots on the investigative committee. They submitted a list of names that Madam Mim summarily rejected before she installed 2 Trump hating RINO stooges to make the false claim that the committee was bi-partisan. Make no mistake .The committee is a kangaroo court who is not only trying to make criminals of the Trump Administration ;but also of their fellow Repub representatives .

Republicans blocked the original proposal for an independent commission because it was slanted to favor the Dems . Their counter-proposal was rejected by the Dems . So instead of sitting down to negotiate a deal . Madam Mim created the kangaroo court .

Election reforms have been made at various states both red and blue. The difference is that the red state laws adds protection to the integrity of the franchise while the blue states see advantages in a free for all approach .

What Shmucky and the Dems propose is to make the chaos of the blue state's laws the national law contrary to the constitution granting the states the power to run elections .

On a separate note, this week will mark one year from the riots at the Capitol. As we have said from the start, the actions of that day were lawless and as wrong as wrong can be. Our Capitol should never be compromised and those who broke the law deserve to face legal repercussions and full accountability.
Unfortunately, one year later, the majority party seems no closer to answering the central question of how the Capitol was left so unprepared and what must be done to ensure it never happens again. Instead, they are using it as a partisan political weapon to further divide our country.
By way of an update, House Administration Ranking Member Rodney Davis will be sending a memo to each of your offices outlining meaningful and measurable steps that should be taken to protect our Capitol from all threats — steps that the current majority party is negligent in acting upon.
A Letter to House Republicans from Leader McCarthy about 2022 - House Republican Leader (https://republicanleader.house.gov/a-letter-to-house-republicans-from-leader-mccarthy-about-2022/)

Sixth Amendment. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

While that part of the Bill of Rights is routinely being ignored, at least the 55th Amendment that guarantees a right to an abortion is being enforced, {sarc}

Liz Cheney the "Repub " on the committee said to Clintoon stooge George Stephanopoulos that Trump “can never be near the Oval Office again.” .
That is one of the real goals of the kangaroo court.

A second one is to influence the mid-term elections . They plan to release their "findings " this summer or fall ;perfectly timed for the fall campaign. I can already tell you what they will find; that Trump conspired with Congressional Repubs and white supremist to lead a coup.

The Dems know that their policies are hated. They know that Clueless Joe has lost the support of the American people. They know that they’re in trouble electorally. The only way they hope to win is to connect every Repub in Congress to the actions of a few out of control rioters. Every Repub running will be asked by the compliant press if they agree with the committee findings . Many will cave to the political pressure. The Trump hating Repubs will of course . But also many Repubs in contested districts will decide it politically prudent to bail. The committee is openly threatening colleagues with criminal referrals and those Repubs do not want to be on the hit list .


The Dems will also use the findings to take out Repub speech in social media as they have already done in some cases .

MTG hit with Facebook suspension after Twitter ban - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/03/marjorie-taylor-greene-facebook-suspension-526398)

The pretext for the ban/suspensions of MTG is covid .But it is no accident that this comes in the wake of her independent investigation into the treatment of the Jan 6 arrestees .

A second one is to influence the mid-term elections . They plan to release their "findings " this summer or fall ;perfectly timed for the fall campaign.I think that's a pretty good prediction. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with many of the trials. Do you suppose they could be holding a number of the accused without bail in bad conditions in order to "encourage" guilty pleas and "confessions"?

Do you suppose they could be holding a number of the accused without bail in bad conditions in order to "encourage" guilty pleas and "confessions"?
OF that I have no doubt . But that alone is not enough . They have to implicate Trump like this one confessor did ,
“Trump called us. Trump called us to D.C.” “If he’s the commander in chief and the leader of our country, then he’s calling for help. I thought he was calling for help. I thought we were doing the right thing.”
‘Trump Called Us to D.C.’: Capitol Rioter Who Tased Cop Blames Trump for Jan. 6 Attack. So Does a Federal Judge (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-called-us-d-c-202916613.html)

Liz Cheney the "Repub " on the committee said to Clintoon stooge George Stephanopoulos that Trump “can never be near the Oval Office again.” .
That is one of the real goals of the kangaroo court.
How dare a repub express such disloyalty and gather evidence against the dufus and his criminal ilk. Nice spin as usual Tom, selective as it may be and omits the gravity of the events of 1/6.


A second one is to influence the mid-term elections . They plan to release their "findings " this summer or fall ;perfectly timed for the fall campaign. I can already tell you what they will find; that Trump conspired with Congressional Dems and white supremist to lead a coup.
Your analysis of the outcome of the 1/6 investigation is loony, and we all know the right wing shenanigans based on lies to influence every election.



MTG hit with Facebook suspension after Twitter ban - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/03/marjorie-taylor-greene-facebook-suspension-526398)

The pretext for the ban/suspensions of MTG is covid .But it is no accident that this comes in the wake of her independent investigation into the treatment of the Jan 6 arrestees .
MTG's investigation is laughable and her suspension was done by social media providers not the dems. Stop spinning so hard and you won't be dizzy and confused about simple FACTS.

So twitter and FB are not Dem tools now ? Did you see how much money Zuck spent to ensure a favorable Dem outcome in 2020 ?

It's his money to spend as he pleases and his company to run as he sees fit. What laws has he broken Mr. Capitalist?

None that I know of except perhaps some Sherman Anti-Trust laws . . But it still makes him a tool of the Dems . That is undeniable and bipartisan . Just ask the blond haired blue eyed native American , Warren with Repubs Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley and Colorado Rep. Ken Buck are all over the anti-trust abuse of Big Tech

The Slimes has an article that equates red state reforming election laws as advancing the goals of the rioters.

Opinion | Every Day Is Jan. 6 Now - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/01/opinion/january-6-attack-committee.html)

Tweaking state election law is now a subversion of democracy except when Democrats change state election laws .

According to the narrative ,it is not good enough to demonize rioters or Trump . The whole GOP is complicit in trying to destroy American democracy. Theirs is a “bloodless, legalized coup that "no police officer can arrest and that no prosecutor can try in court.” Their Orwellian spin is right up there with "mostly peaceful protest".

They are factually incorrect. State laws are routinely challenged in court. Facts never really did concern the Slimes . The message is clear . Election reforms that don't go along with the progressive agenda are criminal and designed to destroy the American democracy.

The real purpose of the GOP efforts are to secure the integrity of the vote , and to prevent the rash of last minute free for all changes in election rules that were ;established by the state legislatures and changed by unelected bureaucrats, governors, and Dem friendly courts that we saw in 2020.It was the Dems who staged a “bloodless, legalized” insurrection before the 2020 election even took place.

The Dems also used the pretext of the Jan 6 riot to concoct a national strategy to counter "domestic terrorism" (domestic terrorism defined as anything conservative )

In this effort they did enlist social media and the woke mob as previously mentioned. Suppression, deplatforming, cancelation, social media mobs were all tools employed . Those targeted did not only lose their means to engage in the public square . They were also threatened with their jobs ;their families threatened .

The purge expanded to purges on anyone who expressed opinion counter to the official narrative in any issue be it CRT ,the origins of the virus ,the draconian government response to the virus and taking the jab.

Don't believe me ? Then why is the inventor of MRNA technology ,Dr. Robert Malone, purged ? "15 days to slow the spread" metastasized into assaults on speech, religion, commerce, justice, election law and every other aspect of American life. Those who chose to not get vaxed are treated as traitors.

Any questioning of the results of the 2020 election could subject someone to sanction .
Why Big Tech Censored Our Podcast Touching on 2020 Election Irregularities | Opinion (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/why-big-tech-censored-our-podcast-touching-2020-election-irregularities-opinion-1579647)

The sad truth is that this is the only way the administration can counter dissent of their failed policies .

Ole Joes social and fiscal policies are plenty popular even as Sinema and that other Joe dude continue to balk. I get you guys have no interest in the truth and finding out the ex lying cheating dufus and his minions were and still are a worse lot than previously thought. You conservatives can't make enough noise to hide the stench of what you have foisted on the country or even offer to clean up your own still growing mess.

Hannity is the next monkey in the barrel. This should be interesting.

Try posting some genuine truth. We can discuss it. Remember to document.

You do your thing anyway you want. I'll do mine whether you agree with my truth or care to discuss it.

Hannity is the next monkey in the barrel. This should be interesting.

Yeah that rabble rouser texted Mark Meadows suggesting that the President should ask people to peacefully leave the Capitol.

‘He’s got to condemn this …’: Panel releases urgent Jan. 6 texts from Donald Trump Jr., lawmakers and Fox hosts - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/13/hes-got-to-condemn-this--panel-releases-urgent-jan-6-texts-from-trump-jr-lawmakers-524188)


The President then made the public appeal .

“You have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt”

Twitter locked down Trump's account over his appeal . Then they removed the tweet he sent asking people to peacefully leave the Capitol.

Twitter then went further and banned users who retweeted Trump's appeal.

But that goes hand in hand with Twitter's complicity in advancing the Dem's agenda . Kam the Sham went on a campaign in the days before the election to get Trump off the platform

2020 candidate Sen. Kamala Harris calls on Twitter to suspend President Trump's account - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-candidate-sen-kamala-harris-calls-twitter-suspend/story?id=66010391)

At the time Nick Pacilio, who served as Kam's communications director when she was still California attorney general ,was the senior communications manager at Twitter .

Three other text messages from Hannity dated before the riot discussed Hannity’s concerns over the president’s strategy to turn the election. Hannity told Meadows that Trump should go to Florida and become a vocal supporter of election reforms.

<sarc> Clearly that proves Hannity was colluding with the President in a coup attempt</sarc>

The texts prove that in the days following the riot., Hannity struggled to convince Trump that the election was over — and suggested he was working closely with Meadows and Rep. Jim Jordan , to get Trump to back down.

Great post. It will be interesting to see if facts sway any opinions here.

A blast from the past ..........

(this is from CNN so it must be true )


A total of 214 people have been indicted so far on felony rioting charges in connection with the Inauguration Day protests in downtown Washington.
On the morning of January 20, protests over Donald Trump’s inauguration turned violent when black-clad “anti-fascist” protesters smashed storefronts and bus stops, hammered out the windows of a limousine and eventually launched rocks at a phalanx of police.

Inauguration Day protests: More than 200 indicted | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/politics/trump-inauguration-protesters-indictment/index.html)

But that was a "mostly peaceful protest "
The DC Police had said that the several hundred demonstrators who actively confronted officers were vastly outnumbered by the thousands of nonviolent protesters who swarmed the nation’s capital for Inauguration Day and the Women’s March, held the day after.

The bias is so plain that only the intentionally blind will fail to see it.

Art 1 Sec 9 says that no 'bill of attainer ' shall be passed.

What is a bill of attainer ? It is an act of a legislature declaring a person, or a group of people, guilty of some crime, and punishing them. The powers of Congress in this case are impeachment ;something the Pelosicrats have already attempted .

The "tainting of the truth" begins. There was one death on 1/6 which was a unarmed woman shot with no warning by a capitol policeman. The so called "bipartisan" committee has managed to stretch that to seven by including heart attacks and suicides. As tragic as any death is, there was really only one that can be directly linked to 1/6. Reporting seven more adequately serves the purposes of the liberal dem majority.


WASHINGTON — As a pro-Trump protest turned into a violent attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6 last year, four people in the crowd died.


Ashli Babbitt (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/who-was-ashli-babbitt.html), an Air Force veteran, was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer as rioters tried to breach the House chamber.
Kevin D. Greeson (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/an-alabama-man-who-suffered-a-heart-attack-outside-the-capitol-is-among-the-dead.html) died of a heart attack, collapsing on the sidewalk west of the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Rosanne Boyland (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/us/rosanne-boyland-capitol-riot-death.html) appeared to have been crushed in a stampede of fellow rioters as they surged against the police.
Benjamin Philips, the founder of a pro-Trump website called Trumparoo, died of a stroke.

Mr. Greeson and Mr. Philips died of natural causes, the Washington medical examiner said in April. He added that Ms. Boyland’s death was caused by an accidental overdose (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trump-riot-death-medical-exainer/2021/04/07/53806608-97cf-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html).
In the days and weeks after the riot, five police officers who had served at the Capitol on Jan. 6 died.


Officer Brian D. Sicknick (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html) of the Capitol Police, who was attacked by the mob (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/24/us/officer-sicknick-capitol-riot.html), died on Jan. 7.
Officer Jeffrey Smith (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/us/police-suicides-capitol-riot.html) of the Metropolitan Police Department killed himself after the attack.
Officer Howard S. Liebengood (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-police-howard-liebengood-dies.html) of the Capitol Police also died by suicide four days afterward.

The Capitol Police had previously said that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” The Washington medical examiner later ruled (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/us/politics/brian-sicknick-death.html) that he had died of natural causes: multiple strokes that occurred hours after Officer Sicknick’s confrontation with the mob. The medical examiner added, however, that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”
A bipartisan Senate report (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC&RulesFullReport_ExaminingU.S.CapitolAttack.pdf), released in June, found that the seven deaths were connected to the Capitol attack. But the report was issued a month before two Metropolitan Police officers — Gunther Hashida and Kyle DeFreytag — died by suicide (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/capitol-riot-officers-honored.html) in July.
The police agencies have not classified the four total suicides as “line of duty” deaths that would provide the victims’ families with enhanced benefits (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/us/police-suicides-capitol-riot.html). Washington law excludes suicide deaths (https://code.dccouncil.us/us/dc/council/code/sections/5-716.html) from the line-of-duty designation.

New video that a judge ordered released shows a protester ,Victoria White,who has been charged in 6 counts ,being beaten a number of times by the Capitol Police . She took dozens of baton blows and was punched in the face 5 x . What was she doing ? She was telling protesters to stop and leave. She was pushed into the entrance by the crowd and then cornered by police . This video is enhanced to show part of the beating she took . Her crime evidently was wearing a MAGA hat. At one point she raised her hand and attempted to stop a baton from beating her .The rest of the time she was defenseless.

Stephen Horn on Twitter: "Finally finished doing some editing and graphics on the video of Victoria White being in the tunnel at the Capitol. A bit of enlargement, contrast, and red arrows to show where she appears in the footage. This is the first set of blows from the officer in the white shirt: https://t.co/uGS9u42b6x" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/stephenehorn/status/1475454905871749124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475454905871749124%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fjustthenews.com%2Fgovernment %2Fcourts-law%2Fwoman-claims-capitol-police-beat-her-video-jan-6-protest)

The orchestra plays the intro. "Harris describes Jan. 6 alongside Pearl Harbor, 9/11 as dates that 'echo throughout history.'"

Too early to decide but that may be already the dumbest comment of the year .

Too early to decide but that may be already the dumbest comment of the year .
Why? Those were just tourists, taking pictures?

Vctims died on 9-11 from a terrorist attack . Patriots died from a Japanese sneak attack at Pearl Harbor . There is zero equivalence between the Jan 6 riot and those events . Her hyperbolic comments are way off base and woefully lack historic perspective . Her comment is unhinged . You had the sinking of the USS Arizona at Pearl . You had the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11 . On Jan 6 you had some clown dressed as a Shaman with his feet on Madam Mim's desk.

If she is looking for comparisons she should look no further than the destruction in Portland when rioters attacked a Federal Court and tried to torch it with Federal Officers still inside . If she is looking for comparisons look to the law enforcement lives lost and the destruction in the riots of 2020 .

Dead at Pearl Harbor more than 2400.
Dead at Twin Towers more than 2600.
Dead on 1/6. One.

Surely KH can do the math.

Our own citizens were attacking not only our freedoms but also our legislators.

Many crimes took place at the Capitol Jan 6 2021. Demonstrators rioted, destroyed government property and in some instances engaged in acts of violence. Those who violated the law should be prosecuted and, if convicted, sentenced accordingly. But dramatizing a riot as an organized armed insurrection is demagoguery and political gaslighting.

Kam the Sham has no perspective. In Portland for a month ,lawless attempts to torch a Federal court building with Federal officers inside went unanswered by Dem controlled prosecutors

Maybe designate January 6 as Dems love cops for a day .

But dramatizing a riot as an organized armed insurrection is demagoguery and political gaslighting.
Not organized at all. If it had been, they would have done a better job of it. Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose? What was their aim?

Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?Wow. Sounds like BLM, Antifa, and the Occupy movement. All of them were/are liberal dems.

Actually, no. Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and pee (trying to make a point about the Dems).

Spreading poop and spraying pee on walls and floors, trashing offices, bashing windows and people with gun butts et al., and for what purpose?

Thank you for admitting it was a riot and not an insurrection. There is some evidence that there were instigators from outside organizations, professional agitators, and possibly by Federal agents attempting entrapment (ala the Whitmer kidnap plot model) .


Yes they were fools and morons . They were no John Brown; admired by the left for leading a violent insurrection, or Daniel Shay who's followers angry about taxes ,attacked an armory .

The Jan 6 rioters had no plan . And in the extremely unlikely chance that their actions could've intimidated Congress into handing the Presidency to Trump there would've been a 100 folds response by the left's agitators who are well versed in using political violence to impose their will.

Only the January 6 idiots spread poop and peeYou need to refresh your memory on the Occupy movements. AT any rate, spreading poop and pee does not even come close to amounting to an insurrection.

One unidentified man wore an earpiece during the riot and was filmed carrying what appeared to be a concealed handgun on his left hip. The man was pictured on the FBI's most wanted list for over five months until he was removed without explanation on the same day the New York Times reported an FBI informant was at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Federal authorities won't say why armed Capitol rioters disappeared from FBI's most wanted list | Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-authorities-wont-say-why-armed-capitol-rioters-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list)



“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.

DC Mayor Told Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Capitol Riot (thefederalist.com) (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/06/dc-mayor-told-federal-law-enforcement-to-stand-down-day-before-violent-us-capitol-riot/)

and why did Capitol Police at the main entrances open the doors and invite the protesters into the Capitol ?
Watch The Capitol Police Open The Doors And Invite Protesters In (thefederalist.com) (https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/watch-the-capitol-police-open-the-doors-and-invite-protesters-in/)

This video you linked is amazing. I wonder what the explanation is?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698

At any rate, the rioters should be arrested and charged, just like BLM and Antifa rioters should be arrested and charged. But if that was an insurrection, it was a pitiful attempt at it.

VP Harris' well thought-out view of the situation.


"Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said.

Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

This will doubtless bring consternation to the hearts of some on this site.
washington, aug 20 (reuters) - the FBI has found scant evidence that the jan. 6 attack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vunlwsutf2g) on the u.s. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trumps-legacy-more-divided-america-more-unsettled-world-2021-01-19/) of then-president donald trump (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-summoned-supporters-wild-protest-told-them-fight-they-did-2021-01-06/), according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

Something for the purpose of comparison.


The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_independence_movement) who sought to promote the cause of Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They fired 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols onto the legislative floor from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol#House_Chamber) within the United States Capitol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol).
The nationalists, identified as Lolita Lebrón (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_Lebr%C3%B3n), Rafael Cancel Miranda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Cancel_Miranda), Andres Figueroa Cordero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Figueroa_Cordero), and Irvin Flores Rodríguez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_Flores), unfurled a Puerto Rican flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Puerto_Rico) and began shooting at Representatives in the 83rd Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/83rd_United_States_Congress), who were debating an immigration bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_legislation). Five Representatives were wounded, one seriously, but all recovered. The assailants were arrested, tried and convicted in federal court, and given long sentences, amounting to life imprisonment. In 1978 and 1979, their sentences were commuted by President Jimmy Carter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting#cite_note-justice.gov-2) All four returned to Puerto Rico.



The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) on November 7, 1983, motivated by United States military involvement in Lebanon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War) and Grenada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada). The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_metropolitan_area), and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building. Six members of the radical far-left Resistance Conspiracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_Conspiracy) were arrested in May 1988 and charged with the bombing, as well as related bombings of Fort McNair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McNair) and the Washington Navy Yard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard) which occurred April 25, 1983, and April 20, 1984, respectively.

Added note: Their sentences were commuted by Bill Clinton.

VP Harris' well thought view of the situation.


"Certain dates echo throughout history … Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendar but a place in our collective memory. Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 6, 2021," she said.


Note to Harris. Twenty years from now, only a relative few, wildly committed liberal dems will think about 1/6. EVERYONE thinks about Pearl Harbor and 9/11.




Yes Kam the Sham's comments are clownish . Clueless Joe's were dangerous . He conflated the riot to Dem's attempts to nationalize elections .

“Right now, in state after state, new laws are being written not to protect the vote, but to deny it. Not only to suppress the vote, but to subvert it,”

Remarks By President Biden To Mark One Year Since The January 6th Deadly Assault On The U.S. Capitol | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/01/06/remarks-by-president-biden-to-mark-one-year-since-the-january-6th-deadly-assault-on-the-u-s-capitol/)

The new rules are only restrictive when compared to the free for all rules the Dems favor that place no accountability of the franchise. Was it democratic for key battleground states to change election laws outside the bounds of their constitutions ?

Clueless went further claiming that with few exceptions the Republican party opposes democracy and are anti-American .

“While some courageous men and women in the Republican Party are standing against it, trying to uphold the principle of that party, too many others are transforming that party into something else. They seem no longer to want to be the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan, the Bushes.”

In other words the Dems are pro-democracy and the Republicans aren't .That is the banner they will take with them into the mid-terms .

Does it matter that Evita to this day rails against the democratic results of the 2016 elections ? Does it matter that she advised Clueless to not accept any close outcome that would've had Trump reelected ? Does it matter that Stacey Abrams has claimed to be thereal governor of Georgia since she lost ?
What do the 2020 riots that the Dems rhetorically supported say about their devotion to the democratic process when there were over 2,000 police injured ,17 killed ;court houses torched ,damages in the $ billions . ?

This will doubtless bring consternation to the hearts of some on this site.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/



Maybe the terrorist right wingers didn't PLAN the events of 1/6, but others DID, and the zeal of repubs to minimize it, and ignore it smells like a cover up. Peter Navarro was on national news touting his great 'green bay sweep' strategy that Pence ruined by not doing as he and the dufus wanted and the committee wants to know from Sean Hannitty more about those plans.

Bet even repub lawmakers will remember the events of 1/6 and how scared they were.

The Jan 6 rioters had no plan .
The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency. Too bad they didn't know he was watching them on tv (in a safe place) instead.

but others DIDThe FBI does not agree with you.


The insurrectionists thought Trump did since he had said he was going to lead their march to take over and reclaim the presidency.The FBI also does not agree with you. And the idea that Trump intended to "reclaim the presidency" by some sort of violence has no support whatever. It's just TDS at work.


Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trumps-legacy-more-divided-america-more-unsettled-world-2021-01-19/) of then-president donald trump (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-summoned-supporters-wild-protest-told-them-fight-they-did-2021-01-06/), according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

Be Civil.

Be Civil.Who is that directed at?

Who is that directed at?

All of you.
As the old say goes if the hat fits....
Not about point scoring or binary positions.

Fair enough, but with all due respect, I would think these hats would've fit.


Your analysis of the outcome of the 1/6 investigation is loony, and we all know the right wing shenanigans based on lies to influence every election.



MTG's investigation is laughable and her suspension was done by social media providers not the dems. Stop spinning so hard and you won't be dizzy and confused about simple FACTS.


I love coming back here and seeing Jl of all people pontificating about the truth. This from a character who thinks the entire human race drowned in a big flood and who thinks snakes can talk.

It doesn't get much better ...............
Now I can handle all of that and I'm not complaining about the remarks, but I have to say that it does get confusing here trying to figure out what the definition of "civil" comes down to.

I for one am not much of a hat wearer .

I don't think I am, but I do realize that is not a universally held opinion here.

Did the dufus and others not tell Pence to not certify electon results or not? Did the dufus and others not organize and invite his supporters to the capltal or not? Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.

Nothing to see here was and still is a lie!

All of you.
As the old say goes if the hat fits....
Not about point scoring or binary positions.

This hat is a bit tight.

This hat is a bit tight.
But you look so handsome! I love the way you pinch the brim of your fedora!

Did the dufus and others not tell Pence to not certify electon results or not? Did the dufus and others not organize and invite his supporters to the capltal or not? Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.

Nothing to see here was and still is a lie!

He had opinions from legal experts that said Pence's role could be more than just the ceremonial role Pence interpreted it to be . Trump thought that Pence could reject electors he thought were "fraudulently " chosen. That is an interpretation of the law ;not an insurrection. Trump and his supporters did indeed invite supporters to rally and demonstrate in DC . That also is not leading an insurrection .

As for precedence all you have to do is look at the 3 times in the 21st century that the Dems challenged the electoral college results In 2001, House Dems challenged the certification of electoral votes for G. W. Bush,The objection failed because no senator agreed to sign the written objection. To his credit ;Al Gore presided as VP over the certification of the results . Maxine Waters was a very vocal Democrat insurrectionist at the joint session (I use the now popular definition of an insurrection) She said “The objection is in writing, and I do not care that it is not signed by a member of the Senate,” Perhaps Pence took his cue from Gore . Gore told Waters “The chair will advise that the rules do care,”

Again in 2005 there were Dem challenges to GW Bush. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, and then-Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., together in insurrection challenged Bush’s victory in Ohio on grounds of alleged voter irregularities. Changing that electoral result would've given the election to JFKerry .

Then in 2017 the Dems challenged Trump's electoral certification . This time Clueless Joe presided over the Senate . Again there were not enough votes in the Senate although clearly the attempt was made . The Dems pulled out their tried and well worn charge of voter suppression . They also pulled out the new Russia collusion hoax card .

Trump and his supporters did indeed invite supporters to rally and demonstrate in DC . That also is not leading an insurrection .
Why didn't he stop it when it got out of hand?

That was a bad call on his part . What does that prove ?

And what would've happened if Trump deployed troops while Congress was in session debating the certification of an election that Trump had lost ?

Deploying troops or even National Guard into that event would have inflamed the situation and it would have ended worse then it did.
Trump could have condoned or calmed things alot earlier than he eventually did.
He'd been firing up his loyal supports for weeks before this event happened, and telegraphed the actions all over the socials in the run up.

From watching from the outside it was clear that this wasn't going to be a mere quiet demonstration, but something alot more deadly.

Trump could have condoned or calmed things alot earlier than he eventually did.
Yep! All he would have had to do was announce that plans had changed, so please quietly disperse.

Trump could have condoned or calmed things alot earlier than he eventually did. That was the 'bad call ' I referred to


From watching from the outside it was clear that this wasn't going to be a mere quiet demonstration, but something alot more deadly.

Brings us back to my OP . Who gains ?

It is 20 /20 hindsight to say it was clear that this was not a mere demonstration There was no indication that this would turn out worse than a demonstration ....and if so then why was the Capitol Police so unprepared ? Why did the Mayor of DC and Madam Mim call off the National Guard before the date ? Either it was not anticipated, or they fully expected it and let it happen to advance their agenda. It can't be both .

Show me where the FBI said he didn't do as I have said.The link is on post 48. I'm not going to read it for you.

As to Trump stopping it, that was not his job. He didn't start it to begin with. It was the job of the Capitol cops to stop it. They are under the authority of the Congress. Blame them.

That just leaves the 187 minutes from the breach of the capital until the NG did arrive. That's part of what the investigation is about. Don't agree it would have been worse if they had been deployed sooner, but a valid point as to why they weren't there before...as they have been at other events. Still don't know who planted the bombs at the repub and dem hqs, and reviewing past shenanigans 1/6 was on steroids, far worse than previous events.

I shudder to think what would happen if Pence (Or McConnell) had gone along with this ploy and the dufus had the votes to send this to congress. Is the electoral college that fragile an institution?


The link is on post 48. I'm not going to read it for you.

As to Trump stopping it, that was not his job. He didn't start it to begin with. It was the job of the Capitol cops to stop it. They are under the authority of the Congress. Blame them.

Maybe you should reread it yourself.

Maybe you should reread it yourself.If I do, that will be two times for me and zero times for you.


reviewing past shenanigans 1/6 was on steroids, far worse than previous events.Don't see how you get that. The 1954 incident involved several men actually in the Congress firing weapons.

Thought you hated unnamed sources. Obviously not when they fit your narrative. I read your link and apologize for my inability to copy and paste or provide my own links at this time.

I don't like anonymous sources, but these FOUR sources were reliable enough for Reuters to trust them enough to run the story. The problem you have is that the article does not support your allegations. Many news services ran the story, so there must be at least something to it.

https://www.bing.com/search?PC=MQ03&q=The+FBI+has+found+scant+evidence+that+the+Jan.+6 +attack+on+the+U.S.+Capitol+was+the+result+of+an+o rganized+plot&FORM=MQ03DF

The truth seems to be this. Trump has become the man that many folks love to hate. They enjoy their hatred of him in the same way that many cons loved to hate Obama. So if a story contradicts their beloved narratives, then it just MUST be wrong.

As to Trump stopping it, that was not his job. He didn't start it to begin with.
Of course it was! He had whipped up a crowd that became a mob who wanted to help him get back the presidency. Jeepers! Watch the videos of his speeches that day.

He did not start a riot. Jeepers! Watch the video of his speech where he encouraged his supporters to be peaceful in their protests. Miss that part?

Can you post any quote from Trump where he encouraged his supporters to be violent, or to enter the Capitol Building illegally? Have any quotes about that???

I shudder to think what would happen if Pence (Or McConnell) had gone along with this ploy and the dufus had the votes to send this to congress. Is the electoral college that fragile an institution? There is zero chance that would've happened .
The history of the republic is clear . It survived the 1800 election when the republic was still in it's infancy and Congress had to decide the election . It survived the 1824 election decided in Congress . It survived the 1876 election decided in Congress. All contingencies are covered .

We even survived when Chi town Mafia Boss Sam Giancana rigged the Chi town vote to throw the election to JFK .

here are those dangerous people who you shudder about
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/cp0/q75/spS444/c0.40.515.270a/p235x350/271451964_6263180207427_469863084269839225_n.jpg?_ nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=68ce8d&_nc_ohc=jvEgvpVxXaQAX_fbIjF&tn=D3-YMvk4ckA6zEtC&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT_sOlgEPiVGDL6UCNOyV8I-TaJu-dilQ66MYcxtWqYihQ&oe=61DE678F

I guess we'll see as the investigation proceeds and if repubs can keep protecting this lying cheating out of control bully yet again.

He did not start a riot. Jeepers! Watch the video of his speech where he encouraged his supporters to be peaceful in their protests. Miss that part?
By then it was too late. He had wandered out of the WH after his 187 minutes of watching the insurrection and babbled that about being peaceful. Yeah, right!

Can you post any quote from Trump where he encouraged his supporters to be violent, or to enter the Capitol Building illegally? Have any quotes about that???
He wanted his presidency restored. He had lost unfairly. Yes, I can find them.

Here's a good summary leading up to and including the 6th:

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/a-timeline-of-what-donald-trump-said-before-the-capitol-riot/

By then it was too late. He had wandered out of the WH after his 187 minutes of watching the insurrection and babbled that about being peaceful. Yeah, right! not true . That comment was made during his address to the crowd . What you are refering to is his later tweet address . Of that I agree he was late to the game . But in no way did he give orders to attack the Capitol

not true . That comment was made during his address to the crowd . What you are refering to is his later tweet address . Of that I agree he was late to the game . But in no way did he give orders to attack the Capitol
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/a-timeline-of-what-donald-trump-said-before-the-capitol-riot/

What Trump said before the riot

Trump’s final direction to supporters came during his “Save America” rally (https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6) around noon Jan. 6, when he repeated his Pants on Fire claim (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/07/donald-trump/trump-clings-fantasy-landslide-victory-egging-supp/) that he won.
“Our country has had enough,” Trump told his supporters. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
The crowd later chanted: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!” Trump thanked them.
Trump praised the crowd for traveling from across the nation and for “the extraordinary love.”
“We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: to save our democracy,” Trump said.
Trump repeatedly said there was a need to “fight.” After he bashed “weak” Republicans and Biden, he said: “Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are, I can already tell you, frankly.”
He continued with the fighting metaphors: “Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder, and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. And if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.”
Trump then invited the crowd to go to the Capitol (https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Nw_aFgSCwkywakGftVXzVw6NTJEvtBTeS6rNigOo221hgTCjv DEnf_zvai7Hv5hmGYuImOca6TjcP2GuV0K1i_9pOY?loadFrom =PastedDeeplink&ts=282.97).
“And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
Trump used the word “peacefully” once at his rally:
“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”

I'll give you the EXACT quote from his speech and not a slanted fact check

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."


There can't be incitement when you are telling people to go peacefully

I'll give you the EXACT quote from his speech and not a slanted fact check

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

There can't be incitement when you are telling people to go peacefully
Then, after whipping them up for hours before that (as I noted in bold in my post), when advised to do so, he grudgingly threw out the word "peacefully" ONCE. I quoted that plea (???) for peace in my post before yours. Please read!!!

“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.”Perhaps you can show us in this quote where there was a call for violence or insurrection?


He continued with the fighting metaphors:Even the biased people writing that article know a metaphor when they see one.


I guess we'll see as the investigation proceeds and if repubs can keep protecting this lying cheating out of control bully yet again.I guess this means we cannot count you among those who are waiting for the evidence to make up their minds?

Perhaps you can show us in this quote where there was a call for violence or insurrection?
Too little too late. The insurrection had already begun.


Even the biased people writing that article know a metaphor when they see one.
We teachers know they weren't metaphors; they were similes.


I guess this means we cannot count you among those who are waiting for the evidence to make up their minds?
Good that you're waiting for evidence to make up your mind.

Too little too late. The insurrection had already begun.In other words, you can't.


We teachers know they weren't metaphors; they were similes.Wrong. Didn't you read your own post? "He continued with the fighting metaphors."

In other words, you can't.
Trump was trying to calm down the mob. He was too late. He'd already whipped them into a frenzy.

Wrong. Didn't you read your own post? "He continued with the fighting metaphors."
I was quoting the writer (Amy Sherman) and didn't change anything SO I WOULDN'T BE ACCUSED OF NOT POSTING CORRECTLY. The writer incorrectly used the word metaphor instead of simile.

He'd already whipped them into a frenzy.Says you.


I was quoting the writer
Are you confused? So was I!! And metaphor is the correct term. In the quote you posted there were both similes and metaphors.

Says you.-
He isn't blind but still cannot see.

Are you confused? So was I!! And metaphor is the correct term. In the quote you posted there were both similes and metaphors.
Please list them.

He isn't blind but still cannot see.Sez the woman who has no evidence.

List them? As the author of the piece noted, the use of "fight" was clearly metaphorical. For instance, this quote " and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight," was plainly a reference to republican congressmen who wouldn't "fight" for Trump. It obviously is not referring to physically fighting. Understand?

Might add that, as I have said many times, I am no supporter of Trump, but fair is fair. You cannot place any great blame on Trump for 1/6.

Sez the woman who has no evidence.

List them? As the author of the piece noted, the use of "fight" was clearly metaphorical. For instance, this quote " and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight," was plainly a reference to republican congressmen who wouldn't "fight" for Trump. It obviously is not referring to physically fighting. Understand?

Might add that, as I have said many times, I am no supporter of Trump, but fair is fair. You cannot place any great blame on Trump for 1/6.
You have no idea what metaphorical means, do you.

Sez the woman who has no evidence.

List them? As the author of the piece noted, the use of "fight" was clearly metaphorical. For instance, this quote " and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight," was plainly a reference to republican congressmen who wouldn't "fight" for Trump. It obviously is not referring to physically fighting. Understand?

Might add that, as I have said many times, I am no supporter of Trump, but fair is fair. You cannot place any great blame on Trump for 1/6.

He was lying as he always does and you cannot discount his glee at watching the mob storm the capital according to his own people in sworn testimony before the 1/6 committee.

I quoted that plea (???) for peace in my post before yours. Please read!!! I know that quote and knew it before you referenced it . That is all well and good and I agree came too late after the riot began. It shows poor leadership on his part and nothing else. The fact is that he in no way directed them to storm the Capitol . There were other agitators from outside organizations ,and I suspect inside the FBI .

I wont bother wasting my time to document all the times that the Democrats have used words like "fight " . One of my favorites was when Schmucky thretened a whirlwind would be released on SCOTUS justices . Or the time Maxine Waters tried inciting a mob to violence .

Rep. Waters on Trump administration: 'Tell them they’re not welcome' - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw)

Schumer accused of threatening Kavanaugh and Gorsuch during rally - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu-7L5W6Rew)

So you tell me where the line is between inflammatory political rhetoric and inciting violence .

So you tell me where the line is between inflammatory political rhetoric and inciting violence .
A very good point and in this case rather moot.

The crowd on the day were certainly under the direct influence of Trump and could almost be described as zealots or fanatics.
They were on the fringes on civil society and took everything that was said as gospel.
While Trump may not have directly instructed them to storm the Capitol, the language was certainly inflammatory to the assembly.
Context really is everything.
One mans Freedom Fighter is another mans domestic terrorist or insurrectionist.

Ben at best there were a small minority of the crowd that could be described as zealots or fanatics.I would concede to the word partisans for the rest .

Here are the numbers .Over 80,000 people attended the rally . Of those about 1,700 rioted .(other reports has the number as high as 2,500) So far there have been 700 arrests .

1,700 of 80,000, sounds like the minority that we're discussing here.
After all doesn't take a large number to produce such results.

When the Dems supported the BLM demonstrators and a significant number of them peeled off and rioted were the Dems who supported the BLM inciting riots ?

Who benefits ? Here are remarks by Madam Mim on the anniversary of the riot .

I highlight this comment :

"It is essential that we preserve the narrative of January 6th"

Speaker Pelosi Remarks at Moderated Conversation with Historians Event on January 6th | Speaker Nancy Pelosi (https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/1622-0)

The narrative she speaks of is that this was not a riot but an “insurrection,” an actual “rebellion” against our country. Insurrection ,sedition are the legal terms . The numbers ....700+ arrested .Zero charged with insurrection, sedition,or terrorism. Most of those charged have been on trespassing and property damage . Few have had any charges about violent acts or weapons possession.. Had there been proper security at the Capitol there would not have been a breach.

When BLM protests turned violent in DC there were a phalanx of heavily armed national guard protecting the Capitol. Why were they not there on Jan 6 ? Because Madam Mim and the DC mayor refused their presence.

When the Dems supported the BLM demonstrators and a significant number of them peeled off and rioted were the Dems who supported the BLM inciting riots ?

Not as directly or blatantly as standing in front of 80,000 people and telling them to fight like hell and that the democratic election had been stolen from them.
Context yet again.

context is political rhetoric . I could bury this post of similar examples when politicians urged their followers to "fight " . What does the word mean politically ? It could be a violent event .It could be a heated argument .It could be involved in the struggle . It could be to make a determined effort .To oppose an effort from the other side .To endure . Even to avoid a situation . Your narrow defining is presupposing context .

The numbers ....700+ arrested .Zero charged with insurrection, sedition,or terrorism. Most of those charged have been on trespassing and property damage . Once again we will see if facts have any impact on opinions here. No one charged with acts of terror and the FBI reporting no prior organization to the riot. Virtually no one had a firearm, and yet we are to believe this was some sort of insurrection for which Trump was responsible? It's nonsense.


You have no idea what metaphorical means, do you.You were wrong. I know it's hard for you to admit that, but you were wrong.

However, considering the nature of a minority of the assembled crowd, such nuances or semantics would be lost.

To be incitement the person charged with incitement must intend others to act in a violent manner . American law is clear about that (that pesky 1st Amendment ) From the beginning of this posting I have argued that the one sure way for Trump to end his election challenged was what happened at the Capitol. His supporters in Congress went into CYA mode and became passive sheeple . To this day Sen Ted Cruz falsely called the rioters terrorists;and there was no more a vocal supporter of Trump's election challenges than Cruz.

Just shows were their loyalties really lay...

From the beginning of this posting I have argued that the one sure way for Trump to end his election challenged was what happened at the Capitol.A person can accuse Trump of being sometimes foolish and have a good point, but to think he was actually encouraging an insurrection is several bridges too far. But prior to Covid, he had it going in the right direction. His mouth and tweets caught up with him in the end.

I have no doubt the dufus and his sycophants KNEW some of his supporters would get rowdy and cause trouble, which is why he watched the event with glee and no remorse to this day. Common sense is that it only takes one terrorist to create chaos and confusion and we certainly had more than one present and willing on 1/6.......!

In addition the dufus has shown he is capable of bad intentions before as his charity and university scams are perfect examples how low he will go to feed his own interest. There are more examples that certainly cannot be ignored as conservatives keep insisting he get the benefit of a doubt. That's my evidence he should not.

I have no doubt the dufus and his sycophants KNEW some of his supporters would get rowdy and cause trouble, which is why he watched the event with glee and no remorse to this day.You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but I don't know of any evidence to support that.


Common sense is that it only takes one terrorist to create chaos and confusion and we certainly had more than one present and willing on 1/6.......!How many were present at Ferguson, or at Portland, or in Kenosha? If there was a terrorist present on 1/6, why hasn't he been charged with that crime?

You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but I don't know of any evidence to support that.
Carnage...glee...no remorse. Enough evidence for me to form my opinion, as well as the FACTS of past behavior. Don't know what you need but a PREPONDERANCE of those facts should be sufficient for an opinion.


How many were present at Ferguson, or at Portland, or in Kenosha? If there was a terrorist present on 1/6, why hasn't he been charged with that crime?
The investigation continues even as some have already made up there minds that there is none.

Don't know how many terrorist were at those other locations you cited, but I am on record as being for their apprehension, and conviction, and bringing them to justice under the law.

Don't know how many terrorist were at those other locations you cited, but I am on record as being for their apprehension, and conviction, and bringing them to justice under the law.
Kam the Sham ; the VP , raised bail money for them so they could go back to the streets and do more arson ,and violent physical destruction.

Ted Cruz questions FBI about agent participation and inciting violence before and during the Jan 6 riot

Senator Cruz Questions FBI Official About Ray Epps Role in January 6 | C-SPAN.org (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4995564/senator-cruz-questions-fbi-official-ray-epps-role-january-6)

Her evasiveness was astonishing, and especially her refusal to answer the question about FBI agents inciting in the criminal activity. That's amazing.

At the end, when pressed again, she finally said, "Not to my knowledge, sir." Kind of leaves the door open, don't you think?

You two are amazing. Epps was a member of a far-right fringe militia group. When he was removed from the FBI list of wanted insurrectionists, the right-wing went into a frenzy declaring he was an agent provocateur working with the FBI. It was a piece of nonsense believed only by the likes of Ted Cruz who had been chastened by the new leader Tucker Carlson - a classic case of weird theories to get as much of the limelight as possible. It gets stranger and stranger day by day. Google for the details.

you treat Google as some kind of secular bible. Google;s algorisms bury search results that are inconvenient to the swamp narrative. They have gone from the mission of “organizing the world’s information,” to one that decides which information should be prominent ., Google keeps blacklists to remove certain sites and information from surfacing. These moves are separate from those that block sites required by U.S. or foreign law, Anti trust regulators of both parties have Google in their cross hairs along with the other Big tech monopolies .

You two are amazing.Thank you for the compliment!!

I never said a word about Epps.

If what you say is true, then why wouldn't the lady have simply said that? If you know it, then I'm pretty sure a lot of people know it. Why not simply answer the question and make Cruz look stupid in the process? Why the evasiveness?

you treat Google as some kind of secular bible. Google;s algorisms bury search results that are inconvenient to the swamp narrative. They have gone from the mission of “organizing the world’s information,” to one that decides which information should be prominent ., Google keeps blacklists to remove certain sites and information from surfacing. These moves are separate from those that block sites required by U.S. or foreign law, Anti trust regulators of both parties have Google in their cross hairs along with the other Big tech monopolies .

You are missing the point. tomder. A bit of deflection?


If what you say is true, then why wouldn't the lady have simply said that? If you know it, then I'm pretty sure a lot of people know it. Why not simply answer the question and make Cruz look stupid in the process? Why the evasiveness?

Seek (google) and you shall find. It's all there for the searching. Cruz can't be made to look any more stupid than he already is.

Why was Epps removed from the FBI wanted list when there is video of him egging on rioters ;including suggesting to one that he should remove a barrier to the Capitol building ?

The January 6 committee : Ray were you working for the FBI ?
Epps No

The January 6 committee .... ok then you are absolved.

It is not my job to verify the wild claims of someone else. Period. And especially someone who seems to have no ability at all to verify his own claims.

It is your responsibility to fact check everybody, for a reasonable discussion. Otherwise you come across as a dismissive arrogant hypocrite hiding behind a call for evidence that could well destroy any credibility on whatever point you make. Maybe a good way to hide ones agenda or intentions but a lousy way to foster healthy debate based on facts and not just feelings. Conservatives can't own the libs in such a climate, but it's fun to watch your heads explode from the confusion of your own ideology which appears to be supporting a lying cheating loser who was booted from the WH by the people after repubs failed to act twice.

Fact check that.

Cruz asked specific questions to Jill Sanborn that she refused to answer .
How many FBI assets actively participated in the protest ? She cited protocol.
Did any FBI assets participate in violent acts or do anything unlawful ? She refused to answer . After showing evidence of Epps inciting the attack on the Capitol he asked if she knew him . She dodged.“I’m aware of the individual, sir, I don’t have the specific background to him,”

She would not respond to the question if he was a Fed .She declined to answer.

We know from a Newsweek investigation that the Justice Department stationed elite FBI forces at the FBI training academy in Quantico the weekend beforeJanuary 6; hundreds of agents were deployed to the Capitol grounds that morning.
They had the authority to shoot to kill
Exclusive: Secret Commandos with Shoot-to-Kill Authority Were at the Capitol (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-secret-commandos-shoot-kill-authority-were-capitol-1661330)

The Slimes already reported that FBI assets infiltrated groups like Proud Boys and participated in the initial breach of the Capitol.

An FBI Informant Marched Into the Capitol on Jan. 6 Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html)

It is reasonable that these denials and obfuscations are covering up a larger participation than they admit . What ? The FBI doing something to undermine Trump and tie him to an attempt to overthrow the government ? <sarc> Hard to believe </sarc>

Meanwhile Robert Byrd ;the Capitol police officer who executed Ashli Babbett with a point blank shot as she entered the Capitol was cleared in what amounted to a 'white wash' investigation .


After Byrd declined to cooperate with D.C MPD Internal Affairs Division’s investigation, which was led by Det. John Hendrick, his case eventually was turned over to the USCP for a final administrative review of whether or not his actions conformed with department policies and training.
Still, USCP concluded in August that “the officer’s conduct was lawful and within department policy.” The agency launched its administrative investigation after the criminal investigation was closed.
In April, within four months of the shooting, Byrd was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by the Justice Department, which declined to impanel a grand jury to hear evidence in a departure from other lethal police-shooting cases involving unarmed citizens.Justice ruled there “was not enough evidence” to conclude Byrd violated Babbitt’s civil rights or willfully acted recklessly in shooting her.
Byrd remains the commander in charge of security for the House of Representatives.
Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department would comment on whether they pressed Byrd after he insisted on remaining silent.

Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Was Cleared of Criminal Wrongdoing Without Interview | RealClearInvestigations (https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/01/06/capitol_police_officer_who_shot_ashli_babbitt_refu sed_to_answer_investigators_questions_810720.html)

Gotta love the way you spun one informant into hundreds of shoot to kill FBI agents breaking windows to frame the dufus. Your good.


Meanwhile Robert Byrd ;the Capitol police officer who executed Ashli Babbett with a point blank shot as she entered the Capitol was cleared in what amounted to a 'white wash' investigation .



Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Was Cleared of Criminal Wrongdoing Without Interview | RealClearInvestigations (https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/01/06/capitol_police_officer_who_shot_ashli_babbitt_refu sed_to_answer_investigators_questions_810720.html)

Now you want to investigate a cop shooting a civilian? Really?

I think all cops shootings need investigation . That most are justified does not change that . Cases where use of force is unjustified like Eric DeValkenaere's murder of Cameron Lamb or Kim Potter's killing of Daunte Wright should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Other cases where the shooting was justified, the decision should be respected.

It is your responsibility to fact check everybody, for a reasonable discussion. Otherwise you come across as a dismissive arrogant hypocrite hiding behind a call for evidence that could well destroy any credibility on whatever point you make. Maybe a good way to hide ones agenda or intentions but a lousy way to foster healthy debate based on facts and not just feelings. Conservatives can't own the libs in such a climate, but it's fun to watch your heads explode from the confusion of your own ideology which appears to be supporting a lying cheating loser who was booted from the WH by the people after repubs failed to act twice.

Fact check that.

Glad to see you back, talaniman.

Your post here is a perfect description of how Jl operates. I would only add that he DOES do google searches when confronted and he DOES click on links when challenged. The difference is that he decides if the search/link supports his position or if he can somehow find a word or phrase that he can deflect with. Failing that, he claims NOT to have searched/linked so he has no responsibility for finding the facts (and denies those facts). Not as tricky as he thinks.

Cop shootings generally result in the cop being placed on suspension for some period of time while the shooting is investigated. It usually results in the policeman being rightly cleared as in the case of the Michael Brown shooting. Several investigations came to the same conclusion of self-defense (including Obama's DOJ) while BLM led riots destroyed millions of dollars worth of private and public property.

Between Tom's spin, and your inadequate cherry picking, you illustrate the conservative disconnect with reality. Running in circles has consequences. Google Rochester cop killing and see the lies and cover up by the police. Imagine the shooting of citizens across the country by the cops without video evidence, and just have the cops word for what happened. SCARY to say the least.

The sad part is I know even conservatives are against bad cops.

So how are the 10 Repubs who voted to impeach Trump fairing this primary cycle ?

Tuesday in SC ;Tom Rice was crushed in a primary by state Rep Russell Fry who ran with a Trump endorsement .

Reps. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois(who along with Liz Cheney is on the kangaroo court ), John Katko of New York, Fred Upton of Michigan and Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio have announced their plans to retire rather than face defeat ......based on their constituents reaction to the impeachment vote.

Washington Reps. Dan Newhouse and Jaime Herrera Beutler ;and Michigan Rep. Peter Meijer face Trump endorsed challengers August 2.

California Rep. David Valadao is in 2nd place in his district ,in a weirdo state system where the 2 top vote getters in the primaries face off in the general election regardless of their party . Valadao did not face a Trump-backed opponent.

Wyoming Rep Liz Cheney is facing off against Trump backed Harriet Hageman. Cheney is currently behind in polls . She claims that besides the fact that she is out to get Trump, that she is a consistent conservative . That is a true statement. But so was Tom Rice . The deciding factor was his vote to impeach Trump.

I am not an enthusiastic Trump supporter, but I did appreciate what the country was able to do under his admin. To vote in favor of impeachment was a questionable move at best. He plainly had done nothing deserving impeachment.

one survey released last week found Cheney trailing her top opponent Hageman by 28 points.
Liz Cheney at Risk of Losing Her Seat in Congress (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/liz-cheney-risk-losing-her-seat-congress-1715308)

Yes I endorse Trumpism as it is called .

Liz Cheney is a swamp critter . The Cheney name has been associated with DC insider politics since 1969 when her father joined Don Rumsfeld's staff .He became a Rep in 1979 after serving various functions in the Executive Branch.

It is not surprising that she opposed Trump . Her animosity towards him comes from his crude rhetoric about her father's neo-con interventionist policies .

I wouldn't say this is 100% accurate, but it's close enough. How far we have fallen!
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Last week a gang of operatives hired by mediocre comic turned political satirist Steven Colbert broke into the Capitol Building . Surely you have heard of this coup attempt . No ? It was briefly mentioned at the time but has largely been forgotten. They were arrested by the Capitol Police (none were shot and killed for the illegal entry) .

Why were they there ? Their goal was to stalk and harass lawmakers at the urging of Rep Adam Shiffhead and two other Dem Reps who lead them in this after hours "tour " .Oh what great fun!! They banged on the office door of Rep. Lauren Boebert.

Two ranking Reps from the GOP have asked the Capitol Police and the IG for video footage of the break in and witness statements .
January 2022 Rep. Rodney Davis Letter to USCP Inspector General (pogo.org) (https://www.pogo.org/document/2022/06/january-2022-rep-rodney-davis-letter-to-uscp-inspector-general)

They better not hold their breath.

The operatives were very briefly detained before being released . None of them to my knowledge were subject to extended arrest ,held in isolation for months or had their home doors forcibly opened by pre-dawn raiding FBI agents .None have been denied bail . To my knowledge none are charged with any crime. Allegedly they will appear in local DC court next month not subject to any Federal charges .

Navy Reservist Hatchet Speed should be so lucky.

WarrantGeneratorHatchet Speed.pdf (justice.gov) (https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1514546/download)

Speed entered the Capitol on Jan 6 after the joint session of Congress recessed . Capitol police were chatting with protesters. Speed walked around the Rotunda and exited in less than an hour . Speed didn’t carry a weapon , assault police officers ,or even bang on the office doors of members of Congress.But Speed will most likely plea guilty to parading in the Capitol and will do jail time .

An assistant AG during the end of Trump's term Jeffrey Clark was arrested by the FBI this week . His home was raided and he was forcefully removed from his home in his pajamas . They then seized all his electronic equipment . The raid was reported to the compliant press which in turn made sure it was breaking news just before the Thursday Jan 6 Committee hearings began. Clark's alleged assist of Trump's "coup" was the subject of the day's hearing .Nah no coordination between the Justice Dept and the Congressional Dems there. Neither is the fact that multiple subpoenas were issued Wednesday right before the hearing began.

Jan. 6 probe expands with new subpoenas focused on false electors - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/22/jan6-fbi-electors-subpoenas/)

Charges were dropped against Steven Colbert's crew . A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office said it was not probable a conviction could be obtained and sustained given that the nine arrested had been invited and that their escorts had never asked them to leave the building.

The escorts were Adam Schiffhead's staffers .

Contrast the treatment of Colbert's crew with Pamela Hemphill; a 69 year old grandma with cancer who went to prison this week to serve a 2 month sentence for her participation of Jan 6.

67 year old Darrel Kennemer had his house raided by 100 FBI agents last month . In the pre-dawn hours they busted through his gate . Startled and awakened from sleep he went for his rifle and stepped out on his porch in his skivvies . The agents told him to drop the rifle . He asked to see their warrant. They threw flash bang grenades at him and then put lazer sites on him and demanded he drop the rifle . He and his wife were cuffed and taken away.....but not arrested . They were detained without an arrest for several hours while the agents searched the home . They seized cell phones and Trump paraphernalia. The couple was released without charges .

What did Darrel Kennemer do to deserve such treatment ? He was near the Capitol on Jan 6.

It's far too reminiscent of the Nazi days when people were just arrested and then disappeared. Every person in this country should be outraged at these events, but for many it's OK since, after all, Trump is the target. Well, next month it could very well be you.

It's far too reminiscent of the Nazi days when people were just arrested and then disappeared. Every person in this country should be outraged at these events, but for many it's OK since, after all, Trump is the target. Well, next month it could very well be you.

Very true, authoritarian fascism is alive and well and fully ensconced in the US Law Enforcement system, far detached from the notion of Serve and Protect the citizenry...
This has been going on for many years, separate from whoever is running the country, a law unto themselves, literately.

contrast the treatment mentioned above with the arrest of Congressional Rep All Out Crazy who was led away from a pro-baby killing protest on the Capitol ;arrested complete with fake handcuffs . At one point as she was being gently led away she gave it away when she removed her fake hand cuffs long enough to raise her fist to the crowd . Then she put her hand back in the fake cuffs .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYDoLZfXwAQWL2d?format=jpg&name=small

There is much fake about AOC.

yes she is an Instagram star

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYNALBTXgAEFOWU?format=jpg&name=small

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/294154878_473220331471283_8728822747841802468_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=M71-s1FCEIAAX-tQj2I&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9Y3d8POHAYdmyoxHLbRgSDaOPhgepzDhi4S8mUE3WO fw&oe=62E1C771

This is classic D.C. political talk. Note that it was "suggested" that something "may have" taken place. In other words, we don't know anything.


Cheney said at the end of the June 28 hearing that the committee obtained evidence suggesting Trump's team may have tried to tamper with witness testimony, which is a crime. "Yes, members of the jury, I can unequivocally suggest that the accused may have committed this crime." It would be laughed out of any court other than the kangaroo variety.

Jan. 6 Hearings: Trump Tried To Contact Committee Witness, Cheney Says (forbes.com) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/07/12/jan-6-hearings-trump-tried-to-contact-committee-witness-cheney-says/?sh=1a62e1856de3)

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Everyone needs a little laugh from time to time.
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Today is the 2nd anniversary of the January 6 2021 protest .

Today in DC; ,Micki Witthoeft ,while holding a memorial service for her daugher Ashli Babbett ( who was murdered by Capitol Police officer Michael Byrd ),was arrested .......for jay walking .

Turns out we've had the date wrong all this time.


"If I can halt for a second and just say to you the impact what happened on July 6 had international repercussions beyond what I think any of you can fully understand," Biden said.We can't understand the repercussions anyway.

That was 2 days after his Independence Day bender .He couldn't tell you any "international repercussions " if he were reading them off a teleprompter .

He's right though . July 6 was the day the US withdrew from Bagram Air base Afghanistan leaving an airport in downtown Kabul as the only way to complete US withdrawal from the country.As a result of that fateful decision 13 US Marines and more than a thousand Afghanis died when a bomb exploded during the US chaotic final withdrawal from Kaubul

Once the US did a cut and run ;the Afghan army concluded it was also time to cut and run. The Taliban swifty took over the country.

The Kremlin noticed .

One month later Nikolai Patrushev ;the head of Russian security noted :

In his opinion, Ukraine is heading towards dissolution and at some point, the US won’t even remember its supporters much like what happened in Kabul. "Did the fact that Afghanistan having the status of a main US ally outside of NATO save the ousted pro-American regime in Kabul? A similar situation awaits those who are banking on America in Ukraine where neo-Nazis are capable of taking power, the country is going to disintegrate, and the White House at a certain moment won’t even remember its supporters in Kiev," the security chief explained.



Press review: Patrushev says Afghan fate awaits Ukraine and error cuts EU gas prices - Press Review - TASS (https://tass.com/pressreview/1327689)

So yeah July 6th had international repercussions . It was clearly in Putin's mind when he was considering an invasion into Ukraine .

It was clearly in Putin's mind when he was considering an invasion into Ukraine .

Now Biden is responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

At long last, have you no shame, Tomder?

There is no doubt that Clueless goaded Putin into the invasion . On top of a perceived lack of commitments to American allies when things got tough , Clueless signaled to Putin that a limited action on the Donbas would be acceptable and that our response would be proportional.

If Putin was going to invade Ukraine for the purpose of regime change he would've done so after the US helped stage a coup ;the so called 'Orange Revolution ' against the Russophile regime of Viktor Yanukovych . That was when a pro-western regime was installed . Besides Putin's seizing of Crimea to protect the Russian naval base there ,there was no evidence that Putin had any design on Ukraine until there was apparent moves by the west to fast track Ukraine's admittance into NATO .

The perception of weakness and lack of resolve is a dangerous event. Ask the French after Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland in 36. There are many who believe that if the French and British had moved aggressively to prevent Hitler's move, he would have withdrawn in political embarrassment. They did not, and World War 2 proved to be not far away.

Of course Biden is not spelled T-R-U-M-P, so what he did was fine with the TDS crowd.

Tom, I hope you'll post something about the Speaker of the House vote that's ongoing.

Correction. That was ongoing until early this morning.

Well what do you know ? The lead investigator for the Kangaroo court Tim Heaphy has disclosed that the committee excluded a key finding in the final report. He blames Trump's words ;but he gives a major hat tip to law enforcement failures .


That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence.”
“Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence,"


Top Jan. 6 investigator says FBI, other agencies could have done more to repel Capitol mob had they acted on intel (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/fbi-stopped-jan-6-capitol-mob-acted-intelligence-rcna68155)

The committee white washed that part of the findings.

There was a lot of advance intelligence about law enforcement, about carrying weapons, about the vulnerability of the Capitol,” Heaphy said. “The intel in advance was pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for law enforcement to have done a better job.”

It's almost like Madam Mimi wanted the riot to happen

The committee white washed that part of the findings.

There was no white wash. The Committee rightly focused where the focus belonged - on the criminal in the White House who planned the insurrection.

on the criminal in the White House who planned the insurrection.A completely false statement for which there is no shred of evidence. It is even an open question as to whether the event can be intelligently referred to as an "insurrection".

January 6 Timeline
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069977469/a-timeline-of-how-the-jan-6-attack-unfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when

January 6 Timeline
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069977469/a-timeline-of-how-the-jan-6-attack-unfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when

Great timeline!

Along with the Jan 6 Committee evidence, it proves that Trump organized and incited what is a classic definition of an insurrection. So many unhinged Republicans, basically co-conspirators and co-insurrectionists, will continue to be election deniers and insurrection deniers even faced with incontrovertible documentary audio and visual evidence.

The issue is no longer about politics, it is about sanity. Mental instability. The likes of Greene, Gaetz, and Santos - and many others - are now at the highest elective levels in the nation. These individuals do not have the mental acuity to perform the duties of their office. THIS IS NOT HYPERBOLE, IT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Jewish lasers from space
100% falsified resume
Child molestation

These are only a smidgen coming from the most bizarre Republicans.

Jewish lasers from space
100% falsified resume
Child molestation

These are only a smidgen coming from the most bizarre Republicans.
Plus
wonton killings (Boebert)
peach tree dishes (Greene)
gazpacho police (Greene)

I kept looking for the place on the timeline where it said Trump planned the demonstration which has been incorrectly referred to as an insurrection. Perhaps you can point that place out.

People need to learn that their personal opinions do not amount to real evidence.



The issue is no longer about politics, it is about sanity. Mental instability. The likes of Greene, Gaetz, and Santos - and many others - are now at the highest elective levels in the nation.And then there is Biden!! Oh brother. And then throw in AOC and the Squad.


incontrovertible documentary audio and visual evidence.Where is the evidence that incontrovertibly proves the demonstration was an insurrection?

Thanks for the biased timeline . If anything it confirms what lead investigator Tim Heaphy for the Kangaroo court said about the lack of resources when Madam Mimi and DC Mayor Muriel Bowser knew of potential problems. During the BLM protests a gnat could not have penetrated the Capitol defenses .

The timeline does not mention this from Trump's address;

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

That doesn't sound like a call to insurrection to me.



Protesters break windows and climb into the Capitol. They open doors for others to follow.

The US Capitol Police Force is under fire for the way it handled Wednesday's insurrection at Capitol Hill, as officers were filmed taking selfies with rioters and appearing to help them move back barricades and open doors.

Capitol Building Officers Posed for Selfies, Helped Protesters (businessinsider.com) (https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-building-officers-posed-for-selfies-helped-protesters-2021-1)



A Capitol Police officer shoots Ashli Babbitt (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/) as she tries to climb through the doors. She later dies of her injuries.

The only firearm discharged during the riot was fired point blank at Ashli Babbitt by Lt. Michael Byrd . Byrd had a history of improper handling of a gun having previously left his Glock 22 unattended in a bathroom in the Capitol Visitor Center complex .Unlike a gun with a traditional safety, a Glock 22 will fire if the trigger is pulled.

His careless gun safety measures made him a poor choice to be an officer in charge of guarding the Capitol .His point blank shooting of unarmed Babbit would've been dealt with differently if she was at a "mostly peaceful" protester during the Floyd riots . There would've been an arrest and trial of him by now .


4:17 p.m.

Trump does not go on TV. Instead, he tweets a video talking to his supporters inside the Capitol.
"I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."


Of course he Tweeted .Most times the compliant press did not even bother carrying his addresses . In addition ,anyone inside the Capitol would not have seen a television address .But many of them were on Twitter and other social media while the riot was occurring .

He can rightfully be fauluted for taking too long to make that statement .



There was no white wash

Heaphy said law enforcement agencies could have prevented the Jan. 6 attack; that the FBI and DHS had important intel but failed to act on it; that the Kangaroo court downplayed law enforcement's role in the riot.

Sounds like he is accusing them of a white wash to me.


Mattathias Schwartz , a senior correspondent at Insider, is sounding the white wash charge as well .


The legislation establishing it directed the committee to report on the entire set of "facts, circumstances, and causes" surrounding the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol.

And on that measure, it failed. By focusing almost exclusively on the role that Trump and his acolytes played in fomenting the riot, the committee has deprived the public of the best possible understanding of exactly what happened that day, why no one anticipated it, and why it wasn't stopped by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and others charged with protecting the Capitol from dangers foreign and domestic.



The Jan. 6 Committee's Narrow Focus on Trump Let the FBI and DHS Off the Hook (businessinsider.com) (https://www.businessinsider.com/who-the-jan-6-committee-let-off-the-hook-trump-dhs-fbi-2022-12)

He documents concerns Mark Warner the head of the Senate Intel committee had on Jan 4 that he relayed to the FBI .

A week after the riot ,the Compost reported that the FBI knew of potential violence on Jan 5 ,the day before the riot .

FBI report warned of 'war' at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html)

Schwartz writes ;

The January 6 report makes a complicated argument to absolve the security establishment of responsibility for permitting the attack, one that hinges on surprise.

Sounds like a white wash of the truth to me .

The timeline does not mention this from Trump's address;

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

That doesn't sound like a call to insurrection to me.
He sure fooled them, didn't he! They noisily rioted and insurrected like they'd been encouraged to all morning into the afternoon. He'd implied and even said "we", making them think he'd be at their head, he'd be leading them. And where was Trump in the afternoon when the mob got really energetic? He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.

And where was Trump in the afternoon when the mob got really energetic? He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.

All around him were begging him to do SOMETHING, anything to stop the violence. But Trump just sat there for HOURS, gleefully watching the chaos on TV and cackling like a madman. When it became apparent the insurrection had failed, Trump then went on video and asked for "peace".

Still not addressing the point that the lead investigator for the committee said the Kangaroo court covered up some key facts related to the fact that security was intentionally neglected for the Capitol.

They knew there was a threat . That decision was made by MayorBowser and Madam Mimi to turn down offers by the President to have a significant National Guard presence there .

3300 Guard troops were in DC for the BLM protest . 7500 Guard troops were in DC to assist law enforcement for the p-ssy hat protests at Trump's inauguration . The breach on Jan 6 happened because the Dems wanted it to happen.

He sure fooled them, didn't he! They noisily rioted and insurrected like they'd been encouraged to all morning into the afternoon.Just a plainly false statement. Trump never encouraged anyone to riot or carry out an insurrection. If you want to still claim he did, then finding the video or text of this alleged behavior should be simple. Post it.


He was in the WH, eagerly watching the insurrection on tv.
Comments like this make this site tiresome. You have no evidence at all to support the underlined portion of your claim. It's just a raw hatred of Trump that causes these kinds of hateful speculations. This complete disregard for the truth gets very old.

Ditto for this nonsense.
But Trump just sat there for HOURS, gleefully watching the chaos on TV and cackling like a madman.

President Donald Trump took several hours to respond to the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday despite numerous pleas from staff, advisors, and members of his family.
A new report from The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html) says Trump was too busy watching the insurrection unfold on TV [FOX News] to do anything to quell it.
"He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV. If it's TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls," one Trump advisor told The Post.
Sen. Lindsey Graham said Trump was also reluctant to do anything because "he saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-was-watching-tv-while-riots-took-place-2021-1
Former White House officials such as Kayleigh McEnany (https://www.businessinsider.com/hannity-january-6-texts-kayleigh-mcenany-fox-news-playbook-2022-1) and Pat Cipollone (https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-hearings-pat-cipollone-testimony-deposition-sidney-powell-quote-2022-7) said Trump was holed up in the dining room next to the Oval Office as the attack unfolded. According to Cipollone, who served as White House counsel, images of the violence unfolding were on the screen as Trump watched.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-watching-tv-during-jan6-white-house-dining-room-video-2022-7
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jXM6h9elyTY



Just a plainly false statement. Trump never encouraged anyone to riot or carry out an insurrection. If you want to still claim he did, then finding the video or text of this alleged behavior should be simple. Post it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/us-president-donald-trump-encouraged-proud-boys-and-neonazis-before-capitol-riots/news-story/ff9eaddb9d12e1c01ef2ba65890acdf6

You presented nothing to show that Trump was gleefully watching the demonstration on 1/6. You presented nothing to show that Trump encouraged anyone to carry out an insurrection. Just posting disjointed links does not help your cause.

You presented nothing to show that Trump was gleefully watching the demonstration on 1/6. You presented nothing to show that Trump encouraged anyone to carry out an insurrection. Just posting disjointed links does not help your cause.
I'm sorry your life is so busy and complicated that you don't have time to read the excerpts I c/p and watch the videos I posted.

I’m sorry that you cannot post a single supporting quote from the articles you posted. I read through them and, evidently like you, could find nothing supporting your allegations other than some biased opinions. Biased opinions, as you well know, amount to practically nothing.

But I did. The paragraphs posted are from the links, which include quotes from Trump. Even a video of the tv watching of the insurrection plus music playing (with Ivanka dancing in place and her brother talking to the camera that was panning the tv watchers).

I posted, "You presented nothing to show that Trump was gleefully watching the demonstration on 1/6. You presented nothing to show that Trump encouraged anyone to carry out an insurrection."

You referred to your previous post which I copied below. Nothing there supports to two ideas above. Nothing.



President Donald Trump took several hours to respond to the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday despite numerous pleas from staff, advisors, and members of his family.Perhaps his response was not timely, but that is not what you alleged.

A new report from The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html) says Trump was too busy watching the insurrection unfold on TV [FOX News] to do anything to quell it.Ditto.

"He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV. If it's TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls," one Trump advisor told The Post.Just strikes me as a silly observation, but still does not support your allegations.

Sen. Lindsey Graham said Trump was also reluctant to do anything because "he saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen."Pure opinion and nothing more.

Former White House officials such as Kayleigh McEnany (https://www.businessinsider.com/hannity-january-6-texts-kayleigh-mcenany-fox-news-playbook-2022-1) and Pat Cipollone (https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-hearings-pat-cipollone-testimony-deposition-sidney-powell-quote-2022-7) said Trump was holed up in the dining room next to the Oval Office as the attack unfolded. According to Cipollone, who served as White House counsel, images of the violence unfolding were on the screen as Trump watched.So? Certainly does not support what you alleged above.


If you want to suggest that Trump should have responded sooner, then we can agree. If you want to suggest that Trump's fiery rhetoric contributed to the 1/6 riot, then I would agree, but you have made three mistakes in my view.

1. You went much too far in suggesting he gleefully watched the whole thing.
2. You went much too far in suggesting he encouraged an insurrection.
3. You have not uttered a single word of criticism towards Pelosi and the D.C. mayor. Tom has posted a great deal that implicates them in being, at the very least, careless and guilty of dereliction of duty. That's the worst part. It makes you appear to be a partisan hack who sees everything through liberal colored glasses. I think that perception is unfortunate.

and here I thought the narrative was that he got into a limo and tried to grab the wheel from the driver who refused to take him to the Capitol.

That was last quarter's narrative. They're working on the new one for next quarter.

and here I thought the narrative was that he got into a limo and tried to grab the wheel from the driver who refused to take him to the Capitol.

Now you know better. The truth is all there for you to see and become informed re the truth. Denial in the face of facts and testimony makes you look foolish.

Denial in the face of facts and testimony makes you look foolish.If we could only find those elusive facts. Maybe it's something like this. "That is absolute BULLSH*T and you know damn well it is!"

and here I thought the narrative was that he got into a limo and tried to grab the wheel from the driver who refused to take him to the Capitol.

That was part of the narrative. President Trump, "I'm the f...ing president. Take me to the Capitol". The Secret Service unknown spokesman denied this happened. That spokesman REFUSED to testify in person!!

That was part of the narrative. President Trump, "I'm the f...ing president. Take me to the Capitol".


and yet the slanted NPR timeline neglected that


Shortly after that, Trump ends his speech.
"We're going to the Capitol," he says. "We're going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."
Trump returns to the White House. He does not go to the Capitol.

It also left out the part where Capitol Police assisted in taking down barriers ;opened doors for the protesters ,and took selfies with them .

The timeline also neglects to mention the role of FBI informant Ray Epps .Witnesses saw him encouraging people to enter the Capitol on Jan 5 . He was on the FBI list of suspects but was mysteriously removed from it. Epps’ photo was removed from the FBI poster of potential January 6 suspects..The Kangaroo court interviewed him and took his word that he was not an informant or was encouraging protesters to enter the Capitol. But a video of the riot says otherwise. The video shows him in a MAGA hat whispering to protesters . The protesters see through his costume and started chanting "Fed Fed Fed "

The timeline also neglects to mention the role of FBI informant Ray Epps .

Ridiculous. Just another conspiracy so loved by the far right when they have no truth based facts.

There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that Epps is a federal agent or that he was working with the government.

Ray Epps is a retired Marine with connections to a far-right anti-government militia group who traveled to Washington, D.C., to attend the "Stop the Steal" rally in support of Trump's false claim that the 2020 election had been stolen.

Epps is a Trump supporter and was listed as the president of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers.

The claim that Epps is an undercover federal agent is based on the fact that Epps had not been arrested. The reason Epps wasn't arrested was not because he was working with the FBI, but because the FBI found he didn't commit a crime.

Below is an excellent neutral link explaining the whole story about Epps and why he became a conspiracy figure.

https://news.yahoo.com/everything-know-ray-epps-man-193846565.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJZ9AjBWmSzkgBD48gb2QSdsJMw4 EI2JL_tKxb8lZBJzUwjyP8x2TBMqOaQIQdbI5EBsQsef1-reVbZOX7ZE7CZHDmbeKOk2Vq5nMzODS-xoXdPWiUJ6gxBJk6LqAwg_mxLjgHE60mhT0QsG8xeTgIR9QKX9 6109iEB9XXMNteZ1

The Epps issue is a little complicated. It is true that there is no direct evidence connecting Epps to the FBI, and it could very well be true that he was just another right-wing demonstrator. However, the fact that he was identified early on and yet never arrested is somewhat strange. While he did not himself enter the Capitol, he was a major figure calling for others to do so. Add to that the fact that he has no interest in speaking with the press about the whole episode, and it appears strange. Remember that he was the head of Oath Keepers for several years, a position which would have been ideal for an FBI plant, and the circumstantial evidence becomes worth noting.

The committee interviewed him and asked him if he was a plant. He said no .. end of interview . The compliant press' brilliant take was that he would not have lied because he was under oath. He encourage people to enter the Capitol on Jan 5 and 6 . Then he slithered away .

Initially he was on the FBI list

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/01/11/PPHX/e2c06a7b-f4f6-4339-ae61-f92af8e83527-Photo_16.JPG?width=300&height=307&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

Video shows Ray Epps at initial Capitol breach on Jan. 6 (washingtonpost.com) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/video-shows-ray-epps-at-initial-capitol-breach-on-jan-6/2022/01/18/ead6e41f-5dd1-4e43-bc59-ffaaa70828cc_video.html)

The video of him Jan 6 shows him in a camouflage suit and MAGA hat encouraging people to break through the barriers . But yes he doesn't actually participate in the breach. That is why he was in the wanted list . Why was he later excluded when thousands were arrested ?

The committee interviewed him and asked him if he was a plant. He said no .. end of interview

FALSE

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You were given the link that explained the entire situation (deleted).


https://news.yahoo.com/everything-kn...09iEB9XXMNteZ1


(https://news.yahoo.com/everything-know-ray-epps-man-193846565.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJZ9AjBWmSzkgBD48gb2QSdsJMw4 EI2JL_tKxb8lZBJzUwjyP8x2TBMqOaQIQdbI5EBsQsef1-reVbZOX7ZE7CZHDmbeKOk2Vq5nMzODS-xoXdPWiUJ6gxBJk6LqAwg_mxLjgHE60mhT0QsG8xeTgIR9QKX9 6109iEB9XXMNteZ1)

The committee interviewed him and asked him if he was a plant. He said no .. end of interview

Sorry, Tomder, I got carried away (my reply #174). I erased the bad part.

Prisoners from the riot wrote a letter complaining that conditions are so bad in their detainment that they are requesting to be transferred to GITMO where prisoners are treated humanely .

The detainees list several issues. The conditions allegedly include no religious services or visitations, "black mold" and "worms" on the jail's walls and in food, abuse by guards, and vaccine requirements for visits and other services. They also say their clothing sent to laundry is returned covered in "brown stains, pubic hair and or reeking of ripe urine." And they say they've lost eyesight and hair because of "malnourishment.

Jan. 6 detainees request transfers to Guantanamo Bay over D.C. jail conditions : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1127481476/capitol-riot-detainees-request-guantanamo-transfer-dc-jail-conditions)

Jan6Gitmo - DocumentCloud (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23126470-jan6gitmo)

Quick flashback to Epps inciting protesters to storm the Capitol building on Jan 5 . The protesters called him out for being a Fed.
Ray Epps Shouted Down by Crowd as a Fed - Jan 5 Jan 6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erafzh-YahE)


I was called out here for suggesting that he was not a true MAGA Trump supporter .

The Slimes called such talk a conspiracy theory.

Jan. 6 Panel Seeks to Debunk Unfounded Theory About F.B.I. Role in Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/us/politics/ray-epps-january-6-committee.html)

Epps told the Kangaroo court that the attack on the Capitol made him ill.

Pro-Trump protester Ray Epps told Jan. 6 committee 'crazy' conspiracy theories tore apart his life (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/-trump-protester-ray-epps-told-jan-6-committee-crazy-conspiracy-theori-rcna63615)


The Slimes called him a victim

How Ray Epps Became the Victim of a Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/politics/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-ray-epps.html)

Epps is suing Fox News for the negative coverage.

Now get this ..... He says Fox News contributed to the DOJ suddenly pivoting and charging him after all.


The relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson and the resulting political pressure likely resulted in the criminal charges.


Fox News sued by Trump supporter Ray Epps over Jan. 6 claims (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/fox-news-sued-by-trump-supporter-ray-epps-over-jan-6-claims.html)

full.pdf (nyt.com) (https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/epps-fox-lawsuit/68619a81058ced05/full.pdf)

That's right He is now going to be charged 2 1/2 years later Meanwhile there are protesters still in jail uncharged .

So now the compliant press has to pivot. No longer is it an insurrection . It is just a riot. They all got the memo . This is headlines in the last couple of days .

Ray Epps Wants Jury to Decide if Government Used Him to Fuel Capitol Riot (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/ray-epps-wants-jury-decide-if-government-used-him-fuel-capitol-riot-1812611)

Woman accused of attacking police during Capitol riot sentenced to six years in prison | The Hill (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4098780-woman-accused-of-attacking-police-during-capitol-riot-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/)

Capitol riot suspect arrested near Barack Obama's home indicted on firearms charges | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-obama-washington-home-trump-bb206cb7a3392fba1fa25faef373ff83)

Articles defending Epps by the compliant press refer to it as a protest ,demonstration ,or rally. Epps was a protester ;a Pro-Trump protester .

January 6 protester Ray Epps says he relives Capitol riot every day | 60 Minutes - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ray-epps-jan-6-capitol-protest-60-minutes-transcript-2023-04-23/)

Donald Trump supporter Ray Epps sues Fox News for defamation - UPI.com (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/07/12/trump-voter-Ray-Epps-fox-news-defamation-lawsuit/7661689207325/)


My theory is that the DOJ is charging him to take away the obvious appearance of bias against conservatives and Trump ;and their cover up of the Biden crime family. Once the heat is off ;they will quitely drop it . Epps lawsuit wll continue and will probably end in a settlement making him rich .

All the charges today are BS If Trump is convicted then it will be overturned in the higher courts ,

The political odor around this whole thing is troubling.

I'd like to see them try to prove that Trump did not believe the election was stolen

Jonathan Turley on the Trump Jan 6 indictment


This is a free speech-killing indictment. There's no way around it. I write a great deal in academia in the free-speech area and I rarely seen a more chilling filing by the Department of Justice. The question that people have to ask themselves is, when is the price too high? People are obviously enraged, but what is the price too high to bag Donald Trump? This indictment is that prohibitive cost. Meaning, what they are attempting to do is criminalize what they consider to be disinformation.

And I have to tell you, this indictment is really sad moment for me. I hoped that Smith is going to indict on January 6th, that he would find unassailable evidence and unquestioned legal authority. He has neither in this indictment...

This is a speaking indictment but it doesn't say very much. It basically just says that we think Trump is lying that he actually didn't believe this. I can't tell you how faciously ridiculous this claim is. It starts up by saying, of course, you can say false things in the campaign, but then says that Trump knew they were false. Is that the test going forward in terms of criminalizing political speech?

Smith is just not only going to have to just bulldoze through the First Amendment, he's going to have to bulldoze through a line of cases by the Supreme Court...

I think what happened with Representative Goldman is that he looked ridiculous. He looked ridiculous in denying the obvious. Obviously, you're not going to sit at Cafe Milano and ask the vice president to ice-pick a prosecutor in Ukraine wedge as your order breadsticks.

The whole point of the call was to establish the deliverables for Hunter Biden. He could deliver, he was a phone call away from his father. The way influence-peddling occurs is you don't do this by committee, the fact is, you show you have access that things can be done. So the Democrats are really reaching that line with I think particularly the American public, they're not buying it. The polls show they show this is very serious corruption scandal. And indeed it is. It may be the most serious corruption scandal in my lifetime to come out of Washington D.C. and that's saying a lot in this city.


Turley on Trump: "This Is A Free Speech-Killing Indictment," Dems Are Reaching The Line With The American Public | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/08/01/turley_on_trump_this_is_a_free_speech_killing_indi ctment_dems_are_reaching_the_line_with_the_america n_public.html)


By Smith's legal theory both Al Gore and GW Bush were guilty of election fraud by challenging the 2000 election .In fact any President's speech can now be called a conspiracy to defraud the US by a partisan prosecutor or an politicized DOJ .

1982 SCOTUS ruled in 'Nixon v. Fitzgerald' that the President “is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts.”

Nixon v. Fitzgerald | Oyez (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1981/79-1738)

Trump believed there was fraud in the election . He asked his DOJ and State officials to find evidence. He suggested to Pence that since the election was stolen that Pence had the power to overturn the results in the Senate. Smith's whole charge is that Trump really did not believe there was fraud. I'm sure he will get a stacked DC jury to convict . The charges won't stand up in appeal.

I don't think this has much to do with getting Trump. Rather, it has to do with getting Trump bogged down in court proceedings for the next fifteen months to possibly clear the field for a dem victory in November. This Biden administration is the most corrupt in my lifetime, and that's really saying something.

The judge in this case was previously from a firm associated with Hunter Biden. She has also been hard core in sentencing of Jan 6 rioters . She will almost certainly place gag orders on Trump . She may just deny bail if he is convicted awaiting appeals.

It is pretty clear that the deep state strategy is to hamstring Trump while at the same time ensuring that he is the Repub nominee . That part is working . The more they pile on ;the more Trump pulls away from primary challengers .

The indictment looks more ridiculous the more I look at it ..

This poll taken last year shows the extent of how many people the election in 2020 was the result of cheating .

Rasmussen Reports Survey: Most voters think that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election (crimeresearch.org) (https://crimeresearch.org/2022/03/rasmussen-reports-survey-most-voters-think-that-cheating-affected-the-outcome-of-the-2020-presidential-election/)

Yet the case is made that Trump KNOWINGLY touting a fringe legal theory that he really did not believe, to defraud the government .

It is pretty clear that the deep state strategy is to hamstring Trump while at the same time ensuring that he is the Repub nominee Very good observation. It shows that there are still smart people in Washington who are using their smarts in devious ways.

The Dems may regret this. Regardless of the verdict (I am 99% sure he will be found guilty ;and then it will be reversed in appeal like Virginia Guv Bob McDonnell's was ....[he was also indicted by Jack Smith ])

Trump will have his day in court and will be able to make his case that the election was stolen. Previous cases had Trump the accuser . He was responsible to bring evidence that a jury would accept; evidence that local election officials were not required to produce. Without such proof the cases were dismissed .

As a defendant Trump can watch the prosecution try to prove without a doubt that the election was fair. Evidence will have to be presented and subject to cross examination. As I have said before 'discovery is a b*tch'. He can introduce evidence countering the liar charge that predicates the charges against him. (not that political lying is a criminal offense

Local officials will need to prove every vote counted was a legal vote. Zuckerberg will have to testify the zuck bucks funding of ballot collection. He can demonstrate how elections were unconstitutionally seized by state Guvs and judges from state legislatures.
Imaging Dinesh D’Souza on the witness stand explaining how he gathered information for his documentary 2000 Mules for jury consideration.
2000 Mules Documentary Substantiates 2020 Election Fraud | Bossier Press-Tribune (https://bossierpress.com/2000-mules-documentary-substantiates-2020-election-fraud/)

Can they really deny that a ballot stuffing scheme did not happen in many of the key states ?

And here's the thing. Even if the prosecution can counter all that ;they still need to prove that Trump did not believe it .

What evidence do they have ? Trump telling Pence 'you're too honest ' ? (something Pence is now using in his campaign against Trump
Pence campaign capitalizes on Trump indictment, sells 'Too Honest' merchandise | Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/pence-trump-indictment-too-honest)

Jack Smith seems to really believe that Trump denials of the results of the election is an elaborate fraud by him rather than Trump truly believing the election was stolen.

But the evidence against that charge is compelling . Smith argues that even though Trump's lawyers (who are co-defendants ) told him that the moves he was making were constitutional ;he got plenty of other advice telling him that there was no longer a path to victory.

That may be true also and still not address Trump's mindset.

Georgia is going to indict him over his phone call with state Sec State Brad Raffensperger. He tried to convince Trump a dozen times or more that Trump had lost the state .Trump persisted in making an argument that all Raffensperger need to do was to look for the missing votes. He told Raffensperger he "won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes,"..... "there's no way I lost Georgia."

Full transcript: Trump's audio call with Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html)

Rudy was telling him the Dems cheated in the state. Sidney Powell was telling him that the Dominion voting machines had been tampered with. Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and 2 other lawyers were in on the conversation telling him more points to discuss with the Georgia officials .

Congressional GOP reps were saying that electoral votes in disputed states could not be trusted . Pence was waffling; alternating between agreeing that the vote was suspicious ,then claiming he had no authority to do anything about it...... something that advisors who had his ears disputed .

Polls show that a large percentage of the people believe the election was rigged. In Trump's mind he was defending his people.

Here was his mindset.....He believed that he was cheated by the Dems and nothing was going to change his mind.

"Do you think it's possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County?" "Because that's what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that's illegal, right?"

They told him no machines were moved . But he was unconvinced .
.
Why would he not believe the election was stolen ? Evita had tried to cheat him out of the election in 2016. The deep state effectively kneecapped his Presidency with the false cloud of Russian collusion hanging over his head . The Dems impeached him for the benefit of Quid Pro Joe . Covid gave the Dems the opportunity to change state election rules unconstitutionally for their benefit .

Was it so unreasonable for him to them conclude the election was stolen ?

He said "It doesn't pass the smell test because we hear they're shredding thousands and thousands of ballots, and now what they're saying [is], 'Oh, we're just cleaning up the office.' You know."

In that he was now accusing Georgia Repubs of being part of the conspiracy against him. He points to video evidence of ballot counters tampering with results .

Does that sound like someone who is executing and elaborate fraud ?

Smith in the indictment points out that Trump sorta conceded that he lost . He points to interviews with historians in 2022 But that happened 2 years after the election and do not address his mindset on Jan 6 2021 . Certainly his law suits in the various states continued well past Jan 6.

What was his reaction to the interviews ?

"It seems to me that meeting with authors of the ridiculous number of books being written about my very successful administration, or me, is a total waste of time"'They write whatever they want to write anyway without sources, fact-checking, or asking whether or not an event is true or false.'

‘I didn’t win the election’: Trump admits defeat in session with historians | Books | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/05/trump-admits-election-defeat-historians-zelizer-princeton)

Does that sound like admitted anything? He also told the historians the election was "rigged".

For Smith to make their case against Trump ,the prosecution should be required to prove that Trump perpetrated a cunning and diabolical plot . They have to prove he did not believe what he was saying on January 6 .As I have said ;they may convince a zombie DC jury . But I doubt a conviction will surive appeal.

I don't like Trump and would much prefer someone else in the White House, but this whole legal process seems ridiculous. There were a lot of people who were convinced that the election was stolen, and considering the FBI colluded with social media companies in favor of Biden, it still seems to be a reasonable conclusion. It certainly has the smell of corruption in it.

I don't like Trump and would much prefer someone else in the White House,

He is stupid. He threatened Smith . On Truth Social he posted “If you go after me, I’m coming after you”


https://am11.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2023/08/Trump-truth-social-threat-IF-YOU-GO-AFTER-ME.jpg

So Jack Smith requested protection . Smith's motion states

All the proposed order seeks to prevent is the improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public. Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him. And in recent days, regarding this case, the defendant has issued multiple posts—either specifically or by implication—including the following, which the defendant posted just hours ago:

If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details—or, for example, grand jury transcripts—obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case.

Motion for Order of Protection Trump Trial | PDF | Discovery (Law) | Judiciaries (scribd.com) (https://www.scribd.com/document/663186345/Motion-for-Order-of-Protection-Trump-Trial)

Smith used Trump's stupid posting to request the judge to issue a restraining order about Trump possibly disclosing discovery material . (as I said 'discovery is a b*tch' But Trump is undermining the benefit to his defense).
Smith requested that ;

The defendant and defense counsel shall not disclose the Materials or their contents directly or indirectly to any person or entity other than persons employed to assist in the defense, persons who are interviewed as potential witnesses, counsel for potential witnesses, and other persons to whom the Court may authorize disclosure (collectively, “Authorized Persons”). Potential witnesses and their counsel may be shown copies of the Materials as necessary to prepare the defense, but they may not retain copies without prior permission of the Court.

Today Judge Chutkan ordered Trump’s team to file a response and their own version of a restraining order .

If Defendant disagrees with any portion of the government’s proposed Protective Order, ECF No. 10-1, his response shall include a revised version of that Protective Order with any modifications in redline


Trump's team asked to delay their response until Thursday. The judge declined his request .

Completely in line with his past behavior. He has never learned how to keep his mouth shut.

If politicians lying is now a criminal offense then we are going to need to build many new prisons.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F235gxxWAAAgqyV?format=webp&name=small

What we need is some sort of Constitutional guarantee for free speech.

gee I wish the framers thought of that !

I’ll speak to them about it.

Judge Tanya Chutkan has officially barred Trump from commenting on the corrupt political prosecutors and judges who are essentially preventing him to effectively campaigning .

He no longer can make comments about her , Special Counsel Jack Smith, their staff, and families, or saying anything that amounts to a “pre-trial smear campaign.”

I guess we should be thankful that she still allows him to say "crooked Joe" and to verbally attack Repubs at will.
Judge imposes gag order on Donald Trump in D.C. trial - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/judge-imposes-gag-order-on-donald-trump-in-d-c-trial-00121743)

Tomorrow is the 3rd anniversary of the mostly peaceful riot of January 6

Clueless Joe plans to start his campaign at Valley Forge comparing himself to George Washington ;and his fight for independence from Britain.

2,000 troops died during the Valley Forge winter . He will sh*t on their memory .
This attempt to comes after he failed to compare the events of Jan 6 with the attack on 9-11; Pearl Harbor ;OKC bombing and the Civil War combined .

I hate to tell him . If there is any comparison to the struggle for independence from UK it is Clueless who resembles the mentally challenged King George III

Clueless Joe plans to start his campaign at Valley Forge comparing himself to George WashingtonThus showing yet again that there are tens of millions of ignorant voters in America who will believe virtually anything.

It has now been confirmed that Trump wanted 10,000 National Guard Troops deployed in DC for his Jan 6 rally. His request was rejected by the DC Mayor

It is now revealed that
Liz Cheney suppressed this information during the Kangaroo court . She claimed there was no evidence of it.

But in truth the committee was told of it on January 28 ,2022 by Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato. The transcript of his interview ;with Cheney present ;has been released.

Chairman Loudermilk Publishes Never-Before Released Anthony Ornato Transcribed Interview - Press Releases - United States Committee on House Administration (https://cha.house.gov/2024/3/chairman-loudermilk-publishes-never-before-released-anthony-ornato-transcribed-interview)

Even a few hundred Capitol police officers would have been enough to have prevented the whole fiasco. Pelosi could have seen to that. Short of that, imagine what 500 Guardsmen would have prevented.

The Justice Dept has agreed to settle a $30 million lawsuit by the widower of Ashli Babbitt She was gunned down in cold blood by Capitol Police Lt Michael Byrd on Jan 6 . The agreement has yet to be finalized but it appears to be working it's way through the court . Byrd was cleared of any wrong doing.

Judge Ana Reyes is presiding over it . She was appointed by Clueless Joe to the DC Circus Court . Of note ;she has put a hold on the military ban of transformers .

Kind of hard to reconcile a 30 mil settlement, which sure seems to signal a major league illegal act, with the pretty much simultaneous act of clearing Lt Byrd.

oops did not mean to suggest that Byrd was recently cleared .

Here is when it happened

USCP Completes Internal Investigation into the January 6 Officer-Involved Shooting | United States Capitol Police (https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/uscp-completes-internal-investigation-january-6-officer-involved)