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tomder55
Nov 12, 2021, 06:49 AM
She's in France on a "charm offensive" and she actually had a press conference!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD_xVbrXsAIAxME?format=png&name=small

Quid sent her there to smooth ovet bad feelings after we knee capped France's sub deal with the Aussies.

jlisenbe
Nov 12, 2021, 06:52 AM
I don't guess anyone has heard anymore from Clete?

tomder55
Nov 12, 2021, 10:30 AM
not I

tomder55
Nov 15, 2021, 01:33 PM
1 wonder what the thinking was behind this Jen Baghdad Bob Psaki Sunday Night 9 PM tweet about Kam the Sham .

Jen Psaki on Twitter: "For anyone who needs to hear it. @VP is not only a vital partner to @POTUS but a bold leader who has taken on key, important challenges facing the country—from voting rights to addressing root causes of migration to expanding broadband." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1460070063025831936)

tomder55
Nov 15, 2021, 01:39 PM
maybe it has something to do with this

White House goes into damage control mode after reports of dysfunction in Kamala Harris' office - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/politics/kamala-harris-office-dynamics/index.html)

jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2021, 04:01 PM
Surprisingly, even with her wonderful record of achievement on the southern border [SARC], the public approval numbers of the VP have fallen now to 28%. The genuinely amazing aspect of that is how on earth they could find anyone with enough courage to admit that he or she actually approved of what we have seen so far from Ms. Harris. A key staff member resigned today.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-comms-director-resigns-growing-criticism-vp

tomder55
Nov 18, 2021, 04:55 PM
What she has to fall back on is the tradition of the office .Take the words of one of FDR's Veeps John Nance Garner, He called the Vice Presidency not worth a warm bucket of spit .

Go back to the first Veep John Adams . He wrote to his wife Abigail that my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived.

With the exception of VP Cheney ;most other Veeps have had basically 1 job .......waiting for the boss to croak .

When considering Kam the Sham in that context .........She is well qualified .

Wondergirl
Nov 18, 2021, 06:17 PM
If I were Veep, I would start all sorts of new endeavors and traditions and programs. What a wonderful opportunity for an energetic, empathetic, industrious woman!

tomder55
Nov 18, 2021, 06:22 PM
besides ;she is the best female Veep we have ever had


If I were Veep, I would start all sorts of new endeavors and traditions and programs. What a wonderful opportunity for an energetic, empathetic, industrious woman!

First she should attempt to successfully accomplish what the boss has tasked her to do,

Wondergirl
Nov 18, 2021, 06:30 PM
First she should attempt to successfully accomplish what the boss has tasked her to do,
Please list them, 1. 2. 3. etc.

jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2021, 08:11 PM
Please list them? As far as I know there’s only one. Fix the southern border. After visiting there for many minutes, she left with precisely nothing accomplished.


If I were Veep, I would start all sorts of new endeavors and traditions and programs. What a wonderful opportunity for an energetic, empathetic, industrious woman!Just what we need. With the country already afloat in debt, and a Biden admin convinced that printed money is the same as tax money, the last thing we need is an "energetic, sympathetic, industrious woman" coming up with new ways of spending money we don't have.

Wondergirl
Nov 18, 2021, 08:32 PM
Just what we need. With the country already afloat in debt, and a Biden admin convinced that printed money is the same as tax money, the last thing we need is an "energetic, sympathetic, industrious woman" coming up with new ways of spending money we don't have.
What, because I'm a woman??? I've been handling family financials throughout our marriage. No money problems here!

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 05:52 AM
What, because I'm a woman???What!? When did that happen!? <:

Perhaps it's because you're a woman who can't remember what she happily said just hours earlier. "If I were Veep, I would start all sorts of new endeavors and traditions and programs." All those, "new endeavors and traditions and programs" would cost money. Many women know these things. My wife certainly does, and I would rather hope you do as well, but that's hard to say.

Wondergirl
Nov 19, 2021, 09:30 AM
Perhaps it's because you're a woman who can't remember what she happily said just hours earlier. "If I were Veep, I would start all sorts of new endeavors and traditions and programs." All those, "new endeavors and traditions and programs" would cost money.
No. They. Wouldn't.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 10:33 AM
Yes. Of course not. It's like I told my wife. "Honey, I want to buy a new boat, but it's going to be free and not cost a thing!" Yeah, she didn't believe that. She has good sense.

If you really believe the feds start new programs that cost nothing, then I don't know how to help you.

Wondergirl
Nov 19, 2021, 10:39 AM
If you really believe the feds start new programs that cost nothing, then I don't know how to help you.
Figures. You won't ask, just slam.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
Sorry, but you don't start new programs for free. It's like believing the moon is made of cheese. But if you can point to any new federal program started in the past twenty years that cost nothing, then we can move forward from there.

tomder55
Nov 19, 2021, 11:07 AM
That is what Quid says about the $3 Trillion +++++++ Build Brandon Better plan . If Kam the Sham resigns or gets canned put you name in .

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 11:15 AM
What about me? I can do nothing every bit as well as she can. In fact, I might even be a little better at it considering my age.

tomder55
Nov 19, 2021, 11:24 AM
even worse . Rumor is that Quid wants to replace Kam the Sham and nominate her for a lifetime SCOTUS gig .

CNN is reporting that the Quid team has avoided dealing with her because they see “entrenched dysfunction and lack of focus” from her.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 11:27 AM
I think that would be a hard sell, especially with the red wave that seems to be coming next November and her lack of experience as a judge.

Even worse, he might replace her with another lib who actually intends to DO something. All things considered, perhaps KH doing nothing is the best possible scenario.

tomder55
Nov 19, 2021, 02:18 PM
She should've stayed in the Senate . Some Senators make a career of doing nothing . Makes me think back to this song from Lil Abner . Brilliant commentary .
(complete lyrics )


Them city folks and we-uns
Are pretty much alike
Though they ain't used to living in the sticks
We don't like stone or cement
But we is in agreement
When we get started talking politics

The country's in the very best of hands
The best of hands
The best of hands

The treasury says the national debt
Is climbing to the sky
And government expenditures
Have never been so high
It makes a fellow get a
Gleam of pride within his eye,
To see how our economy expands
The country's in the very best of hands

The country's in the very best of hands
The best of hands
The best of hands

You oughtta hear the senate
When they're drawing up a bill
Whereases and Towits are crowded in each codicil
Such legal terminology
Would give your heart a thrill
There's phrases there that no one understands
The country's in the very best of hands

The building boom, they say
Is getting bigger every day
And when I asked a feller
How could everybody pay
He come up with an answer
That made everything okay
Supplies are getting greater than demands
The country's in the very best of hands

Don't you believe them congressmen
And senators are dumb
When they run into problems
That is tough to overcome
They just declare a thing
They calls a moratorium
The upper and the lower house disbands
The country's in the very best of hands

The voters is connected to the nominee
The nominee's connected to the treasury
When he ain't connected to the treasury
He sits around on his thigh bone

He sits around in this place they got,
This big congressional parking lot
Just sits around on the you know what
Up there they calls 'em their thigh bone

Them bones, them bones
Gonna rise again
Gonna excercise a franchise again
Gonna tax us up to our eyes again
When he gets them off of their thigh bone

The country's in the very best of hands
The best of hands
The best of hands

The farm bill should be
Eight-nine percent parity
Another fellow recommends
It should be ninety-three.
But eighty, ninety-five percent who cares about degree
It's parity that no one understands
The country's in the very best of hands

Them GOP's and democrats
Each hates the other one
They's always criticizing
How the country should be run
But neither tell the public
What the others gone and done
As long as no one knows
Where no one stands
The country's in the very best of hands

They sits around in this place they're at,
Where folks in congress has always sat
Just sits around on their excess fat,
Up there they calls 'em their thigh bones

They sits around till they starts to snore
Jumps up and hollers
I has the floor
Then sits right down where they sats before
Up there they calls it their thigh bone

Them bones, them bones
Gonna rise again,
So dignified and so wise again
While the budget doubles in size again
When it gets them off of their thigh bone

The country's in the very best of hands
The best of hands
The best of hands

The money that they taxes us
That's known as revenue
They compound up collaterals
Subtracts the residue

Don't worry about the principal
And interest it incrues
They're shipping all that stuff to foreign lands

The country's in the very best of hands

The Country's In the Very Best of Hands - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwqPBlSxb-0)




here is a scary thought Quid had his annual physical exam today (no word if a cognitive test was included ) . For a brief moment in time ,Quid had to transfer Presidential authority (including the nuke codes ) to Kam the Sham.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 02:47 PM
The North Koreans missed their big chance.

Wondergirl
Nov 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
But if you can point to any new federal program started in the past twenty years that cost nothing, then we can move forward from there.
I'm not Veep. And yes, it's very possible.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 07:06 PM
Hmmm. Can't name one, can you? Silence speaks volumes.

Wondergirl
Nov 19, 2021, 07:11 PM
Hmmm. Can't name one, can you?
Yes, but you haven't encouraged the discussion, have merely spit.

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 07:17 PM
This is a recurring theme with you. You make a comment which you have no hope of backing up, and then you get mad when I call you on it. Why not try making some statements which you CAN support? Wouldn't that be much more sensible?

Wondergirl
Nov 19, 2021, 07:24 PM
This is a recurring theme with you. You make a comment which you have no hope of backing up, and then you get mad when I call you on it. Why not try making some statements which you CAN support? Wouldn't that be much more sensible?
Why not add to the discussion rather than create anger and ill will?

Why didn't you ask, "That sounds very interesting. What ideas do you have?"

jlisenbe
Nov 19, 2021, 07:37 PM
Why not add to the discussion and not create diversions?

Why didn't you reply, "I didn't express myself well. This is what I intended to say?"

tomder55
Nov 20, 2021, 05:50 AM
“If I were just 80 years old, if I was 15 years younger, I don’t believe I could undertake the duties I experienced when I was President.”

(Jimmy Carter )
Quid will be 82 in 2024.
That explains the Dem's panic .They know Kam the Sham is not up to the task. She was picked by Quid because he loves checking off boxes. She was the first Black; the first South Asian American ;female VP . 3 for 1 . (note she is not the 1st person of color to be VP That distinction goes to Charles Curtis ;VP to Herbert Hoover . He was a native American from the Kaw nation).
Baghdad Bob Jen Psaki noted the history of Kam the Sham being the 1st (take your pick) who was briefly acting President while Quid got his health rubber stamped .

But the sad reality is that as a candidate she was a disaster .Before she dropped out ,she came in last in the South Carolina primary where most of the Democrat voters are black . And her performance as Veep has left nothing to be desired . So ,unable to defend her ,the old standard charges of misogyny, of racism are spewed .


Please list them, 1. 2. 3. etc.
immigration root causes ; the border, the voting bills in Congress, which won’t pass. What she has perfected is the cacking laugh she uses when confronted .

If Quid had any sense left in his octogenarian skull ,he would dump Kam and select Tulsi Gabbard to serve for the remainder of his term .

jlisenbe
Nov 20, 2021, 06:00 AM
TG has publicly differed with JB too many times for him to select her, but she would be an improvement for sure.

tomder55
Nov 20, 2021, 06:07 AM
Unfortunately true. She is one of the few Democrats I could support .

jlisenbe
Nov 20, 2021, 06:13 AM
If she was pro-life, then I think she'd be a solid candidate.

tomder55
Nov 20, 2021, 06:41 AM
Pro-life Dems: they do exist - al.com (https://www.al.com/opinion/2020/12/pro-life-dems-they-do-exist.html)

jlisenbe
Nov 20, 2021, 06:49 AM
Gabbard co-sponsored Women's Health Protection ActCongressional summary:: Women's Health Protection Act: makes the following limitations concerning abortion services unlawful and prohibits their imposition or application by any government:


a requirement that a medical professional perform specific tests, unless generally required in the case of medically comparable procedures;
a limitation on an abortion provider's ability to delegate tasks;
a limitation on an abortion provider's ability to prescribe or dispense drugs based on her or his good-faith medical judgment;
a requirement or limitation concerning the physical plant, equipment, staffing, or hospital transfer arrangements;
a requirement that, prior to obtaining an abortion, a woman make medically unnecessary visits to the provider of abortion services or to any individual or entity that does not provide such services;
a prohibition or ban prior to fetal viability




Gabbard believes that abortion should remain legal and accessible.
She voted against a proposed ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Ban discrimination based on sexual preference, identity.
Gabbard has changed her position since she entered politics at age 21.
She was initially anti-abortion, or opposed to increased abortion access.


https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Tulsi_Gabbard_Abortion.htm

tomder55
Nov 20, 2021, 07:21 AM
You get what you can get . We have now had 3 Repub Presidents since Roe v Wade who were pro-life and we have had Republican majorities for some of those years ;and yet the needle has barely moved away from extreme abortion on demand . GWBush was as ideologically pure as they come ...and nothing changed .

So I have given up having an ideologically pure litmus test . I'll take the little victories as they come.

jlisenbe
Nov 20, 2021, 07:28 AM
If you consider 900,000 unborn deaths a year to be a moral tragedy, then little victories don't provide much comfort. I do get your point, however. Barring a major victory, then minor improvements are at least a move in the right direction, but I don't see myself ever voting for someone who is in favor of continued abortions, and that seems to be the position of TG.

tomder55
Dec 3, 2021, 04:57 AM
CNN noticed something is not quite right with Kam the Sham

What the heck is going on with Kamala Harris? - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/kamala-harris-symone-sanders-vp/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2qdQnj0jAbhoCDOw5PytuHTpD8aL 7LMpEKkoFXfSonmKB_apVuE7ZY674)

If the compliant press is reporting; it must mean that Clueless Joe is close to dumping her.

Kam the Sham made a wonderful campaign ad for the Republican campaign yesterday

Kamala "It's not right that families have to choose to either buy groceries or pay for healthcare" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVxEKAOr5rI)

jlisenbe
Dec 3, 2021, 06:17 AM
They might as well choose the healthcare. At last there is a supply of that. Groceries? In the Biden environment, that is less certain.

tomder55
Dec 7, 2021, 09:50 AM
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AARzc53.img?h=416&w=799&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

tomder55
Dec 11, 2021, 07:33 AM
“It’s clear that you’re not working with somebody who is willing to do the prep and the work .With Kamala you have to put up with a constant amount of soul-destroying criticism and also her own lack of confidence. So you’re constantly sort of propping up a bully and it’s not really clear why.”


That wasn't from a Fox hit piece or a quote from Tucker Carlson. That was from a former Kam the Sham staffer reported by the Compost .
Kamala Harris’s staff members leaving opens up questions about her management - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/04/kamala-harris-staff-departures/)

tomder55
Dec 19, 2021, 03:11 PM
This could be the lie of the year ....


“I’m not going to talk about our conversations, but I will tell you this without any ambiguity: We do not talk about nor have we talked about re-election, because we haven’t completed our first year and we’re in the middle of a pandemic,”

Kamala Harris Says She and Biden Haven’t Discussed Running for Re-Election in 2024 - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-interview-biden-re-election-2024-11639672990)

“I’ll be very honest: I don’t think about it, nor have we talked about it.”

Has to be right up there with Clueless' claims that he never talked about Hunter's business dealings with the Chinese .

jlisenbe
Dec 19, 2021, 05:35 PM
This comment by her was hilarious.


"I’m not going to talk about our conversations, but I will tell you this without any ambiguity: We do not talk about nor have we talked about reelection, because we haven’t completed our first year and we’re in the middle of a pandemic," Harris told The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-interview-biden-re-election-2024-11639672990?mod=politics_lead_pos1) in an interview Wednesday.First she says she's not going to talk about "our conversations", and then she proceeds to tell us about what they have not talked about.

tomder55
Dec 24, 2021, 01:59 PM
Kam the sham has figured out why she is unpopular. The NY Slimes reports:

Faced with declining approval ratings, a series of staff departures and a drumbeat of criticism from Republicans and the conservative news media, she has turned to powerful confidantes, including Hillary Clinton, to help plot a path forward.
Ms. Harris has privately told her allies that the news coverage of her would be different if she were any of her 48 predecessors, whom she has described as all white and male. (Charles Curtis, who served as vice president under Hoover, spoke proudly of his Native American ancestry.)

Kamala Harris’s Allies Express Concern: Is She an Afterthought? - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/us/politics/kamala-harris-biden-administration.html)

tomder55
Dec 26, 2021, 03:54 AM
When asked why she has not gone to the border ,even though she is the so called czar of the illegal immigration problem,she said she had never been to Europe either . Of course she later corrected both by going to the border about a thousand miles from where the problems are ;and she made a junket trip to France.

The administration keeps sending her out into the lion's den knowing she will fail .Even in the friendly confines of the ultra-lib media she flubs . Here is her meltdown when Charlamagne Tha God asked her if the President was Clueless or Joe Manchin.

"Come on, Charlamagne, come on. It's Joe Biden. No, no, no no, no,” “No. No. No. No. It’s Joe Biden, and don’t start talking like a Republican about asking whether or not he’s president. ”And it’s Joe B-, Joe B-, Joe Biden, and I’m vice president, and my name is Kamala Harris” . “And the reality is because we are in office, we do … the things like the child tax credit which is going to reduce Black child poverty by 50 percent.”

This happened after an aide rushed in knowing that Harris would screw up the response .

She get's called out by the lib talking head punditry here.

Kamala Harris FLUSTERED By Simple Question From Charlamagne Tha God - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_gzqyolFGc)

jlisenbe
Dec 26, 2021, 07:48 AM
the child tax credit which is going to reduce Black child poverty by 50 percent.”Two questions. 1. Where will the money come from to do this? Will it be printed or borrowed? 2. Why wouldn't we encourage the formation of two parent families which would do more to solve the problem of black child poverty (not to mention all child poverty) than any government program?

tomder55
Dec 27, 2021, 05:33 AM
From her Face the Nation interview :


MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you see is the biggest national security challenge confronting the U.S.? What is the thing that worries you and keeps you up at night?
VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS: Frankly, one of them is our democracy. And that I can talk about because that's not classified. It really does. I-I- there is I think no question in the minds of people who are foreign policy experts that the year 2021 is not the year 2000. You know, I think there's so much about foreign and domestic policy that, for example, was guided and prioritized based on Sept 11, 2001. And we are embarking on a- a new era where the threats to our nation take many forms, including the threat of autocracies taking over and having outsized influence around the world. And so I go back to our- our point about the need to fight for the integrity of our democracy. In addition, it is obviously about what we need to do in the climate crisis. We just did the meetings around COP and recognizing- you know, some used to laugh and say how can you say that the climate crisis is about national security? Well, of course it is. And I can go through the details of why. But what we must do then in- in the face of any and all threats is recognize that one of our greatest strengths is to strengthen our relationship with our allies and partners around the world. And that has been one of the highest priorities of our administration. It has been to re-enter, for example, the Paris Agreement. It has been to-to do the work of working with our European allies. It is the work of building back the trust that is necessary for us to be a member of- of- of a community of nations that share values and priorities. And I think one of the greatest threats that we saw recently is that when we pull out of the- those relationships, we weaken our standing as a nation and therefore weaken, I believe, our security.




Full transcript: Vice President Kamala Harris on "Face the Nation," December 26, 2021 - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-vice-president-kamala-harris-face-the-nation-12-26-2021/)

Not China, Russia, Iran, cyber attacks ,hypersonic weapons .No ,American democracy and climate change are the threats that keep her up at night. What does she mean by calling out American democracy as a threat ? She means Trump .She means laws that would protect the integrity of the vote . As for climate change ;the biggest threat is laws and regulations enacted that purport to combat climate change .

She was given one foreign policy task by Clueless. It was some vague discovery mission to address "root causes " of illegal immigration. She went to Guatemala on a junket and did a quick photo 0p at the border 1,000 miles from where border crossings are the biggest issue.
She can't handle the border crisis but we are to believe she has a clue about other foreign policy challenges ?

jlisenbe
Dec 27, 2021, 07:37 AM
She is living up to our expectations. She is a perfect example of a person who was pretty good in some much smaller capacity in government, but has now been put on a stage where she does not belong.

tomder55
Dec 27, 2021, 12:29 PM
Let's go Brandina

jlisenbe
Dec 27, 2021, 12:36 PM
I have to admit, that one made me laugh out loud.

jlisenbe
Jan 4, 2022, 03:48 PM
Yet more evidence of the remarkable efficiency of VP Harris in her actions concerning the southern border crisis.


Arizona mayor says city is 'overwhelmed' with border crisis as migrant encounters surge 2,405%

https://www.foxnews.com/media/arizona-mayor-says-city-is-overwhelmed-with-border-crisis-as-migrant-encounters-surge-2405

jlisenbe
Jan 5, 2022, 06:04 AM
More bad news for Harris/Biden.




Harris hit an historic low approval rating of 28%, even lower than Cheney's all-time worst.

This is even with the active support of most of the media.

https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harriss-approval-rating-falls-152326444.html

talaniman
Jan 5, 2022, 09:07 AM
Bad as we need willing workers we still turn away way too many of them.

jlisenbe
Jan 5, 2022, 10:29 AM
The people we have would be willing if we would stop paying them to be unwilling.

talaniman
Jan 5, 2022, 10:41 AM
Cheap labor has a high price, and I know few wiling to be volunteer slaves anymore. Most benefits have run out, and people are still quitting at a record pace.

jlisenbe
Jan 6, 2022, 03:35 AM
How are these people who are quitting managing to support themselves?

tomder55
Jan 6, 2022, 05:36 AM
I need to see the demographic breakdown . I have no doubt that there is something called the great resignation underway . But ,in some cases like mine this resignation was planned for 30 years . Those of us at retirement age constitute the largest generation in the nation's history . What we have done since 1973 is effectively execute a large percentage of the replacement workforce . We also practiced birth control which further reduced the number of replacement workers . We are going to see how that decision on our part puts a heavy strain on the entitlement ponzi scheme .

tomder55
Jan 7, 2022, 05:53 AM
Birth control is being practiced more than ever since covid began. In the long run, the baby bust will further shrink the world’s labor force.

talaniman
Jan 7, 2022, 09:29 AM
I need to see the demographic breakdown . I have no doubt that there is something called the great resignation underway . But ,in some cases like mine this resignation was planned for 30 years . Those of us at retirement age constitute the largest generation in the nation's history . What we have done since 1973 is effectively execute a large percentage of the replacement workforce . We also practiced birth control which further reduced the number of replacement workers . We are going to see how that decision on our part puts a heavy strain on the entitlement ponzi scheme .

I think many have found better jobs or changed what's important in their lives but we've known for decades that our generation Tom would get old. Kind of obvious.


Birth control is being practiced more than ever since covid began. In the long run, the baby bust will further shrink the world’s labor force.

LOL, that may be true of white folks but the people of color population is growing quite rapidly.

jlisenbe
Jan 7, 2022, 10:49 AM
Black births have not increased since 1970. Black abortions, on the other hand, have increased considerably, especially relative to live births. I'm sure that brings great joy to the KKK. It should break the hearts of everyone else. Abortions in general, and white abortions in particular, have been plummeting since 1980.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html

tomder55
Jan 7, 2022, 11:22 AM
Black abortions, on the other hand, have increased considerably, especially relative to live births. I'm sure that brings great joy to the KKK.

The ghost of another bigot ,Margaret Sanger is very happy .

tomder55
Jan 7, 2022, 06:02 PM
Kam the Sham made the malaise admission yesterday. Took Jimmy C 3 years to make that speech but the Clueless regime has used it in less than a year .

PBS NewsHour on Twitter: "VP Kamala Harris tells @JudyWoodruff that she knows many have reached "a level of malaise" nearly two years into the pandemic. "We want to get back to normal," but we must do the work of "pushing through with solutions ... let's meet the challenges where they are," she said. https://t.co/ebQxVGRL84" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1479232562224668677?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1479232562224668677%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2 Fvp-kamala-harris-admits-a-level-of-malaise-in-us-over-covid-gets-compared-to-jimmy-carter)

Wondergirl
Jan 7, 2022, 06:07 PM
Kam the Sham made the malaise admission yesterday. Took Jimmy C 3 years to make that speech but the Clueless regime has used it in less than a year .
If YOU were the VP during a pandemic, what would you say and when?

tomder55
Jan 7, 2022, 06:26 PM
I would not use the word malaise to describe America ever .

Wondergirl
Jan 7, 2022, 06:47 PM
I would not use the word malaise to describe America ever .
Malaise isn't forever, and as VP you have ideas for a remedy.

From Merriam-Webster:
malaise -- a problem or condition that harms or weakens a group, society, etc.

jlisenbe
Jan 7, 2022, 07:32 PM
If YOU were the VP during a pandemic, what would you say and when?Perhaps something encouraging? "We've been through difficulties before, and we'll come out of this as well. Let's band together and fight our way through!"

Note: The word "fight" was meant to be taken metaphorically.

Wondergirl
Jan 7, 2022, 07:51 PM
Perhaps something encouraging? "We've been through difficulties before, and we'll come out of this as well. Let's band together and fight our way through!"

Note: The word "fight" was meant to be taken metaphorically.
Fight how? (That's what the vax and mask mandates are all about -- fighting the pandemic.)

tomder55
Jan 8, 2022, 05:11 AM
The word is toxic when describing the futility of the Administration and the mood the nation is in. Maybe the compliant press will let the Clueless crew skate . But the mood is there and real. Less than a year in most of the nation wants them gone .

jlisenbe
Jan 8, 2022, 06:43 AM
But the mood is there and real. Less than a year in most of the nation wants them gone.That's the irony of KH's comment.

talaniman
Jan 8, 2022, 10:58 AM
The same feelings the country had for the dufus for most of his administration.

jlisenbe
Jan 8, 2022, 12:05 PM
Not even close.

Wondergirl
Jan 8, 2022, 12:21 PM
A columnist in one of today's Chicago newspapers writes that he wonders "how many [of the sorehead minority] are prepared to drop the remote, clamber out of the recliner, and take up arms whenever Tucker Carlson says it's time. Given the advanced age of the Fox News demographic, I'm confident that the great majority of would-be warriors--like Trump himself--mean to follow the action on TV."

tomder55
Jan 8, 2022, 12:49 PM
evidently there are plenty of those recliner warriors. Fox News is home to seven of the 10 most watched cable news shows of 2021.MSNBC has 3 of them with Rachel Madcow leading that declining demographic .

Wondergirl
Jan 8, 2022, 01:19 PM
MSNBC has 3 of them with Rachel Madcow leading that declining demographic .
The watchers are declining in number because Joy and Rachel now read very fast and boringly off a teleprompter and no longer have guests like they used to. Lawrence is still my MSNBC hero with his conversational delivery and interesting guests.

tomder55
Jan 8, 2022, 02:42 PM
I don't watch any of the pundits that pretend to be news anchors. Bret Baier's prime time news is the only news show I bother turning on except for local news on occasion. I have tuned into others on occasion like Madcow and Tucker . Their take on the news is predictable and nothing I haven't thought of already . I do listen to the John Batchelor podcast when I have some free time. He has an NPR type interview program that is more entertaining than anything on television.

The John Batchelor Show (audioboom.com) (https://audioboom.com/channel/johnbatchelor)

Wondergirl
Jan 8, 2022, 03:02 PM
I don't watch any of the pundits that pretend to be news anchors.
Commentators, not news anchors.

jlisenbe
Jan 8, 2022, 05:21 PM
I read some on the Foxnews website. Don't really watch any of them. When the lib news sites, which is most of them, refused to cover the Hunter Biden hard drive story as what certainly seemed to be a favor to his dad, that finished them for me.

Athos
Jan 9, 2022, 02:25 AM
Bret Baier's prime time news is the only news show I bother turning on

That's precisely your problem and why you're so ill-informed.

Try watching the shows that PROVE what the Republican/Trumpites are up to. They do this by videos and interviews that show the right-wing IN THEIR OWN WORDS exactly what they're doing and saying. It's no mystery.

There's no shame anymore attached to admitting, for example, that the Jan 6 insurrection was not what it seemed. This a few short weeks after these same people condemned Trump for it. Look it up - it's all there for you to watch.

Even Trump's Fox Network couldn't avoid admitting the truth. If you missed Tucker making Ted Cruz grovel and beg for forgiveness, you aren't paying attention.

For you historians out there, it's uncanny to see how the US is following the path of the 1930's fascists. More on that at another time.

tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 03:41 AM
Try watching the shows that PROVE what the Republican/Trumpites are up to.

<sarc>yeah that's balanced broadcasting .</sarc>



There's no shame anymore attached to admitting, for example, that the Jan 6 insurrection was not what it seemed.

exactly ;open your mind IT was NOT what the Dems claim it was



Even Trump's Fox Network couldn't avoid admitting the truth. If you missed Tucker making Ted Cruz grovel and beg for forgiveness, you aren't paying attention.

even you can see that Fox is more balanced than the TDS drones you tune into


For you historians out there, it's uncanny to see how the US is following the path of the 1930's fascists. More on that at another time.

more projection


It is the left that undermines democracy
I listened to Clueless;Kam the Sham, and Eric Swalwell (who's lover was a Chinese spy and still he remains a key member of the Madam Mim coalition) shameful over the top rants this week setting up the midterms as the most important election ever because the Repubs are trying to destroy democracy in the country . That was more obvious projection since it is the Dems at least since 2016 that have undermined democracy in the country .

It is most likely before then but I'll start with 2016 ;the year the emperor's Justice Department colluded with the Evita campaign and a Russian asset embedded in the Brookings Institute named Igor Danchenko ,to conduct espionage operations against the Republican candidate Trump. Danchenko authored the Steele dossier lies that was then presented to the FBI .The FBI used the dossier as a tool to con the FISA court to issue surveillance warrants against Trump and his campaign,
This was the equivalent of Watergate without the physical break in.

Trump won anyway which really set their hair on fire. First the Dems did exactly what Trump did . They challenged the electors in Congress.It is part of the process. But when Trump did it he was accused of undermining democracy. Then the balance of Trump's presidency was spent attempting a bloodless coup against him .At the same time the Dems unleashed their shock troops into the streets to riot . But only when a handful of Trump supporters riot is it called an insurrection. Kam the Sham went so far as to raise funds for the rioters that were arrested . The Dems cheered the violent arsonist goons on.

The Dems then used covid as a pretext to install unconstitutional changes to key state's election systems that favored the Dem candidate . Some of these unilateral, lawless changes occurred well after voting had begun.

As an example ,Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar of PA waited until 8:38 p.m. on election night to direct county officials to return erroneous mail in ballots to voters, so they could "cure" and re-submit them.

In key battle ground states Dems suspended the counts long enough so that the red districts could be counted and submitted so they would know exactly how many votes they needed to manufacture to ensure a Clueless victory .A counting room at Atlanta’s State Farm Arena was cleared at 10:30 p.m. so election officials could "retire" for the evening. But after journalists and Repub poll watchers were sent home, surveillance cameras caught poll workers removing boxes from beneath a covered table and placing the hidden ballots into counting machines until 1:00 a.m But the Dems say this was the most honest election ever .
In Detroit GOP watchers were kicked out to be replaced by people wearing BLM shirts . The windows were covered in cardboard so no one could observe the count . But the Dems say this was the most honest election ever .In Georgia and Pennsylvania Repub poll watchers were barred from counting rooms or kept too distant to verify counts and inspect absentee ballot signatures.But the Dems say this was the most honest election ever . In Georgia where a probe into illegal ballot harvesting is underway ,key video evidence that monitored temporary covid related drop boxes has been erased by election officials in Fulton County ;home to Atlanta and other Dem strong holds.Federal law says they have to be retained for 22 months after an election . But the Dems say this was the most honest election ever .

And now the Dems want to scrap a fundamental check and balance in the Senate ,the filibuster so they can ram through unconstitutional election laws that would indeed destroy" what Kam the Sham says is "the right to have our future decided the way the Constitution prescribes it,"

So while the Dems destroy the pillar of democracy ;the vote ,they accuse the Repubs of doing exactly what they are doing ....classic projection.

Athos
Jan 10, 2022, 01:47 AM
<sarc>yeah that's balanced broadcasting .</sarc>

Exactly! Broadcasting video and the actual words of Trump Republicans is a definition of "balanced". I don't rely on sarcasm - just the truth.


exactly ;open your mind IT was NOT what the Dems claim it was

You're confused. It's what the FACTS claim it was. Facts based on videos, and the spoken and written word from Trump Republicans. And Trump himself.


even you can see that Fox is more balanced

The rare times when Fox is balanced is based on the times the facts are so obvious, even Fox can't deny them. Then there's the law suits against Fox for falsifying the election results, and the lawsuits from former Fox employees.

You can't deny it, tomder. The GOP is gone and has been replaced by the cult of Trump. The Republican politicians prefer their sinecures rather than their country. The leadership is a disgrace. The rank and file Trump voters are primarily Bible-totin' white evangelicals who treat Trump like the Second Coming. Bizarre? You bet!

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 02:04 AM
evidently you have missed the inroads the Repubs have made in key demographics like the Hispanic vote and Blacks .Clueless Joe,Kam the Sham , and the extreme radical lefty shift by the Dems will accelerate that trend.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 05:34 AM
74 million Americans voted for Trump . I guess there are 74 million "Bible-totin' white evangelicals who treat Trump like the Second Coming. ".

Of course ,like you ,Clueless demonized almost half the electorate on 9/6/22.
There were about at most 80,000 people at the rally last year ;and perhaps a few of thousand who marched to the Capitol and even fewer were stupid enough to enter .Most of those idiot <sarc> armed insurrectionists </sarc> walked around the Capitol taking selfies and at most smoked a joint before leaving, not even aware they had broken any laws at all.

Clueless must think there were 74 million who attacked the Capitol ,wearing buffalo horned hats and carrying dangerous MAGA flag polls . He ,like you ,lumped all of Trump supporters together to demonize them. He like you thinks the only way Repubs can win is by suppressing the vote . He will be in for a shocker come November .

His inflaming rhetoric is a far cry from the so called healer of the nation he claimed to be in the campaign. But just like his claims of being a moderate ;that was a lie . His speech was as much throwing red meat to the CNN dwindling base as Trump's addresses were to his base .Clueless Joe;s policies ? Crumbs to the pigeons .

My take from his address was that he was more engaged than he has been his whole Presidency. What did they do .......inject speedo into his veins ? He should show such passion in being the leader of the nation instead of taking a third of his first year on vacation, fully masked alone on the beach with his dog. I guess being engaged for a single day was not too taxing . He has the rest of the year to sleep it off.

jlisenbe
Jan 10, 2022, 05:43 AM
But just like his claims of being a moderate ;that was a lie . You must remember the rules here. If Trump lies, then it's time to sound the alarm bells. If a liberal dem lies, then just turn over and go back to sleep.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 05:45 AM
You know a lib dem lies when they open their mouth

Athos
Jan 10, 2022, 07:16 AM
74 million Americans voted for Trump . I guess there are 74 million "Bible-totin' white evangelicals who treat Trump like the Second Coming. ".

The number of white evangelicals who voted for Trump is 44-45 million votes out of 74 million for Trump - 61%. Some figures put the white evangelical percentage at 67% of the total Trump vote. No matter how you slice it, the white evangelicals are by far the largest demographic voting for Trump.


a few of thousand (who) marched to the Capitol and even fewer were stupid enough to enter

The stupid enough who stormed the Capitol were 2,000+, not all Trump supporters you claim I "lumped together" to demonize them.


.Most of those idiot <sarc> armed insurrectionists </sarc> walked around the Capitol taking selfies and at most smoked a joint before leaving, not even aware they had broken any laws at all.

Did you type this with a straight face?

Have you seen any of the dozens of videos that show the insurrectionists climbing the walls, fighting with the police with pepper sprays, flagpoles, fists, beating some to the ground, causing 5 deaths among the police, terrifying members of Congress as they screamed "Hang Mike Pence" (and Nancy Pelosi), trashing the seat of US government and the offices inside, and terrorizing anybody they didn't like?

Did you really think it was tourists taking selfies?

Tomder, if you want a discussion (which I'm starting to doubt) please don't post absurdities like you did above and that no laws were broken. (That the rioters were aware of).



He (Biden) ,like you ,lumped all of Trump supporters together to demonize them.

I did no such thing. I clearly numbered the insurrectionists at 2,000+.


He like you thinks the only way Repubs can win is by suppressing the vote

No, I don't think that. What DOES worry me is how the Republicans are setting up the state legislatures to be the final arbiter of the electoral college votes. As a conservative, you can't possibly be in favor of that.

As to the rest of your screed below, the hysteria is there for all to see. Hysteria never supports a reasoned position, it does the opposite - destroys any credibility you might have had.


. He will be in for a shocker come November .

His inflaming rhetoric is a far cry from the so called healer of the nation he claimed to be in the campaign. But just like his claims of being a moderate ;that was a lie . His speech was as much throwing red meat to the CNN dwindling base as Trump's addresses were to his base .Clueless Joe;s policies ? Crumbs to the pigeons .

My take from his address was that he was more engaged than he has been his whole Presidency. What did they do .......inject speedo into his veins ? He should show such passion in being the leader of the nation instead of taking a third of his first year on vacation, fully masked alone on the beach with his dog. I guess being engaged for a single day was not too taxing . He has the rest of the year to sleep it off.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 01:42 PM
elector slates are chosen prior to elections by statute. That can't be changed so your worries are unwarranted and over the top fear mongering .Had any state legislature attempted to seat a different slate than what the November election determined ,it would've been slapped down silly . The selection process, including any disputes, must be completed at least six days prior to the meeting of electors. That process happened and the electors chose Sleepless Joe on Dec 14.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 01:50 PM
Have you seen any of the dozens of videos that show the insurrectionists climbing the walls, fighting with the police with pepper sprays, flagpoles, fists, beating some to the ground, causing 5 deaths among the police, terrifying members of Congress as they screamed "Hang Mike Pence" (and Nancy Pelosi), trashing the seat of US government and the offices inside, and terrorizing anybody they didn't like?

Dozens yes that is about right . Most of the rest were let in to the Rotunda by the Capitol police ..They were like dogs that chase cars . They had no idea what to do if they caught one . So they milled around taking selfies . How do you think the FBI captured 700 of them ? The FBI checked out their Instagram pages. The idiots posted their selfies ! Would someone who was knowingly committing a crime do that ?

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 02:11 PM
The number of white evangelicals who voted for Trump is 44-45 million votes out of 74 million for Trump - 61%. Some figures put the white evangelical percentage at 67% of the total Trump vote. No matter how you slice it, the white evangelicals are by far the largest demographic voting for Trump.

Trump picked up percentages of the vote for every demographic except white men . Your figures would have every white who voted for Trump as an evangelical.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 02:21 PM
He should show such passion in being the leader of the nation instead of taking a third of his first year on vacation, fully masked alone on the beach with his dog. I guess being engaged for a single day was not too taxing . He has the rest of the year to sleep it off.

By the end of October ,Clueless spent 108 of 276 days away from the White House . He treats the Presidency as a 9-5 ,5 days a week job including a half day on Fridays
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jlisenbe
Jan 10, 2022, 02:53 PM
Your figures would have every white who voted for Trump as an evangelical.Yep. That's kind of doubtful. Of course it would nice if it was true, but...

Athos
Jan 10, 2022, 05:58 PM
By the end of October ,Clueless spent 108 of 276 days away from the White House .

On the nation's business, unlike Trump who slept late and watched TV all day with his Happy Meal from Mickey D's. Trump famously spent more time golfing than his predecessor who Trump roundly criticized for golfing.


Your figures would have every white who voted for Trump as an evangelical.

They're not my figures, they are the figures of several polling organizations. Google them. You can google, can't you?


Dozens yes that is about right . Most of the rest were let in to the Rotunda by the Capitol police ..They were like dogs that chase cars . They had no idea what to do if they caught one . So they milled around taking selfies . How do you think the FBI captured 700 of them ? The FBI checked out their Instagram pages. The idiots posted their selfies ! Would someone who was knowingly committing a crime do that ?

Dozens of VIDEOS! THOUSANDS of insurrectionists!

Have you seen any of the dozens of videos that show the insurrectionists climbing the walls, fighting with the police with pepper sprays, flagpoles, fists, beating some to the ground, causing 5 deaths among the police, terrifying members of Congress as they screamed "Hang Mike Pence" (and Nancy Pelosi), trashing the seat of US government and the offices inside, and terrorizing anybody they didn't like?


elector slates are chosen prior to elections by statute. That can't be changed so your worries are unwarranted and over the top fear mongering .Had any state legislature attempted to seat a different slate than what the November election determined ,it would've been slapped down silly . The selection process, including any disputes, must be completed at least six days prior to the meeting of electors. That process happened and the electors chose Sleepless Joe on Dec 14.

You haven't been paying attention. Try some other channels besides Bret Baier.

No, I don't think that. What DOES worry me is how the Republicans are setting up the state legislatures to be the final arbiter of the electoral college votes. As a conservative, you can't possibly be in favor of that.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 06:22 PM
No, I don't think that. What DOES worry me is how the Republicans are setting up the state legislatures to be the final arbiter of the electoral college votes

Not happening Show me the specific proposal besides the musings of Mark Levin's fantasies

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 06:27 PM
you know what concerns me ? Your new mayor signing off on a city council plan to allow illegals and non-citizens to vote in the city .

jlisenbe
Jan 10, 2022, 07:48 PM
white evangelicals who voted for Trump is 44-45 million votes out of 74 million for Trump - 61%.I know how to google. Only 14% of Americans identify as white evangelicals. That works out to about 45 million people. Only 80% of white evangelicals who voted did so for Trump. It is obvious that not all of the 45 million even voted to begin with, so clearly a figure of 44-45 million white evangelicals voting for Trump would not seem to be possible.

https://religionnews.com/2020/11/05/exit-polls-show-few-changes-in-the-religious-vote/

https://www.quora.com/In-2020-84-of-self-identified-white-Evangelicals-voted-for-Trump-Who-should-worry-most-that-the-percentage-of-whites-identifying-as-Evangelicals-has-dropped-from-23-in-2006-to-14-in-2020-and-this-group-is-older-on

Athos
Jan 11, 2022, 04:43 PM
Not happening Show me the specific proposal besides the musings of Mark Levin's fantasies

Republican legislators in swing states have argued that legislatures should have the final say over certifying election results. The states in question are usually swing states. No reason to bother with heavily red or blue states - just the close states.

Here's a sampling:

ARIZONA

Republicans proposed a law to allow a majority vote of the Legislature to revoke the secretary of state’s certification of a presidential elector’s certificate of the election. The Secretary of State, a Democrat, said that such a law would, in effect, eliminate the presidential election. The session ended before a vote could be taken. Then the Republicans announced that the power to defend election lawsuits would be taken from the Secretary of State and given to the Attorney General, a Republican.

PENNSYLVANIA

Republican lawmakers proposed withdrawing certification of Biden's win and appointing its own electors instead. Cooler heads prevailed and the proposal was shot down.

WISCONSIN

Republican members of Wisconsin’s state Assembly attempted to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College results. The plaintiffs asked the court to give state legislatures final approval over election results.

The judge ruled against the plaintiffs saying it was an obvious misinterpretation of the Constitution. He later suggested sanctioning the attorney for bringing the case.

Among others states trying to subvert the election process are Arkansas and Georgia.

This is election subversion," Biden said. "It’s the most dangerous threat to voting and the integrity of free and fair elections in our history. Never before have they decided who gets to count ... what votes count.

The Republican leadership, state and federal, continues to do its best to damage the democratic process in favor of an autocracy. They do this WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE they know exactly what they are doing.

tomder55
Jan 11, 2022, 05:01 PM
so in other words ;in no case were the electors that were selected before the election removed ;and there is no legislation in state legislatures that would reverse the reality that elector slate are set BEFORE the elections .

jlisenbe
Jan 11, 2022, 05:17 PM
The number of white evangelicals who voted for Trump is 44-45 million votes out of 74 million for Trump - 61%. At least we now know that this was not accurate.

talaniman
Jan 12, 2022, 03:55 AM
36 million is 80% of 45 million while we nit pick. The real question is the far right racist voters repubs court by scaring the crap out of them with the rise of the colored people and immigrants in places they object to like a Starbucks.

Athos
Jan 12, 2022, 05:31 AM
so in other words ;in no case were the electors that were selected before the election removed ;and there is no legislation in state legislatures that would reverse the reality that elector slate are set BEFORE the elections .

No "other words" about it. It is exactly what I originally said - the attempts of Republican legislators to change how the president is elected. They have not yet been successful but they will continue to try to change our democracy to an autocracy by rigging the presidential election.

As previously stated, conservatives, presumably yourself, should be horrified at such un-democratic behavior.


36 million is 80% of 45 million while we nit pick. The real question is the far right racist voters repubs court by scaring the crap out of them with the rise of the colored people and immigrants in places they object to like a Starbucks.

Good point.

The number of white evangelicals is not agreed upon. It can go from 14% to 37% depending on who is counting.

tomder55
Jan 12, 2022, 05:34 AM
Again you have no evidence that the Republicans are trying to change the laws about how electors are selected before election day. On the other hand Clueless in an attempt to create a one party Democrat dictatorship wants to destroy long standing Senate rules to unconstitutionally change how America votes is every election . All Americans should be horrified at that prospect

talaniman
Jan 12, 2022, 06:37 AM
Again you have no evidence that the Republicans are trying to change the laws about how electors are selected before election day. On the other hand Clueless in an attempt to create a one party Democrat dictatorship wants to destroy long standing Senate rules to unconstitutionally change how America votes is every election . All Americans should be horrified at that prospect

Apologies in advance for the inability to post links but a simple google search of repubs forging elector documents and submitting them to the National Archives (REJECTED of course) should also reveal they replaced repub electors that refused to go along with this illegal scheme in so far 5 SWING states. Maddow did a show on this last night also. Enough EVIDENCE?

tomder55
Jan 13, 2022, 10:52 AM
NBC News' Craig Melvin : "The 500 million tests that have been ordered that are going to be sent to every American, do we know when those are going out?

Kam the Sham : "Shortly. They're going to go out shortly,"

Melvin :"Next week?"

Kam the Sham :"They've been ordered. They've been ordered. We – I have to look at the current information. I think it's going to be by next week. But soon. Absolutely soon. And it is a matter of urgency for us,"

Melvin : "Should we have done that sooner?"

Kam the Sham : "We are doing it,"

Melvin :"But should we have done it sooner?"

Kam the Sham:"We are doing it,"

Clueless promised 500 million tests for January. It is not likely that they will meet that goal until the threat of Omnicron is well past . Herd immunity anyone ?

Curlyben
Jan 13, 2022, 11:43 AM
/puts broom away

Athos
Jan 13, 2022, 12:05 PM
>Personal remarks removed<

Since I posted, the news has several Republican allies FORGING elector slates and sending them to government agencies. The forged documents declared Trump the winner. The states are Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia, New Mexico and Wisconsin.

Details here:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/politics/trump-overturn-2020-election-fake-electoral-college/index.html

tomder55
Jan 13, 2022, 12:49 PM
key part of your link these rogue slates of electors didn't have the backing of any elected officials in the seven states -- like a governor or secretary of state, who are involved in certifying election results -- and they served no legitimate purpose.......In truth, no state actually had two slates of competing electors.

talaniman
Jan 13, 2022, 02:24 PM
Begs the question though of who forged the documents and why? Is it a crime to engage in such conduct or not?

tomder55
Jan 13, 2022, 05:06 PM
I left out the money quote :

"it’s time for us to do what we have been doing and that time is every day"

talaniman
Jan 13, 2022, 07:05 PM
DOJ just indicted 11 Oathkeepers including the leader for sedition. Sounds serious folks. Sorry no links yet. 8(

tomder55
Jan 14, 2022, 04:32 AM
Sedition charges . I think that is a bridge too far.


But they will probably face convictions of conspiracy to incitement .

A bit of trivia . A Puerto Rican terrorists Oscar Lopez Rivera who orchestrated a bombing campaign in the 1970s -80s that left dozens of people dead and maimed . He spent 35 years in prison before the emperor commuted his sentence.

Also The Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, and nine followers were convicted in 1995 of seditious conspiracy and other charges in a plot to blow up the United Nations, the FBI’s building, and two tunnels and a bridge linking New York and New Jersey. He croaked in jail .

talaniman
Jan 14, 2022, 07:26 AM
Croaking in jail sounds good for those Okies.

tomder55
Jan 15, 2022, 02:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJJGmFZXEAUwYaP?format=jpg&name=small

jlisenbe
Jan 15, 2022, 08:37 PM
You have to admit. KH can certainly say some, shall we say, "unique" things.

tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 04:50 AM
She is now in the Dan Quayle spell potato area .
How could that be ? She is the daughter of 2 professors . She was elected AG of Kalifornia .She was elected Senator of Kalifornia . She is a heartbeat away from replacing the sitting dementia challenged President . Yet it is becoming clear as more of her aides defect that she is deficient of grey matter .

Or maybe she is just in a different plane of reality .

Veep Thoughts With Kamala Harris - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr-mfXT-VH0)

Kamala Harris says "220 million Americans" died from coronavirus. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjSsHIA4LaU)

jlisenbe
Jan 16, 2022, 06:27 AM
With 220 million dead from Covid, there ought to be plenty of jobs left for those of us who have survived. I'm a tougher ole bird than I thought I was!

jlisenbe
Jan 16, 2022, 06:53 AM
In the meantime, Sotomayor has joined with KH in the great crusade for truth. Her figure of children hospitalized was only off by about 3,000%.


“We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators,” Sotomayor claimed.

The current number of confirmed pediatric hospitalizations with Covid in the U.S. is 3,342, according to data (https://healthdata.gov/dataset/COVID-19-Reported-Patient-Impact-and-Hospital-Capa/6xf2-c3ie) from the Department of Health and Human Services released on Friday.

https://news.yahoo.com/sotomayor-falsely-claims-100-000-185529971.html

Evidently numbers have become difficult. Biden had this mishap some months ago.


Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden misspoke Wednesday, saying that over 6,000 members of the US military have died from the novel coronavirus.
"Military COVID infected: 118,984. Military COVID deaths: 6,114. Folks, every one of these lives mattered," Biden said at a campaign stop in the state of Michigan.
The actual number of cases in the military is 40,026 and seven members have died from the disease, according to the Defense Department.
His figure of deaths was only off by a factor of nearly a thousand. Talk about inflation!!

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/biden-misstates-covid-19-death-toll-for-us-military/1968501

tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 07:07 AM
A little embellishment never harmed anyone.

Justice Breyer made the claim in the oral arguments that there had been '750 million new cases in the US reported yesterday ' .

Justice Kagan's lie was less apparent. She said workers “have to get vaccinated so that you’re not transmitting the disease that can kill elderly Medicare patients, that can kill sick Medicaid patients. I mean, that seems like a pretty basic infection prevention measure.” It is now a well-known established fact that someone vaxed can still spread covid.

Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 07:46 AM
key part of your link these rogue slates of electors didn't have the backing of any elected officials in the seven states -- like a governor or secretary of state, who are involved in certifying election results -- and they served no legitimate purpose.......In truth, no state actually had two slates of competing electors.

The point was that the Republicans are TRYING to undermine the democracy by publicly promoting illegal means. I stated clearly that they had not been successful to date. It is a warning.

The state AGs are now considering charges against those who falsified elector slates as being against state and federal law.

jlisenbe
Jan 16, 2022, 01:05 PM
Justice Breyer made the claim in the oral arguments that there had been '750 million new cases in the US reported yesterday ' .It's just mind-blowing. Do SCOTUS justices have no understanding at all of math? And he said that his law clerks had been, "busy beavers on this case". I guess it's a good thing these law clerks had been so busy before every American evidently had contracted COVID TWICE the day before.

Here it is in his own words.

https://cdn.mrctv.org/videos/62216/62216-480p.mp4

Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 03:52 PM
The point was that the Republicans are TRYING to undermine the democracy by publicly promoting illegal means. I stated clearly that they had not been successful to date. It is a warning.

The state AGs are now considering charges against those who falsified elector slates as being against state and federal law.

UPDATE: The Michigan AG has referred the false electors to the Feds to open a criminal investigation for prosecution.

tomder55
Jan 17, 2022, 05:40 AM
Good if they acted illegally then they should be held to account.Submitting false certificates is attempted fraud and forgery . Clearly there are rogue actors on both sides . Since none of it would have possibly succeeded ,then it was a futile and stupid gesture .The bad actors are going to be charged . That "threat to undermine democracy" has been dealt with .

Nothing I wrote changes .Electors are selected BEFORE the vote .

Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 01:25 PM
Clearly there are rogue actors on both sides

Only the Republicans have falsified electoral slates. No Democrats.

jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 01:29 PM
When a dem like HC attempts to pass the Russia collusion hoax off on the American people, dems decide she needs to run again in 2024. When repubs supposedly falsify electoral slates, repubs say they should be investigated and prosecuted if they are guilty of breaking the law. What a difference.

Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 02:07 PM
When a dem like HC attempts to pass the Russia collusion hoax off on the American people, dems decide she needs to run again in 2024. When repubs supposedly falsify electoral slates, repubs say they should be investigated and prosecuted if they are guilty of breaking the law. What a difference.

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality.

jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 02:29 PM
I completely agree. And I enjoy greatly pointing out the man who has no answers, no logical replies, and no well-reasoned arguments, and who thinks bold text and underlining passes for a compelling answer.

waltero
Jan 17, 2022, 05:16 PM
I completely agree. And I enjoy greatly pointing out the man who has no answers, no logical replies, and no well-reasoned arguments, and who thinks bold text and underlining passes for a compelling answer.
Thank you, thank you very much ;-)



The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality. What's your point? It seems as though you're all in? Waste away, bro!

@Athos    - might think; Reality is not questionable...whereas Truth is questionable?
@jlisenbe - might believe: Reality is questionable...whereas Truth is not at all questionable?

jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 06:08 PM
How are you distinguishing truth from reality?

Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 06:34 PM
I completely agree. And I enjoy greatly pointing out the man who has no answers, no logical replies, and no well-reasoned arguments, and who thinks bold text and underlining passes for a compelling answer.


Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, blinded by resentment, the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.

waltero
Jan 17, 2022, 07:11 PM
How are you distinguishing truth from reality?Reality has nothing to do with power. On the other hand, truth is all about power.


Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. Are you afeard of the subject matter?
When was the last time politics made sense?

jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 07:15 PM
On the other hand, truth is all about power.How do you see that?

jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 08:28 PM
Thank you, thank you very much ;-)You are quite welcome.