His DOJ considers parents doing their civic duties by voicing their opinion about radical leftist curriculum at school board meetings as equivalent to domestic terrorists . Any physical threats to teachers or school board members is already against the law. Actual violence is miniscule and the exception that local law enforcement could easily handle ,

The left's instinct is to outlaw thought they don't agree with .
AG Garland in a Senate hearing announced that the DOJ will be holding “strategy sessions” on how to deal with these alleged threats to school boards and teachers Garland is bringing in US Attorneys and the FBI into controlling this latest threat to the lefty agenda .CRT and the 1619 project has to be defended at all costs .
The pandemic has exposed the radical agenda for all parents to see. They sit in and watch the zoom classes .

Quid's escalation of this to a national threat is intended to intimidate the parents exercising their 1st amendment rights of speech, Voice your opinion at a school board meeting may mean the FBI will show up at your door .

Meanwhile Quid's mouthpiece considers stalking Senator Sinema into rest rooms as part of the process.

Such a good point. The woman in Virginia who pointed out that books available to middle school students not only described, but depicted in drawings men and boys engaging in sex. You would think that someone in government would be outraged at that, or that there would be talk of bringing charges against the publisher and author, but rather it is the lady objecting to the books who has become the target of the corrupt Biden DOJ. It shows yet again that a vote for Biden is a vote against the welfare of children.

As much as I savage Yertl for his cave in about the debt ceiling ;I have to praise his prescience for blocking the emperor's nomination of Garland to SCOTUS .

Garland the trojan horse "moderate technocrat " defender of civil liberties has shown his true colors . He still has Capitol trespassers locked up without due process months after the crime .He is blocking the release to the public of the videos taken by the Capitol security that would make or break the Dems argument about what actually occurred there .

And now he again proves his anti-Constitutional cred by going after parents exercising their 1sr amendment right of speech and assembly . I don't know exactly when the Jacobin Committee of Public Safety with their own version of 'Law of 22 Prairial ' took over the Justice Dept. We had a brief reprieve when Barr tried to restore the department to it's proper role . They again have one of their own at the head of the department .

The most Garland ( Robespierre ) as AG will be able to lead his reign of terror is 8 years That is long enough .Just imagine him with a lifetime appointment .

And as it turns out ,Garland has a conflict of interests . His son in law Alexander Tanner, is the co-founder of Panorama Education, a company that has multimillion contracts with school boards peddling CRT education to them. The company was funded by Fakebook's Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Pricilla Chan through the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI)
CZI is a major funder for the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning (CASEL), a Chicago-based education organization.
They in turn push Transformative Social and Emotional Learning (TSEL) that encourage students to obsess about their race and supposed gender identities. So that gives you an idea of what forms of education the Zuckerberg "charity " supports .

Garland is set to criminalize opposition to that ,

And as it turns out ,Garland has a conflict of interests . His son in law Alexander Tanner, is the co-founder of Panorama Education, a company that has multimillion contracts with school boards peddling CRT education to them. The company was funded by Fakebook's Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Pricilla Chan through the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI)Now isn't that interesting? You can be sure that liberal dems will pay no attention whatsoever to it. If it had happened with Trump, then their hair would be on fire.

So we have another numbnut who says that parents should not have a say in their child's education.

"I don't really understand this idea that parents should decide what's being taught. I'm not a professional educator. I don't have a degree in social studies."

Who is saying this ? Well none other than the Slimes columnist Nikole Hannah-Jones ,the person who invented the 1619 project,the grossly distorted and inaccurate view of American history . But she admits she is not an educator .So her standards are a bit on the double side .

I’m not a professional educator. I don’t have a degree in social studies or science ”“We send our children to school because we want them to be taught by people who have an expertise in the subject area, and that is not my job,”

Full Nikole Hannah-Jones: 'We Should Be Uncomfortable With The Hard Parts Of Our Past' - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF6wuD9cJOo)

She was on 'Meet the compliant Press' to promote her fantasy telling of American history that has now been made into a book.

The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story: Hannah-Jones, Nikole, The New York Times Magazine, Roper, Caitlin, Silverman, Ilena, Silverstein, Jake: 9780593230572: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/1619-Project-New-Origin-Story/dp/0593230574)

“When the governor or the candidate said that he didn’t think parents should be deciding what’s being taught in school, he was panned for that, but that’s just the fact .This is why we send our children to school and don’t homeschool, because these are the professional educators, who have the expertise to teach social studies, to teach history, to teach science, to teach literature, and I think we should leave that to the educators.”

Maybe I am not qualified to speak on this because I am not an educator either .Maybe as a taxpayer who pays for the service ,I am not qualified to address this even though I dare say I have had as much education about American history ,if not more ,than your average K-12 history teacher . I also have no experience in the military so I should have no say in how government allocates and spends military funding. I have no experience pumping oil . So I should have no say in our energy policy . I could go on and on .But you see where this is headed . You simple minded sheeple should just accept what the "experts " tell us and passively let them get on with the business of running our lives .Trust the nanny state .

So we have another numbnut who says that parents should not have a say in their child's education.
That's why PTA exists (or used to be why). That's why there are parent-teacher conferences at the end of a grading period and as needed. And yes, parents can request meetings with teachers. And all the aforementioned are not only about the student's behavior and performance, but can also be about the curriculum being used and the lessons taught. (Yes, I was a state certified school teacher before I was a librarian.)

and what say did the parent of pubic school students have about curriculum at the PTA ? diddly and squat .They can advocate .They have no power to enact .
I am not an educator but I know a lot about public policy .

The authority to decide curriculum lies in the state DOE's Secondary ;and far below the power of the state, is the individual school district . Teachers abide by curriculum and do not enact their own curriculum .They are limited by whatever restrictions the district deems necessary. There may be some leeway in methodology .But I believe that has been narrowed over time based on the obsession with student performance standard testing .

This may be less of an issue in private schools where decisions are largely made at the administrative level .From what I hear ;teacher's input ,and parent associations have more influence at the private school level.

This may be less of an issue in private schools where decisions are largely made at the administrative level .From what I hear ;teacher's input ,and parent associations have more influence at the private school level.
And in parochial schools. And, unfortunately, the times and curriculum creation have changed for the worse since the late '60s. Students are no longer taught penmanship, how to diagram sentences, given poems and the Preamble to the Constitution and the times tables to memorize.

yeah, the good ole days when I could recite the prepositions in alphabetical order without having a clue what is a preposition. I totally agree curriculum has been dumbed down to accommodate the lowest common denominator. The memorization of math came in handy later on when I was in upper grades and my peers were reaching for their Texas Instrument calculators .

So how can we change that and thus improve education? Unfortunately, there are now several generations of teachers who never learned anything worthwhile. And college has become a joke. My younger son "earned" three (mostly worthless) master's degrees, mostly online.

well now we have come full circle. When revisionists like Nikole Hannah-Jones stop being taken seriously then there is a chance. This is why I applaud the parents movement that began when remote education took hold of the nation during the pandemic . Before then the education establishment did it's best to disguise the indoctrination they were foisting on the American youth . Parents got a wiff of what rubbish their children were being taught and have rebelled .

As we transition away from the pandemic hysteria it is my hope that the parents don't lose their new found interest in their children's education .

Students are no longer taught penmanship, how to diagram sentences, given poems and the Preamble to the Constitution and the times tables to memorize.Penmanship is still taught in our state. I imagine most teachers still use some sentence diagramming but I'm not sure it is a necessity. Times tables are taught practically everywhere. I'm not sure about poems and the Preamble.


Unfortunately, there are now several generations of teachers who never learned anything worthwhile. You have a somewhat valid point there but you took it many miles too far.


And college has become a joke. My younger son "earned" three (mostly worthless) master's degrees, mostly online.Depends on the major. I would agree completely in the Social Sciences. I would not agree in areas such as medicine, engineering, and biological sciences. I would think an MBA is still quite valuable.

Might add that the most valid measure of educational improvement (or recession) is NAEP. It shows that student achievement had been consistently rising until we made the foolish decision to move to online "learning" in public schools.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9

well now we have come full circle. When revisionists like Nikole Hannah-Jones stop being taken seriously then there is a chance. This is why I applaud the parents movement that began when remote education took hold of the nation during the pandemic . Before then the education establishment did it's best to disguise the indoctrination they were foisting on the American youth . Parents got a wiff of what rubbish their children were being taught and have rebelled .

As we transition away from the pandemic hysteria it is my hope that the parents don't lose their new found interest in their children's education .

We haven't come full circle yet, not even close. Only a small segment of conservatives have bought into the white washed version of American history. We're just getting started with the more accurate narrative than is more inclusive of everyone's experience in the building of a nation.

I will agree with Hannah-Jones about one thing. She lacks the expertise . The truth is that instead of preserving a slaveocracy as she claims ;the American Revolution drove a wedge into the slaveocracy that was irrevocable . Freed from the Brit yoke ,Abolitionists in 5 former colony states ,the new states of Vermont and Maine and in the new western territories rapidly gained votes to end slavery .

Hannah-Jones ' s propaganda disguised as historic treatise has no place in American schools ,poisoning the minds of our youth . Your average grade school child does not have the critical reasoning skills necessary to critique her steaming pile .Slavery can be honestly and accurately taught without her lies and distortions .

Her book deserves a place in the garbage heap along with the other distortion of American history ;The ' People's History of the United States' . Both try to advance a political agenda rather than to portray a historically accurate depiction of our history At least Howard Zinn the author of 'People's History' admits that his work is ideologically driven,

Let's drop the rhetorical nonsense and get to your factual rejection of HJ's so called propaganda. I can go along with the revolution being a turning point for future change, far future in terms of time, since almost a century went by before that change resulted in the civil war, which freed slaves but didn't liberate them. Even through the 60's, another century, change is still slow as ever.

Whose ideological agenda is being served?

The greatest threats to black America are the disintegration of the family, violent communities, and being trapped in low-performing schools. The day is long past when legal discrimination is a major impediment.

The Civil war was fought by the children and grandchildren of the Revolution. The Revolution generated unprecedented debates about the morality of slavery and its compatibility with the founding principles .

If you go by HJ's calculations, then it took over 150 years from her founding date to the revolution and almost 250 years from her founding date to emancipation .

It was the values of the founders that propelled the change . Too slow in your estimation but propelled nonetheless. Half the new states began the process immediately after the revolution.1777, Vermont's constitution outlawed it . Massachusetts and New Hampshire also outlawed slavery 6 year later. Pennsylvania passed a law outlining a process of gradual emancipation in 1780.New York and New Jersey, where slavery was more prevalent, pass gradual emancipation laws 1799 and 1804. Before the Republic was founded; the Northwest Ordinance in 1787, which organized new territory west of the Appalachian Mountains and north of the Ohio River, prohibited slaveholders from bring slaves into the territory . The dominance that the slave holding states in the south had at the beginning of the Republic gradually weakened. .Emancipation was inevitable . The trans-Atlantic slave trade was abolished by the Constitution in 1808 .
The flaw in all this revisionism is that 21st century values are attributed to people of the 17th and 18th century. The founding of America propelled the changes . That is the lesson that should be taught .

The flaw in all this revisionism is that 21st century values are attributed to people of the 17th and 18th century. The founding of America propelled the changes . That is the lesson that should be taught .Very accurate observation.

An interesting WHITE perspective that completely ignores the minority experience of America spanning centuries and generations like it doesn't count for crap. Really? May as well keep the WHITE ONLY signs out in public view. Not saying some progress hasn't been made, but hardly enough to justify mlssion accomplished. Not nearly enough.

and who said mission accomplished ? the truth is that tremendous progress was made in an historically short time period . Slavery was and is still a large part of human history .


May as well keep the WHITE ONLY signs out in public view. interesting perspective considering that the progressive woke crowd in more inclined to a resegregated and divided America.

And completely ignores that fact that the greatest source of potential progress for non-whites is changing their own behaviors. Not a popular message, but still one that should be heard.

But otherwise, what specifically remains to be done? All racial invective aside, what specific suggestions would be made?

And completely ignores that fact that the greatest source of potential progress for non-whites is changing their own behaviors. Not a popular message, but still one that should be heard.

But otherwise, what specifically remains to be done? All racial invective aside, what specific suggestions would be made?

Voting rights. The key to self governance. Then we can effectively address allocation of resources. That would begin a positive change in behaviors.

The flaw in all this revisionism is that 21st century values are attributed to people of the 17th and 18th century. The founding of America propelled the changes . That is the lesson that should be taught .


Very accurate observation.



To take this to the next level. I just wonder how future moralists will see an America that practices infanticide?

To your point about the debt ;how will future historians view our passing on $30 trillion to the next generations to deal with so we can enjoy entitlements and government gimmees ?

What will they think of the distortion of the Civil Rights movement from equality of opportunity to equality of results ....from an aspiration of a desegregated land to one where sub-identities divide us .....Where we lump all individuals who look alike into caricatures of oppressors and oppressed ?

What will historians think of an America that has a 60% labor participation rate when there are scores of jobs needing to be filled ?

What will they say about an America that spends massive amounts in education only to see education levels decline based on standard testing ?

Maybe they will wonder why it is that if America is so flawed that over 2 million people legally and illegally try to gain entrance and to build a life here every year ?

What will they say about an America that spends massive amounts in education only to see education levels decline based on standard testing ?My only point of disagreement. NAEP testing, which is the gold standard of testing and has been ongoing for nearly fifty years, shows that scores have risen in that time.

I would add two. What will they say about an American electorate that has become so foolish as to tolerate this mish-mash of inconsistencies and craziness you have outlined, and what will they say about an America that so casually threw away the foundational underpinnings of any healthy culture which is the two parent family?

maybe the decline was more recent compared to long term trends . The articles I read of recent trends were not encouraging .

Where Are We Going Wrong? New NAEP Scores Show Decline in Reading Proficiency | Lexia Learning (https://www.lexialearning.com/blog/where-are-we-going-wrong-new-naep-scores-show-decline-reading-proficiency)

Long-Term NAEP Scores for 13-Year-Olds Drop for First Time Since Testing Began in 1970s — ‘A Matter for National Concern,’ Experts Say | The 74 (the74million.org) (https://www.the74million.org/article/naep-long-term-unprecedented-performance-drop-american-13-year-olds/)

And that was happening before covid .My observation is that it is close to a decade decline or stagnation.

Young Adolescents' Scores Trended to Historic Lows on National Tests. And That's Before COVID Hit (edweek.org) (https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/young-adolescents-scores-trended-to-historic-lows-on-national-tests-and-thats-before-covid-hit/2021/10)

NAEP test scores reveal a decade of educational stagnation (hechingerreport.org) (https://hechingerreport.org/national-test-scores-reveal-a-decade-of-educational-stagnation/)



and what will they say about an America that so casually threw away the foundational underpinnings of any healthy culture which is the two parent family? and that could easily be one of the root causes of so many issues today.

What will future historians say about rampant violent crime as policing is being defunded and redefined ?

What is below is math and then reading. For some reason, they have not given the test since 2012 which is strange, but you can see that the trend has been upward until 2020 which was a COVID year. Reading scores are less improved than math, but both have improved in the nearly fifty years since they started.

Addition. Evidently the test has been given between 12 and 20 but those scores are not reflected on the chart. Don't really know why.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/images_main/home/2020_LTT_Math_Trend_Average_Scores.svg



https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/images_main/home/2020_LTT_Reading_Trend_Average_Scores.svg

This was an interesting observation from one of your articles.

"The 2017 test was the first time that white students dropped below 50 percent of fourth-grade test takers. Hispanics now account for 26 percent of the fourth-grade population, up from 19 percent 10 years ago. Disproportionately poor, and sometimes not speaking English at home, Hispanics tend to score considerably lower than white students."

It seems that the test was not given as scheduled for 2016. "The eight-year gap between 2020’s exam and its predecessor, in 2012, is the longest interval that has ever passed between successive rounds of the long-term trend assessment; a round that was originally scheduled for 2016 was nixed (https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/debate-flares-anew-over-pause-for-naep-long-term-trend-assessment/2016/05) for budgetary reasons. Given the length of time between exams and the general trend of increasing scores over multiple decades, observers could have expected to see at least some upward movement."

Isn't it amazing how we print/borrow money for anything and everything EXCEPT educational testing.

having an educated populace goes against the long-term goals of the swamp to make generations of dependents.

So very true. Having an educated populace also makes it more difficult to get people to believe the "non-truths" spouted by pols.

So anyone who believes the dufus lies is.........what?

Anyone who believes the lies of any pol is foolish. Contrary to what you might believe, both parties are given to lying.

How does one separate the lies from the truths?

A little research. When, for instance, HC claimed she flew into Kosovo under fire and represented herself to be heroic on that account, a little research by some people who valued the truth revealed that to be a wild story. Same thing with the Benghazi attack. Same thing with the Russia hoax. Same thing with the Monica Lewinsky story. All lies.

Like, the virus is "like the flu"; it's "totally under control"; it's "disappearing"?

Absolutely. Isn't that what we've been saying here? Both parties are quite capable of lying, or at the very least being grossly mistaken. For instance, when a candidate runs on a pledge of shutting down Covid, but then can't even come close to doing it, then he either lied or was grossly mistaken.

"I'll put in place a plan to deal with this pandemic responsibly, I've already done it. I'm not going to shut down the country, I'm not going to shut down the economy, but I'm going to shut down the virus" Biden promised
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/CDC-cases-December-29th.jpg

Yet another.


WASHINGTON — President Biden promised Americans he is making 500 million coronavirus tests available free of charge, but help is at least weeks away — if not longer — for anxious Americans facing a surge of new virus cases.
Mr. Biden’s administration has not yet signed a contract to buy the tests, and the website to order them will not be up until January. Officials have not said how many tests people will be able to order or how quickly they will be shipped once they begin to be available next month. Manufacturers say they are already producing tests as fast as they can.
As a candidate, Mr. Biden excoriated the lack of testing during the Trump administration, saying in March 2020 that “the administration’s failure on testing is colossal, and it’s a failure of planning, leadership and execution.” But the Omicron variant caught the White House off guard, as the president has acknowledged, and cases have far outstripped the government’s ability to make tests available.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/us/politics/covid-tests-biden-omicron.html

Absolutely. Isn't that what we've been saying here? Both parties are quite capable of lying, or at the very least being grossly mistaken. For instance, when a candidate runs on a pledge of shutting down Covid, but then can't even come close to doing it, then he either lied or was grossly mistaken.

I love coming back here and seeing Jl of all people pontificating about the truth. This from a character who thinks the entire human race drowned in a big flood and who thinks snakes can talk.

It doesn't get much better ...............

I believe the Bible. You don't. Simple equation.

I believe the Bible. You don't. Simple equation.
Nope. You're a literalist. He isn't.

That's your take on it. My take is that the two of you believe only the parts that agree with you. The rest gets ignored. You are certainly welcome to your view. You are not welcome, however, to mischaracterize my position.

But I would probably agree with you on one point. You can be wrong about hell and be right with God. You can disbelieve the first three chapters of Genesis and be right with God. Perhaps you can even allege that Jesus was a homosexual, or that Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers, and still be right with God, though that seems to be stretching it. You cannot, however, be wrong on the resurrection, or wrong on the Gospel, and be right with God.

But I don't want to hijack Tom's post. If you want to move this to another thread, I'll participate there.

I believe in its saving truths but I don't believe the hills clapped their hands (and I don't think you do either, JL) In other words, the Bible is a masterwork of poetry, narrative, genealogy, law, wisdom literature, poetry, Gospel teachings, letters (epistles), prophecy, history, apocalyptic literature.

Isn't it amazing how we print/borrow money for anything and everything EXCEPT educational testing.
And educational testing has become a joke. As is the push toward college.

But I don't want to hijack Tom's post. If you want to move this to another thread, I'll participate there. (the religious discussion)



And educational testing has become a joke.Why do you say that?


As is the push toward college.
In some cases I would agree. Engineering, medicine, or business can be good majors. Much of the social sciences is a waste of time.

In defense of SOME of the social sciences; they taught me critical thinking and how to research. Those tools were valuable to me in the profession I chose even if my career was technically not in the field I studied. So, my studies were worth the price I paid for them.

But that is the rub. At the cost of admission now, I would not council anyone to study any discipline without having a long-term career plan before taking the plunge.

The public policy should be to reduce the costs of higher education. That means like it or not, less public intervention.

Some of the social science courses are no doubt useful, but those disciplines are now overrun with woke profs who peddle ideology more than useful truth. Women's studies, minority studies, CRT classes, and many sociology and psychology disciplines were more of what I was discussing. Certainly economics can be useful.

Completely agree that the cost of college MUST be targeted. We should also limit Pell grants to useful degrees and actively discourage young people from running up massive debt in pursuit of questionable areas of study.

Sounds like discrimination and badmouthing those things you deem unimportant. Par for the course my conservative brothers. Your zeal to ramp up your own efforts of social ideology are quite obvious.

WG -- As is the push toward college.


In some cases I would agree. Engineering, medicine, or business can be good majors. Much of the social sciences is a waste of time.
As I've said on this site before, vocational guidance must be encouraged. Many jobs don't demand a college education or might demand only a certificate e.g., in health care, library work, sociology/psychology, etc. that can be obtained in, say, 15 months at a community college. Or perhaps doing an apprenticeship alongside an electrician or plumber or mechanic will be what one wants and needs to light up a career path.

There are many possibilities indeed.

So much for hopes and dreams. Eating and sleeping is hard enough. Babysitters ain't cheap either, even if it is proud grandma(pa), who may have to eat and sleep themselves. Bummer when another mofo is making you choose what they want you to do!

Kam the Sham's hubby Doug Emhoff compared parents who confront school boards over curriculum as Nazis during the holocaust .


"I met one woman who was saved in the Holocaust in Germany, settled in Ukraine, and is now a refugee again back in Berlin," Emhoff recounted. "Hate is interconnected. You see it in the discourse in the country right now. You see it in the divide that we have. Just going to school meetings, you see that hate that is out there."

Doug Emhoff invokes Holocaust on frustrated parents at school board meetings: 'Hate' | U.S. & World | gazette.com (https://gazette.com/news/us-world/doug-emhoff-invokes-holocaust-on-frustrated-parents-at-school-board-meetings-hate/article_e98c992f-2525-5cb6-b67e-e627f576a4fd.html)

He and Kam are the pair .

Emhoff also stressed that he wants "more Kamala Harrises" in government and the military, calling for increased diversity and representation for women.Increased diversity is called for, otherwise more accurately known as quotas. It's just diversity for the sake of diversity, with no thought given to any advantages or disadvantages it might cause.