That is not me asking . That is not some conspiracy kook. That is left leaning VOX asking (There I gave you a source )

“After a year of debates over mask mandates, lockdowns, and school closures, that mixed evidence might suggest a certain fatalism: Did none of these state policies really matter? Or was the virus going to spread no matter what states did? Was it all for nothing?... If you look at a list of states by their number of Covid-19 deaths per capita, it’s hard to discern much of a pattern.”

So why did I have a burr in my saddle about Dr Fauci ? Because he was the lead advocate of the draconian lock downs . It was he that convinced Trump to put the economy into an artificial recession. It was his advocacy that convinced our elected leaders that it was a good idea to surrender our rights . We couldn't visit sick family in hospitals . We were even prevented from going to church.

Feb 2020 he told us nothing to see here . "You cannot avoid having infections since you cannot shut off the country from the rest of the world,” “Do not let the fear of the unknown...distort your evaluation of the risk of the pandemic to you relative to the risks that you face every day…do not yield to unreasonable fear.”

Then he suddenly advocated draconian lockdowns . He was against people wearing masks and then suddenly changed his mind. He was a skeptic of vaccines .He now says everyone has to take them. He is a media whore .
In other words ,He is a politician and NOT the scientist he pretends to be .

He was against people wearing masks and then suddenly changed his mind. He was a skeptic of vaccines .He now says everyone has to take them.

Fauci spoke the truth as it developed over time. This required changing according to the science being discovered re the development of the virus. Why this has become a right-wing meme is beyond any thinking person. More Trump nonsense, no doubt.


He is a media whore.

A ridiculous statement. Nothing more need be said to know where you're coming from.


In other words ,He is a politician and NOT the scientist he pretends to be .

He PRETENDS to be a scientist? You've completely lost it, tom. I suspect you're playing the troll just to make outrageous comments.

He may have been a scientist in his past . But a long time ago he became a political administrative hack . His whole performance during the pandemic has been a cya exercise and a progressive advocate . Recently he spoke of racism . He made the idiotic comment that because some minorities work in services that were deemed essential that there was disparities in minority treatment during the pandemic . Everyone in my plant
was deemed an essential worker regardless of race . In his bubble headed logic everyone should've stayed home locked up receiving government checks . Yes it was he pretending that the science was dictating the decisions that convinced the country to needlessly lock down .

He may have been a scientist in his past . But a long time ago he became a political administrative hack . His whole performance during the pandemic has been a cya exercise and a progressive advocate . Recently..............(etc., etc)........................................... in services that were deemed essential that there was disparities in minority treatment during the pandemic . Everyone in my plantace.................(etc.)................... ...... logic everyone should've stayed home locked up receiving government checks . Yes it was he pretending that the science was dictating the decisions that convinced the country to needlessly lock down .

Trump blasted Fauci last night in NC as he's been doing for months now. He does this because Fauci didn't agree with Trump re the pandemic. As you should know by now, Trump blasts everyone who utters the slightest disagreemnt with him - a move taught to Trump by the rat-faced weasel Roy Cohn.

Trump downplayed the seriousness of the virus enabling hundred of thousands of deaths , while Fauci was warning the public of its virulence and danger when its deadliness became apparent to science. Who was right?

The lemming-like position of the right-wing is to follow Trump in all things, no matter how stupid.

Trump downplayed the seriousness of the virus enabling hundreds of thousands of deaths. A preposterous idea for which there is not one shred of evidence. Have to apply the Athos rule of believability on this one.

Athos -- Trump downplayed the seriousness of the virus enabling hundreds of thousands of deaths.


A preposterous idea for which there is not one shred of evidence. Have to apply the Athos rule of believability on this one.
Trump quotes:

January 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."

"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle -- it will disappear."

February 2020: "We're very much involved. We're very — very cognizant of everything going on. We have it very much under control in this country,"

March 2020: "Just stay calm. It will go away"

"I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter."

"I think Easter Sunday — you'll have packed churches all over our country."

"The better you do, the faster this whole nightmare will end. Therefore, we will be extending our guidelines to April 30th to slow the spread. ... We can expect that, by June 1st, we will be well on our way to recovery. We think, by June 1st, a lot of great things will be happening."

April 2020: "Then I see the disinfectant which knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside for almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

May 2020: "When we have a lot of cases, I don’t look at that as a bad thing, I look at that as, in a certain respect, as being a good thing… Because it means our testing is much better. I view it as a badge of honor, really, it’s a badge of honor.”

(Fauci's) whole performance during the pandemic has been a cya exercise

Incredible misinformed statement!

Trump's lack of action, almost to the very end, was the (whole) preposterous performance. Trump and his flunkies are trying to rewrite history with their outlandish claims against Dr. Fauci.

Trump frequently told the public it was not a serious threat and would go away soon, including when the weather changed. He resisted public health policies that medical experts said could save lives and sent conflicting signals to the public about whether to wear masks. He would not wear a mask or social distance.

Trump also sought to take little responsibility for the pandemic response, often saying it was the job of state governments, not his administration, to take action.

The focus on the virus’s origin story also fits a pattern of Trump and his supporters trying to absolve the former president of blame by obfuscating his past actions or words and blaming others despite his role as the country’s leader.

For example, many Republicans are now playing down the severity of the deadly Jan 6 attack on the Capitol, and Trump spent years trying to deny he equated the actions of white supremacists with racial justice demonstrators in the 2017 deadly clashes in Charlottesville.

Public health experts warn that the effort to rewrite or distort the history of the pandemic is more than a political issue and could impact the ability of public health officials to prevent or mitigate a future pandemic.

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security said, “The fact that there’s an alternative false narrative being constructed (by Trump) is going to erode more trust between the public and the public health and medical community.”

Trump and his trade adviser, Peter Navarro (one of the worst nutcases around Trump), also distorted the national discussion of a potential lab leak by conflating the question of whether the virus may have accidentally escaped from a lab with brazen accusations that China deliberately engineered the virus and then unleashed it with no supporting evidence.

Throughout all of Trump's murderous advice to the American public, Dr. Fauci has been saying and doing the opposite of Trump and combating Covid-19 as Trump twiddled his thumbs.

And where did you provide an ounce of evidence that Trump “enabled” hundreds of thousands of deaths? Did you take into account the hundreds of thousands of deaths averted by fast tracking a vaccine?

I think there is no question but that Trump soft-pedaled the virus early on, but when I compare that to NY City, where it has been doom, gloom, and shut-downs from the word go, and where the death toll has been terrible, then it's hard to say that Trump panicking would have helped much. Masks don't seem to have done much for us. I'm not sure anyone knows what works.

Trump put in the travel bans six days after Fauci said the virus aint no big thing because it can't be passed from human to human .

It’s interesting that Hydroxychloroquine and Remdesivir both mention by Trump have now been supported as treatments for Covid . How quickly the media & Democrats yelled blasphemy to Trump and discredited the idea solely because he was promoting it . How many people would be ALIVE if the Democrats and the compliant media of the 5th column took the science of the medicine for what was & not politics?

Trump put in the travel bans six days after Fauci said the virus aint no big thing because it can't be passed from human to human .

Fauci never said that, but I'll give you a pass on that because Fauci has been so misquoted so often on that very thing that it's understandable that some right-wing sources still repeat that.

What Dr. Fauci really said, " “While it's clear this new virus can be spread from person to person,” the piece paraphrases Fauci, “it's unclear how easily that spread can happen.”

Fauci clearly stated the virus CAN BE SPREAD FROM HUMAN TO HUMAN.

political hack speak . Jan 2020
Fauci said in an interview : to John Catsimatidis, when asked “What can you tell the American people about what’s been going on?” ..... “Should they be scared?”Fauci's reply “I don’t think so,” “The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something we, as public health officials, need to take very seriously.”

It’s interesting that Hydroxychloroquine and Remdesivir both mention by Trump have now been supported as treatments for Covid .

Hydroxychloroquine has been ineffective in clinical trials. Doctors that still prescribe it do so as a treatment for another condition hoping it will therefore be legally ok for Covid-19. "They are flirting with malpractice" as one article puts it.

Remdesivir may be helpful in hospitalized patients in acute care. The FDA, as far as I can tell, has not ruled on it for the general population.


How quickly the media & Democrats yelled blasphemy to Trump and discredited the idea solely because he was promoting it

Of course they did! The guy's hardly the one to listen to when it comes to a deadly virus (remember injecting disinfectant?). Trump is known to be playing with less than a full deck. His talent is conning those with few or no defenses to block him. "Twas always so with conmen.


How many people would be ALIVE if the Democrats and the compliant media of the 5th column took the science of the medicine for what was & not politics?

Not surprisingly, you got it backwards. It was your boy Trump who ignored the science and the reality. 4-500,000 would be alive had he done the right and obvious thing. But the coming election blinded him. He could see nothing but a second term and the pandemic clearly was not helping him - so he denied it existed.

Not surprisingly, you got it backwards. It was your boy Trump who ignored the science and the reality. 4-500,000 would be alive had he done the right and obvious thing. But the coming election blinded him. He could see nothing but a second term and the pandemic clearly was not helping him - so he denied it existed.
Early Trump quotes can be found in Post #6.

Did masking work? Well, in my little classroom world, it did. We came back to in-person learning in February and just finished up on Friday. We washed our hands and wore masks. We had plexiglass and sat six feet apart. Was this an ideal learning experience? NO! But, we persevered, followed every rule from the state of California, and no one got COVID-19. Did we lose a lot of teachers this year? Yes! Was it due to COVID-19? No! It was due to the technology aspect for most, and difficulties with change. What a year….

If this is a low risk, I wonder what his definition of a high risk is, something with a kill rate of above 5%of the population perhaps

the reality. 4-500,000 would be alive had he done the right and obvious thing.There is not a shred of data to support such a ridiculous claim. It's just TDS at work. The Athos principle applies here for sure. "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it."

For example, many Republicans are now playing down the severity of the deadly Jan 6 attack on the Capitol, and Trump spent years trying to deny he equated the actions of white supremacists with racial justice demonstrators in the 2017 deadly clashes in Charlottesville.Or you could put it this way.

Practically all democrats have consistently downplayed the severity of the many deadly BLM riots, and they have spent years trying to deny their role in promoting and justifying these outbursts.

Funny how easily libs can separate the white supremists from the peaceful protestors and prosecute criminals of 1/6, but conservatives cannot separate peaceful protestors from criminals the same way.

Maybe that's the problem. Dems don't downplay the message of protestors, but can separate peaceful protestors from criminals.

they do what? what happened in Oregon? was that peaceful protest?

It's always easy for those who didn't have their business or place of employment burned down to dismiss it all as peaceful protests. It's the perfect verification of what I said above. Liberal dems couldn't care less about the destruction of large areas of major American cities, or at least they are not going to raise their voices about it. The 1/6 incident seems to interest them only as a politically valuable event. The mystifying silence of the lib dems on this site just verifies that.

It would be a good start if all Americans could agree that the destruction of someone else's personal property is always a bad thing, and those who engage in that destruction are common criminals that should be arrested and prosecuted. It is as true of Ferguson as it is of the 1/6 riots. Arrest them and charge them. Black, white, repub, or dem, it makes no difference. It should not be tolerated.

How many here would agree with that?

This is the biggest problem worldwide.

The medical experts and scientists have far more knowledge about this pandemic than the politicians but the politicians all think they know more than the scintists and medical experts.

They for the large part virtually ignore the expert advice they are given and this is why the countries are locked down for so long then these are raised and a few weeks later there is another lockdown because the virus has spiked again, mainly because there are so many idiots that they don't think they will ever catch the virus and they refuse to wear masks or take the recommended precautions.

There is one positive about wearing masks in my country. Virtually no one has caight the flu and a very few have actually died from the flu compared to other years.

This is the biggest problem worldwide.

The medical experts and scientists have far more knowledge about this pandemic than the politicians but the politicians all think they know more than the scintists and medical experts.

Truer words were never spoken.

I don't know what country you're from, but in this country (USA), we're plagued by an erstwhile legitimate political party known as the Republican Party which has abandoned the best of its conservative principles and replaced it with a cult-like adoration of the most evil man ever to be president.

The survival of this country based on democracy is hanging by a thread as the Republicans seek to control all future elections by placing the Republican state legislatures above the centuries old method of certifying elections by the electoral college.

Exaggeration? Not in the least. Just look at the print and digital media. Even the right-wing media is beginning to see the threat.

Trump fakes his Republican conservatism in order to achieve his a-moral goals which are simply his own self-aggrandizement. "Pride goeth before the fall", says the proverb. Trump's fall is not far off.

Vigilance is the price of liberty. Too many of us have forgotten that necessary principle.

It would be a good start if all Americans could agree that the destruction of someone else's personal property is always a bad thing, and those who engage in that destruction are common criminals that should be arrested and prosecuted. It is as true of Ferguson as it is of the 1/6 riots. Arrest them and charge them. Black, white, repub, or dem, it makes no difference. It should not be tolerated.

How many here would agree with that?I rest my case.

It's always easy for those who didn't have their business or place of employment burned down to dismiss it all as peaceful protests. It's the perfect verification of what I said above. Liberal dems couldn't care less about the destruction of large areas of major American cities, or at least they are not going to raise their voices about it. The 1/6 incident seems to interest them only as a politically valuable event. The mystifying silence of the lib dems on this site just verifies that.

It would be a good start if all Americans could agree that the destruction of someone else's personal property is always a bad thing, and those who engage in that destruction are common criminals that should be arrested and prosecuted. It is as true of Ferguson as it is of the 1/6 riots. Arrest them and charge them. Black, white, repub, or dem, it makes no difference. It should not be tolerated.

How many here would agree with that?

Everybody here has agreed with prosecuting the criminals surrounding the protests from the very start but, that's no excuse for IGNORING or dismissing the message of the PEACEFUL protestors which is get the bad cops and hold them accountable.

That's my problem with you fringers!



This is the biggest problem worldwide.

The medical experts and scientists have far more knowledge about this pandemic than the politicians but the politicians all think they know more than the scintists and medical experts.

They for the large part virtually ignore the expert advice they are given and this is why the countries are locked down for so long then these are raised and a few weeks later there is another lockdown because the virus has spiked again, mainly because there are so many idiots that they don't think they will ever catch the virus and they refuse to wear masks or take the recommended precautions.

There is one positive about wearing masks in my country. Virtually no one has caight the flu and a very few have actually died from the flu compared to other years.

Dead on the money, please excuse my highlights.


Truer words were never spoken.

I don't know what country you're from, but in this country (USA), we're plagued by an erstwhile legitimate political party known as the Republican Party which has abandoned the best of its conservative principles and replaced it with a cult-like adoration of the most evil man ever to be president.

The survival of this country based on democracy is hanging by a thread as the Republicans seek to control all future elections by placing the Republican state legislatures above the centuries old method of certifying elections by the electoral college.

Exaggeration? Not in the least. Just look at the print and digital media. Even the right-wing media is beginning to see the threat.

Trump fakes his Republican conservatism in order to achieve his a-moral goals which are simply his own self-aggrandizement. "Pride goeth before the fall", says the proverb. Trump's fall is not far off.

Vigilance is the price of liberty. Too many of us have forgotten that necessary principle.

Thanks for saving me a lot of typing! 8]

There is one positive about wearing masks in my country. Virtually no one has caight the flu and a very few have actually died from the flu compared to other years. The flu is endemic . Wearing masks may be a preventive as well as better hygiene .

The question is the government mandating the wearing of masks . Vaccines are available in the US and also effective treatments . High risk groups have been identified so added precautions should be taken by those groups of people .

What happens if covid is endemic ? Do you continue draconian restrictions forever ?
The flu kills thousands in the US every year and hospitalizes hundreds of thousands . And yet we have never had similar restrictions imposed on us .There has never even been mandates for vaccines for school age children even though they are at a higher risk of suffering a major illness from flu symptoms ;and the flu is at least as contagious .

I give the government a pass for the time covid was new with no known treatments .We were told we would temporarily lock down so the hospitals would not get overwhelmed . A year later that is not a risk . Our governments went to school about how much liberty we were willing to surrender and have played the role of little despots testing how far and how long they can get away with it . They have a template for the next crisis .

There is one positive about wearing masks in my country. Virtually no one has caight the flu and a very few have actually died from the flu compared to other years.I don't think there is much evidence that wearing masks reduces the incidence of flu. Washing hands and social distancing is more likely to be the source. We'll see. I have a funny feeling that when Covid has been thoroughly studied over the next two or three years, we'll find out what really worked and what didn't.