At a QANON meeting this weekend, former Trump National Security Adviser, Michael Flynn, called for a military coup against the U.S. government. He argued that, just like what happened in Myanmar (https://time.com/5934896/myanmar-aung-san-suu-kyi-detained-coup/), our military should seize power and overthrow our democratically elected government.

One day later, Flynn tried to walk back his comment.

At the same QANON meeting, fellow nutcase Sidney Powell said Trump “can simply be reinstated. And Biden is told to move out of the White House, and President Trump should be moved back in. That's for sure”. After Powell was widely mocked (https://www.newsweek.com/chris-christie-says-trumps-legal-team-has-become-national-embarrassment-1549329) for her bizarre and often illogical claims, Trump said publicly that she was not officially part (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-dumps-sydney-powell-lawyer-who-promised-blow-georgia-legal-strategy-unravels-1549369) of his legal team.

QANON is the outfit that claims Democrats are running a child pedophilia ring, and that they are Satanic cannibals eating the children. Trump is believed by QANON to be the "saviour" of the nation.

According to The New York Post, a poll estimates 30 million Americans are “praying at the altar of Q”. "The beliefs are outlandish, but when you take into account that these beliefs are linked to a kind of apocalyptic thinking and violence, then it becomes something quite different,” said a spokesman.

White evangelicals, a major sub-group of Trump supporters, also have beliefs linked to apocalyptic thinking and violence.

Responding to a question from the audience .....
"I want to know why what happened in Minamar (sic)can't happen here?" a member of the audience, who identified himself as a Marine, asked Flynn.

Flynn replied ..... "No reason, I mean, it should happen here. No reason. That's right,"

I do not believe for one second he believes that .

Flynn's "walk back " :
"Let me be VERY CLEAR - There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort,"

Given the abuse he received from the Intel and Law Enforcement agencies of the US government for having the audacity of daring to become a National Security advisor for Trump ,he certainly has the right to clarify his throw away comment . Given his years of service to this country he is entitled to be forgiven for this rhetorical mistake .

Responding to a question from the audience .....
"I want to know why what happened in Minamar (sic)can't happen here?" a member of the audience, who identified himself as a Marine, asked Flynn.

Flynn replied ..... "No reason, I mean, it should happen here. No reason. That's right,"

Perfect, tomder. That's EXACTLY what he said! "IT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE."



I do not believe for one second he believes that .

Then you have to explain WHY he said that. It's very clear what he said.


Flynn's "walk back " :
"Let me be VERY CLEAR - There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort,"

Of course, he walked it back - AFTER HIS QUOTE WENT AROUND THE WORLD!!! Note how he carefully said he did not "call for action". Doesn't matter - he said what he said.


Given the abuse he received from the Intel and Law Enforcement agencies

He was given NO abuse. He pled GUILTY to the charge against him. Dufus pardoned him.


he certainly has the right to clarify his throw away comment

What part of the law forgives seditious comments on the basis of a "right to clarify a throw away comment".


Given his years of service to this country he is entitled to be forgiven for this rhetorical mistake .

His years of service are not in question. He proved himself to be a nutcase ever since his time with the DIA, where his contract was not extended since he had a "chaotic management style" and was insubordinate. Obama warned Trump about Flynn and Trump immediately hired Flynn as National Security Advisor. Within weeks, he was fired from that job.

What part of the law forgives seditious comments on the basis of a "right to clarify a throw away comment". There are no laws against what you call "seditious comments " . The 1st amendment protects against that . Sedition is rarely prosecuted and one has to be involved in a conspiracy for that to happen. See NY Slimes v Sullivan .Dombrowski v Pfister ,Brandenburg v Ohio ,Stanford v Texas .

There are no laws against what you call "seditious comments " . The 1st amendment protects against that . Sedition is rarely prosecuted and one has to be involved in a conspiracy for that to happen. See NY Slimes v Sullivan .Dombrowski v Pfister ,Brandenburg v Ohio ,Stanford v Texas .

Give it up, tom and stop defending a weak position. And deflecting. The guy's a nut and has been since he came on the scene. All the case law in the world can't change that fact.

What part of a law which doesn’t exist forgives seditious comments?? Really?

That law is found in the court of public opinion

deflect ? You said "What part of the law forgives seditious comments on the basis of a "right to clarify a throw away comment".

So I cited the law. Sedition laws whether in 1798 or 1918 were passed solely for the purpose of punishing political opponents .

Flynn put his foot in his mouth ;realized he made a mistake ,and clarified his position .

Here is the law ; 18 US Code S 2384
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Is the Democrats like Ayanna Pressley ,Madam Mim ,and Maxine Waters conspiring and encouraging violent riots an act of sedition by the words they say ? There are many examples of that . I have not heard one of them walk back their comments as Flynn has done .


He was given NO abuse. He pled GUILTY to the charge against him. Dufus pardoned him.

He was coerced into making a guilty plea .The despicable deal the FBI gave him was that Flynn's son, who was under investigation as Flynn senior's business partner (and the father of Flynn senior's 4 month-old grandchild) would not be prosecuted.

They also withheld evidence ;including a 302 , that had a direct bearing on his case . The two FBI agents who conducted the interview with Flynn reported to their superiors that they did not think Flynn had been deceitful during the interview and that any inaccurate responses to their questions were the result of a memory lapse, not a deliberate attempt to deceive. That pertinent piece of evidence if produced in a timely manner would have made a difference because it would have been impossible to successfully prosecute him because there was clearly no intent to lie .

That is Soviet style justice unworthy of the United States Justice dept. If that can happen to prominent public figures then it certainly can happen to many other Americans .

"conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States"

When did Flynn do that?

Flynn put his foot in his mouth ;realized he made a mistake ,and clarified his position

Wow, he sure did - Big time. Defend him all you want, he said what he said. Even you admit he was wrong.


Is the Democrats like Ayanna Pressley ,Madam Mim ,and Maxine Waters conspiring and encouraging violent riots an act of sedition by the words they say ? There are many examples of that . I have not heard one of them walk back their comments as Flynn has done

I missed the part where they said to do what the military did in Myanmar - "It should happen here".


That is Soviet style justice unworthy of the United States Justice dept. If that can happen to prominent public figures then it certainly can happen to many other Americans .

You're getting carried away. Just be thankful justice in this country is no longer run by the Trump/Barr fascist cabal.

I get it now Tom. You're just trying to see how far in right field you can go! Good job so far because you are way out there. Or is UP there a more apt description? Flynn and Rudy had better days for sure but right now they should both be locked up for their own good and the countries. Throw that Gaetz character in with them.

I listened to a video of Flynn's speech. He also didn't pronounce "Myanmar" correctly.

Qanon, nutcase, Flynn and the dufus fit perfectly in the same sentence.

He also didn't pronounce "Myanmar" correctly.Cane him!!

Cane him!!
You'd think an educated person who's making a speech for the listeners who are present as well as for those throughout the US and even in the world would have had the humility to look up the pronunciation and practice saying it a few times.

You mean like Biden does?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNQAbF33gFM&t=128s

My personal favorite. "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

My personal favorite. "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."
You apparently didn't hear the previous sentences. Cherry-picking again?

Cherry picking. Your fall back position when you have no case.

Cherry picking. Your fall back position when you have no case.
Listen. To. The. Previous. Sentences. Stop. Being. Stoopid.

"We have this notion that somehow if you're poor you cannot do it." So far, no mention of race.

"Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids." A dumb, dumb racist remark to the effect that the poor kids are non-whites while the high performing, bright, talented kids are...wealthy??? Well no, but they are white!!

Who's being stupid now? You are such a biased liberal dem that it's not funny.

"We have this notion that somehow if you're poor you cannot do it." So far, no mention of race.
Previous. Two. Sentences. Must I transcribe them for you???

Actually, you don't need to transcribe anything since I've already done it. And as any thinking person who watches the clip knows, there is only one sentence preceding the "Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids." Any other sentences are from another speaking engagement. The clip you should be looking at starts at 3:04 or so. Look at his shirt. It's a different shirt from what he is wearing in the prior statements.

So transcribe away. Let's see what you've got. But I think you need to be prepared to be disappointed. It was just a dumb statement.

Actually, you don't need to transcribe anything since I've already done it.
No, you haven't.

I really am concerned about you sometimes. It is on post 21 and clear as it can be.

But if you want to continue this, then transcribe whatever in the world it is that you're talking about. That is assuming you even know.

I really am concerned about you sometimes. It is on post 21 and clear as it can be.

But if you want to continue this, then transcribe whatever in the world it is that you're talking about. That is assuming you even know.
Why won't you ever be nice? You really make me wonder.

No transcription is forthcoming, so you clearly don't seem to know what you're talking about.

I don't like evasiveness, and that's basically your middle name. Not making comments that you can't back up would be a good start for you.

Is this the model of niceness you are promoting, especially considering that you were flat out wrong?
Listen. To. The. Previous. Sentences. Stop. Being. Stoopid.

No transcription is forthcoming, so you clearly don't seem to know what you're talking about.
I'm in the middle of dinner. Cool your heels!

Is this the model of niceness you are promoting, especially considering that you were flat out wrong?
Yes, I was wrong. I apologize profusely. Time for dessert.

Speaking of nutty proposals, Biden is projecting a 13 trillion dollar addition to the national debt over the next 10 years. That means, of course, that it will be a lot more than 13 tril since it always works out that way. We have lost our minds.

Here's another thing about Flynn.

What in the world was he doing giving a speech to the QANON crowd? Does this mean Flynn believes in the QANON belief that the Democrats are Satanic child-eating pedophiles? And QANON who long for the Second Coming of Trump their Saviour? Do the Flynn supporters still think Flynn is anything but a nutcase?

I wonder where QANON gets that "Second Coming" stuff?

In the meantime back in the real world, our president seems to really believe this stuff. “According to the intelligence community, terrorism from white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the homeland today,” Biden said. “Not ISIS. Not Al Qaeda. White supremacists.”

Reminds me of that terrible day on 9/11 when white supremacist terrorists destroyed the Twin Towers, and of the major American cities being set ablaze by white supremacist terrorists. (sarcasm)

In the meantime back in the real world, our president seems to really believe this stuff. “According to the intelligence community, terrorism from white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the homeland today,” Biden said. “Not ISIS. Not Al Qaeda. White supremacists.”
What's going to happen in this country when Trump isn't reinstated as president by August? In comparison, January 6 will look like a baby shower.

Sure it will. I guess they could take some lessons from BLM??

Sure it will. I guess they could take some lessons from BLM??
Naw, the videos of those January 6 picture-taking tourists told me all I need to know. BLM is a Sunday School group next to them. We're locked and loaded!

I don’t think you know all you need to know.

I don’t think you know all you need to know.
Then tell me, kind sir, in a short, pithy paragraph.

BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was nor a white supremacist deal.

Sufficiently pithy??

BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was nor a white supremacist deal.

Sufficiently pithy??
Pithy yet the substance is very much a fabrication. January 6 was, as attested to by participants, a WS deal.

And was instigated by Trump who said he would accompany them (but instead high-tailed it to the WH where he sipped a mug of hot chocolate while watching on TV as the insurrection unfolded).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=25w2vlfg88M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXpkXl2VxZE

First of all, I never mentioned Trump, so any discussion of him is just a sideshow on your part. But even at that, the first video is entitled, 'Peacefully and Patriotically". What part of that did you misunderstand?

In the second, Trump tells them to go home since, "We have to have peace." Did you miss that? At no time did Trump ever call for rioting or violence. In fact, I don't think he even called for protests.

Where in either video did anyone present any evidence that the 1/6 demonstration was a WS event? The answer is, "nowhere", so I'll just say again, since you presented nothing to refute it, that, "BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was not a white supremacist deal."

Didn't you read what Athos said? "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it." Following his advice, would you suggest I say that I don't believe you?

https://thefrontierpost.com/study-up-to-95-percent-of-2020-u-s-riots-are-linked-to-black-lives-matter/

JL, you apparently missed the boat on what those videos prove and what my point was. Cherrypicking is NOT a good idea!

Trump said he would go with them to the Capitol to reclaim their government ("take back our country"), yet he was nowhere to be found during the insurrection.

Cherrypicking. It's what you always refer to when your position is hopeless, as it is now. I still like what Athos said. "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it." If I follow his advice, I will have to tell you I don't believe you.

Please tell me you never, ever, ever tried to help anyone write a term paper where citation was required. The thought alone is enough to cause despair.

And again. "BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was not a white supremacist deal."

Cherrypicking. It's what you always refer to when your position is hopeless, as it is now
My position was that Trump himself, that wondrous and glorious supreme white male, encouraged the insurrection and told the crowd that he would be marching right along with them. Instead, he scurried off to safety. His own words in those two videos confirm his assurance that he would be with them.

You were responding to this and you said my statement was incorrect. "BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was not a white supremacist deal." You have done nothing to refute any of that. You also cannot support your idea that Trump, "encouraged the insurrection". He actively called for peace. Yes, he did not accompany them. I have never said he did, and never even brought the topic up.

You were responding to this and you said my statement was incorrect. "BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was not a white supremacist deal." You have done nothing to refute any of that.
I haven't gotten to that part yet. Take a breath. Breathe deeply.

That much is certainly clear. Did you take your TDS pills today?

Athos said. "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it."

I am informed my name is being taken in vain here. To wit: "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it."

That comment was made specifically to Tomder and his post re Connecticut which he refused to source. That was obvious to anyone, and I stand by it. Many members post reliable comments without sources, but Tomder lost that privilege when he posted several that were untrue and/or misleading.

Taking it out of context (i.e., cherry-picking) and using it as a weapon against WG is par for the course for Jlsn. I might note here that Jl has steadfastly refused to explain his own Bible verses when asked and yet he offers them as proof for whatever he may believe.


And again. "BLM has created far more havoc and destruction than any WS group. Besides, the 1/6 group was not a white supremacist deal."

The Jan 6 insurrection was filled with white groups of every description, including the usual right-wing nutcases of white supremacists, a hefty sampling of white evangelicals, and Trump flag-waving white fascists. Anything BLM ever did is mild compared to what the insurrectionists did on Jan 6.

That much is certainly clear. Did you take your TDS pills today?
No, just my multiple, B-complex, and C, so far. And I've noticed you haven't taken your agape pills for quite a while. I do realize each is a very large pill to swallow.

That comment was made specifically to Tomder and his post re Connecticut which he refused to source.How convenient for you. "Tom must support his points. The rest of us are off the hook!" Sorry, but no thinking person anywhere would take such silly advice.


The Jan 6 insurrection was filled with white groups of every description, including the usual right-wing nutcases of white supremacists, a hefty sampling of white evangelicals, and Trump flag-waving white fascists. Anything BLM ever did is mild compared to what the insurrectionists did on Jan 6.I continue to take your advice. "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it."

And I've noticed you haven't taken your agape pills for quite a while.The unquestioning acceptance of falsehoods is not a part of love.

"Tom must support his points. The rest of us are off the hook!" Sorry, but no thinking person anywhere would take such silly advice.

You show yourself AGAIN to be simply incapable of quoting someone without changing the intent. No one is surprised.


I continue to take your advice. "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it."

In your case, don't expect anyone to believe it.

The unquestioning acceptance of falsehoods is not a part of love.
Not insulting and otherwise demeaning another person is a part of agape.

Not insulting and otherwise demeaning another person is.Then why did you do it?


You show yourself AGAIN to be simply incapable of quoting someone without changing the intent. No one is surprised.You're just mad because I summarized your statement exactly.


In your case, don't expect anyone to believe it.I did provide support.

You're just mad because I summarized your statement exactly.

Here's my statement - "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it." That comment was made specifically to Tomder and his post re Connecticut which he refused to source. That was obvious to anyone, and I stand by it. Many members post reliable comments without sources

Here's your "summary" -

"Tom must support his points. The rest of us are off the hook

Not quite "exactly", is it? It's back to the basement with you until you learn to tell the truth.

" That comment was made specifically to Tomder And what comment was that? "If you don't wish to support what you posted...that is your right. But don't expect anyone to believe it." So yeah, I nailed it. Either it's for everyone, and well it should be, or it's only for one person and not for anyone else. You made it very clear that it was only for Tom and thus not for you. So I will say again, "How convenient for you.'

At any rate, it's certainly reasonable to ask for support for statements that are other than very widely accepted. If that was your intent, then so be it.


but Tomder lost that privilegeYou can apply that for yourself, but certainly not for the rest of us. And again, perhaps that was your intent.

At any rate, it's certainly reasonable to ask for support for statements that are other than very widely accepted. If that was your intent, then so be it.

You can apply that for yourself, but certainly not for the rest of us. And again, perhaps that was your intent.

Who is to say what is widely accepted and what is not?

Who is to say what is widely accepted....
There ain't no such animal.

Who is to say what is widely accepted and what is not?I would think there are many things that are widely accepted. Obama was pres before Trump. Our national debt is about 30 tril. The dems control the House. Nancy P is the Speaker. On and on it goes. 1/6 was a white supremacist rally? You'd need to give pretty solid evidence for that.

I would think there are many things that are widely accepted. Obama was pres before Trump. Our national debt is about 30 tril. The dems control the House. Nancy P is the Speaker.
Those have nothing to do with "wide acceptance".

Those are not widely accepted???

Those are not widely accepted???
They have nothing to do with being "widely accepted". They just are.