I truly wish waltero would state his beliefs very simply.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone.God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me. All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.


The Bible and Jesus are one and the same.

I don't know what that means.

Exactly

The Bible tells us what the Bible meansPretty good statement. I've heard it said, "Interpret the Bible with the Bible."

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone.God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me. All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.

You are free to believe what you want. But to offer that jumble above as some sort of truth of the Bible is absurd. Even if it could be deciphered, the Bible is not proof of the Bible. Logic 101.

You cannot offer the thing in question as proof of itself. I don't think you'll understand that so I'll give you an example. A murderer says he is innocent. He has no corroboration outside his own statement of his innocence so you believe he is innocent based only on his statement.

As I stated, you are free to believe what you want, but your belief does not determine the truth of what it is you believe.

your belief does not determine the truth of what it is you believe.

Got to have Faith.

The Bible teaches that faith will manifest itself. It will manifest itself in doctrine—in what you believe.

Salvation is outside of "self."

Got to have Faith.
Faith in what? Please give an example.

The Bible teaches that faith will manifest itself. It will manifest itself in doctrine—in what you believe.
If I believe in Jesus, where does doctrine come in? E.g., I have to believe certain things?

Salvation is outside of "self."
Please explain.

Got to have Faith.

The Bible teaches that faith will manifest itself. It will manifest itself in doctrine—in what you believe.

Salvation is outside of "self."

You're great at quoting the comment, and then never replying to it. I bet you speak in tongues, too.

Your Good at having your own Topics locked, When you get frazzled. Frazzled when It doesn't go your way.

 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christianity/bible-question-842520.html

I think you are reading it too full of "self".  It runs Full Circle. 
Here, I will post it again. Jesus and the Bible being one and the same.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth (Jesus) of Scripture (Bible). Truth (Jesus) revealed in Scripture (Bible) alone. God’s Word (Jesus/Bible) is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and anything at all. Just the Bible (Bible/Jesus). The Bible tells us what the Bible (Jesus) means...not an infusion of God’s (Jesus) enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation (Biblical “doctrine”) of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me (self). All of my salvation is outside of me (earthly, natural) in the ultimate sense.


Faith in what? Please give an example.
Biblical “doctrine”




If I believe in Jesus, where does doctrine come in
The Holy Bible (doctrine) is the source of spiritual growth. It will manifest itself —in what you believe (Jesus).


Salvation is outside of "self."

All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.
Have to do away with self. Salvation has nothing to do with "you' (in the sense of self). Salvation is in Christ Jesus alone. There is one life and all life originates and ends in one body (Jesus/Bible) Jesus is the Living Word (Bible).
The Bible is the very breath of the living God; being God’s breath, it is of life and can impart life to us. And in John 6:63 the Lord Jesus told us, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words (Bible) which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”


1 John 5:11-12 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life. This passage tells us that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son, Jesus Christ.

Your Good at having your own Topics locked, When you get frazzled. Frazzled when It doesn't go your way.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christianity/bible-question-842520.html

No it's not about getting frazzled. Ir's when idiots like you persist in posting nonsense over and over again. I can deal with most things but not when people cannot understand simple ideas.


I think you are reading it too full of "self". It runs Full Circle.
Here, I will post it again. Jesus and the Bible being one and the same.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth (Jesus) of Scripture (Bible). Truth (Jesus) revealed in Scripture (Bible) alone. God’s Word (Jesus/Bible) is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible (/Jesus) and anything at all. Just the Bible (Bible/Jesus). The Bible tells us what the Bible (Jesus) means...not an infusion of God’s (Jesus) enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation (Biblical “doctrine”) of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me (self). All of my salvation is outside of me (earthly, natural) in the ultimate sense.


Biblical “doctrine”




The Holy Bible (doctrine) is the source of spiritual growth. It will manifest itself —in what you believe (Jesus).



Have to do away with self. Salvation has nothing to do with "you' (in the sense of self). Salvation is in Christ Jesus alone. There is one life and all life originates and ends in one body (Jesus/Bible) Jesus is the Living Word (Bible).
The Bible is the very breath of the living God; being God’s breath, it is of life and can impart life to us. And in John 6:63 the Lord Jesus told us, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words (Bible) which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”


1 John 5:11-12 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life. This passage tells us that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son, Jesus Christ.

See what I mean?

See what I mean?

Yes I see what you mean.


I can deal with most things but not when people cannot understand simple ideas.
I didn't expect you to understand.




Even if it could be deciphered, the Bible is not proof of the Bible. Logic 101.
You do not understand because you are thinking in your flesh.
Ah, Logic...might be your problem.

It might not be easy to understand but if you keep reading it might come to you.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone. God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me. All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.

The Bible is the very breath of the living God; being God’s breath, it is of life and can impart life to us.

Don't you see? There is nothing But God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Everything I have is in Jesus.
You Me the World Doesn't exist!

Yes I see what you mean.

Good.


I didn't expect you to understand.

Good.

It might not be easy to understand but if you keep reading it might come to you.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone. God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me. All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.

The Bible is the very breath of the living God; being God’s breath, it is of life and can impart life to us.

Don't you see? There is nothing But God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Everything I have is in Jesus.
You, Me, Hank, the World Doesn't exist...it's all going to pass away!

I believeYou lose a lot of people when you start with that perspective. You might want to explain WHY you believe what you believe. Not a criticism. Simply a suggestion.

It might not be easy to understand but if you keep reading it might come to you.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone. God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me. All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.

The Bible is the very breath of the living God; being God’s breath, it is of life and can impart life to us.

Don't you see? There is nothing But God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Everything I have is in Jesus.
You, Me, Hank, the World Doesn't exist...it's all going to pass away!

Your beliefs are irrelevant. Nobody cares. You've been saying the same thing for weeks now. Do you know the definition of insanity? Don't talk your beliefs here, live them where they can do some good. Then come back and tell us what you're learned by living.

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone
Pretend you met me for the first time at the grocery store. We discovered, while standing in line at the deli, that we live on the same street and know some of the same people. You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!" Walter, what would you say to me in response?

Don't talk your beliefs hereHe's doing what we all do. We voice our beliefs and discuss them. He does at least know why he believes what he believes.

Well I suppose when you cannot explain the very real lies and scams of the lying crook dufus that got booted from office and his continuing shenanigans that destroy the fabric of decency and democracy, the proselytizing about divinity makes you feel better.

Why not just apologize and get about fixing your screw up fringe true believers.

I truly wish waltero would state his beliefs very simply.

I was simply responding to WG Wish.

I Don't know where Athos and WG are coming from half the time. They act like they don't have a clue. You say Tomato they say tomahto. There's a reason why some people Don't like it when people Quote the Bible. 

I may believe and I may proclaim only the truths that we are authorized to believe and proclaim by the teaching of the Twelve.

All of my salvation is outside of me. It is because of what another has done for me.

My Posts are more a personal log.


Nobody cares. You've been saying the same thing for weeks now.
You have been responding. You obviously care.

I was simply responding to WG Wish.
Pretend you met me for the first time at the grocery store. We discovered, while standing in line at the deli, that we live on the same street and know some of the same people. You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!" Walter, what would you say to me in response?

what would you say to me in response?


That's like asking me to pose for a picture. I Don't pose for pictures.
Doesn't feel Natural. I don't have an already made response.
Depends, What would you be Wearing ;-)

That's like asking me to pose for a picture. I Don't pose for pictures.
Doesn't feel Natural. I don't have an already made response.
Depends, What would you be Wearing ;-)
That surprises me. You've been so verbal and forthcoming so far. I wondered how you would begin to witness to someone who is somewhat resistant. (I'll be wearing a blue cotton knit shirt and charcoal pants. I'll be eating a chocolate ice cream cone.)

I'll give a shot at it. I'd ask you if there was a reason why you do not attend church.

I'll give a shot at it. I'd ask you if there was a reason why you do not attend church.
Is that Directed at me? Even so...I like to get as much Church and Prayer in as Possible. any Church, any day every day. No better place for a sinner, like me, to be. Can never not ever get enough Prayer. Or praise to God.

I wondered how you would begin to witness someone who is somewhat resistant.
I would most likely jokingly Play with her/him, with such a response (Scowl).
Get them to laugh would be a good starter.

From what I gather, a few of you don't Believe in the Bible. My last response (I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. Truth revealed in Scripture alone) was intended to fill you in on what the Bible means to me.  My belief is the Bible. (Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible.) Without it I am Hopeless. There might be some who would say "I believe in Jesus," Point being you can't have one without the other.


Salvation is outside of "self. "Please explain.
All of my salvation is outside of me. It is because of what another has done for me.
Does that help?

I expect ridicule from Athos, being that he has a problem with the Subject matter.
The Bible tells us what the Bible means
Athos challenges the Bible, "Here you (Bible) are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."

Pretty much the same thing as: The Pharisees- challenged Jesus/Bible, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."
I truly Hope you realize how important it is to take the Whole Bible as The whole truth and nothing but the Truth.

This is my truth

I believe we are witnesses, and we witness to the truth of Scripture. truth revealed in Scripture alone. God’s Word is sufficient and has the highest authority for all of life. Not the Bible and our own little fundamentalist predilections that we like to stick in there. Not the Bible and our own little legalistic tags. Not the Bible and anything at all. Just the Bible. The Bible tells us what the Bible means...not an infusion of God’s enabling power so that we may then work our own way towards a final redemptive conclusion, but the imputation of the righteousness of Christ; a forensic thing, so that it is all outside of me (me myself and I). All of my salvation is outside of me in the ultimate sense.


All of my salvation is outside of me. It is because of what another has done for me.

This ones for you Athos

Jesus has already worked out your salvation.

But, but, but what about Philippians 2:12

(It is clear from the context of the first two chapters of Philippians, that working out our own salvation has nothing to do with working to be saved. Instead it has everything to do with working for the Lord and others because we are saved.)

You are sensible people. You must examine the Scriptures, and you must come to your own conclusions.

Is that Directed at me?No. It was a response to WG's question.

I would most likely jokingly Play with her/him, with such a response (Scowl).
Get them to laugh would be a good starter.
Bravo, waltero! That is EXACTLY what I would do -- first get to know them, get them relaxed and feeling at ease with me. And it works!

I'll give a shot at it. I'd ask you if there was a reason why you do not attend church.
Yes, I've told you. I'm wheelchair bound and homebound. Church comes to me via Facebook/YouTube. The congregation I belong to posts services, plus I tune into the services at a Lutheran pastor friend's church in Ontario, Canada, PLUS I watch the services at a church I used to belong to in Taylorsville, NC. The wonder and beauty of YouTube is that these services are visual as well as auditory, I can replay them throughout the week, and I can connect with the pastors (and even members) with messaging and by phone.

Then I would congratulate you for continuing to attend church in the manner that you can. But why would you have said, "Yuk"? Is attending church a negative to you?

"You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!"

How's the hubby doing? Better, I hope.

Then I would congratulate you for continuing to attend church in the manner that you can. But why would you have said, "Yuk"? Is attending church a negative to you?

"You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!"
What happened to your imagination, JL??? I put together a scenario to challenge waltero regarding his evangelism efforts. (The chocolate ice cream cone wasn't a tipoff???)


How's the hubby doing? Better, I hope.
After a week of tests, there was no definitive diagnosis, so they sent him home yesterday afternoon. He's trying to get rid of the wobblyness from being mostly bedbound for seven days.

What happened to your imagination, JL??? I put together a scenario to challenge waltero regarding his evangelism efforts. (The chocolate ice cream cone wasn't a tipoff???)That was the scenario I was responding to. Next thing I know, I'm talking to someone who watches church repeatedly. Oh well.


How's the hubby doing? Better, I hope.



After a week of tests, there was no definitive diagnosis, so they sent him home yesterday afternoon. He's trying to get rid of the wobblyness from being mostly bedbound for seven days.Bummer, but I'm sure he's glad he's home.

@Walt

If you follow The Christ as your savior, why then are you not a Jew as he was, or did I miss his conversion?

That was the scenario I was responding to. Next thing I know, I'm talking to someone who watches church repeatedly. Oh well.
Then PLEASE add an introductory phrase or sentence to let me know you are responding to the scenario I presented to waltero. I thought you were just being annoying.

I shouldn't connect online with churches and pastors? What other suggestions can you offer?

Me? Annoying?


I shouldn't connect online with churches and pastors? What other suggestions can you offer?
I would hope you continue to do so.

Me? Annoying?
*whistles tunelessly*

I would hope you continue to do so.
Whew!

I'll give a shot at it. I'd ask you if there was a reason why you do not attend church.
Now that I understand this post of yours, I'd certainly disagree with that approach and your question. It's asked much too early in the possible relationship, is very nosy and even confrontational. Also, we psychotherapists encourage making "I" statements -- so as time goes on and as the friendship develops, "Oh, by the way, I attend XYZ church and would love to have you join me there next Sunday." Then listen carefully to the response.

This was the situation you presented. "Pretend you met me for the first time at the grocery store. We discovered, while standing in line at the deli, that we live on the same street and know some of the same people. You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!" Walter, what would you say to me in response?"

Already, in your scenario, your rule has been broken. "You asked me if I attend any church." Certainly not an "I" statement and about as nosy as it gets, so you've already let the cat out of the bag. I wouldn't ask that to begin with, but that was your choice. If someone responded that firmly in the negative, I'd probably back up and say, "Sounds like you've had some negative church experiences." Bear in mind that in the deli line, you're not going to have all day long to psychoanalyze the person.

This was the situation you presented. "Pretend you met me for the first time at the grocery store. We discovered, while standing in line at the deli, that we live on the same street and know some of the same people. You asked me if I attend any church. I vigorously shake my head "no" and say, "Yuk!" Walter, what would you say to me in response?"

Already, in your scenario, your rule has been broken. "You asked me if I attend any church." Certainly not an "I" statement and about as nosy as it gets, so you've already let the cat out of the bag. I wouldn't ask that to begin with, but that was your choice. If someone responded that firmly in the negative, I'd probably back up and say, "Sounds like you've had some negative church experiences." Bear in mind that in the deli line, you're not going to have all day long to psychoanalyze the person.
I'm impressed that you cracked that one wide open!

I talk with people a lot and that includes strangers out in the public. I used the method Jesus used with the woman at the well. Ask something of interest to them and see if they respond with any interest.

I talk with people a lot and that includes strangers out in the public. I used the method Jesus used with the woman at the well. Ask something of interest to them and see if they respond with any interest.
"Ask something that might be of interest to them..."

"Ask something that might be of interest to them..."OK Ms. Nit Pick.

OK Ms. Nit Pick.
You bolded too many words.

If you follow The Christ as your savior, why then are you not a Jew as he was, or did I miss his conversion?

Not so much Follow. It is not I but Christ in me. I could become anything I wish, wouldn't change a thing...I'd still be a sinner.