Hopefully a lesson that will sink in from yesterday is that we need fair, honest, and open elections. When that seems clearly not to be happening, then incidents like we saw yesterday become likely. That is not to excuse what happened at all. Those rioters should be arrested and charged, but the insane practice of ballots being mailed out to who knows who needs to stop. If it doesn't, then plan on more events like the one at the Capitol. When people begin to feel their voices are shut out of the voting process, then it gets ugly. It shouldn't, but it does. The expectation that people who want to vote can go to the polls just like they go to Walmart, ballgames, dentists, and liquor stores is not an unreasonable one. I would call it foundational. "You want to vote? Wonderful! Glad you are here. Come in with a photo ID so we can be sure our election is honest, open, and transparent. If you think that's asking too much for something so important, then try living in Venezuela for a year."

And a message to the liberal news media. They went for months excusing riots which including setting fire to a federal courthouse in Portland, an event after which, amazingly, the local police arrested NO ONE, and the ever pandering mayor joined in with the "protestors". Now they seem to be nearly apoplectic at yesterday's events. Well, in trying to have it both ways, you reinforce the label of "fake news" that many of us attach to them. Rioters actually took over parts of the city. We were told we had to be understanding, but since yesterday's group have some attachment to Trump (although that remains to be seen), the media has gone on the warpath. Double standards smell.

https://news.yahoo.com/rioters-set-fire-federal-courthouse-181227253.html

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seems Trump isn't the only one inciting insurrection and all so unnecessary

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How about you take quotes out of context??? Oh, you did....

the four mad women of the apocolypse?

the four mad women of the apocolypse?
No, JL is the Beast, posting quotes out of context.

what is the context, rioting in the streets, insurrection?

what is the context, rioting in the streets, insurrection?
Nope, not at all! Googling each quote will give you the entire context, the rest of what she said and why. Cherry picking again....

when you make yourself a target that will happen, the left might be on the ascendency but they left plenty of garbage behind

Yeah. We need to do your googling for you? Did you ever decide if you were “monied” or living on a “modest income”?

All those mail in ballots, closely monitored, no fraud. That makes the right wing looney claim just another LIE with no evidence whatsoever. Between the failed NUMEROUS court cases and senate confirmation of the election results all we have is the looneys out of control and directed by the dufus for his own nefarious purpose.

Did I mention looneys out of control directed by the dufus?

Yes it would seem so, two entirely different arguments, the one electoral fraud and irregularities, the other inciting civil disorder. What ever argument Trump may have had is nullified by inciting insurrection

The common thread between the two issues is the dufus instigating his loony cult to new heights of nefarious chaos.

As I said elsewhere, CHAOS! oh to be in DC when the chaos is in bloom

Don't forget the investigations. 5 deaths require one and a head to hang...maybe many!

there will be inquisitions and assignment of blame, the DC police chief was quick to resign, one has to wonder why

The Congress is in charge of the United States Capitol Police. I guess it would be too much to hope for to see any of them accept any responsibility.

It's actually a cooperation with many jurisdictions and defined responsibilities. If indeed the capital cops had been prepared with the proper back up of the other agencies a different outcome could have been achieved. Who would have thought the CIC would sic his minions on the very government he is charged with administering? Yes eventually all the FACTS will emerge, and how accountability is meted out will seen.

Air Force vet identified as rioter with zip ties (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/air-force-vet-identified-as-rioter-with-zip-ties/)

Zip-tie handcuffs and 'thin blue line' patch at DC riot alarm experts (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6605206002/)

Far right wing extremists and those that followed like sheep obviously had an agenda that was far beyond just protesting. The political agenda was also clear, disrupt the democratic process, and both groups should be held fully accountable top to bottom.

The loony fringers advertised well in advance and have vowed to be back SOON. They were all over the country Jan 6th, a FACT that seems lost on us public.

Far Right Rallies At Capitols Across US Show DC Mob Was Not An Isolated Incident | Actify Press (https://actifypress.com/far-right-rallies-at-capitols-across-us-show-dc-mob-was-not-an-isolated-incident/)

This has been brewing for a long time, and we shouldn't be surprised that it's boiled over in plain sight. It's domestic terrorism and there are no laws against it. Never has been.

July she called them storm troopers . Today she praises them

Nancy Pelosi Greets National Guard Troops in Front of U.S. Capitol - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrU8FbYVb8)

July she called them storm troopers . Today she praises themEveryone likes the NG when it's their backside that needs protecting.

Surprisingly like the dufus who deployed the guard during BLM protests last summer, but not against the white wing fringers he invited. We know in hindsight how that worked out.

then there is this ...

Capitol Police rejected federal help to quell DC riots - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-01-07/dc-riots-capitol-police-reject-federal-help)

The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration....Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.....Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security...Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots | Wisconsin Public Radio (wpr.org) (https://www.wpr.org/ex-capitol-police-chief-says-requests-national-guard-denied-6-times-riots)

In your link,


The failure raised serious questions over security at the Capitol and the treatment of mainly white Trump supporters who were allowed to roam through the building, compared with the Black and brown protesters across the country who demonstrated last year over police brutality.

Did a fear of the optics lead to failure as the crowd of protestors were being stoked by the administration? Most disturbing was the dufus seeing it on live TV and dithering instead of responding in a timely manner. I know what could the most powerful man in the world do when he saw them storm the capital in real time?

What did he do? Just asking.

What?? You mean a liberal dem mayor was completely unprepared for trouble??? What a shocker!

I suppose all the liberal dems who were calling for defunding the police are singing a different tune now.

Did a fear of the optics lead to failure as the crowd of protestors were being stoked by the administration? That is a question you can ask of the Capitol Police ;the Sgt at Arms ;and the Mayor of DC. Imagine what would've happened if the President deployed the Guard to the Capitol against their wishes .

What?? You mean a liberal dem mayor was completely unprepared for trouble??? What a shocker!

I suppose all the liberal dems who were calling for defunding the police are singing a different tune now.

I know you blocked me but the official response was as follows.

Bowser to DOJ, Pentagon: DC isn't asking federal law enforcement to assist with protests (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bowser-to-doj-pentagon-dc-isn-t-asking-federal-law-enforcement-to-assist-with-protests/ar-BB1cuYWi)

This indicates she was prepared for trouble.


That is a question you can ask of the Capitol Police ;the Sgt at Arms ;and the Mayor of DC. Imagine what would've happened if the President deployed the Guard to the Capitol against their wishes .

That is what the investigation is about as well as the dufus response isn't it?

That is what the investigation is about as well as the dufus response isn't it?

What investigation? Madam Mim was like the Red Queen .

“Now for the evidence,” said the King, “and then the sentence.”
“No!” said the Queen, “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”

“Now for the evidence,” said the King, “and then the sentence.”
“No!” said the Queen, “first the sentence, and then the evidence!”

You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!

Lol. You used that line before and it's still inaccurate, as impeachment is a charge and evidence is submitted at the still to be determined senate trial. The sentence comes upon conviction if any, by that senate.

Maybe this trial will have live witness testimony unlike the previous one.

You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!

That's not all he called for as we all have seen.

What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/trump-speech-riot.html)

Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3863250#post3863250)

You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!



That's not all he called for as we all have seen.

What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/trump-speech-riot.html)

Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol.




https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3863250#post3863250)

You must remember that Trump called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protests. What a instigator of riots he is!!

The depth of wilful ignorance from so many people must be seen to be believed as in the above quote. Trump's behavior inciting the thugs to march on the Capitol is on video for the world to see. Those who deny it are promoting the "Big Lie" and contributing to the domestic terror now at large in the land. Calling themselves "Patriots" with their filthy flags, slogans, and murderous behavior muddies what should be an honorable word.

Trump primed the pump and was surprised when water came out

The depth of wilful ignorance from so many people must be seen to be believed as in the above quote. Trump's behavior inciting the thugs to march on the Capitol is on video for the world to see.Yeah. Somewhere.

This is what seems to be the "smoking gun" for the liberal dems. There is not a peep anywhere in it about violence. He said nothing that dems have not said a thousand times.

“Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder. …

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

Let's not forget the dufus's public urging for VP Pence to do the right thing by NOT certifying the election results which Pence refused as unlawful. That didn't stop the PUBLIC urging though and communication to his mobsters.

Trump: If Pence 'does the right thing, we win' (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pence-does-thing-win-181802824.html)

And of course the recorded call to the Georgia governor to find him votes, is being scrutinized for criminal behavior.

All this drama mayhem and chaos over false wild and unproven claims and lies fed to the mob about a rigged election? Fringers and true dufus believers still defend this liar?

UNBELIVABLE, except we are seeing it before our eyes.


Trump primed the pump and was surprised when water came out

Sums it up nicely...what a dufus.

If ever the whole mess needed to be dumped and a fresh start made it is evidently now

It's a bigger mess than we think. Still has to be cleaned up.

so you are going to drain the swamp again? what is they say? its impossible to drain the swamp when you are up to your arse in alligators. First get rid of the alligators

BLM riots cost between 1 and 2 billions dollars and resulted in over 2,000 officers injured and about 30 people killed. The Capitol riot resulted in about 50 injured officers and 5 deaths. I wonder who Ms. Pelosi has tried to hold accountable for those BLM riots?

so you are going to drain the swamp again? what is they say? its impossible to drain the swamp when you are up to your arse in alligators. First get rid of the alligators

Needless to say Biden will get rid of the dufus alligators and replace them with more competent ones to do a much better job.

Competent alligators do they bite your arse more frequently?

Where you been? Hadn't seen a post from you in several days. Glad you're back.

Oh i dropped in for a quad bi pass had to take a break

Good grief. Prayers for a solid recovery.

Clete prayers for a complete recovery .

Hope you have a speedy recovery Clete.

Thank you for your good wishes things are going well

I have a relative who went through that a couple of months ago. He said it was heck for several weeks. Hope that is not the case with you.

Can you imagine the furor on this board if Trump had said this? ""If we fail to act, there will be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on, because there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months," Biden said.

This is just Biden setting us up for his total inability to effect change.

because there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months," Biden said.
What's your plan to change the pandemic's trajectory during the next several months?

P.S. No one can. Trump let it get this bad because he decided it would soon disappear so didn't worry about or consider a vaccine.

The pandemic cannot be tamed during the next several months. Did you read the entire speech -- or just cherry-pick that sentence?

P.S. No one can. Funny you don't say that until a liberal dem who needs LOTS of excuses is in the WH.


Trump let it get this bad because he decided it would soon disappear so didn't worry about or consider a vaccine.That is an incredible statement. We developed a vaccine in record time and are using it now. It should be called the Trump vaccine by every honest and fair-minded person.

Funny you don't say that until a liberal dem who needs LOTS of excuses is in the WH.
For half a year or more, when we could have been wearing masks and social distancing for prevention purposes, Trump was still saying covid was a big, fat nothing. And we should stop testing because it shows too many covid positives.

That is an incredible statement. We developed a vaccine in record time and are using it now. It should be called the Trump vaccine by every honest and fair-minded person.
Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine development. Do some library research about coronaviruses! Plus, he had no coronavirus vaccine distribution plan to speak of.

What's your plan to change the pandemic's trajectory during the next several months?

The truth is that the Christmas surge is already in decline and Quid most likely knows it .

The truth is that the Christmas surge is already in decline and Quid most likely knows it .
Nope. There's now a mutant or variant version swirling.

The truth is that the Christmas surge is already in decline and Quid most likely knows it .

Everybody knows it, but doesn't mean its over, just we went through another wave. We still have to increase vaccine PRODUCTION and get people vaccinated faster.

Joe full well knows that too!


Nope. There's now a mutant or variant version swirling.

That and Merck has scrapped it's vaccine program.

That is an incredible statement. We developed a vaccine in record time and are using it now

Who's "we" - you got a mouse in your pocket?


. It should be called the Trump vaccine by every honest and fair-minded person.

Be honest now. Are you here strictly for comic relief? You sure can throw out some whoppers!

For half a year or more, when we could have been wearing masks and social distancing for prevention purposes, Trump was still saying covid was a big, fat nothing.That's not true. And for that matter, when masks first began to be seen as necessary, they sold out in about five minutes and it took weeks to get ramped up to supply them in sufficient numbers.


Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine development.It was the Trump administration that spurred the development of that vaccine in record time. Who do you think did it? Pelosi?


Who's "we" - you got a mouse in your pocket?You know, "we", kind of like the United States of America? Kind of like, "We the people"??? Remember now?


Be honest now. Are you here strictly for comic relief? You sure can throw out some whoppers!Being honest is not a problem for me. I'm not a liberal dem.

That's not true. And for that matter, when masks first began to be seen as necessary, they sold out in about five minutes and it took weeks to get ramped up to supply them in sufficient numbers.
Of course, the sensible libs wore masks and social distanced. Trump was forced to wear a mask twice and always turned rallies and other social occasions into superspreader events. His supporters also eschewed following the rules.

It was the Trump administration that spurred the development of that vaccine in record time. Who do you think did it? Pelosi?
You haven't done your homework on coronaviruses, have you. Tsk!

Of course, the sensible libs wore masks and social distanced. Trump was forced to wear a mask twice and always turned rallies and other social occasions into superspreader events. His supporters also eschewed following the rules.You mean like the many dozens of democrat tolerated "peaceful demonstrations" that occurred? You mean like that? I don't have a problem with the masks. I wear mine when I'm supposed to, but the use of masks has become widespread and yet the virus is still is high gear, so I'm not convinced they are much more than marginally effective outside of the N95 medical masks that virtually no one uses. I suppose that staying at home is the most effective measure, but that's not possible and even Biden knows that. Even dem governors are having to face the music on that aspect of prevention.


You haven't done your homework on coronaviruses, have you. Tsk!That one statement certainly seems to indicate that you don't know how the vaccine was developed. It's rather equivalent to saying, "I don't know much about the virus, so I'll just say 'Tsk!' and hope it sounds otherwise." Sorry, but it didn't work. But if you REALLY want to do "your homework", here's a good place to start. And this is coming from someone who actually has done his homework.

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccine-developed-record-time-195053054.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEYx64Z0dG6WiSXl_H6z7HYW0ypo vHtuPCRhmaqHUpePZZGKXyJctSFwb94GGkXnztNpjDJ9ADy3u5 USMqaPVn8aCA6V7yGZ8WYBeREVdyyDLKfXAnQ9oUarazLLCkor mGpiumfyY8xC6RON-G_dRtkIlYPhCuV-RW9s2Gel-bBQ

Do you need the link AGAIN about the corona virus?

Coronavirus History: How did coronavirus start? (webmd.com) (https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-history)

Many good embedded links.

It will be interesting to see if the Kavanaugh accusers on this site are as quick to accept this lady's accusations against Cuomo as they were to accept the half-baked, unsupported accusations made against Kavanaugh.

Could Cuomo be the next serious candidate to be blacklisted by the cancel crowd?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-ex-aide-accuses-scandal-plagued-ny-governor-of-pervasive-sexual-harassment-in-bombshell-essay

"A former aide to Gov. Andrew Cuomo (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/andrew-cuomo) is accusing the embattled New York (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/northeast/new-york) leader of sexually harassing her -- including unwanted kissing and touching -- and says his top female staffers "normalized" the behavior. Lindsey Boylan, the former deputy secretary for economic development and special adviser to the governor, said Cuomo constantly sought her out and had staffers arrange meetings with her, where he made inappropriate comments. "

One would hope they would investigate and a lot more seriously than the one Kavanaugh had.

wait weren't we told the woman must be believed ?

Trust but VERIFY!

Natch!

“Weren’t we told the woman must be believed?”

Only when they are accusing republicans. What a boatload of hypocrisy.

And it continues. The hypocrisy of the left wing media is incredible. "ABC, CBS, NBC avoid explosive sexual harassment claims against Andrew Cuomo on evening news broadcasts."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-cbs-nbc-andrew-cuomo-lindsey-boylan-sexual-harassment

Shouldn't surprise you . Tara Reade accused Quid of far worse than that and most people don't even know about it .

Now there is a second accuser of Cuomo concerning sexual misconduct. Waiting on KH, HC, NP, and others who so willingly believed Kavanaugh's accuser to step forward and call for an investigation. For that matter, waiting on the three amigos on this site, who were all too happy to believe Kavanaugh's accuser, to call for an investigation.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/second-former-aide-accuses-cuomo-of-sexual-harassment-report

Politicians will circle the wagons defending one of their own .....at least until the indefensible happens or that person develops some powerful enemies or stands in the way etc . Political fortunes are made and broken in the blink of an eye

il Duce Cuomo was the media darling with his colloquial language .He wrote a book on leadership during the covid crisis. He was in line for a run at the presidency if Quid lost ,or in a primay challenge with VP Harris for the position in 2024 .Or he may make a run at a 4th term ;something that eluded his old man .Or go for a position in Quid's administration once he finished his box checking appointments .

It was no secret how badly he blew it with the nursing homes with his March 25th directive . But he had an image to maintain . Thus the coverup .

His misogyny was also well known and covered up . You could also add his homophobia . When he was running his old man's mayoral campaign against Ed Koch (a closet homosexual at the time ) ;il Duce put out an ad that said 'Vote for Cuomo Not the Homo .' .

I'm going to go with the powerful enemy argument . Guessing the Dems are clearing the field for Harris in 2024. Quid will either serve one term or be gone shortly (Harris has already assumed a lot of the foreign policy functions ) .Newsom they are doing the recall thingy . Cuomo they are making toxic . They may recruit NY prosecutors in the cause . I think he is already dead but just doesn't know it .

When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,

I all alone beweep my outcast state,

And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,

And look upon myself and curse my fate,
(Sonnet 29 ....Shakespeare .)

He wrote a book on leadership during the covid crisis.More likely written by someone else.

And as you mentioned earlier, the "Me Too" crowd just elected a man who has a very credible sexual assault charge lodged against him that went far beyond words or relatively innocent touches. That's what makes all of this so sickening. Liberal dems who love to preen and claim the moral high ground when it is to their advantage become eerily silent when the time comes to take a principled stand against their own. I saw video last night of HC telling us how she found Kavanaugh's accuser to be "credible". She should know how an abused woman's accusation could sound credible since she saw Monica Lewinsky's accusations against ole Bill turn out to be the very definition of "credible".

It would at least be nice for some of those high profile liberal dems to be honest enough to come forward and say the truth. "We don't care about these women. We care about power, so we're not going to say a peep against Cuomo until the time comes when it is more profitable politically to speak out than it is to be quiet." For that matter, it would be nice if the three amigos on this board would do the same. They would not be saying anything that we all don't already know. It would be far from shocking.

And right on cue we get this. "Cuomo team names judge to ‘review’ gov’s sex scandal." It can't get much more cynical than that. So now the accused gets to pick his own "judge" to review criminal accusations against him? Shame Trump didn't know that. He could have simply picked a judge to "review" the impeachment charges against him. Would've been much more simple and predictable.

"But critics of Cuomo quickly noted that Jones (the judge) is a former law-firm colleague of Steve Cohen, a former top aide to Cuomo."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cynthia-nixon-others-scoff-after-cuomo-team-names-judge-to-review-govs-sex-scandal

another Moreland commission white wash.

(16) Andrew Cuomo on Twitter: "Elected leaders have a responsibility to stand up for survivors of sexual abuse. Senate Republicans must #BelieveSurvivors." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1047535040341716992)

Very disappointed at the non response of some on this board. It says a lot.

Ok Tom I'm on record as saying survivors of sexual abuse are to be believed and action taken. But I don't know what you want afterall this is a no brainer.

The NY AG is heading the investigation as it should be. Whatever happened to the old school slap across the face as a consequence for stealing a kiss? Or a kick in the nuts? Nevermind it's not worth the death penalty for these women.

And now it's three. That number corresponds to the number of the three silent amigos.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/gov-cuomo-responds-mounting-backlash-independent-review-sexual/story?id=76166516&cid=clicksource_4380645_5_three_posts_card_hed

Can't wait for the investigations can you? You righties have no problem being silent about the dufus allegations a few of which are in the court process as we speak.

Pot or kettle take your pick.

forget Trump he is yesterday's man just like Biden

forget Trump he is yesterday's man just like Biden

Trump is still the leader of so many of the ill-informed and those seeking power and influence at the cost of serving their country.

Biden is doing an excellent job informing the public about Covid and getting the vaccine into arms. He has 4 more years to show what he can do - hardly yesterday's man.

Yep. Four more years of this.





Iraq rocket fire targets base hosting US, coalition forces

US military officials were expecting possible retaliation after President Biden ordered airstrikes in Syria last week

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iraq-rocket-fire-targets-base-hosting-us-coalition-forces-report

Yep. Four more years of this.



https://www.foxnews.com/world/iraq-rocket-fire-targets-base-hosting-us-coalition-forces-report

They shoot rockets we shoot back..DUH!

Thankfully, Mr. Biden will always, "choose truth over facts." Yep. You can't let those pesky facts get in the way of the truth. Or is it the other way around???

He's a mental giant.

You mean he is not a genius like the last one, or two or three

I don't know the last time we had a genius in the WH. I also don't know the last time you had a genius as a PM.

They all think they are geniuses, Trump certainly did, and I'm sure Krudd did, but at least ours can put more than two words together coherently

but at least ours can put more than two words together coherentlyBut couldn't match Trump's economic growth, so if the proof is in the pudding...

28 years without a recession, he isn't in the same league

Other than 2020, which saw the first two quarters have negative GDP growth, which is the textbook definition of a recession??? You do realize that there is a thing called the internet which can be used to double check claims???

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/gdp-growth

And then there is this. "Speaking to reporters in Canberra, the treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, said this was “the first time in recorded history that Australia has seen two consecutive quarters of economic growth of more than 3%."

Those two quarters amounted to the first time since 2000 that your GDP growth exceeded 2%. I wouldn't call that a "league" of all-stars. As I have said before, you make a good statement, but then go much too far with it to the point of simply being wrong.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/australias-economic-recovery-continues-with-31-25-growth-in-december-quarter/ar-BB1eaWsD

Yes we all suffered from a covid led recession, nothing to do with the quality of leadership, but we bounced back quickly meanwhile your economy is still in it

And again, you are simply wrong. Our third quarter recovery was the highest in our history, and the fourth quarter showed positive growth as well. Do you ever check your data?? We are not in a recession. Now Biden might change that, but at present we are not.

glad to hear it, since getting a zipper I don't spend time in useless pursuits but then I'm still here arn't I?

but then I'm still here arn't I?Thank God for that. Hope you recover speedily. I do know that those open heart affairs are not fun.

what is not fun is sleepless nights in the ICU and CCU

what is not fun is sleepless nights in the ICU and CCU
Australian hospitals don't let patients sleep either? -- chimes and bells ringing, doors slamming, cries of "help me!" bouncing off the walls, alarms going off, CNAs or nurses waking you up by flashing a bright light in your face at 4 am to check your vitals or merely to ask if you're awake.

what is not fun is sleepless nights in the ICU and CCUI've never been there, but I can imagine it is tough.

Australian hospitals don't let patients sleep either? -- chimes and bells ringing, doors slamming, cries of "help me!" bouncing off the walls, alarms going off, CNAs or nurses waking you up by flashing a bright light in your face at 4 am to check your vitals or merely to ask if you're awake.

No uncooperative patients, beds that are diabolic and designed to have you squashed into a ball, uncooperative nurses who think that one day after a bypass you can lift yourself, outside of that Aussie hospitals are of high standard

uncooperative nurses who think that one day after a bypass you can lift yourselfI think that is standard practice. They want you on your feet ASAP. I'm glad I'm not a nurse on a cardiac ward.

"Cuomo advisers altered report on coronavirus nursing-home deaths:"

Probably dying a slow political death now. If it gets bad enough, then ABC and CNN might even pick the story up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-advisers-altered-report-on-coronavirus-nursing-home-deaths-wsj

It's been all over the mainstream media including MSNBC the #1 cable media in the nation for the last few months with Maddow on top of the heap.

Rachel Maddow Is Most-Watched In February, As MSNBC Leads All Cable Networks (forbes.com) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/02/26/rachel-maddow-is-most-watched-in-february-as-msnbc-leads-all-cable-networks/?sh=2fd53e0339a2)

I think that is standard practice. They want you on your feet ASAP. I'm glad I'm not a nurse on a cardiac ward.

No you are not allowed to lift with your arms and nothing over 2KG for six weeks

I don't mean harvesting hay bales. I mean walking in any capacity you can. I know here that they want you up on your feet and kind of toddling along the day after the surgery. I imagine it's brutal but necessary.

I don't mean harvesting hay bales. I mean walking in any capacity you can. I know here that they want you up on your feet and kind of toddling along the day after the surgery. I imagine it's brutal but necessary.

I was toddling along the day after surgery, the issue isn't getting out of bed, the issue is sleeping, rest is important in recovery and you can't sleep if you get in an uncomfortable position, There are however some lazy nurses

I can only imagine. I would think it would be very tough.

The Biden administration finds about a hundred illegals trying to cross the border who were positive for Covid. Their response? "Send them on through! Nothing to be concerned about here." So they put them on buses to go...wherever. Pitiful.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/108-migrants-released-border-patrol-texas-positive-coronavirus

ah well what's a good leftist without compassion for the less fortunate or in this case the equally fortunate now if you had real laws which quarantine all travellers you wouldn't have a problem

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk030721dAPR20210305084509.jpg

Lot of Neanderthal's about, eh?

Lot of Neanderthal's about, eh?

All over the friggin world.

Yes strange about that, they are like arseholes, everybody knows one

Seven women now have accused Cuomo of sexual assault, and yet our courageous twin presidents, Harris and Biden, are strangely silent. The three liberals on this board are strangely silent, and much of the news media is strangely silent. I don't know if he's guilty or not, but the seven women at least deserve a hearing, or better yet to have the man charged with a crime. It's just the ole double standard at work yet again.

Biden is probably silent because a pretty credible charge was leveled against him as well, and that woman has never had her day in court either. So I suppose the lesson is that if you are a powerful liberal dem pol, you can get away with practically anything.

So I suppose the lesson is that if you are a powerful liberal dem pol, you can get away with practically anything.
Yeah, let's line them up. Kavanaugh is at the head of the line. (P.S. I could keep you up all night with personal and female friends' stories about unwanted and uninvited male sexual contact.)

Kavanaugh is at the head of the line.

The leader with second place nowhere in sight is the former president DJ Trump. The white evangelicals betray themselves when they betray their Christianity for such a work of evil as Trump.

The leader with second place nowhere in sight is the former president DJ Trump.
My mistake. HE should be at the head of the line. How quickly I forget! I haven't thought about him in weeks!

Yeah, let's line them up. Kavanaugh is at the head of the line. (P.S. I could keep you up all night with personal and female friends' stories about unwanted and uninvited male sexual contact.)OK. How many even remotely credible accusations were made against Kavanaugh? Zero. How many witnesses backed up Ford's accusations? Zero. Was Ford unable to remember a large number of important details? Yes. Was there a hearing/investigation about it all? Yes.

As to Trump, I would be all in favor of an investigation into those allegations. If he is guilty, then he should pay the price. I feel the same way about Cuomo.

You two just strike me as being so cowardly. You mention Kavanaugh and Trump, and yet never mention Biden or Cuomo. The charges against both are every bit as credible as those against Trump, but because of political prejudices, you don't mention them. Pitiful. And all Athos can do, as usual, is fall back to his racist, prejudiced mention of "white evangelicals". As is oftentimes the case, the only real racist, and the only one to bring up race, is the liberal dem.

My mistake. HE should be at the head of the line. How quickly I forget! I haven't thought about him in weeks!

No problem. Trump lives rent-free in my head, and he will do so until he's finally in prison where he belongs.

If Trump belongs in prison for SA, then how about Biden and Cuomo? Oh well. That's another question that will go unanswered.

You two just strike me as being so cowardly. You mention Kavanaugh and Trump, and yet never mention Biden or Cuomo.
Biden and Cuomo had already been mentioned. The line is very long.

Biden and Cuomo had already been mentioned.Not by the two of you, but at any rate, I'll take your answer to mean that the three of them could share a cell. That would at least be a step towards consistency and honesty. It is good to see.

Not by the two of you, but at any rate, I'll take your answer to mean that the three of them could share a cell.
Four of them. You're innocent, of course.

Don't be evasive. Do you think that Cuomo and Biden are as guilty as you say Trump is?

Don't be evasive. Do you think that Cuomo and Biden are as guilty as you say Trump is?
We have Trump's admissions of guilt (actually bragging about it) on video.

No, you don't. But you do have seven women now who have accused your hero, Cuomo, and we have your absolute refusal to stand up for assaulted women when it's a prime-time liberal dem who is accused of doing it. I'm amazed you are OK with that. It drips with hypocrisy. But at least you're in like company with Biden and Harris.

No, you don't.
Here's an audio to get you going.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhsSzIS84ks

From Wikipedia regarding the above:

On October 7, 2016, during the 2016 United States presidential election (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election), The Washington Post (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post) published a video and accompanying article about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump) and television host Billy Bush (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush) having "an extremely lewd conversation about women" in 2005. Trump and Bush were in a bus on their way to film an episode of Access Hollywood (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Hollywood), a show owned by NBCUniversal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBCUniversal). In the video, Trump described his attempt to seduce a married woman and indicated he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the [/URL]. You can do anything."[URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape#cite_note-1"][1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/#Female_genitalia) Commentators and lawyers have described such an action as sexual assault (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault).[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape#cite_note-2)

Why do we need this Trump is history, over the next four years he will fade, if you can find a republican who can stand up, put two words together and stand for nothing, why don't you ask Jerry Seinfeld

The problem with your theory is that no name was ever associated with it. No name = no crime. Now if you want to suggest that Trump's comments were sickening, then you've got a point. But when you absolutely refuse to even whisper the names of Biden and Cuomo, then it makes it pretty clear that you have little interest in defending women and great interest in scoring political points.

The problem with your theory is that no name was ever associated with it. No name = no crime. Now if you want to suggest that Trump's comments were sickening, then you've got a point. But when you absolutely refuse to even whisper the names of Biden and Cuomo, then it makes it pretty clear that you have little interest in defending women and great interest in scoring political points.

Nice try to switch the argument Tom, you don't want to talk about Trump, you want to talk about women's issues. The day of chivalry is over, women can defend themselves, they played the defenseless me card too often. Ok Trump took advantage of women, money and power enables men like him to do that, but tarring every male with the same brush as women do is a bridge too far. Let us move on from yesterday's man, Trump and discuss some real issues, like what is Biden going to do about China, he has been strangely silent since he took office

The post you referred to was by JL, not Tom.

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/stg022521dAPR20210224034502.jpg?fbclid=IwAR3qg4_Wq bMuwIVSoJ1U7gx3_mBWd4_Bc9AMXGOVrlxqhFvBeXwlc-bgQ3c

perspective is everything

Thank goodness for the Biden admin's commitment to openness.

"Biden giving media 'zero access' to border operations."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/photojournalist-biden-media-access-border-patrol-operations

Cleaning up the dufus mess is a works in progress

Oh come on Tal, Biden needs to get an agenda of his own and ditch the cancel culture

For liberal dems, it always comes back to criticizing their republican predecessor. Obama did the same thing. It's because they really can't defend what they're doing.

Saw this earlier today on another site. If you're wondering why the influx of unescorted minor illegals across our border is a concern to Biden, it's not the number but rather the age that bothers him. The young ones can not come across and immediately become democrat voters as they're too young!

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/162977028_10225188422046102_4626403246288539702_o. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=aW9AESpNm30AX903nOn&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=f4aff1a48ac69c90a533192e9940c962&oe=607C91CD

Oh come on Tal, Biden needs to get an agenda of his own and ditch the cancel culture

Hard to argue such twisted fuzzy logic as that Clete.


For liberal dems, it always comes back to criticizing their republican predecessor. Obama did the same thing. It's because they really can't defend what they're doing.

That's a pretty weird spin on the dufus's administration which was so bad he got fired after being impeached twice. Why does Joe and dems have to defend needing more mops to clean up the mess the dufus and repubs left?


Saw this earlier today on another site. If you're wondering why the influx of unescorted minor illegals across our border is a concern to Biden, it's not the number but rather the age that bothers him. The young ones can not come across and immediately become democrat voters as they're too young!

The only ones doing the wondering is the righties who defend the dufus and repubs for failing to even address the mess at the southern border. Yeah criticize Joe and the dems for it which is typical right wing failure to be responsible for the 4 years of words, actions, and deeds that got you booted from the house, senate, and white house.

Same response to the Tomder cartoon.

It's just like the crisis on the border (which doesn't exist) which was caused by the Trump admin. Hilarious.

For liberal dems, it always comes back to criticizing their republican predecessor. Obama did the same thing. It's because they really can't defend what they're doing.
Thank goodness dems have never ever heard repubs crab about Obama.


It's just like the crisis on the border (which doesn't exist) which was caused by the Trump admin. Hilarious.
And Trump so cleverly and deftly solved the southern border problem by building that big, unscalable, beautiful wall!

And Trump so cleverly and deftly solved the southern border problem by building that big, unscalable, beautiful wall!Illegal crossings have skyrocketed with Biden, so whatever Trump did, Harris should copy it. She would be wise to finish the wall which is working in the areas where it's located.

BTW, Wondergirl, I am patiently waiting for you to hammer the Harris admin for locking up children and teens in the same way you did Trump. Or is your outrage merely politically driven???

Illegal crossings have skyrocketed with Biden, so whatever Trump did, Harris should copy it. She would be wise to finish the wall which is working in the areas where it's located.
Oh, now it's on Harris. I get it!

BTW, Wondergirl, I am patiently waiting for you to hammer the Harris admin for locking up children and teens in the same way you did Trump. Or is your outrage merely politically driven???
I have no clue as to what you're talking about. I "hammered" Trump about locking up children and teens? You have me confused with someone else. I didn't/don't like the idea but it was supposedly done for their safety. How did that work out?

You fringers never quit. Not only has Joe started the clean up and recovery of the dufus mess, but it's all hands on deck at the mess the right keeps making as we speak. It's going to be embarrassing when the pictures do finally come out of the humane treatment of migrants and citizens but also realizing the whole world is happy and relieved we are solving our dufus and right wing loony problems.

I don't think the right realizes yet how big of a mess they have made of things, or how enormous the task is to restore sanity and good orderly direction to the country. Of course nobody expects any help from them, since they may need all the help we can give our wayward misguided fellow citizens.

Oh, now it's on Harris. I get it!I really wish you did.


I have no clue as to what you're talking about. I "hammered" Trump about locking up children and teens? You have me confused with someone else. I didn't/don't like the idea but it was supposedly done for their safety. How did that work out?Right. It was just someone else named "Wondergirl".

Right. It was just someone else named "Wondergirl".
Please quote three statements I made on this site where I "hammered" Trump.

P.S. Hammer means attack or criticize forcefully and relentlessly. Um, you don't know me very well.That's not my style.

Same response to the Tomder cartoon. wonder when Saturday Night Live will run skits of Quid tripping up the steps .


The only ones doing the wondering is the righties who defend the dufus and repubs for failing to even address the mess at the southern border. Yeah criticize Joe and the dems for it which is typical right wing failure to be responsible for the 4 years of words, actions, and deeds that got you booted from the house, senate, and white house.

There is the equivalent of a major American city illegally crossing the border daily since Quid became President . Most of them are here because Quid during the election said they would be welcome .
I don't blame them . Many of them made a perilous journey through the Darien Gap between Colombia and Panama . The Darien Gap is as close to Dante's hell as there is on earth . Many of the unaccompanied kids are because their parents were murdered on the way.
None of them would've made that journey if not for quid's promises of entering the land of milk and honey . The fault for the current crisis is SOLEY on Quid .

Tracing a Perilous Journey | Duke Today (https://today.duke.edu/2021/03/tracing-perilous-journey)

How does four sound???

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847801&p=3860044#post3860044

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847801&page=3&p=3860097#post3860097

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847844&page=2&p=3861027#post3861027

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847479&p=3852653#post3852653

Now see how easy it is to just simply answer a question? It doesn't require jumping through hoops, being evasive, looking the other way, or being afraid of having your beliefs examined. You simply put down an answer.

wonder when Saturday Night Live will run skits of Quid tripping up the steps .Don't hold your breath, Tom.

https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/164061246_10220140667768877_2576089637997592894_n. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=MX9GDAGRu1sAX-e1r92&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-1.fna&oh=a908cef2531b5f69dcfb7ef58360797c&oe=607D1EBA

How does four sound???
That's me hammering Trump? Let me define that word again for you: Hammer means attack or criticize forcefully and relentlessly. There was NO hammering going on in those posts of mine you unearthed.

You answered a question? I must have missed it.

I will concede that hammer was too harsh a term. Perhaps we could simply use "criticize". So when do you intend to criticize Biden and Harris for their treatment of children and teens on the border?

I will concede that hammer was too harsh a term. Perhaps we could simply use "criticize". So when do you intend to criticize Biden and Harris for their treatment of children and teens on the border?
I will do my utmost (as this plays out) not only to criticize Biden and Harris for their handling of southern-border refugees, but will suggest helps and possible solutions. Wish I were younger and could go down there to throw in ideas.

I suppose your reply passes at some level as criticism. As to solutions, a wall across the southern border would stop 95% of the problem.

Still waiting on you to level at least the same amount of disapproval toward Cuomo as you did towards Kavanaugh. Wouldn't basic fairness dictate a response?

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/03/1862/1048/cuellar4.jpg?ve=1&tl=1https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/03/1862/1048/cuellar3.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

I suppose your reply passes at some level as criticism. As to solutions, a wall across the southern border would stop 95% of the problem.
That was tried by a master businessman -- and it failed. Also, it has been shown that any wall can be scaled or tunneled under.

Still waiting on you to level at least the same amount of disapproval toward Cuomo as you did towards Kavanaugh. Wouldn't basic fairness dictate a response?
Cuomo is up for the Supreme Court?

That was tried by a master businessman -- and it failed. Also, it has been shown that any wall can be scaled or tunneled under.Some of it is up. Want to guess how many tunnels are under it?



Cuomo is up for the Supreme Court?


Good grief. What a pathetic excuse. So sexual assault is OK so long is it is now a SC nominee accused of it? Wow. That's really a new low.

Some of it is up. Want to guess how many tunnels are under it?
No tunnels needed. We walk around the short sections that were built.

Good grief. What a pathetic excuse. So sexual assault is OK so long is it is now a SC nominee accused of it? Wow. That's really a new low.
You totally missed the point.

We walk around the short sections that were built.Maybe you should ponder that a bit.


You totally missed the point.
I got the point completely. More of the slick evasiveness. You don't want your beliefs examined, so you just punt. It's been your MO since forever.

Maybe you should ponder that a bit.
Ponder as we walk?

I got the point completely. More of the slick evasiveness. You don't want your beliefs examined, so you just punt. It's been your MO since forever.
Nope, you missed the point completely. I'll help you a bit with a hint: Why did I object to Kavanaugh being a Supreme?

I think I understand the point entirely. You don't like answering questions because it opens up your beliefs to scrutiny and you don't like that. So you just toss out silliness such as, "I'll help you a bit with a hint." You would be much more helpful with some courage. Alas, I don't expect to see it.

I think I understand the point entirely. You don't like answering questions because it opens up your beliefs to scrutiny and you don't like that. So you just toss out silliness such as, "I'll help you a bit with a hint." You would be much more helpful with some courage. Alas, I don't expect to see it.
The point (two of them):
1. What office was Kavanaugh up for?
2. What office does Cuomo hold?
See the difference? Ah, well. You still refuse to think about it and the difference between the two offices and why I was more concerned with Kavanaugh becoming a Supreme than I am with Cuomo retaining his current position. (And, btw, no matter what answer I give you, you'll claim I'm wrong -- and probably have a proof passage to toss into my face.)

That was tried by a master businessman -- and it failed. Also, it has been shown that any wall can be scaled or tunneled under. Some are scaling the wall . Not to the degree of the invasion now. Most are walking through the gaps in the wall .

So it’s ok for a DEMOCRAT gov to sexually assault several women, but not ok for a SCOTUS justice to be accused of one such incident when he was a teen. Why yes, that explains it!!

So it’s ok for a DEMOCRAT gov to sexually assault several women, but not ok for a SCOTUS justice to be accused of one such incident when he was a teen. Why yes, that explains it!!
Why are you so sexually repressed??? Sexually obsessed??? Groping is what teen boys and men do! Look beyond that! Sheesh!

No wonder you don’t want your beliefs examined. If I believed that foolishness I wouldn’t answer questions either.

No wonder you don’t want your beliefs examined. If I believed that foolishness I wouldn’t answer questions either.
Ah, now I know! Avoid, avoid, avoid.

You finally assess yourself accurately. Congratulations.

What strange beliefs you have. A democrat gov is allowed to get away with virtually anything while you lose your mind about a conservative. Very sad. Perhaps it is best that you continue to demure.

You finally assess yourself accurately. Congratulations.
How you twist people's words. No wonder we get weary of these exchanges with you.

What strange beliefs you have. A democrat gov is allowed to get away with virtually anything while you lose your mind about a conservative. Very sad. Perhaps it is best that you continue to demure.
Some night when you can't sleep, call me and I'll tell you stories about ... never mind. Where did that conservative end up? How many others of his ilk are there? Does being conservative affect his ability to make Court decisions?

It's alright WG. You don't like to answer questions, so you reply with more questions. I understand. Don't worry about it.

It's alright WG. You don't like to answer questions, so you reply with more questions. I understand. Don't worry about it.
No, you don't understand at all. Your questions are loaded. By asking questions in response, I'm attempting to make you clarify and simplify. You refuse and hope I'll tumble down the rabbit hole.

Nah. Just slick evasiveness.

Nah. Just slick evasiveness.
Yep, that's you!

Nah. Just slick evasiveness.

Yes that is what you do all the time

See WG? Even clete sees it.

Yes that is what you do all the time
Who is "you"? :-D

There’s only one who fits and it’s not me. Or perhaps two if we include Aussie land?

There’s only one who fits and it’s not me. Or perhaps two if we include Aussie land?
Um, he was talking to you.

About you. No one else fits the description.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3865716#post3865716)
Nah. Just slick evasiveness.

Yes that is what you do all the time
Had 'clete meant me, he would have said "she" instead of "you".

Unless the reply was to you.

Questions. Questions.

Unless the reply was to you.
It was to you.

Questions.

Who is "you"? :-D

JL who else, by the way Jl, I don't spend my time deflecting

JL who else, by the way Jl, I don't spend my time deflecting

WG -1, JL - Zero.

Unanswered questions. WG -101, JL - Zero.

The present unanswered question. Why are you silent with liberal dem Cuomo's many sexual assault allegations when you were so vocal about conservative Kavanaugh's allegation? For that matter, why are you silent about liberal dem Biden's sexaul assault allegation, an allegation far more believable than the one against Kavanaugh? Is there a pattern there?


by the way Jl, I don't spend my time deflectingNo. You just spend your time talking about issues you know very little about.

Why are you silent with liberal dem Cuomo's many sexual assault allegations when you were so vocal about conservative Kavanaugh's allegation? For that matter, why are you silent about liberal dem Biden's sexaul assault allegation, an allegation far more believable than the one against Kavanaugh? Is there a pattern there?

Why are you so silent about the dozen and more sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape allegations of Trump? Far more credible than either Kavanaugh or Cuomo. Is there a pattern there?


No. You just spend your time talking about issues you know very little about.

Wow - Mr. Nasty raises his nasty head.

For a guy who is supposedly ignoring me, you sure are seeking a lot of feedback. You even commented about my comment to Clete. Troll alert??


Why are you so silent about the dozen and more sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape allegations of Trump? Far more credible than either Kavanaugh or Cuomo. Is there a pattern there?I haven't been quiet. I say the same thing about those as for any others. They should be investigated and, if warranted, prosecuted. The same is true for Biden and Cuomo. They are not guilty because a charge has been made, but the women deserve justice.

Do you agree with that for all three men? (Notice to everyone reading this. I doubt Athos will directly answer this question. He and WG generally don't.)

Do you agree with that for all three men? (Notice to everyone reading this. I doubt Athos will directly answer this question. He and WG generally don't.)
Of course, there should be investigations done. That will include why these women waited so long, waited until the men were becoming important public/political figures.

Please stop with the putdowns. They're a form of abuse.

Please stop with the putdowns. They're a form of abuse.Are you saying that to Athos as well?

I am glad to see you call for investigations into both Biden and Cuomo even if I had to be the one to bring them up. And that is sincerely spoken.

Are you saying that to Athos as well?
You constantly and consistently put down anyone you disagree with. I haven't read putdowns in Athos' responses to you or anyone else. Please list three.

I am glad to see you call for investigations into both Biden and Cuomo even if I had to be the one to bring them up. And that is sincerely spoken.
...AND investigations into why the women waited (for years!) until now.

You constantly and consistently put down anyone you disagree with. I haven't read putdowns in Athos' responses to you or anyone else. Please list three.

1. "Wow - Mr. Nasty raises his nasty head." Spoken of me.
2. "We've all taken the measure of you here, and know you have a deceitful nature."
3. " I understand you thrive on getting replies like any troll, but this is really getting ridiculous." (He has called me a troll on a number of occasions. I am not a troll.)

Should I go on??? Now I'll ask you to list three putdowns from me. Make sure they are not simply observations of truth such as the demonstrable fact that you don't like to answer questions.


...AND investigations into why the women waited (for years!) until now.Did you call for that with Kavanaugh???

Now I'll ask you to list three putdowns [of Athos] from me. Make sure they are not simply observations of truth such as the demonstrable fact that you don't like to answer questions.
From the thread, Trump demands money from Republicans --

* I can hardly wait. Maybe your honesty has improved since then.
* 1. You are, for whatever reason, afraid to address specific texts (unarguable).
* ...your idea, a proposition that would get you laughed out of many sixth grade classrooms
* You are, for whatever reason, afraid to address specific texts.
* I imagine everyone here but you gets it
* It's because your non-replies are due to your fear.
* Your memory is failing for sure.
* Have you no imagination?
* it only works when you actually are...right.
* Once again, you are afraid (or unable?) to answer.
* Is your memory always this bad???
* You have really become predictable.
* I have called you no names and have not insulted you.
* I just don't pay attention to your view of it.
* It is just amazing to me to see how fearful you are of even the most simple discussion of a Bible text. You always drop back into drama queen mode. At any rate, since you are afraid....
* Oh stop with the drama queen routine. Try thinking a little bit.
* Not relying on charity gets people like you off the hook.
* Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
* Now there actually is some Bible support for that, but you seem not to know it.
* Interesting how he employs the Bible when it's convenient.
* And given your checkered history of answering questions, I doubt an answer will be forthcoming.

Did you call for that with Kavanaugh???
Yup!

Did you call for that with Kavanaugh???


Yup!I don't recall that, but if you say so, then fine.


As to your quotes, which of them were untrue? These last six, for instance. Which were insults as opposed to being observations of fact?

Oh stop with the drama queen routine. Try thinking a little bit.
What prompted that reply??
Not relying on charity gets people like you off the hook.
Accurate statement
Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Was another accurate statement
Now there actually is some Bible support for that, but you seem not to know it.
How is that insulting?
Interesting how he employs the Bible when it's convenient.
Was absolutely accurate.
And given your checkered history of answering questions, I doubt an answer will be forthcoming.
Another accurate observation.

As to your quotes, which of them were untrue? These last six, for instance. Which were insults as opposed to being observations of fact?
All listed were in ONE thread and were totally unnecessary. Far better would have been an intelligent comment supporting or refuting the topic(s) being discussed.

The drama queen remark was said in response to this. "Thank you for posting this. It is good for all to see that your defense of the Bible is second to your love of Mammon. Like the Pharisees, you challenge the words of Jesus. You spin his words to mean something never intended. That is your nasty habit of twisting words rising again."

Would you say that was, " totally unnecessary. Far better would have been an intelligent comment supporting or refuting the topic(s) being discussed."

This statement by you was really strange. Do you still stand by it? " I haven't read putdowns in Athos' responses to you or anyone else." Well, you've seen them now, so are you prepared to tell Athos to, "stop with the putdowns. They're a form of abuse?"

And then there is this from five minutes ago posted directly below your post. "Lol - he is amazing, N'est-ce Pa?" And you really want to say you haven't read putdowns from Athos???

From the thread, Trump demands money from Republicans --

* I can hardly wait. Maybe your honesty has improved since then.
* 1. You are, for whatever reason, afraid to address specific texts (unarguable).
* ...your idea, a proposition that would get you laughed out of many sixth grade classrooms
* You are, for whatever reason, afraid to address specific texts.
* I imagine everyone here but you gets it
* It's because your non-replies are due to your fear.
* Your memory is failing for sure.
* Have you no imagination?
* it only works when you actually are...right.
* Once again, you are afraid (or unable?) to answer.
* Is your memory always this bad???
* You have really become predictable.
* I have called you no names and have not insulted you.
* I just don't pay attention to your view of it.
* It is just amazing to me to see how fearful you are of even the most simple discussion of a Bible text. You always drop back into drama queen mode. At any rate, since you are afraid....
* Oh stop with the drama queen routine. Try thinking a little bit.
* Not relying on charity gets people like you off the hook.
* Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
* Now there actually is some Bible support for that, but you seem not to know it.
* Interesting how he employs the Bible when it's convenient.
* And given your checkered history of answering questions, I doubt an answer will be forthcoming.

Yup!

Lol - a good laugh is always welcome. Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment. He and the new guy make a good pair.

Lol - a good laugh is always welcome. Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment. He and the new guy make a good pair.WG has had to give up her position as the civility police. When she considers you and says she's never noticed a putdown from you, then that is the ultimate good laugh. One has to look no farther than this. "Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment." So it's over. It's like someone trying to say they've never noticed Cuomo making a sexual remark to a woman.

WG has had to give up her position as the civility police. When she considers you and says she's never noticed a putdown from you, then that is the ultimate good laugh. One has to look no farther than this. "Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment." So it's over.
That's no putdown. Athos is speaking the truth.

It's like someone trying to say they've never noticed Cuomo making a sexual remark to a woman.
Have you made a sexual remark to a woman? Find me a man who hasn't. That's what men do. It's like male peacocks flashing their brightly colored plumage to attract a peahen.

That's no putdown. Athos is speaking the truth.Sorry, but you are out of your position. There are questions you should answer and won't, so until then, you're just one of us rude people.


Have you made a sexual remark to a woman? Find me a man who hasn't. That's what men do. It's like male peacocks flashing their brightly colored plumage to attract a peahen.It's surprising to find out that you approve of men making sexual comments to women, but at least it's a moment of honesty.

It's surprising to find out that you approve of men making sexual comments to women, but at least it's a moment of honesty.
Where did I say I approve? I said, "That's what men do." It's called a statement of fact.

OK. Well then, you disapprove, so it's hard to imagine why you even made the statement to begin with, and why you would compare it to, "...male peacocks flashing their brightly colored plumage to attract a peahen." So male peacocks are wrong to do that? You seem very confused. And remember that seeming putdowns are OK so long as you think they are true.

One more thing. Athos stated, "Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment." You replied, "That's no putdown. Athos is speaking the truth." How could you possibly know that I was "steaming", or that I was projecting my, "anger onto whomever was available"? You weren't here, so how could you possibly know that was true? Isn't it really more of a situation where if Athos does it, then it's OK, kind of like Biden putting kids into cages is suddenly not worth you commenting on the way you did with Trump?

Which of the many comments of mine you posted above were not true? If they are true (and they are), then why did you say they were putdowns? Is the ole double standard rearing its head again?

OK. Well then, you disapprove,
Now you say I disapprove? Please tell me how you know this.

So male peacocks are wrong to do that? You seem very confused. And remember that seeming putdowns are OK so long as you think they are true.
It wasn't a putdown and I'm not confused; it was a statement of fact. (Hint: biology)

How could you possibly know that I was "steaming", or that I was projecting my, "anger onto whomever was available"?
I saw steam wafting out of the back of my Kindle and figured it was from you.

I saw steam wafting out of the back of my Kindle and figured it was from you.The usual nonsense, and that's not a putdown since it's true. You never want to have your beliefs examined. Fearful, I guess. And again, that certainly seems true.


Now you say I disapprove? Please tell me how you know this.OK. Then you made the statement to give us all the stunning news that men are physically attracted to women. Or perhaps it was a completely meaningless comment? At any rate, just forget it. It's not that important. It never was.

The usual nonsense, and that's not a putdown since it's true.
Yeah, I figured Mississippi was where the steam was coming from

You never want to have your beliefs examined. Fearful, I guess. And again, that certainly seems true.
You've never honestly asked me.

OK. Then you made the statement to give us all the stunning news that men are physically attracted to women. Or perhaps it was a completely meaningless comment?
Trump is. Cuomo is. Kavanaugh is. You're not?

You've never honestly asked me.Sure I have. I just did.


One more thing. Athos stated, "Our friend is steaming by now. He projects his anger onto whomever is available at the moment." You replied, "That's no putdown. Athos is speaking the truth." How could you possibly know that I was "steaming", or that I was projecting my, "anger onto whomever was available"? You weren't here, so how could you possibly know that was true? Isn't it really more of a situation where if Athos does it, then it's OK, kind of like Biden putting kids into cages is suddenly not worth you commenting on the way you did with Trump?

Which of the many comments of mine you posted above were not true? If they are true (and they are), then why did you say they were putdowns? Is the ole double standard rearing its head again?The only "answer" is just silly nonsense about steam coming out of your computer. Ridiculous. And then you just certainly seemed to lie and say I've never asked. What is it with you?

And that's not to mention an unanswered PM.


Trump is. Cuomo is. Kavanaugh is. You're not?Are you?

Will be interesting to see the liberal outrage on this board about the children caged like stray dogs on the border. Well, it would be an outrage if Trump was doing it. Biden will get the ole double standard pass.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExbXBlKWEAkOIGx?format=jpg&name=large

Hyperbole, Biden has said he won't refuse them, he didn't say how he would accommodate them

Typical fringer yackety yak. Put up with a lying, cheating dufus making a huge mess for 4 years, and criticize the new guy for not getting it cleaned up fast enough.

I'm hearing that Quid an company are turning the San Diego Convention Center into a "temporary' permanent illegals processing center for minors . I guess they will get a front row seat for Comicon. 1,400 initially . I'm sure they will have luxurious accommodations, and properly socially distanced .

I got a radical idea that would end the problem tomorrow . Immediate deportation . Once the word starts spreading that Quid's open border agenda is at an end ;you would be surprised at how fast the crisis that they refuse to call a crisis would end.

BTW ;Quid did what President's do when there is something that is a no win for them to do .....he handed it off to his VP .

Same for the Dallas Convention and a few military bases. Don't know why you righties hate KIDS, or need a heavily armed gunboat to tour the Rio Grande.

'This is a humanitarian crisis': Republican senators, including Cruz and Cornyn tour detention facilities in Rio Grande Valley | wfaa.com (https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/republican-senators-including-ted-cruz-and-john-cornyn-tour-detention-facilities-in-rio-grande-valley/287-d4c2df2d-ae48-4115-a0fc-a00a072027b3)

heavily armed gunboat to tour the Rio Grande.

Maybe this has something to do with it .

Drug, Human Smuggling, Cartel Shootouts with Police Escalate in Rio Grande Valley – Homeland Security Today (hstoday.us) (https://www.hstoday.us/kimery-report/drug-human-smuggling-cartel-shootouts-with-police-escalate-in-rio-grande-valley/)

South Texas High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (justice.gov) (https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs22/22796/22796p.pdf)

Color-coded passage: Why smugglers are tagging U.S.-bound migrants with wristbands | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-border/color-coded-passage-why-smugglers-are-tagging-u-s-bound-migrants-with-wristbands-idUSKBN2B12E6)

I got a radical idea that would end the problem tomorrow . Immediate deportation

Biden, thank God, does not think in those Trumpian terms - as a novel presence in the WH, he is trying to deal with a difficult problem, among others at the moment. As a nation, we should practice what we preach.

heavily armed gunboat to tour the Rio Grande.

Maybe this has something to do with it .

Drug, Human Smuggling, Cartel Shootouts with Police Escalate in Rio Grande Valley – Homeland Security Today (hstoday.us) (https://www.hstoday.us/kimery-report/drug-human-smuggling-cartel-shootouts-with-police-escalate-in-rio-grande-valley/)

South Texas High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (justice.gov) (https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs22/22796/22796p.pdf)

Color-coded passage: Why smugglers are tagging U.S.-bound migrants with wristbands | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-border/color-coded-passage-why-smugglers-are-tagging-u-s-bound-migrants-with-wristbands-idUSKBN2B12E6)

Drug cartels and criminal gangs and mobs have been around since the beginning of time and it's not like we don't have those same conditions in American neighborhoods. Things haven't changed much since your old articles from the last decade have they?


U.S. border agents carried out nearly 100,000 apprehensions or rapid expulsions of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border in February, according to two people familiar with preliminary figures, the highest monthly total since mid-2019.

Ol'Joe looks like he may well be like Obama with deportations.

not nearly enough . He first put out the welcome mat . Then he said come on over ....just not right away ..the optics are bad .

..the optics are bad .

Optics are in the eye of the beholder.

Optics in this case are supported by data.

What can we do to help them in their home countries so we're not beseiged by an influx of refugees who are looking for safety and a better life?

What can we do to help them in their home countries so we're not beseiged by an influx of refugees who are looking for safety and a better life?

The $64,000 question.

not nearly enough . He first put out the welcome mat . Then he said come on over ....just not right away ..the optics are bad .

Day 66. A works in progress and in the grand scheme of things to early to call...unless you're the opposition and want to score points.

Not like he had a peaceful and cooperative transition, or left with the best situations possible unlike the dufus.


Optics in this case are supported by data.

The data says every prez has surges of refugees before the summer heat. Show data.

From NBC news.

"There was a 28 percent surge in apprehensions at the southern border from January to February of this year, the most recent and complete data point from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) (https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters) available right now. The Trump administration saw a 31 percent surge in migrant apprehensions from January to February 2019.
But Biden specifically mentions children, and that’s where his facts are incorrect. There is a far bigger surge of unaccompanied minor children right now than there was two years ago. From January to February 2019, there was a 31 percent surge in children stopped by CBP. From January to February 2021, there has been a 61 percent surge in those stops.
What’s more, the February numbers do not address what’s happening right now in March. As of March 23, there were 4,962 children in CBP custody, well above the 30-day average of 3,243, according to an update from the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Homeland Security Wednesday.
In mid-March, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was brought in (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fema-ordered-help-influx-migrant-children-u-s-mexico-border-n1261048) to help handle the surge of migrants children. On March 18, FEMA awarded $110 million in supplemental funding (https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20210318/fema-awards-110-million-emergency-food-and-shelter-program-assist-migrants) to feed and shelter migrants."

Joe can handle it.

So he's doing a once a quarter press conference, maybe he will get two in before the fourth of July, this fellow does less real work than any of them

He makes it look easy but cleaning up the biggest mess in history and following the worst president of the century ain't that easy.

he looks like he is sleeping in and giving the messy work to his VP

Isn't that what VP are for and this one needs training

Talk about deranged...We learned this past weekend, never ask Trump to give a toast at your wedding reception....

Isn't that what VP are for and this one needs training

They all do Clete. Even the old white guys before this one.


Talk about deranged...We learned this past weekend, never ask Trump to give a toast at your wedding reception....

When you get married at Disneyland expect Mickey to show up.

Quid and cabinet .. all vaccinated ...still social distancing and wearing masks . Is there a Tony award for theatrics away from the Broadway stage ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyAXMFhXEAYrGS8?format=jpg&name=900x900

Quid and cabinet .. all vaccinated ...still social distancing and wearing masks . Is there a Tony award for theatrics away from the Broadway stage.It's all so absurd and so separated from reality. I received my second shot two days ago, but I'm still required to wear a mask.

It's all so absurd and so separated from reality. I received my second shot two days ago, but I'm still required to wear a mask.
You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.

You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.










It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19 | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/)

It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19 | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/)
Um, sorta maybe. The article was published on April 1 -- April Fool's Day.... From that article:

"Vaccinated people can still be infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and suffer the symptoms of COVID-19, though this happens at a much reduced rate and severity, and vaccination eliminates the risk of death.

But the most important part of the recent CDC findings is that vaccinated people are very unlikely to suffer asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

typical CDC nonsense . Make a statement one day ;walk it back the next . And no political agenda behind that ...... right Dr Fauci ? Oh yeah... trust the science !!

You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.You can't be a spreader if you don't have it. If a vaccinated person can have it, then the vaccine is not very effective. But even at that, the masks are only marginally effective, especially considering that they are frequently not worn properly.

You can't be a spreader if you don't have it.
If you are with someone who has covid, with symptoms or not yet, the virus can spread from that infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe heavily, and go onto your hair, lips, into your eyes. Then you visit your Aunt Louise, as yet unvaccinated, at her home. As you kiss her hello and chat with her, those particles can float onto her.

If you are with someone who has covid, with symptoms or not yet, the virus can spread from that infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe heavily, and go onto your hair, lips, into your eyes. Then you visit your Aunt Louise, as yet unvaccinated, at her home. As you kiss her hello and chat with her, those particles can float onto her.Again, you can't be a spreader if you don't have it, and if you've taken the vaccine, and if it's effective, then you don't have it.

Again, you can't be a spreader if you don't have it, and if you've taken the vaccine, and if it's effective, then you don't have it.
Yes, you can be a spreader. If you're with an unvaccinated person(s) for any length of time, especially if there's any touching, hugging, kissing, etc., please take a bath or shower when you get home and change your clothes before going out again.

the virus is airborne

COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning? (nature.com) (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4)

Listen carefully. IF YOU HAVE BEEN VACCINATED...

the virus is airborne

COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning? (nature.com) (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4)
Excellent, tomder! "Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."

When any person yawns, sneezes, coughs, speaks, snd even just breathes, saliva droplets spray into the air -- and into the noses and maybe open (talking, yawning) mouths of others. Thus, the mask wearing and social distancing should be done even by those who've been vaccinated -- because unmasked vaccinated people will then carry those droplets in their mouths and noses and spray/spread them to others.

Thus, the mask wearing and social distancing even by those who've been vaccinated -- because unmasked vaccinated people will then carry those droplets in their mouths and noses and spray/spread them to others.The article said nothing about that, thus your "thus" is really a stretch. I doubt there is any evidence whatsoever for that kind of secondary transmission occurring. Certainly it would seem to be wildly unlikely.

"Having close contact with someone who is infected is a much more common way to get infected, the agency said."

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200921/ccd-says-breathing-can-spread-covid-then-reverses

simple suggestion . The person who has NOT been vaccinated should wear the mask .

simple suggestion . The person who has NOT been vaccinated should wear the mask .Sensible idea.

Those that didn't mask before aren't likely to mask now, let alone any other of the virus precautions.

So why does my hematologist and his medical staff, who've gotten both shots, continue to wear masks and maintain social distancing from their patients? Why??? So they don't spread covid bacteria in droplets that unsymptomatic patients cough, sneeze, and breathe on them and that they then inhale and spread to unvaccinated patients.

The article said nothing about that, thus your "thus" is really a stretch.
I said "thus" because I had just quoted this from Tom's article:
"Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."

Those droplets are inhaled by people who have had both shots and, in turn, spew them at unvaccinated people.

So why does my hematologist and his medical staff, who've gotten both shots, continue to wear masks and maintain social distancing from their patients? Why??? So they don't spread covid bacteria in droplets that unsymptomatic patients cough, sneeze, and breathe on them and that they then inhale and spread to unvaccinated patients.

WG, your FACTS will never penetrate the thick skull of Jl. He's one of those people who are self-obsessed with his own "truth".

Remember, this is the guy who believes that Jesus God created billions and billions of human beings so that he could send them to his private torture chamber for all eternity. Their crime? They never heard of Jesus so they couldn't/didn't believe in what they never heard.

I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. It's a common belief among evangelicals.

I said "thus" because I had just quoted this from Tom's article:
"Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."
That was indeed in the article.

Those droplets are inhaled by people who have had both shots and, in turn, spew them at unvaccinated people.That is your wild guess conjecture. Thus your "thus" is completely ridiculous. I don't think there is anything out there to support that. If there is, bring it forward. So far you most definitely have not.


I wish I were making this up,Making things up is your specialty. You're the best I've ever seen at it, and your post above one of your best efforts.

I don't think there is anything out there to support that.
Here's one of many:
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccines-may-reduce-100051308.html

Making things up is your specialty. You're the best I've ever seen at it, and your post above one of your best efforts.
Wow! Such nastiness -- and at Easter no less!

Wow! Such nastiness -- and at Easter no less!Truthfulness is not nastiness. And remember that you have abrogated your position as the civility police. It takes a good example to do that.

As to your article, it says this. "Preliminary information from Israel found people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not develop COVID-19 symptoms or transmit the disease, according to a Pfizer statement released March 11. (https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/real-world-evidence-confirms-high-effectiveness-pfizer)" So is that the support you were referring to? Do you even read these links you post???

Do you even read these links you post???
Still cherry-picking, I see. Why do I bother???

If you'd read the entire article, you would have read this:

"And while transmission may be greatly reduced by vaccines, the chances of spreading the virus is not zero, said Michael Mina, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

People should continue to diligently wear their masks, regardless of vaccination status, until cases are low."

Still cherry-picking, I see. Why do I bother???Why do you bother to use an article that directly contradicts your premise??? Now that's a great question.

BTW, you need to learn the difference between "cherry-picking" and contradicting. They are not the same thing.


"And while transmission may be greatly reduced by vaccines, the chances of spreading the virus is not zero, said Michael Mina, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.That does not even come close to supporting your wild idea.

Why do you bother to use an article that directly contradicts your premise??? Now that's a great question.
Nope, you didn't read it. I added to my previous post.

The very first three paragraphs say:

"When COVID-19 vaccinations began, U.S. health officials encouraged vaccinated Americans to continue wearing masks in public because scientists were still unsure if they could carry the virus that causes the disease after being inoculated.

Recent results from real-world studies show the COVID-19 vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, suggesting they also drastically reduce virus transmission.

But health experts still recommend wearing masks in public, regardless of vaccination status, as more research is needed to confirm whether vaccinated people can spread the virus and as variants become more prevalent in the U.S. and states see cases spikes."

And I replied to your reply.

Not real sure what part of this your are struggling to understand. ""Preliminary information from Israel found people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not develop COVID-19 symptoms or transmit the disease,"


"When COVID-19 vaccinations began, U.S. health officials encouraged vaccinated Americans to continue wearing masks in public because scientists were still unsure if they could carry the virus that causes the disease after being inoculated.

Recent results from real-world studies show the COVID-19 vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, suggesting they also drastically reduce virus transmission.

But health experts still recommend wearing masks in public, regardless of vaccination status, as more research is needed to confirm whether vaccinated people can spread the virus and as variants become more prevalent in the U.S. and states see cases spikes."And nothing there supported your wild conjecture that vaccinated people would inhale droplets from infected people and then pass those on to healthy people. It is not there.

And I replied to your reply.
Yay for Israel. Now, what's going on in the U.S.???