Today Trump demanded of the Georgia Secretary of State that he “find” 11,500 ballots to overturn the election. In a rambling, sometimes incoherent, phone call to Republican Secretary of State Raffensperger, Trump was recorded in one of his most bizarre actions since he was elected.

Wildly citing conspiracy theories, threatening criminal consequences to the Secretary and his counsel, and falsely claiming he won Georgia by “hundreds of thousands of votes” Trump railed for over an hour before Raffensperger politely ended the call after calmly telling the president his data was wrong.

The entire call of over an hour was recorded by Raffensperger.

Accompanied on the call by Mark Meadows and several lawyers, Trump is clearly showing signs of serious mental instability.

Trump lost the presidential race in Georgia to President-elect Joe Biden by 11,779 votes. Trump pressured Georgia SOS Raffensperger and other officials to "find" enough votes in the state's presidential election to make him the winner. Trump says he needs 11,780 votes. Meanwhile, Sidney Powell claimed, “At least 450,000 ballots in the key states ... miraculously only have a mark for Joe Biden on them, and no other candidate."

Yep. It was almost as bizarre as an American Pres telling the entire country that the attack on Benghazi was due to an offensive video when he knew that it was actually an act of terror, and doing so just a few weeks prior to a close election.

Trump says he needs 11,780 votes.

Thank you for the correction/clarification.

Context. Relevant context.

Trump is unhinged and yet you follow him

Wasn't Georgia recounted and audited, twice...

Wasn't Georgia recounted and audited, twice...
Thrice....

Trump is unhinged and yet you follow himRecord low unemployment. Replaced terrible trade deal with the new and much better USMCA. Appointed pro-life, pro-Constitution SCOTUS judges. Moved American embassy to Jerusalem. Reduced American military obligations overseas. American economy improved noticeably prior to world-wide COVID problem. 400,000 new manufacturing jobs. United States became energy independent. Got out of the useless Paris Accords. No Benghazis. Opened up new areas for responsible energy development. NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Not too bad for an unhinged guy. But even at that, I don't "follow him". I vote for those who are pro-life and pro-America. When they are wrong, I will criticize them.

Havent seen you criticise Trump, what you are looking at are his lucid periods which are becoming infrequent now he has to move house and divorce, and investigation

Havent seen you criticise Trump,You must pay closer attention. I think Trump has bungled the whole issue of voting irregularities. If he has significant evidence, then he should make it public.

Evidence doesnt figure highly in trumps world, it is what ever he says it is, just flights of fancy

Speaking of unhinged, at least Trump never closed a prayer with,” amen and awoman”. That’s so absurd that it’s hard to characterize it.

I'll just leave this here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55529230

I'll just leave this here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55529230

After reading the BBC report on the facts and watching the Georgia State Department respond to Trump's phone call, it is blindingly clear Trump is bordering on madness.

His inner circle now consists of the unhinged - Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, and crazy Mike Flynn - nutcases all.

I don't want to leave out Trump's other attorney, the insane Lin Wood who called for the execution of VP Pence because Pence rejected the law suit attempting to cast him in the role of throwing out the electoral college tally.

He also demanded McConnell be arrested for acknowledging the election winner as Biden.

If ever we needed Divine Providence to watch over the USA, it is now.

I thought Trump was divine providence, now you have to contend with the other guy

The dufus has been fact checked for years throughout his presidency and his lack of truth hasn't stopped him or changed his thirst for exaggeration or deceit, or drama that's over the top nor has his defeat in November diminished his sychophants, supporters or enablers. Evidence means nothing and only lawful eviction/convictions gets him from the peoples house, or TV. Till then the antics continue and who can be surprised at that?

He can't descend any lower than he's always been and the lying cheating stealing bully has always been a bottom feeder. His latest antics only add to stuff he will be held in account for...hopefully!

meanwhile down in Georgia, Trump marches to the sea, like Canute before him

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-piles-pressure-on-vice-president-mike-pence-during-rally-in-georgia/news-story/06b8405e745ead47ea30f12d54d35706

Silly season is almost over Clete, at least for this cycle. The civil war continues. The Frankenstein monster is hard to kill because some of the villagers actually like him. Can they save him? I don't think so.

meanwhile down in Georgia, Trump marches to the sea, like Canute before him

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trump-piles-pressure-on-vice-president-mike-pence-during-rally-in-georgia/news-story/06b8405e745ead47ea30f12d54d35706

I think you meant Sherman. Canute was the guy in England holding back the tide and all that.

Good linked article.

I think you meant Sherman. Canute was the guy in England holding back the tide and all that.

Good linked article.

exactly but perhaps he will turn into Sherman and win those seats and burn down Biden's senate

Doesn't appear he will win those seats, or overturn the election results, or stop Biden and the dems from cleaning up the mess that the dufus continues to make.

Must be terrible to live in such a chaotic place

Must be terrible to live in such a chaotic placeIf by "chaotic place", you mean the world's leading economy by far, then I would not characterize it as "terrible" to live here.

No I was referring to rioting, burning buildings, shootings

How the events of yesterday in the nations capital could have been missed is well beyond me. Incited by the dufus and his circle without a doubt. Chaotic is an understatement!

Yes this is where wild rhetoric gets you, weak minds believe it

The looney right wing fringers have been around a long time and are embedded throughout the society. Never until the dufus have they been given a spotlight of legitimacy at this level though. Of course they feel embolden to respond finally in the open.

Those fringers will go back into their burrows and rat holes as soon as citizen Trump begins to face his civil and criminal charges.

Those fringers will go back into their burrows and rat holesI guess that's some more of that "unconditional love" at work.

There is no unconditional love for dangerous violent criminals with bad intent. Just consequences for their actions. Insurrection is a crime.

Insurrection is treason, but Trump is a loud mouth who didn't realise there was anyone out there who would take such action, he was rabble rousing and the rabble arose. the lessons of history are not often learned

he was rabble rousing and the rabble aroseIt's been going on for years with leftist dems, but when it even appears to be Trump supporters doing it, then all of a sudden it's a threat to democracy. Go figure.

Yes, there is no reason, the left permits any action for the cause, but the right must be suppressed, we still mistakenly believe the nazi were right wing extremists

It's been going on for years with leftist dems, but when it even appears to be Trump supporters doing it, then all of a sudden it's a threat to democracy. Go figure.

Seriously? Leftists dems don't storm the capital like an invading army, or plot to kidnap governors cheered on by a lying cheating fascist president.


Yes, there is no reason, the left permits any action for the cause, but the right must be suppressed, we still mistakenly believe the nazi were right wing extremists

Seriously Clete? Oh you must mean Aussie leftists and your conservatives are so morally pristine and sympathize with Nazi's?

Sound rather NUTSY BOZO to me.

Tal, go play devil's advocate some place else, I made a comment regarding History and misinterpretation of it. The guys who stormed the Congress were right wing extremists, your nutsy bozos, not mine, but your left isn't pristine either, just a little more subtle. It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing. Was Portland right wing?

Tal, go play devil's advocate some place else, I made a comment regarding History and misinterpretation of it. The guys who stormed the Congress were right wing extremists, your nutsy bozos, not mine, but your left isn't pristine either, just a little more subtle. It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing. Was Portland right wing?

What was Nutsy Bozo is your interpretation of history that was assigning ideology to the actions of a self serving dictator trying to conquer the world.

It was the left that bred nazism in Europe, don't think that because they were anti communist they were right wing.

Maybe you could elaborate on that? One of the more revisionist takes on history is that the Nazis were leftists. This bizarre idea reflects badly on every single position you have espoused here - causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.

causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.Says the pot to the kettle.

Maybe you could elaborate on that? One of the more revisionist takes on history is that the Nazis were leftists. This bizarre idea reflects badly on every single position you have espoused here - causes all to take whatever you say with a huge grain of salt.

Maybe you should read some history some time. The Nazi were socialists, a response to the poverty and disorder of Germany after WWII. They are a reflection of where the left will take you if you go down that path. I keep a bag of salt handy for your ravings

As I understand it, Germany was something of a quasi-socialist state. Many manufacturers such as Krupp, Messerschmitt, and Daimler were independently owned and operated. They competed for enormous weapons contracts which fairly quickly became the dominant area of the German economy. Much of this was funded by borrowed money, I might add.

Clete, just be aware that Athos loves to try and throw his supposed weight around and see if he can bully people. Didn't work with me, so he blocked me, for which I am eternally grateful. Just push back against him. I feel pretty sure he won't back you down.

world war two - How did Nazi Germany finance itself during WW2? - History Stack Exchange (https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/1851/how-did-nazi-germany-finance-itself-during-ww2)

"Borrowed" is a strange way to describe what Hitler did.

Maybe you should read some history some time. The Nazi were socialists, a response to the poverty and disorder of Germany after WWII. They are a reflection of where the left will take you if you go down that path.

Here's the truth, paraclete - based on historical facts.

Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists/supremacists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany.

Hitler himself defined what he meant by "socialist" in the following speech.

Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.

The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum


Another speech by Hitler - 1922. Note how he refers to the party of the LEFT.

There are only two possibilities in Germany;..... one day it will turn to [the Party of] those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction—to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power—that is the beginning of resistance.


We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth. If you decide to discuss using facts and rational thought I'll be glad to do that with you - I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone

We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth.

What humility.

What humility.

What intellectualism.

no this is humility
I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone

Good luck with that.

Darn it Athos! Stop with the facts! It get's in the way of the right wing revisionists history narrative! Hitler and the dufus are economic geniuses. They built great economies that saved their country from ruin. What's your problem with that?

My bad. Yeah, you're right - I got carried away. HEIL!

Now that's how you TOLD somebody Clete. Hope you took notes! 8O

No Tal that's not how you do it

Yes Clete that's how I do it. How do you do it...and why should I care?

Too subtle for me Tal

What you found a big stick or something?

I thought you were into free speech, guns, riots, civil action, me I'm just a spectator

Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!

Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!

You know when you are right, you are right

Boring ain't bad...just BORING!

Talk about an "abyss of unreality", Biden is proposing we borrow 6000 dollars for every single American in order to send 1400 dollars to some Americans. Wonderful.


"During an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Brian Deese insisted that items including $1,400 payments to all Americans."




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-economic-adviser-coronavirus-relief-plan

debt is great, ain't it, the future can pay for it, eh, those high earning grand children won't even feel it, but you can't let the economy starve and that over bloated military won't starve, ever

Talk about an "abyss of unreality", Biden is proposing we borrow 6000 dollars for every single American in order to send 1400 dollars to some Americans. Wonderful.


"During an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Brian Deese insisted that items including $1,400 payments to all Americans."




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-economic-adviser-coronavirus-relief-plan

Who wants to fact check this right wing looney homophobic fringer? Talk about the "abyss of unreality"!

debt is great, ain't it, the future can pay for it, eh, those high earning grand children won't even feel it, but you can't let the economy starve and that over bloated military won't starve, everA lot to consider there, and a lot I would agree with, but I might point out that your own country has run a deficit for the past twelve consecutive years, so you don't have much room for crowing.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

A lot to consider there, and a lot I would agree with, but I might point out that your own country has run a deficit for the past twelve consecutive years, so you don't have much room for crowing.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

Two points here; before the US inflicted GFC we were in surplus, before covid we had just reached the point of surplus again so your reading of the statistics is disengenuous, so I think we have much room for crowing over a nation who is addicted to pork and military expenditure. Before covid we hadn't had a recession in 28 years and have bounced back so again much crowing available

"Trump Descends Further Into The Abyss of His Unreality"

As do we all! Who is foolish enough to believe they will escape that same fate?
Keep the freak show alive!!!

This is as much your Unreality as it is his...go Figure.

As do we all!A comment worth pondering.

"Trump Descends Further Into The Abyss of His Unreality"

As do we all! Who is foolish enough to believe they will escape that same fate?
Keep the freak show alive!!!

This is as much your Unreality as it is his...go Figure.

Yes Trump is still there suggesting he should lead

let's examine his credentials

most votes of any republican presidential candidate
no other republican presidential candidate can better his popularity
didn't carry the house or the senate at the last election
led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop there

led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop thereShould have stopped one sooner. The last one is preposterous.

Yes Trump is still there suggesting he should lead

let's examine his credentials

most votes of any republican presidential candidate
no other republican presidential candidate can better his popularity
didn't carry the house or the senate at the last election
led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop there

I'll add his CPAC rant and raving to your list.

How did they get the golden idol of trump from Mexico over The Wall without damaging it?

the wall is incomplete they walked across

How did they get the golden idol of trump from Mexico over The Wall without damaging it?

Mexico paid for first class delivery. They could afford it after the money they saved on the wall.

Why should Mexico pay for a wall, they don't want to keep their citizens in

What? You mean the dufus lied?