For all of you who think Chief Justice John Roberts blew it by punting on election law cases before the election ... You are right .

Now unless there is a blow out election result today . All those cases are going to make it to SCOTUS anyway . But now the election will be on the line .

For a simple primer .... any election decision decided by the State legislature should've been declared constitutional . Any case where state courts intervened should've been reversed in favor of the existing state law.

Don't know if I can agree, as while state law and process can be challenged you better have some good grounds in which to do so. The court process starts in the states not at SCOTUS anyway.

Ex order changing the law the legislature passed is grounds enough .

Here is the Dem strategery in Wisconsin and Michigan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYFw4YgAaE&fbclid=IwAR1uUgf-QUwx5eQKHBrY38iQDgtP1R1LYVpyOct1H1dMpUXo-gAUylzQsV4

Worked pretty good I would say.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joe-biden-wins-wisconsin-ap-203527232.html

Might work in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and maybe North Carolina too. Between protesters and lawyers who really knows.

8O!

Maybe but even IF Quid wins and IF the Repubs retain the Senate ,all the lefty ambitions will hang on the thinnest of mandates . The left tried to deliver a knock out blow 2008-16 . They could not . The Repubs elected a counter-puncher who rolled back some of the left's gains. After this election neither side will be able to impose for at least 2 years .
Strategic parity will give way to the situation I prefer ..... gridlock .
And the bonus is that Quid would not be able to make the investigations into the 2016 coup attempt ;or his own pay to play schemes . The investigations will shift to the Senate ;and eventually to the Dems who want to topple Quid and install
Kommiela Harris .

One thing I have observed over the years is you cannot destroy conservatives! Beat 'em up badly, but they always comeback! All I want now is the virus CONTROLLED and we get healthy and prosperous. Had the dufus been half way competent in that we wouldn't be going through this drama now.

Conservatives putting profits over people has brought this about, and all the gridlock you love won't change the consequences of that. Not with the midterms looming large. LOL, Old Joe knows how to poke a sharp stick up turdface's arse if he wins, and Slick knows that.

100,000 new cases of covid and 1500 deaths a day will tend to get back in the news quickly once the votes get counted and the dust settles. With or without Pelosi.

Had the dufus been half way competent in that we wouldn't be going through this drama now. where is your evidence ? Europe's responses were generally far more draconian than ours and that has not prevented anything .Paris had a 400 mile traffic jam after they announced another draconian shut down this week . England is going into it's 2nd hard lockdown . Sweden did none of that and their cases mirrored the rest of Europe .

Like I said ;the virus gave Quid an issue to run on and he propagandized it very well. When asked what he would do differently he spouted polices that Trump already implemented .

where is your evidence ?

Are you serious? Have you watched any TV news in the last 7 months? Read a paper? Read the posts right here on this board?


When asked what he would do differently he spouted polices that Trump already implemented .

Biden wore masks in public and he held news conference with a handful of people all socially distancing.

Trump held rallies without masks and packed thousands of people together like sardines.

That's just one difference.

Trump's public gatherings made people sick and deaths have surely been caused by Trump's rallies. No one got sick or died because of Biden's rallies.

Trump's public gatherings made people sick and deaths have surely been caused by Trump's rallies.
Sick? Trump himself plus his wife and son Barron. Deaths? To wit, a well-known person, Herman Cain (among many others).

Biden wore masks in public and he held news conference with a handful of people all socially distancing. yeah that's it

Biden rallies ? He couldn't draw flies even when the emperor fronted for him.

Here is how C-19 helped Quid . It gave a bunch of Dem states the excuse to do last minute changes to voting rules where they could mass mail ballots to people who otherwise would not have made the effort to vote . Then Quid pounded a lie that claims that Trump did not do enough ;and Quid would've taken draconian dictatorial powers in an attempt to control infection rates .

Cv19 may have helped quid but nothing can help dump his limp wristed approach sunk him

Now POTUS is whining about all the unfair tactics against him, is whining like a toddler deprived of his teddy bear, and can hardly coherently read the paper in front of him. Unbelievable!

coming from people who cried for 4 years that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election ... Gimme a break !

coming from people who cried for 4 years that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election

Trump is attempting to steal this election too, like the previous one he stole. We're wise to him this time.

coming from people who cried for 4 years that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election ... Gimme a break !

I'm sure Old Joe didn't mean to make the dufus cry, but he did say he wanted to take him behind the barn for a good thrashing.

Trump is attempting to steal this election too, like the previous one he stole. We're wise to him this time.
Whos trying? There are 1.8 million more registered voters than there are eligible voters when reveiwing age statistics in 352 counties who does this benefit? The dead are voting? The whole election has been rorted because of lack of consistent rules and enforcement

Clete election fraud is rampant . Even the left won't deny it . What is happening now is the same game plan they used when Al Franken "defeated " Norn Coleman . It is why I keep posting that clip from Key Largo with Edward G Robinson explaining how to steal an election . Keep finding votes and count ,count ,count until you get your desired outcome . The Dems have been doing this since 1960 . They got away with it because Nixon thought it would sully the process to challenge the votes the Daley machine "found ' for Kennedy in Chi-town .

I hear ya Tom. All you and the dufus have to do is prove it. Make sure you have clean hands first.

I hear ya Tom. All you and the dufus have to do is prove it. Make sure you have clean hands first.and what happens if he does prove it? A rerun of the election? Unlikely

there will be a run off of the Georgia Senate races . Dems trying to steal that election too.

As to irregularities that have to be addressed . Well let's see .... 118 year old William Bradley voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984. Fact checkers are rushing to refute this,

As to irregularities that have to be addressed . Well let's see .... 118 year old William Bradley voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984. Fact checkers are rushing to refute this,

And refute it, they did! Easily researched, Tomder, but you prefer to stick with the false report. Google William Bradley vote. You're not helping your cause, tommie boy.

and what happens if he does prove it? A rerun of the election? Unlikely

Let's deal with the proving it part first Clete. I warn you against holding your breath, or canceling better plans.

oh come on tal allegation after allegation there must be some proof somewhere, you just can't have 100,000 votes all for the same person when the electorate is almost equally divided. You must be blind not to see it. I went to visit relatives on the day of the election and it still wasn't resolved when i got back and in the intervening time hundreds of thousands of "mail" ballots turned up. I will never believe this election wasn't rorted and nor will trump. now they have an opportunity to do it again in Georgia

oh come on tal allegation after allegation there must be some proof somewhere, you just can't have 100,000 votes all for the same person when the electorate is almost equally divided. You must be blind not to see it. I went to visit relatives on the day of the election and it still wasn't resolved when i got back and in the intervening time hundreds of thousands of "mail" ballots turned up. I will never believe this election wasn't rorted and nor will trump. now they have an opportunity to do it again in Georgia

On this issue Tal is dealing in facts. You are fantasizing based on nothing but your "feelings". Please spare us any future comments on how we do things in America. It's getting tiresome.

On this issue Tal is dealing in facts. You are fantasizing based on nothing but your "feelings". Please spare us any future comments on how we do things in America. It's getting tiresome.

What is getting tiresome is your idea that things are done great in america, you could learn from successful democracies since yours appears to operate with star chambers and rorted elections

You take a dim view of America Clete, like you're jealous or something. We know our flaws, as we build on our strengths, like everybody else.

You take a dim view of America Clete, like you're jealous or something. We know our flaws, as we build on our strengths, like everybody else.


No I'm not jealous, what I'm sick of is america catches cold and everyone else gets the flu and I'm speaking economically. Trump's america first has been a disaster for our industries and his foreign policy equally a disaster, he has drawn us into a trade war with China and you are not suffering as we are. from where I stand your strengths are rhetoric and bullshlt

No I'm not jealous, what I'm sick of is america catches cold and everyone else gets the flu and I'm speaking economically. Trump's america first has been a disaster for our industries and his foreign policy equally a disaster, he has drawn us into a trade war with China and you are not suffering as we are. from where I stand your strengths are rhetoric and bullshlt

Your argument is with Trump - not America and Americans.

He's gone now - or soon will be. Just pray he doesn't move to Australia.

Your argument is with Trump - not America and Americans.

He's gone now - or soon will be. Just pray he doesn't move to Australia.

He won't come here, we don't like blowhards and privileged persons. The problem predated Trump and no doubt will continue no matter who is in power. My problem is not with americans but the way your government operates. Trump wasn't the first to apply an america first policy it is endemic in your thinking. You are blind to the rest of the world, and I blame your education system for that

My problem is not with americans but the way your government operates. Trump wasn't the first to apply an america first policy it is endemic in your thinking. You are blind to the rest of the world, and I blame your education system for that

Does the blindness to the rest of the world include WW1, WW2, the Marshall Plan, the Cold War, the protection of Europe with NATO, a century of foreign aid, and more......

Does the blindness to the rest of the world include WW1, WW2, the Marshall Plan, the Cold War, the protection of Europe with NATO, a century of foreign aid, and more......

dragged kicking and screaming into both WWI and WWII the cold war and NATO were just paranoia protecting your own but and most of your foreign aid, when the money actually gets out of the country is in tied aid spent on american goods... you see you are brainwashed into thinking you are actually doing good when you are just furthering your own interests. The world might be better off if you didn't reconstruct Germany and Japan and built up your allies instead.

dragged kicking and screaming into both WWI and WWII

If that is true, then so were all the allies dragged "kicking and screaming" into the wars.


the cold war and NATO were just paranoia protecting your own

Ask the Europeans about that and why they don't speak Russian today. And is there something wrong with "protecting your own"?


but and most of your foreign aid, when the money actually gets out of the country is in tied aid spent on american goods...

The countries who improved their lot via our foreign aid did not complain about our goods being "tied in".


you see you are brainwashed into thinking you are actually doing good when you are just furthering your own interests.

I think it's pretty clear who is being brainwashed. The hundreds of thousands of American dead fighting in two world wars did not have their interests "furthered".


The world might be better off if you didn't reconstruct Germany and Japan and built up your allies instead.

We did both and made for a better world. No major wars since American world involvement.

Does the blindness to the rest of the world include WW1, WW2, the Marshall Plan, the Cold War, the protection of Europe with NATO, a century of foreign aid, and more......For once I completely agree with Athos. The term "Arsenal of Democracy" was not coined in reference to Australia.

It's really laughable for Clete to speak of our school systems as though, sitting thousands of miles away, he has any idea what he's talking about. A little humility, Clete. A little humility. You make some good points, but you sometimes overreach yourself.

Clete I understand you don't like the big dog in your neighborhood, and appreciate the rant venting those feelings, since you can't make us go away, and that can be frustrating until you grow bigger somehow, but think it through a bit more, as do you really think the world is better without us and would you rather have China or Russia walking around doing their thing in your neighborhood? Or surrounding you with there interests?

do you really think the world is better without us and would you rather have China or Russia walking around doing their thing in your neighborhood?Great question.

Good grief. What a day! It's not 10:00 a.m. and I have already agreed with BOTH Tal and Athos. The universe is coming apart at the seams. 8D

Or coming together. Depend on how you look at it. 8)

Clete I understand you don't like the big dog in your neighborhood, and appreciate the rant venting those feelings, since you can't make us go away, and that can be frustrating until you grow bigger somehow, but think it through a bit more, as do you really think the world is better without us and would you rather have China or Russia walking around doing their thing in your neighborhood? Or surrounding you with there interests?

China already surround us with their interests, because of our association with you and your foreign policies we are being sanctioned by China. Russia has never been a threat to us, except for some spy activity many years ago they hardly know we exist. You don't get it because you are paranoid. Both Russia and China are paranoid because they have been invaded many times. You are paranoid because the enemies you have made with your foreign policies attacked you. Your big dog barks long and loud at shadows and keeps us awake. We cannot grow much bigger, this is a dry continent and it will never support a large population.

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Clete....do you really think the world is better without us and would you rather have China or Russia walking around doing their thing in your neighborhood? Or surrounding you with there interests?



China already surround us with their interests, because of our association with you and your foreign policies we are being sanctioned by China. Russia has never been a threat to us, except for some spy activity many years ago they hardly know we exist. You don't get it because you are paranoid. Both Russia and China are paranoid because they have been invaded many times. You are paranoid because the enemies you have made with your foreign policies attacked you. Your big dog barks long and loud at shadows and keeps us awake. We cannot grow much bigger, this is a dry continent and it will never support a large population.

You didn't answer the question.

Without America around, do you think Russia and/or China would have made a better world?

You didn't answer the question.

Without America around, do you think Russia and/or China would have made a better world?

Without America, Russia may have succeeded, China would still be backward and medieval