This happened Sunday Night during 'peaceful protests '

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/after-vandals-target-oregon-historical-society-director-vows-our-mission-will-be-undeterred.html

You know who else destroyed history ? The Taliban destroyed Afghanistan history . ISIS destroyed history in Iraq and Syria. The Chinese Communists did it during 'The Cultural Revolution' .

Sarah Iannarone is leading in the Portland Mayoral race. She is a self proclaimed ANTIFA. She is beating current lefty appeasing mayor Ted Wheeler . What's his big issue ? Well since June the Portland police have been covering up their name tags because when these 'peaceful protesters ' get their names ,they dox their families . To dox is to search for and publish private or identifying information about someone on the Internet, typically with malicious intent. Wheeler would like to find a way to not permit this action by the police. Wheeler says officers' fear of doxxing is overstated and the public's right to know an officer's identity outweighs the officer's right to privacy. He is truly insane. And yet he is the better alternative to Iannarone . She like Quid lies and says Antifa is an idea and not an organized terrorist movement .

But read this article by a reformed Aussie ANTIFA organizer. He gives good insight into the terrorist group.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/i-established-a-terror-movement-in-australia-and-i-quit/news-story/0e09cb729235d4316809b02bf9e54559

Antifa members believe it is real .

Interesting news today about Gallup polling. "A majority of Americans (56%) find themselves better off under President Trump than they were four years ago, according to a new poll." I just wonder how that will affect this upcoming election. It's a very high figure. Obama, in 2012, was at 45%.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/majority-of-americans-better-off-under-trump-than-4-years-ago-poll/

As to Antifa, the outrage is that the dem party officials stood by and allowed it to happen. I fear somewhat that the next few months will have a high risk of serious danger.

You and the dufus are still determined to put BLM and Antifa together Tom and that's unfortunate while right wing armed militias are never even mentioned. I know the dufus told them to stand down, but since they didn't wouldn't it be more accurate and productive to condemn all the criminal loons both left and right instead of just the LEFT? The right has actively been training and arming and plotting and planning for a lot more than just vandalism, rioting and burning.

Like the pandemic, I don't blame racial strife or bad cops on the dufus, but I can sure as hell criticize his response to it and he makes things worse, not better on nearly every level.

Like the pandemic, I don't blame racial strife or bad cops on the dufus,That's good to hear.


I can sure as hell criticize his response to it and he makes things worse, not better on nearly every level.I don't think you can say he has made racial strife or the situation with bad cops any worse. The utter failure of democrat mayors and govs to respond responsibly has contributed a great deal to a worsening situation. As to the pandemic, the feds have done a lot of good there. Of course they are doing it, as usual, with money we don't have.

I don't think you can say he has made racial strife or the situation with bad cops any worse. The utter failure of democrat mayors and govs to respond responsibly has contributed a great deal to a worsening situation.

How have the dems contributed to a bad situation? Why in some dems cities and not others?


As to the pandemic, the feds have done a lot of good there. Of course they are doing it, as usual, with money we don't have.

Why? Illness injuries and death are emergency situations that few of us have money for.

Why in some dems cities and not others?Good question. Why did some dem mayors not respond to rioting and looting?


Illness injuries and death are emergency situations that few of us have money for.What? You think the feds are supposed to be responsible for taking care of people when they die, are injured, or become sick? Maybe for you, but I'm an independent man enough that I can take care of myself.

Good question. Why did some dem mayors not respond to rioting and looting?

They did but obviously you think it inadequate.


What? You think the feds are supposed to be responsible for taking care of people when they die, are injured, or become sick? Maybe for you, but I'm an independent man enough that I can take care of myself.

Good for you. Not everyone is a blessed as you with resources to be that kind of independent, nor as unsympathetic to the plight of others who don't have those resources. Yeah I think the feds are responsible for the well being of it's citizens. ALL of them. The healthy, and UNhealthy.

Is it not a tenet of the Christian faith to see the less fortunate with mercy and empathy? Why would you bely the country that embraces that tenet and acts according to it? Many claim this is a nation built on Christianity after all, so to ignore the least of us is a contradiction at best, utter hypocrisy at worst. I mean you do your Christian thing in your small enclave so why would that not be happening in the broader communities we call America?

you think it inadequate. Yeah, since they let it go on for WEEKS and WEEKS and WEEKS! Well DUH!

You find the place in Chrisitian doctrine that says the government is supposed to come in, take money from some people by force of law, and give it to other people, some of whom need it and some who don't, then we can talk about it. As a Christian, I am called to love my neighbor as myself. That's why I go to a drug rehab center and help out. That's why my wife and I are sending a substantial amount of money every month to Uganda to help feed hungry people. That's why we support Samaritan's Purse. It's why we support two children's feeding programs. It's why we support Mission Barnabas and Prison Fellowship.

You think you have some kind of moral authority because you vote for politicians who say they will force others to do what you think is worthwhile, and you then go sit in your living room and watch a ballgame. Sorry. Not impressed.

You find the place in Chrisitian doctrine that says the government is supposed to come in, take money from some people by force of law, and give it to other people, some of whom need it and some who don't, then we can talk about it.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." Matt. 22:21

No one is suggesting we stop paying taxes. This issue at hand is the supposed morality of those who brag of how they force others to support their charitable inclinations. Any scripture on that one?

There actually is one (that I know of) passage that supports government support of the poor. Anyone know it?

This issue at hand is the supposed morality of those who brag of how they force others to support their charitable inclinations.
I have lived longer than you and in several places very different from each other. Plus, I've stayed with relatives in even more places. I have NEVER read about or heard anyone bragging of how they force others to support their charitible inclinations. Guess I'd better plan a trip to Mississippi.

I go to a drug rehab center and help out. That's why my wife and I are sending a substantial amount of money every month to Uganda to help feed hungry people. That's why we support Samaritan's Purse. It's why we support two children's feeding programs. It's why we support Mission Barnabas and Prison Fellowship.


Proverbs 27:2 Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth, an outsider, and not your own lips.


Isaiah 64:6 When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags.


Luke 18:11-14 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people–robbers, evildoers, adulterers–or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.

But the tax collector stood at a distance (https://biblereasons.com/tax-collectors/) He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

NEVER read about or heard anyone bragging of how they force others to support their charitible inclinations.Really? Well here you go from about fifteen minutes ago HERE. "I thought it was worth saying, and raising taxes on those that have millions and billions AFTER taxes is the right thing to do."

Athos, just a little reminder.


You better believe I want to see it (your supposed proof that I had backed out of a question arrangement with you). What you are saying is flatly untrue. But you have your big chance now, if you can get yourself to take it.


"I'm backing out of nothing. If you are willing to obligate yourself, then I'm all in. Are you willing?"

You were also going to show me how I supposedly changed my position on hell. Where's that? Have you given up?

As to my comment above, I was not boasting. I was responding to this comment from Tal. "Many claim this is a nation built on Christianity after all, so to ignore the least of us is a contradiction at best, utter hypocrisy at worst." I am not ignoring the "least of us". Most Christians that I know actually make a personal commitment to the poor as opposed to being satisfied with forcing others to do so.

Really? Well here you go from about fifteen minutes ago HERE. "I thought it was worth saying, and raising taxes on those that have millions and billions AFTER taxes is the right thing to do."
That's NOT "bragging of how they force others to support their charitible inclinations."

Our governor, who has an estimated personal net worth of $3.4 billion, is urging residents to vote for a graduated state income tax so the wealthy will pay more in taxes.

JL you were outvoted obviously so try harder in the next election, or pray harder in this one, whichever you prefer. One wonders how a guy who professes so much faith can whine about everybody else. I never heard anybody but you brag about their moral superiority.

That's NOT "braggingI think it is.

As to your gov, has he already started giving more in taxes?

You haven't heard me brag about anything, nor have you heard me profess to have "much faith", and you certainly have not heard me brag about having any moral superiority. You're just projecting your TDS on me.

I think it is.
I suspect you've lost the train of thought.

As to your gov, has he already started giving more in taxes?
HE is the one pushing the graduated tax that would begin in January.

You haven't heard me brag about anything
Within the past half hour, I read on an AMHD thread your list of all the charities you support and help with. That's bragging.

Interesting news today about Gallup polling. "A majority of Americans (56%) find themselves better off under President Trump than they were four years ago, according to a new poll." I just wonder how that will affect this upcoming election. It's a very high figure. Obama, in 2012, was at 45%.

Even with the virus .... and Gallup usually does heavy weighting on registered Dems .
When a reporter asked Quid about the poll about 56% of Americans think they are better off ;his witty reply was “Well if they think that, they probably shouldn’t”

Athos, just a little reminder. You were also going to show me how I supposedly changed my position on hell. Where's that? Have you given up?

Be patient. All things in due time.


As to my comment above, I was not boasting.

Of course, you were.

Here's a little reminder:

For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Jesus said that. So you can answer to Jesus with your explanation.

Within the past half hour, I read on an AMHD thread your list of all the charities you support and help with. That's bragging.Nah. That was in reply to a silly allegation that I did not care for the down and outers.

But if it was, then what did you call your pronouncements of all the chartiable work you do that you told us about months ago. Helping people with free counseling and free assistance with their writing, or your telling us just a few days ago of how you have had some of your work published. Was that bragging as well? Are you now Ms. Pot and I'm Mr. Kettle?


Be patient. All things in due time.It's your call and there is no pressure one way or the other, but it should be noted that the waiting is on your part, not mine. I only await your affirmation.

But if it was, then what did you call your pronouncements of all the chartiable work you do that you told us about months ago. Helping people with free counseling and free assistance with their writing, or your telling us just a few days ago of how you have had some of your work published. Was that bragging as well?

So it's ok for you to brag as long as you say someone else did?


It's your call and there is no pressure one way or the other, but it should be noted that the waiting is on your part

So noted.


I only await your affirmation.

I already agreed. It is YOU that refuses to avoid the personal. That makes me think you WANT to get into the personal so you can try to critique whatevet it may be - especially religion-wise. Here's what I said.

If you stick to issues, any issues under the sun, and not personal details, I'm always prepared for your question. All the members here are free to provide any personal details they want, but are not required to give them at the request of another. Fair enough?


(PS - Trump at Town Hall tonight - 8pm est. Answering questions from non-Trump flunkies)

Avoid the personal? Done! So we are good to go? You are committed?

Just bear in mind that you are the one tossing around the axxhole comments, so don't act like you are Mr. Clean in that regard because you are far from it, and it makes this comment laughable. " It is YOU that refuses to avoid the personal." I haven't engaged in name calling, but I'm certainly willing to cooperate in that area.


So it's ok for you to brag as long as you say someone else did?No, it wouldn't be. Since I wasn't bragging, that doesn't apply anyway. But it does mean that if a person wants to take the "holier than thou" approach, they should be sure their own slate is clean.

Just bear in mind that you are the one tossing around the axxhole comments,

It's "a**hole", not "axxhole", a**hole.


so don't act like you are Mr. Clean in that regard because you are far from it,

I have never acted like Mr. Clean in that or any regard. Stop making up stuff.


and it makes this comment laughable. " It is YOU that refuses to avoid the personal." I haven't engaged in name calling, but I'm certainly willing to cooperate in that area.

Name calling is insulting, hardly personal information. I engage in it as a reaction to you. What IS laughable is your comment that you haven't engaged in name calling! Good Lord, you STARTED it! Your claim to now be willing to "cooperate in that area" has been made before. Within the hour of making that claim, you were back with your snarky comments.


Since I wasn't bragging, that doesn't apply anyway. But it does mean that if a person wants to take the "holier than thou" approach, they should be sure their own slate is clean.

Jesus said those words about exalting yourself. So you may direct your explanation to him.

I don't know what "commitment" you are suggesting, but if you avoid the personal, I'll entertain any question you have - as I've said previously.