Trump paid $750 federal income tax the year he ran for president. The year before, he also paid $750. Trump is already calling this fake news. All the details are in the Times article.

Trump the financial fraud for all the world to see.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-taxes-750-fake-news-times_n_5f7109d6c5b61af20e7762e7


pic.twitter.com/be15BS005Z (https://t.co/be15BS005Z)


Banner headline from New York Times. If you can't open it without a payment, the story is all over every media in the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/

All that proves is that Trump is a full time loser, he runs his businesses at a loss and pockets the money of those who finance him. You can expect some fancy accounting behind his tax returns

All that proves is that Trump is a full time loser, he runs his businesses at a loss and pockets the money of those who finance him. You can expect some fancy accounting behind his tax returns

Good summary - works for me.

All of this proved nothing. The story will likely turn out to be yet another in a string of fake news articles such as the recent one in the Atlantic. It's all designed to prop up the hapless campaign of the Harris/Biden ticket.

And right on cue, this is the "fair and balanced" CNN headline for the "story". "Tax bombshell reveals Trump's image is a sham." Nothing like seeing an article written by an unbiased source.
(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/stephen-collinson)


he runs his businesses at a lossWhat a crazy statement. Yeah. It's the key to financial success. "How to become rich by running your businesses at a loss!"

What crime do they say he committed? How is it that the Slimes figured this out but the Feds who have audited his businesses for years could not ? I am not a tax expert ,but I have heard that losses can be written off for many years . The Real Estate market did take a hit early in last decade .

Anyway Trump did not make tax law. But Quid did for 40 years . I do not fault anyone who legally uses the tax laws to pay less taxes . I take every credit ,and deduction I can. No one complains that Warren Buffett takes the minimum salary permitted .(then the hypocrite complains that he pays less taxes than his secretary ) . None of the Quid supporters are complaining that his income gets filtered through S Corps he created for the purpose of paying less taxes.



Don't you think that this is a fine example of why there should be a flat tax ?

Don't you think that this is a fine example of why there should be a flat tax ?Absolutely it is. Better yet, have a flat tax that is keyed to spending. If we spend more, we automatically tax more. Guess what would happen to spending if we did that?

Don't you think that this is a fine example of why there should be a flat tax ?

I expect you are saying there should be a flat tax on gross revenue, no deductions, so what should it be 5%, 10% some industries have very thin margins and rely on volume, some industries have big margins, Should individuals be subject to the same rate meaning the poor pay proportionally more. The reason it hasn't been done Tom is it is impracticable and favours the rich

so what should it be 5%, 10% some industries have very thin margins and rely on volume, some industries have big margins, Should individuals be subject to the same rate meaning the poor pay proportionally more. The reason it hasn't been done Tom is it is impracticable and favours the rich
That is for the elected officials to determine . Do I think individual and business taxes should be the same ? NO .Business income taxes should be much less or not taxed at all .
When government taxes businesses they pretend that the business pays the taxes .Business taxes are passed on to the customer ,or the shareholders ,or the employees of a company . It depresses wages ;impedes innovation ,and has companies looking to relocate (ex American companies operating in Ireland ) .jlisenbe is also right that a consumption tax is far better than an income tax

What crime do they say he committed?

Missed the point. It's about Trump's claims since day one about what a financial genius he is. Proof positive he's a financial dolt. Every business he touched, except for his TV show, failed, leaving others to pay the bill. His losses have been gigantic - over $1BILLION.


Anyway Trump did not make tax law.

Huh? He passed the infamous tax "cut" that failed to do what he claimed it would do. He lied through his teeth with that one.


Don't you think that this is a fine example of why there should be a flat tax ?

Shades of Steve Forbes who stood to gain hundreds of millions with his flat tax. Even the Wall Street Journal agreed the flat tax was a huge giveaway for the rich. True, Tom, you're not a tax expert.

Missed the point. It's about Trump's claims since day one about what a financial genius he is. and ? Evita brought up the same issue in 2016 debates . He did not deny the fact that his tax accountants use the tools they have . When she said he paid little or no taxes he replied "that makes me smart " .


Anyway Trump did not make tax law.


Huh? He passed the infamous tax "cut" that failed to do what he claimed it would do. He lied through his teeth with that one. The effect of the corporate tax cuts is not relevant to the issue of his income taxes .He has admitted repeatedly he uses the tax code to his advantage. Need I remind you that most of the years in question were during the emperor's tax laws .It was the emperor's IRS that cut Trump a huge check.



Don't you think that this is a fine example of why there should be a flat tax ?


Shades of Steve Forbes who stood to gain hundreds of millions with his flat tax. Even the Wall Street Journal agreed the flat tax was a huge giveaway for the rich. True, Tom, you're not a tax expert.


I have seen plenty of Op-Ed pieces at WSJ that argue both sides of that issue . I admit I am not a tax expert . I give my docs to a tax accountant to make sure my returns are legal ,and that I get every deduction ,credit I am entitled to get. Are YOU a tax expert ?

from a Facebook thread: "The bigger problem and most immediate problem is not his taxes it's the half a billion dollars in unsecured debt that makes him ripe to be compromised and make decisions based on self interest rather than the American people. This conman is a national security threat and should resign from office effective immediately."

What did we expect from a guy who used and abused charities, banks and vendors before he got in office? The conservatives/rightwingers/repubs got their judges and tax cuts, and the dufus got paid. The revelation of the dufus finances are no surprise, nor that they be scrutinized for fraud should be no surprise.

Are YOU a tax expert ?

I did several hundred individual tax returns in the early '90s and I had an excellent grasp of the tax code then, but I don't consider myself an "expert". I never practiced in tax court. The experts are tax lawyers, enrolled agents, and CPAs who do taxes as their main business.

from a Facebook thread: "The bigger problem and most immediate problem is not his taxes it's the half a billion dollars in unsecured debt that makes him ripe to be compromised and make decisions based on self interest rather than the American people. This conman is a national security threat and should resign from office effective immediately."It's a Facebook thread, so it just has to be true? Is that how it goes now?


Are YOU (Athos) a tax expert ?Let's go way out on a limb here.

It's a Facebook thread, so it just has to be true? Is that how it goes now?

Oops, I forgot. Only what YOU say is truthful and reliable....

Oops, I forgot. Only what YOU say is truthful and reliable....Be careful! Tal will get on to you for being mean-spirited if you keep that up. In the meantime, we will look with justifiable skepticism at so-called "facts" coming from Facebook.

Be careful! Tal will get on to you for being mean-spirited if you keep that up. In the meantime, we will look with justifiable skepticism at so-called "facts" coming from Facebook.

Fire the bum! Facebook is late on this one.

Be careful! Tal will get on to you for being mean-spirited if you keep that up.
I learned how at the feet of a master.

First it was the Atlantic, and now it's Facebook.


I learned how at the feet of a master.The never ending, wearisome, incessant plea of left wingers. "I bear no responsibility since my problems are someone else's fault! Don't blame me."

First it was the Atlantic, and now it's Facebook.
At least we haven't descended into constant tweeting like the dufus does.


The never ending, wearisome, incessant plea of left wingers. "I bear no responsibility since my problems are someone else's fault! Don't blame me."
Oooooh, blame-shifting. My new thread on the Religious Discussions board! Stay tuned! (You must be psychotic and read my mind!)

Constant tweeting? Is that kind of like communication coming directly from the source? In what way would that be beneath the gossip board known as Facebook?

Constant tweeting?
By the head of our country? Doesn't he have more important things to do?

I would say that staying in touch with America is really, really important. Come on. The truth is that if this was Obama, you would be fine with it. It's not the tweeting. That's completely neutral. It's what he says that sometimes gives me indigestion. It's the content of some of the tweets, and not the tweeting itself. You and others on this board are just dead set on being critical of Trump in whatever way you can, so today it's that he uses a twitter account.

I would say that staying in touch with America is really, really important. Come on. The truth is that if this was Obama, you would be fine with it. It's not the tweeting. That's completely neutral. It's what he says that sometimes gives me indigestion. It's the content of some of the tweets, and not the tweeting itself. You and others on this board are just dead set on being critical of Trump in whatever way you can, so today it's that he uses a twitter account.

Untrue. If Obama constantly lied and cheated and pandered to exclusively left wing loonies, I would blast his a$$ too!

You must pay attention. Her criticism was not of WHAT he tweeted, but simply of the fact that he was tweeting.

But besides that, you just glided right along when Obama lied about Benghazi and when he lied about Obama Care, and to say that he did not pander to the loony left is just nonsense. So what do you say after being caught in a blatant untruth. BOOM!!

You are either mistaken or misinformed or both...as usual.

when [Obama] lied about Obama Care
My developmentally differently-abled son had a terrific healthcare policy under the ACA. Once Trump messed with the ACA, my son is now paying three times as much for his monthly premium and has a much higher deductible.

The experts are tax lawyers, enrolled agents, and CPAs who do taxes as their main business. and how many of them the size of a corporation the size of Trump's hire ? I know his business interests hire about 22,000 people . Not bad for a failed "conman " business man.


meantime, we will look with justifiable skepticism at so-called "facts" coming from Facebook. that and the Slimes which writes a major expose and offers not a shred of evidence.

First it was the Atlantic, and now it's Facebook.
The Atlantic is on a roll . One hit piece after another
"the election that could break America " .https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The Atlantic is on a roll . One hit piece after another
"the election that could break America " .https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

Scary but excellent article, Tomder. Thanks for posting it. Every American should read it. We should never underestimate the penchant for evil that Trump possesses.

The Atlantic has already given us the terrific article by Jeffery Goldberg describing how Trump REALLY thinks about the men and women defending our nation. "Suckers" and "losers", Trump called them. Trump's own FOX network confirmed the facts presented in the article. You can't do better than that!

You are either mistaken or misinformed or both...as usual.If you can find one other person who really believes that, then that would be two people on the earth who do.


The Atlantic has already given us the terrific article by Jeffery Goldberg describing how Trump REALLY thinks about the men and women defending our nation. "Suckers" and "losers", Trump called them.A "terrific article" that has been completely shown to be untrue. Nice try, but no prize for that one.

The closer we get to the election, the more we will see of these undocumented, fake stories as the left wing media, which is to say nearly all of the media, gets more and more desperate to see the Harris/Biden ticket elected.

I know his business interests hire about 22,000 people . Not bad for a failed "conman " business man.

You have "failed conman" right, but not "business" man.

Successful businessmen are generally rated on how profitable their companies are. An organization that loses over $1 billion is not the definition of success. Especially when the losses are directly attributable to incompetent management.

To repeat, Trump has failed in EVERY business enterprise he started. His money came from his father, both as inheritance and a bail-out loan. His TV show used his freakish personality to get ratings. Others produced the show.

I hope you noticed how weakly Trump's spokesman replied to the Times article. Practically a proof of its accuracy.

An organization that loses over $1 billion is not the definition of success.I seriously doubt that you or anyone else outside of a relatively few people have any idea how much Trump's businesses lost or made, unless you are referring to the period from 85 to 94, and that's a long time to go back. For the present, it's pure conjecture.

Slimes identified no law he broke. However what they did was illegal

26 U.S. Code § 7213 (3) makes it illegal to disclose unauthorized information, including tax returns

It shall be unlawful for any person to whom any return or return information (as defined in section 6103(b) is disclosed in a manner unauthorized by this title thereafter willfully to print or publish in any manner not provided by law any such return or return information.  Any violation of this paragraph shall be a felony punishable by a fine in any amount not exceeding $5,000, or imprisonment of not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.

Slimes identified no law he broke. However what they did was illegal

26 U.S. Code § 7213 (3) makes it illegal to disclose unauthorized information, including tax returns

"Some will raise questions about publishing the president’s personal tax information. But the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that the First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here."

NYTimes

. For the present, it's pure conjecture.

another defense of the indefensible

another defense of the indefensibleIt's indefensible to say that Trump's present business losses or gains is not public knowledge? Huh? I think you need a second cup of coffee.

So where does he get his financing from? There is a lot we don't know about his finances and who he owes money to, and he is being investigated for possible tax fraud and money laundering. Then there is this

https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/09/23/judge-orders-eric-trump-to-comply-with-ny-subpoena-before-election/#4d81700330aa

So where does he get his financing from? There is a lot we don't know about his finances and who he owes money to,Now you're catching on. There is a lot we don't know about his finances just like there is a lot we don't know about your finances. That is how it should be. It's none of our business.


and he is being investigated for possible tax fraud and money laundering.By who? Do you mean this silliness? "New York prosecutors suggested President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) and his businesses could be investigated for tax fraud and insurance fraud, according to a court filing submitted Monday." So it is "suggested" that he "could be" investigated? Oh yeah. Nothing like a really definite statement where a "could be" is "suggested". It's just more election year nonsense by a left wing press desperate for a win.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/517464-ny-prosecutors-suggest-trump-could-face-tax-fraud-probe

The finances of the president is our business. Maybe you wingers don't care where he gets his money, or what he did to get it, but you should just in case he is a crook or in hock to Vlad or the Arabs, or even the Philippine's, or some other dictator or nefarious institution that needs to launder big bucks.

I would think that would be something we should know for sure about the president.

The finances of the president is our business.Oh? Then how about the VP, or the Speaker of the House, or every senator and SCOTUS justice? Where does it stop? Governors? Mayors? Dog catchers? YOU???
Maybe you wingers don't care where he gets his money, or what he did to get it, but you should just in case he is a crook or in hock to Vlad or the Arabs, or even the Philippine's, or some other dictator or nefarious institution that needs to launder big bucks.Maybe we should know yours "just in case" you are a crook? There are those who believe in big government knowing everything, and then there are those who believe in limited government which allows a person's personal business to remain his personal business.

hmmmmm


the New York Times paid zero federal income tax in 2017 on earnings of $111 million 2018
https://newsroom.fedex.com/newsroom/statement-from-frederick-w-smith-chairman-and-ceo-of-fedex-corporation/


First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here."



What is in bold is what is relevant . There is no way the records were legally obtained .

There is no way the records were legally obtained .That is the big question.

unless Trump gave them to the Slimes or he approved their disclosure then they were illegally obtained. I'm sure the Slimes will say 'whistle blower'

Oh? Then how about the VP, or the Speaker of the House, or every senator and SCOTUS justice? Where does it stop? Governors? Mayors? Dog catchers? YOU???Maybe we should know yours "just in case" you are a crook? There are those who believe in big government knowing everything, and then there are those who believe in limited government which allows a person's personal business to remain his personal business.

Makes logical sense to know if any elected official is a crook, and even Nixon agreed with that. Him and his VP were crooks. The first red flag should have been not disclosing finances and maybe LYING about it? Every elected official volunteers that information so I can only conclude you don't care to know the truth about your presidents finances, so whatever he says you just accept. Even King Reagan said trust but verify.

You want to keep your business finances a secret, then don't run for elected office. You want to do the PEOPLES business then tell them about it and back it up with documents. One thing we know as FACT is the dufus makes the government reserve rooms at his resorts just in case he decides to visit. That's a pretty convenient revenue stream for his golf resorts.


unless Trump gave them to the Slimes or he approved their disclosure then they were illegally obtained. I'm sure the Slimes will say 'whistle blower'

That would make it legal, or a National Security issue.

maybe LYING about it?Do you know anything for certain? Well, we do know two things for certain. Obama lied about Benghazi, and was not truthful about Obamacare. Predictably, that does not bother you.


Every elected official volunteers that information so I can only conclude you don't care to know the truth about your presidents finances, so whatever he says you just accept. Even King Reagan said trust but verify.No they don't. SOME of them give out tax info, but very few make their business dealings public. And why should they? Can you give the law that mandates this, or is it just what you would prefer?

That would make it legal, or a National Security issue.

the law is clear

26 U.S. Code § 7213 (3) makes it illegal to disclose unauthorized information, including tax returns

It shall be unlawful for any person to whom any return or return information (as defined in section 6103(b) is disclosedi in a manner unauthorized by this title thereafter willfully to print or publish in any manner not provided by law any such return or return information.  Any violation of this paragraph shall be a felony punishable by a fine in any amount not exceeding $5,000, or imprisonment of not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution


There is no protection for the Slimes if they publish protected documents that are illegally obtained .

Here's a thought. If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they? No.

Amazon, Netflix, and Chevron paid NO taxes in 2018.

Do you know anything for certain? Well, we do know two things for certain. Obama lied about Benghazi, and was not truthful about Obamacare. Predictably, that does not bother you.

Of course you are deluded or mistaken of facts. I go with deluded because despite being presented with fact you still hang on to your own made up truth.


No they don't. SOME of them give out tax info, but very few make their business dealings public. And why should they? Can you give the law that mandates this, or is it just what you would prefer?

I can get with a law that makes such info mandatory to disclose.


Here's a thought. If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they? No.

Amazon, Netflix, and Chevron paid NO taxes in 2018.

I've long said that corporation paid no taxes, and been against it, as well as closing loopholes. The dems probably have or had many bills along those lines but repubs will NEVER allow that.

Of course you are deluded or mistaken of facts. I go with deluded because despite being presented with factFine. Give me a fact. I'd love to see one. And just to be clear, a fact is that which can be proven to be true. Not innuendo. Not conjecture. Facts.



The dems probably have or had many bills along those lines but repubs will NEVER allow that.Sure they did. List them. That's another one of your "facts" I'd love to see. And just as a reminder, the dems are in charge of the House.

Dems have had the house since Jan. 03, 2019, a bit more than a year and half, repubs have been in control for how long, and what did they do again? Let's deal with your fact(?).

What is in bold is what is relevant . There is no way the records were legally obtained .

Here is what is in BOLD:


First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here."


Note how Tomder has conveniently, and misleadingly, left out the key words BY REPORTERS.

Dems have had the house since Jan. 03, 2019, a bit more than a year and half, repubs have been in control for how long, and what did they do again? Let's deal with your fact(?).The repubs DID change the tax code when they had the House. The dems did NOT change the tax code when they had the House. There are your facts. Be honest.

Now you might not like what the repubs did, but it is absolutely true that they did change the code when they had the opportunity and your guys did not. I guess they were too busy with their impeachment rabbit chase.

As a matter of the any changes to the law require a bill passed by both House and Senate, and signed by the president. So your statement the house changed the tax code is woefully inaccurate and NOT based in fact.

As a matter of the any changes to the law require a bill passed by both House and Senate, and signed by the president. So your statement the house changed the tax code is woefully inaccurate and NOT based in fact.

Since your memory is plainly faulty, here is the original statement. " If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they?"

It was not said that they changed the tax code. They never even PROPOSED a change. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. You get it now???

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

400 bills while they were impeaching the dufus. Repubs should be so productive.

Those post offices needed to be named .

Those post offices needed to be named .



House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to power in January, ranging from a sweeping anti-corruption and pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality, pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States into the Paris climate accords.


Health care



House Resolution 259 — Medicaid Extenders Act of 2019
H.R. 271 — Condemning the Trump Administration’s Legal Campaign to Take Away Americans’ Health Care (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18292175/house-democrats-trump-resolution-obamacare)
H.R. 986 — Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019 (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/13/18618097/drug-prices-obamacare-congress-voxcare)
H.R. 987 — Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/13/18618097/drug-prices-obamacare-congress-voxcare)
H.R. 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
H.R. 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)

Civil rights



H.R. 1 — For the People Act of 2019 (https://www.vox.com/2019/3/8/18253609/hr-1-pelosi-house-democrats-anti-corruption-mcconnell)
H.R. 5 — Equality Act (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/17/18627771/equality-act-house-congress-lgbtq-rights-discrimination)
H.R. 6 — American Dream and Promise Act
H.R. 7 — Paycheck Fairness Act (https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18282775/paycheck-fairness-act-gender-pay-gap-pelosi)
H.R. 124 — Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals

Gun control



H.R. 8 — Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019 (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/27/18224727/house-universal-background-checks-gun-violence-congress)
H.R. 1112 — Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

Environment



H.R. 9 — Climate Action Now Act (https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283831/pelosi-climate-change-green-new-deal)
H.R. 1331 — Local Water Protection Act
S. 47 — National Resources Management Act
H.R. 2578 — National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019
H.R. 205, 1146, 1941 — Banning Offshore Drilling on Atlantic, Pacific, Eastern Gulf and ANWR Coasts

Military/foreign affairs



H.R. 840 — Veterans’ Access to Child Care Act
H.J. Res. 37 — Directing the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress
S.J. Res. 7 — To direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/4/18293954/war-powers-resolution-passes-congress-yemen-bds) that have not been authorized by Congress
H.R. 31 — Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act of 2019
H.J. Res. 30 — Disapproving the President’s proposal to take an action relating to the application of certain sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation
H.R. 4695 — Protect Against Conflict by Turkey Act
H.R. 676 — NATO Support Act
H.R. 549 — Venezuela TPS Act

Mueller report



H. Con. Res. 24 — Expressing the sense of Congress that the report of Special Counsel Mueller should be made available to the public and to (https://www.vox.com/2019/3/14/18264147/house-robert-mueller-report-public-special-counsel) Congress

Other major legislation



H.R. 1585 — Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/4/18294057/violence-against-women-act-house-democrats-national-rifle-association) of 2019
H.R. 987 — Raise the Wage Act
H.R. 1500 — Consumers First Act (https://financialservices.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=401639)
H.R. 1994 — SECURE Act (https://wtop.com/consumer-news/2019/05/ap-explains-how-retirement-legislation-impacts-consumers/)/Gold Star Family Tax Relief Act
H.R. 2722 — Securing America’s Federal Elections (SAFE) Act
H.R. 4617 — Stopping Harmful Interference in Elections for a Lasting Democracy (SHIELD) Act
H.R. 1644 — Save the Internet Act of 2019 (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18302186/net-neutrality-house-bill-senate)
H.R. 2157 — Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2019
H.R. 397 — Rehabilitation for Multiemployer Pensions Act (The Butch Lewis Act)
H.R. 2513 — The Corporate Transparency Act
H.R. 269 — Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019
H.R. 251 — Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Program Extension Act
S.24 — Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
H.R. 430 — TANF Extension Act of 2019
Concurring in the Senate Amendments to HR 251 — Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standard Program Extension Act
H.R. 790 — Federal Civilian Workforce Pay Raise Fairness Act of 2019
HJ Res. 46 — Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019
H Res. 183 — Condemning anti-Semitism as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contradictory to the values and aspirations that define the people of the United States and condemning anti-Muslim discrimination and bigotry against minorities as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contrary to the values and aspirations of the United States, as amended
H Res. 194 — Rule Providing for Consideration of H.R. 1644 and H.R. 2021
H.R. 2480 — Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act
H.R. 375 — To amend the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 to reaffirm the authority of the Secretary of the Interior to take land into trust for Indian Tribes (also known as the “Carcieri Fix”)

And once again.


Since your memory is plainly faulty, here is the original statement. " If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they?"

It was not said that they changed the tax code. They never even PROPOSED a change. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. You get it now???

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Uhm...you do realize that ACB is a woman???

What's your point?

The silly cartoon about the glass ceiling. There is no indication ACB will do anything to hinder women getting promotions. Ridiculous idea. Now she might do something to help preserve the lives of the 450,000 females killed in abortions every year.

Yeah, those democrats sure know how to handle the COVID crisis. "New York City's daily positivity rate tops 3% amid 'alarming increase' in COVID-19 cases." We sure need to elect a dem for pres so he can continue that sterling record. After all, is there any place more locked down that NYC?


https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_heads_hero_live_headline s_hed)

The silly cartoon about the glass ceiling. There is no indication ACB will do anything to hinder women getting promotions. Ridiculous idea. Now she might do something to help preserve the lives of the 450,000 females killed in abortions every year.

Talk about silly. It ain't about just promotions, its RIGHTS in general and not just for women, and the right wing tearing down the legacy of a great jurist. That's the fear on the left still in mourning over a great loss and caught in the hypocrisy of conservative politics. The stealing of an Obama pick without the decency of hearings or a vote with the excuse of a coming election was outrageous but not nearly as the push to confirm this nominee before the election.


Yeah, those democrats sure know how to handle the COVID crisis. "New York City's daily positivity rate tops 3% amid 'alarming increase' in COVID-19 cases." We sure need to elect a dem for pres so he can continue that sterling record. After all, is there any place more locked down that NYC?


https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_heads_hero_live_headline s_hed)

Masks, hygiene, distancing, and lockdowns are all we have for now to combat this virus.

The glass ceiling is largely about promotions. Thus it comes out as, "There is a glass ceiling that prevents women from moving up in a business." The general discussion of rights is a separate area.


Masks, hygiene, distancing, and lockdowns are all we have for now to combat this virus.Yeah. Working real well, isn't it? The point, of course, is that Biden's eagerness to have a national lockdown would seem to be foolish in light of the Big Apple's experience.

The glass ceiling is largely about promotions. Thus it comes out as, "There is a glass ceiling that prevents women from moving up in a business." The general discussion of rights is a separate area.

I completely understand the need to breakdown large complex issues into smaller discussions and am aware it took decades of tough hard work to be the respected ICON RBG is. Basically I was reacting to your over simplification of the perceived differences between RBG and ACB, with my own. At this point there really is no comparison nor should there be.


Yeah. Working real well, isn't it? The point, of course, is that Biden's eagerness to have a national lockdown would seem to be foolish lot of in light of the Big Apple's experience.

Well you obviously must contain the virus, ergo shutdown and severely limit human contact and interactions in the affected area. As the level of spread diminishes to manageable levels you open up and deal accordingly. Don't worry, it seems that everybody will get that message sooner or later, and hopefully make proper adjustments. I don't remember Biden saying a national lockdown is appropriate, but he did say it could be very necessary where infection levels and deaths are unmanageably high.

You see what's happening across the country, and a thousand deaths and 40/50 thousand new cases average a day is not good by any means. I'm sure you can agree with that.

Basically I was reacting to your over simplification of the perceived differences between RBG and ACB, with my own. At this point there really is no comparison nor should there be.Right.


Well you obviously must contain the virus, ergo shutdown and severely limit human contact and interactions in the affected area.That was kind of the point. Who is more committed to that than NYC, and yet they are a basket case.

the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

That was kind of the point. Who is more committed to that than NYC, and yet they are a basket case.

Maybe so but not a lot of options at the moment.


the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

Family and generational living conditions I bet. Isolation/quarantine is still the only option.

the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies Tom

I think you misread Tom's post Clete. NY is a huge metropolis made up of many cultures and people. Congested to the max and highly susceptible to this virus. It doesn't take much or long to have a spike with or without a spreader event, and any religious gathering is a spreader event despite all the cautions in the world.

The first NFL game was cancelled, hopefully to be made up later, but the lesson the sports teams are illustrating is isolate and quarantine infected people immediately and with schools trying to open in class, they cannot afford not to keep that option open as a frontline tool to combat this virus. 11 states have spikes in new cases and the pressure to return to normal without a testing/isolation plan is insane.

so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies TomGreat detective work there, Clete, finding out that, yeah, ole Tom is indeed a Nazi. Now you can do your work on finding out his SS connections and the story of his escape from Allied arrest after WW2.

What little credibility Clete had on this site is now completely up in smoke.

so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies Tom you are a moron . There is perhaps no one more supportive of Jews on this board than me . What I gave you is the facts PERIOD !
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orthodox-jewish-communities.html

What little credibility Clete had on this site is now completely up in smoke.

So I've joined you in the ranks


you are a moron . There is perhaps no one more supportive of Jews on this board than me . What I gave you is the facts PERIOD !
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/nyregion/coronavirus-orthodox-jewish-communities.html

Tom you could have identified religious meetings without being specific to as you stressed orthadox hassidic jews

why ? It is that specific group that is the problem . il duce ;due to the political correctness you suddenly advocate ,tried to identify the problem by giving the area codes where the spikes occur . Well I live in one of those neighborhoods ;and I can tell you without any doubt ,that the reason we spiked is because the Hassidic community openly defies covid regulations about masks AND especially social distancing . You see the Guv and his minions are quick to come down on Christians who gather to worship . But I have seen a number of times when they overlook this problem .
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https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/local/2020/09/15/hundreds-crowded-into-kiryas-joels-main-synagogue-prayers-sunday-no-masks/5797289002/

Tom you could have identified religious meetings without being specific to as you stressed orthadox hassidic jewsWhat a weak, weak defense. Even if it was true, to suggest that Tom is a Nazi was just completely stupid. You would have been much better served to have simply apologized and moved on. I disagree with many on this site including you, but that does not make them a Nazi, racist, or fascist. Disagreement without name calling can actually be done. And before you want to make the equally dumb statement that I have called names, just be aware that I will ask you for specifics.

You're more a nasty insinuating provocateur than a name caller JL, and a smart aleck snob to boot as well as borderline abusive. Me I'm a name caller. No evidence or examples needed for me or you!

You're more a nasty insinuating provocateur than a name caller JL, and a smart aleck snob to boot as well as borderline abusive. Me I'm a name caller. No evidence or examples needed for me or you!You mean I'm honest and open, so I say things you don't agree with and have no answers for. You respond by engaging in name calling as you did above, and continue to make accusations for which you have no evidence. And you even provided a great example of what you do!!

I don't need evidence to disagree with you, nor you with me, so let's just drop the pretenses and have at it without the false cover of evidence. It's a brawl not a court room, head butting not a contest with winners and losers. Just express yourself teach/preach and I don't doubt your honesty never will, but your eyesight is definitely in need of CORRECTION.

Your answers are lousy too! 8D

I don't need evidenceYour motto.

It's not a brawl to me. It's more like a search for the truth, so that's why I like evidence. I never expect anyone to just take my word for something. If all they have is my opinion, then they don't have much. But I do enjoy our exchanges. One thing I have long appreciated about you is your willingness to just say what you believe and actually answer questions.

Your motto.

It's not a brawl to me. It's more like a search for the truth, so that's why I like evidence. I never expect anyone to just take my word for something. If all they have is my opinion, then they don't have much. But I do enjoy our exchanges. One thing I have long appreciated about you is your willingness to just say what you believe and actually answer questions.
I can see why you have to search for truth, you follow a leader who like Pilate doesn't know the truth when it is standing in front of him

And you followed one who was a deceitful, clever liar, so welcome to the club!

And you followed one who was a deceitful, clever liar, so welcome to the club!

of whom do you speak? I never followed Juliar, or Krudd

Whoops. I thought the post was from Tal. My apologies.

My so called clever liar is gone so what's your excuse to defending YOUR clever liar? More will be revealed about this dufus soon enough.

My so called clever liar is goneI haven't defended his lying. I have pointed out your blatant hypocrisy. Even when it clearly established that Obama lied, you still can't bring yourself to admit it. It is "so called" lying in your world. Like I have said, you and Trump have a lot in common.

Nice to know you would hold your nose and vote for me! 8D In case you missed it we have a new Current Events topic. (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/potus-tests-positive-covid19-847731.html)

If I was you, I'd sure want to change. You aren't doing well at all with this one.

So say you but your orneriness gets tiresome in this fast changing world. You may like going in circles repeatedly but me not so much.

In short you're talking loud and saying nothing so give it a rest, and move to something fresh, while we await new developments. Can't blame you for not wanting to contribute to the new topic.

In short you're talking loud and saying nothingYou are looking in the mirror. It's an easy mistake to make.

Just recognizing I've run out of things to say on this subject. Don't worry I have a feeling there is more to come.

Just recognizing I've run out of things to say on this subject.You got that right.

Jl, the ogglecoffal bird, flys in ever diminishing circles, until he eventually disappears up his own fundamental oriface, from which lofty eminence he regards all below him with distain

I wish you well in your flight.

as I said distain

Said it and modeled it. Congratulations.

If I was you, I'd sure want to change. You aren't doing well at all with this one.

If your afraid to weigh in on your hero getting infected with Covid I understand your trepidation. Me I bounce back and forth among ALL the threads. Doing well is not my purpose but weighing in with my opinion is.

Doing well is not my purpose Then wouldn't you need to change your purpose?

I don't care about the president's virus problem. He's just one more amongst millions to catch this illness. It has no political meaning at all.

still flying in circles I see

Of course the dufus has all kinds of shady deals to help him along. Legal? Maybe NOT!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-09/trump-got-unusual-payments-from-vegas-hotel-in-2016-nyt-says

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/busted-the-illegal-money-trail-from-donald-trumps-las-vegas-hotel-to-his-campaign/33012/

He better hurry up and pardon himself.

Oh my gosh!! "Unusual payments"???

As to the second article, it is headed by this. Donate $25 now to help Palmer Report's editorial takedown of Donald Trump: (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=4Q29Y8DYQF4TU&source=url)

So is this what you call using an unbiased source?

And you are, you must remember, the same guy who had no problems with Mr. Obama lying to the whole world about the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi. So it just makes all of this rumor-mongering a little hard to take seriously.

I don't care about the president's virus problem...It has no political meaning at all.
No, nothing political. After all, he's just our president....

Being sick is not about politics. I'm sure he ate dinner last night. That is also not about politics.

Just more TDS.

Oh my gosh!! "Unusual payments"???

As to the second article, it is headed by this. Donate $25 now to help Palmer Report's editorial takedown of Donald Trump: (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=4Q29Y8DYQF4TU&source=url)

So is this what you call using an unbiased source?

And you are, you must remember, the same guy who had no problems with Mr. Obama lying to the whole world about the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi. So it just makes all of this rumor-mongering a little hard to take seriously.

Threw that 2nd link in just for you as I had a choice of DOZENS! Your noun, verb, and Benghazi...blame it on Obama was expected and nothing new.

Choice of dozens of liberal, biased, TDS driven sites? No doubt true. And still don’t care about 4 dead Americans which is sad.

Choice of dozens of liberal, biased, TDS driven sites? No doubt true. And still don’t care about 4 dead Americans which is sad.
What about the 200,000+ who have died in the US from the coronavirus?

I think he Chicoms should be held responsible.

I think terrorists should be held responsible for Benghazi.

How are you going to do that? bomb Tripoli? bomb Benghazi? that boat has sailed, the time for retaliation has passed, terrorists died in the attack

Some were arrested tried and imprisoned too. Unlike the dufus who lets the terrorist in Niger off the hook, and Vlad putting bounties on our troops, and Saudis murdering Americans. Nothing from the right about any of that.

I think terrorists should be held responsible for Benghazi.Might want to call Obama and let him know they were terrorists. He was confused about that.

Obama called it an act of terror so how does that differ from terrorist attack?

Except that he sent S. Rice to say it was NOT a terrorist attack. How do you explain that?

That's what the preliminary intel report was. She stated that also but listening is not the right wing loony strong point because you're to busy whining and hollering your own noise. You never even bothered to read what was going on at MANY of the embassies around the world in the days before the Benghazi attack.

Do you loons even listen to yourself? If you did you would at least acknowledge your own lunacy and not just everybody else's. I submit as evidence all your lunatic postings on this forum.

That's what the preliminary intel report was. She stated that also but listening is not the right wing loony strong point because you're to busy whining and hollering your own noise.If that's what the "preliminary intel" was, then why didn't Obama say that in the Rose Garden several days earlier? Why were the two statements so different?

In other news, what a relief!! Biden is not actually running for president, he's running for the Senate. Whew!!

"You know, we have to come together. That's why I'm running. I'm running as a proud Democrat for the Senate,"

If that's what the "preliminary intel" was, then why didn't Obama say that in the Rose Garden several days earlier? Why were the two statements so different?

I thought I gave you this link before of what she actually said.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-us-ambassador-united-nations-susan-rice/story?id=17240933#.UKQD2GfSnpg

Your right wing version seems to be the one that's different.

Since you didn't answer, I'll ask again. If that's what the "preliminary intel" was, then why didn't Obama say that in the Rose Garden several days earlier? Why were the two statements so different?

They weren't different enough to be contradictory. I don't care about the right wing spin, but do understand the emotions after a shocking sneak attack. To this day nobody ever credits the other guys involved that fought the attackers off.

Sure they weren’t.

Here's Obamas speech you show me the contradictions.

https://americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barackobama/barackobamabenghaziattacks.htm

Obama called it an, "outrageous and shocking attack". He later referred to it as "acts of terror".

By the time Rice spoke four days later, she had softened the tone to this. "But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous -- not a premeditated -- response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated. We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to -- or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there."

So we go from "outrageous and shocking", and "acts of terror" to something that was merely spontaneous, not premediated, and only a response to a video. Weirdly, she was more critical in her description of the video than she was in her description of the attack.

So we go from acts of terror to simply a spontaneous reaction to a video. Yeah. No contradiction there.

folks cause the catrastrophy in Benghazi, folks? what sort of folks, why, they were Muslims, Libyan folks, good folks, who just wanted to protest american injustice mettered out by someone who might live in Washington and be a closet Muslim himself. how could we escape the fact that these were just folks

I'm not surprised that conservatives have a consistent narrative about that tragedy, all it takes is a noun, a verb, and Benghazi to start an attack on any liberal. Better than talking about the dufusites swallowing whoppers whole and clamoring for more and he does deliver.

Is this what passes now as an intelligent, well thought-out reply about whoppers, nouns, and verbs? You would be much better off to simply admit you were wrong. Or perhaps you really don't care that Obama lied about the deaths of 4 Americans. BTW I was not speaking of "any liberal". I was speaking of Obama.

Seems to be an advanced case of TDS on display.

folks cause the catrastrophy in Benghazi, folks? what sort of folks, why, they were Muslims, Libyan folks, good folks, who just wanted to protest american injustice mettered out by someone who might live in Washington and be a closet Muslim himself. how could we escape the fact that these were just folks
besides the blown response to the attack ,and the subsequent attempted coverup and blame shift ;the real scandal still being unaddressed is why was Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi in the 1st place ? Hint .... the emperor was attempting to divert weapons given to bad actors in Libya ,so they could be given to bad actors in Syria.

I agree there was more to it that meets the eye in Benghazi, but is that like the 4 soldiers killed in Niger?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongo_Tongo_ambush