View Full Version : Quick informal poll: Are you pro-Biden or pro-Trump?
DixieChick66
Sep 21, 2020, 02:57 AM
I'm a new member here and looking forward to meeting new people and having some interesting discussions. 🙂
I have a question I'd like to ask about the upcoming presidential election and the candidates, but before doing that I decided to test the waters by having an informal poll, or a virtual "show of hands" if you will.
For those of you willing to "humor" the newbie and possibly participate in my future discussion about the pending election, please be so kind as to reply to this post with a simple one-word reply.
QUESTION: If the election was held today, who would you vote for - Trump or Biden?
Again, please limit your reply to the name of the candidate you support. No need to explain why you think your candidate would make a better president or why the other candidate is a complete loser only an idiot would vote for. Let's save those arguments for another time. I'd just like to get a rough idea of what percentage of members support Trump and what percentage support Biden.
Thanks so much!
paraclete
Sep 21, 2020, 06:22 AM
I'm just an interested observer who is glad not to have to make this decision
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 06:42 AM
Biden/Harris, and welcome to the forum. Who is your choice?
tomder55
Sep 21, 2020, 06:49 AM
welcome Dixie
for me it is much more complex than for or against . 2016 I was a never Trumper who wrote in my choice . Gun to my head I would vote for Trump over Quid Pro Joe (aka Biden) . My vote doesn't count anyway because I live in the single party dictatorship of New York .
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 07:38 AM
Trump. Not a great fan of Trump, but an intelligent robot would be better than Biden who seems to believe that 200 million people have died from Covid.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 08:43 AM
LOL, obviously the conservatives don't want to follow the directions given by the poster. They're ready to RUMBLE! 8D
Can't blame them...I'm ready to ROCK and RUMBLE myself!
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DixieChick66
Sep 21, 2020, 01:55 PM
Originally I was going to refrain from posting my choice for a few days until I saw how many others were willing to chime in... I was worried that members who supported the opposing candidate might decide to NOT participate, thinking that I might try to steer the conversation in a direction favoring my candidate of choice. But after reading your question and re-thinking my initial decision to keep mum about my personal choice I finally decided, "Why not?" After all, what is the point of a good debate/discussion if NOT to try and convince others of the "rightness" of your opinion? Lol.
Although not a fan initially (and still not a HUGE fan) I support Trump. That said, I will save my reasons and arguments for later discussion.
Thanks for participating!
DixieChick66
Sep 21, 2020, 02:07 PM
Ahhhh, so I'm not the only one who picked up on that! I've seen so many posts about Trump's inaccuracies (at best) and/or lies (at worst) that I was beginning to wonder if anyone was paying attention to any of Biden's balderdash. Lol.
Oops, violating my own stipulation of simple answers, save the arguments for later. Lol.
🤐
DixieChick66
Sep 21, 2020, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the welcome Tom. Thanks for participating!
InfoJunkie4Life
Sep 21, 2020, 10:46 PM
TRUMP, the greatest orange man of the century (however young it may be)
tomder55
Sep 22, 2020, 04:45 AM
.. I was worried that members who supported the opposing candidate might decide to NOT participate not to worry . No one here is shy or afraid to express their opinion. Stick around , you'll have fun.
jlisenbe
Sep 22, 2020, 05:31 AM
the greatest orange man of the centuryThat made me laugh out loud. Bumper stickers?? "Vote for Trump, the greatest orange man of the century!"
Welcome aboard, Dixie. Going on your name, I had you pegged as a left winger. Thanks for the nice surprise.
Athos
Sep 22, 2020, 07:53 PM
Although not a fan initially (and still not a HUGE fan) I support Trump. That said, I will save my reasons and arguments for later discussion.
I look forward to hearing your reasons and arguments for supporting Trump. It's always a curiosity to me that anyone who is aware of Trump's filthy behavior can support him. But I'm willing to listen.
tomder55
Sep 23, 2020, 04:10 AM
Trump's filthy behavior
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talaniman
Sep 23, 2020, 04:37 AM
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DixieChick66
Oct 18, 2020, 12:10 PM
Ok folks, I'm back! Sorry for disappearing without warning or explanation. I'm sure some of you probably thought this southern girl decided she'd bitten off more than she could chew and turned tail and ran. Nope, nothing like that. Simply a case of equipment failure (my desktop crashed) coinciding with extenuating circumstances (a family matter requiring my immediate and undivided attention.) I just now managed to get both situations back under control and this is the first time I've been back to the website in almost a month.
I haven't even taken the time tothoughtfully read your posts, but I did do a quick skim and it sounds like it could be interesting if everyone's interest hasn't wained while I was away. I'm going to try to catch up and post some replies this evening if you'd like to check back later and see what the new girl has to say. Lol.
Thanks for the warm welcome. And again, my apologies for my unexpected absence.
Y'all come back now, ya hear?
(In my best Minnie Pearl voice. Ha!)
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jlisenbe
Oct 20, 2020, 07:15 PM
Hang in there, "new girl".
paraclete
Oct 20, 2020, 07:24 PM
Nothing has changed to change my earlier opinion
talaniman
Oct 20, 2020, 09:14 PM
I've already voted and didn't have to hold my nose to vote for OLE JOE!
paraclete
Oct 20, 2020, 10:15 PM
too old to have a sense of smell, eh, no matter, the stench is the same from either side
jlisenbe
Oct 21, 2020, 03:20 AM
I've already voted and didn't have to hold my nose to vote for OLE JOE!Didn't have to hold your nose to support abortion? Sad.
talaniman
Oct 21, 2020, 04:16 PM
The ones that don't get aborted have always been a higher priority.
jlisenbe
Oct 21, 2020, 08:06 PM
The ones that don't get abortedThe lucky ones we let off the hook and don't kill.
Wondergirl
Oct 21, 2020, 08:24 PM
The lucky ones we let off the hook and don't kill.
What oh what would we do with over 300,000 more unloved and unwanted babies???
paraclete
Oct 21, 2020, 09:40 PM
that's your excuse?
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 05:13 AM
What oh what would we do with over 300,000 more unloved and unwanted babies???So you think it's a much better idea you have to just kill them? Well, while you're at it you might as well kill the ones who have been born and yet are unloved and unwanted. I mean if that's your standard, that unloved and unwanted babies have no right to be alive, then perhaps you should go ahead and press on with it.
You're honest about it. I guess I'll give you that.
paraclete
Oct 22, 2020, 05:39 AM
So you think it's a much better idea you have to just kill them? Well, while you're at it you might as well kill the ones who have been born and yet are unloved and unwanted. I mean if that's your standard, that unloved and unwanted babies have no right to be alive, then perhaps you should go ahead and press on with it.
You're honest about it. I guess I'll give you that.
With a system like that the tally would be 50 million, 100 million but you sure would solve your poverty and drug problem
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 08:44 AM
So you think it's a much better idea you have to just kill them? Well, while you're at it you might as well kill the ones who have been born and yet are unloved and unwanted. I mean if that's your standard, that unloved and unwanted babies have no right to be alive, then perhaps you should go ahead and press on with it.
That's what Trump does, especially with babies that aren't white, but even white ones.
You're honest about it. I guess I'll give you that.
Oh, that was sarcasm from me. Apparently, you don't know the difference in tones. Plus, you really whipped up my comment into quite a screed.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 09:22 AM
That's what Trump does, especially with babies that aren't white, but even white ones. That's a ridiculous assertion for which you have no evidence. Just more TDS.
Oh, that was sarcasm from me. Apparently, you don't know the difference in tones. Plus, you really whipped up my comment into quite a screed.Oh? What were you being sarcastic about?
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 09:56 AM
That's a ridiculous assertion for which you have no evidence. Just more TDS.
You really need to keep up with the news!
Oh? What were you being sarcastic about?
...about how well we care for the born babies that are unwanted and unloved -- pssst, we don't.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 10:15 AM
You really need to keep up with the news!Yeah, yeah. That's always the reply. "Keep up with the non-existent news."
...about how well we care for the born babies that are unwanted and unloved -- pssst, we don't.Another ridiculous statement. You notice any "unwanted and unloved" babies set out to die? Of course they are taken care of.
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 10:22 AM
Yeah, yeah. That's always the reply. "Keep up with the non-existent news."
I didn't think you do.
Another ridiculous statement. You notice any "unwanted and unloved" babies set out to die? Of course they are taken care of.
No, they aren't "set out to die." They are mentally and physically abused in those "loving" homes.
talaniman
Oct 22, 2020, 11:04 AM
Rant on about those aborted babies maybe a million, while you abuse the hundred million that are actually born, like the dead beat right wing self righteous one trick pony that you are. Don't bother denying it, like you deny everything except your own narrow view of the world and the people in it, because any loon who thinks it's okay to force choices on women and send a kid to jail without humane due process isn't playing with a full deck to begin with. So say what you want about whatever turns your crank but yet again we are talking about politics but all you know is abortions and to be frank, very little about that either so you may as well save the bullying for those that want it since obviously it ain't happening here.
It's no ones fault but yours you're stuck in the world of ancient man who lived in a desert and the concepts TV, radio, and internet are beyond you, which explains your total lack of empathy and understanding of people in the real world in real time, which can only mean you got life and BS all mixed up.
If you were serious about saving babies you'd be passing our free birth control but NOOOOOO, that's not an option is it? Good luck stopping people from having sex though, which is the only way to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I think you would be better served sticking a bible up the dufus a$$ rather than your own head for a few bucks and a big stick to beat people over the head that you can't control.
So pull your nose holding head out of his arse and get a TV that has the NEWS or learn to use the Internet. That would help.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 11:28 AM
I didn't think you do.Follow non-existent news? Kind of hard to do.
No, they aren't "set out to die." They are mentally and physically abused in those "loving" homes.We can agree that it is tragic. Just goes to show that our culture needs a lot of change. But when you support those who support abortion, can you really say you are setting a good example? Does killing unborn children somehow make you feel better about child neglect and abuse?
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 11:48 AM
Follow non-existent news? Kind of hard to do.
No wonder you're lost! Mississippi doesn't have news coverage.
But when you support those who support abortion, can you really say you are setting a good example? Does killing unborn children somehow make you feel better about child neglect and abuse?
I have never said I'm pro-abortion.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 12:05 PM
No wonder you're lost! Mississippi doesn't have news coverage.Out of facts, so resort to insults. Got it.
You are voting for a radical pro-abortionist as you did in 2016. What's the difference?
talaniman
Oct 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
Follow non-existent news? Kind of hard to do.
It exists so you either don't know where to look, know it exists but don't acknowledge it, or dismiss it and attack those that do acknowledge it.
We can agree that it is tragic. Just goes to show that our culture needs a lot of change. But when you support those who support abortion, can you really say you are setting a good example? Does killing unborn children somehow make you feel better about child neglect and abuse?
Does your example of supporting a lying cheating abusive bully dufus for a few bucks and activists judges make you feel better? You have reduced a complex issue down to an accusation that helps no one. You have the nerve to be so self righteous about it on top of that? That doesn't make you right and others wrong.
Athos
Oct 22, 2020, 12:53 PM
You have reduced a complex issue down to an accusation that helps no one. You have the nerve to be so self righteous about it on top of that? That doesn't make you right and others wrong.
Every so often, you hit the bulls-eye, tal. BRAVO!
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 12:55 PM
You are voting for a radical pro-abortionist as you did in 2016. What's the difference?
I am? I've never said whom I'm voting for. Or whom I voted for in 2016. Maybe your leg is getting pulled.
Athos
Oct 22, 2020, 01:22 PM
I have never said I'm pro-abortion.
People often confuse pro-abortion with pro-choice.
A person who is pro-choice supports letting the woman decide whether she should have an abortion. They also tend to be against abortion except in the instance just mentioned, and in other exceptions such as incest and rape. The majority of pro-choice people are, in fact, personally against abortion.
I believe this is the stated position of WG here.
It's much easier to see pro-choice as pro-abortion since it requires some thought to examine the differences.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 02:09 PM
It exists so you either don't know where to look, know it exists but don't acknowledge it, or dismiss it and attack those that do acknowledge it.Evidently no one here knows where to look either.
Does your example of supporting a lying cheating abusive bully dufus for a few bucks and activists judges make you feel better? You have reduced a complex issue down to an accusation that helps no one. You have the nerve to be so self righteous about it on top of that? That doesn't make you right and others wrong.It came down to which lying candidate did I want to vote for, DT or HC. They both lied just like JB has, so that's an argument for losers that you're presenting. Which liar did you vote for?
For a few bucks? He hasn't sent me any money. Activist judges? You mean like the liberals who invented rights to abortion and gay marriage in the Constitution? Don't make me laugh.
As to the whole "pro-choice" argument which appeals to the supposed right of a pregnant woman to control her own body, I can dispose of that with one simple question which I already know none of you will care to answer. Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child? And please don't come up with the evasive garbage. Do you think she should be allowed to do that?
If you vote to allow abortion, then you are pro-abortion. It's like suggesting I am personally opposed to slavery, but I don't want to tell someone else they can't own slaves. It's just a weak, poor excuse designed to allow people to avoid moral responsibility.
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 02:26 PM
As to the whole "pro-choice" argument which appeals to the supposed right of a pregnant woman to control her own body, I can dispose of that with one simple question which I already know none of you will care to answer. Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child? And please don't come up with the evasive garbage. Do you think she should be allowed to do that?
That rarely, IF EVER, happens, that she changed her mind at the end of the pregnancy. If anything, it's a medical conundrum -- she dies or the fetus does. Find me a woman who, willy nilly, said during her ninth month, "Oh, gee! I don't want this kid in my life after all" and then got an abortion.
If you vote to allow abortion, then you are pro-abortion.
Now there's a vote on abortion?
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 02:32 PM
I don't want to tell someone else they can't own slaves. It's just a weak, poor excuse designed to allow people to avoid moral responsibility.
The people who owned slaves were wealthy Southern white men. Let's trash Southern white men forever!
talaniman
Oct 22, 2020, 03:23 PM
Evidently no one here knows where to look either.
Why should WE do YOUR homework for you? Given your dismissive responses, accusatory assertions and passive aggressive name calling and selective fact checking why bother?
It came down to which lying candidate did I want to vote for, DT or HC. They both lied just like JB has, so that's an argument for losers that you're presenting. Which liar did you vote for?
The other one. I guess it's a matter of degree and competence between the liars huh?
For a few bucks? He hasn't sent me any money. Activist judges? You mean like the liberals who invented rights to abortion and gay marriage in the Constitution? Don't make me laugh.
You didn't get a few bucks out of that budget busting tax cut for rich folks? You make my case since it was for the rich PERMANENTLY and not you or me, and our crumbs expire in a year or so. States are the ones that pushed for abortions and gay marriage dude, and that happened after years of litigation. That's why you want activist judges to take us back to a time when discrimination was okay.
Who do you think you are getting all up in peoples personal business?
As to the whole "pro-choice" argument which appeals to the supposed right of a pregnant woman to control her own body, I can dispose of that with one simple question which I already know none of you will care to answer. Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child? And please don't come up with the evasive garbage. Do you think she should be allowed to do that?
Just an absurd right wing anti abortion crap talking point. Read the law and actual practice. That never happens and makes the question garbage.
If you vote to allow abortion, then you are pro-abortion. It's like suggesting I am personally opposed to slavery, but I don't want to tell someone else they can't own slaves. It's just a weak, poor excuse designed to allow people to avoid moral responsibility.
See, didn't I tell you that you are a one trick pony. Abortion is but one issue people use to decide in which whom to vote for. Who are you to decide what someone's moral responsibility is? Can't speak against slavery but abortion is bad?
Not very morally responsible voting for people who want Obamacare repealed with no replacement either.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 04:09 PM
That rarely, IF EVER, happens, that she changed her mind at the end of the pregnancy. If anything, it's a medical conundrum -- she dies or the fetus does. Find me a woman who, willy nilly, said during her ninth month, "Oh, gee! I don't want this kid in my life after all" and then got an abortion.Like I said...no answer. Should it be allowed or not?
The people who owned slaves were wealthy Southern white men. Let's trash Southern white men forever!Completely ignored the point.
Why should WE do YOUR homework for you?It's your argument, so it's your homework.
The other one. I guess it's a matter of degree and competence between the liars huh?Finally, an honest answer.
States are the ones that pushed for abortions and gay marriage dude, and that happened after years of litigation.Then why not let the states handle it rather than invent rights that are nowhere to be found in the Constitution?
Just an absurd right wing anti abortion crap talking point. Read the law and actual practice. That never happens and makes the question garbage.Man, you guys are so afraid to answer a simple question. I always know when I've got ya, because you get mad and avoid the issue.
See, didn't I tell you that you are a one trick pony. Abortion is but one issue people use to decide in which whom to vote for. Who are you to decide what someone's moral responsibility is? Can't speak against slavery but abortion is bad?Unlike you, I am against both owning people and killing unborn babies.
paraclete
Oct 22, 2020, 04:35 PM
I am against both owning people and killing unborn babies.
I can relate to that, but I can't relate to your head in the sand attitude towards Trump, he calls everyone else criminals while being the biggest criminal ever to take office. The facts are; in politics no one is perfect and everyone uses situational ethics to advantage themselves and their family, some of these actions are criminal, that is; they are contrary to law.
Modern day capitalism is no different to slavery, millions are enslaved working for low wages, yet you think this system is great and yet you say you are opposed to slavery, you brush it off because people are no longer bought and sold. There is much injustice in the world, but charity starts at home
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 04:50 PM
Like I said...no answer. Should it be allowed or not?
Of course, it should be "allowed." In fact, at this point it isn't a matter of choice but a matter of life or death for either the mother or the fetus.
You would prefer your wife die and the fetus delivered by c-section?
you get mad and avoid the issue.
Nobody's mad. Why do YOU refuse to answer our questions?
Unlike you, I am against both owning people and killing unborn babies.
Don't forget to answer my question above. Wife or fetus -- you can choose only one.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 05:02 PM
Of course, it should be "allowed." In fact, at this point it isn't a matter of choice but a matter of life or death for either the mother or the fetusVery clever attempt to change the question, but it won't work. The mother has simply changed her mind. Should she be allowed to have an abortion on those grounds?
Nobody's mad. Why do YOU refuse to answer our questions?You first. I asked the question first, so it's on you to answer. When you have, then I will be glad to answer yours.
For your benefit, I'll repost my question. "Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child?" No more evasiveness. Answer the question as asked. Psst. I already know you won't.
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 06:03 PM
Very clever attempt to change the question, but it won't work. The mother has simply changed her mind. Should she be allowed to have an abortion on those grounds?
For your benefit, I'll repost my question. "Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child?" No more evasiveness. Answer the question as asked. Psst. I already know you won't.
It won't happen. Pregnant women don't change their minds willy nilly at the last minute. That's not how it works. (Give me a solid, legit reason why she would want an abortion.) Btw, I hope you spend time in Purgatory as a pregnant woman who's told it's her life or her fetus's.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 06:10 PM
Again. Afraid to answer.
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 06:14 PM
Again. Afraid to answer.
I SAID, it won't happen.
talaniman
Oct 22, 2020, 06:15 PM
Very clever attempt to change the question, but it won't work. The mother has simply changed her mind. Should she be allowed to have an abortion on those grounds?
You first. I asked the question first, so it's on you to answer. When you have, then I will be glad to answer yours.
For your benefit, I'll repost my question. "Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child?" No more evasiveness. Answer the question as asked. Psst. I already know you won't.
You NUT! It's against the law for such a late term abortion for the reason you give. You should have done your homework.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 06:22 PM
You are still not answering the question, though I will give Tal credit for trying. The question is should a woman be allowed to do that?
Wondergirl
Oct 22, 2020, 06:28 PM
You are still not answering the question, though I will give Tal credit for trying. The question is should a woman be allowed to do that?
The law doesn't allow it.
jlisenbe
Oct 22, 2020, 06:42 PM
And that is still not the question. Should a woman be allowed to do it?
You guys are so afraid of this question.
talaniman
Oct 22, 2020, 07:43 PM
Your question was answered, and either you didn't understand the answer, or didn't like it.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 04:50 AM
My question was never answered. The substitute questions you guys concocted got answered because you were afraid to answer mine.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 08:37 AM
Are you afraid to accept the answers given, or just don't understand? Trying to be nice since you can ask a question but cannot demand the answer you want unless you have a point besides casting others as afraid?
So what's your point? What are you trying to prove? My point is your question is based on a hypothetical that does not exist and totally unlawful. Now if you know of any loons trying to change it speak up.
Or are you just projecting your worse fears? I think you are but only you can honestly answer THAT question.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 09:03 AM
My question was never answered. The substitute questions you guys concocted got answered because you were afraid to answer mine.
No fear here! Your question is so unlikely, so hypothetical, like tal said -- like a do we agree with and support a three-year-old telling his parents he doesn't want any gifts at Christmas this year but simply wants to lie in bed and pray. (Hmm, what's going on in his head?)
You want us to say we're all for abortion, no matter the reason.
If a woman friend is in her ninth month of pregnancy and wants an abortion, I would first ask her why. Depending on her answer to that, the conversation can then go in many different directions, at least one of which would be to talk her out of having an abortion.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 09:36 AM
But should she be allowed to simply because she no longer wants a baby?
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 09:58 AM
But should she be allowed to simply because she no longer wants a baby?
There is a reason she no longer wants a baby and I want to know what it is. Carrying a fetus for nine months is not an easy feat, not like saying no to dessert but a bit like not going on a vacation you've been planning for a year. What's going on in her head?
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 10:05 AM
Regardless, should she be allowed to simply because she no longer wants a child?
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 10:12 AM
Regardless, should she be allowed to simply because she no longer wants a child?
Is she going to cause an abortion no matter what anyone says?
How would you not "allow" her?
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 10:21 AM
So you are in favor of allowing it. Wow is all I can say to that.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 10:29 AM
You want us to say we're all for abortion, no matter the reason.
Looks like you were dead on correct.
So you are in favor of allowing it. Wow is all I can say to that.
Asking questions to clarify your question is not an admission though everybody knows that was your intention.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 10:50 AM
So you are in favor of allowing it. Wow is all I can say to that.
How did you get that out of what I said???
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 12:53 PM
Well, that's kind of what happens when you camp out on the middle ground. People just have to guess at what on earth you're trying to say.
You want us to say we're all for abortion, no matter the reason.Actually, I'm just trying to get you to say what your position is on abortion.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 01:07 PM
Well, that's kind of what happens when you camp out on the middle ground. People just have to guess at what on earth you're trying to say.
What's wrong with the middle ground?
Actually, I'm just trying to get you to say what your position is on abortion.
No you're not you're being an abusive nut.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 01:08 PM
So you are in favor of allowing it. Wow is all I can say to that.
You would have to be with her 24/7 so she doesn't abort her fetus. "Allowing" is not even a word to be used in this situation. We allow our child to have a second helping of ice cream. We allow the dog to splash around in the creek. We allow our MIL to ... take over.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 01:36 PM
Forget it. You're just too scared to make a decision, I guess.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 01:42 PM
Feel free to comeback when you get it.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 01:45 PM
Forget it. You're just too scared to make a decision, I guess.
Yeah, scared 'cause you're sooooo intimidating.[/sarcasm]
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 01:54 PM
Nah. It's not me, it's you. You're smart enough to know where this is heading. If you approve of a nine month abortion, then you're a cold hearted person. If you don't think it should be allowed by law, then you're on the side of those you claim to disagree with, which would be those who, you say, advocate for controlling a woman's body. So realizing that, you try to be evasive and camp in the middle ground, also know as "no man's land". Honestly, I think you know what's right, but your liberal orthodoxy won't allow you to say it.
I told you that when I first asked the question. "As to the whole "pro-choice" argument which appeals to the supposed right of a pregnant woman to control her own body, I can dispose of that with one simple question which I already know none of you will care to answer. Should a woman be able to have an abortion in her ninth month of pregnancy because she changed her mind and decided she did not want to have a child? And please don't come up with the evasive garbage. Do you think she should be allowed to do that?"
The question is intended to reveal the truth. Not answering it is a way to conceal the truth.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 02:30 PM
you try to be evasive and camp in the middle ground, also know as "no man's land". Honestly, I think you know what's right, but your liberal orthodoxy won't allow you to say it.
The real problem is that your question is poorly thought out. I would think someone with your education would have asked a much more thought-provoking question than one a playground bully would have asked.
Have you ever heard of a woman who changed her mind during the ninth month of her pregnancy? If so, what was her reason? That certainly piques my curiosity!
Athos
Oct 23, 2020, 02:39 PM
The real problem is that your question is poorly thought out. I would think someone with your education would have asked a much more thought-provoking question than one a playground bully would have asked.
"...a playground bully..."! You sure got a way with words, WG.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 02:52 PM
The real problem is that your question is poorly thought out. I would think someone with your education would have asked a much more thought-provoking question than one a playground bully would have asked.I know. It's always someone else's fault with you guys. It just has to be a poor question that you wouldn't answer? Well, I told you from the word go that you wouldn't do it. I knew it from the beginning. You just view it as too philosophically dangerous for you. It's always easier to simply not take a position and so have nothing to defend.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 02:56 PM
I know. It's always someone else's fault with you guys. It just has to be a poor question that you wouldn't answer? Well, I told you from the word go that you wouldn't do it. I knew it from the beginning. You just view it as too philosophically dangerous for you. It's always easier to simply not take a position and so have nothing to defend.
Ask an honest question, please.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 03:51 PM
There's no point in it. You've already demonstrated you won't answer one.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 04:32 PM
There's no point in it. You've already demonstrated you won't answer one.
I don't answer questions that aren't well thought out, and I prefer it when the questioner is honestly interested in my answer as a discussion starting point instead of doing a "ha! gotcha!"
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 04:35 PM
You behaved as I predicted.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 04:45 PM
You behaved as I predicted.
Meaning I read you correctly! I.e., you tried to set me up.
Even a middle schooler would agree your question was very badly stated.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 05:23 PM
Yeah. Sure they would.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 07:47 PM
You behaved predictably...like a nut! No wonder you asked a nutty question. You can't help yourself. You couldn't even clarify your question when asked.
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 07:53 PM
Always the same. Run out of ideas so start calling names. Sad. Learn to think.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 07:57 PM
Always the same. Run out of ideas so start calling names. Sad. Learn to think.
I have tons of ideas for discussion!
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 08:01 PM
Always the same. Run out of ideas so start calling names. Sad. Learn to think.
I'm not the one asking dumb gotcha questions that you cannot clarify when asked. You should take responsibility for being a nut.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2020, 08:04 PM
You should take responsibility for being a nut.
Reminds me of this song:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVKUap1HgU
jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2020, 08:14 PM
I have tons of ideas for discussion!It's hard to discuss anything with you because once you feel a little closed in, then you become evasive, but I suppose we can try tomorrow. I'll let you ask the question and then show you how to answer one.
questions that you cannot clarify when asked.That's a completely and totally stupid comment. There was no problem with clarity since it was a simple and straightforward question. Your comment is what people say when they just don't want to answer.
I do wonder where poor Dixie Chick went. I had hope for her.
talaniman
Oct 23, 2020, 09:04 PM
That's a completely and totally stupid comment. There was no problem with clarity since it was a simple and straightforward question. Your comment is what people say when they just don't want to answer.
You're being disingenuous my friend and deceptive. You've tried those simple straightforward trap questions before to attack ones position, and ignored clarity by refusing to answer questions to that end. Your trap didn't work so you attack any way, knowing for fact a woman is NOT allowed such a late term abortion unless there is a danger to her life. There are all kinds of limits to our rights set by law, which complicates your simple straightforward question.
Don't get mad because we saw through your trap question. That you think we would be dumb enough to fall for it is the sad part. It's fine if you don't agree with the law, but don't blame citizens for living by it. Be so simple if you had just clarified whether or not the woman's life was in danger or not. No you couldn't do that because as you admitted your intention was attack, not discuss.
That was stupid of you.
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 02:10 AM
Don't get mad because we saw through your trap question.Trap question? Well, there are simple, straight forward questions that some honest people answer, but that others who are afraid will run from like the plague. That's what I presented to you. There was no need to clarify that the woman's life was not in danger since that was made obvious from the beginning when I said she simply changed her mind and didn't want a baby. For anyone able to read and think, it was obvious. That you guys are terrified of the question was made clear by your refusal to answer it. It's a fear that stems from holding a position that is illogical and morally indefensible. That's why I said from the beginning that you would not answer it, and that proved to be completely correct. You sometimes do, but not the others.
That was stupid of you.Try coming up with an original thought.
It's fine if you don't agree with the law, but don't blame citizens for living by it.Would that have been good advice for those opposed to slavery in 1860? It's really a reprehensible position. "The law allows for the killing of unborn children, so just accept it like a good little comrade and move on. Certainly you wouldn't want to voice any opposition or think for yourself. After all, you must follow the lead of your beloved dem leaders."
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 04:44 AM
DixieChick66 Hi again . Back to topic ; I recommend this new released documentary movie on Amazon .It can be rented at a reasonable price and explains the Russian collusion hoax and coup attempt by the exiting Obama Adm (including Joe Biden) ;and their unconstitutional use of the Federal Law enforcement and Intelligence agencies to first spy on ,and then remove Trump from office.
https://smile.amazon.com/Plot-Against-President-Devin-Nunes/dp/B08LN2X4RH/ref=sr_1_2?crid=4TDQALHZ0HH6&dchild=1&keywords=the+plot+against+the+president&qid=1603539211&sprefix=the+plo%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-2
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 06:02 AM
Tom, the video is free is you're on Amazon Prime.
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 06:13 AM
as much as I use Amazon I should be . But what I do is set up my purchases to maximize the $ amt so I qualify for free shipping . I try to limit my entertainment budget otherwise . The director of the movie is Amanda Milius . Her father John Milius wrote and directed 'Red Dawn' . That was about a fictional Russian invasion. This movie is about another fictional Russian invasion.
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 06:22 AM
That was about a fictional Russian invasion. This movie is about another fictional Russian invasion.Clever!
talaniman
Oct 24, 2020, 08:39 AM
Clever FICTION.
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 09:33 AM
Clever FICTION.Absolutely correct. The entire story about Russian collusion was a grand fiction.
Wondergirl
Oct 24, 2020, 09:34 AM
I'll let you ask the question and then show you how to answer one.
You'll let me ask a question and show me how to answer one.... Talk about condescension!
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 10:43 AM
You'll let me ask a question and show me how to answer one.... Talk about condescension!If you don't want to hear that, then try answering questions. Plainly someone needs to show you how it's done. Not trying to be condescending at all, but just being honest.
Athos
Oct 24, 2020, 11:24 AM
I recommend this new released documentary movie on Amazon .It can be rented at a reasonable price and explains the Russian collusion hoax and coup attempt by the exiting Obama Adm (including Joe Biden) ;and their unconstitutional use of the Federal Law enforcement and Intelligence agencies to first spy on ,and then remove Trump from office.
The video is nothing more than a bizarre swipe at Biden. To believe it, you must believe the entire US Intelligence apparatus is a vast left-wing conspiracy. That is a theory that originates in the far-right madness.
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 12:57 PM
no not the Entire US Intelligence apparatus . Just the FBI leadership under Comey ;along with John Brennan (CIA) and James Clapper(DNI) and of course the emperor and Quid . The Main Conspirators were in the Jan 5 2017 meeting .
Athos
Oct 24, 2020, 01:54 PM
no not the Entire US Intelligence apparatus . Just the FBI leadership under Comey ;along with John Brennan (CIA) and James Clapper(DNI) and of course the emperor and Quid . The Main Conspirators were in the Jan 5 2017 meeting .
Yes, the leadership, not the rank and file.
The rest is true - echoing Trump's "Russian Hoax" business, and his "fake news" and his "conspirators theory" is complete and utter nonsense that has become a mantra of the loony right-wing fringe.
Do you seriously believe that Obama is guilty of treason and should be executed as Trump suggests. If so, I got a bridge in Brooklyn for you that's for sale.
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 01:58 PM
Trump has suggested Obama committed Treason. Where do you find that he has said that Obama should be executed?
Wondergirl
Oct 24, 2020, 02:07 PM
Trump has suggested Obama committed Treason. Where do you find that he has said that Obama should be executed?
The penalty for treason is death. Trump didn't have to say Obama should be executed; it's a package deal.
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 02:50 PM
The penalty for treason is death. Trump didn't have to say Obama should be executed; it's a package deal.Fair enough.
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 03:21 PM
Do you seriously believe that Obama is guilty of treason and should be executed as Trump suggests Yes I think in the end the emperor was responsible . That is why Rice wrote the CYA email . Exceution of the emperor would not heal the wound. I just want acknowledgment and reforms so it can never happen again
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 03:24 PM
I just want acknowledgment and reforms so it can never happen againJust about right.
Athos
Oct 24, 2020, 03:26 PM
Exceution of the emperor would not heal the wound.
But if it did, I take it that you would approve of execution?
jlisenbe
Oct 24, 2020, 03:47 PM
If he was indeed guilty of treason, then what would you think? What more serious form of treason would exist than that committed by one of our presidents?
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 04:12 PM
But if it did, I take it that you would approve of execution? useless hypothetical. It aint happening .
Athos
Oct 24, 2020, 04:26 PM
useless hypothetical. It aint happening .
Ok, I don't like hypotheticals either. But I hope you wouldn't approve of execution. I don't think you've gone TOTALLY over to the dark side. I think you're still salvageable.
tomder55
Oct 24, 2020, 06:50 PM
He should be charged and then pardoned after there is a full accounting of what he and his administration did .... like Nixon
Athos
Oct 24, 2020, 08:00 PM
He should be charged and then pardoned after there is a full accounting of what he and his administration did .... like Nixon
Would you care to show us where this "full accounting" can be found?
jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2020, 01:28 AM
I don't know of any more incredible conspiracy than that of the major news services to NOT cover the latest Hunter Biden story. The stain on their credibility will be long-lasting, and it verifies beyond argument that they are in the tank for the Biden campaign. It's so bad that JB has not had a press conference since September. All of the momentum is with Trump. It's a mystery to me why JB is closing so weakly.
Do you think it was telling on Thursday's debate that JB did not deny the authenticity of the emails on HB's laptop?
tomder55
Oct 25, 2020, 03:12 AM
Would you care to show us where this "full accounting" can be found? already in motion with the declassification of documents . A trial ;a truth commission as I already suggested . The best way is the old fashion way . One by one move up the ladder with indictments and let each of them rat out the other . There is already enough evidence to charge Comey's underlings .
Athos
Oct 25, 2020, 05:01 AM
already in motion with the declassification of documents . A trial ;a truth commission as I already suggested . The best way is the old fashion way . One by one move up the ladder with indictments and let each of them rat out the other . There is already enough evidence to charge Comey's underlings .
So you don't have a full accounting yet. Just a desire to take down those you disagree with. That's what I thought.
jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2020, 05:27 AM
So you don't have a full accounting yet. Just a desire to take down those you disagree with. That's what I thought.You must think we're talking about the impeachment process against Trump.
talaniman
Oct 25, 2020, 04:11 PM
The dufus accountability will come from the outcome of the election. Even if he eeks out a win will he have a house and senate behind him? Hope not...GO JOE GO!
jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2020, 05:13 PM
GO JOE GO!Reminds me of an old cheer we used to use in college.
Go Joe Go
Go Joe Go
Around the bowl and down the hole
Go Joe Go
8D
talaniman
Oct 25, 2020, 05:21 PM
I suppose that's better than Dump the dufus! 8)
jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2020, 05:40 PM
Biden down the hole. I like it.
Athos
Oct 25, 2020, 07:35 PM
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3859837#post3859837)
already in motion with the declassification of documents . A trial ;a truth commission as I already suggested . The best way is the old fashion way . One by one move up the ladder with indictments and let each of them rat out the other . There is already enough evidence to charge Comey's underlings .
From Athos. So you don't have a full accounting yet. Just a desire to take down those you disagree with. That's what I thought.
Still hoping to see a full accounting from Tomder.
talaniman
Oct 25, 2020, 10:15 PM
Dufus underlings have already been charged and convicted. More to come? What a long line we have.
tomder55
Oct 26, 2020, 03:39 AM
read it again ....
He should be charged and then pardoned after there is a full accounting of what he and his administration did .... like Nixon
I never suggested that I had a full accounting . The documentary I suggested ,the book by Lee Smith it is primarily based on , and the investigative work by John Durham and by Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps . What did the emperor know and when did he know it ? Clearly he was involved . But did he lead it or was he fed misinformation by Coomey ,and Brennan(who is most likely the real ring leader ) . The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt. What should happen to them ? Certainly nothing less than what happened to General Flynn. At the very least all of them have been lying to the Congressional committees and to the American public .
jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2020, 05:40 AM
No one insisted on having a "full accounting" PRIOR to the impeachment hearings, so why the double standard? All of this is based on the idea that, "Where there's smoke there's fire." There sure is a lot of smoke in this case.
Athos
Oct 26, 2020, 05:57 AM
read it again ....
I never suggested that I had a full accounting .
Ok, sorry, I missed that.
Congressman Devin Nunes have paved the way for a full accounting . But there are still some gaps
Nunes is a disaster. "Still some gaps" - no doubt.
The one undeniable fact is that this cabal misused their office and deceived the FISA court to permit them to spy on the Trump campaign and later orchestrate a coup attempt.
Please provide proof of the undeniable fact that a "cabal" orchestrated a coup attempt. I'm aware of the FISA warrant being declared invalid.
General Flynn is guilty as hell. He's already confessed in open court.
tomder55
Oct 26, 2020, 06:22 AM
The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .
jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2020, 06:25 AM
The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .Well known truth.
Athos
Oct 26, 2020, 06:28 AM
The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .
I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.
tomder55
Oct 26, 2020, 07:54 AM
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3859887#post3859887)
The circumstance surrounding Flynn's "confession" reek of coercion .
I can't believe a smart guy like you tomder is buying into that ridiculous bowl of nonsense.
What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers This was supported by the interviewing FBI agents, who concluded that Flynn had not made intentional misstatements, just failures of recollection, which are common. Under federal law, a false statement made to investigators is actionable ONLY if it is material to the matter under investigation. If there was no basis to believe Flynn had committed a crime, any false statements allegedly made by Flynn when he was questioned in January 2017 were immaterial.
The FBI withheld this information violating the government’s duty to disclose exculpatory evidence.
Inspector Javert Mueller did indeed coerce a confession out of Flynn by threatening prosecution of his son. His son working for Flynn's security firm allegedly failed to register with the government as a foreign agent This is a dubious allegation that was rarely handled as a criminal offense before Mueller’s probe. It was also selectively applied as Republicans were charged or threatened to be charged while Democrats like Tony Podesta were given a pass.
talaniman
Oct 26, 2020, 08:20 AM
All this stuff is being litigated so stay tuned. Get popcorn since everybody has a lawyer. What's telling is you guys make a case and the dufus for all his corruption and shade throwing not one charge has been filed...NOT ONE!
Except against those dufus dudes and the dufus runs the government...for now anyway. Arrest somebody already! Or hold your noses and vote for the dufus to NOT go to jail. All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing. Hope you don't burn yourselves too bad trying to burn us liberals.
jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2020, 08:23 AM
All that right wing hollering and flailing about is the smoke we are seeing.Stay tuned for the fire.
talaniman
Oct 26, 2020, 08:31 AM
Liar, liar dufus pants on fire.
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.363290628.8139/flat,550x550,075,f.u1.jpg
jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2020, 08:38 AM
We shall see. One reason the dems are lying so freely in this election is a fear that if Trump is elected, then their misdeeds will be brought to light.
Athos
Oct 26, 2020, 11:58 AM
What is increasingly clear is that there was no basis for a belief that Flynn made false statements to FBI interviewers
Flynn pled guilty to lying three times in open court. His defense now is "I lied when I said I lied".
Flynn admitted to repeatedly lying to the Justice Department about his work as an agent for the government of Turkey — work that he continued, and concealed, while he was working for Trump. Part of his plea deal was that prosecutors would not pursue those charges.
Since he wants to change his plea, it would appear that he can now be charged for those other crimes. He should be allowed to plead not guilty and go to trial.
As Trump would put it, Flynn is a traitor "the likes of which the world has never seen".
jlisenbe
Oct 27, 2020, 07:53 AM
Peaceful protestors at it again.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/violent-clashes-break-out-in-philadelphia-after-police-fatally-shoot-man-with-knife-report
talaniman
Oct 27, 2020, 12:11 PM
Putin leads the way! Putin?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-orders-national-mask-mandate-as-covid-cases-spike-in-russia/ar-BB1arNhH?ocid=msedgntp
The solution to the dufus and repubs
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-can-learn-hardball-from-the-republicans-of-1861/ar-BB1aqKVH?ocid=msedgntp
Athos
Oct 27, 2020, 12:56 PM
The solution to the dufus and repubs
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-can-learn-hardball-from-the-republicans-of-1861/ar-BB1aqKVH?ocid=msedgntp
Agreed!
tomder55
Oct 27, 2020, 02:32 PM
umm no . The hardball radical Repubs set the stage for a resurgence of racist Democrats . When their power inevitably declined ;reconstruction ended ,and Jim Crow was institutionalized .(see the 1877 compromise ) .
Had Republicans stuck with Lincoln's plan of reconciliation it is probable that the South would've reentered the Union without another almost century of Southern resentment . Lincoln’s flexibility, pragmatism, and superior political skills with Congress would have solved Reconstruction with far less difficulty. But after his assassination there was little to stop the radical Republicans . They nearly got away with a political impeachment . As it was they had no problem dominating Congress. But they in fact set back racial relations as a result .
jlisenbe
Oct 27, 2020, 03:00 PM
They nearly got away with a political impeachment .Who does that remind you of?
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 07:54 AM
Now Justice Kavanaugh was opposed by the holier than thou crowd because he supposedly watched a supposed sexual assault when he was a teen-ager, an assault which was never reported to the cops and for which there was but scant evidence. Jacob Blake, on the other hand, actually DID sexually and physically assault a woman as an adult man. He is a major anti-Semite as well, and yet Kamala Harris says she is "proud" of him. How can anyone defend that? How can you be proud of a sexual predator racist?
talaniman
Oct 28, 2020, 08:17 AM
@Tom. Obviously defeating the southern armies didn't stop the war or the reasons for it. The subsequent laws and amendments didn't either. The civil war continues.
@JL. That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 10:02 AM
That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.That wasn't the point. It was Harris saying that she was "proud" of him that was sickening. He is an anit-semite racist for certain because that was on his website. His sexual assault case, as best as I remember, is pretty well settled as well. Sad that you are willing to give a benefit of the doubt to an obviously guilty man, but not to the guy who was "tried" with nothing more than the highly suspect memory of one witness.
"Scared punk cop"? Wow. What an attitude towards the police.
Athos
Oct 28, 2020, 12:37 PM
@JL. That's for a court to decide, not some scared punk cop with a loaded gun.
And the court has NOT decided yet. Blake's ex-girlfriend has alleged the assault took place.
In terms of Harris being proud of him, that comment was taken out of context. She said she was proud of him as "he worked through his pain" while talking to Blake as he was recovering in the hospital. She said this in response to Blake saying he was proud of her for visiting his family. To construe this as Harris being proud of Blake for his past activities is simply another example of slanting the facts to support an agenda. It is far more revealing of the commentor than it is of Harris.
A scared cop with a loaded gun is an apt description of the cop firing seven bullets into Blake's back at point-blank range in front of his young children. I can think of harsher terms for the cop's actions.
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 01:03 PM
Blake's ex-girlfriend has alleged the assault took place.Kind of like when Kavanaugh's accuser alleged that someone other than Kavanaugh assaulted her? Funny how that was good enough for you guys back then, but not now. And in the case of Blake's accuser, this is her story. "According to the New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/), the woman, whose name has not been released, told police she was asleep May 3 when Blake entered her room around 6 a.m. and said, “I want my s—.” His victim alleges that he then digitally violated her, sniffed his fingers and told her, “Smells like you’ve been with other men.” And unlike the Kavanaugh incident, she called the police and pressed charges. So yeah, Jacob Blake is really a great guy that we should all be proud of.
Come to think of it, Harris might have said something in support of his accuser. She might have spoken about Blake in those "harsher terms" you reserve only for the police. She certainly had no problems in hammering Kavanaugh for the charges against him, charges for which there was essentially no evidence. Why, we were told of the "me too" movement and how women must be believed, but in this case the alleged assailant is someone she is "proud" of and someone Athos defends. Wonder why there is such a difference? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with politics, could it?
talaniman
Oct 28, 2020, 06:22 PM
You're a tough nut if you think 7 shots in the back are acceptable policing, and loony as hell comparing it to the Kavanaugh situation. That's just screwed up no matter your politics.
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 06:29 PM
loony as hell comparing it to the Kavanaugh situation. How is it not a good comparison? You thought Kav was guilty as you know what with scarcely any evidence, but we're supposed to be "proud" of Blake? Are you serious? Why the double standard?
I've said nothing about the policing being acceptable, so you're just making it up again as you go along.
Wondergirl
Oct 28, 2020, 06:36 PM
but we're supposed to be "proud" of Blake? Are you serious? Why the double standard?
Like Athos said: "In terms of Harris being proud of him, that comment was taken out of context. She said she was proud of him as "he worked through his pain" while talking to Blake as he was recovering in the hospital. She said this in response to Blake saying he was proud of her for visiting his family. To construe this as Harris being proud of Blake for his past activities is simply another example of slanting the facts to support an agenda. It is far more revealing of the commentor than it is of Harris."
talaniman
Oct 28, 2020, 06:50 PM
Kav deserved to be investigated and I suppose the repub sham version was it, but twisting words to smear Harris was pretty outrageous even for you.
"Scared punk cop"? Wow. What an attitude towards the police.
How should I have interpreted that except to think you see 7 shots in the back are acceptable?
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 07:12 PM
Kav deserved to be investigated and I suppose the repub sham version was it, but twisting words to smear Harris was pretty outrageous even for you.She spends an hour with an accused sex offender and an anti-semite racist, says she's proud of him for whatever reason, and you think that's just fine? Well, your values are sure different from mine. She is supporting a racist, but he's only a racist against Jews, so I guess you don't care about that.
How should I have interpreted that except to think you see 7 shots in the back are acceptable?Interpreted what? I haven't mentioned the cops. My complaint is about Harris falling all over herself to compliment Blake and then never saying a word about the victim in the case. And all of that after her sickening "interrogation" of Kav and her fake support of the "me too" movement. Well, why isn't Blake's victim part of the "me too" movement?
Politics. Stinkin politics. Any excuse will do. "Oh, you twisted her words. Why she was only saying she was proud of his recovery." Well, was she proud of his victim's recovery? Did she go talk to her? We all know the answer to that question. Your support of it is very troubling. There is nothing about Jacob Blake to be proud of.
talaniman
Oct 28, 2020, 08:05 PM
She spends an hour with an accused sex offender and an anti-semite racist, says she's proud of him for whatever reason, and you think that's just fine? Well, your values are sure different from mine. She is supporting a racist, but he's only a racist against Jews, so I guess you don't care about that.
If you can support a lying cheating racist, then why can't I?
Interpreted what? I haven't mentioned the cops. My complaint is about Harris falling all over herself to compliment Blake and then never saying a word about the victim in the case. And all of that after her sickening "interrogation" of Kav and her fake support of the "me too" movement. Well, why isn't Blake's victim part of the "me too" movement?
Okay fine, I'll mention the scared punk cop, and the racist dufus who supports those punk a$$ cops who kill people that you support.
Politics. Stinkin politics. Any excuse will do. "Oh, you twisted her words. Why she was only saying she was proud of his recovery." Well, was she proud of his victim's recovery? Did she go talk to her? We all know the answer to that question. Your support of it is very troubling. There is nothing about Jacob Blake to be proud of.,
What about all those sick and dead victims of covid? How many of those has he consoled? Is that stinking politics too?
jlisenbe
Oct 28, 2020, 09:58 PM
If you can support a lying cheating racist, then why can't I?Finally. A moment of honesty. You admit it!
and the racist dufus who supports those punk a$$ cops who kill people that you support.If there is any justice in this world, you will need one of those "punk a$$ cops" some day, and they will not be available. On that day, you will learn a few things.
What about all those sick and dead victims of covid? How many of those has he consoled? Is that stinking politics too?Deflect, deflect, deflect. It's what you do when you cannot defend your Harris/Biden ticket.
tomder55
Oct 29, 2020, 05:39 AM
@Tom. Obviously defeating the southern armies didn't stop the war or the reasons for it. The subsequent laws and amendments didn't either. The civil war continues.
What certainly did not end it was the radical Republicans idea that punishing the losers was a good idea. They should've listened to Lincoln .
"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 06:09 AM
The civil war continues.That's like saying WW2 continues since there are still some nazis floating around out there. The Civil War is over.
On the positive side, despite the mishandling of the Covid situation by dem govs, the economy grew at an annual rate of 33% last quarter. Be interesting to see how long it takes for the libs on this site to come out and give Trump a big pat on the back.
Also on the positive side, KH said something I agree with. "We cannot live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered." I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?
talaniman
Oct 29, 2020, 11:06 AM
That's like saying WW2 continues since there are still some nazis floating around out there. The Civil War is over.
Maybe for some, but not for others JL.
On the positive side, despite the mishandling of the Covid situation by dem govs, the economy grew at an annual rate of 33% last quarter. Be interesting to see how long it takes for the libs on this site to come out and give Trump a big pat on the back.
Boot this incompetent boob out of here and you too for ignoring the rise of sickness and death for a pat on the back.
Also on the positive side, KH said something I agree with. "We cannot live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered." I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?
Why can't you just take it she means ALL the babies...born and unborn. That is if you care about ALL of them.
Wondergirl
Oct 29, 2020, 11:22 AM
I wonder if someone asked her if she was referring to the 900,000 unborn babies a year being "slaughtered" in abortion facilities?
Solution is zipped-up pants.
talaniman
Oct 29, 2020, 11:44 AM
You can find Harris's position here if that clarifies it for you which I doubt.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-abortion-until-birth/
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 12:07 PM
Why can't you just take it she means ALL the babies...born and unborn.Because she is as pro-abortion as anyone on the planet. She plainly does not care about the unborn.
As for your Snopes link, did you read this? "U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif, has maintained that the timing of carrying out an abortion should be left up to a woman. Harris was a co-sponsor of the 2019 Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA), which prohibits state laws banning post-viability abortions that do not make exceptions if a woman’s health and life are at risk."
Or this? "This issue was presented to Harris back in February 2019, when conservative news outlet The Daily Caller (https://archive.li/vI5gC#selection-837.88-837.148) asked various Democratic senators “if there was a point at which [abortion] would be considered immoral.” Harris did not offer a direct answer, instead saying: “I think it’s up to a woman to make that decision, and I will always stand by that […] I think she needs to make that decision with her doctor, with her priest, with her spouse.”
Well, that's the great advocate for life that you are supporting.
Solution is zipped-up pants.Yep, for males and females both. And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.
Wondergirl
Oct 29, 2020, 12:55 PM
Yep, for males and females both.
If the males keep their pants zipped, problem solved!
And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.
I have no clue what that all means.
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 01:22 PM
If the males keep their pants zipped, problem solved!The reverse is also true.
And since women stand to encounter FAR greater difficulties than the men do, I would especially encourage them to accept that advice.
I have no clue what that all means.The woman gets pregnant which is a far, far more serious issue for her than it is for the man. Pretty sure you already know that. It's like I've said before. I hope you keep your doors locked at night, but I have a far greater interest in keeping MY doors locked at night since I stand to lose far more over MY doors not being locked than I do over yours. I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally.
Wondergirl
Oct 29, 2020, 01:40 PM
The reverse is also true.
The reverse wouldn't be necessary if the male did what I said.
The woman gets pregnant which is a far, far more serious issue for her than it is for the man. Pretty sure you already know that. It's like I've said before. I hope you keep your doors locked at night, but I have a far greater interest in keeping MY doors locked at night since I stand to lose far more over MY doors not being locked than I do over yours. I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally.
Pants zipped; problem solved. Or should we instead go with the required reversible vasectomy?
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 02:10 PM
The reverse wouldn't be necessary if the male did what I said.And the reverse of the reverse wouldn't be necessary if the woman did what I said. Not only that, but the reverse of the reverse of the reverse of the reverse also would not be necessary.
"I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally." Well, there might be one. Hope not, though.
Wondergirl
Oct 29, 2020, 02:32 PM
And the reverse of the reverse wouldn't be necessary if the woman did what I said. Not only that, but the reverse of the reverse of the reverse of the reverse also would not be necessary.
And if I'd said all females should be issued chastity belts to be unlocked only by their husbands, with no proscriptive measures needed for males, you'd have cheered.
"I doubt there is a mentally competent, adult woman anywhere in America who would not understand exactly what that means for her personally." Well, there might be one. Hope not, though.
Locked and loaded here.
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 03:39 PM
And if I'd said all females should be issued chastity belts to be unlocked only by their husbands, with no proscriptive measures needed for males, you'd have cheered.I'd say it was one of the dumbest things I ever heard of. And I'll add that's it bad when you can't find anything I've actually said to complain about, so instead you have to starting making up whoppers. Have you and Tal been talking???
Remember this. I'm the only one here who advocates for post marital sex only. You always seem to fade away when that subject comes up, but maybe you'll step up to the plate now.
Wondergirl
Oct 29, 2020, 03:44 PM
Remember this. I'm the only one here who advocates for post marital sex only. You always seem to fade away when that subject comes up, but maybe you'll step up to the plate now.
That's what I said above.
jlisenbe
Oct 29, 2020, 03:47 PM
No it's not.
talaniman
Oct 29, 2020, 07:19 PM
Abstinence is 100% birth control but defies human nature for the most part and always has. I suggest a Plan B...C, and D! The need to breed is a powerful instinct as well as swabs many other human deficiencies.