Trump predicted a full house for the 19,000 seat arena with 200,000 - 300,000 outside the building as an overflow crowd and where he and Pence would give a speech after the rally.

Reality - official tally inside the arena was 6,200 (Fire Marshall). The expected 2-300,000 outside for overflow was next to zero. The Trump and Pence speeches were canceled.

Trump raged, and blamed the disaster on the media, Obama, and on his own medical people who recommended social distancing and wearing masks. The true cost in increased sickness and death won't be seen for at least two weeks.

According to epidemiologists, the death count due to Trump's delay in acknowledging the pandemic ("It's a hoax") is 72,000+, and that's when the total was still under 100,000.

This morning I watched videos of the rally -- many empty seats all across the upper levels, yawning attendees rarely wearing masks and not practicing social distancing, excerpts from an hour and forty-one minutes of Trump's boasting and fabrications and meanderings.

His return this morning:
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1274585675845828611

Glad I'm not campaign manager, Brad Parscale!

His return this morning:
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1274585675845828611 (https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1274585675845828611)

The picture of a sad, dejected failure.

yup and Biden had no trouble practicing social distancing at his presser this week https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/20/01/29839972-8441857-image-a-28_1592612092812.jpg

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Now post a photo showing the attendees.

The NYT reported:

"There was no soundtrack of carefully selected, inoffensive pop music blasting in the background. No reporters fighting over power outlets and positioning. No rope line for the candidate to walk, shaking hands and snapping selfies. Oh, and hardly any voters.

About 20 handpicked local officials, small-business owners and reporters sat in folding chairs, each placed within a large white circle taped on the floor of a recreation center to maintain — or at least encourage — social distancing. A few attendees whispered to each other as photographers quietly chatted. You could hear the clack of typing echoing across the room. The silence was striking."

No doubt the dufus has the bully pulpit, and Biden doesn't. The dufus is the incumbent now that clearly could stand some new material. The old stuff fell flat.

Now post a photo showing the attendeestrouble with posting most pictures is they double the width of the op

here is another well attended Biden event .



https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-biden-yeadon-darby-pa-visit-20200617.html (https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-biden-yeadon-darby-pa-visit-20200617.html)

trouble with posting most pictures is they double the width of the op

here is another well attended Biden event .

https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-biden-yeadon-darby-pa-visit-20200617.html (https://www.inquirer.com/news/coronavirus-biden-yeadon-darby-pa-visit-20200617.html)
Is that all you've got? Tsk.

At least Biden can walk -- and run! -- and oh, drink out of a glass while holding it with only ONE hand!

the reason attendance was so low at his event was because he heavily promoted it on AOL chat room and My Space .

the reason attendance was so low at his event was because he heavily promoted it on AOL chat room and My Space .
Biden and his staff insisted on very limited attendance. Guess why. And it was a presser, not a rally.

Attendance doesn't seem to matter at this point, as Biden leads the dufus in the polls. I doubt the dufus can afford another rally as poor as the one Saturday.

Biden and his staff insisted on very limited attendance. Guess why. And it was a presser, not a rally.

Presser! Ah, tomder didn't mention that. That is an EXTREMELY important point.

[Edit - 8:10pm - Tomder DID mention Biden's was a presser. My error. That fact still makes a huge difference in attendance between Trump's rally and Biden's presser]

[Edit #2 - 8:15pm - Thank you, WG. Our posts are crossing in cyberland. In any case, you made another (?) excellent point in tomder's use of the term "event" - misleading.]

Presser! Ah, tomder didn't mention that. That is an EXTREMELY important point.
He did mention it in post #4, and I elaborated in post #5.

In post #9, tomder played with words to mislead us (??? No, not tomder!!!) and called it an "event".

What's the attendance in Biden's basement?

What's the attendance in Biden's basement?
The presser was held at a recreation center in the Philadelphia suburbs. Soon, probably this week, Biden and Obama will host a virtual fundraiser. Trump is so old school, so passe.

So popular that people will actually attend his rallies. Biden cannot attract a crowd, but even if he could, it's the part about remembering where he is that causes problems.

So popular that people will actually attend his rallies. Biden cannot attract a crowd, but even if he could, it's the part about remembering where he is that causes problems.
Now we know Trump definitely can't attract one. Or make sense when he talks. Or walk down a ramp. Or hold a small glass of water.

Trump, the phenomenon that didn't last, taken out by a virus

Now we know Trump definitely can't attract one. Or make sense when he talks. Or walk down a ramp. Or hold a small glass of water.You're fishing.

The virus is a good excuse if he gets booted from the WH. The challenge is making a case for keeping him there. He needs more than a feeding red meat to the base I think, or dusting off the oldies for the true believers. He did prove he could drink a glass of water with one hand though, which seems to be the highlight of his rally.

Attendance doesn't seem to matter at this point, as Biden leads the dufus in the polls. I doubt the dufus can afford another rally as poor as the one Saturday.
on that we agree He looked bedraggled and pissed when he exited Marine One Saturday night . Shakeup of his campaign is almost guaranteed .

WG and Athos
pay attention . My post # 9 was in reference to my post #7

WG and Athos
pay attention . My post # 9 was in reference to my post #7
Athos and I were talking about your use of the somewhat misleading word "event" (implying a rally) vs. the correct term "presser."

I have to give you credit for your droll sense of humor. Your post #9 is really laugh-out-loud funny!

not to quibble ; #4 I identified as a presser #7 I called and event and so it was . It was a meet and greet with quid pro Joe and he sold the place out with a dozen people (maybe )

not to quibble ; #4 I identified as a presser #7 I called and event and so it was . It was a meet and greet with quid pro Joe and he sold the place out with a dozen people (maybe )
Actually, all 20 handpicked local officials, small-business owners, and reporters who had been invited to discuss and brainstorm about how to restore the economy showed up. It was held in Darby, PA.

We may never see a traditional campaign rally from Biden given the virus. Like sports may not happen on any level.

We may never see a traditional campaign rally from Biden given the virus.There's not going to be enough interest.

Trump isn't garnering much interest so far either, except to live up to his reputation as a lying, cheating dufus. I can add incompetent, and clueless to that reputation from his pandemic response and race relations efforts.

There's not going to be enough interest.
Local field offices are being set up, and teams are being organized. Social media -- Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram in particular -- are already set up with information about Joe and his campaign, and to ask questions of and have chats with Joe.

Biden's best strategery is to stay hidden in his basement and let Trump implode

Trump isn't garnering much interest so far either, except to live up to his reputation as a lying, cheating dufus.Or put another way, "Biden isn't garnering too much interest so far either, except to live up to his reputation as a lying, cheating dufus."

Or put another way, "Biden isn't garnering too much interest so far either, except to live up to his reputation as a lying, cheating dufus."
I can't wait to see his virtual rally tomorrow night! Will compare his verbal output to Trump's on Saturday.

I'm sure the prompter will have nice big letters for quid to read .

I'm sure the prompter will have nice big letters for quid to read .
Nope! He speaks extemporaneously, not like a first grader fingerpointing each word and struggling to make out what it is.

extemporaneously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpMAd7uXMSY

Nope! He speaks extemporaneously, not like a first grader fingerpointing each word and struggling to make out what it is.That explains a lot of things.

The point of the exercise is to get rid of the dufus and his sycophants so G-GO J-Joe! Get that lying cheating sucker!

So the lying, cheating sucker needs to go get the lying, cheating sucker? Hmm.

Okay!

Right-winger Bolton has revealed that Trump definitely had a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine - start an investigation against Biden and his son in exchange for military assistance (which had already been lawfully promised to Ukraine. Trump's delay caused a number of deaths among Ukranian troops). The bribery deal was widely known among top WH personnel.

Trump attempted a similar bribe with XI - offering trade concessions for Biden dirt.

Testimony soon from Bolton and Dismissed attorney Berman.

So we have a choice between one candidate who had a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine versus a second candidate who had a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine.

Those so called quid pro quo's are not equal or comparable, no matter how you spin it. Biden wasn't trying to get votes for reelection when his occurred, but guess who was.

Yes, and Trump has just endured two years of ridiculous investigations that showed...no quid pro quo.

remind you, where there is smoke there is fire

At some point someone would need to actually find some fire. So far, hasn't happened.

No just the smouldering ruins

Yeah. Right.

Yes, and Trump has just endured two years of ridiculous investigations that showed...no quid pro quo.

Mueller listed 10 charges of obstruction of justice by Trump, but Trump's Chancellor Barr declared Trump immune from prosecution as long as he is president. Barr then lied about the Mueller report before anyone had a chance to see it.

Trump was impeached with evidence that proved the charges far beyond a reasonable doubt, but the coward Republicans refused to vote for conviction.

For the next 4 months, King Trump and his Cromwell will perform worse than before. The Flynn/Stone fiasco is just a hint of what is to come.

Tomorrow's testimony at noon may be the first salvo in stopping a runaway government bent on tearing up the Constitution.

Trump was impeached with evidence that proved the charges far beyond a reasonable doubt,Always nice to have a good laugh before going to bed.

Always nice to have a good laugh before going to bed.

As always, no rebuttal, just some of the typical smarmy.

He was judged not guilty. How's that for a rebuttal?

No he wasn't judged, it was a lynch mob

The Senate found the evidence to be uncompelling and found him not guilty by vote. I think you are saying that what happened in the House was a lynch mob. If so, then you have hit the nail on the head.

exactly

The Senate found the evidence to be uncompelling and found him not guilty by vote. I think you are saying that what happened in the House was a lynch mob. If so, then you have hit the nail on the head.

Be more accurate to say REPUBS found him not guilty, except for one. Otherwise it was a party line vote. Everybody knew that would happen way before it got to the senate.

Otherwise it was a party line vote. Everybody knew that would happen way before it got to the senate.That was also true in the House where there was not a single repub vote in favor but three dems voted against. Does that bother you as well?

Too predictable to be bothersome. Works that way sometimes that's why elections matter and should be a fair exercise of the right to vote.

He was judged not guilty. How's that for a rebuttal?

As a rebuttal - lame. That's simply a recognition of the cowardice of Republicans in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Yeah. Not guilty might mean nothing in your world, but I think, as do most people, that not guilty is pretty good. You just hate Trump and are aggravated that the liberal dems could not take him down.

Yeah. Not guilty might mean nothing in your world,

In this case, it unmistakenly means that the Republican Senators are cowards and put their titles ahead of their country. None of that is news - except maybe to you and your cohorts.

Interesting how you can't rebut the impeachment facts.

Yeah. Not guilty might mean nothing in your world, but I think, as do most people, that not guilty is pretty good. You just hate Trump and are aggravated that the liberal dems could not take him down.

History won't erase the dufus in the impeachment circle, and he and those other guys can't change that. That part of history is over for now as the next election looms large. Another chance to give him the boot, or hurt him some more. Might even be able to take the senate from Slick Mitch, never know, so enjoy the victory, till the next fight, which has already started because dems sure ain't quitting on hitting the dufus some more.

What were supposed to just stop our opposition? Repubs never did stop theirs, and you personally have never stopped hating and attacking Obama, Hillary, Bill, liberals, or abortions.

If you can hate, why can't we?

In this case, it unmistakenly means that the Republican Senators are cowards and put their titles ahead of their country. None of that is news - except maybe to you and your cohorts.

Interesting how you can't rebut the impeachment facts.So they don't agree with and that makes them cowards? Interesting. Of course it's also quite probable that you are simply wrong.


If you can hate, why can't we?If you find me hating, then let me know.

So they don't agree with and that makes them cowards? Interesting. Of course it's also quite probable that you are simply wrong.

Just as probable and maybe a lot more so that you are wrong. Time will certainly tell.


If you find me hating, then let me know.

You can take that to the bank.

Liberal dems think the Senate repubs were cowards. Conservatives think the House dems were cowards. Politics. I imagine that both groups generally thought they were doing what was right.

The conflicts between libs and conservatives is pretty old news just as the politics they play, especially in an election season which lately seems like an everyday thing. LOL, starting to think that's the only season we seem to have.

starting to think that's the only season we seem to have.It sure does seem that way.

Liberal dems think the Senate repubs were cowards. Conservatives think the House dems were cowards. Politics. I imagine that both groups generally thought they were doing what was right.

There is usually some truth to that - at least on a marginal basis. But not now - the differences are simply those between right and wrong. Even the Republicans know they're in the wrong and are trying to save their livelihood by associating with the orange dufus. The confessions and the weeping will be overwhelming come November.

I.e. You think you are right and so everyone else has to be wrong on what is plainly a matter of opinion.

You think you are right and so everyone else has to be wrong on what is plainly a matter of opinion.


No, it's plainly a matter of fact, not opinion. Even most Republicans know that. As for you, time for you to get your head out of you-know-where.

Even most Republicans know that.Wow. Have extensive your knowledge base is. You are indeed a legend in you own mind.


As for you, time for you to get your head out of you-know-where.The usual reply of the little man who has no answers. In the immortal words of John Wayne, "A big mouth don't make a big man."

Wow. Have extensive your knowledge base is. You are indeed a legend in you own mind.

Did you mean "how", not "have"? I'm only replying to this one for comic relief.

"A legend in your own mind". Back to 4th grade now?


The usual reply of the little man who has no answers.

Another repeat. Is that the best you can do?


In the immortal words of John Wayne, "A big mouth don't make a big man."

Ah, a fan of the great WW2 avoider. I should have known he'd be one of your heroes.

"A legend in your own mind". Back to 4th grade now?I try to keep it simple for your benefit.


Another repeat. Is that the best you can do?It fits so well that it's worth repeating over and over. You are the littlest man on this board.


Ah, a fan of the great WW2 avoider. I should have known he'd be one of your heroes.He sure pegged you.

You are the littlest man on this board.

Keep repeating. That hole you're in keeps getting deeper.


He sure pegged you.

Still nothing post-worthy to post? Same old hackneyed material?

Nothing to reply to. It's really hard to discuss anything with you. You invent past occurrences. You claim to know what everyone believes. You lie with no regrets. You make statements and then get mad when they are not accepted. It's just pointless. I'll just let you prattle on.

Nothing to reply to. It's really hard to discuss anything with you. You invent past occurrences. You claim to know what everyone believes. You lie with no regrets. You make statements and then get mad when they are not accepted. It's just pointless. I'll just let you prattle on.

8 lies in a row - one per sentence. A new record for you!

Find one. And can't you come up with anything original EVER!

Can't you find one? What seems to be the problem?

I try to keep it simple for your benefit.
Hope none of your former students emulate your grammar: Wow. Have extensive your knowledge base is. You are indeed a legend in you own mind.

The House Dems will pass a comprehensive police reform bill while Senate dems reject the watered down waste of good time and paper reform bill crafted by Mitch and the BooBoo boys.

The House Dems will pass a comprehensive police reform bill while Senate dems reject the watered down waste of good time and paper reform bill crafted by Mitch and the BooBoo boys.

I saw one of your senators explain it, basically achieving the same ends with different provisions. You guys need to learn to talk to each other

Not the same ends Clete. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-17/gop-unveils-its-police-reform-bill-as-democrats-move-their-legislation-through-committee

Hope none of your former students emulate your grammar: Wow. Have extensive your knowledge base is. You are indeed a legend in you own mind.I accept your correction. It's nice to see you finally be correct about something.


You guys need to learn to talk to each otherClete, you have hit the nail on the head.

In light of the virus running wild in Texas, the governor is shutting businesses down.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-gov-greg-abbott-closes-bars-dials-back-restaurants-to-half-capacity-shuts-river-rafting/ar-BB160uKT?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds

yep, stay at home

Seems that people sucking down drinks in crowded bars is not the smartest way to control the spread. 2nd only to crowded "peaceful " protests as a cause.

I do neither, but I understand OUTRAGE surrounding police brutality. I also understand very well sucking down drinks in a crowded bar. Too old for either now. One can be controlled rather easily, the other is a RIGHT. I'll let you figure that out since both have consequences in today's situation.

if you all stay home there will be no reason for police brutality and eventually no reason for police

if you all stay home there will be no reason for police brutality and eventually no reason for police

Send money, lots of it, Netflix and popcorn ain't cheap. Neither is toilet paper.

Send money, lots of it, Netflix and popcorn ain't cheap. Neither is toilet paper.

I don't know toilet paper is very cheap, $11 for 36 rolls here or do you get yours free at the mall? man you must be cheap, I've given away netflix

Frugal is the right term Clete, and I have added Amazon and BBQ chips. Not really worried about my weight though, but I will take all the 2 ply mega rolls of people paper you can send. Expecting a second wave after we get through the first one.

Whatever the dufus says, we do the opposite.

Frugal is the right term Clete, and I have added Amazon and BBQ chips. Not really worried about my weight though, but I will take all the 2 ply mega rolls of people paper you can send. Expecting a second wave after we get through the first one.

Whatever the dufus says, we do the opposite.

Purchase of toilet paper is again restricted here after the idiot brigade once again raided supermarket shelves. Stay home is the only answer

You can't stay home with no toilet paper Clete!!!

I've got mine

Got mine too but you never know when you'll need more.

Hiked this morning . Now I have a new hypothesis . Everyone is talking about the southern states disregard for caution . But here in NY we were the epicenter for a time .We went into lock down and established protocols that are the model for the world allegedly .(discounting the horrible blunder by il duce of making sure the most vulnerable and highest risk population got exposed to the virus big time).

But with all that we have experienced ,what I saw on the trail shocked me . Most of the hikers I came across were NOT wearing masks . How could this be ? We are in NY ,the bluest of the blue states where wearing masks has become a religious practice .

So my hypothesis is this . Either we have achieved herd immunity here . Or there will be a second wave here . Let's face it . There have been scores of people on the streets "peacefully "protesting over the last few weeks ..marching ...carrying Soros produced banners ... burning buildings , rioting ,fighting cops ,looting and tearing down statues . If indeed social distancing prevents the spread then it stands to reason that demonstrating in close proximity would create a spread . But I accept the possibility that everyone who could be wacked has been wacked here . If that is the case then maybe the Swedes had it right all along.

Hopefully being outdoors helps, as everything we have done hasn't stopped or controlled this virus, and hard to say anything but total shutdown will slow it. At this point though masks, distancing, and handwashing is all we got. I'm not sold on the herd immunity Tom, nor the Sweden comparison working here at this time. They still face challenges, but here we are watching NY closely for any indication of a second wave as everybody else is trying to restore the economy amidst a rather strong first wave.

At least people here are wearing masks again.

Got mine too but you never know when you'll need more.
oh I know, I've stopped taking metformin