Here is when he called daughters of the Confederacy who fly the confederate flag "fine people " .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGOgBULMs6Y

Democrats evidently have forgiven him for calling those confederate defenders 'fine people .' You will hear them condemn Trump a thousand times over even though he never really said it .

When speaking of the crime bill he co-sponsored with Strom Thurman , he said " we do everything except hang people for jaywalking ."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVgNB1rr6Mg

Yes he did say this "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

Yes he did say this about the emperor . (Obama's ) "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean."

He boasted of working with “I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland,” Biden said as he briefly imitated the late senator’s southern drawl. “He never called me boy. He always called me son.” Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia were firmly opposed to desegregation efforts. Sen Cory Booker said this about Biden's comment:“Vice President Biden’s relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone. He went on and said “I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, that he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together,” And frankly, I’m disappointed that he hasn’t issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans. He should.”

”Kamala Harris said :"If those men had their way, I wouldn't' be in the United States Senate and on this elevator right now."

While campaigning in Iowa this year he said "“Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” and most recently when speaking to Charlamagne tha God he said if Charlamagne had trouble deciding to vote for Biden or Trump that "he aint Black "

During a debate in September he was asked ;“What responsibility do you think that Americans need to take to repair the legacy of slavery in our country?” He went on a rambling incoherent rant where he tried to defend his record He did not even try to reconcile his current positions with his past(mixed in with some thoughts about Venezuela ) . Here it is for what it is worth : Well, they have to deal with the — look, there’s institutional segregation in this country. From the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Redlining banks, making sure we are in a position where — look, you talk about education. I propose is we take the very poor schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the $60,000 level.Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home, we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are — I’m married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. Make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3, 4 and 5-year-olds go to school. Not day care, school.
Social workers help parents deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t know what to play the radio, make sure the television — excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the — make sure that kids hear words, a kid coming from a very poor school — a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time we get there.
MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Biden: No, I’m going to go like the rest of them do, twice over. Because here’s the deal. The deal is that we’ve got this a little backwards. By the way, in Venezuela, we should be allowing people to come here from Venezuela. I know Maduro. I’ve confronted Maduro. You talk about the need to do something in Latin America. I’m the guy that came up with $740 million, to see to it those three countries, in fact, changed their system to people don’t have to chance to leave. You’re acting like we just discovered this yesterday. Thank you very much.

And frankly, I’m disappointed that he hasn’t issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans. He should.We are living in the age of apologies. Say something that the speech police object to, and you will be hounded until you grovel sufficiently and apologize as though you had murdered someone.

When Biden meets Trump in a debate, it's going to be interesting. One man says whatever he thinks, and the other one desperately tries to say something that sounds even halfway thought out. It will be interesting for whoever watches it. I'm not sure I can stand it. I would advise Trump to stay plain vanilla and let America see how far down Biden has gone.

You must respect the old, it is so hard to get ajob at his age

One man says whatever he thinks, and the other one desperately tries to say something that sounds even halfway thought out.
Yup, that Trump guy. Reads his speeches like he's in third grade. "Monotone is my friend!" Repeats phrases over and over in the same speech until his listeners cheer. Demosthenes he is not!

You must respect the old, it is so hard to get ajob at his ageThat one made me laugh!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49311

we are not a tribe with elders representing us . Trump is showing signs of age too .

But this is not about that . What I want to see is at least one honest broker like Tim Russert was .He would show a video of a pol saying one thing and then go to another video where the pol said something completely different and challenge them about the contradiction.

Biden's positions on issues like race and crime are 180 degree different than what they were when he was a Senator . He has consistently put his finger into the wind to see where he should stand and what to say . He does it too often and when he is asked he shrugs it off as having a road to Damascus evolution ......and the compliant press accepts that and doesn't press him on it .

I would be curious to see if he could come up with coherent explanations .
It's every major issue you can find a Biden position and a completely different one now .

Abortion . He claimed to be a middle of the road dude . He said Roe went too far and supported the Hyde Amendment which prevented Federal funds for abortion . Now he's flipped on Hyde and condemns efforts to reverse Roe

Iraq ;he supported the war .Then he said he regretted his vote and then made an insane proposal to partition the country into separate religious tribes .

Immigration ; He supported the border wall during the Bush years and said immigrants should be required to learn English ;and opposed amnesty . He now favors amnesty . It is unclear where he stands on a border wall ;but I guess he opposed it now .

Women . His creepy womanizing is notorious . He trashed Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings . His treatment of women has singlehandedly destroyed the Metoo movement . Hiding in his basement makes it hard for us to witness his habitual touching kissing and sniffing of women and girls alike .

Race ;he opposed desegregation and aligned himself with all the Dixicrats . As I mentioned in the op .His racist tendencies are still manifest to this day . It is the one thing he has not changed . He shows a disgusting condescending attitude while he in turn accuses every one of his opponents as being racists . 2012 he told a Black audience that Mitt Romney would put them back in chains .

Guns .He voted for the “Firearms Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA),” in 1986 which the gun lobby touts as the bill that saved 2nd amendment rights .He is now a hard line anti-gun advocate while trying to split the baby claiming he is not anti-gun. Of course his idea of having a gun for self defense amounts to advising people to have a shot gun ;no doubt loaded with rock salt shells .

Biden was one of the leaders of the War on Drugs Trump is still reversing Bidens draconian sentencing Federal laws he championed .

Gay Marriage . He voted for the Defense of Marriage act . Now he favors gay marriage .

Energy . He was in favor of clean coal Now he as All Out Crazy as an energy advisor promoting the Green New Deal .

Entitlements . He was in favor of freezes of benefit levels and means testing to help balance the budget. Now like everyone else in the swamp ,he could care less about a balanced budget.

Trump is showing signs of age too .
TRUMP: "When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases."

It's a good thing we are the greatest nation in the world...for whatever that's worth, and it is silly season, the longest I've ever seen, but 3 years of dufus jokes, maybe a change is well overdo. I've been ready to roll the dice for a while cause the local dog catcher ain't worth crap either.

TRUMP: "When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases. I was speaking of his physical health. I learned in 2016 to pay attention to what he does ;and not necessarily to what he says .

I was speaking of his physical health. I learned in 2016 to pay attention to what he does ;and not necessarily to what he says .
What he says and how he says it tell us a lot about his mental health.

What he says and how he says it tell us a lot about his mental health.

no he could be sharp as a tack and not express himself like a Harvard grad . One has nothing to do with the other .

I think what Trump said there was rather obvious . There is no doubt that the more testing we are doing the more cases are going to be discovered . Isn't that why everyone was emphasizing testing in the first place ?

So maybe you mock him because he doesn't speak in an Ivy League high brow manner . But most of the country knows exactly what he means .

Biden sharp as a tack what reality do you live in? There should be an age limit on politicians

Biden shark as a tack what reality do you live in? There should be an age limit on politicians as usual the discussion has drifted to Trump because the comments I made about Biden are indisputable .

as usual the discussion has drifted to Trump because the comments I made about Biden are indisputable .Precisely correct. And I don't think you mentioned the sexual assault allegation.

Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums.

Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums.

Trump will win because he has no opponent

Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums. Thank you . And yes ;only Trump can beat Trump given the opponent . It is scary that the Dems think he is their best chance.

There is no perfect candidate but after 3 years of antics, the dufus has loads of sound bites to make some good ads, and just conditions are right currently to expose his incompetence. In additions Tom, conservative repubs have began running their own ads against the dufus and if Obama can help Joe at all the dufus is in real trouble.

2020 is all about the bases turning out, especially in those key places the dufus barely won, and dems have a great shot at not only holding the house, but eroding the senate, so defanging the dufus is almost as good as kicking him to the curb.

Don't let this virus stall the economy either as reopening is very different than staying open, and ignoring it wont help. People are not wearing masks as they were before, and that's not a good sign. This crisis may decide the election for us.

to expose his incompetence.The economic numbers from May reveal something, but it's not incompetence.

When Biden gets connected, as he is, with CHOP and the radical elements of the left, it's going to be trouble for him. His radical support of the trans-gender movement, including his support of allowing boys who think they are girls to compete with the real girls in athletics and shower/dress in the girls' locker rooms will be hard to justify. The big question is, can Trump discipline himself enough to take advantage of it?

Repubs will stick with their rhetoric, dems stick with theirs, and we vote to decide. If repubs can forget the dufus shortcomings and vote for his, then dems can forgive my man Joe his. Some may have to hold their noses and vote for Joe, but I doubt you would object to that would you?

Some may have to hold their noses and vote for Joe, but I doubt you would object to that would you?I'm just glad to hear you admit that it works in both directions. Congratulations! So now you have to decide if you really want to vote for a man who is going to actively work to make sure that boys who think they are girls can shower and change clothes with the kids who really ARE girls and who can compete athletically with them.

Get off it. Those exaggerated side social issues are irrelevant as less than isolated and the rarest if anything issues.

exaggerated side social issues are irrelevantThey are to you. They're not to a lot of people. If I have a daughter being faced with that, I'd be angry.

boys who think they are girls
Have you done any honest research into transgender, like what happened to the developing babies when pregnant women were given DES to prevent a miscarriage? Or have you ever researched pregnancy in general to find out about all the hormones that wash over that fetus and affect its development? Didn't think you had.... Plus, please take time to have some honest conversations with trans women to hear their stories.

Actually, I have done what you described. Sad that you are so quick to be negative about other people who don't happen to agree with you. "Didn't think you had." I was a science major. I'll talk science with you anytime you want to.

Have you ever researched XX chromosomes? Have you ever noticed that people are born with one of two distinct sexual makeups?

Now do I have sympathy for trans-gender people? I most certainly do, just like I have sympathy for anyone with a mental disorder. Do I think boys should be able to shower with girls, or compete unfairly with them in athletics? Absolutely not.

conservative repubs have began running their own ads against the dufusthere have been NeverTrumpers since 2016 . Nothing new there . Many conservatives have a comfort zone in the swamp.



2020 is all about the bases turning out, especially in those key places the dufus barely won, I think it is more than the base . The incumbent has to win the undecideds . On that front Trump hurts himself with his messaging . He is the incumbent so he should stop silly twitter wars and speak directly to the people .

The election will not be decided on the social issues . Opinions can't be changed on those . The issues will be the economy ;the virus ;and LAW AND ORDER . Look for Trump to appeal to the undecided with that message . Look for Trump's appeal to the "silent majority " who are appalled at the violence in the streets . They don't like seeing whole sections of cities burned ,looted or occupied and the Democrats in charge of these towns let this happen . The silent majority does not like seeing 700 cops hurt during 'peaceful protests' . Many of these folks are afraid to speak out against the accusation that they or their country is inherently racist because the woke crowd has the ability to silence them with virtue shaming that can lead to real consequences for exercising their freedom of expression. If the CEO of CrossFit, a Libertarian who refused to embrace Black Lives Matter, but who has no history of racism, was forced to resign from the firm he founded....if editors of prominent newspapers and magazines have been forced to step down for the sin of bucking progressive dogma, or even publishing a contrary opinion then what chance does a MAGA hat wearing person in NYC have ? Would you wear one here ? How many of them secretly support Trump but are afraid to say so ?

The majority does not want the police defunded . The vast majority think that peaceful protest is appropriate when an unarmed man is murdered by a cop ;but the vast majority do not believe these protests have been peaceful and that the Democrats in some cases like Chris Cuomo think that the violent protests are appropriate .

This silent majority who are called inherently racist twice helped elect the emperor .They know in their hearts they and their country are not racist . But that appears to be the Dem message . For Biden to win ;the economy must not recover ;there has to be a second wave of the virus ,and the silent majority have to be convinced that they are the problem . Good luck with that

That's a good post, Tom. It is the undeclared voters that decide elections. If Trump would learn to keep his big mouth shut, he would be in a better position.

I think you're right that the defund the police idea is going to be important. Most people understand that's a terrible idea. Biden will have to walk a tightrope on that one. Part of me hopes that Seattle will defund their police and redirect the money elsewhere. A few months of that, and it will become obvious that it's a loser.

Judging from the results of May, the economy is going to be much better, but it's still early.

If Trump would learn to keep his big mouth shut
More Trump shaming....


Judging from the results of May, the economy is going to be much better, but it's still early.
Covid-19 is surging again, thanks to the people who are in too big of a hurry to rip off their masks and gather in close proximity to each other.

Racism is and has always been, but a tool of the elite to separate and divide the lower classes. It works well and the victims vilified, ignored, and opposed to keep positive change through unity and self interest from happening.

There's peaceful protest and there are criminals and loons. Hard to tell the difference because of fear, so we have chaos, an impediment to progress. Defunding the cops is lousy PR, therefore counter productive to making needed changes and defining the need for more services, so chaos is understandable. I thought by now the meaning would be clarified, but obviously more is needed.

Racism is and has always been, but a tool of the elite to separate and divide the lower classes. It works well and the victims vilified, ignored, and opposed to keep positive change through unity and self interest from happening.I'll have to think about that one. How do the elite encourage racism?

Let's start at the founding documents, all men created equal, while preserving the right of some to treat others as slaves and dominate the rest.

the works of men are imperfect but some don't recognise it

Let's start at the founding documents, all men created equal, while preserving the right of some to treat others as slaves and dominate the rest.True enough. But the question was more of how do the elite encourage racism now?

The very same way the founding fathers did.

This is not the case now. "preserving the right of some to treat others as slaves and dominate the rest." So again, how are the elite, including, I suppose, the Hollywood and liberal elites, encouraging racism now?

the works of men are imperfect but some don't recognise it that wasn't really the case . It is real easy to put 21st century values on men of the 18th century . The framers wrestled with slavery .Some were comfortable with the institution ;others were ahead of their time and were firmly abolitionists . Some of the most prominent ones were torn . Jefferson who owned slaves called it a “hideous blot” on America.Washington, who owned hundreds of slaves, denounced it as “repugnant.” James Mason, a Virginia slave owner, condemned it as “evil.”They walked a tight rope . As we now know it,it would take a war that killed over 600,000 Americans to settle the issue .

But their goal in the mid 1780s was to forge a nation from states that were really established from diverse people whose loyalties were originally to their colony and later to their state in a very loose confederation .

The issue of slavery being unsolvable at the time ;they did what they could do . They punted the issue . Congress would have the power to ban the slave trade, but not until 1800. The convention voted to extend the date to 1808.Let the next generation solve it . Had they known it would tear the country apart ,they probably would've handled it differently . But more likely ,the nation would've never happened .
They also compromised to weaken the power of the South (at the time the South had larger populations especially when considering the slave population . In a representative government the Southern states would dominate . So they came up with the 3/5th compromise which said that for purposes of representation the slaves would only be counted as 3/5th instead of 1 . The intention was not the say a slave was less than a white person . It was specifically meant to dilute the representation the southern states would have on the Federal government. As it was ,of the 1st 7 Presidents ,4 were from Virginia ,and the other 2 (the Adams ) had very controversial victories (Jackson from Tennessee also had southern roots being from the Carolinas ) . They also created the bicameral legislature so that in the Senate all states would have the same number of representatives . The early Senate was critical in creating the compromises that kept the nation united into the middle 1800s . The compromises the framers agreed to,were designed to tolerate slavery where it currently existed, not to endorse or advance the institution.The compromises the Senate later made were to contain the spread of slavery into the new territories . Eventually the differences became irreconcilable (big hat tip to SCOTUS for blowing up that system and accelerating us into violent civil war )

If there had been no compromise on slavery, there would have been no united nation. The Brits would have simply taken us apart one state or alliance at a time, and that would have been it. The history of our country has been one of continually rectifying past sins. If you can find the perfect country, I'd like to hear about it.

If you can find the perfect country, I'd like to hear about it.
You're so right! There's never been a perfect country anyway, so the sin of slavery (not ALL men are created equal...) committed by the US is easily forgivable. Shucks! Wish I'd realized that before now!

Tell you what. Go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.

Tell you what. Go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.
Nope. I was a suburban-Chicago (multicultural suburbs, not wealthy white ones) librarian for almost thirty years, and I've been a patient in healthcare rehabs staffed by a mix of races. Those experiences told me everything I needed to know about racism.

Then I'm happy for you.

Tell you what. Go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.

Tell YOU what. Live in your own town as a black man and let us know how happy you are.

Tell YOU what. Live as Oprah, or MJ, or Jim Brown, or Kareem, or Magic, or B Ob, or Robert Johnson, or Ben Carson, or Steve Harvey, or any one of many black Americans who worked hard and lifted themselves out of a low start, and let us know how happy you are.

OR go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.

I would not deny that life as a white person is generally easier than life as a black person. Where we disagree is the cause for that.

Tell YOU what. Live as Oprah, or MJ, or Jim Brown, or Kareem, or Magic, or B Ob, or Robert Johnson, or Ben Carson, or Steve Harvey, or any one of many black Americans who worked hard and lifted themselves out of a low start, and let us know how happy you are.

Rather small group and many are activists so listen to them if you won't listen to ordinary folks.


OR go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.

We are all immigrants except the slaves brought here to do the work.


I would not deny that life as a white person is generally easier than life as a black person. Where we disagree is the cause for that.

OKAY!

Rather small groupOnly if you consider hundreds of thousands to be a small group.

Tell YOU what. Live as Oprah, or MJ, or Jim Brown, or Kareem, or Magic, or B Ob, or Robert Johnson, or Ben Carson, or Steve Harvey, or any one of many black Americans who worked hard and lifted themselves out of a low start, and let us know how happy you are.

OR go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.

I knew it wouldn't take long for this piece of racism to emerge. American blacks have it so much better than black or poor people in other countries. That has been a racist meme to support slavery/Jim Crow/systemic discrimination since the beginning centuries ago.

Plus they got Jesus instead of all those pagan voodoo gods. Jesus weeps when such blatant evil is used in his name.

Same ole tired approach. "You don't agree with amazing and glorious me, so you must surely be a racist." The choice of people afraid to engage ideas.

Same ole tired approach. "You don't agree with amazing and glorious me, so you must surely be a racist." The choice of people afraid to engage ideas.

Well noted that you rarely engage in the ideas, you attack the messenger. Another one of your "tells" that say so much about you when you won't or can't reply intelligently.

Further noted that the two ideas I presented were dark ones originating from your side of the discussion.

Are you afraid to engage?

With you??? Hardly. I do hope you stop lying. I never said this or anything like it. "American blacks have it so much better than black or poor people in other countries." Are you going to keep lying, or can you be truthful?

Only if you consider hundreds of thousands to be a small group.

Compared to the millions yes a small elite group that has come out in a big way to speak up against the racists policies and practices that they have faced and overcome. Will you listen to them? Except for Carson, a noted surgeon reduced to making housing policy for poor people.

Nobody ever asks him about medical stuff. Wonder why?

With you??? Hardly.

Sure looks like you won't engage. Otherwise, you'd be doing it. You can't hide behind your insults forever, Ju.


I do hope you stop lying. I never said this or anything like it. "American blacks have it so much better than black or poor people in other countries."

That is exactly what you implied. People like you search for the shallow BS that ignores the deeper horrors of a societal tragedy that you minimize - unless of course you're called on it. Then you quickly jump on the bandwagon of truth so you're not exposed. It's not hard to see.

Your Bible reading contains something similar. You see only the immediate surface meaning without considering the wider context or the deeper meaning.


Are you going to keep lying, or can you be truthful?

I'll continue to point out your errors as long as you keep posting them.

Fine with me. Your lying gets tiresome anyway. It's like trying to discuss something with a four year old. You just can't get over being caught lying about Aquinas. As they used to say, "It's stuck in your throat." It eats at you.


That is exactly what you implied.Except that it's not. Incredible. You get caught lying again, and you can't come clean and just admit it, or even simply say you were mistaken. No, no. It's always someone else's fault.

Except for Carson, a noted surgeon reduced to making housing policy for poor people.

Nobody ever asks him about medical stuff. Wonder why?
If Ben Carson thinks he is not being used correctly it is certainly his prerogative to resign . He retired from neurosurgery . No one forced him to do so.
The real problem the left has with Ben is he strayed off the Democrat plantation. He holds opposing views to their orthodoxy so therefore he is not a real Black man .

In his autobiography 'Gifted Hands he describes how he grew up poor in the liberal bastions of Boston and Detroit . Of course his real life experience living in these liberal utopias gives him hands on experience about the life of the poor Black person living in the hell liberal policies have created . The last thing the poor blacks of the inner city needs is more of the same policy failures the left have dumped on them for over 50 years . When he is criticized for lack of experience I ask as opposed to what ? Maybe we should recruit il duce Cuomo who's policies at HUD caused the 2008 housing crisis and the Great Recession . Yeah we need more of that type of expertise .

The important thing is to have a smart, sane, experienced person in that position. For Dr. Carson, that is yes, yes, and yes. I'd vote for him as pres any time.

Gifted Hands was a great book. Any teacher would like it since it was a teacher who was key in helping get young Carson on track. His mother was an amazing woman. They also made a movie based on the book.

If you haven't read Clarence Thomas' autobiography, it was even better to me. I think the title was, My Grandfather's Son. It was largely about his grandfather who raised him. Very real.

jlisenbe;3854583 Your lying gets tiresome anyway.


You just can't get over being caught lying about Aquinas.


You get caught lying again


No, no. It's always someone else's fault.

You're sounding like a broken record. Nothing of substance to post?

I understand how difficult it is for you to reply to my comments, but I think you should try anyway. It keeps you from coming across as a nitwit with a one-track mind.

As to Aquinas, you are far more obsessed with the saint than I ever was. But, if you insist, keep it up. It's harmless and bothers no one.

Nice spin conservative and way to rally around the brother. Actually Carson's POLICIES and practices are what I'm against. Nothing personal, but the dufus only wants sycophants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/03/ben-carsons-latest-plan-weaken-fair-housing-enforcement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ben-carsons-hud-dials-back-investigations-into-housing-discrimination/2018/12/21/65510cea-f743-11e8-863c-9e2f864d47e7_story.html

There's more of course.

You keep linking to WaPo. You do realize we have to have a subscription to read it, and I'm not sending my money to that rag.


Actually Carson's POLICIES and practices are what I'm against. Nothing personal, but the dufus only wants sycophants.Anything in particular?

Making it easier to segregate low income people by race, which is a form of redlining. Hope you read that link, and especially making it harder to report and remedy housing violations, and a marked decline in investigating those violations when they are reported, as well as discriminatory policies against the homeless for shelters.

Saw most of this on CSpan during a congressional hearing.

Of the organization's total revenue of $4.8 million over the two years, more than $3 million went toward salaries, and $1.7 million went toward other initiatives. Of the $1.7 million, $740,000 was spent on conventions, conferences, and meetings.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-cancer-nonprofit-gave-millions-to-top-executives-and-little-to-cancer-initiatives?fbclid=IwAR3OL1g-Sv4wiDbAZoTgKtuBa_hSgR3zueLP0zhBLkloANZ82A2OJD_d7w k

Well it's certainly true that paying big salaries is how cancer gets cured. But look on the bright side. If he wins, he'll get right into the swing of things in liberal D.C.

Should we look back at the dufus foundation again?

According to Strzok’s notes, it appears that Quid personally raised the idea of going after Flynn using the antiquated and unconstitutional Logan Act . Good ole Joe gave that MSNBC creep Lawrence O Donnell the Sergeant Shultz defense when asked his role in the Flynn take down "I know nuthink"

Flynn is a mercenary, his son is a nut. He wanted to get paid, doesn't matter by whom.

his son is a nut. He wanted to get paid, doesn't matter by whom.Talking about Flynn or Biden??

Flynn is a mercenary, his son is a nut. He wanted to get paid, doesn't matter by whom.

More creative quoting?

Just pointing out that your description could go either way???

Yeah I guess it could describe any kid of the privileged rich connected class, including the dufus kids.

And including Biden kid. Now none of Trump's kids were ever kicked out of the military for drug use or given politically motivated jobs in Ukraine.

You want to go after a candidates kids, go ahead, just look into the dufus kids too! Sound fair to you?

not like we are talking about young innocent children here . Hunter Biden's role in Biden's corruption in Ukraine and China is well documented .

Joe Biden's brother James also benefited from Joe's positions in securing a contract in Iraq to build 100,000 homes . Quid was tasked by the emperor to rebuild Iraq .

Was James Biden's expertise in home construction ? Maybe as much as Hunter Biden's expertise in energy and high finance .

Hillstone Int's President was Kevin Justice, who grew up in Delaware and was a longtime Biden family friend . In his one visit to the White House he did not meet and greet with the emperor . He went right to Quid pro Joe's office. There he met with Michele Smith, a top aide to Quid .Smith,was a fellow Delaware native, serving as Quid's liaison to “global government officials and business executives.”
This AFTER James had with Hunter failed at running a hedge fund .

Oh did I mention that Hillstons was a subsidiary company of Hill Int,owned by a prominent Democrat donor ?

A few weeks later , James Biden was named Exec VP because he knew his way around the corridors of power and had political contacts. His brother was vice president of the United States.

Hillstone was awarded $1.5 billion for the contract in Iraq . James cut is unknown because he does not have to disclose that .

Even with James on board, HillStone was eventually forced to back out of the deal after its inexperience with such a large scale construction became evident.
The failure, though, did not disqualify either HillStone or Hill International from seeking and obtaining other U.S. government contracts. In 2012, around the same time its inexperience was coming to the attention of federal agencies, HillStone secured a $22 million construction contract from the Evita led State Department.

Okay disqualify Joe, and the dufus and every other politician with business ties and foreign deal connections. Whose left...VOTE for me!!!

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.VSrHYtIa_3_yP_3EXgf4yAHaFL?w=268&h=188&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.25&pid=1.7

Then why did you bring it up?

You want to go after a candidates kids, go ahead, just look into the dufus kids too! Sound fair to you?

After conceding this.


Yeah I guess it could describe any kid of the privileged rich connected class, including the dufus kids.

After your edited quote in which I was VERY specific on. Biden's son isn't in the public domain shooting off his mouth but Dufus Jr is so fair game. The point is as stated above, kids of wealth and privilege aren't just a dem thing, they all do it to some degree. You have seen the college admissions scandal, haven't you? Seems privilege starts early on, and extends well into adulthood. Hunter is just one of many if that's how you want to look at it. The fuss kicked up by the right just opens the door for the left to scrutinize the dufus kids.

After conceding this.His kids strike me as being successful business persons. They haven't been kicked out of the military for drug use, and they didn't need their politically powerful father to unethically get a cushy, cozy job in Ukraine for them.

They've been a part of the dufus family business all their lives, like most rich kids. I guess you didn't know Hunter gets his money from working with his buddy a member of the Heinz Ketchup family, which works in many countries including in Ukraine and China. Not surprising you believe the dufus's lies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden


Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burisma_Holdings), a major Ukrainian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) natural gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas) producer, from 2014 to 2019. He has been the subject of debunked right-wing conspiracy theories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) concerning his business dealings in Ukraine.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-3)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-7) President Donald Trump's attempt to pressure the Ukrainian government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal) to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden by withholding foreign aid triggered an impeachment inquiry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump) in September 2019, in which the President was impeached by the House and acquitted by the Senate.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-10)...

...Investor and lobbyistBiden is an investment professional with an interest in early stage investments in technology companies. In 2009, Biden, Devon Archer and Christopher Heinz (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Heinz&action=edit&redlink=1) founded the investment and advisory firm Rosemont Seneca.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-bschrekinger1-19) He also founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-newman1-16) He held the position of counsel in the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boies_Schiller_Flexner_LLP) in 2014.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#cite_note-entous1-12)

Having been through the substance abuse experience on many levels I can admire a guy for putting it behind him, but understand those that cannot.

They've been a part of the dufus family business all their livesSo they've been a part of a successful business. And that's a problem with you?

So they've been a part of a successful business. And that's a problem with you?
Which Trump business has been successful? Trump Steaks? Nope. Trump Wine? Uh-uh. Trump University? Ha ha! Trump Vodka? Gulp! Trump Airlines? Be sure to bring your own parachute! Trump Ice? Shiver me timbers! Trump Mortgage? Hmm, mort is Latin for death.

Stop being ridiculous. Trump has developed business assets of over a billion dollars. Your silly recounting of some of the failures proves nothing other than the fact that business is a risky deal. How many multi-million dollar businesses have you started?

Check these out. https://www.topinspired.com/donald-trump-business-successes/

Stop being ridiculous. Trump has developed business assets of over a billion dollars.
You know darn well he's lost far more than he ever made himself. If only he'd put his money into worthwhile investments....

So how much is Trump really worth? Who says what?
Trump: over $10B
Forbes: $4B
Bloomberg: $2.9B
North Fork Bank (2005): $1.2B
Wall Street Journal: over $1.5B
Deutsche Bank: $788MM
New York Times (2005): $150-$250MM
It’s a bit muddied.

It’s also not entirely clear Trump’s fortune was made by him at all.
1974: Inherited $40MM
$40MM reinvested dividends 1974-2015 S&P 500 Index:
$3B
$200MM (1982 net worth) reinvested dividends 1982-2014 S&P 500 Index: $8B
Depending on how much you think he’s currently worth, Trump might’ve made more money by just riding out the S&P Index.
https://internationalbusinessguide.org/trump-business-career/colon~colontext=20a20guide20to20donald20trumps20bu siness20careergame20discontinued2c20revived20as20t ie-in20to...20more20

Your silly recounting of some of the failures proves nothing other than the fact that business is a risky deal. How many multi-million dollar businesses have you started?
Oooooo, didn't like my response, didja, so let's put WG on the defensive! Petty little man, as usual....

You know darn well he's lost far more than he ever made himself.Uhm...actually, no I don't know that and neither do you.

I thought your response was nonsense. It always interests me how people who have never even started a kool aid stand want to judge those who have developed a multi billion dollar business.

Uhm...actually, no I don't know that and neither do you.
Gee, where are his tax returns? He's so ashamed of them, he won't bring them out into the light of day.

I thought your response was nonsense. It always interests me how people who have never even started a kool aid stand want to judge those who have developed a multi billion dollar business.
You have NO idea about the successful business(es) I started and am still running!

You have NO idea about the successful business(es) I started and am still running!


Don't respond to him he is just looking for a fight

Don't respond to him he is just looking for a fight
I couldn't resist. Mea culpa!

I guess you didn't know Hunter gets his money from working with his buddy a member of the Heinz Ketchup family

That would be Chris Heinz ;JFKerry's son . Heinz dropped business ties with Hunter when Hunter joined Burisma .

Hours after Biden’s board appointment went public on May 13, 2014, Heinz emailed Matt Summers and David Wade, two Kerry's top aides at the State Department.
“Apparently Devon and Hunter both joined the board of Burisma and a press release went out today,” “I cant speak why they decided to, but there was no investment by our firm in their company.”
The email raises questions about why Heinz was in touch with the State Department about Biden’s business dealings. Why would Chris Heinz distance himself from Hunter Biden’s decision to join Burisma’s board in an email to John Kerry’s senior staff at the State Department ? Because he too had concerns about the corrupt deal and wanted to make sure it was clear he was not involved .
BTW as is his M O quid denies any foreknowledge about Hunter's business dealings ;and as is so often the case, he is lying. He has been seen on the golf course with Hunter's other business partner ,the one who did not quit ,Devon Archer . Archer is a former senior advisor to the Kerry campaign .Are we to believe that Quid did not discuss Hunter's business in Ukraine with Archer ?

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/09/640/320/biden.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
What do the 3 then have in common . They were politically connected to the White House at the time the Burisma deal was made .Heinz had the good sense to see the deal was corrupt .

btw their business firm Rosemont Seneca Partners was eyeball deep in the other Biden business scandal in China . For that deal they also partnered with the Thornton Group, which is led by James Bulger (the nephew of mobster James “Whitey” Bulger).

In 2013, Hunter Biden flew to China with Quid on Air Force Two. Within two weeks, Rosemont secured a $1.5 billion private equity deal with the Bank of China (which is owned by the Chinese Communist Party) The Chinese government funded a business that was co-owned by the son of a sitting vice president.

Twelve days after Hunter flew on Air Force Two to Beijing, Rosemont and the Bank of China entered “a first-of-its-kind investment fund” called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR).Hunter owns 10% of Bohai

In December 2014, the Chinese state-backed company Gemini Investments Limited made a $34 million investment into a fund managed by Rosemont.

In August 2014, Gemini Investments bought 75 percent of Rosemont Realty, a Rosemont Seneca sister company. The terms included a $3 billion commitment from the Chinese. The company then became Gemini Rosemont.

As previously noted , April 16, 2014, Archer met with Quid at the White House. Five days later, the VP met Ukrainian officials in Kiev about a United States Agency for International Development program to help the Ukrainian natural gas industry – including the promise of $1 billion in US and International Monetary Fund aid for Ukraine’s economy.

On April 22, 2014, Archer joined the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian natural-gas company.

On May 13, 2014, Hunter Biden’s membership on the board was announced. Neither Hunter Biden nor Archer had any ground or experience in the energy sector.

so it is patently incorrect to assert there was anything related to any of Hunter's dealings that were not directly related to his father's government positions .

You have NO idea about the successful business(es) I started and am still running!Yeah. No idea at all.

Yeah. No idea at all.
And the absolutely LAST person I would ever tell is ...

@ Tom

So what? Is that any worse than the dufus bankruptcies, charity dismantling and banning, or fake university that had to return the money? How did Jared finance his NY white elephant? How did Ivanka get her patents from China? What did Melania do when she found out the dufus was whoring around with playboy bunnies and porn stars. You want to investigate Hunter? Well why not investigate all the kids of the candidates. I posted what I found on Hunter, so why can't conservatives do the same for the dufus kids?

The dufus has a history and record as an incumbent and even conservative repubs are against him and running ads. You hard core dufus defenders appear to be outnumbered so do they also have this TDS that you say is going around in liberal circles?

There were never Trumpers in 2016 me included . I wrote in a candidate from your neck of the woods . There are still things I don't like about Trump. The Dems offer no viable choice.
In fact I am amazed at how the Dems think they have a shot in November given the candidate they are putting up and how radical socialist and anti-law the party has become. Tuesday the tools will protest in front of NYC government buildings with every intention of putting up an occupy tent city . Sandinista Bill and all his comrades believe the protesters are on their side . They are in for a rude awakening. Let the city go through a hot summer of lawlessness as frustrated cops decide that it is in their best interest to NOT enforce the law. The nation will see it and will hold their nose and vote for the only candidate who is vowing to uphold the law.

Nice plan but a bit curious why cops would be frustrated by reforming the actions of bad cops?

oh that is easy . They have been told to not do their jobs. It is no coincidence that lawlessness has spiked in NYC since the 'peaceful' demonstrations and the calls to defund and Sandinista Bill already gutting the most effective unit in the force.

There are still things I don't like about Trump. The Dems offer no viable choice.Tom, you just summed it up very well.

oh that is easy . They have been told to not do their jobs. It is no coincidence that lawlessness has spiked in NYC since the 'peaceful' demonstrations and the calls to defund and Sandinista Bill already gutting the most effective unit in the force.

Sound like you're using the libs to blame for your conservative misery. It's tough everywhere right now.


Tom, you just summed it up very well.

I see you are crossing your fingers and hoping Tom holds his nose and votes for the dufus JL, like you did.

Holding my nose won't work with Biden. The stench of incompetence is just too powerful.

Holding my nose won't work with Biden. The stench of incompetence is just too powerful.

seems to be a common disease contracted by US politicians, I wonder who the super spreader is?

Holding my nose won't work with Biden. The stench of incompetence is just too powerful.

Says the guy who is shoulder deep up the dufus a$$!

Why don't you get over your ignorance and try saying something intelligent, you moron?

Just trying to communicate in a language even you can understand! Nothing personal just an observation of rather obvious long standing. I must point out you have never denied where your head is, nor presented evidence of any kind that my observation isn't true.

I've certainly said it enough.

Just trying to communicate in a language even you can understand! Nothing personal just an observation of rather obvious long standing. I must point out you have never denied where your head is, nor presented evidence of any kind that my observation isn't true.Also known as just acting like an moron. It's always your default position when you have nothing intelligent to say. I don't take it personally, and I don't mean my remarks personally. It just gets old when we're trying to have a reasonable discussion here and you have to come up with something to say that sounds like a third grader's comment.

It's always your default position when you have nothing intelligent to say.

As THIS line above is YOUR default position when you have nothing intelligent to offer which is becoming your standard case.


I don't take it personally, and I don't mean my remarks personally.

Of course not. Calling someone a moron is never personal. It's being friendly! Maybe in your neighborhood where whipping and beating is the norm according to you.


It just gets old when we're trying to have a reasonable discussion here

"Reasonable discussion" doesn't exist in your fevered brain.


You have to come up with something to say that sounds like a third grader's comment.

More friendliness. And a plagiarism, to boot.

Yawn.

Yawn.

Nothing intelligent to say? I see. Love it when you project your own failings onto others.

Nothing of substance to respond to. Yawwwnnnnnnn.

Nothing of substance to respond to. Yawwwnnnnnnn.

It's easy to see how my post maddened you. But going to sleep won't make it go away. Neither will hiding your head up the arse of the dufus. To repeat, you can run but you can't hide. Wake up, little Judas.

What is it with you and Tal? What is this strange fascination you two have with the rear ends of other men and what might be up that rear end? You two are sick human beings. I don't spend my time thinking about the rear ends of other men. Maybe you two can get some help about your sickening obsession. Do you dream about Trump's rear end??? Does it hold some strange attraction to the two of you? Maybe you two can get together some day and compare notes on men's rear ends. As WG would say, sheesh!!

And as to your post "maddened me", does yawning indicate anger in your obsessed with other men's rear ends world?

My fascination is with YOUR head shoulder deep up dufus A$$, and the stench you smell is from that, not anything else. I mean like DUH, dude! How specific must one get for you. If you have also learned your nose under those circumstances then I'm even more fascinated.

Please post a selfie! 8O

Nah. I think you fantasize about it. I mean after all, you talk about it all the time. Be honest. You dream about it don't you? Is it just Trump, or do you have others that you are obsessed with?

I just looked at this thread and I can't believe I have let myself get dragged into this sophomoric garbage. I'll let the two of you think about what is up someone's rear end. Enjoy yourselves. I'm done with it.

I just looked at this thread and I can't believe I have let myself get dragged into this sophomoric garbage. I'll let the two of you think about what is up someone's rear end. Enjoy yourselves. I'm done with it.
I just now pulled you out.

Nah. I think you fantasize about it. I mean after all, you talk about it all the time. Be honest. You dream about it don't you? Is it just Trump, or do you have others that you are obsessed with?

No just you and the dufus, though I suspect you are not alone which is why I asked for a selfie.


I just looked at this thread and I can't believe I have let myself get dragged into this sophomoric garbage. I'll let the two of you think about what is up someone's rear end. Enjoy yourselves. I'm done with it.

I doubt that. You are too comfortable with your head shoulder deep, and we know you don't care who knows it because you are shameless!


I just now pulled you out.

Please post a picture WG! PLEASE?

Please post a picture WG! PLEASE?

This is what I scraped off.

https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=OIP.1eFbASkG6E57aETERDwzCAHaE7&pid=Api&P=0&w=227&h=152

This is what I scraped off.

https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=OIP.1eFbASkG6E57aETERDwzCAHaE7&pid=Api&P=0&w=227&h=152

LOL, when will I learn be careful what I ask for! Hope you wore a mask WG...AND GLOVES...and used a LONG stick!

LOL, when will I learn be careful what I ask for! Hope you wore a mask WG...AND GLOVES...and used a LONG stick!
I've worked as a PT aide in two hospitals, one with a lot of patients over 60. I know how to do this :-D .

This is what I scraped off.

https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=OIP.1eFbASkG6E57aETERDwzCAHaE7&pid=Api&P=0&w=227&h=152

Dear God!

Dear God!
It's all JL's fault! He made me want to post it!

Good job WG! You got him out of the dufus's a$$, but how do you keep him out?

Good grief you guys are sick.

Good grief you guys are sick.
Then let's have an honest discussion for a change.

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound after what you posted?

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound after what you posted?
Like when you derail discussions and shame those responding so they lash back?

Just look at what you posted above and think if anyone with half a brain would consider having an "honest discussion" with someone who posts pictures of crap. It's completely stupid. And, of course, it's someone else's fault you did so. It's always someone else's fault with you. You can never just step up and take some responsibility for what you did or said. That's why I say it's like having a conversation with a four year old. That's what I would expect from them. I used to have first graders with more sense than that.

Just look at what you posted above and think if anyone with half a brain would consider having an "honest discussion" with someone who posts pictures of crap. It's completely stupid. And, of course, it's someone else's fault you did so. It's always someone else's fault with you. You can never just step up and take some responsibility for what you did or said. That's why I say it's like having a conversation with a four year old. That's what I would expect from them. I used to have first graders with more sense than that.
I could have posted this exact same thing to you. Are you willing to start over with us being nice to each other and skip the shaming and other crap? You and I are both intelligent people with lots of interesting life experiences to share on this board.

That's a lie. I've never posted a picture of crap and you know it. What you did above was sick. I love your idea to skip "other crap". Well, you own that one.

Tomorrow. I'm too disgusted to continue this. I'd suggest you review the posts above and decide if that's how you want to do things in your life.

That's a lie. I've never posted a picture of crap and you know it. What you did above was sick. I love your idea to skip "other crap". Well, you own that one.

Tomorrow. I'm too disgusted to continue this. I'd suggest you review the posts above and decide if that's how you want to do things in your life.

Might we suggest you do the same. Please stop dog whistling

You and I are both intelligent people with lots of interesting life experiences to share on this board.

Ah, Wondergirl - and you were doing so well! We've all had a taste of his intelligence and it's made of bitter stuff. He'll need a lifetime to cleanse himself of all those mean-spirited and hateful ideas he's been cursed with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SjrpfCp30k

Pick any dufus video Tom, he's lying in it.

Ah, Wondergirl - and you were doing so well! We've all had a taste of his intelligence and it's made of bitter stuff. He'll need a lifetime to cleanse himself of all those mean-spirited and hateful ideas he's been cursed with.
It's called reverse psychology. It works on two year olds.

It's called reverse psychology. It works on two year olds.So much for your "honest discussion" proposal. Thankfully, by now I have learned better anyway. None of you amigos are interested in that. Posting pics of poop seems to be your current fascination.

So much for your "honest discussion" proposal. Thankfully, by now I have learned better anyway. None of you amigos are interested in that. Posting pics of poop seems to be your current fascination.
That's what I scraped off your head to attempt to save your life and allow you to breathe.

I'll let you guys discuss poop. It holds no fascination with me like it does you. Unfortunate that you were so totally dishonest in calling for honest discussion.

I'll let you guys discuss poop. It holds no fascination with me like it does you. Unfortunate that you were so totally dishonest in calling for honest discussion.
I tried to have honest discussions with you in the past but was constantly put down and shamed, so I jumped on your bandwagon.

Nah. You own the "poop wagon". I have nothing to do with that. You asked for honest discussion in a thoroughly dishonest manner. You really don't want it, so you resort to poop.

But I'm ready any time. You said yesterday you wanted to "pick my brain". I said to fire away. Crickets.

You said you wanted an honest discussion. Well fine. Start one not based on poop.

Nah. You own the "poop wagon". I have nothing to do with that. You asked for honest discussion in a thoroughly dishonest manner. You really don't want it, so you resort to poop.
I pulled you out from inside the dufus's butt!!! And where's my thanks???

Bout what I figured. Sick comments don't pass for honesty. I just wonder if you are really content with your post. You're a 74 year old woman and this is where you have arrived? 74 years for this? "What do you think about abortion?" "Oh! I pulled someone out of a man's butt, and I can post images of crap! Aren't I the cute one?!" Really??? That's it?

Bout what I figured. Sick comments don't pass for honesty. I just wonder if you are really content with your post. You're a 26 year old woman and this is where you have arrived? 26 years for this? "What do you think about abortion?" "Oh! I pulled someone out of a man's butt, and I can post images of crap! Aren't I the cute one?!" Really??? That's it?
Another "constructive" post from you. They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Show me how to post honestly and intelligently, with comments begging for discussion.

Show me how to post honestly and intelligently, with comments begging for discussion.To start with, I wouldn't talk about what is up someone's rear end and post pictures of poop. I would start with a simple, honest question and go from there. "What do you think about so and so?"

To start with, I wouldn't talk about what is up someone's rear end and post pictures of poop. I would start with a simple, honest question and go from there. "What do you think about so and so?"
Go for it!

Why do you dislike abortion? What do you find to be unlikable about it?

Why do you dislike abortion? What do you find to be unlikable about it?
I have already answered this. I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done. I will not tell anyone else to have one or not. It's none of my business. If that person asks for my advice, I will explore and discuss all the options with her. The final decision is hers.

Totally agree WG, that's about where I stand too. I deleted the totally hilarious response I had written after reading your post.

Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.


I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.Why not?

Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.

Why not?

You read my post before I deleted it and wrote the above.

Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together. It really is a sickening obsession.

Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together.

While I'm at the shrink, can you answer the questions I asked?

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?

You want to keep the snark going or respond to WG and my attempt at honest discussion? Makes me no difference.

WG: I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.

Why not?
A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.

It really is a sickening obsession.
Geez louise! They paraphrased/reworded your fascination with 45. Get a grip!

You want to keep the snark goingIf you don't like the snark, then don't start it. It's not my sickening obsession.


A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?

If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?
If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?

Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.

Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.
You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".

If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?
No he's not covid safe

No he's not covid safe
Biden is. Am guessing JL isn't.

You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.

They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.
You change the subject all the time!!! And I have absolutely no idea what I would do if I were under the pressures you mentioned. I am NOT fearful and evasive. I've always made it a point NOT to be in a bad place in my life.

They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.

No I think it's the personal attacks that makes people wary, and then the way you turn the blame on them that is the real turn off. Case in point YOU changed the subject to your peeve all the time and blast anyone who disagrees with your position, yet blame the poster?

You seem obsessed to be right and relentless to prove it. Personally I don't care because it's just you being you, and it matters little if the trash talk gets escalated or not. Others not so much. I rather like it when you start dodging and weaving looking for an answer you ain't got myself. You do it to everybody else but hate it when it's done to you, so maybe take your tired a$$ to bed because that's what cranky kids are supposed to do.

They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues.

Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?

Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

No the Doctor should be charged with murder and woman as accessory


2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?

all research into early childhoos should be funded

No the Doctor should be charged with murder and woman as accessory

Abortions are legal with certain restrictions, so where is the violation of law?


all research into early childhoos should be funded

The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.

The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.

there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means

there is no controversy as to when life begins, It is obvious. What is controversial is when life should end and by what means

If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?

If I may, the proper question should be when does HUMAN life begin?
At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

At birth, when the human breathes for the first time.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours

false logic scripture also says the Lord knitted us together in our mother's womb so it is his definition not ours
Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.

Yes, He knitted us together in the womb, but we didn't become human until we drew our first breath.

There is no evidence to support your claim, a human looks human in or out of the womb, life is viable even prematurely

life is viable even prematurely
Only when that life breathes.

Only when that life breathes.


What is being argued here is whether someone prematurely prevents birth and breathing, you know this, so when a baby takes a breath is academic at best. Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an . Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an

Make all the excuses you want, abortion is murder, premeditated murder and the law that says otherwise is an .

This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.


Any law that seems to preempt or overthrow God's law is an

Which God are you referring to?

This is a religious argument. You are entitled to it but religious law does not overcome the secular law.



Which God are you referring to?

There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Everybody says that.

There is only one God, Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Is that three gods?

Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.

Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.

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Is that three gods?

Judaism has one God, Christianity 3 godheads in one, Arabia has Allah who predates Islam, Hinduism many gods similar to saints in Catholicism who are aspects of Brahma, Buddha no gods, Native Americans Manitou or the Great Spirit. All peoples and cultures develop their own god/gods. Then there are the religions that have been relegated to mythology - Zeus, Odin, and many more over the eons.

Like you, each thinks their God is the only God.The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one

The idea that God is one is as old as time but I believe Jesus when he says he and the father are one

The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).

The core of Christianity is a beautiful religion. Some bumps in the road over the centuries but nobody's perfect (humans).

You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship

You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship

Well ok. Couldn't it be both?

Well ok. Couldn't it be both?

Religion is ritual, it is not the same, as I said there was something lost in the transition, perhaps caused by persecution by the religiously minded. During the foundation, the disciples spent years in relationship with Jesus, religion was different, they had a temple for that

Religion is ritual, it is not the same, as I said there was something lost in the transition, perhaps caused by persecution by the religiously minded. During the foundation, the disciples spent years in relationship with Jesus, religion was different, they had a temple for that

Religion is many things, including ritual. But the difference (religion-relationship)is not an issue for me. If it works for you, that's good enough for me.

Religion is many things, including ritual. But the difference (religion-relationship)is not an issue for me. If it works for you, that's good enough for me.

yes it works for me

You see what has been lost is that Christianity isn't a religion it is a relationship

I think that's possible, highly likely, and many don't need the religion/dogma/traditions and customs to have that relationship.

I think that's possible, highly likely, and many don't need the religion/dogma/traditions and customs to have that relationship.

Right on Tal

Why am I not shocked by your agreement on this subject? It does feel good to be comfortable congregating around others in the true sense of the word. Its powerful.