Being questioned about the lack of testing, Donald Trump said:

"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing, we'd have very few cases."

Read that again. Make sure you understand what this self-proclaimed genius is saying.

If you think it's being taken out of context, there are videos of his exact words all over the internet.

This absence of sane leadership is killing Americans.

so there is a lot that could be read into this:

we arn't doing enough testing

China didn't do enough testing

we are idiots

I am an idiot

Obama didn't leave enough stocks of tests

elect me because I'm the one who is the war time CIC

so there is a lot that could be read into this:

we arn't doing enough testing

China didn't do enough testing

we are idiots

I am an idiot

Obama didn't leave enough stocks of tests

elect me because I'm the one who is the war time CIC

Yes, you could be an idiot, (your own words) but the words Trump spoke mean what they mean. Not hard to understand. They show a mind that is failing.

His words show he is a big fat lying cheating dufus like all his other words and wants to get re elected to stay out of jail like his other cronies, and sycophants. Different day, same crap.

His words show he is a big fat lying cheating dufus like all his other words and wants to get re elected to stay out of jail like his other cronies, and sycophants.Thank you for that thoughtful, unbiased, impartial analysis. "...a big fat lying cheating dufus..." Hmmm. One of the worst cases of TDS I've ever seen.

In the meantime, in the world of truth, the Biden camp has criticized Cathryn Herridge for her reporting on the unmasking story. The tweet read, "Catherine Herridge is a partisan, rightwing hack who is a regular conduit for conservative media manipulation ploys because she agrees to publicize things before contacting the target to ask for comment." The tweet was later removed after someone, I suppose, realized the optics were not good. So when a reporter doesn't get in touch with Biden BEFORE posting a story, then they get hammered? Herridge was also the reporter who did the interview with AG Barr that Chuck Todd later disgracefully and dishonestly reported on, an action which drew a collective "yawn" from the holier than thou crowd here since they couldn't pin it on Trump. It's the same "yawn" that has been expressed over the Tara Reade allegations and thus fulfills the general motto: If Trump does it, then we go insane. If a liberal dem does it, then its OK. The three here in question, unsurprisingly, are all liberal dems.

So is Joe Biden now the anti-female candidate?? Huh. Sure starting to look that way.

Trump's mind is failing? At least he still knows where he is and who he is.

Yes, you could be an idiot, (your own words) but the words Trump spoke mean what they mean. Not hard to understand. They show a mind that is failing.

No I wasn't speaking about me I was speaking as if I were Trump

Sorry. I misread your post.

1. Are you a doctor? You say I'm suffering from some derangement because I tell the truth about the guy whose arse you have your head stuck up shoulder deep? I think it's you suffering from TDS.

2. Unmasking is done as a matter of routine when monitoring foreign governments. Whether they are talking to Americans, or about them. Not surprised lowly informed right wing loonies make a conspiracy about one of them. Todd apologized, but the dufus never has, something you never acknowledged in your loony mind. Facts matter, except in Loonyville. If a dem does anything you loonies go insane.

3. Another conspiracy theory by the wingers!

4. Yes the dufus knows he is in the WH lying, cheating, and stealing like he did before he got to the WH.


No I wasn't speaking about me I was speaking as if I were Trump

Don't sully yourself.

whose arse you have your head stuck up shoulder deep?If you want to be thought of as something beyond an ignorant, vulgar, half-brained dimwit, you probably should try saying something that at least sounds intelligent. Many of your comments are what I used to hear from my elementary school students. It didn't surprise me from them, but you are supposed to be an adult. Why don't you try acting like one.


I tell the truth about the guy"a big fat lying cheating dufus." This is what passes for the truth now?


Unmasking is done as a matter of routine when monitoring foreign governments.You missed the point.


Another conspiracy theory by the wingers!There was no conspiracy theory.

How many times must you be told I don't give a rats patoot about what you or you loons think about my words actions or behavior. Seems you would be more concerned with extricating your heads from the arse of the most immoral president in history than trying to chunk your silly stupid rocks at a citizen try to wake you the freak up from your delusions.

Now do the right thing and repent your support for a liar and cheater, or be condemned for eternity in your own hellfire. Let me borrow your bible to beat you upside your head because these rock just bounce off your skull!

No I ain't mad, just revved up by your ignorance and stubborn hypocrisy. You wingers are NUTS!

How many times must you be told I don't give a rats patoot about what you or you loons think about my words actions or behavior. Seems you would be more concerned with extricating your heads from the arse of the most immoral president in history than trying to chunk your silly stupid rocks at a citizen try to wake you the freak up from your delusions.Kind of gets you stirred up when it comes back at you, doesn't it? Well, I see you are passing on the "adult" thing. Oh well.

Look, I can talk with just about anyone. We have had some informative and enjoyable exchanges, but I'm not going to go along with your senseless, vulgar comments. If that's where this is going, then it won't work. That is up to you.

Kind of gets you stirred up when it comes back at you, doesn't it? Well, I see you are passing on the "adult" thing. Oh well.

If you can pass on the adult thing and lie why are you surprised that I can pass on the adult thing with the truth?


Look, I can talk with just about anyone. We have had some informative and enjoyable exchanges, but I'm not going to go along with your senseless, vulgar comments. If that's where this is going, then it won't work. That is up to you.

No, you look at yourself, at what you write and how you write it. Your false statements and passive aggressive dismissals won't go unchallenged. Nor will your falsehoods. If that won't work for you, too bad, that's up to you. You want to play nice, then play nice. That's up to you too.

We can play any way you want too!

Done. So much childishness is enough.

Then grow the freak up!

Georgia started the return to normalcy on 4/25. New cases of the virus are dropping. Deaths are declining. Georgia's averages are no worse than the country as a whole. Let's go back to work using some common sense precautions.

I'm all for safety, and common sense.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-updates-georgia-tries-to-reopen-economy-during-pandemic.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-updates-georgia-tries-to-reopen-economy-during-pandemic.html)

New cases in the state appear to have plateaued in recent weeks, increasing by roughly 700 per day since Georgia started reopening on April 24. But due to the disease incubation period and delays in data reporting, a fuller picture of how lifting restrictions affected Covid-19′s spread may not be available until the final days of May, according to Bob Bednarczyk at Emory University and John Drake at the University of Georgia.

I'm all for safety, and common sense.

So am I. But common sense has been sadly missing since Trump first announced that Codiv-19 was a hoax. Then he said maybe 9 deaths at most would happen in the US. He soon moved that up to 50, and so on as he increasingly lost control of the administration response until the death count is now predicted to be over 100,000. His right-wing sycophants went along with Trump, and still do.

Now he pushes to "open" the states. He does this for one reason only - he doesn't think he can be re-elected without a recovering economy. He cares not a whit about people dying. Plus he has the side benefit of those pesky immigrants and minorities having a disproportionate rate of dying. Two birds with one stone.

Tal, your description of Trump bothers no one except his supporters. Your words have the added quality of being true and spot on.


A revealing comment against Tal from Mr. Nasty.


If you want to be thought of as something beyond an ignorant, vulgar, half-brained dimwit, you probably should try saying something that at least sounds intelligent.

An amazing comment from the Insulter-in-Chief on this board who has the Trumpian habit of accusing others of his own failings.

If you want to be thought of as something beyond an ignorant, vulgar, half-brained dimwit, you probably should try saying something that at least sounds intelligent.

How about you start with that, then we can get past stupid

An amazing comment from the Insulter-in-Chief on this board who has the Trumpian habit of accusing others of his own failings.Two words explain your bitterness: Thomas Aquinas. You got caught and you've never gotten over it.

Tal became extremely vulgar in some of his comments. It got old, and I don't regret my comment towards him at all. It was tame compared to his. He had it coming. I can handle honest opinions about what I think or say, but that level of elementary school vulgarity is going too far. If I ever sink to that level, you feel free to call me out on it. For me, I've blocked his posts so he can rant and rave all he wants.

Two words explain your bitterness: Thomas Aquinas. You got caught and you've never gotten over it.

A perfect example of why I jumped bluntly dead in your arse. Crass, crude, juvenile, VULGAR! GUILTY! That's all you seem to understand, so that's what you get! No I won't block you, but I will call your personal attacks out. You want an honest intellectual discussion, then be honestly intellectual.

I'm sick of your snide personal attacks!

I'm sick of your [JL's] snide personal attacks!
They are why I rarely post now. I got very weary of the putdowns and shaming.

Two words explain your bitterness: Thomas Aquinas. You got caught and you've never gotten over it.

As usual, in addition to your Mr. Nasty, you avoid the truth which has been provided for you several times now.

Speaking of being caught (but afraid to admit it in your own words) is your Mr. Judas.

Like Judas, you have betrayed Christ. You portray Christ as a monster who condemns most of his creation to eternal torture and punishment in an everlasting hell. This is about as far from the message of the Gospels as is possible. This is YOUR scarlet letter which will be with you wherever you go. Which has more scarlet, do you think? Judas would be a good board name for you. I may start using it to replace jl.

You have been brainwashed from birth and have never examined that hell-ish belief. When scholars have shown the mistranslation you so dearly love, you refuse even to read any of the volumes of information now available in the huge library we call the internet. Your fear at the house of cards you have built being in danger of crumbling is an act of cowardice.

You are obviously unaware that there are major differences between English Bible translations. Many do not contain the concept of a hell of eternal punishment. Here are a few of them: Young's Literal, Rotherham's Emphasized, Weymouth's NT in Modern Speech, Concordat Literal NT, 20th Century NT, as well as many more.

No doubt, like many fundamentalists, you consider the King James Version to be God's perfect Bible, ignoring the fact that it was written 1,600 years after Christ walked the earth. Here is a list of Bibles which have taken major steps in correcting many of the corruptions on the KJV.

Some of them are published by leading Evangelical Christian publishers like Baker Book House, Kregal and Eerdman's Publishing. Here's a partial list of some English Bible translations that do NOT contain Hell nor the concept of everlasting punishment: Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (Kregal Publishers), Young's Literal Translation of the Holy Bible (Baker Book House Publishers; Robert Young is author of the famous Young's Concordance), Concordant Literal Translation of the N.T. (Concordant Publishing Concern), Scarlet's New Testament (Nathaniel Scarlett, 1798), The New Testament (Abner Kneeland, 1823) Emphatic Diaglott (Greek/English Interlinear), The New Covenant (J.W. Hanson, 1884), New Testament in Modern Speech (Weymouth, 1910), The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976), The Twentieth Century New Testament (1900), The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed (James L. Tomanek)1958), The Western New Testament (1926), The New Testament, a Translation (Rev. Edgar Lewis Clementson, 1938), The People's New Testament (Arthur Overbury), The New Testament, A New Translation based upon the Oldest Manuscripts (Johannes Greber, 1980) Jonathan Mitchell New Testament (2009) Far Above All New Testament (2009).

There are other translations like the Companion Bible King James Version, American Standard Version (1901), the Newberry Reference Bible (Still published by Kregal Publications), and the Riverside New Testament by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible.”

The idea of Hell is both laughable and horrifying at the same time. It's astounding what we humans can come up with when we give in to our most base fears of punishment and our most envious desires of schadenfreude.

You're the type of person who drools over the idea that you're morally superior to your neighbor, and will be rewarded with Paradise, while your demonstrably more successful neighbor will pay for their most likely well-deserved success by spending eternity in a lake of fire, being repeatedly stabbed in the butt with a pitchfork by some red guy with horns and a tail.

I do not read the KJV. I do read the New American Standard, English Standard Version, the NIV, the NET, and the Amplified (both), all widely known and respected translations which do not hesitate to speak of hell. In fact, Jesus spoke of it frequently. The idea of hell is certainly terrifying. It is certainly NOT laughable.

The "People's New Testament"? Who did that work, Mao? (joke, for the humor impaired) You have selected a group of virtually unknown translations. Try something mainstream. At Biblegateway.com, I looked at the first fifteen or so translations listed alphabetically. Only one rendered it as something other than "hell" in Matthew 5:29. Anyone who wants to can go online and check that out.

And there remains, of course, Matthew 25.

As to the rest of your rant, I have said none of those things, so it would seem that you suffer from the delusion that just because you say something, that makes it true. This is unlike your deceitful episode with Aquinas which you own lock, stock, and barrel. Your explanation had a distinctly hollow ring to it.

If the KJV being written 1600 years after the life of Christ makes it questionable, then why do you accept translations written even longer than that after his life? Why the double standard?

And there remains, of course, Matthew 25.

That's been done. Go back and read it again.


Your (Aquinas) explanation had a distinctly hollow ring to it.

Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, a distinctly hollow ring is far preferable to the monstrous God you have made Jesus out to be. This God of yours (according to you) made billions of humans just to see them be tortured in hell for all eternity.

If anyone doubts this, they have only to go back and read your posts on the subject. Even better, why not state it yourself to save everyone the trouble? You won't of course, because all you can offer is an ancient book which was badly translated in parts. As always, you are afraid to put it in your own words since you may then see the absurdity of what you believe.

Or even worse, as I said way back, this sick need of yours to create such a God lies deep within you. You are now officially a CINO (Christian In Name Only).


If the KJV being written 1600 years after the life of Christ makes it questionable,

It is questionable (partially) because much new information on the era of the Bible has come to light for scholars to examine, and that the KJV never had access to.


then why do you accept translations written even longer than that after his life? Why the double standard?

There's no double standard. No one claims the newer versions are perfect. The later translations are simply more accurate translations than the KJV. Most scholars will agree with that statement. It's only the fundamentalists who make the KJV something straight from the hand of God.

There's no double standard. No one claims the newer versions are perfect. The later translations are simply more accurate translations than the KJV. Most scholars will agree with that statement. It's only the fundamentalists who make the KJV something straight from the hand of God.I wouldn't argue with that. I'm not a fundamentalist so your final sentence does not concern me.

My comment was based upon your statement that the KJV was written 1600 years after the life of Christ and was therefore unreliable. If that is true, then certainly translations written even more distantly than it was would be even less reliable. I don't think that is true, but your logic about the 1600 years is faulty.

You have not cleared up Matthew 25. You are appealing to your extreme minority view of the translation of eternal which is supported by virtually no one of consequence. You are very much on a very small island. You are certainly welcome to your island, but I will not be joining you.


You won't of course, because all you can offer is an ancient book which was badly translated in parts. As always, you are afraid to put it in your own words since you may then see the absurdity of what you believe.My views are the views of the Bible. I can no more express my views without quoting scripture than you can express your views by quoting scripture. It is not fear but agreement.

If the Bible is really an "ancient book which was badly translated in parts," then why do you concern yourself with what it says? Why not throw it in the trash can and just move on?

Obviously, I think you are entirely incorrect in your assessment of the accurate transmission of the Bible.

You can call me Judas if it suits you, Aquinas.

You can call me Judas if it suits you, Aquinas.

Fine with me. Aquinas is a man I greatly admire.

Do you admire Judas?

Your ineffective manipulation of Aquinas is a performance I greatly...think deserves to be remembered, and one which would have made Aquinas blush. Words cannot express how glad I am it was not me behind that production.

What is your view of hell? Do you regard it as fictional? Having chosen the name "Athos", that would make sense.

What is your view of hell? Do you regard it as fictional?

Why do you ask?


Having chosen the name "Athos", that would make sense.

With what does "Athos" make sense? And why?

yawn . my eyes glaze over when I see theological discussions on a political topic with a biased premise .
1968 Somewhere around 120,000 Americans and over 1 million worldwide died of the Hong Kong Flu pandemic . You read histories of the time and if you look hard ,it is a footnote . No one blamed LBJ for his lack of response even though both he and VP Humphrey were stricken by the virus . Many prominent Americans lost their lives . And in the midst of the pandemic although probably in a lull on the outbreak . Almost a half million kids flocked to Max Yasgur's farm and wallowed in the mud without any social separation .

I think it is a particularly cheap shot to blame Trump for the pandemic when a$$-wipes like il duce Cuomo ORDERED c-19 patients to be placed in nursing homes and d*ck heads like Sandinista Bill was encouraging NYers to use the subways and go out on the town ;and refused to shut the city down until there was almost a revolt in the ranks of NYC government late in March with teachers refusing his orders to go to work in the classroom . There are many leaders in this country who got it wrong . And many like Governor DeSantis of Florida who got it right (who governs a larger population and a much larger senior population than NY ) .

There is only one person in the world who can be blamed for this pandemic and that is Xi Jinping the thug genocidal dictator of China .

Well, Xi just came out and agrees to investigations of the virus, and bring money with him to fight it. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-s-xi-says-supports-who-probe-when-covid-19-controlled/ar-BB14f8au?ocid=msedgntp)

I think Trump has, all in all, handled this well. It really fits the description of "the fog of war". We don't even have 20/20 vision on it now. Some of the undue alarm comes from the incredibly competitive battles for viewers by the many, many news channels which exist. They have to have something dramatic to talk about. The virus is serious for sure, but I think we will look back a year from now and decide we overreacted, made entirely possible by the "money grows on trees" philosophy now adopted by both parties and most Americans.

Well, Xi just came out and agrees to investigations of the virus, and bring money with him to fight it. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-s-xi-says-supports-who-probe-when-covid-19-controlled/ar-BB14f8au?ocid=msedgntp) oh he is such a freaking saint!!!
Almost did not read the article when the headline said he supports the WHO probe. It was the WHO who rubber stamped China's claims that the virus was not human to human . The WHO is a DISCREDITED agency that needs to be defunded . Free nations can set up an accountable organization to replace it . It is nice Xi wants to spend billions in investment in 3rd world nations that are devastated by the pandamic he inflicted on the world . But mission accomplished .
He saw China was going to take an economic hit when the virus hit ,and he made a deliberate decision to ensure the rest of his economic competitors suffered the same .

Repeal and replace the WHO? Sounds familiar. Destroy and minimize CDC, why not. Get rid of and obstruct any oversight of this tyrant and his regime? May as well change the title to this OP while were at it. Looks like 100, 000 deaths by June easy.

Great job conservatives.

Going to give a hat tip to the great Governors of NY ,NJ where 50% of the deaths came from the same policies as il duce Cuomo's decision was to unapologetically expose the most vulnerable to the virus by REQUIRING nursing homes to accept C-19 patients . In Connecticut 70% of covid deaths occurred in senior care facilities . 69% of the deaths in PA occurred in senior housing . These are all lib run states .

Here is a comparison between il duce Cuomo's NY and DeSantis Republican led Fla . Fla has a larger population ;is God's waiting room for seniors . And yet the covid deaths of seniors there is not close to NY

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now that pos Cuomo ,fasia brute, has decided that seniors need to be protected . And his solution ? Test the nursing home staff as if they caused the nursing home crisis in this state . He is a despicable turd .

You can be sure that at least a serious attempt will be made to bail out NY, Cally, et al. The dems never seem to pass up a chance to penalize the irresponsible at the expense of the responsible.

now that pos Cuomo ,fasia brute, has decided that seniors need to be protected . And his solution ? Test the nursing home staff as if they caused the nursing home crisis in this state . He is a despicable turd .

Well the clients likely didn't infect themselves, and how else did it get introduced in a nursing home? How else to you protect the elderly but test those they come in contact with?

Well the clients likely didn't infect themselves, and how else did it get introduced in a nursing home? How else to you protect the elderly but test those they come in contact with?
That's too true, tal!

For at least two months, my nursing home friends and the rest of the residents have been quarantined in their rooms -- no exceptions unless an ambulance takes someone away. No family or other visitors are allowed in the building. Any food or other deliveries are left inside the front door to be wiped by a staff member and taken to the resident. Thus, the only people the residents have contact with is the nursing home staff. And testing still isn't being done in all nursing homes.

Well the clients likely didn't infect themselves, and how else did it get introduced in a nursing home? How else to you protect the elderly but test those they come in contact with?
I already told you Cuomo came out with a directive MARCH 25 ORDERING that elderly C-19 positive patients be sent to nursing homes . The deaths there are on his bloody hands .

I already told you Cuomo came out with a directive MARCH 25 ORDERING that elderly C-19 positive patients be sent to nursing homes . The deaths there are on his bloody hands .
Please tell the whole story, Tom.

From https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/nursing-homes-cant-reject-coronavirus-patients-cuomo-says/ :
Cuomo [also] said that if a nursing home can’t properly quarantine and treat COVID-19 patients with separate staffers, it’s required to move them to another facility or ask the state Department of Health to arrange a transfer.

“Now, when a person gets transferred, they lose a patient, they lose that revenue, I understand, but the relationship is, the contract is, ‘You have this resident, you get paid, you must provide adequate care,’ ” he said.

Please tell the whole story, Tom.

Tom is famous for leaving out pertinent facts in his diatribes.

“This treacherous virus spreads through nursing homes like fire through dry grass and the state’s March 25 policy served to unnecessarily to fan the flames of this fire.”
Right on !



“The state has failed to protect the lives of the most vulnerable members of our community,” said Ron Kim, a Democratic member of the state Assembly whose Queens district has seen many nursing-home deaths. “The fact we maintained and pushed Covid-positive patients into facilities that were not equipped to handle them, it was a fatal error.”


Cuomo knows he f~ed up . That is why he reversed the decision May 10 .


Hospitals cannot release patients to nursing homes in New York unless the patient tests negative for the virus, Cuomo said Sunday.


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cuomo-reverses-nursing-home-directive-to-take-covid-19-patients-requires-more-staff-testing/2410533/

Even with that he tried to deflect the blame to the courageous nursing home staffs .He now requires them to take tests twice weekly as if they were somehow the cause of the outbreak in the nursing homes .

He's as a$$hole . NY city had the Javits Center rigged with hospital beds ;he had USNS Comfort docked in NY and did not use it's resources . He had hotel rooms set up with hospital beds and did not use them .Instead he DIRECTED that C-19 positive patients be sent back to nursing homes to comingle with the most vulnerable population in the state . Then the pompus jackass said when he was informed that staff at these facilities did not have enough PPE ,he scoffed and said it wasn't the states problem . The truth is that the moron cried and bellyached for weeks that NY did not have enough PPE ;enough respirators ,enough beds and begged for Trump to pull his feet out of the fire .Now he whines and complains that he needs Congress to bail out his failed state that he left in the hole for $9 billion BEFORE the virus .

BTW ,his goal is clear here. He hates private run care . He wants all the elderly warehoused in government facilities . Well I got to see one of those institutions up close and personal before that one shut down and the families of the residents were forced to scramble to find one of those private facilities Cuomo so despises . It was a dilapidated building .The stink was overwhelming .

Shame on Cuomo and you if you support the heartless policy directive of March 25. All it took was almost 2 months of needless deaths for the meatball head to change course .

soundslike you have more problems over there with nursing homes than we do

He's as a$$hole . NY city had the Javits Center rigged with hospital beds ;he had USNS Comfort docked in NY and did not use it's resources . He had hotel rooms set up with hospital beds and did not use them .Instead he DIRECTED that C-19 positive patients be sent back to nursing homes to comingle with the most vulnerable population in the state . Then the pompus jackass said when he was informed that staff at these facilities did not have enough PPE ,he scoffed and said it wasn't the states problem . The truth is that the moron cried and bellyached for weeks that NY did not have enough PPE ;enough respirators ,enough beds and begged for Trump to pull his feet out of the fire .Now he whines and complains that he needs Congress to bail out his failed state that he left in the hole for $9 billion BEFORE the virus .
Now if Trump wudda taken the novel coronavirus seriously and had stockpiled the needed medical supplies (after he took apart Obama's preparation efforts), Cuomo's plan would have worked very well. The private as well as public nursing homes would have been able to provide adequate care.

Don't like Cuomo, move to Texas. You'll love Abbot and his beanie buddies, Cornyn and Cruz.

Even with that he tried to deflect the blame to the courageous nursing home staffs .He now requires them to take tests twice weekly as if they were somehow the cause of the outbreak in the nursing homes .

I don't think that was deflecting blame. It was to protect all as far as possible.


NY city had the Javits Center rigged with hospital beds ;he had USNS Comfort docked in NY and did not use it's resources . He had hotel rooms set up with hospital beds and did not use them .Instead he DIRECTED that C-19 positive patients be sent back to nursing homes to comingle with the most vulnerable population in the state

He did not DIRECT C-19 patients to commingle with others in the nursing home. The intent was to free up hospital beds for sicker patients who were overwhelming the hospitals. The hospital ship was never intended to house C-19 patients nor was the Javits Center. They were not equipped to do so. However, I agree something could have been done in the emergency as it presented itself with the nursing home patients.


Then the pompus jackass said when he was informed that staff at these facilities did not have enough PPE ,he scoffed and said it wasn't the states problem.

This was part of the larger disagreement between the feds and Cuomo. You make it sound like Cuomo did it heartlessly.


The truth is that the moron cried and bellyached for weeks that NY did not have enough PPE ;enough respirators ,enough beds and begged for Trump to pull his feet out of the fire

Absolutely true! And still is. Trump has repeatedly refused to take effective charge of a national response to C-19.


Now he whines and complains that he needs Congress to bail out his failed state that he left in the hole for $9 billion BEFORE the virus

Come on, Tom, you should know that the virus has drained the state coffers and soon the first responders (cops and firemen, etc.) won't be getting paid without help from the feds.


BTW ,his goal is clear here. He hates private run care . He wants all the elderly warehoused in government facilities . Well I got to see one of those institutions up close and personal before that one shut down and the families of the residents were forced to scramble to find one of those private facilities Cuomo so despises . It was a dilapidated building .The stink was overwhelming.

Most of that industry is badly in need of improvement. Both the profiteers and the government-run. They both have the same essential problem - poverty wages and workers who accept those wages do not come with PhDs.


Shame on Cuomo and you if you support the heartless policy directive of March 25. All it took was almost 2 months of needless deaths for the meatball head to change course .


Nobody supports heartless policies. In hindsight, that policy that was intended to free up hospitals so new, sicker patients could be treated was not the best - especially when considering the Javits Center and the Hospital ship.

Cuomo did what he thought was best at the time. He reversed himself because the uproar made the policy self-defeating. I firmly believe the major screw-up in this whole business has been the Chinese followed by Donald Trump who has repeatedly denied taking a leadership position - telling the states to do it themselves.

Time to put partisan politics aside and help the country get back on its feet. Wherever I go, that is the common attitude - the only exception is Donald Trump on his daily TV shows. His head is on re-election, not recovery.

The dufus is back to his chosen profession of selling snake oil (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crazy-thing-to-do-health-experts-alarmed-by-trump-s-use-of-unproven-drug/ar-BB14h3CJ?ocid=msedgntp)!

Now if Trump wudda taken the novel coronavirus seriously and had stockpiled the needed medical supplies (after he took apart Obama's preparation efforts), Cuomo's plan would have worked very well. The private as well as public nursing homes would have been able to provide adequate care.

But he has taken chloroquine seriously and has trialled it himself, now what else can a President do than that, take the risks himself the man is a hero in the superman mold

Now if Trump wudda taken the novel coronavirus seriously and had stockpiled the needed medical suppliesWhat meds are you referring to?

You mean medical SUPPLIES as quoted? Ventilators, masks, and gloves.


But he has taken chloroquine seriously and has trialled it himself, now what else can a President do than that, take the risks himself the man is a hero in the superman mold

He has no cape but does the red tie count?

The dufus is back to his chosen profession of selling snake oil (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crazy-thing-to-do-health-experts-alarmed-by-trump-s-use-of-unproven-drug/ar-BB14h3CJ?ocid=msedgntp)!


https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

Now if Trump wudda taken the novel coronavirus seriously and had stockpiled the needed medical supplies


What meds are you referring to?

Must be talking about those treatments and vaccines that haven't been invented or approved of yet . I know the testing he inherited from the emperor's CDC was terribly flawed . Besides that I can't hazard a guess. The fact that Covid 19 is a new strain presupposes that stockpiling of any medicine would've been at best a crap shoot .


You mean medical SUPPLIES as quoted? Ventilators, masks, and gloves. The emperor depleted PPE during the H1N1 pandemic and never restocked .

His use is illegal since he has never been hospitalized or tested positive for the virus. He's likely lying anyway.

"Unfortunately, although it is perfectly legal to prescribe drugs for new indications not on the label, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has recommended that CQ and HCQ should be used for COVID-19 only in hospitalized patients in the setting of a clinical study if available. Most states are making it difficult for physicians to prescribe or pharmacists to dispense these medications."

But he has taken chloroquine seriously and has trialled it himself, now what else can a President do than that, take the risks himself the man is a hero in the superman mold Hundreds of C-19 patients have been treated successfully with the drug cocktail ....and health providers have been using it as prophylactic prevention . Quinine comes from Cinchona officinalis . As I previously mentioned . I self medicated during my illness withCinchona officinalis extract ,zinc ,and vitamin C and D . I did not take the drug and it was not prescribed to me . But I took that combination based on what I had learned about how successful Quinine had shown to be. Don't believe those rigged tests like they criminally pulled at the VA . They administered it to vets on their death bed and surprise !! It did not help . The drug to be successful has to be used early after diagnosis and the patient should not have a heart precondition .

Must be talking about those treatments and vaccines that haven't been invented or approved of yet . I was wondering the same thing. Since no one had any idea in December that we would be facing this, then how could anyone have prepared a stockpile of the needed meds? For that matter, why didn't Obama assemble the meds if it's just that easy.

Must be talking about those treatments and vaccines that haven't been invented or approved of yet . I know the testing he inherited from the emperor's CDC was terribly flawed . Besides that I can't hazard a guess. The fact that Covid 19 is a new strain presupposes that stockpiling of any medicine would've been at best a crap shoot .

The emperor depleted PPE during the H1N1 pandemic and never restocked .

Budgetary cuts from that era show many cuts across the board. The dufus had 13 million masks but that just wasn't enough so "depleted" is not accurate Tom, and the dufus claim of a bare cupboard is FALSE.


Hundreds of C-19 patients have been treated successfully with the drug cocktail ....and health providers have been using it as prophylactic prevention . Quinine comes from Cinchona officinalis . As I previously mentioned . I self medicated during my illness withCinchona officinalis extract ,zinc ,and vitamin C and D . I did not take the drug and it was not prescribed to me . But I took that combination based on what I had learned about how successful Quinine had shown to be. Don't believe those rigged tests like they criminally pulled at the VA . They administered it to vets on their death bed and surprise !! It did not help . The drug to be successful has to be used early after diagnosis and the patient should not have a heart precondition .

Doesn't change the law, nor the fact that nobody can clearly state HQC is as effect with or without other drugs. When those countries mentioned in your link run clinical trials showing those results as said, then we talk.

In the meantime this could happen here. (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/german-towns-forced-re-impose-21999067)

Hypochondriac Trump isn't taking hydroxychloroquine! No way would he risk suffering from any of these possible side effects:
From
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html


Blistering, peeling, loosening of the skin
blurred vision or other vision changes
chest discomfort, pain, or tightness
cough or hoarseness
dark urine
decreased urination
defective color vision
diarrhea (https://www.drugs.com/cg/acute-diarrhea.html)
difficulty breathing
difficulty seeing at night
dizziness (https://www.drugs.com/cg/vertigo.html) or fainting
fast, pounding, uneven heartbeat
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever with or without chills
general feeling of tiredness or weakness
headache (https://www.drugs.com/cg/acute-headache.html)
inability to move the eyes
increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid
joint or muscle pain
large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, and sex organs
loss of hearing
lower back or side pain
noisy breathing
painful or difficult urination
red irritated eyes
red skin lesions, often with a purple center
severe mood or mental changes
sore throat (https://www.drugs.com/cg/sore-throat.html) sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sticking out of the tongue
stomach pain
swelling of the feet or lower legs
swollen or painful glands
trouble with breathing, speaking, or swallowing
uncontrolled twisting movements of the neck, trunk, arms, or legs
unusual behavior
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual facial expressions
unusual tiredness or weakness
yellow eyes or skin

I have a funny feeling that if Joe B said he was taking it, it would be unquestioningly accepted and believed. Of course that's assuming that he could take it and remember the next day that he was taking it. 8D

I have a funny feeling that if Joe B said he was taking it, it would be unquestioningly accepted and believed. Of course that's assuming that he could take it and remember the next day that he was taking it. 8D

That's all we would need is a dem dufus running against a repub dufus! Did I take my morning meds? 8( Remind me not to run for president, or a bus for that matter!

I have a funny feeling that if Joe B said he was taking it, it would be unquestioningly accepted and believed. Of course that's assuming that he could take it and remember the next day that he was taking it. 8D
Nope. Joe actually has a brain.

I just watched yesterday's Trump video again. Frequent subject changes, word salad, multiple repetitions of phrases and sentences (like a child trying to convince a parent that he really, really isn't lying), eyes blinking or eyes closed as he repeats himself over and over again ad nauseum in an attempt to convince his listeners that yes! he is telling the truth (another juvenile tactic).

My goodness. "Joe actually has a brain." "...eyes blinking or eyes closed as he repeats himself over and over again ad nauseum in an attempt to convince his listeners that yes! he is telling the truth (another juvenile tactic)."

Why are you being so judgmental? Didn't you just say, "I got very weary of the putdowns and shaming," a few days ago? Well, that sentence above sure looks like a major league putdown to me. Why is it that put-downs are bad when directed at you, but OK when you direct them towards others? And no, that is not meant to be ugly. Just an honest question.

I do think that when you start trying to put JB's mental faculties out there as a strong point for him, then you are really stretching.

My goodness. "Joe actually has a brain." "...eyes blinking or eyes closed as he repeats himself over and over again ad nauseum in an attempt to convince his listeners that yes! he is telling the truth (another juvenile tactic)."
No, that was Trump you were watching!
https://www.businessinsider.com/full-transcript-video-trump-claiming-he-takes-hydroxycholoroquine-2020-5

Not judgmental! Watch Trump! If it were Obama or Biden or HC, you'd be all over it, screaming obscenities.

Well I knew that. I still don't know why it is OK for you to put-down the pres, but not OK for someone to direct a put-down towards you. And btw, it is not my intention to be insulting to you or to make any remark seem like a put-down. Hopefully it is OK to ask serious questions.

Well I knew that. I still don't know why it is OK for you to put-down the pres, but not OK for someone to direct a put-down towards you. And btw, it is not my intention to be insulting to you or to make any remark seem like a put-down. Hopefully it is OK to ask serious questions.
The boards are full of your putdowns and insults and shaming.

When Trump is so obviously ill, we should do what?

When Trump is so obviously ill, we should do what?Address put-downs towards him, and shame him? Look, you can do as you please. I just don't see the consistency of your position. You position seems to be, "Don't put me down and don't shame me, but it's OK if I do it towards others". It's perplexing.

I don't think questioning a statement, a position, an argument, and so forth amounts to a put-down. Now I think that when Tal repeatedly accused me of having my head up another person's backside, then that's a pretty insulting put-down, and yet you had nothing to say about that. That's also perplexing to me. Why is that?

Address put-downs towards him, and shame him? Look, you can do as you please. I just don't see the consistency of your position. You position seems to be, "Don't put me down and don't shame me, but it's OK if I do it towards others". It's perplexing.
Trump earns every putdown he gets. When he starts acting intelligent and kind and loving, the putdowns will stop.

I don't think questioning a statement, a position, an argument, and so forth amounts to a put-down. Now I think that when Tal repeatedly accused me of having my head up another person's backside, then that's a pretty insulting put-down, and yet you had nothing to say about that. That's also perplexing to me. Why is that?
Should I put together a list of your putdowns to us?

Should I put together a list of your putdowns to us?So put-downs towards you three are bad, but from you are OK? I mean really, now. It just seems to me that everytime I ask a question that seems a little dangerous to you, that looks like it might cause you to have to side outside of the threesome, then you just simply don't answer it. But if you can find a comment of mine that even comes close to suggesting that someone has his head up someone else's "arse", then I'd love to see it. It's just sad that you cannot bring yourself to even agree that it was completely vulgar and tasteless. Oh well.

And there are no put-downs or shaming anywhere in that paragraph. It's just simple discussion.

I will repost the letter from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons :
https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/
https://aapsonline.org/aaps-letter-asking-gov-ducey-to-rescind-executive-order-concerning-hydroxychloroquine-in-covid-19/



The antiviral properties of these drugs have been studied since 2003. Particularly when combined with zinc, they hinder viral entry into cells and inhibit replication. They may also prevent overreaction by the immune system, which causes the cytokine storm responsible for much of the damage in severe cases, explains AAPS. HCQ is often very helpful in treating autoimmune diseases such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.Additional benefits shown in some studies, AAPS states, is to decrease the number of days when a patient is contagious, reduce the need for ventilators, and shorten the time to clinical recovery.




Vaccines and results of randomized double-blind controlled trials of new drugs are at best months away. But patients are dying now, while affordable, long-used drugs would be available except for government restrictions, AAPS states.


From a peer reviewed study

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/preview?pru=AAABclKrBU0*2kitlN3cuzVZlnIKmjh0wQ


The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients. It avoids worsening and clears virus persistence and contagious infectivity in most cases.



Historical controls are used in many previous studies in medicine. In this respect, the safety of Hydroxychloroquine is well documented. When the safe use of this drug is projected against its apparent effect of decreasing the progression of early cases to ventilator use, it is difficult to understand the reluctance of the authorities in charge of U.S. pandemic management to recommend its use in early COVID-19 cases. The effects of the chloroquines were first outlined 15 years ago by the CDC’s own Special Pathogens Unit.

"The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, appears to be a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19"Thus, you're saying Trump has been diagnosed with COVID-19?

From your link which I have posted before.

https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/diseases-conditions/2019-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov (https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/diseases-conditions/2019-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov)

Treatment
There is no specific treatment at this time. Supportive care is given to help relieve symptoms. People with severe illness will be treated in the hospital. Some people are being given experimental medicines.
Check with your health care provider before treating yourself or a loved one with vitamins, nutrients, or any medicines prescribed in the past for other health problems.

Its important to understand the treatment of the symptoms as opposed to a cure.

Thus, you're saying Trump has been diagnosed with COVID-19? no I've already said more than once that health professionals are using it as prophylactics



From your link which I have posted before.

https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/diseases-conditions/2019-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov (https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/diseases-conditions/2019-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov)


Treatment



There is no specific treatment at this time. Supportive care is given to help relieve symptoms. People with severe illness will be treated in the hospital. Some people are being given experimental medicines.
Check with your health care provider before treating yourself or a loved one with vitamins, nutrients, or any medicines prescribed in the past for other health problems.


I made my own health care decisions . Doctors here were only telling us if you think it is serious enough to go the the hospital emergency room Most doctors stay away from alternative treatment and that is my 1st choice . Did the links I gave not ask Governor Ducey to rescind his order to forbid hydroxychloroqine use as prophilatic ? These are the professionals ,the scientists . I thought you guys wanted us to listen to the scientists and professionals .

no I've already said more than once that health professionals are using it as prophylactics
From
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

“Outside the US, hydroxychloroquine has equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the US it has been most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients,” the survey found.

From
https://krdo.com/health/2020/05/19/trump-says-he-is-taking-hydroxychloroquine-though-health-experts-question-its-effectiveness/

The FDA has warned against the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat the novel coronavirus and said they should only be used in hospitals or clinical trials because they can kill or cause serious side effects. These include serious heart rhythm problems in Covid-19 patients treated with the drugs, especially when they are combined with the antibiotic azithromycin or other medications that can affect the heart.

From
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409
Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"We have to be cautious and mindful that we don't prescribe it for patients who have COVID who are well," Cardillo said. "It should be reserved for people who are really sick, in the hospital or at home very sick, who need that medication.

From your second article.

The President’s physician, Navy Cmdr. Sean Conley, alluded in a memo released Monday night to Trump’s personal valet testing positive two weeks ago for coronavirus. While Conley didn’t say directly that Trump started taking hydroxychloroquine in response to the valet testing positive, the timing mentioned by Trump and the positive test match up.“After numerous discussions, he and I had regarding the evidence for and against the use of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the potential benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks,” Conley wrote, adding that Trump has taken multiple tests for coronavirus — all negative — and remains symptom free.

From your second article.

The President’s physician, Navy Cmdr. Sean Conley, alluded in a memo released Monday night to Trump’s personal valet testing positive two weeks ago for coronavirus. While Conley didn’t say directly that Trump started taking hydroxychloroquine in response to the valet testing positive, the timing mentioned by Trump and the positive test match up.“After numerous discussions, he and I had regarding the evidence for and against the use of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the potential benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks,” Conley wrote, adding that Trump has taken multiple tests for coronavirus — all negative — and remains symptom free.
I betcha $100 Trump is being given glucosamine or Tylenol or some other innocuous pill that looks like hydroxychloroquine. No physician in his right mind would prescribe a pill that has so many nasty side effects for a sitting president who is "in excellent health."

"We have to be cautious and mindful that we don't prescribe it for patients who have COVID who are well," Cardillo said. "It should be reserved for people who are really sick
, in the hospital or at home very sick, who need that medication. I know that health care professionals who treat C-19 patients are taking it on their own because they are confident in it's effective use as a preventive . The drug is cheap and available . So now are we going from it is ineffective and dangerous to we have to ration it to the patients who really need it ? There is a disconnect here .

I know that health care professionals who treat C-19 patients are taking it on their own because they are confident in it's effective use as a preventive . The drug is cheap and available . So now are we going from it is ineffective and dangerous to we have to ration it to the patients who really need it ? There is a disconnect here .
Your source that says healthcare professionals are taking hydroxychloroquine? You know them personally?

. No physician in his right mind would prescribe a pill that has so many nasty side effects for a sitting president who is "in excellent health."
You really overstate the danger from side effects . As you know any tv add of a drug spends more time on disclaimers of adverse effects than the add itself. From what I am told the danger of the side effects are primarily for long term usage like those who take it for lupus . If aspirin was a new drug it would be prescription and the side effect listing would almost be as long.

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html

You really overstate the danger from side effects . As you know any tv add of a drug spends more time on disclaimers of adverse effects than the add itself. From what I am told the danger of the side effects are primarily for long term usage like those who take it for lupus . If aspirin was a new drug it would be prescription and the side effect listing would almost be as long.

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html
WG: Your source that says healthcare professionals are taking hydroxychloroquine? You know them personally?
In other words, you don't know.

Please take it for a month and let us know how it's working for you. I don't need it and wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole!

Your source that says healthcare professionals are taking hydroxychloroquine? You know them personally?
No never said I did . And if Trump had an underlying cardiac
arrhythmia issue then his doctor should advise against it . Otherwise it appears to be an effective course for people who may be otherwise have a high risk of exposure .

I know that health care professionals who treat C-19 patients are taking it on their own because they are confident in it's effective use as a preventive

Hmmmmm........still no names - and pretty vague.

No never said I did . And if Trump had an underlying cardiac
arrhythmia issue then his doctor should advise against it . Otherwise it appears to be an effective course for people who may be otherwise have a high risk of exposure .
A cardiac arrhythmia issue isn't a problem for him yet (as far as we know from dear Dr. Bornstein), but if he keeps taking hydroxychloroquine (if indeed he is), it WILL very possibly BECOME one. The way he was blinking his eyes and repeatedly closing them during his pronouncement yesterday, he may already be displaying the side effects of blurred vision and increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid.

Btw, today Pence was asked if he too is taking hydroxychloroquine:

Asked in a Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-says-hes-not-taking-hydroxychloroquine) interview if he was taking the drug, Pence said, "I'm not. But I would never begrudge any American taking the advice of their physician." "My physician has not recommended that, but I wouldn't hesitate to take the counsel of my doctor," he said. "Any American should do likewise."

In other words, "No, thanks."

A cardiac arrhythmia issue isn't a problem for him yet (as far as we know from dear Dr. Bornstein), but if he keeps taking hydroxychloroquine (if indeed he is), it WILL very possibly BECOME one. The way he was blinking his eyes and repeatedly closing them during his pronouncement yesterday, he may already be displaying the side effects of blurred vision and increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid.I imagine Trump will continue to listen to his experienced, high quality physician, but you can call and advise him if you feel it is needed.

I imagine Trump will continue to listen to his experienced, high quality physician, but you can call and advise him if you feel it is needed.
If they're that wonderful, I'd advise him to get even healthier by taking two or three a day.

Well by all means call them and let them know! 8D

Well by all means call them and let them know! 8D
Don't tempt me. I love to call people (it's the librarian in me). I'd even call YOU!
.

please don't tell me you would go that far?

Clete you see Trump says he is taking the cocktail after consulting with his physician and the left interprets that as he is drinking fish tank cleaner . The truth is that if we waited for them this would be a 2 year shutdown (or at least until October ;as their only concern here is the opportunity to defeat Trump in November ;not the possibility of a treatment ...that can wait .) Once the card board cut out they will nominate becomes POTUS ,all of a sudden the narrative will change to how effective quinine has been .... as it has been for a century in treating various disease .

Clete you see Trump says he is taking the cocktail after consulting with his physician and the left interprets that as he is drinking fish tank cleaner .

Be more accurate to say most people think the dufus is hocking fish oil, like he hocks other things like water, steaks, and ties, phony schools, sports, or his own charity.


The truth is that if we waited for them this would be a 2 year shutdown (or at least until October ;as their only concern here is the opportunity to defeat Trump in November ;not the possibility of a treatment ...that can wait .)


The real truth is that dems are watching repubs reopen at warp speed and hock a phony treatment with no evidence that it works, to hide the fact that the real danger is spikes in infections with no way to stop it. Repubs are so desperate they are willing to sacrifice others for a return to making MO'MONEY, without spending a dime on health and safety.


Once the card board cut out they will nominate becomes POTUS ,all of a sudden the narrative will change to how effective quinine has been .... as it has been for a century in treating various disease .

Making the dufus a one term president is a laudable goal for the politics and policy of the country just as it was for the repubs to obstruct Obama for the same political end right?

The truth is that if we waited for them this would be a 2 year shutdown (or at least until October ;as their only concern here is the opportunity to defeat Trump in November Exactly correct. The left will do anything to gain power.

Repubs will do anything to keep power. Lot at stake politically for both parties. Repubs have a disadvantage though I think, with dismissing this virus and pushing for people to go back to work and risk sickness and death. I just don't think that will be so well received in general, though popular with some out of a very real fear of being unable to maintain or sustain the fruits of their labor. Who gets blamed for the execution of the congresses actions will also be crucial as we have seen Mnuchin say he hasn't spent a large portion of funds of the second round of relief money, and rich guys scarfed up the first round money sent to banks who catered to favored clients. Add to that the states budgets being decimated by the virus, and the antiquated safety net systems being overwhelmed you have a recipe for a slow response bordering on incompetence.

Doesn't help that the dufus peddles snake oil and badmouths everybody who questions his warp speed opening of the economy, while censoring the truth about the virus. Breeding fear, through uncertainty and chaos. Such divisiveness, when we need unity seldom works well for anyone.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/army-researchers-may-have-discovered-new-coronavirus-killing-antibodies?fbclid=IwAR1qYZ2BMQv_q855JnbUqmcPBcUQSn eUv4ltMIsI0IW9VqmlBxQc7ibTNg0

You implying America can succeed despite whatever the dufus does? I think I've said that before. Be nice to remove him, his noise, and antics from the equation but that's hard since he loves to dominate the air waves. Then we have these squabbles popping up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/doj-warns-california-that-re-opening-could-discriminate-against-religious-groups/ar-BB14kK6b?ocid=msedgntp

and

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/states-accused-of-fudging-or-bungling-covid-19-testing-data/2365369/

all of a sudden the narrative will change to how effective quinine has been .... as it has been for a century in treating various disease .


Tom, you do know the difference between quinine and hydroxychloroquin, don't you?

Oh, and btw, there's no point in posting a link to Trump News since that cable channel has zero credibility.

Much better to post links for those famously impartial sites like NBC, NYTimes, CNN, or, best of all, the Washington Post. If there is an outlet with any less credibility than NBC, I haven't heard of it.

If there is an outlet with any less credibility than NBC, I haven't heard of it.

It's FOX (aka Trump) News. now you've heard of it.

Didn't meet the criteria.

After Chuck Todd's disgraceful performance of last weekend, I'm amazed that anyone watches it other than the "I hate Trump" crowd.

Didn't meet the criteria.

After Chuck Todd's disgraceful performance of last weekend, I'm amazed that anyone watches it other than the "I hate Trump" crowd.

I'm amazed how you far right loonies ignore Trump's now 18,000+ documented lies, half-truths, and omissions - and you equate his record with some obscure Democrat who was caught in one lie.

Same with FOX (TRUMP) NEWS - they have been lying on a DAILY basis for at least three and a half years and you equate that record with one lie (which, btw, drew an apology - has FOX EVER apologized?) from MSNBC.

You have a curious way of doing math.

Anybody's math would be curious if they had their head shoulder deep up dufus A$$ for 3 years. Of course those so afflicted will never deny it, but they will deny everything about the dufus. I have PROOF!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/

Or to be charitable, maybe the loons figured out a way to keep the dufus from peeing on their head and claiming it's raining!

I don't care if you don't like the source . I note that when I post from Fox the content is never disputed . But if it makes you feel better ;here is an alt link Maybe you can stop boring us with your critiques of Fox news . It really is tedious. Do you dispute the content ? Of course not .


https://www.techtimes.com/articles/249737/20200519/breaking-18-new-covid-19-antibodies-discovered-by-us-army-sars-antibody-also-found.htm

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200417005586/en/Sermo-Reports-One-Quarter-Global-Physicians-Agree-Healthcare

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200417005586/en/Sermo-Reports-One-Quarter-Global-Physicians-Agree-Healthcare
So helpful and positive!*smirk*

"There is little data about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has cited cardiotoxicity as a leading concern with the treatment, particularly in patients with underlying health issues and immunosuppression."

And healthcare workers take it voluntarily??? They must be Republican.

Also, from that same source:

"According to this week’s Sermo (https://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sermo.com&esheet=52205705&newsitemid=20200417005586&lan=en-US&anchor=Sermo&index=1&md5=f35830d43d24457ad91b8ca9d81bb891) COVID-19 Real Time Barometer (https://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=https%3A%2F%2Fapp.sermo.com%2Fcovid19-barometer%3Futm_campaign%3Dwwwsermo_covid19&esheet=52205705&newsitemid=20200417005586&lan=en-US&anchor=COVID-19+Real+Time+Barometer&index=2&md5=be5917e18dd4c64aa5131ec72b0ba249) of 5,158 physicians, one-quarter of global physicians agree that healthcare workers should take hydroxychloroquine to prevent COVID-19 infections with 50% having used or seen hydroxychloroquine used in their professional settings since March 25, 2020."

Um, what's one quarter of 5,158?

Um, what's one quarter of 5,158?

Ya beat me to it, Girl of Wonder.

I think the claim of widespread use of the dufus drug by heath care professionals to prevent infections is a gross exaggeration. I suppose that's why the WH is looking for doctors to support reopening the economy without meeting health benchmarks.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/5/19/21264399/pro-trump-doctors-reopening-economy-coronavirus

18,000+ documented lies, half-truths, and omissionsAnd that would be located where?

Must be a slow day if you guys are still talking about the pres taking hydroxycholorquine. He cleared it with his doctor, a man who, unlike any of you, spent his entire adult life studying medicine. That's good enough for me, but I guess all of you professional healthcare experts will continue to talk about for one reason and one reason only: It involves Trump.

Must be a slow day if you guys are still talking about the pres taking hydroxycholorquine. He cleared it with his doctor, a man who, unlike any of you, spent his entire adult life studying medicine.
Nope. His personal doctor refused to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for him, so he prevailed upon a WH doctor "after having several discussions with him."

I maintain Trump is taking (IF he is actually taking) something shaped like hydroxychloroquine, such as glucosamine or acetaminophen. The WH doctor certainly isn't insane!

He is the pres, like it or not and our greatest freedom is to criticize him for all the dumb stuff he says and does. Lying constantly is certainly one of those things and over his presidency hardly a day goes by that he isn't caught in a lie, half truth, or dumb statement.

He is a proven consistent liar! This is but one of many articles available on THAT subject.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/donald-trump-lies-fact-check/index.html

I maintain Trump is taking (IF he is actually taking) something shaped like hydroxychloroquine, such as glucosamine or acetaminophen. The WH doctor certainly isn't insane!Yes. I'm sure that's true. They came up with a Tylenol shaped like a hydroxychloroquine pill in order to fool WG, but she caught on to them, clever woman that she is!!

You really believe that?

Yes. I'm sure that's true. They came up with a Tylenol shaped like a hydroxychloroquine pill in order to fool WG, but she caught on to them, clever woman that she is!!

You really believe that?
Yep! His personal doctor said no. The WH doctor was smart enough to "prescribe" a placebo, IF Trump is taking anything at all -- or is just trying to drive up hydroxychloroquine's market share by saying he's taking it.

Hmmm. I think someone else might need a doctor. Just sayin.

Hmmm. I think someone else might need a doctor. Just sayin.
Please call your primary and ask him to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for you.

And that would be located where?

(The above is from Jl re the location of Trump's 18,000+ documented lies, half-truths, and omissions.)

Glad to oblige. Here's the main list.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

There are others - from Politifact, The Toronto Star, Bill Moyers, Politico, Buzzfeed, The Daily Wire, The New York Times - all from various stages in Trump's presidency. FactCheck.org has the recent lies re Codiv-19 updated to today.

The Washington Post is the most complete since they've been tracking the lies since day one of the presidency.

One of my favorites is Forbes reporting on Trump claiming he was first in his class at Wharton. That was a whopper!

Enjoy.

They put this forward as being a prime example. “Hydroxychloroquine -- I don't know, it's looking like it's having some good results. That would be a phenomenal thing.” In what way is that a false claim? There have been studies which indicate that could very well be true. Sure makes the whole thing seem bogus.


One of my favorites is Forbes reporting on Trump claiming he was first in his class at Wharton. That was a whopper!Then no doubt you are even more dismayed at Biden's claim to have graduated in the upper half of his class (76th out of 85) with three degrees (only one), of being named outstanding student in the Political Science Department (nope), and of being on a full academic scholarship (it was a half scholarship)? Oh wait. I forgot that you operate with a double standard in politics. My bad.

They put this forward as being a prime example. “Hydroxychloroquine -- I don't know, it's looking like it's having some good results. That would be a phenomenal thing.” In what way is that a false claim? There have been studies which indicate that could very well be true. Sure makes the whole thing seem bogus.
Wow! The solid medical science information in that makes my brain hurt!

This will REALLY make it hurt.

India Authorizes Hydroxy-Chloroquine For Coronavirus Infection Prevention.
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/hydroxy-chloroquine-approved-asymptomatic-household-contacts-laboratory-confirmed-covid-19-patients

Some confusion here since this drug has been shown to be effective in treating the infected, logic may suggest it might be a preventative and in India malaria is endemic so I can see why they might use it but should I take penicillin also just in case

They put this forward as being a prime example. “Hydroxychloroquine -- I don't know, it's looking like it's having some good results. That would be a phenomenal thing.” In what way is that a false claim? There have been studies which indicate that could very well be true. Sure makes the whole thing seem bogus.

And studies that reported patients dying from the drug - Brazil and the VA. Still think the whole thing is bogus?

And what about the 17,999 lies you failed to mention?


Then no doubt you are even more dismayed at Biden's claim to have graduated in the upper half of his class (76th out of 85) with three degrees (only one), of being named outstanding student in the Political Science Department (nope), and of being on a full academic scholarship (it was a half scholarship)? Oh wait. I forgot that you operate with a double standard in politics. My bad.

No, I'm far more dismayed with Trump who is lying as I type this. Biden was reported by the Washington Post at the time which was about 35 years ago. Do you have a list citing Biden's other thousands to keep up with lyin' Donald? Maybe from a little more recently? No, I didn't think so.

Once a Liar always a liar so it doesn't matter, once you are caught out you are a liar

His statement was that, "it's looking like it's having some good results." There is plenty of evidence to support that. To say it's a lie is ridiculous, and it makes it obvious that those 18,000 lies are more a matter of a difference of opinion.

Here's another example of a so-called lie from the Post. "I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they're doing. They've been doing a great job. I guess we're close to 90 percent anyway. And the states that we're talking about are not in jeopardy. No, I would leave it to the governors.”

The Post took issue with that since any state could become a hotspot and thus is in jeapordy. That's like saying that a volcano could erupt in any state at any time, and so no state is really safe. Another ridiculous example. So no, I don't accept the silly figure of 18,000 lies. And by the way, the Post said "lies and misleading statements", which is another fly in the ointment.

The dufus can take whatever he wants and finding someone to write him a script AND monitor him through it is his business. You have the same choice to make between you and your own doctor, but realize that if it doesn't work as planned tough, and if it does, good for you. That same data and much more doesn't show what the dufus says though, his miracle drugs actually works. I know everybody and his mama is giving it a try mostly from desperation and a lack of other good options and why not? Aren't we pretty helpless against this viral invader?

I suspect the point of the exercise from the dufus is to convince you that taking this miracle drug will allow you to get your arses back to work faster, and safely. The illogic here is though while a doctor can treat side effects pretty well, you must report them first, and no surprise doctors prefer administering this drug in a hospital setting so a patient can be monitored, and dosages and treatments adjusted and that's the key here. The science is down for safely taking this drug for certain conditions and medical issues, but not for this virus. All the links presented by our members bear that out quite well, and should not be ignored despite the news of what others intend to do.

Ignore the numbers of sickness and deaths as the latest data shows a rise, and all the common sense instructions slow walked to the public from the CDC, after being scrubbed by this WH, and get our economy rolling again, so he can have his main political talking point back.

As we know he also is threatening states that consider allowing for mail in voting citing fraud as a huge issue, but we all know repubs have done everything to close more dmv's in minority zip codes, and create long lines in minority zip codes to suppress the vote. I mean the dufus has said that the more people that vote the less likely a repub can get elected, and that's always been the repub party mantra and tactics that go with it. Repubs have signaled how far they will go to suppress the vote and have done so in many ways and not to say dems don't have their own tricks and traps, but nowhere as onerous as repubs to date.

No secret my solution to our problems is dump the dufus and his sycophants and give us the best chance to be great again. 3 years and counting is more than enough of this nonsense for me.

And here's the next one. “The military shelves were also empty. We had no ammunition, literally. And that was said by one of your favorite generals. 'We have -- sir, we have no ammunition.'” Even the Post agrees that Trump was highlighting a legit problem. He is guilty of exaggeration, but I imagine he felt he was speaking to people who understood that the military was not out of bullets in absolute terms. A lie? Hardly.


Now Chuck Todd's discussion of Barr's comments is a good example of either lying or journalistic utter incompetence.

And then the next one. “Our. Our. It means the United States of America. And then we take that 'our' and we distribute it to the states.” The Post goes on to say that Trump was covering for his son in law's statement from the previous day and calls it "misleading spin". Yeah, like no pol ever engages in "misleading spin".

If you really want me to take this stuff seriously, then you'll have to do a lot better than that load of garbage.

In the meantime, Biden is reportedly strongly considering that famous porn-author Stacey Abrams to be his VP pick. But that would preclude the support of one on this board who stated, "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Yep. That would rule out Ms. Abrams, even with her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something, but then if a record of achievement was really important, Biden wouldn't be the nominee.

And here's the next supposed big whopper. "Now, they [New York] had a chance to order ventilators over the years. They had a chance to order a very big -- but they didn't choose to do it....I wish they did the original orders three years ago. They would've had all the ventilators they needed.” There is nothing false about that statement. This was, they say, repeated six times, so it counts as six "lies or misleading statements". That's true of most of their examples. Say the same statement ten times, and they will count it as ten and not one.

Lunacy. The 18,000 figure is shown clearly to be liberal fantasy.

Now Chuck Todd's discussion of Barr's comments is a good example of either lying or journalistic utter incompetence.

For which he apologized and you refuse to forgive.

...Ms. Abrams, even with her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something, but then if a record of achievement was really important, Biden wouldn't be the nominee.
She's written seven romantic suspense novels and three non-fiction books, all available on Amazon. Also, all of her books are on the database WorldCat (OCLC), and were published by large, reputable publishers. Wikipedia lists her many other political and business/legal achievements.

She's written seven romantic suspense novels and three non-fiction books, all available on Amazon. She writes romance novels? Well then of course she should be VP. She's written six books (total sales about 100,000 so not big hits) about nothing of real importance. The title of one of them is The Art of Desire. I wonder what that's about?

I notice you did not touch this: "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Any thoughts on that comment from your buddy, especially as it would relate to Abrams?

His statement was that, "it's looking like it's having some good results." There is plenty of evidence to support that. To say it's a lie is ridiculous, and it makes it obvious that those 18,000 lies are more a matter of a difference of opinion.

It was a half-truth. Can't you read?

She writes romance novels? Well then of course she should be VP. She's written six books (total sales about 100,000 so not big hits) about nothing of real importance. The title of one of them is The Art of Desire. I wonder what that's about?
You can read the summary of it on Amazon.

I have several friends who are published romance authors and who write intriguing stories. That genre is quite popular in Libraryland. We had patrons who brought in shopping bags that they filled up with romances, both hardcover and paperback, then checked them out.

I notice you did not touch this: "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Any thoughts on that comment from your buddy, especially as it would relate to Abrams?
It wasn't a comment to follow up on. Miss Abrams doesn't "tell the rest of us how to act and what to do." Please read up on all her successful initiatives. If you'd accomplished all she has, I'd vote for YOU, JL.

Here's another example of a so-called lie from the Post. "I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they're doing. They've been doing a great job. I guess we're close to 90 percent anyway.

Close to 90 percent???????


The Post took issue with that since any state could become a hotspot and thus is in jeapordy. That's like saying that a volcano could erupt in any state at any time, and so no state is really safe. Another ridiculous example.

What is ridiculous is your volcano comparison. Next.


So no, I don't accept the silly figure of 18,000 lies.

Hmmm. You don't like 2 or 3 so, in your mind, all 18,000 are "silly"? I notice how you avoided the obvious ones, keying on the half-truths and the misleading ones. And how about the 5 or 10 other sources who documented Trump's lies?


And by the way, the Post said "lies and misleading statements", which is another fly in the ointment.

Only you know what that's supposed to mean. Have you gotten to all the lies yet? Or just a few.


If you really want me to take this stuff seriously, then you'll have to do a lot better than that load of garbage.

That "load of garbage" contains just about every lie that Trump has told during his presidency. You can cherry-pick all you want, but you can't undo the lies your hero has made.

In the meantime, Biden is reportedly strongly considering that famous porn-author Stacey Abrams

Porn author?? Did you really say that?


that would preclue the support of one on this board who stated, "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." Yep. That would rule out Ms. Abrams

No, it doesn't rule her out. Sorry. She is a good, talented woman. I never rule out good talented human beings. I rule out evil people - you know, like Barr and Pompeo, and your boy Trump.


her outstanding record of achievement which includes...well, it must surely include something

Of course, it does. Why don't you look it up?

Hmmm. You don't like 2 or 3 so, in your mind, all 18,000 are "silly"? I looked at the first five or six. None were legit. Period. So I decided that looking at the other several thousand would be an exercise in nonsense.


Porn author?? Did you really say that?Here is an excerpt from The Art of Desire. See what you think. "‘Love me,’ he demanded, taking her up once more.Afraid she did, Kell kissed him, a merger that spoke words she wasn’t ready to say aloud.
Arousal, ravenous and craven, bent to a stronger, more fragile need that consumed her. She opened for him, and he plunged inside, dragging her to him.
The rhythm caught them both, drove them to demand then offer. Endlessly, wonderfully, they fell into the greedy darkness and fought to give more than either could have imagined. An explosion, his, hers, theirs, brought twin cries and release."

Yeah. That's a really serious book.

You see, rather than just be for her since she's a liberal dem, you might want to actually look up evidence on the web. You can find more excerpts here. Who knows? She might be your kind of woman. https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/02/5-excerpts-from-stacey-abramss-hilarious-romance-novels/#disqus_thread



Of course, it does. Why don't you look it up?
You no doubt know all about her accomplishments except, of course, that you don't and can't name a single thing other than writing porn novels.


No, it doesn't rule her out.Well it most certainly does. Those are your words. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table..." Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

BTW, I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I voted for him since the dems could evidently find no one more suitable to the task that HC. I'll vote for him again rather than vote for JB, a man who is far, far past his prime, if he ever had one.

It wasn't a comment to follow up on. Miss Abrams doesn't "tell the rest of us how to act and what to do." Please read up on all her successful initiatives. If you'd accomplished all she has, I'd vote for YOU, JL.Of course it wasn't. Fat-shaming is perfectly fine as long as one of the three amigos does it. She doesn't tell us how to act? Really? Read the link below and then come back and talk about that.

Her successful initiatives? Funny that you don't seem to know any. Read up on them? Why should I do your work? You're the one saying she has accomplished great things without being able to name a single one.

I hope you steered your library customers away from "romance" novels and onto something that might actually profit their lives.


https://www.ontheissues.org/Stacey_Abrams.htm

I looked at the first five or six. None were legit. Period. So I decided that looking at the other several thousand would be an exercise in nonsense.

You looked at 5 or 6, then decided the remaining thousands were nonsense? You're quite the Houdini, aren't you? What you DID do was look at many, found ones that were only half-truths, and dropped the outright lies. Now THAT'S being a Houdini!


Here is an excerpt from The Art of Desire. See what you think. "‘Love me,’ he demanded, taking her up once more.Afraid she did, Kell kissed him, a merger that spoke words she wasn’t ready to say aloud.
Arousal, ravenous and craven, bent to a stronger, more fragile need that consumed her. She opened for him, and he plunged inside, dragging her to him.
The rhythm caught them both, drove them to demand then offer. Endlessly, wonderfully, they fell into the greedy darkness and fought to give more than either could have imagined. An explosion, his, hers, theirs, brought twin cries and release."

I quoted your entire paragraph so others could see what you determine is pornography. As usual, you have revealed yourself unwittingly. You're really just a dirty old man, aren't you?


Yeah, that's a really serious book.

Nobody said it was literature. Romance genre was the comment.


You see, rather than just be for her since she's a liberal dem

I never said I'm for her as VP - doing your Houdini bit again?


now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

Do I detect a bit of racism here? If so, it's not surprising.


BTW, I am not a fan of Donald Trump.

This is the funniest thing you've ever said. A reminder of the old saying, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck."

You looked at 5 or 6, then decided the remaining thousands were nonsense? You're quite the Houdini, aren't you? What you DID do was look at many, found ones that were only half-truths, and dropped the outright lies. Now THAT'S being a Houdini!I looked at the FIRST five or six, and I'm sure that is five or six more than you looked at. And yeah, looking at the next few thousand did seem pretty foolish. When you've finished reviewing them, give us a summary.


I quoted your entire paragraph so others could see what you determine is pornography. As usual, you have revealed yourself unwittingly. You're really just a dirty old man, aren't you? It was actually not my paragraph. It was HER paragraph. Now perhaps you don't think that is porn. That's fine if you want to be blind, but as usual, when you are wrong, then someone else is at fault. But like I said, I really think she might be your kind of woman.


Nobody said it was literature. Romance genre was the comment.So it's not literature, and Romance is not a genre of literature? Wow. Glad to find that out. Be sure to tell WG.


I never said I'm for her as VP - doing your Houdini bit again?I didn't say you wanted her to be VP, so learn to read more carefully. I just said you were "for her" which you plainly seem to be and clearly leaped right up to her defense. But if you are not, then fine. I'm glad to find that out.

I'm still embarrassed for you to come out as a liberal dem and yet fat shame people the way you did. Whatever you do, don't repeat that line at any of the progressive parties you go to. You will be put upon severely. 8D

It was actually not my paragraph. It was HER paragraph. Now perhaps you don't think that is porn. That's fine if you want to be blind, but as usual, when you are wrong, then someone else is at fault. But like I said, I really think she might be your kind of woman.
You apparently have never seen or read porn. That doesn't even come close. I suggest you take a ride over to your public library and look through their romance collection. Oh, and be sure to check out and read a book in 364.1523. If you consider Selena Montgomery's romances porn, there's a whole new adventure ahead of you!

So it's not literature, and Romance is not a genre of literature? Wow. Glad to find that out. Be sure to tell WG.
You had said: Yeah, that's a really serious book. Thus, Athos' reply. You are twisting his words and their meaning.

You apparently have never seen or read porn. That doesn't even come close. I suggest you take a ride over to your public library and look through their romance collection. Oh, and be sure to check out and read a book in 364.1523. If you consider Selena Montgomery's romances porn, there's a whole new adventure ahead of you!Any vivid description of sex outside of science lit qualifies as porn. Did you bother to read the other excerpts I linked?

His response was, "Nobody said it was literature." Would anyone have needed to? It's trash in my view, but you are welcome to believe it is a serious work if you want to.

Any vivid description of sex outside of science lit qualifies as porn.
Time to make a law forbidding women from reading romances. That's what gets them "in the mood." Oops, now she's unexpectedly and unhappily pregnant, and wants an abortion -- all because those scintillating romantic romps she was reading got her juices flowing, and she delighted her husband with new adventures in their bedroom. Yup, gotta outlaw those romance novels! No romance, no pregnancies.

Yep. Time to see a doctor for sure.

Yep. Time to see a doctor for sure.
Nope, no more real-life romps for the invigorated readers!

Cancel your subscription to cable folks it's filled with sex drugs and rock and roll but mostly porn and foul language.

strange how art mirrors life

Not so strange given people do what they do and express it in all kinds of ways. Like all those necked ancient statutes and painting that are considered art.

Some confusion here since this drug has been shown to be effective in treating the infected, logic may suggest it might be a preventative and in India malaria is endemic so I can see why they might use it but should I take penicillin also just in case

No you can build resistance to penicillin .

Hydroxychloroquine on the other hand has been used as a preventive for years against malaria .

Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals and the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford will be conducting a clinical trial using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine on health care workers who are exposed to C-19 patients The trial involves researchers from the UK, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Italy .The trial is open to anyone delivering direct care to C-19 patients in the UK, as long as they have not been diagnosed with C-19.There will be 40,000 people in the study. It will test whether the drugs can prevent healthcare workers exposed to the virus from contracting it.

It is amazing to me that a potential treatment is mired in politics to the point that it is affecting the study of the drug. Dr Jon Giles ,a clinical researcher and epidemiologist at Columbia University was ready to begin a study in April .Initially he was getting plenty of calls from interested participants . But when he was ready to begin ;he found that subjects were telling him the garbage they have been hearing about the drug on TV and seeing on the net ;that the drug is dangerous to your heart and that it is dangerous . Just a month before that patients who regularly take the drug could not fulfill their prescriptions ;the demand for the drug being so high . Then the committee that was overseeing the study gave him a new requirement ;that all participants had to have had an ECG within the last year . He gave up on the study even though he knew from prescribing the drug for years that heart problems were not an issue with his patients.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/859261838/hydroxychloroquine-debate-interferes-with-recruiting-research-volunteers


This is happening all over the nation . Politics has become a hinderance to good science. Studies have been cancelled or delayed not because it is bad science . The perception is that if the President touts it then it must be bad .

The perception is that if the President touts it then it must be bad .That is so true. Better that the drug not work so the pres looks bad than for the drug to work and the pres look good. The objective is that at all costs, Trump will look bad.

In the meantime, Biden has now accepted the role of deciding who gets to be called "black".

In the meantime, Biden has now accepted the role of deciding who gets to be called "black".

Biden is a card board cut out .His participation in the election will be insignificant . The election is Trump v Trump. It is a referendum on how he did his 1st 3 1/2 years . All I keep on hearing is how quid pro Joe is out polling Trump. But those polls miss the point. Very few can be persuaded . It all comes down again to a hand full of swing states . If "quid" doesn't win PA he is toast . The electoral math gets too complicated .

PA (except for the collar counties of Philly ) is an energy state ,including his home town of Scranton ..... So what does the Einstein do ? He names the 2 commies AOC and Bolshevik Bernie as his climate change task force advisors last week . The 2 of them despise fracking and carbon energy . GENIOUS !!! "Quid" had indicated he wanted a middle ground to which AOC squawked at a Biden rally "I will be damned, if the same politicians who refused to act (in past decades) are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle of the road approach to save our lives."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bernie-sanders-green-new-deal-rally/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bernie-sanders-green-new-deal-rally/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3aixkAO3v9tVXlOXv8Len79HZ4f-oT8uZTDPrNyMZBFtRqFJ2PT-r1hBc)

He can't have it both ways . He is a gaffe machine but no one on the other side will be persuaded by the things he says or the creepy way he has abused women and young girls over the years .

Yawn...let me know when you find some real science, real facts, and real news. High hopes, anecdotes just don't cut it. There is a real purpose for hydroxy, several as a matter of fact, just not verified for covid19. Studies and trials generally take years so relax on the warp speed crap from the snake oils salesman. Anything to get those minorities and poor people back to work and not give 'em any gobment handouts.

" Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."

The above is a fascinating quote from Jl as he criticizes Stacey Abrams.

We already knew Jl is a misogynist, based on his need for Biblical approval for a job for his wife, his hatred of democrats and liberals is well-known, but his inclusion of "black" among his negatives is one many of us suspected. The racist in him can't be hidden forever even tho hoods and dunce caps are no longer the thing. These days it's more hidden and subtle.

Redneck racist can now be added to his other epithet of "Judas" (for his joy in betraying Christ by condemning billions of humans to eternal torture in an eternal hell).

" Now I'm sure you just neglected to add, "unless, of course, they are a liberal, black, female dem, in which case I learn to love their gluttony."



The above is a fascinating quote from Jl as he criticizes Stacey Abrams.

You must remember that my "fascinating quote" was a response to this hateful remark of yours. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." When I asked you if that ruled out Ms. Abrams, you of course felt it didn't. Well, she certainly fits your description, so you'll need to tell us why she gets a free pass from you.

The rest of your rant was just the usual attempt to deflect attention away from your cruel comment. You engaged in fat-shaming and I'm really surprised to see a dyed in the wool liberal like you do such a thing. I suppose you consider yourself superior to everyone heavier than you?

Your final sentence is just an example of your shameless tendency to make up a quote and then attribute it to me. You really should try writing fiction. You're off to a great start!! Stacy Abrams could probably give you some pointers.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB14CdDU.img?h=832&w=1248&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=1396&y=896

[QUOTE=jlisenbe;3853292]You must remember that my "fascinating quote" was a response to this hateful remark of yours. "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza." When I asked you if that ruled out Ms. Abrams, you of course felt it didn't. Well, she certainly fits your description, so you'll need to tell us why she gets a free pass from you.

The rest of your rant was just the usual attempt to deflect attention away from your cruel comment. You engaged in fat-shaming and I'm really surprised to see a dyed in the wool liberal like you do such a thing. I suppose you consider yourself superior to everyone heavier than you?

Your final sentence is just an example of your shameless tendency to make up a quote and then attribute it to me. You really should try writing fiction. You're off to a great start!! Stacy Abrams could probably give you some pointers.[bulling tactics. /QUOTE]

Kind of disgusting telling someone what and who they should comment on! I mean you have ignored the thousands upon thousands of dufus lies, while attacking everybody else's responses.

You're just like your dufus, you bad mouth and bully and get mad when they throw your rocks back. Is there a scripture for that?

The truth stings, doesn't it, Judas? Time to get your head out of the Dufus' arse.

Poor Athos. You lied like dog about Aquinas, and you're still bitter that you got caught in your outrageous lie. I think you are accustomed to the other two amigos fawning over your every statement. Well I don't, and should I need to find out some truth, I would never go to you.

Your final statement is amusing because it tells me what it told me about Tal. I know I got to you, and that gives me at least some sense of satisfaction. You have no answers, so you have to resort to insults. I'll let you and Tal discuss your favorite subject of "arses" (I'm so glad I didn't come up with that!) and pay attention to the adults on this site. What sad little men you are.

I'm still convinced you are under great conviction. I really feel sorry for you.

Poor Athos. You lied like dog about Aquinas,

No, not a lie, just something you couldn't understand. And you are far more obsessed with A than I ever was, and I studied the guy!


Your final statement is amusing because it tells me what it told me about Tal. I know I got to you, and that gives me at least some sense of satisfaction. You have no answers, so you have to resort to insults. I'll let you and Tal discuss your favorite subject of "arses" (I'm so glad I didn't come up with that!) and pay attention to the adults on this site. What sad little men you are.

The Lady doth protest too much.


I'm still convinced you are under great conviction.

Only you Bible thumpers know whatever that's supposed to mean. You throw it out there when you've run out of intelligent things to say. It's a common tactic among your ilk.


I really feel sorry for you.

No, you don't. Talk about lying! You're enraged at me (and others) because you've been challenged and defeated by most of the people here - in one way or another.

so you'll need to tell us why she gets a free pass from you.

Be glad to.

Stacey Abrams gets a pass because she is a good, decent person who speaks the truth and has the best interests of her followers in mind. She has a wonderful sparkling face with the brightest of eyes and projects a terrific personality. She is overweight, and I would advise her to drop a few pounds for her health, but her weight may be the result of one of the many things women are uniquely prone to.

The other two are fat and jowly die to a lifetime of carnality - physically, mentally, and spiritually. It's easy to see in their faces and in their responses to questions. They reek of the arrogance of power and follow a man so corrupt it is hard to find suitable words. Like you, J, they also have their heads up the arse of the dufus.

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. I don't listen to someone who lies like a dog and then refuses to be man enough to admit it.


just something you couldn't understandCorrect. I don't understand why a grown adult would lie like a dog and then refuse to admit it.


She has a wonderful sparkling face with the brightest of eyes and projects a terrific personality.You should be a comedian. "Drop a few pounds????" At any rate, first you don't trust fat people, and then you love fat people. I don't even know why you would bring it up. It was a sick statement. I don't care about her weight or anyone else's weight. The fact that she has never really accomplished anything works against her for me.

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Stacey-abrams.jpg.

More scandal for the dufus?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zach-fuentes-navajo-nation-masks_n_5ec842c6c5b6913dba3cf8a2

Ms. Adams has an impressive resume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams

Google is your friend.

Hmmm. According to Biden, it was someone else's fault. Kind of reminds me of some amigos here.

Biden on controversial comments to Charlamagne tha God: 'He was being a wise guy, and I responded in kind'


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-charlamagne-tha-god-being-wise-guy-during-you-aint-black-exchange

The fact that she has never really accomplished anything works against her for me.

No, what works against her for you is that she's a black woman. Too late, J, you gave it up. As usual, unwittingly. When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Nah. Poor Athos. You're the guy with the fat comments. You actually said it, so you get to own it. I've said nothing derogatory about black people. I'm not focused on race or on body weight. I do focus on issues and track records of achievement. That's where Abrams comes up short.

Nah. Poor Athos. You're the guy with the fat comments. You actually said it, so you get to own it. I've said nothing derogatory about black people. I'm not focused on race or on body weight. I do focus on issues and track records of achievement. That's where Abrams comes up short.

I think Athos was very specific in his commentary that should not be expanded on and judged considering the characterization of Ms. Abrams life and records of accomplishments are either false, ignorant, or an intentional lie to deceive.

No judgements on which, because they all could apply and a simple Google search would have set the record straight. I mean where is the balance between a woman who write romance novels that some consider porn, and a president who screws porn stars while married and pays them for silence or services?

Seems for some it's okay for the dufus who has done the lousy deeds, but not okay for the black woman who has not.