In an unbelievable and unprecedented move, Attorney General Barr, at the request of Trump, has withdrawn the DOJ's case against Michael Flynn, the disgraced and convicted former National Security Advisor who has twice pled guilty to the charges Trump/Barr want dropped.

The basis is the lies were "immaterial". Immaterial? Like lying about contacts with Russia and Flynn's failure to disclose that he was on the payroll of a foreign country while serving as National Security Advisor? That's why Trump fired him in the first place. Trump is now saying the people responsible for bringing Flynn to justice are "scum".

Barr is a piece of evil who cares not a whit that everybody knows he's evil. Trump is a piece of evil who knows that his supporters don't care about his evil.

God save the United States of America!

One law for dufus cronies, even if they get convicted or plead guilty TWICE? Another law for everybody else? Don't even read the filing papers. Barr, or some flunkey lies better than the dufus himself.

Of course the right will eat this up and blame Obama for firing there hero in the first place. Can't wait for the judges reaction though...that should be interesting.

The Justice Department convicts Flynn. Trump, Flynn's crony, wants Flynn freed. So Barr's Justice Department "un-convicts" Flynn. Never previously done in the history of the US.

Barr belongs in a banana republic serving a dictator. But he has a wannabee dictator presently in the White House. When Barr was asked what he thinks the historians will write about this crisis and Trump's mishandling of it. Barr replied with his usual smirk, "History is written by the winners". An incredibly snide answer from the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

Trump, if possible, is worse. Trump has been a disaster from Day One. Now in these past two months or so, he has made the term "disaster" seem almost benign. This madman is indirectly killing Americans by the thousands as he completely mismanages the greatest crisis in decades.

Incredibly, Trump even went so far to say that injecting bleach into the bloodstream should be investigated. Who out there thinks this is a normal thought process for a sane human being? Other than his Republican sycophants?

In the meantime, Alan Dershowitz, a man who is a life long democrat, who voted for both Obama and HC, has studied the law all his adult life, taught law for decades at Harvard Law School, and is not blinded by an irrational, vitriolic, deep-seated hatred of Trump, concluded that Barr's only mistake was in waiting too long to dismiss the charges.


Incredibly, Trump even went so far to say that injecting bleach into the bloodstream should be investigated. Who out there thinks this is a normal thought process for a sane human being?Is suggesting a person said something that, in fact, he never said, and that he knows full well the person never said and is thus just making the whole thing up, also a "normal thought process"?

1. The esteemed Dershowitz, whom I have great respect for, has his opinion, and indeed any lawyer could make a case to justify the actions of the DOJ. Now Barr's contention is there was no basis to investigate Flynn, and that plays well on the right, who haven't even read the actual indictments against Flynn. There was a compelling case there too, and he plead guilty twice. No doubt Barr is using the DOJ at the dufus instruction to help his pal. I mean why would he plead guilty in the first place if he were innocent, and why would he even lie if his actions were legal? Simple questions unanswered? Not really, because you would really have to dismiss the Mueller report, which the dufus with Barr's help has muddied the waters, which dufus sycophants and supporters are only to willing to do. I have written it's damning of this administration and the dufus especially, but go ahead and make it about hatred for this liar and cheater. Okay Barr made his play, the ball is in the judges court, and has a reputation as good as Dershowitz does, if not as well known, so we'll see what his opinion is and his is the one that counts. Unless of course the right wants to swallow that crap dismissal filing without knowing the law or bothering to read the damn thing in the first place. I get why lowly informed partisan supporters like yourself can take that hate the dufus position. You don't read, and what you read you don't understand nor question. That's sad!

2. He said it alright, and was debunked both on the science, and viability, and moved manufacturers of the products to swiftly and publicly warn against doing what the dufus offered as dangerous even though the labels clearly say poison, and has for decades.

DUMB!

I can believe you, or I can believe Dershowitz. Hmmm. Who is smarter, much better informed and unhindered by a dark, sinister, mean hatred of Trump? I wonder if Dersh read "the damn thing"? I bet he did, and I bet he understands it MUCH better than either one of us.

He never said anything about injecting bleach into a person. If you say he did, then you are stating a falsehood, and that is definitely "DUMB".

Speaking of falsehoods, are you as aggravated at Schiff as you are at Trump? Schiff claimed REPEATEDLY that he had much and ample evidence to prove collusion between Trump and Russia. It is now becoming plainly clear that a number of high Obama officials testified that they knew of no evidence of such collusion, and that Schiff actually had nothing. Hmmm. Is lying OK as long is it is done by a liberal dem?

Believe who you want, but the grounds in which DOJ is not pursuing prosecution of Flynn after the fact, may not meet legal muster. I'll believe however the judge rules though.

He asked if a disinfectant could be injected to deal with the virus or a light applied inside the body and Birx said no, she had never heard of such an application.

Speaking of falsehoods, the dufus and Barr said Mueller exonerated the dufus of collusion and obstruction and neither was the case. Mueller did lay out why Flynn, Manafort, Gates and Stone were indicted though, and convicted or entered in a plea deal, and that blows Barr's dropping the case a political move not a legal one. As Athos said that's NEVER been done in history.

If you weren't holding your nose you would smell that rat.

The transcripts released exposed the emperor as the ring leader of the coup attempt against Trump. I hate to tell you guys . If the prosecution tampers with evidence the way Strzok did in deliberately changing the notes of Bill Priestap ; and continuing to persecute despite a lack of derogatory evidence ;that case should be thrown out every time.

The FBI had determined on Jan 4 ,well before the Jan 24 interview with Flynn that there was no case against him. Still agents were sent to interview him in what he presumed was a friendly chat and information exchange between the FBI and the incoming National Security boss. What he did not know is that he was being set up for a process crime based on his perfectly legal and logical phone conversation with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak .


The transcripts reveal that the agents knew that their purpose was to get him in a perjury trap . Their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."

What Barr did was restore a little bit of justice to a man that was subject to Soviet style justice by the emperor and the Obots who served him . To restore real justice the emperor ,Susan Rice Clapper ,Brennan ,Comey ,Sally Yates ,Peter Stzrok ,Lisa Page (oh yeah let's not forget quid pro Joe who was also in the White House meeting ) all have to be frog marched .

He asked if a disinfectant could be injected to deal with the virus or a light applied inside the body and Birx said no, she had never heard of such an application.That's closer to the truth. He definitely did not say what you alleged.


The transcripts reveal that the agents knew that their purpose was to get him in a perjury trap . Their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."Exactly correct. Anyone with a genuine concern for the rule of law should be outraged.

The judge has read the transcripts of the phone call so we will see. Glad to see you seem to be doing well Tom.

thanks


The whole plot is being revealed . Under oath Clapper ,Brennan ,Lynch ,Rice ,Rhodes and most of the cabal admitted
TO THE SCHIFF COMMITTEE that they never saw evidence of a Russian collusion !!! They all lied to us .​
Schiff repeatedly claimed that his committee had uncovered “plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy.”

Seriously? You can't be mad at dems for undermining the dufus after decades of blasting HC, and obstructing Obama at every turn.

As JL famously says all the time it's okay when conservatives do it, but not okay when the libs do it. Well that's not what he says exactly, but turnabout is fair play.

Seriously? You can't be mad at dems for undermining the dufus after decades of blasting HC, and obstructing Obama at every turn.Exactly. How could anyone be mad at the dems for outright lying, for wasting our time and money with hearings that went on for well over a year, and for defaming the names of innocent people? Why would anyone get mad about that?

Exactly. How could anyone be mad at the dems for outright lying, for wasting our time and money with hearings that went on for well over a year, and for defaming the names of innocent people? Why would anyone get mad about that?

As opposed to so called repub lies and hearings? How many hearing on Benghazi and emails and that was just HC? The dufus lies, cheats, and steals and any look at that is a conspiracy.

Cry me a river, but get your own hankie.

There was plenty of evidence for Benghazi and HC's toy email server. There was therefore something worth investigating. There was no evidence, according to all of Obama's cronies, for Russian collusion. That's not my take on it; that was theirs. The whole thing was make believe.

It is clear that it was the emperor's regime that were the lawbreakers . We knew that before and called him out on it . But the attempted coup against a duly elected President by the former regime's intel and law enforcement apparatus is unprecedented and has to be treated as the very real threat to our constitutional republic that it was .

BTW the emperor's beef against Flynn goes back to 2010 and had nothing to do with any idea of Russian interference. It was more to take out anyone of influence who opposed the emperor's policies . Flynn had been the emperor's DIA after a distinguished military career. Before that ,in 2010 ,he wrote a report critical of US intelligence in Afghanistan .It contributed to the perception that the Afghan (the so called 'good war' by the emperor)was going badly .This put him in the cross hairs of Clapper and Brennan for his attacks on the Intel community ;especially the CIA.

Despite that ,the emperor promoted Flynn to DIA .(a competitor organization to the CIA) .This dispute carried over to Syria .The emperor was saying things like ISIS was the JV team . The DIA had a completely different assessment. Further DIA was saying that the effort to arm Syrian resistance was a complete failure and the idea that the Syrian resistance was going to defeat Assad was absurd .
Then there was the attack on Benghazi ;which had been the hub of the emperor's efforts to arm the so called Free Syrian Army. The DIA pointed out that many of the arms were ending up in the hands of radical jihadists like ISIS.Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi at the bequest of the CIA to end the weapons supply from Benghazi when the attack occurred . The emperor canned Flynn because Flynn often publicly disagreed with adm polices .

But that was not enough . The emperor had a vendetta that resurfaced when Flynn joined the Trump campaign and Flynn testified to Congress about his criticism of the emperor's policies . He was also critical of the emperor's policies re :the Iran Deal . Once he joined the Trump campaign he was put under surveillance .

Flynn is your hero huh?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-warned-trump-against-hiring-mike-flynn-say-officials-n756316

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flynn-never-told-dia-russians-paid-him-say-officials-n756421

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5069871/Flynn-son-paid-15m-kidnap-cleric.html

That's my spin and I'm sticking to it.

This sums up my sentiments rather well.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/barr-openly-promotes-trumps-dictatorial-ambitions

ummm Barr filed a 48(a) .Waiting on Judge Sullivan's decision . SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that Sullivan would have to find the dismissal in bad faith ,rather than the prosecution itself being conducted in bad faith (which it definitely was and I won't bore you with the court cases involved ) . Sullivan can conceivably demand an explanation which I'm sure Barr is more than willing to provide since the whole Flynn prosecution was an extreme miscarriage of justice .

As to the other links
Yes the emperor warned Trump to not hire Flynn and I already explained his reason for hating Flynn.

The DIA knew of and approved Flynn's Russia trip to meet Putin and RT . He was debriefed before and after the trip.

Yes he did not disclose the fees RT paid and his work as an agent for Turkey. Like MANY others who have been guilty of that he deserves a slap on the wrist.

When JF Kerry as a private citizen outside of government had multiple contact with Iranians without State Dept approval ;was his home raided ? Was an attempt made to charge him with Logan Act violations ? Was he and his family threatened ?was his personal wealth destroyed to cover his defense for not registering as a foreign agent? Was his security clearance revoked ?

Tomder - Among other things, you left out Flynn acting as a secret agent for a foreign power while Trump's National Security Advisor.

Then there was Flynn's lying to Pence causing his being fired by Trump.

And, of course, Flynn involved in removing the cleric from Pennsylvania to Turkey to be tried on trumped(!)-up charges.

And being paid thousands of dollars by state-owned Russian Television. He compared RT to CNN or MSNBC. Shows you where his head is.

Responding to Tal ,the only issue you raise that was not discussed was Flynn not informing Pence that the issue of sanctions was raised during his discussion with the Russian Ambassador . That cost him his job . It was not a criminal offense . Love your use of the term "secret agent for a foreign power" . As I discussed ,his acting as an agent for a foreign power should have as much jeopardy as Kerry acting as a"secret agent for a foreign power (Iran)"

If you are a Democrat it is not an issue …..just ask the Podesta brothers . You do know that it is rare for anyone to be charged with violating the law requiring registering as a foreign agent . And when they are caught ;if their names aren't Manafort ,they usually get a slap on the wrist .


It’s more common for authorities to send a letter urging lobbyists to file necessary paperwork than jumping straight to filing criminal charges;or busting down their doors in the early morning hours while CNN cameras record footage .

flaskback .... January 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-pardons-james-cartwright-general-who-lied-to-fbi-in-leak-case.html

Responding to Tal ,the only issue you raise that was not discussed was Flynn not informing Pence that the issue of sanctions was raised during his discussion with the Russian Ambassador .

Sorry. Our posts passed each other in cyber-land.


Love your use of the term "secret agent for a foreign power"

I knew you would. I loved it too.


As I discussed ,his acting as an agent for a foreign power should have as much jeopardy as Kerry acting as a"secret agent for a foreign power (Iran)"

Then let the chips fall where they may.




It’s more common for authorities to send a letter urging lobbyists to file necessary paperwork than jumping straight to filing criminal charges;or busting down their doors in the early morning hours while CNN cameras record footage.

Good point. That CNN camera business disturbed me, too. The details re Flynn were a bit more serious than Kerry. But, like Tal says, let's wait and see what Judge Sullivan makes of the un-conviction attempt.

Regardless of what Sullivan does honest observers have to reckon with what we now know about the investigation & prosecution. Exculpatory evidence was kept from Flynn, his lawyers & the public. The FBI, and later Mueller, stoked a false narrative.

Obviously the bigger picture is derailing the Mueller report, or else the dufus simply pardons Flynn and that's the end of that. No Flynn's dealings with Turkey were not the same as Kerry and Iran.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/flynn-registered-as-foreign-agent-for-turkey-shocking-894790211888

Same story. If Obama did it, it must be OK.

Just out of curiosity, who does this judge think will prosecute the case if he refuses to drop it? Seriously, who would do the prosecuting?

His plea deal was accepted so all that's left is sentencing. The biggest hurdle would probably be convincing the judge of what they have alleged are the grounds that they are dropping the prosecution for.


Same story. If Obama did it, it must be OK.

Anything the dufus does is seldom okay, with a high probability it's illegal, or immoral.

Anything the dufus does is seldom okay,With you, nothing is OK. It just goes along with your irrational hatred of Trump.

As for Flynn, as I understand it, the case has been dropped, so there are now no existing plea deals. Plea deals are not made with the court, they are made with the prosecution.

I told you the judge decides if the dropping of the case is lawful and legal. We were well beyond the plea deal and into the sentencing phase. You and Tom have made your cases why this wasn't a legit prosecution and so has Barr. Now you wait for the judge to decide. You can trust what ever the dufus says and does all you want to, but I do not. I have to wait and see what happens just as you do, but this may not be the sycophants saving his bacon, by doing his bidding that you have seen before.

Meantime they are playing Pence's own words that Flynn lied to him all over cable news.

Lying to the VP is not a crime, and at any rate it is certainly not what Flynn was charged with. I don't think the judge has any real choice in the matter. The prosecution has pulled out, so I would think his hands are tied. We'll see.

Bottom line: If the FBI comes to my door and asks if I will be willing to "answer a few questions", the answer will be "NO". They have disgraced themselves.

1. That's what he was fired for lying to the VP, and lying to the FBI about his recorded conversation was what he was charged with and other more serious charges were not pursued because of his plea deal, and if you righty dufus supporters don't see the folly of the dufus sycophants getting a dufus crony off the hook with a bogus legal move then this country already is headed to hell in a handbasket. You aren't going to look good or like it when the judge starts asking questions and taking arguments.

Key witnesses, the prosecutor who had the case and quit, and the guy who filed the papers to drop the case.

2. If the FBI knocks on your door with questions please let us know how that works out for you. I doubt they accept your excuse.

With you, nothing is OK. It just goes along with your irrational hatred of Trump.

That "irrational hatred" is shared by about 60%+ of the public.


Plea deals are not made with the court, they are made with the prosecution.

Plea deals are approved by the court. Without the court's approval, there is no deal


I don't think the judge has any real choice in the matter. The prosecution has pulled out, so I would think his hands are tied.

Wrong. The judge has total choice in the matter. Dismissal of the case is up to the judge regardless of what the prosecution may say or do. That includes the Justice Department and AG Barr.

. If the FBI knocks on your door with questions please let us know how that works out for you. I doubt they accept your excuse.
yeah now we know to not trust them under any circumstances . Flynn assumed it was a friendly conversation between the incoming national security advisor and agents of the FBI . He had no reason to suspect otherwise as he had done nothing wrong. If he was the subject of an investigation the agents should've been upfront . What happened to Flynn was just plain wrong . You know it and I know it .



No Flynn's dealings with Turkey were not the same as Kerry and Iran.
They were worse . Kerry was a private citizen trying to undermine the administrations policies toward Iran The Logan Act (although it is without a doubt an unconstitutional law) was tailor made for acts that Kerry did .




I told you the judge decides if the dropping of the case is lawful and legal.


There is zero chance the judge will overrule the Justice Dept decision. And if he did his decision would be over-turned on appeal even if it had to go to SCOTUS . The precedence has been decided on .


Meantime they are playing Pence's own words that Flynn lied to him all over cable news.
And ? It was an administration decision to can him . It has nothing to do with his legal case .

Plea deals are approved by the court. Without the court's approval, there is no dealPlea deals are FIRST worked out with the prosecution, and then are subject to approval by the court.


Wrong. The judge has total choice in the matter. Dismissal of the case is up to the judge regardless of what the prosecution may say or do. That includes the Justice Department and AG Barr.Kind of hard to have a case without a prosecutor, and without the government bringing charges.

The judge has a right to ask what happened.

Plea deals are FIRST worked out with the prosecution, and then are subject to approval by the court.

Being FIRST, has nothing to do with your original post. You never said that and you left out the second part. As for Flynn, as I understand it, the case has been dropped, so there are now no existing plea deals.

The prosecution CANNOT "drop" a case without the court's approval. Ergo, the existing plea deals remain in force.


Kind of hard to have a case without a prosecutor, and without the government bringing charges.

The case has already taken place. The government has already brought charges. Flynn has been convicted. Your point, whatever it was, is moot.


The judge has a right to ask what happened.

Tal, this very simple fact is not getting through to some here.

Being FIRST, has nothing to do with your original post. You never said that and you left out the second part.Yes, kind of like you posted the part about the judge and not about the prosecutor. Big deal.


The prosecution CANNOT "drop" a case without the court's approval. Ergo, the existing plea deals remain in force.They just did.


Tal, this very simple fact is not getting through to some here.Because it's about on the level of saying the judge has a right to breathe, go to the bathroom, speak English, and other startling revelations. Since the average tenth grader would know that, it would seem unnecessary to point it out.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/storm-builds-around-barr-over-dropping-of-flynn-case/ar-BB13QEvd?ocid=msn360



Legal analysts say the judge has several likely options: He could grant the DOJ's motion to dismiss with little fanfare, or give it more extensive treatment with a written opinion or hearing.

Good grief. Another link. Do you not know how to put your own thoughts into words, or how to write a few sentences summing up an article?

"Legal analysts say the judge has several likely options: He could grant the DOJ's motion to dismiss with little fanfare, or give it more extensive treatment with a written opinion or hearing."

In other words, he is going to dismiss the case.

So Chuck Todd (NBC NEWS) plays an edited tape of a Bill Barr interview from CBS. He goes on to say he is struck by the "cynicism" of Barr's edited comments and the fact that he did not mention the "rule of law". Except that in the full interview, Barr DID mention the rule of law. Talk about cynicism and an irrational hatred of Trump by a supposedly professional and impartial member of the news media, that was stunning. He, of course, still has his job, even after such a disgraceful performance. It is yet another example of why so many people no longer have any trust at all for the national news media. They are a bunch of empty-headed, politically motivated individuals who have no regard for the truth. Now the big question is whether or not those here who go on endlessly about the "lying Dufus" are as concerned about the "lying media". I'm going to guess not.

The now obligatory link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iBI_JKKDq0

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Yep. No Trump hatred evident here.

It's not hatred. Lack of trust or faith on my part, would be more accurate. I have written we got the president we deserve and there is much shared blame in that regard. I don't think he is an honest, thoughtful man at all just to name a few of my concerns and his handling of the peoples business borders on antithetical to all the good people who have toiled and sacrificed for this country. In addition I've never liked bullies, so cannot support this one.

I'm only one vote and oppose the dufus on numerous fronts for numerous reasons. I've never hidden that fact nor will I.

So you voted for Hillary because she was high-character and thoughtful???

Certainly of higher character than the dufus, whose antics i knew of before her ran. He is a public figure. Plus HC was smarter by far.

What on earth did HC ever do that reflected being "smarter"?

That's easy enough to find out. Google is my friend. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)

I actually saw her in the heath care hearings in the 90's and many times since. Impressive. Not so good on the campaign trail. Let's see the dufus appear before the congress and answer questions numerous times, though he has been in court and bunch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump). Speaking of the dufus we have his lawyers, Roy Cohn (https://www.history.com/news/roy-cohn-mccarthyism-rosenberg-trial-donald-trump), Michael Cohen, and now Bill Barr. Shady is the term I use for them.

And right on cue, it's the ole "mystery link" reply. Are you utterly incapable of putting your thoughts into words, or do you simply not know?

That's easy enough to find out. Google is my friend. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)

I actually saw her in the heath care hearings in the 90's and many times since. Impressive. Not so good on the campaign trail. Let's see the dufus appear before the congress and answer questions numerous times, though he has been in court and bunch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump). Speaking of the dufus we have his lawyers, Roy Cohn (https://www.history.com/news/roy-cohn-mccarthyism-rosenberg-trial-donald-trump), Michael Cohen, and now Bill Barr. Shady is the term I use for them.

so your opinion is based on what used to be, not what is

Please clarify Clete.

Are you utterly incapable of putting your thoughts into words

Do you mean like you when asked to put in your own words that people go to hell for eternal punishment and all you can do is quote Bible verses and never put the idea in your own words - even when asked repeatedly? Is that what you mean?


so your opinion is based on what used to be, not what is

Many opinions here are based on just that - especially the past of Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Bill Clinton. Nothing new there.

Those three are not even in the same ball park when being compared to the Liar-in-Chief and his constant public inconsistencies - especially marked by his total (and killing) mismanagement of the Covid-19 crisis.

The dufus has two cases before SCOTUS as we speak Athos. One about turning over subpoenaed documents to congress, the other turning over documents to the US Attorney in a criminal investigation.

Is there a pattern emerging? Or is this more the same pattern from the dufus' history?

The same pattern.

His lawyers are arguing that Trump is above the law. That was settled 800 years ago with Magna Carta, and recently with Nixon resulting in Nixon handing over the tapes and then resigning.

Thought this was a well written insightful look into the dufus strategy to deflect his total incompetence (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-obamagate-comments-barr-s-flynn-meddling-suggest-troubling-ncna1204856) at how he has handled this crisis so far while trying to get re elected. Of course there are plenty of embedded links to follow. Maybe JL will catch on to their significance.

Please clarify Clete.

You said you were impressed by HC in the 90's, people change, what might have been true then, in different circumstances, may not be true today. HC demonstated errors in judgement in office. We all lapse as we get older, thus in the present circumstance it may not be wise to trust either old man to high office

all you can do is quote Bible verses and never put the idea in your own words - even when asked repeatedly? Is that what you mean?Do you mean like I have done several times already and you have yet to do? But I'll tell you what. I will be happy to restate my view based upon your guarantee that it will be followed by you doing likewise. Agreed?


Thought this was a well written insightful look into the dufus strategy to deflect his total incompetence (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-obamagate-comments-barr-s-flynn-meddling-suggest-troubling-ncna1204856) at how he has handled this crisis so far while trying to get re elected. Of course there are plenty of embedded links to follow. Maybe JL will catch on to their significance.An article by NBC news who has allowed Chuck Todd to remain in his job, even after one of the most disgraceful episodes of deceit I have ever seen in television? Think I'll pass on that one.

Ol' Chuck has apologized for his statements (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/497458-chuck-todd-apologizes-for-airing-edited-william-barr-clip), however dismissing the whole network for one statement is rather narrow given you still support the dufus who has never apologized for anything. I thought you thumpers could forgive when a person repents? Obviously you can forgive those that do not repent also if you want to. Maybe the one to be fired would be the dufus for hiring Barr in the first place by your logic.

You're welcome.

I guess you'll have to decide for yourself if you believe that Todd actually aired, and made a big deal out of, a video segment that he didn't bother to check out himself, or have a staff member check out. It was either shocking ignorance or willful deceit. Take your pick.

https://i.imgur.com/lv4rYI0.jpg

Ok you're a concerned citizen, we get it, but too much emphasis on the ME

I guess you'll have to decide for yourself if you believe that Todd actually aired, and made a big deal out of, a video segment that he didn't bother to check out himself, or have a staff member check out. It was either shocking ignorance or willful deceit. Take your pick.

Saw it myself during his regular afternoon daily show. Better than any apology, regret the dufus has ever expressed so you take your own pick between your highly conflated one event and the dufus HISTORY.


Ok you're a concerned citizen, we get it, but too much emphasis on the ME

His choices sums it up Clete, concerns over the virus and its deadly consequences and economic effects and government tyranny all of which is squarely on the shoulders of the dufus.

concerns over the virus and its deadly consequences and economic effects and government tyranny all of which is squarely on the shoulders of the dufus.If you keep walking through life with your eyes closed then you are going to continue bumping into sharp objects.

My eyes are open to the cause and effects on humans in this crisis environment. It's tough on us all to some degree, be it financial, emotional, mental, physical, or spiritual.

I apppreciate the size and scope of the challenge.

I appreciate the size and scope of the challenge.

The challenge is within us, our response must be measured, not the knee-jerks we are seeing

So Joe Biden, after much thought (no doubt) about who would be best qualified to formulate energy and climate policies, has decided to name AOC to that position. You just can't make this stuff up.

So much for the dismissal of the Flynn case out of hand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/politics/michael-flynn-john-gleeson-judge.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200513&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=91599845&segment_id=27716&user_id=4fda7a71dac2f5f1434969268de5c8c3

And so much for the rule of law when a supposedly impartial judge begins to advocate AGAINST a defendant and against the government. Absurd.

The rule of law is the issue here as the notion a judge just goes along with a petition without insuring it meets that rule of law would be what's absurd. Indeed it's the rule of law that allows judges the leeway to verify the legality of actions taken by both sides of the argument. Is that not the very definition of impartiality? You may see whatever the dufus says and does as legal and correct, yet you balk at verifying if it does meet the required standard of law.

Facts over feelings my friend, and the process of verification under the law proceeds.

The rule of law is the issue Last week SCOTUS ruled 9-0 with Ginsburg authoring the majority opinion coming down hard on the 9th Circus for soliciting Amicus Briefs on behalf of one side of a case (
United States v. Sineneng-Smith (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-67_n6io.pdf)) . Judge Sullivan already should've been removed from the case for calling Flynn a traitor . He has also UNLAWFULLY appointed someone to act as the prosecution since the Justice Dept has decided to drop the case . His actions are unethical .

Indeed it's the rule of law that allows judges the leeway to verify the legality of actions taken by both sides of the argument. Is that not the very definition of impartiality?It is completely legal for the prosecution, upon discovering new evidence, to drop the case.

And the person appointed ;John Gleeson ,has already rendered a verdict in an op-ed in the Washington Compost where he wrote ;
“Flynn’s guilt has already been adjudicated.”
It is clear what is happening here . justice is not being sought . What the Dems want is to force the President's hand so he pardon's Flynn giving then another issue to campaign on.

It is completely legal for the prosecution, upon discovering new evidence, to drop the case.

To be decided by the judge.


And the person appointed ;John Gleeson ,has already rendered a verdict in an op-ed in the Washington Compost where he wrote ;
“Flynn’s guilt has already been adjudicated.”
It is clear what is happening here . justice is not being sought . What the Dems want is to force the President's hand so he pardon's Flynn giving then another issue to campaign on.



I'm sure whatever way this goes we will see a campaign ad against the dufus as cronyism is front and center. Manafort just went home and is Stone next?

Manafort confined to solitary confinement for the same thing that Tony Podesta was not even investigated for .

Stone and Manafort were convicted and what's stopping Barr from prosecuting anybody? Even HC. Wonder what Obamagate is? Why isn't Barr on that?

Wonder what Obamagate is?I think that will be very interesting before it's all over with. Using national intelligence information for political purposes sure sounds illegal to me.

Yeah I know like the dufus birther claims, or being wiretapped, or the Russian hoax. Or injecting people with disinfectant. Or the great job he is doing? Lying to the American people isn't illegal, so just be careful believing what yo' boy says. Probably way to late to warn you though.

Stone and Manafort were convicted and what's stopping Barr from prosecuting anybody? Even HC. Wonder what Obamagate is? Why isn't Barr on that?

don't you think Trump wants anything and anyone to draw attention away from him. CV is an interruption, an inconvenience, and particularly because it has shown how inept he is. The great statesman (in his own opinion) has been shown to be even more of a buffoon. The best course of action is to do nothing, to let these things fizzle out

Funny how you are against lying and law-breaking until Obama does it.

don't you think Trump wants anything and anyone to draw attention away from him. CV is an interruption, an inconvenience, and particularly because it has shown how inept he is. The great statesman (in his own opinion) has been shown to be even more of a buffoon. The best course of action is to do nothing, to let these things fizzle out

Well he can't brag about his great economy since a bug came and destroyed it so he has to revert to the old talk crap routine. He's got nothing for the bug and wants nothing to do with it so let the governors and their states worry about it.


Funny how you are against lying and law-breaking until Obama does it.

You mean did it, since he's been gone 3 years now.

You mean did it, since he's been gone 3 years now.I laughed when I read that. "Your Honor, I'm guilty, but I did all of that three years ago, so you need to just turn me loose now." Well of course that makes sense...to someone...somewhere.

A little humor to start the day. Even the humor-impaired on this board will appreciate it...I think. https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96593671_10216678641507748_1400852537627639808_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=_ptBAOp4I28AX_Xm0m6&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=babbce76c32cea74c5dc73ee10e81bb8&oe=5EE3D3D7

I laughed when I read that. "Your Honor, I'm guilty, but I did all of that three years ago, so you need to just turn me loose now." Well of course that makes sense...to someone...somewhere.

Then we have the matter of did what? Does that make sense?


A little humor to start the day. Even the humor-impaired on this board will appreciate it...I think. https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96593671_10216678641507748_1400852537627639808_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=_ptBAOp4I28AX_Xm0m6&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=babbce76c32cea74c5dc73ee10e81bb8&oe=5EE3D3D7

Be really funny if it weren't so true. So would these,

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Ran out of room, but there is more

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he's got nothing for the bug large scale vaccine testing by July

when you find any science in Fauci's responses let me know

When you find any science in the dufus about anything please let me know. Matter of fact muzzle the dufus and let Fauci do his job. I think you just want your economy back.

Fauci backed and helped fund the Wuhan Wmd lab.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-studying-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR27SsbOn0MZXkRvfBdAnkiJ1AriLf6j0O7IKF0u jAaEQ6WNkuaGpHySXMw


On January 21st he said “Americans Don't Need To Worry About Coronavirus:

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-03-watch-dr-fauci-in-january-say-you-dont-need-to-worry-about-coronavirus/


Fauci said on February 8th: 'Danger of getting coronavirus now is just minusculely low':

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4790996002?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0Ya9M3vvafe86LdWSurxnj4bJF6-bv3G-DHTmFeCwvO_Nk7bvxUflZMsw


Fauci on February 29th tells the Today Show that there is NO NEED for the public to change their behavior over concern for Coronavirus:


https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616


March 9th, Fauci recommends taking a cruise, tells Forbes Magazine that if you’re healthy, cruise ships are safe:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/amp/

The guy is a bloviator . I trust Dr Birx . She backs everything she says with science . Fauci not so much .He is a publicity whore .

Back to the subject of the OP


https://sidneypowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Obama-Memo-Edits-NEW-FINAL.pdf

The dufus is hardly the only one to drop the corona ball here, but Fauci seems to be up to speed now and no doubt has more credibility than his boss on the issue.

https://youtu.be/ibCuZkan4JM

Jury's out on the Flynn outcome though. Between Barr and Powell, he does have better lawyers.

We already know the ultimate outcome . WE don't have 'Alice in Wonderland ' Justice . No judge can be both judge and prosecutor in our system ;and a judge has no authority to appoint a prosecutor . Provisions can be made to provide in some cases for a defense because the Constitution says so . This judge also has a conflict of interest . He has called Flynn a traitor . ABA rule 2:11 makes it clear that
A) A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in any proceeding in which the judge’s impartiality* might reasonably be questioned, including but not limited to the following circumstances

(1) The judge has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party or a party’s lawyer, or personal knowledge* of facts that are in dispute in the proceeding.




(5) The judge, while a judge or a judicial candidate,* has made a public statement, other than in a court proceeding, judicial decision, or opinion, that commits or appears to commit the judge to reach a particular result or rule in a particular way in the proceeding or controversy.

I know the rules and the discretionary limits of judges and attorneys and it all depends on going through the process Tom. This ain't L & O where it's wrapped up in an hour episode. This could well drag out for weeks or months. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officia ls#Michael_Flynn)

of course it could drag on for weeks . That is the goal ;not justice . I cant believe after all that was revealed this week from Obots under oath that you still cling to the Russian collusion hoax .

I don't trust the dufus and his sycophants, nor right wing spin and talking points. I never believe anyone claiming victory until the game is over. Pretty simple formula 'eh "CHAMP!"

https://sidneypowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Obama-Memo-Edits-NEW-FINAL.pdf


Here's the truth re what Powell is doing.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/13/the-legal-posture-of-the-flynn-case-emmet-sullivan-has-up-to-six-pending-decisions-not-one/

Now that Athos was truly informative. Safe to say this judge isn't going to just follow whatever Barr and his sycophants put down without a comprehensive vetting of the facts.

Executive primacy and Sullivan’s attempt to supplant the executive power of prosecution with his own judicial authority is the only issue at stake . I already informed you that last week SCOTUS 9-0 struck down judges
decisions to solicit outside Amicus briefs. Ginsburg wrote the unanimous decision against the 9th Circus Court .

A similar case ,U.S. v. Fokker Services
, Judge Richard Leon refused to accept a deferred prosecution agreement between the emperor's Justice Department and a Dutch aerospace services company. He thought it was too lenient. The DC Circus court smacked him down In their opinion "decisions to dismiss pending criminal charges
—no less than... to bring—lie squarely within the ken of prosecutorial discretion
."
That opinion was authored by
Sri Srinivasan ;appointed by the emperor . In his decision he quoted
quoted a 1967 precedent,
Newman v. U.S.
: “[f]ew subjects are less adapted to judicial review than the exercise by the Executive of his discretion in deciding when and whether to institute criminal proceedings, or what precise charge shall be made, or whether to dismiss a proceeding once brought.”


The Executive’s primacy in criminal charging decisions is long settled. Judge Sullivan can be compelled with a writ of
mandamus or he can be removed under the same provision. That would go to the DC Circus where Srinivasan's precendent is already established .

It's over. They just don't realize it yet.

The process continues.

there is no legitimate judicial process being exercised by Sullivan ....only partisan delays.

This isn't the first time Sullivan has stepped beyond the "norm" to get data before him.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/emmet-sullivan-judge-g/

You can't be suggesting any judge doesn't have a duty to examine any filings/issues before him with due diligence are you Tom, and he must accede to such request just because they make it are you?

Yes he handled the Stevens case . Saw there was abuse by the prosecution and dismissed the case . The exact same circumstances exist in the Flynn case . The FBI withheld exculpatory evidence ;doctored and fabricated 302 filings to the FISA court . The originals have never been found . The FBI decided to set up a perjury trap even after the recommendation was to discontinue the Flynn investigation . The article you cite even admits that the FBI discouraged Flynn from having council present . Flynn had no idea he was being investigated . Why would he think so ? As incoming National Security Advisor it would be perfectly normal for him to have a call in to the Russian Ambassador .

So his guilty plea allocutions were lies? Read the statements for yourself. (https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download) Yes we can use the precedent of the Stevens case, but Stevens NEVER pleaded guilty, let alone twice. You can ignore the crony component, and trust Barr's version of events as per his filings, but I prefer they can stand scrutiny of the law myself so let the process proceed.

I am well aware of his confession and the circumstances behind it's coersion . Again ,cause to dismiss with prejudice .Barr
contends that any false statements by Flynn could not have been material because there was no legitimate basis to investigate or interview him. I go even further . Flynn confessed because they hung the specter of going after his son if he didn't . But I'll go with Barr's rationale . There was absolutely no material reason to pursue a criminal investigation of Flynn after the counter-intelligence investigation was to be dropped . The interview with Flynn was entrapment pure and simple . We have emails by the leading investigator saying as much .
If the Flynn interview was not connected to a properly based investigation(and there is no denial that it wasn't) , any alleged false statements he made could not have been material. Both Flynn and the investigatorsknew the Kislyak discussions were recorded. Flynn stressed that the agents could listen to the conversation if they wanted to know what was discussed. Any misstatements during the interview could not have affected the FBI’s understanding.
Further the agent who interviewed him said he thought Flynn was being truthful . What you call a process is a politically driven stall tactic .

Flynn confessed because they hung the specter of going after his son if he didn't . But I'll go with Barr's rationale . There was absolutely no material reason to pursue a criminal investigation of Flynn after the counter-intelligence investigation was to be dropped . Which raises the interesting question of why was he interviewed to begin with?

I think Barr is the one stalling for time here as he had to know Sullivan wasn't just going to roll over for them.

nope . Barr couldn't act until the documents were unsealed April 29 .
The unsealed documents were discovered as part of a Justice Department review of the Flynn case ordered by Barr.
After he saw the docs he acted swiftly .

I think Barr is the one stalling for time here

Agreed!

Barr is such an obvious shill for Trump from his letter begging to be appointed as Attorney General promising to do whatever Trump wanted, to his bizarre claim that Trump is above the law.

Pompeo is just slightly less nefarious. The list goes on.......

The ball is in Sullivan's court. Powell is a screwball. She will say anything to win - ethics be damned.

nope . Barr couldn't act until the documents were unsealed April 29 .
The unsealed documents were discovered as part of a Justice Department review of the Flynn case ordered by Barr.
After he saw the docs he acted swiftly .

There was nothing new in the filing for dismissal that wasn't already known by Barr. He had both the unredacted Mueller Report, and was the line prosecutors boss. Appointing a special review was a sham to cover his move to aid Flynn. Powell's job was to stall until the ducks were lined up, seeing as all Flynn's previous motions had been denied.

Sullivan has to judge if the grounds Barr dismissed this case on are legit. I suspect he will do a thorough job of it before he rules. That would be fair.

ethics be damned.The motto of Obama's DOJ efforts against Flynn.

I stand by what I wrote . Barr could not act until the docs were released . He always had suspicions that Flynn was hosed . But he could NOT make a case to the Judge for dismissal until the documents were available for the judge and the public to see.

I get why he goes for a dismissal, just to poke Mueller in the eye and set up the rest of the cronies for executive interventions. SCOTUS should be ruling on subpoenas against the dufus and his bankers soon too, as the dufus fires another IG looking into his administration.

as the dufus fires another IG looking into his administration.

I wonder how often the emperor used a government hired aid to walk his dog or buy Michelle a valentines gift ?
Steve Linick was an Obot holdover who worked actively to undermine the Trump administration . During the fraudulent impeachment kabuki dance ,Linick requested an 'urgent ' meeting with Congessional staffers where he handed over executive dept documents related to the Trump Ukraine policies .For that action he should've been dismissed . What I find amazing is that Trump was someone who made a trademark from the phrase 'You're Fired ! ' ;but he has been surprisingly reluctant to purge his executive dept of the snake in the grass swamp critters from the emperor's reign He has been more patient with them then I would've .......or the emperor was for that matter. The emperor's first act was to fire all Bush political appointees .

​You know how this works by now Tom. Deny, obstruct, and make the dufus a one term president.

During the fraudulent impeachment

The only thing fraudulent about the impeachment was the Republican senate putting party ahead of nation.



What I find amazing is that Trump was someone who made a trademark from the phrase 'You're Fired ! ' ;but he has been surprisingly reluctant to purge his executive dept

What you don't understand about Trump is that he is a coward and has others do his dirty work for him. The TV show was all play acting for Trump, something he does very well like any con man.

Anybody figure out how you drain the swamp by adding bigger critters?

BREAKING NEWS

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/saudi-arms-sale-was-second-area-investigation-fired-state-department-n1209521

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fired-state-department-watchdog-was-looking-whether-pompeo-made-staffer-n1208981

In a statement Monday, Engel said that he has learned there might have been another reason for Linick's firing.

"His office was investigating — at my request — Trump’s phony declaration of an emergency so he could send weapons to Saudi Arabia," Engel said. "We don’t have the full picture yet, but it’s troubling that Secretary Pompeo wanted Mr. Linick pushed out before this work could be completed. The administration should comply with the probe I launched with Senator Menendez and turn over all the records requested from the Department by Friday."

the Republican senate putting party ahead of nation.Well, that and the fact that there was no real evidence of guilt. Same thing with Kavanaugh. And when the dems hold hearings on Biden and his sexual assault allegation, and I'm sure they will since they firmly hold to the idea that a woman MUST be heard, then they will hopefully follow the evidence in that case as well.

What is so hard to understand ? Trump used provisions of the '
Arms Export Control Act ' to make the sale . When Congress passed a resolution to block the sale ,Trump vetoed the act . The Senate could not muster the 2/3 vote to override the veto .

Nothing was done untoward . The provision in the act had been used 4 times previously so the only thing that caused for an investigation was the hatred of the President .

Otherwise ,that is how Washington operates .The Constitution gives him the power to veto ;and Congress the power to override a veto with 2/3 vote . The thing is that with Trump ,the opposition does not believe in the Constitution. In their view everything is nefarious requiring investigation and a rat in an inspector general's office to invent conspiracies .

You see ;when the emperor sold arms to the Saudis it was no biggie .

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2016/11/obamas-final-arms-export-tally-more-doubles-bushs/133014/

The congress couldn't over ride the veto that means it can get no oversite? Vlad would approve of that.

You're probably right though as more than half the country probably hates the dufus. Can you blame them?

Elliot Engel used to be my Rep . the only thing I can say about him is that he is a friend of Israel and a much better Rep than the useless one I have now . Nita Lowey . The good news is that she is retiring and her seat is open. There is a conga line of candidates for the June Dem primary . The bad news is that the Republican candidate has no chance in hell of getting elected . There are 2 no names running to be the sacrificial lamb.

Engel is a partisan hack who will do whatever Madam Mim tells him to do . His only streak of independence is his defense of Israel against the Democrat Israeli haters . His hearings ;and most hearings on Capitol Hill are in lieu of doing the job they are elected to do . If Congress doesn't like the Arms Export Control Act . It is sections 36(b)(l), 36(c)(2), 36(d)(2), and 3(d)(2) of the act . It provides for the sale under emergency situations as the President sees them . The sale came during Iranian backed attacks against the Saudi's oil infrastructure . Pompeo wrote to Congress that: "Iranian malign activity poses a fundamental threat to the stability of the Middle East and to American security at home and abroad…. The rapidly-evolving security situation in the region requires an accelerated delivery of certain capabilities to U.S. partners in the region…. Such transfers, whether provided via the Foreign Military Sales system, or through the licensing of Direct Commercial Sales, must occur as quickly as possible in order to deter further Iranian adventurism in the Gulf and throughout the Middle East. "

Engel may not like it . But that is the fact . The President acted lawfully ……. AND , the President has the authority to fire anyone in the executive branch he chooses . They all work at his pleasure . So if the Dems don't like that he fired Linick ….well bullah bullah cry a river .

Congress has a duty to oversight!

Nancy Pelosi refers to the pres as "morbidly obese", and so is now guilty of fat-shaming. I wonder if she is going to refer to Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton as "morbidly obese" today? Anyone want to take a guess?

Politics, let it go along with Crooked Hillary, and Sleepy Joe, and lying cheating dufus hawking snake oil. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/what-to-know-about-the-malaria-drug-trump-says-he-is-using/ar-BB14h84P?ocid=msedgntp)

well at least you admit them all to the club

well at least you admit them all to the club

Politicians during an election year? Or any year for that matter!

lying cheating dufus hawking snake oil. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/what-to-know-about-the-malaria-drug-trump-says-he-is-using/ar-BB14h84P?ocid=msedgntp)

Nice link.

I'm ready to add Pompeo and Barr to that club of lying cheating pols.

The jury (in my mind) is still out on Trump - is he pure evil or is he just incredibly stupid with the worst case in history of stupiditis?

Barr and Pompeo are easy. Their evil is on purpose. They have sold their souls for the reflected power and influence that comes from supporting and defending Trump.

I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza.

don't be too hard on them, it is lifestyle, afterall many of their fellows suffer from the same malaise, too much sitting around talking B/S instead of running a few lbs off

I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza.Thank goodness you guys don't believe in being judgmental or engaging in put-downs.

No we just stick to the facts, nothing but the facts

Yeah. Nothing but the "facts" here. "Barr and Pompeo are easy. Their evil is on purpose. They have sold their souls for the reflected power and influence that comes from supporting and defending Trump. I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing down that last slice of pizza."

As I suggested last week ; Flynn's lawyers filed a petition for a writ of mandamus with the Court of Appeals, asking the appeals court to overturn Sullivan's decision halting DOJ's dismissal of the Flynn case & to give the case to a different judge.

Flynn's dismissal hasn't been halted, just delayed for careful consideration and scrutiny which is well within the realm of this judge.

I don't blame Flynn's lawyers though for the writ, it's a typical move in such cases to speed up the process.

It...is...over.

Or just beginning.

Thank goodness you guys don't believe in being judgmental or engaging in put-downs.

Public figures are fodder for put downs when it is deserved. No one is more deserving than Trump, Barr and Pompeo - the evil triumvirate.

In your case, you are deserving since you are so outspoken against put downs all the while being the chief offender yourself.

Public figures are fodder for put downs when it is deserved. No one is more deserving than Trump, Barr and Pompeo - the evil triumvirate.Doesn't it seem that you have formulated the rules to benefit yourself?


In your case, you are deserving since you are so outspoken against put downs all the while being the chief offender yourself.And again, are you just reaching conclusions to benefit yourself? Looks highly suspicious.

Asking questions (which usually go unanswered) is not engaging in put-downs. It's just honest discussion, or at least it would be if the questions ever got answered.

You didn't respond to being judgmental. Doesn't this certainly seem to be that way? "I never can trust fat, jowly politicians who tell the rest of us how to act and what to do when they themselves can't push back from the dinner table or resist scarfing-down that last slice of pizza." I mean talk about fat-shaming, doesn't that fit the description?

I mean talk about fat-shaming, doesn't that fit the description?

No, not for people who choose to be in the public eye.

The dufus fat shames himself by putting on a jacket and that silly maga hat.

https://dnyuz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Trump%E2%80%99s-visit-to-the-CDC-shows-why-there%E2%80%99s-concern-about.jpg

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2017/04/trump_diarhea_feature.jpg?resize=865,452

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2017/04/trump_diarhea_feature.jpg?resize=865,452

no comment...............

Looks like more than JL has been shoving his head shoulder deep up the dufus arse! Anybody need more EVIDENCE than that?*


*Okay it was a doctored photo...but too hilarious to resist! In no way does it mean people cannot, or have not, or will not, shove their head shoulder deep up the dufus' fat a$$!

Looks like more than JL has been shoving his head shoulder deep up the dufus arse! Anybody need more EVIDENCE than that?
No, no, no! That's one of the side effects when taking hydroxychloroquine!

No, no, no! That's one of the side effects when taking hydroxychloroquine!And once again your double-standard comes shining brightly through. When one of the three amigos does it, it's fine. Someone else, then it's time to pitch a fit. That's why I pay no attention at all to your complaining. And yes, you can regard yourself as having been shamed, as well you should have been. I'm not surprised that Tal makes such ignorant, vulgar statements. All that is necessary is to consider the source, but I am mildly surprised that you support him, but I guess not nearly as much as I would have been a few months ago. I guess it's just like the Biden/Kavanaugh sexual assault deal. Kavanaugh wasn't fit to be on the Supreme Court, but Biden is just fine for pres. Double standards do make your lives easier, don't they?

And yes, you can regard yourself as having been shamed
That's the best you can do? You're losing your touch! (I went through just one thread and did a c/p of sixteen [on four pages] of your put-downs and shaming. Those weren't the only ones, but I was weary because I was missing my afternoon nap.)

Fine. Let's see them. And btw, I'm not the one complaining about being put-down and shamed. That's you.

One thing I've learned with you. When you say something questionable and get asked about it, you seem to go to your safe place and complain about being put-down and shamed. Maybe it's just time to start answering questions and defending your positions. Hard assignment, I grant you, but I think you'd learn a few things.

For instance, how come your complaining about put-downs is never aimed at your allies? Double standard???

What's your point? it's not like anyone answers to you for whatever their opinion is on any subject. Nor is anyone else responsible for your opinion whatever it is.

Is he at it again

Fine. Let's see them. And btw, I'm not the one complaining about being put-down and shamed. That's you.
No sure this is a good place to post them -- but then, I'd only be quoting you.

For instance, how come your complaining about put-downs is never aimed at your allies? Double standard???
You put-down and shame your allies too???

No sure this is a good place to post them -- but then, I'd only be quoting you."No sure"?? Well at any rate, did you learn that tactic from the House Committee on Impeachment? Make accusations, but don't present credible evidence?


You put-down and shame your allies too???
At least you seem to be admitting you should be. I guess that's about all we'll get as regards an answer.

"No sure"?? Well at any rate, did you learn that tactic from the House Committee on Impeachment? Make accusations, but don't present credible evidence?
Will PM them to you.

At least you seem to be admitting you should be. I guess that's about all we'll get as regards an answer.
Whaaaaat!!! I "seem to be admitting"? If I meant that I would have said:

"You too put-down and shame your allies?"

Whaaaaat!!! I "seem to be admitting"? If I meant that I would have said:

"You too put-down and shame your allies?"So even a halfway answer is too much to hope for? You are robbing me of any and all hope!!

So even a halfway answer is too much to hope for? You are robbing me of any and all hope!!
I done tole you how my sentence would read if I were putting down and shaming my allies. That little word "too" is VERY important!

It is, as in, "WG could appear truthful, too, if she would actually honestly answer questions."

It is, as in, "WG could appear truthful, too, if she would actually honestly answer questions."
Change the subject, divert, distract.

Another non-answer. Not surprising.

Change the subject, divert, distract.

A very apt description of our conservative friends honest discussion tactics. Like his dufus hero he just doesn't accept the views of others when not in line with his own position. That makes in his own mind he is right and you are not.

Do we even remember his original question that he claims you didn't answer WG? NOPE! It gets lost in passive aggressive insults and dismissal. He gets to throw rocks and blame you for throwing them back.

JL loves to start fights in the guise of a question, and sit back and attack the person and the only way to avoid the attack is capitulate to his position. So WG give in to his madness and avoid his bully attacks. What you thought it was about enjoying an honest discussion with a fellow human?

Talaniman Rule-Always stand up to a bully. He comes to fight, and dominate, so you should be prepared to fight. You don't have to win, just keep him from dominating YOU!

​Obviously I love the fight! 8D

fight on Mc Duff

fight on Mc Duff

I suppose I could be doing my chores!

yes so should I, munyana

a DC Circus 3 judge panel ordered Sullivan to explain himself . Be prepared in a couple of weeks for the panel to smack Sullivan down hard .

Flynn freed, Cohen went home today, who's next?

All the "kings" men

King men? You mean a twitter troll and his critters don't you?

as you like it, you won't get an argument out of me on that score

JL either, he has me blocked, but I'm a hard guy to ignore.

a DC Circus 3 judge panel ordered Sullivan to explain himself . Be prepared in a couple of weeks for the panel to smack Sullivan down hard.Ten days from yesterday. It's hard to imagine how he has a leg to stand on in this deal. Happy for Flynn.

You must admit pleading guilty twice doesn't help him. We will see if the reasons the case was dropped does.

So now Biden gets to decide who is black and who's not? Hmmm. Imagine the uproar if Trump had said such a remark. As it is, Biden will get his usual free pass.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1263809957515988997

He doesn't need a free pass for a 5 second snippet of a much larger conversation.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/joe-biden-charlamagne-black-breakfast-club

I rest my case.

He plead after being illegally coerced into a confession . If Judge Sullivan is lucky he will be spared the indignity of being kicked off the case .

What case? Seems no big deal for the interviewer, so why is it a big deal to you? If the dufus had said it maybe it would be a big deal, maybe it wouldn't. Not like the dufus doesn't get free passes for his words, behavior and antics too, from his supporters, so what case are you trying to make?

He plead after being illegally coerced into a confession . If Judge Sullivan is lucky he will be spared the indignity of being kicked off the case .

I think he thought he was going to get a smack on the hand with his plea deal. jails are full of people claiming they were coerced into a confession. Didn't you once tell me that innocent people go to trial, not cop to something they didn't do? Of course Flynn has powerful friends in high places which the average guy doesn't have.

If Judge Sullivan is lucky he will be spared the indignity of being kicked off the case.We can hope that he will quietly correct his foolish decision, but probably he will not.

Foolish indeed would be doing anything the dufus and his ilk wants without proper verification.

Didn't you once tell me that innocent people go to trial, not cop to something they didn't do? definitely not me . Plenty of innocent people get hosed by the justice system . A false statement made to investigators is actionable only if it is material to the matter under investigation. If there was no basis to believe Flynn had committed a crime, any false statements allegedly made by Flynn when he was questioned were immaterial. The reason I believe his confession was coerced is because Mueller threatened legal jeopardy on Flynns son. That's all it took for Flynn to take the fall for his son. Not that his son necessarily did anything wrong. But he was Flynn's chief of staff and in that capacity attended meetings with Flynn and foreign actors .He was also an employee of a private intelligence firm Flynn headed , which Mueller was scrutinizing over its alleged failure to register with the government as a foreign agent . As You know this is a dubious allegation that was rarely handled as a criminal offense before Mueller’s probe. Mueller used it selectively as leverage in his investigations and as was proven ,used arbitrarily and capriciously . Note the slap on the wrist the Podesta brothers were given .

I disagree, of course but the belief in the dufus and his cohorts is a fascinating study in drinking the kool aid you know has a turd in it.

well when you have no hope you have to believe in something

Not a matter of hope, or belief here Clete, it's a simple matter whether this blatant display of corruption and cronyism built on lies and conspiracies will stand further scrutiny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5c-ESOAyhs

https://patriot.imgix.net/44bb488167341dc154b219e79d1917db6a5124d779e6086335 89a427eef56f43.jpg?w=720&auto=format

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5c-ESOAyhs

The chick from Faux News delivery Fake News from the WH! Great lead to this weekends humor rant!

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For my buddy JL

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Judge Sullivan has now hired a lawyer to 'defend' him in the DC Circus. He's acting like he's the one on trial .

"Federal judge hires high-powered D.C. attorney to defend his actions in Flynn case.” is the headline in the Compost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-hires-high-powered-dc-attorney-to-defend-his-actions-in-flynn-case/2020/05/23/9cae4d5e-9d0c-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html

He hired swamp insider Beth Wilkinson . So now he can explain to the panel why he needs a high power defense attorney to explain to them why he needs a high power former judge to receive Amicus Briefs he requested when the DOJ dropped the case against Flynn (against a decision made by a unanimous SCOTUS ruling a week ago and against a previous precedent decision by the DC Circus).

To refresh the judges memory from law school; the Sixth Amendment says that “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right … to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.” Is he declaring himself a criminal ?

I'm sure the panel wants him to explain his actions in his own words . He can certainly argue that Flynn had already pled guilty . He can disagree with the DOJ decision to drop the case .But the law requires him to drop the case and neither he nor Wilkinson can change that .

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb052120dAPR20200521124533.jpg

Judge Sullivan has now hired a lawyer to 'defend' him in the DC Circus. He's acting like he's the one on trial .

"Federal judge hires high-powered D.C. attorney to defend his actions in Flynn case.” is the headline in the Compost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-hires-high-powered-dc-attorney-to-defend-his-actions-in-flynn-case/2020/05/23/9cae4d5e-9d0c-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html

He hired swamp insider Beth Wilkinson . So now he can explain to the panel why he needs a high power defense attorney to explain to them why he needs a high power former judge to receive Amicus Briefs he requested when the DOJ dropped the case against Flynn (against a decision made by a unanimous SCOTUS ruling a week ago and against a previous precedent decision by the DC Circus).

To refresh the judges memory from law school; the Sixth Amendment says that “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right … to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.” Is he declaring himself a criminal ?

I'm sure the panel wants him to explain his actions in his own words . He can certainly argue that Flynn had already pled guilty . He can disagree with the DOJ decision to drop the case .But the law requires him to drop the case and neither he nor Wilkinson can change that .

The law does not require he drops the case, it does require he review and render a decision. Nice spin right though. No doubt the dufus is pacing the floor awaiting his campaign conspiracy theory around this latest move by Barr, oh wait he already has started Obamagate.

The law does not require he drops the case,


https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_48

“the government may, with leave of court, dismiss an indictment, information, or complaint.”
The “leave of court” provision was meant “primarily to guard against the prospect that dismissal is part of a scheme of ‘prosecutorial harassment’ of the defendant through repeated prosecutions—a prospect not implicated by, as here, a motion to dismiss with prejudice "
“the principal object of the ‘leave of court’ requirement is apparently to protect a defendant against prosecutorial harassment, e.g., charging, dismissing, and recharging, when the government moves to dismiss an indictment over the defendant’s objection.”
It is not there so the judge can over rule the prosecution's decision to no longer prosecute the case . Sullivan has nothing . That is why he is hiring representation for his own defense .

The Obama FBI at work.

FBI documents unsealed Wednesday show that top bureau officials discussed their motivations for interviewing then-national security adviser Michael Flynn in the White House (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house) in January 2017 -- and openly questioned if their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."The handwritten notes (https://www.scribd.com/document/459057200/doc-188) -- written by the FBI's former head of counterintelligence Bill Priestap after a meeting with then-FBI Director James Comey and then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, Fox News is told -- further suggested that agents planned (https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1255628331137019904) in the alternative to get Flynn "to admit to breaking the Logan Act" when he spoke to then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition period.

The Logan Act is an obscure statute that has never been used in a criminal prosecution; enacted in 1799 in an era before telephones, it was intended to prevent individuals from falsely claiming to represent the United States government abroad.

"What is our goal?" one of the notes (https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1255627278249349122) read. "Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-flynn-fbi-handwritten-notes-get-him-lie-fired

Oh well. I'm going to church this morning to worship the Lord with other Christians. It will be a little pocket of sanity in this corrupt environment we more and more live in, a light shining in an otherwise dark sky. Thank God for Jesus.

Oh well. I'm going to church this morning to worship the Lord with other Christians. It will be a little pocket of sanity in this corrupt environment we more and more live in, a light shining in an otherwise dark sky. Thank God for Jesus.

amen to that

Are we missing the obvious here? What if Flynn had just told the truth and been honest with Pence, and the FBI?

His honesty with Pence cost him his job. He was NOT dishonest with the FBI .

Andrew McCabe who was deputy director under Comey testified to Congress that the 2 agents who interviews Flynn did NOT think he was lying . We also know that the 302 submitted by the FBI of the Flynn interview was fabricated . The original written by agents Joe Pientka and Peter Srzok (you've heard of him ...... recall his hateful emails to Lisa Page about Trump).

FBI 302s, are supposed to be completed within five days of the interview. Usually, one agent is the main interrogator, another takes notes; one of the two is responsible for drafting the 302, which the two agents then finalize, making sure that between their memories and any notes taken,that the 302 accurately reflects the interviewee’s statements.
The Flynn 302 went through multiple drafts and were heavy edited . They were still being edited on Feb. 10, 17 days after the interview. And, we know from text messages, it was being edited by Lisa Page who was working forMcCabe and she was not present at the Flynn interview. She had no business editing what Flynn said. The 302 was not finalized until Feb. 15.

Pientka’s first draft, Strzok’s alterations of it, Page’s alterations of Strzok’s draft were never submitted to the judge . So any fair minded system would see that a miscarriage of justice was happening to Flynn . The most hardened criminal would be informed by the FBI that the interview being conducted was because he was the subject of an investigation . We have emails from the agents before the interview asking if their goal was to get him fired ,or to set up a perjury trap.


Has Beth Wilkinson retained counsel yet?

I don't know about Wilkerson, but even if Flynn gets off the damage is done to the administrations already fraying credibility. Get use to the crony ads from the dems as the election draws near, and the economy and the pandemic becomes the issue. The dufus will have more to worry about than just his buddies, if he doesn't take care of his electorate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/judge-sullivan-says-he-is-not-required-to-rubber-stamp-doj-s-bid-to-dismiss-flynn-case/ar-BB14TpA7?ocid=msedgntp


The judge must evaluate Flynn’s dramatically different claims, Sullivan’s lawyer Beth Wilkinson (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-hires-high-powered-dc-attorney-to-defend-his-actions-in-flynn-case/2020/05/23/9cae4d5e-9d0c-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) told the court: “What, if anything, should Judge Sullivan do about Mr. Flynn’s sworn statements to the court, where he repeatedly admitted to the crime and to the voluntariness of his guilty plea, only to now claim that he never lied to the government and was pressured and misled into pleading guilty?”


https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-16000-pleas-federal-rule-criminal-procedure-11 (https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-16000-pleas-federal-rule-criminal-procedure-11)