https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV1SKI3XkAE5GFy?format=jpg&name=small

Republicans will turn a blind eye. But history books will say: In April of 2020, when the pandemic had already claimed 35,000 lives, the President of the United States incited people to storm their statehouses with AR-15s and AK-47s.

Trump tweets: "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! Save your great second amendment. It's under siege!"

Yes Trump is a dill

He has to really his base, and it's being reported a number of his rich supporters are organizing and bankrolling these protests. Everything he says and does is about his reelection.

He has to really his base, and it's being reported a number of his rich supporters are organizing and bankrolling these protests. Everything he says and does is about his reelection.

With all the strife, why would he want the aggravation? Better to let some other incompetent inherit the problems

maybe if our Governors werent acting like little despots then the people would not have gone to the street .
Much of the draconian regulations depends on the voluntary cooperation of the citizenry .

But you know that they have become power hungry when they fine people in California $1000 for sitting in their cars watching the sunset . Or they fill in skateboard parks with sand in LA to prevent kids from using the parks . Or they close down public parks where there is no evidence that people are violation their social separation edicts . Or that clown Governor in Michigan who decided that it was ok to buy pot and booze but not garden seeds .

I can understand the need for some of the measures in NY . But even here il duce Cuomo has gone too far. There was less ridership in the NYC subways and trains . That was a good thing right ? But instead of leaving well enough alone . They reduced train service and cars . So now even though there are fewer riders . The cars are packed again.

So it is all BS . 99 % of the country should be back up and running. But the truth is that the Dems want to extend their power grab because people dying and the economy tanking during a Republican's watch is good for them.

Wonder if those closed businesses can guarantee the safety of the customers AND employees? How do you eat a 5 course meal in a mask? You think those meat packing guys in Colorado want to go back to work after getting sick? I see a lot of adjustments before the economy can be safely restarted.

I heard the other day how we can bring back sports without the fans and televise the games ala pro wrestling. Sounds good to me as long as the players stay healthy. Here's a clue, the frontline essentials getting sick and cannot work. You know this well in NY. Extrapolate that to the rest of the country. Is that an excuse for the dufus to rally his base against dems governors shutdown orders?

Just can't wait for a test to be on the safe side huh! Cuomo just got one so we'll see.

You think those meat packing guys in Colorado want to go back to work after getting sick?



I'm sick and will return to work gladly as soon as I clear protocol .

Your example about social distancing in a restaurant is a problem . I say let the restaurants and the private businesses figure it out . The 1st thing to reopen in Penn Station NYC was a Dunkin Donuts . They put marks on the floor and they have plexiglass barriers between the customer and cashier .



Just can't wait for a test to be on the safe side huh!
What test ? I asked about retest before I return to work and I was told by an agent of NYS Dept Health that often the test comes back positive weeks after initial positive results . And test results big enough to make any meaningful evaluation will take months if not more than a year . You want the economy down all that time ? I know quite a few small business owners who will not be able to reopen and it doesn't matter how much monopoly money they are being given. I know a yoga instructor who
rented space to have classes in December to start January . She now pays rent but can't conduct classes . Like I said ;the Dems want the economy shut down until November

Shutdown is annoying and many small business owners will not survive, rents and lack of revenue will kill them off, even large chains have closed

Clete you would think the Dem Guvs would want business up and running . Who pays the taxes for their excessive spending ? What we are seeing here is private practices closing down too . Hospitals make their money on the so called elective procedures . And almost all of those have been suspended here even though they wildly exaggerated the demand of Wuhan virus patients in most of the country . BTW some procedures being called elective procedures is a cruel joke. I know a guy who's urinary tract needs a procedure to open it up . He has had a tube running from his bladder into a bag for a couple months now and his surgery has been indefinitely delayed .

Yes Tom any condition that doesn't immediately kill you is elective. making sure hospital beds are available is important. This is just nanny state overkill but if the politicians do nothing they are condemned so overreaction becomes the norm. The US has a bad case of the flu, much worse than many other places and you have to wonder how this can happen in such a high tech place. Our cities are crowded too but we don't have the transmission rate or the death rate and isolation measures appear to be working. maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference but we never had this panic over h1n1, etc and that kills as many people each year. So I'm off for my annual flu jab this morning, must take preventative measures

The US has a bad case of the flu
COVID-19 isn't a flu.

Our cities are crowded too but we don't have the transmission rate or the death rate and isolation measures appear to be working. maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference but we never had this panic over h1n1, etc and that kills as many people each year. So I'm off for my annual flu jab this morning, must take preventative measures
I doubt your cities are stacked like this https://images.wsj.net/im-13361?width=620&size=1.5 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Ffrom-rats-to-rainwater-a-tour-of-new-york-public-housing-1528497745&psig=AOvVaw2oJWlcclKkUEaqAHCjwUiY&ust=1587426984093000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLD_y73Y9egCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI)



maybe it is the fact that you are in the winter season and we are coming out of summer that makes the difference

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904366/early-studies-suggest-heat-humidity-may-help-slow-coronavirus-but-not-all-scientists-are-convinced

And its spring here Clete. Why can't we open the economy back up safely, and keep it open, instead of chancing a relapse? Repubs just don't want to give workers any more money than they have too. Ceo's...now that's okay with them.

Look at the photograph leading this thread.

At today's presser, Trump said, "The protestors are nice. They're keeping six feet apart during the protest". The photographic evidence proves without a doubt that Trump[ is A) lying, or, B) is in an alternate reality.

His constant claim that America has done more testing than anyone else is a distraction from the truth. America is nowhere near the highest in testing when the all-important per capita measurement is used.

Trump did his usual freak-out against the press today at the meeting when uncomfortable questions that he didn't like were asked. Instead of answering, he blasted the questioners with insults and nastiness that had nothing to do with the question.

For those who need factual evidence of Trump's behavior during these press conferences, there are dozens of "fact-check" sites on the internet and also in the newspapers.

It is enlightening (and frightening at the same time) that so many get their information only from Fox-News without a clue as to what the overwhelming media is actually reporting re Trump and his stupidity.

Tal the government ran out of money already . The Repubs want Congress to pass additional funding but Madam Mim Antoinette is eating expensive ice cream from her well stocked freezer ;and won't allow Congress back until May 4 . But again I'll ask this simple question . If people are not working and getting wages . Then who does the government tax to fund their gimmees ?

lol 'fact check sites ' Sites funded by the Annenberg group and Soros .

lol 'fact check sites ' Sites funded by the Annenberg group and Soros .

You're a liar, Tom. Just like your hero Trump.

I doubt your cities are stacked like this https://images.wsj.net/im-13361?width=620&size=1.5 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Ffrom-rats-to-rainwater-a-tour-of-new-york-public-housing-1528497745&psig=AOvVaw2oJWlcclKkUEaqAHCjwUiY&ust=1587426984093000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLD_y73Y9egCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI)


https://theweek.com/speedreads/904366/early-studies-suggest-heat-humidity-may-help-slow-coronavirus-but-not-all-scientists-are-convinced

Sydney, Australia. Certainly there must be tenements SOMEwhere in that beautiful city!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bu_BxH3h1cQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Trump did his usual freak-out against the press today at the meeting when uncomfortable questions that he didn't like were asked. Instead of answering, he blasted the questioners with insults and nastiness that had nothing to do with the question.

For those who need factual evidence of Trump's behavior during these press conferences, there are dozens of "fact-check" sites on the internet and also in the newspapers.
And there are videos online of each "press briefing."

Sydney has less than 5 million people . The NYC area has 18.8 million .

Sydney has less than 5 million people . The NYC area has 18.8 million .
And if it had 18.8 million people, I betcha it would still be beautiful and minus ugly tenements full of the miserable poor, homeless people lining the sidewalks, and panhandlers busking or just holding out a donation cup.

You're a liar, Tom


FactCheck.org® (https://www.factcheck.org/) A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center

https://www.factcheck.org/


Media Matters for America is a Soros Open Society construct .

http://archive.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

If only you would do your own research instead of relying on left wing propaganda media .

FactCheck.org® (https://www.factcheck.org/) A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center

https://www.factcheck.org/

There are dozens that have no affiliation with Soros. But that begs the question.

I note that you don't challenge the content, you just slam the Soros connection. That's a form of the logical fallacy called ad hominem.


(https://www.factcheck.org/)
If only you would do your own research instead of relying on left wing propaganda media .

I note that you have relied on right-wing propaganda media. My reliance is media that is dedicated to the truth.

How do I know this?

Here's one way;
I watch a video of Trump (live TV or the net). Then I check to see how that performance is described on media. The Fox far-right Trump outlet consistently slants the performance or omits points critical of Trump. Sometimes there are outright lies on the opinion shows (Hannity, Ingraham, and that dopey "Judge"). I also check OAN occasionally. It's just as bad as Fox.

The other media that you and Trump call "Fake news" and propaganda then describes the Trump performance and it is always accurate and sometimes slanted (but never slanted to the degree on Fox). I won't list the media because it's generally all other media in the USA and abroad.

Well said Athos, but it's a normal thing for right wing conservative media to blast the liberal news. They have always complained of not having enough conservative news and there is a good reason for that, it's FAKE, and rejected by the public as a whole. One reason is liberal news has only to play the tape of the dufus and his sycophants lying as he feeds red meat to his base.

Now his sycophants are taking to the streets with the dufus chearleading them. That's disgusting, and delusional.

Now his sycophants are taking to the streets with the dufus chearleading them. That's disgusting, and delussional.

Yes it is the President should be above such behaviour, but then this is a race to the bottom

No masks, no social distancing, just hollering.

when Dems protest no one cares how close they get to each other ;or that no one is wearing masks .

https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/affordable-housing/housing-advocates-pushing-nationwide-rent-control-protest-outside-hud-headquarters-103282

https://cdn.bisnow.net/fit?height=489&type=jpeg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fcdn.bisnow.ne t%2Fcontent%2Fimages%2F2020%2F03%2F5e61525391c72-p3051601.jpeg&width=717&sign=nyJxDZkIRDyN2vfuh0JCYgRJfUXMtfh9KcVDfuhrNus

when Dems protest no one cares how close they get to each other ;or that no one is wearing masks .

https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/affordable-housing/housing-advocates-pushing-nationwide-rent-control-protest-outside-hud-headquarters-103282

https://cdn.bisnow.net/fit?height=489&type=jpeg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fcdn.bisnow.ne t%2Fcontent%2Fimages%2F2020%2F03%2F5e61525391c72-p3051601.jpeg&width=717&sign=nyJxDZkIRDyN2vfuh0JCYgRJfUXMtfh9KcVDfuhrNus
The article is headed by the date, March 5, 2020. Social distancing didn't begin until later.

wtg NY !!!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

wtg NY !!!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

That link showing the animals clogging up a hot line with revolting comments and Hitler references is hardly worthy of a WTG NY!!!

That tells us a lot about you, Tom.

Tom's never been a Blaso fan, nor has he been a right wing loony either, at least not lock stock and barrel, but we are seeing the loonies come out more as this virus rages on. We all know the dufus and his sycophantic base are behind this and we have seen this play before many times. Holler loud enough and make it seem like it's more than it really is.

Of course I have no evidence, but do suspect this is a small group exercising keyboard courage in a very crass way. Hey loonies need attention too.

this was going to a police link I'm sure NYPD was howling with delight and amusement . A nice distraction from their having to chase down the scum Blas let out of prison

It is defiance to Sandinista Bill's Orwellian call for NYers to snitch . Nothing more or less.

I'm sure you would gladly exchange blaso for the mayor of Vegas who said open the casinos and figure the rest out later.

I'm sure you would gladly exchange blaso for the mayor of Vegas who said open the casinos and figure the rest out later.

Money rules even in the middle of a plague, I hear Trump likes the way we handled the crisis, can't figure out why, it is the opposite of what he has done

Could it be the call for investigations into the WHO?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia-idUSKCN22401K

Meanwhile, the main street bailout for small businesses was scarfed up by rich guys who are preferrd customers of the big banks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/business/sba-loans-ppp-coronavirus.html

So now those small mom and pop businesses still need money.

Yes strange the way things turn out over there, seems the little guy doesn't need any money

Leave it to conservatives to make the rich richer and forget the poorer.

But history books will say: In April of 2020, when the pandemic had already claimed 35,000 lives, the President of the United States incited people to storm their statehouses with AR-15s and AK-47s.I'm going to go way out on a limb and speculate that there will never be such a crazy entry in a history book since Trump has never suggested such a ridiculous thing. He has not called for an insurrection in Virginia or any other state. He has not asked for people to "storm their statehouses". He has not asked people to open carry AK-47s. Suggesting that people exercise their Constitutional right to peaceably assemble (which seems to be what they did, unlike what the dems did in Ferguson) is hardly a new statement for a president.


forget the poorer.You've already said you don't want your taxes raised to support the poor. Other than voting for people who agree to take money from people OTHER THAN YOU to give to the poor, what are you doing yourself?

1. Ferguson was peaceful during the day, and the loonies came out at night, and just as you can defend the rights of one group, then at least defend the right to disagree with such protests, like the supremists in Charlotteville, and the good people on both sides comments.

2. Have said no such thing, and have opined my position very well several times, so no need to twist my words. In truth you have voted for people to take your money for poor people too. As to what I'm doing for the poor that's easy, I vote for people who will help the poor, even if it means taking your money JL.

1. Ferguson was peaceful during the day, and the loonies came out at night, and just as you can defend the rights of one group, then at least defend the right to disagree with such protests, like the supremists in Charlotteville, and the good people on both sides comments.So you think the people of Ferguson will be relieved to find out that the burning and looting merely occurred at night? Is that supposed to be comforting? As to your right to disagree with those protesters, I've never suggested otherwise. I will suggest, however, that calling peaceful protests an "insurrection" is lunacy.


In truth you have voted for people to take your money for poor people too. As to what I'm doing for the poor that's easy, I vote for people who will help the poor, even if it means taking your money JL.Thank you for verifying what we already know. You can't be troubled to get off your rear end and help poor people with your own resources. Forcing other people to do what you are not willing to do yourself is the very essence of liberal democrat politics. It's on the level of a combat officer standing tall and saying, "Follow him!"

1. You brought up Ferguson in your muddled comparison to repubs open it up protest now. Ferguson was years of pent up rage and frustration, while the repub protest small in scale was organized and allegedly funded by rich people to foment dissension among frustrated scared repubs. Many changes came from that for the better. More on that later.

2. Easy preacher dude, poor people don't have resources and depend on help, and just because you are involved in church/charity work, don't even try thinking others never have. I force no one to do anything, and maybe it's just sour grapes that you get outvoted for the things that you peeve about. Don't blame me and stop assuming I've never worked with churches and charities. I ain't got no money, but I do have time and experience to love, guide, and support those that need it, and do!

You brought up Ferguson in your muddled comparison to repubs open it up protest now. What?

So burning up a town is fine as long is it's the result of "years of pent up rage?" OK. Glad to have that settled.


Easy preacher dude, poor people don't have resources and depend on help, and just because you are involved in church/charity work, don't even try thinking others never have. I force no one to do anything, and maybe it's just sour grapes that you get outvoted for the things that you peeve about. Don't blame me and stop assuming I've never worked with churches and charities. I ain't got no money, but I do have time and experience to love, guide, and support those that need it, and do!I'm just going on what you've said in the past.

1. I didn't say it was fine, just have understood the dynamic behind them. If you were interested instead of BIASED you would ask about the pent up rage.

2. You're a lousy listener with a lousy memory, Mr Unspecific.

Ok tal ill ask why is there pent up rage

I didn't ask about the "pent-up rage" because it would in no way justify the burning of buildings and destruction of property. Period.

So don't ask, don't tell

Put people in a pen (READ limited amount of land, or neighborhood) and kick 'em everyday for a few generations and you tell me what's that is.


I didn't ask about the "pent-up rage" because it would in no way justify the burning of buildings and destruction of property. Period.

It's not there property.

"It's not there property." So it's OK to burn and loot property as long as it's not "there" property? Man I'm glad I'm not a liberal dem. Conservatives go out and peaceably protest and you are critical of that. A bunch of wild eyed liberals burn and destroy and you can't wait to make excuses for them. It's that kind of thinking that absolutely turns me off to liberal politics.

Says the guy who believes that sending unruly school kids to jail is the solution to discipline problems. Go ahead keep ignoring the smoldering rage of the least and the less, but don't be surprised when it erupts into a full blown fire. Much like these bailouts, the people who need it ain't getting it, and the ones that don't are.

Says the guy who believes that sending unruly school kids to jail is the solution to discipline problemsYou show me where I have said that. Have you always just been so deceitful when it comes to relating what people have said? That is a strange quirk you have.


Go ahead keep ignoring the smoldering rage of the least and the less, but don't be surprised when it erupts into a full blown fire.Yep. Conservatives peacefully gather and they are condemned by you, but as long as liberal dems can be said to be releasing that "smoldering rage", then by George it's all good. Yet another reason NOT to be a liberal.

but don't be surprised when it erupts into a full blown fire how has that worked out for you James Baldwin ?

It's works out great for the conservatives who turn a blind eye and a deaf ear and don't have to address those long smoldering fires. Ignoring real problems got us here with a dufus who makes a bad situation worse. Conservatives and their 'fiscally responsible" free market trickle down economic views and policies, partnered with the family values crowd and outright racists among us have rendered us pretty helpless to deal with a bug from overseas, because they are still looking for profits.

How else would you explain suffering the whack comments antics and actions of this dufus and his psycho sycophant's amid struggles and suffering, stealing bailout money they don't need at the expense of those that do? LOL, instead of protesting the handling of the money, conservatives rather dispense with the safety of everybody else, and go back to business as usual.

After all it's a liberal hoax in the first place right?

Conservatives and their 'fiscally responsible" free market trickle down economic views and policies, partnered with the family values crowd and outright racists among us have rendered us pretty helpless to deal with a bug from overseas, because they are still looking for profits.Strange how you think being "fiscally responsible" is somehow a negative, or that holding "family values" puts a person in the same category as being a racist. If you hate poor people, be sure to turn them into liberal dems so they can become enslaved to the handouts of the federal government. Be sure to encourage out of wedlock births so their children can struggle along without the help of a father.

On the other hand, if you love poor people, then while you are helping them with your own resources, strongly encourage them to form families, work hard, and get as good of an education as possible, for it is in doing those things that they can actually get out of poverty. Studies clearly show that people who graduate from high school, do not get pregnant out of wedlock, and work hard at a job scarcely ever end up in poverty.

Oh yes. Be sure to encourage them to be fiscally responsible and to vote for those who believe that governments should also be fiscally responsible, be they republican, democrat, or independent.

Oh come on fiscall responsibility and family values are but talking points when the opposition has control of the legislation and purse strings. Maybe you should practice what you preach and stop taking government hand outs yourself. What you are not aware that you live in a state that takes more in our money than you contribute?

You dare holler what you are forced to pay while living off the public dole yourself?

I am happy to report that I do not take government handouts and I am not living off the public dole. The only exception is this gosh-awful "free" check they are sending out to us. My wife and I have not yet decided how to handle that. I am tempted to send it back to them and tell them where to put it, but we'll probably put it in a college fund for our grandchild. He/she is going to need it thanks to the morons we have at the federal level. How about you??? You on the dole???

I can't help but notice that you just cruised right on by the issue of helping people with your own resources and encouraging them to live responsibly so that they might exist FREE from poverty. Is it because you actually want them dependent on the feds so that those chains of slavery might become a little tighter? After all, it's nice to have a dependable voting bloc. "Vote for us! We'll give you a free cell phone!"

I am happy to report that I do not take government handouts and I am not living off the public dole. The only exception is this gosh-awful "free" check they are sending out to us. My wife and I have not yet decided how to handle that. I am tempted to send it back to them and tell them where to put it, but we'll probably put it in a college fund for our grandchild. He/she is going to need it thanks to the morons we have at the federal level. How about you??? You on the dole???

I can't help but notice that you just cruised right on by the issue of helping people with your own resources and encouraging them to live responsibly so that they might exist FREE from poverty. Is it because you actually want them dependent on the feds so that those chains of slavery might become a little tighter? After all, it's nice to have a dependable voting bloc. "Vote for us! We'll give you a free cell phone!"

1. I live within my own means. I'll never be rich though as far as money goes but blessed as far as a good life.

2. Way back in post #10



2. Easy preacher dude, poor people don't have resources and depend on help, and just because you are involved in church/charity work, don't even try thinking others never have. I force no one to do anything, and maybe it's just sour grapes that you get outvoted for the things that you peeve about. Don't blame me and stop assuming I've never worked with churches and charities. I ain't got no money, but I do have time and experience to love, guide, and support those that need it, and do!


Guess you missed it.

Not saying I haven't had my share of failures and deaths though. Humbling to say the least.

1. I live within my own means. I'll never be rich though as far as money goes but blessed as far as a good life.Glad to hear it.


2. Way back in post #10. Guess you missed it.Then keep up the good work.


Not saying I haven't had my share of failures and deaths though. Humbling to say the least.I can say the same thing. That's kind of the bad part about getting old. The failures accumulate, and there is frequently not much to be done for it. But it is a great aid to my prayer life!!

Glad you understand if not improve.

I approve of/respect any man who fought his way through difficulty and provided for his family. I suspect that is you.

I appreciate that.