"What's the problem? A few tens of thousands dead more or less because of my delay. There's plenty more where that came from. No big deal!"


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1250470557520281600/DnApOYeQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

Just trimming the population in those democrat boroughs

Until it gets to the republican stix, the military, and the unreported old folks homes in all the states. Doesn't seem to take much to get started. Once it starts I don't think your political party will have much to do with it.

Hard to believe, but Lindsey Graham claims Trump saved "millions of lives" by his action fighting the virus. Trump did exactly nothing for the entire month of February and nothing for 2-3 weeks into March.

After Trump's soft ban on China January 31, he dropped the ball, saying there was no problem, "I will fix it", and other idiotic statements.

During that 70 days, he was repeatedly warned by his advisors, the CDC, WHO, Drs. Fauci and Birx, the media, and his political appointees that a pandemic was coming. He ignored them all until the situation became overwhelming, even for a buffoon like Trump.

Those SBA loans are out of money, before the average man has seen a dime, as unemployment and long food bank lines are growing. Yeah we will be back to normal in May and the dufus can't wait to see live sports again. Who will he blame in May when none of that happens?

Ah the darling month of May, well April is a writeoff

No telling at this time how many months we have to write off. We learn as we go.

I'll just start with today which is a write off so far,

I'm still trying to finish stuff I did't get to yesteday, and likely there will be enough leftover for Saturday as well.

the malaise has set in, I've got a half painted gable on the end of my house

Tell me about it! Malais should be for sandwiches not chores and projects. I like sandwiches...chores and projects not so much.

I have a number of incomplete projects, lack of motivation and following a directive to stay at home doesn't help

I'm at home a lot anyway, and have a lot of plain lazy days...like today for instance. Maybe tomorrow too, we will just have to wait and see! I could really use a bidet, with a power brush attachment on days like this.

I'm at home a lot anyway, and have a lot of plain lazy days...like today for instance. Maybe tomorrow too, we will just have to wait and see! I could really use a bidet, with a power brush attachment on days like this.

Bidet retrofit for existing toilets are readily available on the internet, $70, you could invite jl over to fit it for you. You and I seem to share the same work plan

I could really use a bidet, with a power brush attachment on days like this.
Do you mean this one, tal?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQM__8Jn978&feature=youtu.be

Yes That's it,
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Do you mean this one, tal?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQM__8Jn978&feature=youtu.be

LOL, I think a butt butler is a great idea. Might save on toilet paper too.


Yes That's it,
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I've seen them for years and Euros love them but a rotating brush would be a nice addition...variable speeds and self cleaning, of course. Maybe a scent spritzer too that covers funky farts! That would be innovative.

What 70 days were these ? They had to have been before January 6 when Trump's CDC began taking action.

Was that when they found out the tests didn't work? We still are rationing what tests we do have after the dufus proudly proclaims we have done more testing than anybody in the world which is true using just raw numbers, but we are last in per capita testing, but if thats all you got then that's all you got. Doesn't help if it's not a priority to ramp up testing and states certainly are trying by hook, crook, and steath since FEMA is intercepting shipments, helped by the FBI.

Feds VS States doesn't help.

January 3 CDC Director Robert Redfield sent an email to the director of the Chinese CDC, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus.
CDC Director Redfield sent another email to the Chinese CDC Director, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak,Jan 6 CDC issued a travel notice on Wuhan, China, before any U.S. infection arose.


Jan 6 CDC issued a travel notice on Wuhan, China, before any U.S. infection arose.

The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.



Jan 17 CDC began enhanced screening for COVID-19 symptoms at three U.S. airports, in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York's JFK. U.S. infections: Zero.



Jan 20
CDC opened an emergency operations center after one U.S. COVID-19 patient was diagnosed.
Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.

Jan 21 CDC expanded COVID-19 checks to airports in Chicago and Atlanta.

CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.

January 21The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.

Jan 20 Trump tweeted that he made an offer to President Xi Jinping to send experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak.
CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.


Jan 29 Trump creates the coronavirus task force

Jan 31
One day after the WHO declared COVID-19 a “Public Health Emergency of International Concern,” Trump restricted travel from China.Quid pro Joe this policy “hysterical xenophobia.” CDC began the first mandatory quarantines since the 1960s. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared “a public health emergency in the United States.”

Feb 2
CDC added Honolulu, Seattle and Dulles airports to those already screening travelers from China.

Feb 4 FDA
allowed emergency use of CDC’s COVID-19 test in non-CDC labs. “My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from” COVID-19, Trump said in his State of the Union address.

Feb 5
White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and Secretary Azar briefed lawmakers on COVID-19. “Several House lawmakers of both parties said the administration has the situation under control,” the Seattle Times reported.







https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/some-lawmakers-confront-trump-administration-over-coronavirus-response/


The House Foreign Affairs Committee held a hearing on “The Wuhan Coronavirus.” This was the first time that either House of Congress addressed this . They were all too preoccupied trying to convict Trump.

Feb 6
CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.


Feb 9
Trump’s Coronavirus Task Force briefed the states' chief executives at the National Governors Association Meeting.

Feb 11
HHS expanded collaboration with Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen Research & Development division to produce a COVID-19 vaccine.

Feb 12 The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.


Feb 14
CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.



Feb 18

HHS offered expertise and funds to help Sanofi Pasteur develop a COVID-19 vaccine and treatments.




Feb 26 Trump assigned VP Mike Pence to lead the administration’s COVID-19 response.

Feb 24
The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

Feb 29
FDA let LabCorp, Quest, and other diagnosticians develop COVID-19 tests and liberated states to engage some 2,000 such laboratories. The administration discouraged travel to parts of South Korea and Italy and restricted arrivals from Iran.

March 3
CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.”

March 4
The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.
Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.



March 6
Trump signed $8.3 billion in COVID-19 response funds approved by both Houses of Congress on March 4 .

March 10
Trump and Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.

March 11 Trump restricts travel from Europe .

March 13
, Trump proclaimed a national emergency, unleashed $42 billion, forgave student-loan interest; deregulated telemedicine, interstate medical practice and the hiring of physicians at hospitals; and persuaded Costco, Walmart and other retailers to launch drive-thru COVID-19 tests. FDA let Roche and Thermo Fisher produce COVID-19 tests.
HHS announced funding for the development of two new rapid diagnostic tests, which would be able to detect coronavirus in approximately 1 hour.

March 15
HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week.
Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.

All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus
March 16 Trump Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time. Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance.
The FDA announced it was empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their states.
Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following.

March 17
The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators.

March 18
Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.He also temporarily closed the US Canada border to non-essential travel. He also announced that he plans
to invoke the Defense Production Act .Also FEMA activated in every region at its highest level of response .The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships. All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.
HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines.

March 19
Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients.
The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus.
Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response

March 20
Secretary Azar sent a letter to all 50 Governors that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs

Tom, what these people are saying is that aside from those more than 30 actions, Trump has done nothing.

I have acknowledged the huge challenge we face and anyone would be hard pressed to catch up to this virus effectively. Having said that though, take the dufus from the equation, because he has done nothing but take credit for what the governors and his administration have accomplished since this thing started. The people around him are trying their best no doubt, but it can't be easy fighting a REAL virus, and a REAL dufus at the same time.

I might feel different if not for his daily public antics and lies during these serious times, which amounts to self promotion more than leadership, but to be honest I wouldn't be foolish enough to follow him anywhere, or believe anything he says.

Case in point the gathering evidence that his promotion of a drug is proving more dangerous than useful in fighting the virus except maybe those fighting an underlying ailment which the drug is used for any way. Fauci said that in the beginning though, but who listens to him?

he has done nothing but take credit for what...his administration have accomplished So he is taking credit for what his administration has done??? Whoever heard of such a thing.


I might feel different if not for his daily public antics and lies during these serious times,I don't think you would.

What do you think Presidents do ? Wash beakers in a lab ? Of course his administrators took action at his direction . I could've posted another 30 or more actions taken by the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION since where I cut it off on March 20. I thought maybe you would get the point .

The man who tells us to trust science and the scientific method comes to a conclusion by a non-peer reviewed study that had a total of 368 patients in VA hospitals . I'm sure they determined in advance optimal dosage and duration of treatment .And how critical were the patients ?

Now Novartis is going to be doing an FDA sponsored clinical trial in more than a dozen sites around the country . It will be far more extensive and ethical.

Just not going to let me sound fair are you? The whole administration is incompetent and that starts at the top. Your 30 talking points you think are so great is nothing but proclamations and paper shuffling that have accomplished NOTHING.

Happy now? Or did you expect me to point by point knock down all those claims of excellence you want to credit the dufus for? The bottom line is always what is really accomplished so far? We're still waiting for PPE for essential workers, and testing for everybody after how many months?

You cannot ignore that!

Funny thing about PPE . The Chinese knew they unleashed this hell on the world .So one of the first things they did was to corner the market . This at the same time that
US manufacturers like 3M and Honeywell told the White House that China prohibited them from exporting their products from China .. The ChiComs spent a fortune early in the year buying up the international stock of PPE.They even sold back to Italy the PPE that Italy had donated to them .

Should we blame the Chinese for being ruthless opportunistic capitalists, or our own business community for getting into dumb contracts with authoritarians, leaving the homeland very dependent on the competition? Another point of contention for me that during a pandemic they invested in their own self interest and reap the rewards. You could make the case that 3M and Honeywell didn't get in on the opportunity with their own American plants. Not the first time American plants overseas got caught taking foreign profits from ruthless governments against American interests.

So Tom, what did Washington do about the ChiComs blocking export to America?

well we did not drop a nuke if that is what yiu mean . This wasn't a matter of bad contracts . This was a matter of the Chicoms violating contracts . 3M manufactures in China to export to the US . Was it a bad deal for the US ? Clearly . I don't know when 3M went to China . I can almost guarantee that it was not on Trump's watch . He was railing against bad business deals with China for years before he ran for President .

The US government ;the state of Missouri ,various health care providers have filed or is in the process of filing lawsuits against China .

Me I would go further . I would let the Chinese know that as of today ,their Treasury holdings have the value of toilet paper until this is resolved . I would also get together with the rest of the G7 and formally sue them for trillions for patent violations and
Articles Six and Seven of the International Health Regulations [IHRs], a Treaty to which China is a signatory and legally obliged to uphold. I would hold an investigation in China's role in hiding a number of factors about the Wuhan virus 'sanction Xi and all his ministers ;deny China the right to have pharmaceuticals in the US supply chain. China has tried to blame the US for the outbreak going so far as to say we intentionally released it . That effort has to be challenged . Already some 3rd world nations are buying into that bs .

Me I would go further . I would let the Chinese know that as of today ,their Treasury holdings have the value of toilet paper until this is resolved .I'm not sure any nation as dependent on credit as we sadly are can afford to make itself look unreliable as regards it debts. But then if we lost our ability to borrow easy money, it could be the best thing to happen to us.

You may be interested in this as some background

https://knowledge.ckgsb.edu.cn/2014/02/13/china/3m-company-china-china/

I wasn't looking for nuking China, but an explanation and restitution in a very big way would be in order. This is a dirty premeditated move by anyone's imagination. As bad as the dufus trade wars? Stupid but not even close.

Seizing their assets would be a big shot across the bow . They could retaliate .however they need American investment in their country more than we need them .But yeah that is probably not going to happen Maybe we could convince them to "forgive " some of their holding of US debt as part of a restitution . It is time to stop treating them like a reliable trading partner and begin disengagement . China knew that person to person transmission was happening by the 2nd week of December . They hid that fact until January 20. The WHO went to bat for them and their lie on Jan 14. They are complicit in an act of wmd terrorism by their cover up and denials.

"3M became the first wholly-owned foreign-invested enterprise in China in 1984 and has since invested more than $1 billion in the country. 3M China has now grown to more than 11 sites and 8,000 employees."
https://news.3m.com/press-release/company/3m-makes-greater-commitment-chinas-west-region

Seizing their assets would be a big shot across the bow . They could retaliate .however they need American investment in their country more than we need them .But yeah that is probably not going to happen Maybe we could convince them to "forgive " some of their holding of US debt as part of a restitution . It is time to stop treating them like a reliable trading partner and begin disengagement . China knew that person to person transmission was happening by the 2nd week of December . They hid that fact until January 20. The WHO went to bat for them and their lie on Jan 14. They are complicit in an act of wmd terrorism by their cover up and denials.

I was thinking more along the lines of 3M taking actions since it amounts to one entity breaking the contract, by stopping exports than between two governments squabbling. Isn't that the free market solution? I'm surprised them and other MNC haven't gone that route before.

I've always thought that American companies took to much guff off of foreign nations when dealing with government run businesses. I know hard to give up the Chinese markets or any other for that matter, and stop your cut of the profits, but a breach of contract lawsuit by GM and others would at least leverage some renegotiations with better terms and outcomes. Not like they don't have PROOF and the lawyers to push it.

I mean what's the point of being a capitalists if your scared of pissing off authoritarian governments? I was downright disappointed when the NBA didn't tell Xi to screw himself, or Microsoft allowing their product to be sanitized for Chinese consumption. Yes I blame Big Biz for being exploited for their GREED!


"3M became the first wholly-owned foreign-invested enterprise in China in 1984 and has since invested more than $1 billion in the country. 3M China has now grown to more than 11 sites and 8,000 employees."
https://news.3m.com/press-release/company/3m-makes-greater-commitment-chinas-west-region

With that kind of investment one wonder what their ROI is!

Thought we could start the day with a little humor.

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Not to bad...

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Wouldn't the fourth one down sort of be the equivalent of holding your nose and voting for Biden?

Not really, GO JOE GO!

Hmmm. Your cartoon. Your nose.

When you don't have a solution, any solution will do

Hmmm. Your cartoon. Your nose.

Thankfully I can STOP holding my nose and vote for Joe, who might do better than firing an experienced pandemic response official and replace him with a dog breeder.


When you don't have a solution, any solution will do

Joe would be a better solution than the dufus.

A little different outlook for Trump. Thank goodness the dems are the party of openness and fairness.

Michigan State Representative Karen Whitsett (D-Detroit) has recovered from the Wuhan coronavirus. Now, the lawmaker faces a censure (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/23/democrats-plan-censure-lawmaker-whitsett-credited-trump-covid-19-recovery/3010947001/) from her Democratic colleagues for crediting Trump for her recovery.

Detroit Rep. Karen Whitsett says (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-trump-and-hydroxychloroquine-saved-my-life-n2566448) she was experiencing the worst symptoms associated with the coronavirus before she took the drug hydroxychloroquine. If it weren't for President Trump, Rep. Whitsett says the drug wouldn't have been accessible to patients like herself. Less than two hours after taking hydroxychloroquine, the lawmaker said she began feeling the first signs of relief.

"If President Trump had not talked about [hydroxychloroquine], it would not be something that's accessible" in Michigan "because of an order that was put down in my state," Whitsett explained (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-trump-and-hydroxychloroquine-saved-my-life-n2566448) on Fox News earlier this month.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/23/democrats-plan-to-censure-colleague-who-credited-trump-for-her-coronavirus-recovery-n2567537

Joe would be a better solution than the dufus.


I can see how you would think one geriatric might be as good as another

@JL

Snake oil testimonial. Well known the drug is used widely to treat other conditions including one of which this legistlator suffers, and has previously been treated effectively with drug, but telling is while she credits the drug for her recovery, her clinicians have not. Now I can see the dufus and his hopeful sycophants glomming on this spin, but you cannot ignore she may have recovered without it, as many have, or the studies that have shown it ineffective for corona19. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths)

So of course her colleagues aren't happy this dem would help the dufus sell his snake oil. Ask Romney what happens when a repub crosses the dufus is a similar story.


I can see how you would think one geriatric might be as good as another

Got something against old people?

I don't know if the drug helped her or not, but she is convinced it did. I just think it's interesting that the liberal democrat party is going to sanction one of it's own because she had the temerity to say something nice about the man they love to hate. And she is the second black pol in one week to draw the ire of the democrats for saying something positive about Trump. It sure seems that the democrats think they own black voters and politicians. "Hey over there! You get back in line. Who do you think you are, a free American or something?"


Got something against old people?I thought the same thing, Tal. It was a strange comment.

@JL



Got something against old people?

Tal I'm older than both and more lucid than both, so no, but I don't believe people of that age belong in politics

totally agree . Change the constitution. If 36 is the youngest a person can be to quailfy for President ,then double it and say nobody over 72 should qualify to run ,

Reagan was in his seventies for most of his presidency and he was the best we have had in a long time.

He was 69 when he ran in 1980.Biden is 77 which means that he is older than Reagan was at the end of his second term.

I would seriously advise against voting for Biden. His age is the least of his problems, but bear in mind that Reagan was 73 when he ran for re-election. Your Constitutional change would have prohibited that.

Such a change to the constitution would be a daunting challenge so we leave it to the peeps for now, though its an interesting prospect. Of course the peeps can deal with that by not nominating an old coot in the first place.

Of course the peeps can deal with that by not nominating an old coot in the first place.Very true. In fact I was thinking yesterday of how low the quality of younger pols must be to have Trump and Biden being the only two choices.

but bear in mind that Reagan was 73 when he ran for re-election. Your Constitutional change would have prohibited that.
incumbents don't count . that is the new amendment also :)

tal I have understood for a long time that it is almost impossible to make amendments under the traditional way of Congress proposing them .That is why there has only been 3 passed since 1965 . But as you know I am in favor of a constitutional way where the "peeps " really have a say.

Do away with the electoral collge while you're at it, and political gerrymandering. It's a simple computer function.

like you said let the peope decide . Gerrymandering is not in the Constitution . It is a state's power. I don't believe an amendment would even pass through a convention of states . They are unlikely to give up one of their powers . Get rid of the electoral college then you get rid of federalism .You may as well dissolved states because states will be geographic constructs and not sovereign. You live in Texas . I doubt most Texans would like a nation where Texas doesn't have the influence and power it has .

Texas is already a geographical construct with amazing wealth. You better get here before it turns as blue as NY.

Better still get out before CV gets you

Texas is opening for business and testing is ramping up slowly. Just got my supply of masks.

Texas is opening for business and testing is ramping up slowly. Just got my supply of masks.

Masks don't help, but using a antispetic gargle regularly might. Social distancing helps too but the best way is to be far away from the infection sites

People are infection sites and masks may help though how much who can know. We do know the risk go up without them. Does mouth wash kill the virus? I didn't know that.

People are infection sites and masks may help though how much who can know. We do know the risk go up without them. Does mouth wash kill the virus? I didn't know that.

Apparently the virus lodges in the throat for a few days before descending to the lungs, using an antiseptic gargle kills it in the throat

Apparently the virus lodges in the throat for a few days before descending to the lungs, using an antiseptic gargle kills it in the throat
And spit out all the mucus etc. after each gargle.

The prevalent test is a nose swab, so spit instead of swallow with or without the mouthwash.

Yes I hear that nose swab is unpleasant, but how can you tell if you have CV19 when the flu is much the same

Trump's delay in responding to the Covid-19 outbreak resulted in 36,000 deaths according to epidemiologists at Columbia University. Other studies have put the figure as high as 60,000 deaths.

During the delay in responding, Trump spent his time golfing and holding rallies. He was warned in plenty of time to react that the pandemic was happening but he called it a "hoax". Later, he said bizarrely, that he knew it was a pandemic before anybody else.

The history books now have another major item to associate with Trump - one of only three presidents to be impeached in more than 200 years, and the president that fiddled while his country burned.

Yes I hear that nose swab is unpleasant, but how can you tell if you have CV19 when the flu is much the same

A scientist can tell. I can't.

Trump's delay in responding to the Covid-19 outbreak resulted in 36,000 deaths according to epidemiologists at Columbia University. Other studies have put the figure as high as 60,000 deaths.

During the delay in responding, Trump spent his time golfing and holding rallies. He was warned in plenty of time to react that the pandemic was happening but he called it a "hoax". Later, he said bizarrely, that he knew it was a pandemic before anybody else.

The history books now have another major item to associate with Trump - one of only three presidents to be impeached in more than 200 years, and the president that fiddled while his country burned.

The disgusting part is the dufus push to restore the economy while he pushes addressing the virus to the states puts us all at a greater risk of the virus. Second wave through the south predicted within the next month. It's not even Memorial Day yet and the spikes are already popping up.

The disgusting part is the dufus push to restore the economy while he pushes addressing the virus to the states puts us all at a greater risk of the virus. Second wave through the south predicted within the next month. It's not even Memorial Day yet and the spikes are already popping up.

I feel for you over there, the virus has been a very mild outbreak here, lots of fear but actually much less impact than the flu, any problems are just the result of panic, because someone used the word pandemic, he is probably just looking at our experience and wishing he could translate it into his

Really hope it stays that way for you folks. Please send us some mouthwash.

Yeah. The solution is plainly just to shut down the entire economy, lock everyone in their homes, and let the nation starve. Then, after a few months of that, we can open up what's left of the economy and end up on the level of Mexico. But that would at least solve the problem of illegal immigration. No one would want to come here.

A serious economic depression would be at least as dangerous as this virus if not more so. Sweden did not shut down and they are doing better than several of the larger European nations that tried to lock things down.

To date no one has starved and food has been distributed robustly and as you have noted before the whole economy hasn't been shut down. Just the blue collar folks. You want to compare us to Sweden though? This is what the Swedish Ambassador said recently

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-02/sweden-coronavirus-voluntary-strategy

"In the meantime, life is not carrying on as normal in Sweden. Most people are staying at home voluntarily. Domestic train travel, a major means of transportation, has fallen drastically, and almost all domestic flights have been canceled. Many businesses have closed. Unemployment is expected to rise dramatically. In response, the government has approved crisis packages to mitigate the financial impact of the pandemic on Swedish businesses and workers."

Our ways of getting money to the people that need it seems way to slow. Just adding to the fears of those workers, since many threats have been made if those workers don't go back to work here as we rush to reopen.