Q: How many people does it take for Donald Trump to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Three. One to screw in the bulb, the second to bill the Secret Service $20K for security lighting, and the third to appear on Fox News to claim Obama left the country in the dark.


A: Trick question. Trump doesn't use light bulbs since, like windmills, they cause cancer. Once Jared is done curing the virus, he will head up a task force to find an alternative to light bulbs. Then a Fox News "scientist" will claim Trump invented the light bulb.

Thanks to George Conway - husband of Kelly Ann.

I don't do cartoons, so this will have to do.

I do cartoons...

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12kAqd.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVffVDbWkAE5ivT?format=jpg&name=900x900

A convert? You learn fast Athos.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12o3Ej.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

While not a joke, this is a great piece on how Trump is seen by the UK media.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52276004

well that was a non piece if ever there was one

Of course you didn't read the embedded links in the story Ben linked. Lays out the dufus incompetence quite well

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52125039

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52012049

Need more?

Yes we don't need any new pieces to point that out, Trump is doing what he is capable of, being a TV star who says few words and thinks even less. We know he reflects the mentality of his supporters, but right now your nation needs more than a President who fires his detractors. Trump thinks he is still firing apprentices when he should be leading

You sorta of hit the nail on the head Clete. His pressers are as digusting as ever. Now he is investigating the WHO, and citizens are waiting for their bailout checks, delayed so the dufus can get his name on them...UGH!

Trumper is now trying to assemble a "team" of economists and big business owners to agree with him that the US must open up by May 1. When things go to hell, we can point to the team (not him) as being the ones who opened things up.

More and more, Trump is living in an alternate reality and is becoming more and more dangerous. His behavior is predicted to be increasingly out of touch with his normal surroundings. This explains why he makes daily claims at the ridiculous press conferences that he is "totally" in charge, he knew about the pandemic "long before anyone else", and his actions are "beautiful".

perhaps he is suffering from social distancing syndrome

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52317673
Got to love the hypocrisy of this, not to mention the costs involved.

The rules for thee, and the rules for thou, have been in practice for a long time. Money can't buy happiness but it can get you a second home...or three...or four...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52317673
Got to love the hypocrisy of this, not to mention the costs involved.

Ivanka breaks the rules, a daughter of privilege and also corrupt, considering her statement about her China business and trademarks granted. Like father, like daughter.

While not a joke, this is a great piece on how Trump is seen by the UK media.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52276004

Thank goodness HC, JB, and HB never broke any rules.

Democrats Rush to Defend Kavanaugh After he Puts on a Joe Biden Mask.

https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-5988-1-thumb.jpg

Thank goodness HC, JB, and HB never broke any rules.
They didn't talk and act that way either. I looked at a video of him when much younger -- articulate, responded well to his interviewer, had appropriate facial expressions, didn't repeat phrases ad infinitum. Now, watch his news briefings. (P.S. Why are you deflecting?)

You do realize that, in the spirit of levity, my remark was tongue in cheek? Biden doesn't repeat phrases since about half the time he can't remember them.

Deflecting? Nah. More like pointing out the rampant hypocrisy of democrats who were fine with HC but want to constantly ride the Trump horse. Can't have it both ways. Kavanaugh accused of even being around sexual assault? Crucify him! Biden actually accused of sexual assault? Well, boys will be boys, the statute of limitations might have run out, you can't trust what a woman says, or any other excuse a person can come up with.

You do realize that, in the spirit of levity, my remark was tongue in cheek? Biden doesn't repeat phrases since about half the time he can't remember them.

Deflecting? Nah. More like pointing out the rampant hypocrisy of democrats who were fine with HC but want to constantly ride the Trump horse. Can't have it both ways. Kavanaugh accused of even being around sexual assault? Crucify him! Biden actually accused of sexual assault? Well, boys will be boys, the statute of limitations might have run out, you can't trust what a woman says, or any other excuse a person can come up with.
I see. You refuse to acknowledge Trump's mental and emotional and psychological problems.

You haven't identified any. Not only that, you aren't really qualified to identify them simply by watching someone on television. Not sure that anyone is, but if they are, they would need to be an unbiased observer.

You haven't identified any. Not only that, you aren't really qualified to identify them simply by watching someone on television. Not sure that anyone is, but if they are, they would need to be an unbiased observer.
You didn't read the link I posted. And I'm unbiased and qualified, had decided to vote for him until he mocked the handicapped man; his problems are very obvious.

I'm unbiased and qualifiedYou might have some slim chance of convincing me that you can diagnose mental illness without ever meeting the person, but your chances of convincing me you are unbiased are absolutely nil.

I did read the article. It was one person's opinion. Please, please tell me you are not trying to make a diagnosis based upon someone else's observations.

You might have some slim chance of convincing me that you can diagnose mental illness without ever meeting the person, but your chances of convincing me you are unbiased are absolutely nil.

I did read the article. It was one person's opinion. Please, please tell me you are not trying to make a diagnosis based upon someone else's observations.
In the beginning, I was excited about his run for president. I loved watching "The Apprentice" and respected him as a businessman who would be an important change for the better in Washington.

After reading and listening to reports of people who've spent time with him, I have no doubt the man needs serious help and should be rehomed to a safe place.

I feel the same way about HC. I think Biden borders on dementia. I guess we all have our opinions. In your case, I suspect your basic support of abortion and the gay agenda has much to do with your opposition to Trump.

I suspect your basic support of abortion and the gay agenda has much to do with your opposition to Trump.
What's wrong about the LGBTQIA "agenda"?

What's wrong about the LGBTQIA "agenda"?

you have to ask? they want us all to be like them

you have to ask? they want us all to be like them
Not true! They simply want to be who they are and want the rest of us to be who we are. The opposite is true about them wanting us to be like them. The straights (cis people) want them to be like the cis are.

Perhaps you would be more comfortable with Biden had he paid a few women to keep their mouth shut, and gay people are humans too, they want what straight people want, acceptance and a chance at life love and happiness...and freedom from discrimination and bias, just like everybody else.

you would be more comfortable with BidenYou're the one comfortable with a guy who has been accused of sexual assault. You're also the one who went on and on endlessly about the need for all of us to believe Dr. Ford's poorly supported accusations against Kavanaugh. Why the double standard? Kavanaugh for SCOTUS? Never!! Biden for pres? Absolutely!! Again, why the double standard? Sure sounds like basic politics.

You voted for the dufus and supported Kavanaugh, so don't get crazy for us supporting Biden. Geez if dems have to act like repubs to get the white house cleaned out...why NOT? Go ahead call me names. If they are true its not name calling and we just throw rocks until after the election.

AND BEYOND! 8D

I don't call names.

You gave no justification for how you could have lost your mind about Kavanaugh, but then have a thrill down your leg over Biden.

Its not like I'm comfortable with the accuasations just waiting to see how it plays out. The same way with Kavanaugh even though the drunk frat boy had much to be desired and his accuser like Bidens deserves to be taken seriously and heard. I just hope the dems don't make any investigations a sham whitewash like repubs did.

I ain't holding my breathe and I ain't voting repub either.

You really think there are going to be democrat party investigations of the sexual assault charges against Biden? I guess those will take place right after the democrat party investigation of his Ukraine connections relative to his son.

As you said, "I ain't holding my breath."

Biden and Ukraine are already settled except as a repub/dufus talking point for the election. Hmm all the repub investigations have gone nowhere in the last decade.

seems the demonrats and the pelicans have that in common

Biden and Ukraine are already settled except as a repub/dufus talking point for the election.Considering that it's not been investigated, then I guess you're right. But thank goodness you no doubt consider that the "Trumped up" charges for impeachment hearing are already settled as well except, of course, as a talking point for the dems.

Dems proved the case conclusively, even without the Mueller Report, but repubs already were waving the free pass card for the dufus, and when you have the jury in your pocket it was a foregone conclusion what the outcome would be. We've beaten that horse though and all the other repub investigations of dems so it's water under the bridge for now, as this virus and the dufus handling of it is front and center.

We've gone from boom to bust rather fast and it's not getting better, with more poor people, more sick people, and more dead people.

Dems proved the case conclusivelySure they did.

The case against HC was proved conclusively, but the FBI director, after Lynch met with BC in private for 45 minutes, simply took it upon his democrat self not to press charges. But there was no doubt that she did what was alleged.


We've gone from boom to bust rather fast and it's not getting better, with more poor people, more sick people, and more dead people. The good news is the dem controlled Congress is staying home. Best thing that could have happened. Let the pres do the leading.

So where is the turleface and his band of merry mushrooms? The SBA money is gone and those that needed it didn't get it so where did it go? States cannot process the money to Mainstreet but Wall Street is still doing great! This pandemic has shown our weakness that need to be addressed in many areas of our society, while the dufus blusters and dithers and blames everybody else for his own incompetence.

those that needed it didn't get it How do you know they didn't get it? CNN report?

How do you know they didn't get it? CNN report?

Because it's gone and people are lining up in food lines.

so nothing new then. I heard that the death rate hasn't changed, this is despite all the CV deaths

so nothing new then. I heard that the death rate hasn't changed, this is despite all the CV deaths

I don't know what you mean about the death rates hasn't changed as some parts of the population like the poor elderly, and minorities, have indeed been hard hit by the virus so you may have to explain that and the poverty rate has definitely increased tremendously due to the virus.

Let the pres do the leading.
The WHAT???

I don't know what you mean about the death rates hasn't changed as some parts of the population like the poor elderly, and minorities, have indeed been hard hit by the virus so you may have to explain that and the poverty rate has definitely increased tremendously due to the virus.

Well maybe there are fewer motor accidents, and fewer gun deaths and winter takes the elderly anyway with flu and such like so it balances out

Well maybe there are fewer motor accidents, and fewer gun deaths and winter takes the elderly anyway with flu and such like so it balances out

I think you self-identify as a "Christian"?

Did Jesus say,

Blessed are the motor accidents, for they thin the herd.
Blessed are the gun murderers, for they keep the streets clean.
Blessed are the seasons, for they eliminate those pesky old people.

I think you missed his point. Either that or I missed his point.

I think you self-identify as a "Christian"?

Did Jesus say,

Blessed are the motor accidents, for they thin the herd.
Blessed are the gun murderers, for they keep the streets clean.
Blessed are the seasons, for they eliminate those pesky old people.


What has my being a christian have to do with anything?


I think you missed his point. Either that or I missed his point.

He only wants to point score but he is way off this time, my point is things are not really any worse than they usually are, it is just that people don't connect the dots


I think you self-identify as a "Christian"?

Did Jesus say,

Blessed are the motor accidents, for they thin the herd.
Blessed are the gun murderers, for they keep the streets clean.
Blessed are the seasons, for they eliminate those pesky old people.


What Jesus did say


³Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
⁴Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
⁵Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the Earth.
⁶Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
⁷Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
⁸Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
⁹Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
¹⁰Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
¹¹Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
¹²Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

so drawing your attention to the last three verses, I am blessed

Oh, I think you both know what was meant.

Oh, I think you both know what was meant.

Yes your allusion to my being a Christian was meant as a put down, but, in fact, you blessed me, something very unintentional

my point is things are not really any worse than they usually areThat's exactly what I got from your statement. It seemed rather clear.


I think you both know what was meant.Yes, we do. Exactly correct.

You cannot hide behind your religion and spout off about ignoring the least. People are sick and dying and you talk about the failing economy, debts and deficits? You guys are sicker than the dufus.

Oh get over yourself. No one has suggested we ignore the sick and dying.

The dufus did. He wants to open things up again amid the data saying otherwise and blames governors for what he himself is doing nothing about.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-governors-say-testing-still-isnt-adequate-enough-to-lift-restrictions/ar-BB12Unpi?ocid=spartanntp

Pick out his lies and comments the past few weeks regarding testing. So while you are imploring me to get over myself, you should get your own act in gear and do your own homework rather than blast on mine.

The economy has to be opened back up. Trump is talking about the process of doing so. So are a number of governors. "Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and the governors of six other northeast states on Monday announced they are forming a multi-state task force to develop a plan to reopen their economies in conjunction with efforts to control the coronavirus pandemic."
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cuomo-pursuing-regional-reopening-of-economy-with-15196963.php

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-reopening-economy-safely

"After spending weeks diving into coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus) issues over video conferencing, a bipartisan group of 50 House members (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/house-of-representatives) has crafted a plan for what's needed to reopen the economy safely and help businesses recover from crippling mandatory shutdowns."

Pick out his lies? It's your assertion. You do the work. Oh yeah. I keep forgetting that you are a lib dem. I guess that explains why you want someone else to do the work?

The obscession with money has got in the way of common sense, reopen the economy when there are no new infections

We keep talking about reopening the economy as though the economy is shut down. It is not really shut down. The unemployment rate is currently about 20%, meaning that something like 80% of people are still working. It has slowed down, but is certainly not closed down. We must reverse this trend, however, and the application of a little common sense would be helpful. There are entire states which are not shut down at all since it is not needed. Sweden is not shut down. Maybe if people stop calling names and throwing accusations around, it might prove helpful.

What Clete said makes sense, but so far JL unemployment is climbing and the number of states with NO infections doesn't exist, so correct me if I'm wrong in that the 80% still working is likely to decrease as well in time. Not so sure I'm ready to embrace the Swedish (https://www.foxnews.com/world/sweden-coronavirus-deaths-rise-guidelines) model.

New unemployment numbers in a week or so.

Let's suppose unemployment goes up to 25%. Even then the point remains. Most people are still working, so the economy is far from "shut down". People like to casually talk about an "obsession with money", but I haven't noticed any of them having three young kids, a mortgage, and two car payments. Those kind of people see money from a different perspective. We need to get them back to work as soon as common sense allows.

So here we are. The conservative is the one concerned about the welfare of the working men and women. Nothing new there.

If conservatives were really concerned they wouldn't want people to chance getting sick to make a mortgage payment, they would help them through this rough time until it was safe to return to work or some common sense safety considerations. You got any of those yet? Can you guarantee the safety of those workers?

Stay home until that can be done. That's common sense brought to you by progressive liberals.

No such thing as a risk free life. Maybe we should let those people make their own decision since we do, after all, live in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

I couldn't help but notice that your idea was, as is always the case, for someone else to help out those in need. "Stay in home." That's it? Stay in home in April, May, June, July, August, and on and on. Stay in home until the United States is an economic dead zone and NO ONE can support themselves. Yeah. Great idea.

Go to work, spread disease, infect coworkers and family, some may die. Yeah that sounds like a plan. Take your own risks, but you have to right to risk others with your looney right wing holier than though half baked desperate ideas.

If we're so great we will figure it out without killing folks or making them sick. Ain'tcha got a bible quote to guide you?

Drive your car to work even though you might be injured or killed in a wreck. Go to work even though someone might have the flu and infect you. The list goes on and on. The risk of contracting CV is high in some places, and very low in others, so maybe we could use a little bit of common sense here. Should we shut down police and fire services? Should we shut down hospitals? All of those people are at VERY high risk. How about grocery stores? Should we shut them down as well? Why do you seem to be OK with asking some people to take risks in order to keep you safe and fed? Why is that? Does it have anything to do with exercising a little common sense?

Funny how a guy who supports abortion so consistently wants to appear to be so protective of life. Deaths from abortions are outpacing deaths from CV by about 6 to 1. You want to suggest we do anything about that, or do you find that death toll to be acceptable?

I can accept that you're trying to be careful here. That's fine, but it's the high and mighty attitude that gets old. I'd be willing to go way out on a limb and predict that when you're behind on your bills and about to suffer financial catastrophe, you'll be at the front of the line of those who want to see the economy opened up as much as is possible.

1. Common sense tells us from evidence that this disease is highly infectous and easily transmitted and super hard to detect in someplaces. Driving requires seat belts that's the law.
I know small nuances mean nothing to you so you always have ridiculous comparisons.

2. Apples and oranges arguments. Abortions have been around for eons, the virus a few months.

3.Been there done that, might have to do it again.

Drive your car to work even though you might be injured or killed in a wreck. Go to work even though someone might have the flu and infect you. The list goes on and on. The risk of contracting CV is high in some places, and very low in others, so maybe we could use a little bit of common sense here. Should we shut down police and fire services? Should we shut down hospitals? All of those people are at VERY high risk. How about grocery stores? Should we shut them down as well? Why do you seem to be OK with asking some people to take risks in order to keep you safe and fed? Why is that? Does it have anything to do with exercising a little common sense?

Risk is weighed against what is essential. It's called risk management.


Funny how a guy who supports abortion so consistently wants to appear to be so protective of life.

People who are so protective of life as being against abortion, end that protective attitude of life at birth. Thanks to WG for that.


Deaths from abortions are outpacing deaths from CV by about 6 to 1. You want to suggest we do anything about that

I would suggest you not compare abortion and Covid-19. They are different issues.

Everybody wants the economy as open as possible. But not to unnecessarily endanger lives.

Risk is weighed against what is essential. It's called risk management.
That's not what risk management is. RM is the attempt to minimize risk in the pursuit of a desired objective. It is not necessary to have an essential objective.

People who are so protective of life as being against abortion, end that protective attitude of life at birth. Thanks to WG for that.Would be a good argument if it was even remotely close to being true, but even if it was, it would put you in the position of arguing that it is OK to kill unborn children since, after all, those evil conservatives won't do enough to help them if they are allowed to live. What a crazy argument.


I would suggest you not compare abortion and Covid-19. They are different issues.They both involve the loss of human life. I would agree that they are different regarding the fact that much is made of the loss of adult lives, but destroying unborn lives is, in your world, no big deal.


2. Apples and oranges arguments. Abortions have been around for eons, the virus a few months.Don't be ridiculous. Death from disease has been around much longer than abortion. Check out the Black Death. It makes this look like a walk in the park.

Your propencity to broad brush and compare is fascinating indeed, JL, so no doubt you can always compare apples and oranges without the need to examine the nuanced differences. Bet your sanctity of life doesn't extend to executing criminals does it?

Where do you draw the line at on who can be killed?

Bet your sanctity of life doesn't extend to executing criminals does it?You can be really funny. You accuse me of mixing oranges and apples, and then you make a statement like the one above. I guess you forgot about those "nuanced differences", sort of like the complete innocence of an unborn child as opposed to the terrible guilt of a child rapist and murderer??? Maybe those "nuanced differences" weren't nuanced enough for you.

I am not in favor of capital punishment.

I am not in favor of capital punishment.

you are anti abortion so I wouldn't expect you would be but how liberal are you afterall

That's not what risk management is. RM is the attempt to minimize risk in the pursuit of a desired objective. It is not necessary to have an essential objective.

I don't know how you could miss something so blazingly obvious.

Managing risk is simply identifying the dangers inherent in actions compared to the possible benefits of those actions.

Do me a favor. Please DO NOT reply to this. I have no desire to get into an unending useless discussion with you on this topic. Thank you.

You can be really funny. You accuse me of mixing oranges and apples, and then you make a statement like the one above. I guess you forgot about those "nuanced differences", sort of like the complete innocence of an unborn child as opposed to the terrible guilt of a child rapist and murderer??? Maybe those "nuanced differences" weren't nuanced enough for you.

I am not in favor of capital punishment.

I accuse you of nothing Mr. Sensitive, just put forth an observation. I'm against abortions but I can't get pregnant, nor in control of others opinions or actions and abortions within limits are lawful, despite any ones opinion, or actions. Not a fan of capital punishment, but again not my call.

Indeed we can all have opinions but the laws of the land prevail. Personally, a zygote isn't an unborn child, and big difference between adults who commit heinous acts and lawfully prosecuted. You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment, and you can languish in jail for lack of bail money and be innocent of any crime. Inequality is rampant, and makes for much nuance.

I don't know how you could miss something so blazingly obvious.

Managing risk is simply identifying the dangers inherent in actions compared to the possible benefits of those actions.

Do me a favor. Please DO NOT reply to this. I have no desire to get into an unending useless discussion with you on this topic. Thank you.So you gave an incorrect description of risk management, but I'm the one who missed something? Interesting. Your mistake was not "blazingly obvious", but it was a mistake.

If you don't want to discuss this, then do something else. No one has hijacked your keyboard.

You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishmentNo, Tal, the punishment for possession of dope and murder are not the same. That's the craziest statement I've heard in a long time.

As for abortion, you have the same tiresome position held by a lot of people. You are not in favor of abortion until, of course, someone wants to have one. Then you go into a meaningless discourse about "zygotes", and even at that you reveal that you don't know what a zygote is.


Inequality is rampant, and makes for much nuance.If you can't see the nuance, (more correctly, a cavernous difference), between a convicted, guilty child murderer and an innocent, unborn baby, then I can't help you.

You could at least fact checked me. Some states give drug dealers up to 40 years for selling drugs, more if other factors are included. The average sentence for murder is 24 years across the country.

Your abortion peeve is what's tiring here, JL and of course your opinion which may be different from others so stop the holier than thou crap on the subject. Maybe we both live in states that make laws to prevent it, but that doesn't make it wrong, or illegal for others that feel differently. It's disturbing on many levels that you can only affect a segment of the population with legislation, because as I have many times before said a female with resources, has options that you can't touch, so you can only deal with those that are the least among us to perpetrate your crusade. Moreover you have no problem taking those babies who become young kids to jails instead of evaluations or treatments as your approach, which blows the whole thing for me in MY opinion. Why can't I be against abortions without being a raving lunatic about it, or accept that others may not agree with my opinion?

What makes you think I need your help to make my own judgement calls? I understand myself and try to understand you. No biggie to me whether we agree or disagree, but I have certainly never asked for your help about anything. I'm not even trying to change your mind either. The nuance between right and wrong can be quite subjective as well as the motives behind them when dealing with humans.

You could at least fact checked me. Some states give drug dealers up to 40 years for selling drugs, more if other factors are included. The average sentence for murder is 24 years across the country.First of all, that's not what you posted, and why should I do YOUR fact checking?


Why can't I be against abortions without being a raving lunatic about it, or accept that others may not agree with my opinion?No one said you had to. But can a person also be against slavery, human-trafficking, murder, rape, or genocide and just casually accept that others may not agree with their opinion? Is that how it works now, that we don't advocate in the court of human opinion that some things are not merely wrong but tragically and despicably so? You advocate CONSTANTLY against Trump and seem to find it kind of hard to accept that others "may not agree with your opinion," but you object when someone stands up for the right of unborn children to live.


What makes you think I need your help to make my own judgement calls?Never said you did.

1. A good example of nuance. Just as there are degrees of murder there are degrees of dope. For years and even now the penalty for powder cocaine is different than for crack cocaine. You don't have to fact check me but you could verify what others post. I do, and you do to unless you are lazy or more often stubborn. I swear I think we are speaking different languages or from different planets my friend.

2.Of course they can, most are in fact, but opinions while they can guide actions, are not necessarily a deal breakers in human relationships. If it was half my family would be at war, so accepting those that don't agree isn't likely to mean much when dealing with those human behaviors that may be beyond the boundaries of good behavior or to the greater point ILLEGAL.

3.You said you can't help me, and I said I never asked for he nor needed it.

A good example of nuance. Just as there are degrees of murder there are degrees of dope.Agreed. And again, that's not what you said initially.


Of course they can, most are in fact, but opinions So the moral wrongness of slavery, murder, rape, genocide, and human trafficking is subject to differences of opinion? Wow. Well, it turns out we do indeed speak "different languages". I suppose if someone kidnaps one of your grandchildren and forces that child into prostitution, your only protest would be, "I think that's wrong, but that's only my opinion. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong about that."


You said you can't help me, and I said I never asked for he nor needed it.I didn't say I couldn't help you. I simply stated that I have not said you needed my help.

You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment


Looks like it to me.



So the moral wrongness of slavery, murder, rape, genocide, and human trafficking is subject to differences of opinion? Wow. Well, it turns out we do indeed speak "different languages". I suppose if someone kidnaps one of your grandchildren and forces that child into prostitution, your only protest would be, "I think that's wrong, but that's only my opinion. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong about that."

Another nuance of the law, which changed in the case of slavery (But not completely the struggle for civil rights and equal protection under the law which is still being waged on many fronts) after a war was fought and there are laws against the rest as well. Now much of that is also affected by duly authorized members of law enforcement who have their own codes of process and procedure, but for the personal example you offered, I would call a cop but cannot say I wouldn't be subjected to the law and charged with murder for my reaction which no doubt would go beyond protesting it.

Really? "Possession for Personal Use Over 28.5 Gram. Possession of more than 28.5 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months imprisonment. A fine up to $500 may be imposed as well. In cases when the possessed amount is 28.5 grams or even less, but the person is under the age of 21 possessing marijuana on school grounds, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 10 days imprisonment and fine up to $500."

Sure doesn't seem like it.

https://margarianlaw.com/penalties-possession-of-marijuana/

Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. Try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, anywhere in America.

Yeah those nuances again.

Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugsYou specified dope, so I went with dope. Now you want to change the "nuances" in an attempt to bail yourself out of trouble.

This is Mississippi. As you can see, it's hardly the equivalent of murder as you claimed it was. There's really nothing wrong in simply saying you were wrong, you worded it carelessly, or whatever. I would hope you don't really believe something that crazy anyway. I know you have better sense. I'm done with any discussion of trying to say murder and possession of dope are treated the same in courts. It's a ridiculous proposition.



30 g or less (first offense)
N/A
N/A
$ 250


30 g or less (second offense)
Misdemeanor
5* - 60 days
$ 250


30 g or less (third offense)
Misdemeanor
5 days* - 6 months
$ 1,000


30 - 250 g
Felony
1 - 3 years
$ 1,000

Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, antwhere in America.

Yeah those nuances again.
I'm with you, tal. Now and then, our Chicago newspapers report on a long-time prisoner being released after finally being cleared of a drug charge or even murder.

"Jail or prison time is also possible when a person is convicted of possession of a controlled substance. Jail sentences range widely depending on the crime charged, the type of drugs involved, and the state's laws, but can range from a few days or weeks to 10 years or more in prison."
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Possession-Controlled-Substance.htm

"Jail or prison time is also possible when a person is convicted of possession of a controlled substance. Jail sentences range widely depending on the crime charged, the type of drugs involved, and the state's laws, but can range from a few days or weeks to 10 years or more in prison."Yeah. I'm sure that jail sentences for murder range from, "a few days or weeks to 10 years or more." "What are you in for?" "Oh, they got me for murder and sent me up for two weeks because after all, like Tal said, we treat dope and murder just alike here in Chicago."

That's what you are agreeing with just in case you haven't followed this exchange.

Yeah. I'm sure that jail sentences for murder range from, "a few days or weeks to 10 years or more." "What are you in for?" "Oh, they got me for murder and sent me up for two weeks because after all, like Tal said, we treat dope and murder just alike here in Chicago."

That's what you are agreeing with just in case you haven't followed this exchange.
No, the reverse: Dope offenses are too often treated like murder.

You specified dope, so I went with dope. Now you want to change the "nuances" in an attempt to bail yourself out of trouble.

This is Mississippi. As you can see, it's hardly the equivalent of murder as you claimed it was. There's really nothing wrong in simply saying you were wrong, you worded it carelessly, or whatever. I would hope you don't really believe something that crazy anyway. I know you have better sense. I'm done with any discussion of trying to say murder and possession of dope are treated the same in courts. It's a ridiculous proposition.



30 g or less (first offense)
N/A
N/A
$ 250


30 g or less (second offense)
Misdemeanor
5* - 60 days
$ 250


30 g or less (third offense)
Misdemeanor
5 days* - 6 months
$ 1,000


30 - 250 g
Felony
1 - 3 years
$ 1,000




Those nuances escape you again don't they. I tried to tell you to
try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, anywhere in America. You keep picking the dope you know, like these drugs don't exist (https://www.drugpossessionlaws.com/mississippi/). How convenient or did you just miss it? Regardless you flunked your fact check homework open book assignment.

Possession of Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphetamines


These drugs are considered highly addictive and dangerous. It’s this that warrants their classification as Schedule I and Schedule II substances, according to Mississippi drug possession laws. The penalty you face for possessing these drugs is dependent on how much of the drug is found in your possesion.

Possession of a Schedule I or II drug is always classified as a felony.




Amount
Potential Penalty


Less than .1 gram
4 years in prison and fines reaching $10,000


.1 gram to less than 2 grams
2-8 years in prison and $50,000 in fines


2 grams to 10 grams
4-16 years in prison and $250,000 in fines


10 to 30 grams
6-24 years in prison and $500,000 in fines



Despite the bleak look of things, not all drug possession charges result in a prison sentence. Through plea bargaining or a successful defense at trial, you may be able to avoid the harshest of these penalties.


Possession of a Schedule I or II drug is always classified as a felony.

No, the reverse: Dope offenses are too often treated like murder.Yeah. Sure they are. I'm sure you have all kinds of people in for life because they smoked a joint.

Tal, your original statement was that murder and dope offenses were treated the same. It is as crazy now as it was then, and your attempt at changing the subject is so obvious it's just even more crazy.

If you are wanting to change the subject and talk about prison offenses given for possession of hard drugs, then we can talk about that, but stop acting like we're so stupid we can't spot your end run from a hundred miles away. You started with dope and when it became obvious that you had made a dumb statement you are trying to change the subject. Come on. Try a little honesty.

You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment,

What are you missing here?

What are you missing here?The fact that the two punishments are not only not the same, but not even CLOSE to being the same?

You do realize that "dope" is generally thought of as marijuana and that it's not a generic term for all drugs? At least that's the case in our area here. Maybe that's the source of our disagreement.

Otherwise, it's the ole bait'n'switch in action.

it's not a generic term for all drugs?


"Dope" has several connotations, one being drugs. This would include, but not exclusively, marijuana. Talinman is correct.

Could be.

Those nuances will get you every time unless you start recognizing them. How can you be a part of a rehab and not know dope means all of them in every form? Seems this discussion is more about your limited exposure to the subjects than my bait and switch. The good news is you can change that by simply broadening your perspective.

I think it would benefit you greatly.

How can you be a part of a rehab and not know dope means all of them in every form? Seems this discussion is more about your limited exposure to the subjects than my bait and switch. The good news is you can change that by simply broadening your perspective.As the only one here who actually does anything to help men in addiction, I can tell you that they often use "dope" to mean marijuana. It can mean more than that, but there is a reason there's a term out there which is "hard drugs". It distinguishes them from marijuana.

But even at that, your statement is still incorrect until you can show us where a person has been executed or sent to prison for life for possession of "dope" in whatever context you prefer. So yeah, those nuances have bitten you in the rear yet again.

Nice try to change the terms now it's executions. That's not what I posted. I proved you could get as much time for dope as murder in black and white and because you can't grasp it you change the parameters. I suppose the real differnce between us is big city vs rural communities. It just ain't the same experience. We both can be correct and no need for one of us to be wrong at all.

This is what you posted. "You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment." You said the punishments are the same, so if that is true, then people get executed and life in prison for "dope". You know that is not true, but your point is legit and I get it.

I am fine with having a discussion of jail penalties for drug possession. You might have a good point there. I've heard that discussed a lot. It seems not to be true that people are frequently put in prison for mere possession, but I'm not sure about that.

I cited the dope laws in Mississippi, from your link to illustrate the term dope encompasses a wide variety of drugs. From my own experiences even alcohol is a drug we refer to as liquid heroin though legal for many decades after prohibition, there are penalties for bad illegal behavior. Never heard of mj users being convicted of bad behavior, but possession use to be a jailable offense, but those laws are changing rapidly.

Personally I feel drug use is but a symptom of a greater problem in ones life that needs to be addressed. The drug of choice is almost irrelevant to the sufferer. Indeed it's a common thing I think, for any addict/alcoholic to use what's available at the time to feel better once that hank comes down.

I think we ought to hammer the drug sellers, and be less strict on those who use, but as long as the demand exists and the profit is large, then it's going to be a problem. Singapore has very few drug problems because the penalties are VERY steep including execution of those at the higher levels of sales of narcotics.

Another discussion to be had involves the deplorable conditions in our jails. I'm not speaking of the buildings themselves. I don't care about that. I'd pull out all the AC units and put the heater thermostat on 65 in the winter. Those guys aren't on vacation. No, I'm talking about the violence and drug use that goes on in so many of our prisons. They ought to be safe places.

1.LOL, so you advocate making the punishment for dope dealers EXACTLY the same as for murderers. Interesting.

2.Rather cruel approach to people in jail since most are there for non violent drug related offenses. Making bad conditions worse really helps the system, and ever wonder how dope gets in the prisons and jails in the first place? Go ahead start executing guards and families. I'm sure that will solve the problem, and make prisons safer places.

Wonder why people turn to that quick fix feel good in the first place, and become insane enough to take those penitentiary chances?

1.LOL, so you advocate making the punishment for dope dealers EXACTLY the same as for murderers. Interesting.Don't you remember what you said? You said it already was the same.

Actually, I didn't advocate for anything. I just said what Singapore was doing. They have but very little trouble with drugs.

Executing families? Have you lost your mind???

How does one get dope in a prison?

My understanding is that guards look the other way in exchange for an envelope.

Pretty much how it works on the mean streets too, and everywhere else. The tools of the trade, MONEY.

Sadly true.

It's highly complex for sure with desperate people caught up with some down right dirty ones, and I haven't included the addicts in the mix yet. Addicts and alcoholics are INSANE by virtue of their actions. Matters little the level of functionality.