Baltimore Mayor Jack Young wants residents to stop shooting each other because they need the hospital beds for Wuhan Flu patients .

“we cannot clog up our hospitals and their beds with people that are being shot senselessly because we’re going to need those beds for people infected with the coronavirus. And it could be your mother, your grandmother or one of your relatives. So take that into consideration.”

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/18/we-need-those-beds-baltimore-mayor-urges-people-to-put-down-guns-after-violence-continues-during-covid-19-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR2bcphEoP-D46e9V1dRKXujIFMXiarQeQ1aWFHZma7QcafvSoAcOXXu_Fw

These type of arse wipes will make any excuse to take LAW ABIDING CITIZENS firearms away from them: Typical Bolshevik B.S.....guy needs to go read the Constitution or renounce his citizenship and go to Red China.

Maybe I missed it vac but where in the article says anything about taking away your lawful guns? Sounds like the 2nd amendment types are paranoid.

@ Tom, criminals rarely take time off and maybe we should expect an uptick in crime when the economy goes south.

Crime is of opportunity to execute a criminal act.

Take away food from my family and I may become criminal.....and, certainly criminals will come as they smell blood in the water.

However, I reserve the right to defend my family and what is mine from anyone.....If you take law abiding citizens weapons, then law abiding citizens will becomes victims of criminal elements....Law Enforcement will not be able to prevent mass attacks on innocents in these time....the innocents must be able to protect themselves.

Baltimore Mayor Jack Young wants residents to stop shooting each other because they need the hospital beds for Wuhan Flu patients .

“we cannot clog up our hospitals and their beds with people that are being shot senselessly because we’re going to need those beds for people infected with the coronavirus. And it could be your mother, your grandmother or one of your relatives. So take that into consideration.”

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/18/we-need-those-beds-baltimore-mayor-urges-people-to-put-down-guns-after-violence-continues-during-covid-19-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR2bcphEoP-D46e9V1dRKXujIFMXiarQeQ1aWFHZma7QcafvSoAcOXXu_Fw


so it is alright at other times for the residents to shoot each other and fill hospital beds but not now. How many residents are shot a day to fill those hospital beds. Perhaps there is a toilet paper crisis there fueling violence or is it a gun crisis. Just maybe there are places in the world where guns should be confiscated

Just the normal stuff of the criminal ilk awakening after the winter slumber Clete.

do they slumber over there tal, hibernate for the winter perhaps coming out after groundhog day?

Not really, but warm weather tends to drive people outside especially at night. LOL, it only takes one incident though to get attention and scare the heck out of people. Just a reminder that though the news is about other stuff, the same stuff is still there. Local gangs no matter the race, which is more or less a product of who is where, have existed in cities since forever. It's no different here than in any other parts of the world bereft of economic opportunities.

Guns and the people with them with bad intentions haven't gone anywhere just off the frontpage. Current events have just added to the problems that were there already. Eventually they will have to be tested too!

so you could hope CV will take out a few criminals

so you could hope CV will take out a few criminals

No doubt it will but so what? There are no shortages of criminals or criminal activity streams to replace sick criminals unlike sick nurses/doctors who are extremely hard to replace.

“We will not stand for mass shootings and an increase in crime.”I thought that was an interesting quote. It would seem that they have been completely OK to "stand for mass shootings" and crime increases, but now they are not. It would have been nice to have not stood for such things for the simple reason that they are illegal and mayors are supposed to fight crime. Well, at least he is starting to sound less and less like a liberal dem.

Well he had to say something about the event amid all the other crap he is dealing with. Why are you politicizing it? Like he didn't care about the illegal activity before.

He had to say something? Is that what this is about, a person having to say something? Maybe it should be about a mayor undertaking his responsibilities and doing what is in the best interests of the people of Baltimore, and doing that all of the time and not just for a few months.

Don't get your draws in a bunch dude over one instance, and one statement. It's been going on for decades. They always issue a statement, until the next instance. You just happen to jump on a piece of it since the entire theme was about the coronavirus.

Oh. Well that makes it alright. I'm sure that if Trump had said it, your point of view would be quite different.

I never said the mayor was WRONG for what he said.

I didn't say he was wrong. I do think it would be a lot better if he had said that on the first day of his mayorship.

What makes you think he didn't? Do you know something I don't? Care to share?

I think if he had been saying it from day one, then there would be no need to make a big deal of saying it now. I don't think even you believe he has said it all along. And if he had been saying it and truly doing it, then the crime rate in Baltimore would not be sky high.

I don't assume what he says on a regular basis I don't know, and have only a small snapshot of one event. That's as far as I go with that. As for a crime rate, many things play into that circumstance in urban settings from long term systemic conditions. Poverty being the biggest driver, for most of those conditions. Most urban settings are a mixed bag any way between riches and rags and various degrees in between but we know what makes headlines don't we?

The issue of single parent families is a much bigger driver of crime than poverty. In fact, single parent homes even drives poverty. It is a huge negative. If I could change any one factor, it would be the issue of single parent homes. Change that, and the improvement in many areas would be dramatic.

The issue of single parent families is a much bigger driver of crime than poverty. In fact, single parent homes even drives poverty. It is a huge negative. If I could change any one factor, it would be the issue of single parent homes. Change that, and the improvement in many areas would be dramatic.

Can't say your wrong at all but I see the issue as there are single parent families and what should be done about it, and all the issues that come with it and that's where the failure becomes stark and real. That's not even considering the role divorces play into that equation.

Maybe we could join together in a call to preserve sex for marriage. Single parent families would begin to diminish by the year.

Maybe we could join together in a call to preserve sex for marriage. Single parent families would begin to diminish by the year.
You're joking, right?! What's more important, even urgent to young people? -- a couple's sexual attraction for one another or JL's purity mandate? "A call to preserve sex for marriage" won't work.

You're joking, right?! What's more important, even urgent to young people? -- a couple's sexual attraction for one another or JL's purity mandate? "A call to preserve sex for marriage" won't work.Not joking at all. It worked quite well until the fifties, and then the sexual revolution began to take hold. As to "what's more important" for young people, would you include getting drunk and using drugs in that category? Should we stop discouraging those activities?

Always disappointed when you mock any call for responsible living. It's a shame that it's only my call for purity, one which you have adamantly refused to join.

Not joking at all. It worked quite well until the fifties, and then the sexual revolution began to take hold. As to "what's more important" for young people, would you include getting drunk and using drugs in that category? Should we stop discouraging those activities?
Why didn't "it work" after the '50s? (Oh, yeah. You males didn't know -- or care -- about the auntie-induced abortions back then during and before the '50s or that Sally's six-month-long visit to her relatives in Oregon was how the family hid Sally during her pregnancy and put the newborn up for adoption.)

Always disappointed when you mock any call for responsible living. It's a shame that it's only my call for purity, one which you have adamantly refused to join.
Always disappointed when you have no realistic suggestions for responsible living.

Why didn't "it work" after the '50s? (Oh, yeah. You males didn't know -- or care -- about the auntie-induced abortions back then during and before the '50s or that Sally's six-month-long visit to her relatives in Oregon was how the family hid Sally during her pregnancy and put the newborn up for adoption.)You're not aware either, but you might want to know that sexaul activity amongst teens has actually decreased significantly over the past ten or fifteen years, so that would certainly seem to knock your theory in the head that teens are helpless to control themselves. Black girls in particular have shown a significant decrease. https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/sexual-activity-among-teens

Most women who married in the fifties were virgins at that point. That is certainly not the case now, but I'm happy to report that the trend over the past twenty years has been moving back to that decision. It is a small movement, but the data does bear it out. I don't know if that disappoints you or not.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/bin/12_FinerTable.jpg


I'm so glad your voice was not heard when the campaign against smoking began decades ago. While it has been hard and not completely successful, it has also saved many tens of thousands of lives. Would you have suggested it was all in vain back then? And if that could be done, then why not this? What do you have against purity that you cannot speak a single kind word about it?

You're not aware either, but you might want to know that sexaul activity amongst teens has actually decreased significantly over the past ten or fifteen years, so that would certainly seem to knock your theory in the head that teens are helpless to control themselves.
What happened to your accusation about chastity "until the fifties, and then the sexual revolution began to take hold"?

Most women who married in the fifties were virgins at that point.
You think.... Oh, yeah. You're a guy and weren't ever part of the gossip mill. Um, there wasn't much to do back then, just a movie at a theater or drive-in, ice cream sundaes at the local Dairy Queen, and then what? Hmm....

I'm so glad your voice was not heard when the campaign against smoking began decades ago. While it has been hard and not completely successful, it has also saved many tens of thousands of lives. Would you have suggested it was all in vain back then? And if that could be done, then why not this? What do you have against purity that you cannot speak a single kind word about it?
Smoking??? That's not the topic on the table!

Again I say:
Always disappointed when you have no realistic suggestions for responsible living.

The No word comes to mind it is useful in many situations but little used

What happened to your accusation about chastity "until the fifties, and then the sexual revolution began to take hold"?The fifties were not ten or fifteen years ago.


You think.... Oh, yeah. You're a guy and weren't ever part of the gossip mill. Um, there wasn't much to do back then, just a movie at a theater or drive-in, ice cream sundaes at the local Dairy Queen, and then what? Hmm...Sorry, but your anecdotal memories add nothing.


Smoking??? That's not the topic on the table!No, but your utter refusal to believe that public pressure can bring about change is.


Again I say:
Always disappointed when you have no realistic suggestions for responsible living.Of course I do. It's the same answer for smoking, drinking, or drug usage. It's for people to simply say "no" and do the responsible thing. It is always so very disappointing to see your absolute refusal to take a stand for purity.

Maybe we could join together in a call to preserve sex for marriage. Single parent families would begin to diminish by the year.

My approach is education and prevention, what's yours?


Not joking at all. It worked quite well until the fifties, and then the sexual revolution began to take hold. As to "what's more important" for young people, would you include getting drunk and using drugs in that category? Should we stop discouraging those activities?

Always disappointed when you mock any call for responsible living. It's a shame that it's only my call for purity, one which you have adamantly refused to join.

We have laws against underaged drinking and using drugs, and the jails are full of those folks that get caught, and still the ones that don't are still doing it. You can call for purity all you want, but it's not mockery to point out that the call goes unheeded by enough to perpetuate the problem.

On the practical side given any change for the better comes after years and decades with no quick fixes, so we are left with how to deal with impure humans.

so this thred went from an absurd comment by the mayor to teen sex.



@ Tom, criminals rarely take time off and maybe we should expect an uptick in crime when the economy goes south
I expect so except that now we live in virtual martial law . Everyone had a hissy fit over stop and frisk . Wait until you see what's coming .

Big difference Tomder between law and order, or someones version of it, and health quarantines. I think even crazy NY'ers can understand that, and get with it. Of course some will balk and holler freedom!

you think it is us conservatives that will be the problem ? Lol il Duce Cuomo was going nuts Saturday because it was the libs of NYC that did not get the concept of social distancing . He noted parents letting kids play together in the play grounds ;pick up baskeball games all over the city and people crowding together in public parks .

It's neither conservatives nor liberals Tom, some people just don't get it yet. You think those beaches in Florida are just liberals? Cuomo also said he doesn't have the money to supply hospitals with what they need, or compete with other states to get those resources. I doubt he is in the boat by himself.

LOL, when they shut down Dallas, the folks just went down the highway to party. Our governor just made it a statewide thing.

You think those beaches in Florida are just liberals mostly ...they were kids on spring break .


Cuomo also said he doesn't have the money to supply hospitals with what they need, or compete with other states to get those resources. I doubt he is in the boat by himself.


The blue states have had irresponsible spending and priorities for years . It is states ;not the Federal Government that decides levels of staffing and supplies for their hospitals . No one told NY STATE to keep a low reserve of respirators and N95 masks . I can tell you where the Federal government fell short .



In 2005, the administration of President George W. Bush published a landmark “National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza.” The document, among other things, highlighted the need for plans to distribute necessary medical supplies from the nation’s Strategic National Stockpile and to support state and local efforts to “surge” medical personnel and facilities to handle an outbreak.
Medical equipment such as masks and protective clothing in particular were given high priority as planners recognized that doctors, nurses and other medical staff were most vulnerable.

After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile, which is maintained by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
That didn’t happen, according to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Assn.
The stockpile drew down about 100 million masks during the 2009 epidemic, Johnson said.
“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.Last month, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said that available supplies included just 12 million N95 masks and 30 million surgical masks, a tiny fraction of the 3.5 billion masks one of Azar’s deputies later testified the nation’s healthcare system would need.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-20/disaster-foretold-shortages-ventilators-medical-supplies-warned-about (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-20/disaster-foretold-shortages-ventilators-medical-supplies-warned-about?fbclid=IwAR2SsCMbORBaimmnu5N7VlCkjHZYrWnm77s 8a0yYBz9va_epPkm6aikJ1ek)

also buried deep in this Bloomberg report


The national stockpile used to be somewhat more robust. In 2006, Congress provided supplemental funds to add 104 million N95 masks and 52 million surgical masks in an effort to prepare for a flu pandemic. But after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn't build back the supply


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/hospital-makes-face-masks-covid-19-shields-from-office-supplies?fbclid=IwAR2jGeBxgSbZ5_YkRjjA2QJHNq6jSf9M T-CO4331z6i4k7t6_Y-KTpMVvVI

LOL, conservative kids don't go on spring breaks so they must all be liberals? OOOOKAY! Another LOL, is states tell hospitals what to do about staffing and resources for a worst case scenario? Red states are as strapped as blue states so I wonder why that is. Everybody dropped the ball with other priorities on every level and that's why everybody is scrambling to catch up NOW.

I mean that as everybody in the world, not just us. This isn't the first time we have been caught with our pants down you know.

You guys are up waaayyyyyy too early.

No need to get up early they just shut down Australia but in true fashion they left the liquor stores open

in true fashion they left the liquor stores openGotta have those essentials.

6AM is my first break . I get in at 4

when you say you get in, you start work at 4 or you get home at 4

And now back to guns in the news over virus concerns.

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-stores-close-due-coronavirus-000000839.html

this whole crisis is a libs wet dream. The sporting goods store by me still has long lines even though all gun related merchandise ;guns ,ammo has been sold out for a couple weeks . I asked them what they were selling and was told any bow ,camping ,survival gear was moving as fast as they can stock it .

Tom I think we missed the boat and should have bought out all the Tactical Toilet Paper we could before all this started :)

:) I have a large stockpile of leaves in my compost area as a back up . I just have to make sure they are tick free.

:) I have a large stockpile of leaves in my compost area as a back up . I just have to make sure they are tick free.

Got no sweat socks Tom? Much easier to use and no ticks or other critters.

no problem tal I have alarge collection of missmatched socks they have been breeding

I have a friend who is a gun collector and also sells LP classics at the flea market . Well the flea market is closed down because of social distancing crapola .....(the people who are furloughed have nothing better to do than store hop from big box store to big box store looking for TP. I assure you there is more human congestion there then at the flea market where every vendor has their own booth ) . But his regulars call him up . They aren't looking for old LPs they know he is a gun collector and all they want is guns and ammo. Our governments are getting close to destroying civil society in their efforts to keep us safe .

Yeah normal life has indeed been disrupted for everybody, and nobody knows for how long, so I get the anxiety and fear, and even the anger. I feel it too, and have my doubts about the course we're on and admit at times to be overwhelmed, but for now I think it best to listen to the scientists and follow directions. Not easy for us hard head free will types, but we must be patient and let them do there jobs. The alternative is chaos as everybody does their thing and possibly make it a lot worse than what it is and will get.

Don't panic now.

because scientist always get it right . what I really distrust is 'consensus' science.

As opposed to politicians? Or worse rich guys who own the politicians.

because scientist always get it right . what I really distrust is 'consensus' science.

Yes it has brought us so much, climate change, now economic shutdown and coronavirus pandemic

Scientist brought none of those things Clete. Blame your politicians for not listening, and letting the problem grow to catastrophic proportions and catch us with our pants down.

and letting the problem grow to catastrophic proportions and catch us with our pants down.As regards this virus???

As regards this virus???

We got caught with our pants down, didn't we? Get ready for that surge on hospitals that's coming.

“What we did was we closed everything down. That was our public health strategy. Just close everything, all businesses, old workers, young people, old people, short people, tall people,” said Cuomo. “Every school closed, everything.”
“If you rethought that or had time to analyze that public health strategy, I don't know that you would say quarantine everyone,” Cuomo admitted. “I don't even know that that was the best public health policy. Young people then quarantined with older people was probably not the best public health strategy because the younger people could have been exposing the older people to an infection. “(Andrew Cuomo )

We got caught with our pants down, didn't we?Yeah. I guess you'd really have to question why we had not stockpiled med supplies in anticipation of a heretofore unknown virus coming to practically the entire world from the Wuhan province in China. I mean, didn't everyone see this coming ten years ago? I'm sure that Mr. Obama saw it coming and had made preparations. I'm sure that HC was going about the country raising the alarm about this kind of situation during the 2016 election. And of course Nancy Pelosi had been, no doubt, talking about this for years and years.

I hope that is absolutely dripping with sarcasm. You might not have noticed, but the ENTIRE WORLD was caught unawares.

hospital grade ventilators cost $25 -$50,000 a piece . NO ONE was going to stock pile them for the possibility of a global pandemic. I also guarantee that the ones that are sent to NYC will NEVER be returned to the Feds or even sent to other states after the crisis ebbs here. Same thing with hopitals or beds or any other significant hospital supply . NY and other states use certificate of need to keeps supplies and indeed the number of doctors in the state restricted . Just this year NY had a CON that placed a moratorium on licensing Home Care Service agencies . Why ? Because scarcity keeps prices up.


https://www.health.ny.gov/facilities/cons/

https://medium.com/concentrated-benefits/how-state-certificate-of-need-con-laws-impact-access-to-health-care-b8d3ec84242f

lean and mean knowing in a crisis they can whine that the Feds aren't supporting them

lean and mean knowing in a crisis they can whine that the Feds aren't supporting themExactly correct.

Too much for states to expect guidance and support from the feds, who are slow to give either but for now I hold my criticism for those efforts, because this is the biggest thing I've ever seen since the Walking Dead! Or WWZ! Just the emotional fallout is daunting let alone the financial and health components.

Consider just the canceled funerals and bereavement of the 1600 deaths already. That has to be devastating.

Too much for states to expect guidance and support from the feds, who are slow to give either but for now I hold my criticism for those efforts, because this is the biggest thing I've ever seen since the Walking Dead!Are you talking about the feds who are approaching 25 tril in debt? Those feds? I think we need to adopt a different model.

so what will the Kennedy Center do with the $25 Million government giveaway ?
https://freebeacon.com/issues/kennedy-center-tells-musicians-will-stop-paying-them-hours-after-25-million-bailout-signed/

We probably could make some changes in many things after this has been dealt with.



so what will the Kennedy Center do with the $25 Million government giveaway ?
https://freebeacon.com/issues/kennedy-center-tells-musicians-will-stop-paying-them-hours-after-25-million-bailout-signed/


An example of high priced bosses stiffing the working guy?

CEO of Kennedy Center makes 4 x POTUS salary . This $25 million is on top of regular government support and massive private donations . Renovations were funded by private donations to the tune of $250 million . Every year private donations to the center exceed $100 million .So they don't need taxpayer assistance

So they don't need taxpayer assistanceThat's likely true of most of this money that's going to go out. It's what happens when pols figure out that they can hand out money without the need for increasing taxes.

Good news. A better test is coming out that can be done in five minutes. Free market system delivers yet again.

https://twitter.com/abbottnews/status/1243680163054915584?s=21

"We’re launching a test that can detect COVID-19 in as little as 5 minutes—bringing rapid testing to the frontlines."

I was just about to post that ... FDA doing what is necessary issuing an emergency use authorization

in other news regarding private enterprise stepping up to the plate
.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/489995-zuckerberg-gates-team-up-to-contribute-25m-for-research-into-coronavirus

Good news. A better test is coming out that can be done in five minutes. Free market system delivers yet again.

https://twitter.com/abbottnews/status/1243680163054915584?s=21

"We’re launching a test that can detect COVID-19 in as little as 5 minutes—bringing rapid testing to the frontlines."

That is good news!


I was just about to post that ... FDA doing what is necessary issuing an emergency use authorization

in other news regarding private enterprise stepping up to the plate
.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/489995-zuckerberg-gates-team-up-to-contribute-25m-for-research-into-coronavirus

The more the merrier!

Of course the dufus has to throw crap in the game!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/28/21197995/coronavirus-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont- (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/28/21197995/coronavirus-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont-comply)

Somebody please just make him shut up, or better yet quarantine his big mouth!

https://i.imgflip.com/3shzgs.jpg

Maybe in a decade we forget the dufus and his words and antics.

The act of a great comedian is renown for centuries