For the record ;I opposed the bailouts and stimulus of 2008-9 and I opposed new bailouts and stimulus attempts now . Now we are talking bailouts because the Saudi's and the Russians can't play nice in the sand box and because there is an outbreak of the sniffles. I could not claim to be a true conservative and argue that there should be a big government solution to every problem. And that includes and irrational pandemic of fear . Want something to fear ? Fear a government that grabs your money and gives it to someone else on the pretext of a perceived "crisis" .



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yes it is all media hype

Wall Street seems to take the flu and oil wars seriously. I thought most capitalists did too. I guess we let the markets dictate the response eh Tom? You know how this goes, as we get deeper into this thing the states will do what they do, and if the fed doesn't help out, all you conservatives will get left in the dust of negative economic tidal wave that follows a massive shutdown. NY might weather the storm, but can Kansas, or Mississippi? We haven't even felt the full extent of the Chinese shutdown yet, but we will, and you know it.

Maybe it is media hype, but the next month or so will bring even the most conservatives to reality I think. The trickle down will be tested, and so will conservatives who say do nothing. Who you gonna call when your economy gets shutdown for a month or TWO? What are you gonna do when your job says stay home we got no customers?

I'm sure though you think once this media hoax is exposed things go back to the way it was without doing anything but business as usual right? I think you get outvoted on that stimulus package Tom. Nobody will forget who did what if this isn't a hoax either.

the government cant control irrational fear . Besides fireside chats the government ususally does more harm than good . Show me the Bear Stern in this case ? What should've been a small recession lasted time lasted almost a decade as
we counted on the government to fix the economy with stupid pump priming .The emperor for 2 terms called it the new normal.

Are we talking the government or the stock market? Where'd those trillions of dollars go when they lost all those points this week?

Talaniman: Its what I said ALL ALONG: Every so many years, Wall Street has a fit and a "BLACK PERIOD" and these are "design behaviors" and the end game of these eruption is to RAID THE RETIREMENT FUNDS AND THE 401Ks! Its damned obvious for anyone who is looking. THERE ARE NO FURNACES BURNING MONEY THIS WEEK! SOMEONE IS MAKING TONS AND TONS OF MONEY!

As far as the Russian-Saudi Oil Riff: The media is trying to make the Russians out to be the bad guys: NOT TRUE! The filthy Saudis are the bad guys in this: Obama used the Saudis by asking them to up production in order to hurt the Russian economy: The Russians have good reason not to trust the Wahabi Saudis!

Talaniman: Its what I said ALL ALONG: Every so many years, Wall Street has a fit and a "BLACK PERIOD" and these are "design behaviors" and the end game of these eruption is to RAID THE RETIREMENT FUNDS AND THE 401Ks! Its damned obvious for anyone who is looking. THERE ARE NO FURNACES BURNING MONEY THIS WEEK! SOMEONE IS MAKING TONS AND TONS OF MONEY!

You accusing rich guys of stealing from everybody they can? Or is it protecting their wealth that they already stole from everybody else?


As far as the Russian-Saudi Oil Riff: The media is trying to make the Russians out to be the bad guys: NOT TRUE! The filthy Saudis are the bad guys in this: Obama used the Saudis by asking them to up production in order to hurt the Russian economy: The Russians have good reason not to trust the Wahabi Saudis!

The Saudis are just as ruthless as the Russians and nobody should trust either of them! Do so at your own peril.

Dictator and tyrant societies have distinct advantage over elected societies, they can manipulate the money and not lose a dime off the backs of their populations. OOPS we have the same thing going here rich guys can make MO'MONEY off the backs of the working population too.

Can't trust them either I guess!

As far as Wall Street goes ;they panic when someone sneezes . I never thought that main stream America would be so weak . Tips for people wanting to invest . It is a good time to buy when there is a run on toilet paper . This consolidation of stocks at lower numbers is a great buy opportunity . There is no way the economy dropped that fast in a couple days . The underlying strength of the economy is sound . And when this irrational fear passes there will be a V shaped rebound ....... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like porkulus 2020 .

Let the Saudis and the Russians duke it out over the scraps of the energy market . USA rules and is the future of the energy supply ..... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like the Green New Deal .

tomder55: FINALLY SOME RATIONAL THOUGHT! You have verbalized/articulated what I was thinking but couldn't wordsmith! Its all fear mongering....the CHAOS SOWEERS, like Soros and his ilk are looking for the openings to try and muck-up the economy and get Trump out of Office: George Soros really needs to become a CIA target (if we can ever get the CIA to, once again, become an organization that supports U.S. interests).

As far as Wall Street goes ;they panic when someone sneezes . I never thought that main stream America would be so weak . Tips for people wanting to invest . It is a good time to buy when there is a run on toilet paper . This consolidation of stocks at lower numbers is a great buy opportunity . There is no way the economy dropped that fast in a couple days . The underlying strength of the economy is sound . And when this irrational fear passes there will be a V shaped rebound ....... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like porkulus 2020 .

The hell with the people caught in the middle who don't invest right! Spoken like a true capitalist.


Let the Saudis and the Russians duke it out over the scraps of the energy market . USA rules and is the future of the energy supply ..... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like the Green New Deal .

The US rules but the Saudis can control the price of a barrel of oil which makes us just another producer dependent on THEM! Economics 101, how long can you last selling your oil $20-$30 bucks below the break even price? Exxon will last longer than the smaller operations. NOW WHAT?


tomder55: FINALLY SOME RATIONAL THOUGHT! You have verbalized/articulated what I was thinking but couldn't wordsmith! Its all fear mongering....the CHAOS SOWEERS, like Soros and his ilk are looking for the openings to try and muck-up the economy and get Trump out of Office: George Soros really needs to become a CIA target (if we can ever get the CIA to, once again, become an organization that supports U.S. interests).

Rich guys run it, now shut up and do as you're told since slaves have no say in the matter! You're not a slave to the Big Money Gods?

The hell with the people caught in the middle who don't invest right! Spoken like a true capitalist. more people are impacted by the market than you realize . As far as I can see the biggest impact to the rest of the country is the irrational panic buying I saw at the grocery store today. Pathetic!

more people are impacted by the market than you realize . As far as I can see the biggest impact to the rest of the country is the irrational panic buying I saw at the grocery store today. Pathetic!
And why the irrational panic? Because our dear leader hasn't been and still isn't addressing the source of the panic and calming our fears.

because progressive education over the years has turned the people from rugged individuals to spineless sheeple . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo

because progressive education over the years has turned the people from rugged individuals to spineless sheeple . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
Education should be what?

(What's "progressive education"?)

Markets rebounded as the dufus declares an emergency and gets CEO's to say god stuff! better late than never I guess.

" Education should be what ? "I know what it should be .
What's "progressive education"? What it is in this country is indoctrination .

A few weeks ago the left was running around terrified that Trump started WWIII by killing General Salami . Before that there was the scolding teen girl that had you all convinced that the world had 12 years left . The left has become a dooms day cult .

That's why the stores are out of water ;toilet paper and chicken legs . I am embarrassed for this country .You think one person's leadership would make any difference ? I see the same reaction when there is the threat of a snow flurry .

Education should be what?

(What's "progressive education"?)

Progressive education is anything past the 3rd grade.

The purpose of "progressive education" is
indoctrination so the student believes that the purpose of human life is to deny and reject the supernatural and to sacrifice oneself to the collective, or in the progressive vernacular “humanity.”

The purpose of "progressive education" is
indoctrination so the student believes that the purpose of human life is to deny and reject the supernatural and to sacrifice oneself to the collective, or in the progressive vernacular “humanity.”


That's the conservative spin. Since 3rd grade conservative believe in the one with the most money is GOD. To be god like you need MO'MONEY! Screw humanity.

it can be traced to a couple of hallucingen using psychology professors . They got together to form the U of Chicago Laboratory school 1894 .
The purpose of the school was to see what kind of curriculum was needed to produce socialists instead of capitalists, collectivists instead of individualists. The school indoctrinated students from nursery school through 12th
John Dewey was one of the instructors .
According to Dewey, “ education is growth under favorable conditions; the school is the place where those conditions should be regulated scientifically.In other words, if we apply psychology to education, then the ideal classroom is a psych lab and the pupils are laboratory animals. There is much more to it . But you get the idea

And why the irrational panic? Because our dear leader hasn't been and still isn't addressing the source of the panic and calming our fears.
Dear leader ...a phrase associated with Kim Jong il …. nice . I guess you concur with Madam Mim that the reelection of Trump poses an existential threat . Talk about hysterics .

Leadership being like CDC establishing a coronavirus incident management system, on January 7 ;two days before China announced the outbreak ? At that time Madam Mim was in her 3rd week of delaying sending the House Impeachment articles to the Senate .


Leadership like Jan 21 ,The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to confront coronavirus. On that day the Dems were

writing their opening arguments for their bogus impeachment trial.

Let's talk about the increasingly popular travel bans .As you know ,the President has proposed ,tried and the Dems have found various means ,especially using the judiciary to block travel band from countries that pose a risk to the US. The President intiated a ban on travel from China in January . He announced one from Europe during his Oval office address. What were the Dems doing ? Well they hastily tabled a motion going through the process in the House called 'The No Ban Act' HR2214 trying to strip the President of his constitutional power to control access to the US . and to stop people from coming to this country that pose a threat .

Meanwhile the Chinese have not been transparent . We have no guarantee that the virus has arched and that business is beginning the return to normal .But that is not unusual . The Chinese are never transparent . When one talks of existential threats Madam Mim should include Chinese theft of our technology ;or even the simple fact that this nation is too dependent on the Chinese supply chain.

And who has been asking America to rethink that ? Yes Trump has warned us for years prior to his Presidency about having all our eggs in one basket . Everything he has warned us about ...border security ;outsourcing is becoming an undeniable fact .His platform is the right platform. I call that leadership .

it can be traced to a couple of hallucingen using psychology professors . They got together to form the U of Chicago Laboratory school 1894 .
The purpose of the school was to see what kind of curriculum was needed to produce socialists instead of capitalists, collectivists instead of individualists. The school indoctrinated students from nursery school through 12th
John Dewey was one of the instructors .
According to Dewey, “ education is growth under favorable conditions; the school is the place where those conditions should be regulated scientifically.In other words, if we apply psychology to education, then the ideal classroom is a psych lab and the pupils are laboratory animals. There is much more to it . But you get the idea






I don't think my peeps went to that school Tom, nor do I know much about this so called progressive indoctrination education you conservatives love to tout as being so bad. I suspect that conservatives feel their value system is being pushed aside and them having no way of stopping it is behind such rhetoric and they could be right, or is it the remnants of the good old fashion class system that put them and their money at the top of the food chain and lends itself to justify the great disdain for the those that don't measure up? If your god is money, then you need money to be god like, so understandable to put profit over people to serve that god. I get that considering the changes we have been through and the challenges we face now, that just don't have a completely conservative, capitalistic solution.

We have been exposed for the inadequacies of our system and society, and really do need to address them. Not the lest of which is the abject fear that pervades the land and has always been there. Every time something happens it raises it's ugly head and keeps us stuck in memories of better times and everybody has a different better time that gives them comfort I suppose.

Meanwhile the Chinese have not been transparent . We have no guarantee that the virus has arched and that business is beginning the return to normal .But that is not unusual . The Chinese are never transparent . When one talks of existential threats Madam Mim should include Chinese theft of our technology ;or even the simple fact that this nation is too dependent on the Chinese supply chain.

And who has been asking America to rethink that ? Yes Trump has warned us for years prior to his Presidency about having all our eggs in one basket . Everything he has warned us about ...border security ;outsourcing is becoming an undeniable fact .His platform is the right platform. I call that leadership .

King Reagan said TRUST BUT VERIFY, and that's still the best advice because quiet as it's kept the lack of trust and fear cuts both ways with China, and understandable since they have been used by the west before, and have no intention of doing it again, which is why the do what they do against all the rules that WE make up and IMPOSE on them to be fair. Let's separate government interest from BUSINESS interests though, because unlike the Chinese, business and government is the same, we have no such interconnection so we should not mix the business interest with the governments interest. Those are or should be two separate negotiations.

Hate to break it to you, but all those things the dufus uses as his weapons of fear have been happening for decades and solving them will take more than a big loud stick at the throats of his opponents.

The role of the federal government is to provide for the common defense, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, to promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Beyond those, each person is supposed to take care of him/her self. It won't work any other way.

We obviously have different views of the general welfare, which I read as take care of the least and the needy. It doesn't work for me that the definition of general welfare doesn't mean EVERYBODY, nor entitles anyone to make discriminatory laws, practice, or policies that don't guarantee equal protection under the law for EVERYBODY.

It doesn't work for me that the definition of general welfare doesn't mean EVERYBODY, nor entitles anyone to make discriminatory laws, practice, or policies that don't guarantee equal protection under the law for EVERYBODY.I actually agree with you completely. The difference is in the word "general". The general welfare is that which benefits everyone such as a healthy economy or a highway system. It is taking money from one person to give to another which, in my view, violates this principle. If you are really concerned about the "least and needy" (I'm not convinced you are), then you need to do what many people do and go out and help the least and the needy. Spend your own money and your own time and stop trying to play Robinhood.

I will admit freely that if I had sufficent time and funds I would get as many people all kinds of help and support, but I worry that many can suffer because of my shortcomings and that's unacceptable so I vote for those that like me see that need being filled by a more reliable source.

Don't you also worry about the ones you cannot reach that need you?

I will admit freely that if I had sufficent time and funds I would get as many people all kinds of help and support, but I worry that many can suffer because of my shortcomings and that's unacceptable so I vote for those that like me see that need being filled by a more reliable source.You have some funds and you have some time. Get out and help people. You can't help them all, but you can help some. If every liberal dem who wants the government to help people would go out and help others, then the government would not be needed.



Don't you also worry about the ones you cannot reach that need you?Yes. That's why I keep encouraging you to put your time and money where your vote is.

You have some funds and you have some time. Get out and help people. You can't help them all, but you can help some. If every liberal dem who wants the government to help people would go out and help others, then the government would not be needed. Yes. That's why I keep encouraging you to put your time and money where your vote is.

Glad to see you have a plan that works for you. I'll just keep doing what works for me though, thanks.

so I vote for those that like me see that need being filled by a more reliable source. from someone else's pocket . How noble !

from someone else's pocket . How noble !Exactly.

Whose pocket? Conservatives are very quick to say the poor takes money from their pockets. Why do conservatives hate the least, the needy, and the poor so much?

What I don't get is this world wide urge to stimulate economies, now where there is a lock down it might make some sense but stimulating before the impact is really felt, I don't get that. Mass hysteria and this may only last three months, that is all it has lasted in China

Simulus seems to be needed to get through the crisis which has already reeked havoc. By the numbers they seem to be incremental as they go rather than one huge package. The burden of states has already gotten alarming so assistance from government is needed immediately. We don't know if China nor Italy for that matter is ready to be callled healed as yet, but no doubt they have done the same infusions of capital along the way themselves. The way it's going China if indeed they are nearing the all clear stage may well have to wait on the rest of the world to catch up, if you take there word for it being over.

That's a big if in my book.

No they need to get thier economy back on track, we don't know the level of damage yet but we will all feel it incoming months as stocks dwindle

Need to stop reacting and keep going to work and carry on with normal activities: We don't need to allow a "virus" to put us into a recession or a depression: That is pure stupidity!

Vac, I couldn't agree more.

Need to stop reacting and keep going to work and carry on with normal activities: We don't need to allow a "virus" to put us into a recession or a depression: That is pure stupidity!

in a sense you are right, there is much stupidity in play, but then we haven't had anything like this in, say, a decade and so the present governments have no experience in dealing with these events. Gone are the days when we would stay the course and wait until tomorrow to make decisions, and the media is to blame, a 24 hour news cycle means politicians are under pressure to have immediate answers. Instead of shutting down the economy the media should have an isolation of 14 days

. Instead of shutting down the economy the media should have an isolation of 14 daysGreat idea!!

Great idea!!

yes it is I think I will turn off the news for 14 days

yes it is I think I will turn off the news for 14 days

Now that's a better idea to avoid being bombarded endlessly by the 24/7 news cycle. I do the same thing with dufus news cycle, and I feel much better, but I'm HOOKED on Netflix and popcorn now. They both get delivered with a click. Even toilet paper!

I have to ask ;who in their right mind would continue operating their business in China knowing how cavalierly they treat not only Chinese lives ,but the lives of the rest of the people on the planet .

If you move your business back to the U.S. then labor costs spike and you can't compete price wise.

Now that's a better idea to avoid being bombarded endlessly by the 24/7 news cycle. I do the same thing with dufus news cycle, and I feel much better, but I'm HOOKED on Netflix and popcorn now. They both get delivered with a click. Even toilet paper!
https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-poop-pooping-peter-griffin-tp-gif-5387874

If you move your business back to the U.S. then labor costs spike and you can't compete price wise.

Whose fault is that that a few bucks is big money in the 3rd world and why are we competing with the 3rd world standard when obviously it lowers our own?

Whose fault is that that a few bucks is big money in the 3rd world and why are we competing with the 3rd world standard when obviously it lowers our own?


Because, like I said, if you move your business back to the U.S. then labor costs spike and you can't compete price wise. So you go out of business because you have to sell your products at a loss.

Because, like I said, if you move your business back to the U.S. then labor costs spike and you can't compete price wise. So you go out of business because you have to sell your products at a loss.

so you make cheaper products, it is called productivity, no wage rises without greater output, the days of union dictatorship end

so you make cheaper products, it is called productivity, no wage rises without greater output, the days of union dictatorship endSometimes you can make that work but not all the time. The difference between 20 dollars an hour here versus 3 dollars an hour in China is enormous. You also have to factor in that Chinese workers are happy to get a job, will show up on time, and work efficiently. Too many American workers are liberal dems who count on the federal government to take money from other Americans (or just borrow it) to give to them.

Besides, the great majority of American jobs are non-union.

and minimum wage no doubt, so where are the $20 an hour jobs in an auto industry that is fading, in agriculture?

Sometimes you can make that work but not all the time. The difference between 20 dollars an hour here versus 3 dollars an hour in China is enormous. You also have to factor in that Chinese workers are happy to get a job, will show up on time, and work efficiently. Too many American workers are liberal dems who count on the federal government to take money from other Americans (or just borrow it) to give to them.

Besides, the great majority of American jobs are non-union.

Wonder what those conservative repubs are doing when they wake up with no job tomorrow? You mean those repubs won't file for unemployment and food stamps and subsidized heating bills?

and minimum wage no doubt, so where are the $20 an hour jobs in an auto industry that is fading, in agriculture?Average hourly pay in the United States is about 23 dollars per hour.


Wonder what those conservative repubs are doing when they wake up with no job tomorrow? You mean those repubs won't file for unemployment and food stamps and subsidized heating bills?I'm sure they will. What's your point?

Repubs aren't the only ones that deserve help from their local state and federal government and ideology and party and church affiliations are meaningless in a crisis event. That's my point! Easy to holler and espouse when things are smooth and normal, but this ain't that time.

At least 4 Senators (and probably more ) dumped stocks ahead of the market crash......Sens. Richard Burr, N.C.,Kelly Loeffler, Ga.,. Dianne Feinstein, Calif., and James Inhofe, Okla.,

tomder55: Those are 4 SMART SOBs! Maybe the smartest Senators we got!

that deserve helpThat's where we differ. I'm not convinced anyone "deserves" someone else's money.

Keeping on doing the same stuff with Red China will produce the same results.....If the U.S. is to survive as a nation, we had BETTER STOP DEALING WITH RED CHINA!

tomder55: Those are 4 SMART SOBs! Maybe the smartest Senators we got!

for them it's easy money . They write the laws ;and one of the laws on the books for years is their exemption to insider trader laws . Michael Milken ,went to jail for much less ..... so did Martha Stewart .

This is why they don't want to go after quid pro Joe . They'd all become vulnerable .

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/19/reports-burr-loeffler-sold-stocks-ahead-coronavirus-marketcrash/2882006001/?fbclid=IwAR3106dElJqSzIiunaAf_uU9DZl3SbRcUWBGQWNj RzbilkneZ3VDh4N_HOM


This is a 60 Minutes expose from 2011 . Obviously nothing changed .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DZh1109W8&fbclid=IwAR0WVtu7U5zIyBYYF-oG6EDmRb-etdRol1u7H-oFQoDOa9veESw6FVOgMYw

At least 4 Senators (and probably more ) dumped stocks ahead of the market crash......Sens. Richard Burr, N.C.,Kelly Loeffler, Ga.,. Dianne Feinstein, Calif., and James Inhofe, Okla.,

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist or an inside trader to see the market crashing, and everybody has a financial advisor who get paid the big bucks, but let's keep it real, if rich folks is bailing guess who gets left holding the bag. We have discussed those junk bonds before which may be the other leg of the stool to fall.

When the fed is lowering interests though, and infusing cash to regional banks, yeah I would say something bad was coming down the pike. How far things fall, and for how long becomes the question.

for them it's easy money . They write the laws ;and one of the laws on the books for years is their exemption to insider trader laws . Michael Milken ,went to jail for much less ..... so did Martha Stewart .

This is why they don't want to go after quid pro Joe . They'd all become vulnerable .

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/19/reports-burr-loeffler-sold-stocks-ahead-coronavirus-marketcrash/2882006001/?fbclid=IwAR3106dElJqSzIiunaAf_uU9DZl3SbRcUWBGQWNj RzbilkneZ3VDh4N_HOM


This is a 60 Minutes expose from 2011 . Obviously nothing changed .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DZh1109W8&fbclid=IwAR0WVtu7U5zIyBYYF-oG6EDmRb-etdRol1u7H-oFQoDOa9veESw6FVOgMYw

How long have I been hollering about legalized stealing? LOL, they call that soft corruption and is the way it's done by the rich.

How long have I been hollering about legalized stealing?You mean stealing as in taking money by force from one person and just giving it to another? Is that the stealing you're referring to?

I was and have been referring to legally bribing my federal elected officials to write and pass legislation and create loopholes for rich guys interest above my own. I understand you have your own ideas about legal stealing and being forced to do things you don't think is right.

However seems we have both been outvoted in that regard. Maybe next election. Might be a moot point given the promise to make more people being part of the least and needy big time with few options and stocks to sell than the rich guys to get them through this current life changing event.

I was and have been referring to legally bribing my federal elected officials to write and pass legislation and create loopholes for rich guys interest above my own.I would agree with you that to the extent it happens, it's wrong. The problem I see is that when the top 20% of income earners pay over 85% of income taxes, then it would just seem that they are doing a pretty lousy job of "bribing" federal reps to get their treasured loopholes. They are sure doing a lousy job of getting everyone to pay something in income taxes. The bottom 50% of income earners only pay about 3% and most of them pay nothing, so that's some kind of strange loophole arrangement they have. But it doesn't really matter now. The American people, dumb and getting dumber by the day, have bought into the idea that borrowing money is the same thing as raising revenues through taxes, and just "printing" money is even better than that. So we'll just ride that horse until it dies of exhaustion, and then we can try walking.

The whole world is shutdown, sick, and dying and you worry about the rich guys paying a few trillion to fund government while making even more trillions than everybody else. At least you acknowledge it's wrong to steal. Borrowing money is selling treasury bonds not printing money.

The whole world is shutdown, sick, and dying and you worry about the rich guys paying a few trillion to fund government while making even more trillions than everybody else.I'm not worried about that, but your constant misrepresentation of the truth does concern me.


At least you acknowledge it's wrong to steal. Borrowing money is selling treasury bonds not printing money.You are behind the times. The feds now routinely expand the money supply.

So expand it. What are you going to do given circumstance? Nobody has given a crap about the deficit in many decades and it's been weaponized as a talking point ever since.

I won't address what you think is a misrepresentation since 85% of tax revenues of about 4T bucks is 3.4T bucks

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-dependent-on-federal-government.html/

But consider the total net worth of America at 92T bucks in a 21T dollar a year economy.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/how-much-does/stock-market-boosts-total-net-worth-americans-96-trillion/

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Just figure out your own net worth and see where you fall on the food chain. Let see your numbers. I want to see what your crying about.

Look: This is just the beginning: The ChiComs have bigger plans around Biological Weapons.....Effectively, they have attacked us and we have to be ready this time....and we have to respond in a large way to stop the bastards.

The whole world is shutdown, sick, and dying and you worry about the rich guys paying a few trillion to fund government while making even more trillions than everybody else. At least you acknowledge it's wrong to steal. Borrowing money is selling treasury bonds not printing money.

for heaven's sake man get some perspective, 200,000 out of a population of more than 7 billion have contracted this disease which has already run its course in China with 80,000 of such cases. The whole world is not sick and dying, governments around the world have over reacted, prone to doom and gloom predictions of WHO and medical panic merchants. Yes the hospital systems are inadequate since they have to turn their money making operations over to healing but this will be short lived, three months and the worst will be over

for heaven's sake man get some perspective, 200,000 out of a population of more than 7 billion have contracted this disease which has already run its course in China with 80,000 of such cases. The whole world is not sick and dying, governments around the world have over reacted, prone to doom and gloom predictions of WHO and medical panic merchants. Yes the hospital systems are inadequate since they have to turn their money making operations over to healing but this will be short lived, three months and the worst will be over
Apparently, certain people can get it again, that is, a relapse is possible and immunity isn't guaranteed. The worst may not yet be over.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/19/coronavirus-after-2000-deaths-can-you-get-virus-again/4804905002/

for most it is mild no worse than the flu and yes those with preexisting conditions are at risk. The worst will still take some time to resolve but this panic is engineered. Governments have overreacted causing widespread panic

I won't address what you think is a misrepresentation since 85% of tax revenues of about 4T bucks is 3.4T bucksFirst of all, your calculation is not correct. It is 85% of fed income taxes, not of total taxes. Secondly, again I must ask, what is your point?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/s...vernment.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-dependent-on-federal-government.html/) Old news.


But consider the total net worth of America at 92T bucks in a 21T dollar a year economy.
So?


Just figure out your own net worth and see where you fall on the food chain. Let see your numbers. I want to see what your crying about.My net worth is absolutely, positively none of your business. I will say my wife and I are many miles short of a million. Unlike you, I am not eaten up with jealousy about people worth more than I am. I desire none of their money. When I consider where my mother and father were when they got married in 45, then I'm grateful to God for what we have. It's a tragedy to see stupid, selfish pols destroy what several generations built with hard work and self-discipline. You laugh off the national debt. You won't be laughing much longer.

I'm not laughing at the debt, I'm watching hospitals increase their bed capacity by making use of hotels and large spaces. So sick people will have a place to be treated.

one way to get 100% occupancy

one way to get 100% occupancy

There is also the accompanying staffing and allocation of resources, and supply lines that comes with that 100% occupancy.

Yes retrained airline employees

The dufus and his crew of sycophants including Pence don't have a clue of the tools he has at his disposal. We all have seen the generals being interviewed by network talking heads about the abilities of the DLA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Logistics_Agency)


'Through other U.S. federal agencies, DLA also helps provide relief supplies to victims of natural disasters, as well as humanitarian aid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_aid) to refugees and internally displaced persons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person).'

The dufus and his crew of sycophants including Pence don't have a clue of the tools he has at his disposal. We all have seen the generals being interviewed by network talking heads about the abilities of the DLA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Logistics_Agency)


'Through other U.S. federal agencies, DLA also helps provide relief supplies to victims of natural disasters, as well as humanitarian aid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_aid) to refugees and internally displaced persons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person).'

you had better hope they are stockpiling food at many locations as panic buying strips supermarket shelves and prices go through the roof, the poor are going to need it and not just the poor, the logistics will be overwhelmed, that is what we are seeing here and bus loads of outer towners ddescending on our supermarkets

I doubt anyone anywhere can stockpile anything, including food, when the demand spikes higher than the supply.

Yes tal the logistics fail when the idiots buy out the stores, they just started on hardware stores here can't imagine what that's about but there is going to be a whole lot of renovatin' goin' on

Let the gouging begin!

this is a vrus led recovery

Recovery isn't the word I would use since I don't think we have seen it's peak at all. Has any other country? I have serious doubts.

well China seems to had seen the peak or they are not providing updates?

Italy is showing small improvements too, but whho knows for sure. The dufus has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable. meanwhile 5 congress people have been isolated and one with the virus as they hammer out a bail out agreement which has failed twice in the senate.

Italy is showing small improvements too, but whho knows for sure. The dufus has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable. meanwhile 5 congress people have been isolated and one with the virus as they hammer out a bail out agreement which has failed twice in the senate.

don't understand your system, I thought the repelicans held your Senate. Our parliament met for a day, passed the necessary laws, and will not meet again until August, Sometimes bipartisanship is necessary for the national good

We have Nancy Pelosi. That's all the explanation needed.

We have Nancy Pelosi. That's all the explanation needed.

I didn't know Pelosi is a Senator, don't you have separation of the Houses?

I didn't know Pelosi is a Senator, don't you have separation of the Houses?
She's a State Representative, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The legislative body is the House and Senate. The executive body is the president. The judicial body is the Supreme Court.

Executive-Legislative-Judicial.

The president can't get a bill on his desk to sign into law until it's passed through both the House (435 people who represent 750,000 citizens in a district of the state), and the Senate (Two for every state). Repubs control the Senate, and Dems control the House after the 2018 election.

Who said Pelosi is a senator?

Who said Pelosi is a senator?

You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senate


She's a State Representative, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The legislative body is the House and Senate. The executive body is the president. The judicial body is the Supreme Court.

Executive-Legislative-Judicial.

Yes we have the same system but not a two party system of government, bipartisanship comes into play more often

You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senateYour lack of familiarity with our system comes back to bite you. The Senate and the House will both have to approve this bill, so it is an ongoing measure in both bodies. Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, has great input. Anyone who knows our system would know that mentioning Pelosi certainly does not in any way ID her as a senator.

The part that is, as usual, being completely ignored is the fact that these people are spending "virtual" money. It's money we don't have. So, since they are spending what we don't have and don't have to impose taxes to get, they just turn the faucets on wide-open and let 'er rip. It was 1 trillion on Saturday, but now it's grown to 2 trillion, so we've gone from 3 thousand dollars per American to six thousand. Oh well.

Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time. I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office. At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.

[Trump]
has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable.



and he is right . Could it be that we are doing this bass akwards ? The economic damage this is bringing is far worse than the disease .More people will become collateral damage due how we are approaching this . And what happens when the disease returns in a year . We are not properly developing herd immunity by hiding away in our homes . Maybe there will be vaccines and pharmaceutical remedies by then . But perhaps would've it been better to allow the young and healthy to become exposed ? I predict more people will be hurt by the economic damage this is causing than what the virus is doing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html?fbclid=IwAR1hAAnwAsXL_S8_v6rkm6s00 _0NH47xVgGq8y5Io_DBA-4yoWZab_rr200

Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time. You're right about that, but a little humility by Clete would be nice. When you are not familiar with the system, then maybe you should't be so quick to throw stones.


I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office.It is absolutely stunning that you left out Obama. He accumulated as much debt as every other pres before him COMBINED. Wow. You also conveniently neglect to mention that it was a Newt Gingrich led republican House that crafted and insisted on those balanced budgets Clinton had. Talk about being partisan!


At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.It would be fine if we had not just endured two presidents (Bush/Obama) that ran up enormous debt, and now a repub pres and dem House that just can't seem to spend money fast enough. If we had been responsible the past twenty years, we would have the margin to do this safely. And please don't go down the road of Trump's tax cuts. That accounts for only 20% (and probably not that much) of the present budget deficit. It is over-spending that is just killing us.

You're right about that, but a little humility by Clete would be nice. When you are not familiar with the system, then maybe you should't be so quick to throw stones.

In this case I didn't throw stones but made an observation based on comment by jl as to humility, you first, lead by example

Your comment was totally incorrect. I never said Pelosi was in the Senate. If I did, then post the quote. Otherwise, admit your mistake and drop it, or at least just drop it. It gets old.

Your comment was totally incorrect. I never said Pelosi was in the Senate. If I did, then post the quote. Otherwise, admit your mistake and drop it, or at least just drop it. It gets old.

You said that the passing of the bill was held up in the senate because of Pelosi but in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.

Now if it was my system of government the influence of the prime minister could be said to extend to the senate but Pelosi is not a head of government

in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.Your inference was based upon a faulty assumption. The House and Senate must both approve a bill, so there is always communication going on from one side to the other. Pelosi has a great deal of informal influence in the Senate. All Speakers do. That was your faulty understanding.

now if that had been your reply in the first instance we would have saved a lot of time

I assumed you knew what you were talking about. My mistake.

same to you with brass balls on

Well then we both made the same mistake. We both assumed you knew what you were talking about, and we were both wrong.

The dems would be very foolish to pass a bill repubs write without scrutiny. The same would go if the roles were reversed, and that's where compromise begins to get a bill in the first place. Of course Turtle face wants a quick bill with no strings attached and go home and run for re election, with something to brag about, as do the dems have their own agenda too for sure, but nobody leaves without a deal.

Now that it is firmly established that money just grows on trees, it really doesn't matter that much. Instead of squeezing this bill down to manageable size, they have just let it expand into the stratosphere. It's just a bad reflection of both parties.

The system is as flawed as the people who run it, and getting worse.

I think the mistake you make is believing there is a system when there is only chaos

The system is as flawed as the people who run it, and getting worse.Can't forget about the people who elect them.

I have said before that America got the president it deserves, so yeah I remembered that component as well. We screwed ourselves pretty good. Such is the way of humans. We now face the challenge of what our priority should be, dealing with the virus, or dealing with our economy. Somehow we have to do both, but an economy cannot be strong without healthy people. So it's a no brainer for me that a hospital TRUMPS the factory in this moment in time.

I don't think we can keep dithering about resourcing our health care system right now.

got the president it deserves,If you are referring to Obama, then that's a good point.

Honestly, what we are getting is a group of people who are completely irresponsible with spending and who have figured out that the American people are evidently dumb enough to accept deficit spending year after year without being able to look years down the road and see where this is going to take us. It used to be largely democrats, but now even the repubs have figured out that calling for fiscal sanity is a great way to get voted out of office by an electorate all too happy to get the goodies without having to pay for them.

Who is the president NOW? Stop acting like a dufus!

Who is the president NOW? Stop acting like a dufus!Stop with the name calling and address the real issues. Obama rode 10 tril of deficit spending. Trump is going down the same road. They are, in many ways, two peas in a pod. You worship at the altar of Obama and refuse to see it. That's unfortunate.

2 trillion . Can't wait to break it down . Betting on more that half is pure pork .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-white-house-reach-dollar2-trillion-stimulus-deal-to-blunt-coronavirus-fallout/ar-BB11Dj7d?ocid=spartanntp


The legislation, unprecedented in its size and scope, aims to flood the economy with capital by sending $1,200 checks to many Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. Other provisions include a massive boost to unemployment insurance, $150 billion for state and local stimulus funds, and $130 billion for hospitals. The bill more than doubled in size in just a few days.

and that is the 2nd bill passed and you know there is more coming . Like I said a cr@p sandwich . That's ok our children and grandchildren will sing our praises as they pay for a generational theft

The bill more than doubled in size in just a few days.In other words, there has been very little real thought put into it. Why would they need to send checks to the great majority of Americans who still have their jobs? This is largely election year vote-buying.

In other words, there has been very little real thought put into it. Why would they need to send checks to the great majority of Americans who still have their jobs? This is largely election year vote-buying.

So they can hunker down for a few MONTHS until the tsunami recedes?

So we will send money we don't have to people who don't need it? What a plan.

Waitresses, teachers, and a host of others need it! Specificallly who doesn't need it?

Teachers are still being paid so they don't need it. No one needs it who still has a job which is most people. As for those who don't, unemployment kicks in for them.

I think you get outvoted yet again dude, sorry, but in three weeks until the money rolls out a lot can change especially riding around looking for a freaking roll of toilet paper. Or a bag of rice and beans.

https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91286994_10221209986869455_6835379570422579200_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=bej5W0tMqVcAX_KROuP&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-1.fna&oh=4c7280a6822ba5e423a5274bf5f589da&oe=5EA30B50

Somewhat misleading and false given the facts which totally destroys the humor value, at least on the liberal side.

The facts back up the toon.

So do these...

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hospital-Mask-shortage-by-Dave-Granlund-PoliticalCartoons.com_.jpg?w=810

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/signe-wilkinson2.jpg?w=810

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Wartime-Presidents-by-Bob-Englehart-PoliticalCartoons.com-TAGS-ROOSEVELTLINCOLNWASHINGTONWARTIME.jpg?w=810

Remember Benghazi???

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/UYOaHA6Ol96hbS0UpGdpMJ59gjU=/800x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Corner-of-Democracy-58b8fdd03df78c353c5c0af5.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/3FMKz-tU3fIokln8Hx212xV7So8=/800x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Defending-Librerty-Cartoon-58b8fdbc3df78c353c5bec26.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/FW1uKge3qcrWj9nfU9y9j_ZYvoI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Trump-Duct-Tape-Cartoon-58b8fdb83df78c353c5be347.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/1hKCY0dzHLc4ZTjHcj74YZr5bL0=/800x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Trump-Locker-Room-Cartoon-58b8fdb25f9b58af5cc8205d.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/lqQrkQklOTpjMe8FmAtdDit9K90=/760x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Trump-Putin-Proud-58b8fda83df78c353c5bc5de.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/Q7ng4VOnZpfjUrLskPrIUHMxr0Y=/800x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Evangelical-Trumper-58b8fd9f3df78c353c5bb71e.jpg

This is all you need to remember.

good grief you are posting toons from 3 1/2 years ago.

waiting to see what gets passed and signed . Not looking good . I have employees already considering the possibility of intentionally losing their jobs because of the unemployment benefits in the porkulus 2020 .. The $2 trillion is misleading . Kudlow that big disappointment is saying Fed guarantees inflate the bill to $ 6 trillion .. and Madam Mim is talking about ANOTHER what she calls recovery bill . I was hoping to retired peacefully without joining the counter revolution . It doesn't appear that is going to happen

good grief you are posting toons from 3 1/2 years ago.

They are timeless and still perfect.

Thanks Athos, conservatives like to move on from the truth rather fast and with the dufus who is a lying cheating machine it's easy to forget stuff from 3 years ago that's been lost with the stuff from this week, month, year.

You believe this fool has literally tens of thousand cartoons about him in just 3 sites?

conservatives like to move on from the truth rather fastKind of like Benghazi?

Kind of like Benghazi?
Please address the topic at hand, the cartoons.

all this shows is trump is a living cartoon character

Please address the topic at hand, the cartoons.I was addressing this. "Conservatives like to move on from the truth rather fast." The cartoons are the usual politically motivated nonsense which both sides like to put out. Good for a laugh, but usually not much more.