when the tiolet paper runs out?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/shoppers-turn-to-baby-wipes-paper-towel-and-tissues-amid-toilet-paper-panic-buying-crisis/news-story/0773b83f75ac37f9f6d13e86cd59047e

coronavirus foolishness has reached new levels in Australia, a nation with few cases and even fewer deaths. Supermarket shelves have been stripped of everyday household items. Where I live, far from the major cities and certainly far from any reported cases of coronavirus, now known as CV, supermarket shelves have been stripped. Total foolishness and total selfishness. be prepared for this new blight to happen near you.

In a supermarket yesterday two women were seen fighting over a packet of pasta. When did your life depend on a packet of pasta?

Paraclete: Same stupidity is at work here in the U.S.: Hand sanitizers are GONE and if you find any they are PRICE GOUGING the daylights out of them. No hard times yet and people are ready to cut each others throats: Just think if A REAL EMERGENCY emerges: People will be killing one another.

Paraclete: Same stupidity is at work here in the U.S.: Hand sanitizers are GONE and if you find any they are PRICE GOUGING the daylights out of them. No hard times yet and people are ready to cut each others throats: Just think if A REAL EMERGENCY emerges: People will be killing one another.
Time for open carry of my Mauser....

W.G.: How in the world do you know about Mausers? Is there something we don't know about you and firearms? Mausers are one of my favorite high powered rifles!

Again utter foolishness, Doctors are buying masks from hardware stores, dentists are shutting down

How hard is it to swab people and get tests results from a reliable lab? Heck the Koreans have a drive thru for such testing.

Talaniman & Paraclete: Ya'll are looking at this all wrong! The angle here for a great many is: "How are we going PROFIT from this CV thing"? In the time of the Apocalypse, there will be someone trying like hell to turn a few bucks more out the impending doom: It is Biblical that it must be this way.

Yes it is the american way, but not our way, we have had a long crisis season, no excuse, but people are tired and the media relentless, so people believe there is a crisis when none exists

How hard is it to swab people and get tests results from a reliable lab? Heck the Koreans have a drive thru for such testing.

Tal it isn't hard but the process risks infection since you don't know where the patient or the health worker has been. When doctors start dying, and patients start dying it throws the system into chaos, where do you look next. Yesterday staff at a nursing home didn't turn up because an elderly patient had died from CV and a staff member accused of spreading the virus. Kids are turning up to school infected and noone know why, all isolated cases but this thing has been in the community longer than we know

I think of the greatest generation . I think of my father in law who spent his boyhood in the ruins of the Blitz . I think of my wife's grandfather who was wounded and taken prisoner as a member of the French resistence . I think of my father fighting in Korea ;and then was going to go to Nam during Kennedy's term until he got ill from all the immuniztion shots the Navy gave him.

Then I think of the stupidity of our self inflicted panic of a virus that compared to recent epidemics seems tepid .I am embarrassed how wet noodle our spines have become. I mean seriously ;we have Tito Vodka having to advertise that it is not a good idea to use their product in home made hand soap solutions. that the sale of Corona beer has sufferer since the outbreak . That people are emptying the shelves of TP .That it is almost impossible to find N95 masks even for heath care providers who genuinely need them while at the same time wearing them out on the street when you are healthy is a complete waste of a good mask.

Here is some perspective ;
the CDC estimates that there have been 18,000-46,000 deaths
so far this season. And that happens EVERY year even with the preparation of millions of doses of vaccine. And yet we somehow manage to go about out lives without irrational panic. 2009 the H1N1 swine flu caused at least 150,000 deaths worldwide and over 12,000 in the US . I do not recall a panic like we see here with almost around the clock coverage . Covid 19 appears to be a mild strain of corona virus .The children who have it do not die. The adults who have died appear to have other issues compromising their immune system.

Can't say about NY, but I don't see much panic in my neck of the woods, but we won't know how extensive this virus is because nobody is testing on a large scale so who knows exactly what the extent of it is.

Tom I agree we have been coddled by modern medicine and the millennials and recent generations are a bunch of woosses, they panic. CV appears to attack those with kidney disease while the rest of us catch cold, I have been sneezing and have a runny nose have I contracted CV, of course I haven't, but the millennials will run to the doctor fueled by media hype

How can you know whether you have CV without being tested?

I know its a terrible thing to say, a terrible reminder.....BUT: We are ALL going to die one day....if you number is up, your number is up....If you live in fear, you are not living the way we were designed to live: Nobody, no one, like cowards: This life is to be lived. ALL OF OUR WAKING HOURS ARE PREORDAINED!

How can you know whether you have CV without being tested?

because it cannot have arrived here yet, and even if it has I haven't been in contact with but a few people. I no doubt have a coronavirus, the common cold, not CV-19

I hope you're right and your fortunes continue, but maybe check those tourists, and sneaky migrants to keep it that way and be wary of your trading partners, as I've heard it's an easy thing to be caught unawares of. If you find a vaccine please share that with us.

it has been here for months . But most of us confused it with sinus sniffles

You could be right, the sudden onset in various places suggests it has been around longer than the official version, meanwhile the panic continues, people fighting in supermarkets, limits on purchases in supermarkets, it is inexplicable in a modern ordered society

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/violent-fight-breaks-out-at-woolies-as-toilet-paper-panic-buying-escalates/news-story/00f35a88267641bdca1b999ac1828cc8

Don't be so hard on yor fellow Aussies Clete. People paper is important! Would you want to be locked down in your house without it?

Don't be so hard on yor fellow Aussies Clete. People paper is important! Would you want to be locked down in your house without it?

I have a bidet so no need to panic, those who have panicked are selfish bogans. you can't eat toilet paper, or maybe you can but supermarket trolleys piled high with toilet paper show the level of intelligence, the level of my stock has reduced two rolls since the crisis began, horror, I need another big pack immediately

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good one

March Madness is the unofficial name for the NCAA college basketball tournament . It is a big revenue opportunity for the colleges ,the cities that host the tournament ,the employees at the arenas ,the network that airs the event . and local businesses that support the events . It lasts 3 weeks. It is a cultural phenomenon in this country .

The NCAA announced today that the teams will be playing at empty arenas for the next 3 weeks . It is March Madness indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo&feature=emb_logo

another good one Tom

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https://www.facebook.com/robert.merrihue/videos/2938117232875018/?t=0

NBA suspended it's season, and more to follow for sure. What no baseball?

the end of the world as we know it

Cabin fever for some, binge watching for others. Popcorn for all!

I am sure Spring Training will end in a day or less and the season delayed . I count on college baskeball to fill the gap between the Super Bowl and the opening of MLB.

Now all the cities are cancelling St Patty's day parades . What an event it is in NYC ! I have come into the city on the train and half the passengers are drunk before they reach Grand Central Station on the morning of the parade .

But the good news is that the bars will still be open . Everyone knows that the hidden cure to Wuhan Virus (may as well call it what it is ) ;is a couple of shots of Jameson with a Guiness chaser .

So China is suffering from a hangover not the flu?

Did any of you hear of a book by Dean Koontz entitled "The Eyes Of Darkness"? In that book, he predicts this bronchial pandemic, he predicts the year, he predicts the location in China from which it came, and he has a name for it called Wuhan-400, which is claimed to arise from biological weapons research by the ChiComs….SOUND FAR FETCHED? No, its not....damn thing was written a while back.

released 1981 .

tomder55: Just a fanciful imagination by Koontz or what? How do you explain this? Right at 40 years ago written (publishing and release takes time).

Here is what makes me mad as hell: EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN U.S. ELECTIONS: IS THIS NOT CHINESE COMMUNIST MEDDLING IN U.S. ELECTIONS? They release a contagion to knock the hell out of the U.S. economy in order to derail President Trump's Reelection and NOBODY is saying anything about that being meddling in the U.S. Election Process? COME ON!

He has some of it right ie the source probably originating from a bio-research (weapon? ) lab. His virus in not a corona strain . I have read many of his books . This one I did read but did not remember the details until you brought it up . I believe this was just an accidental release . There is a market near the lab that sells exotic meats like bat . The lab was doing experiments on bats . From there is spread because the Chinese travel to this country at a rate of 7,000 a day when there are no restrictions . This also began in late December ;right before Chinese New Year ;January being a very heavy travel month for the Chinese . Could it be intentional ? Maybe . But I wonder if even XI would be crazy enough to release it on his own population .

I liken this more to Lyme Disease where the epicenter was Lyme Connecticut ;right across the Long Island Sound from the US research lab on Plum Island . That too is a cover up .

Doesn't matter where this thing came from or why anymore, as it's more important to focus on what we do about it now, and as a matter of course the dufus is fumbling and bumbling and his failure to test and has everybody wondering WTF? That's not good and if it weren't for locals and states we would be up the creek without a paddle. He needs to just shut up and authorize the checks when the states and cities call for it. Every industry is more than funded and capable of covering it's own arse as far as a market solution.

You think some rich MOFO ain't buying up all those stocks that are falling all over the place? One FACT we know that rich guys got plenty of money from repubs last year, so when you hear them holler, ignore them and worry about yourself!

testing needs to be prioritized to high risk categories and those who have symptoms. it was not for those who are anxious and want piece of mind or hypochondriacs . and hate to break it to you ;the ability to produce more test kits is limited by Federal red tape ;specifically regs adopted by the emperor during H1N1 . 1 States were not permited to produce their own test kits 2. all test kits had to be sent to a CDC lab to be confirmed by federal authorities, a process that extended the wait times for patients to be notified about their results.

Both have been lifted so soon there will be plenty of kits available . They will be selling them at Ancestry .com . btw 4 million test kits will have been already been distributed by Monday . .

Even the Slimes is reporting on the real cause . According to the Slimes Seattle infectious disease expert Dr. Helen Chu had, by January, collected a huge number of nasal swabs from local residents who were experiencing symptoms as part of a research project on flu. She proposed, to federal and state officials, testing those samples for coronavirus infections. As the Slimes reports, the CDC told Chu and her team that they could not test the samples unless their laboratory test was approved by the FDA. The FDA refused to approve Chu's test on the grounds that her lab "was not certified as a clinical laboratory under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a process that could take months." In the meantime, the CDC required that public health officials could only use the diagnostic test designed by the agency. That test released on February 5 turned out to be badly flawed The CDC's insistence on a top-down centralized testing regime greatly slowed down the process of disease detection as the infection rate was accelerating.A frustrated Chu and her colleagues began testing on February 25 without government approval. They almost immediately detected a coronavirus infection in a local teenager with no recent travel history. Chu warned local public health officials of her lab's finding and the teenager's school was closed as a precaution. The teen's diagnosis strongly suggested that the disease had been circulating throughout the western part of Washington for weeks. We now know that that is likely true.

As the prez announced an emergency and CEO's said nice stuff and drive thru testing the markets shot up! Bout time he figured it out, and it's Friday so he can't screw things up tomorrow with his big mouth BS!

here's a novel twist for the novel virus, supermarkets implement elderly hours, but you have to get there before regular opening hours., now if the held an elderly day that would make sense

Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day. What were they thinking??? It's right on the level of Roosevelt not having twenty or thirty fighter squadrons moved to Pearl Harbor on December 6th. Have they lost the ability to see into the future?

Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing What were they thinking???
Yup. The best defense is to spit out nonsense!

Oh, why was "this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day"?

here's a novel twist for the novel virus, supermarkets implement elderly hours, but you have to get there before regular opening hours., now if the held an elderly day that would make sense

sorta like adult swim at the community pool. Where all the elders stand in circles chatting waist deep in water .

Oh, why was "this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day"?That was a response to Tal's post. I was being sarcastic and probably needlessly. Still, do you think it is reasonable to have expected those test kits for a virus pandemic basically unheard of even three months ago to be have been in place by now?

That was a response to Tal's post. I was being sarcastic and probably needlessly. Still, do you think it is reasonable to have expected those test kits for a virus pandemic basically unheard of even three months ago to be have been in place by now?
No, you missed my point. I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together.

We have to watch and alert you school admins....

I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together.Wouldn't "kit" have been the subject and "for testing this heretofore unknown virus" a simple prepositional phrase? "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses."

Wouldn't "kit" have been the subject and "for testing this heretofore unknown virus" a simple prepositional phrase? "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses."
"Kits" is the direct object in that sentence. "Trump" is the subject; "did have" is the verb.

I thought you said that "virus" was the subject? Even if that was the case, what action did "virus" take so as to have a predicate? It was not the "virus" that was "already manufactured and stored away, it was "kits". That's why I reposted it as "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses." Does that not make sense?

What was it that was going to be "manufactured and stored away", the virus or the kits?
The kits, the direct object.

Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?

This was your reply. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." Well, there was no predicate that followed virus for which it could have been the subject. It was the kits that were to be already manufactured. I think you missed it on this one. Besides, a word can be BOTH a direct object AND a subject in a sentence. https://www.answers.com/Q/In_a_sentence_can_a_subject_be_a_direct_object_at_ the_same_time

And for you to shame me by stating, "Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?" How amazing for a committed liberal to do such a thing. My goodness!!!!! I fell out on the floor weeping. I'll have to go to some safe place and get counseling to get over such a disgrace.

Crazy question, but why didn't we start having test kits the same time as China and SKorea?

Crazy question, but why didn't we start having test kits the same time as China and SKorea?How do you know we didn't?

How do you know we didn't?

Then where are they and why haven't they been used?

This was your reply. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." Well, there was no predicate that followed virus for which it could have been the subject. It was the kits that were to be already manufactured. I think you missed it on this one. Besides, a word can be BOTH a direct object AND a subject in a sentence. https://www.answers.com/Q/In_a_sentence_can_a_subject_be_a_direct_object_at_ the_same_time

And for you to shame me by stating, "Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?" How amazing for a committed liberal to do such a thing. My goodness!!!!! I fell out on the floor weeping. I'll have to go to some safe place and get counseling to get over such a disgrace.
And you still haven't figured it out.

I'm not a committed liberal; I'm a commmitted grammarian!

Please diagram this sentence you posted earlier, or at least note parts of speech:

"Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

I have a novel idea: China had a big jump on the U.S. BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY PLANNED TO INTRODUCE THIS VIRULENT VIRUS STRAIN FROM THEIR Wuhan biological weapons laboratory!

These are Godless ChiComs! Anyone who thinks that its not within their capacity to do something like this only has to look at what these vermin have done in the past.

And, this may have only been a "TEST RUN"....they may be planning something bigger. They will do anything to keep Trump from being reelected.

The U.S. media, for the most part, is a fifth column for the Chinese Liberation Army: they are Red China's APOLOGISTS! The Democrats, unfortunately, are complicit in assisting the Red Chinese efforts to disrupt the U.S. economy.....effectively, the Democrat Party has become a stooge and tool of the ChiComs.

I'm not a committed liberal; I'm a commmitted grammarian!I think you are one of the most committed libs I know. And to be a committed grammarian, why did you misspell "commmitted"?


Please diagram this sentence you posted earlier, or at least note parts of speech:I'll let the "commmitted" grammarian do that. I'm pretty sure that the word "virus" was not the subject of the sentence as you said it was.

BTW, even though I'm convinced you were wrong in this instance, I most happily will agree that your knowledge of grammar is better than mine. When you asked if I had learned how to diagram a sentence in grade school, it made me laugh. I didn't learn much in school. When I went to college, that all changed, but I didn't get really clear on direct objects until I took Greek in Bible college at the age of 27. Had to learn it then.

The U.S. media, for the most part, is a fifth column for the Chinese Liberation Army: they are Red China's APOLOGISTS! The Democrats, unfortunately, are complicit in assisting the Red Chinese efforts to disrupt the U.S. economy.....effectively, the Democrat Party has become a stooge and tool of the ChiComs.Vac, I don't think the dems are stooges for the Chinese. I think they have figured out that "free" has become a more important word than "freedom" for many of the American people. We have become such a dull and lazy people that many of us will gladly give up our freedom and the freedom of others in order to get some "free" stuff. When Geraldo seriously suggests that we print 200 billion dollars so we can "give" every American a thousand dollars, then you know that we have gone quite a ways down the trail of stupidity. I pray we have not gone too far.

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we have found the cure and it was right here all the time

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
researchers in Queensland have found the cure drugs already known and tested

Then where are they and why haven't they been used?

Guess I'll have to answer my own question.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

They have been used and distribution will be ramped up now the properties are known

Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+coronavirus+cases&qs=FT&pq=how+many+co&sc=8-11&cvid=828885B063F34CB989FF1300FF96E4A5&FORM=CHRDEF&sp=1

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...2c5e51706accb5 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5)
researchers in Queensland have found the cure drugs already known and tested

Don't jump the gun, Clete. They haven't even conducted trials on the drug yet.

Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+coronavirus+cases&qs=FT&pq=how+many+co&sc=8-11&cvid=828885B063F34CB989FF1300FF96E4A5&FORM=CHRDEF&sp=1

You will be laughing out of the other side of your face in a few days, this thing spreads exponentially, so a few cases this week become many next week, but as I said earlier the cure is known and available


Don't jump the gun, Clete. They haven't even conducted trials on the drug yet.

The trials will begin by the end of March, patients who have had the drug recovered, the drugs already exist and are readily available, the only thing needing to be confirmed is the application to this disease

Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+coronavirus+cases&qs=FT&pq=how+many+co&sc=8-11&cvid=828885B063F34CB989FF1300FF96E4A5&FORM=CHRDEF&sp=1

Yeah that's what the dufus said, but you don't mind if we wait for actual wholesale testing has been done instead of the small sample we have thus far. One thing we know for fact is the number of infections is ever growing everywhere so resting on just your 6 cases in MS may not be the thing to rest your optimism on because the caveat should be 6 cases so far, since we are in the early stages of detection. Still waiting for that expansion part promised weeks ago, so go ahead and laugh, but experts and the locals are hollering for more help, as the markets dropped 2200 more points before they halted trading and they dropped further still when resuming.


You will be laughing out of the other side of your face in a few days, this thing spreads exponentially, so a few cases this week become many next week, but as I said earlier the cure is known and available

The trials will begin by the end of March, patients who have had the drug recovered, the drugs already exist and are readily available, the only thing needing to be confirmed is the application to this disease

That could take a few months but still a ray of hope in the darkness.

we wait for actual wholesale testing has been done instead of the small sample we have thus far. Wholesale testing has not taken place anywhere.


One thing we know for fact is the number of infections is ever growing everywhereIt's spreading everywhere? I thought the rest of the world had it all together?


so resting on just your 6 cases in MS may not be the thing to rest your optimism on because the caveat should be 6 cases so farI'm sure the number will grow, but it hardly amounts to "sweeping the country". That was clearly a bunch of anti-Trump hyperbole.

We cannot say it isn't sweeping the country until a lot more testing has been done, so it also follows we cannot say it won't sweep the country either. We can say the numbers grow rapidly enough to warrant much caution, and precautions as seen in places with rapidly growing numbers and denser populations, but rural locations may have a bigger challenge to needed resources soon.

I highly recommend you not listen to the dufus on this and rely on health experts and local officials.

I highly recommend you not listen to the dufus on this How surprising.

You only commented on the last sentence, but what about the rest of the post?

The rest of the post was kind of a non-statement. "We cannot say it isn't sweeping the country until a lot more testing has been done, so it also follows we cannot say it won't sweep the country either," just is a long way of saying that we really don't know what is going to happen. I think our level of response has been appropriate, and perhaps even over the top. Only time will tell. Large scale testing will prove helpful. I think we both agree on that, but South Korea has done more testing than us, and yet their numbers of infections are double ours.

More test, more cases seems to be the prevailing situation for now, and I think that will certainly hold true as things ramp up here.

I think you are one of the most committed libs I know. And to be a committed grammarian, why did you misspell "commmitted"?
I misspelled because I was testing your mood.

I'll let the "commmitted" grammarian do that. I'm pretty sure that the word "virus" was not the subject of the sentence as you said it was.
I didn't say it was. "Trump" is the subject, and "kits" is the direct object. "Virus" is the object of the prepositional phrase. The phrasing makes it sound like the "virus" has been "already manufactured and stored."

"Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

BTW, even though I'm convinced you were wrong in this instance, I most happily will agree that your knowledge of grammar is better than mine. When you asked if I had learned how to diagram a sentence in grade school, it made me laugh. I didn't learn much in school. When I went to college, that all changed, but I didn't get really clear on direct objects until I took Greek in Bible college at the age of 27. Had to learn it then.
When I was in a public grade school in NC, I learned to diagram. My family moved to NY State when I was in 5th grade, and I continued to learn more complex diagramming in a Lutheran day school. I figured JL (since he is in my generation) was also taught diagramming.

I'm wondering if, in three weeks' time or whenever the bars and restaurants reopen, the crowds return to the malls and shops, and all the schools resume classes, will a dormant coronavirus rear its ugly head again?

I misspelled because I was testing your mood.Yeah. Right.


I didn't say it was.Oh??? Here is your quote. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." So you rather plainly said that "virus" was the subject and had a predicate following it.

I thought it was supposed to just be men who didn't like admitting when they were wrong.


I figured JL (since he is in my generation) was also taught diagramming.What I was taught and what I learned were, I'm sorry to say, two completely different things. I can actually remember seeing a sentence being diagrammed on the chalkboard, and I can also remember rather quickly finding other things to think about.

Oh??? Here is your quote. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." So you rather plainly said that "virus" was the subject and had a predicate following it.
Here is what you posted:
"Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

The virus is already manufactured and stored away?

Here is how it should read to be grammatically correct:
"Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses for testing this heretofore unknown virus in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

The test kits are already manufactured and stored away.

How surprising.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/03/11/fact-check-a-list-of-28-ways-trump-and-his-team-have-been-dishonest-about-the-coronavirus/

WG, you just start by saying, "I was wrong." Then you can continue with, "The sentence could have been worded more carefully, but when I said that the word "virus" was a subject, that was incorrect, and when I later claimed not to have said that, it was just a slip of the ole memory. Not only that, but I accidentally misspelled the word 'committed'."

See how easy that is? You would certainly earn everyone's respect.

WG, you just start by saying, "I was wrong." Then you can continue with, "The sentence could have been worded more carefully, but when I said that the word "virus" was a subject, that was incorrect, and when I later claimed not to have said that, it was just a slip of the ole memory. Not only that, but I accidentally misspelled the word 'committed'."

See how easy that is? You would certainly earn everyone's respect.
I love how you wiggle!

What is "virus" then? You can't just yell at me; be a good educator and please tell me the correct answer.

That's not the point and you know it. You said it was the subject. It is not the subject. You said you didn't say that. You did say that. End of story.

I have no idea what part of speech it is and don't really care. That's why I didn't bring it up and don't refer to myself as the "commmitted grammarian". That's all on you.

what does it matter, have a little tolerance

I have no idea what part of speech it is and don't really care.
And you're an educator? I'll go with 'Clete's wise words and be tolerant.

And you're an educator? I'll go with 'Clete's wise words and be tolerant.

I must protest vigorously! Such arrogant disregard of the rules of grammar deserve an immediate rap across the knuckles and a spirited pull of the left ear and I must evoke my solemn right to watch and jeer! You dare deprive me of such a spectacle because of deference to an AUSSIE?

SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head! I mean he did talk back on top of his other offense!

SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head! I mean he did talk back on top of his other offense!
We educators (aka grammarians) no longer physically abuse our students. I'm really surprised that, even without a background in diagramming, JL still doesn't know what "virus" serves as in that sentence. I was so hoping....

Noun or pronoun.

Noun or pronoun.
It's a noun. But it's not a subject. (The pronoun would be "it.") What oh what is it?

SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head!Tal, you do realize that WG is the one with the incorrect answers???


We educators (aka grammarians) no longer physically abuse our students. I'm really surprised that, even without a background in diagramming, JL still doesn't know what "virus" serves as in that sentence. I was so hoping....I don't feel too badly about that. You call yourself a "grammarian" and yet you got it wrong. Oh well. It must be alright not to know since it's true of both of us.

I must protest vigorously! Such arrogant disregard of the rules of grammar deserve an immediate rap across the knuckles and a spirited pull of the left ear and I must evoke my solemn right to watch and jeer! You dare deprive me of such a spectacle because of deference to an AUSSIE?

SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head! I mean he did talk back on top of his other offense!

are you the grammar police? who appointed you the arbiter of public knowledge, next you will be telling us what to think, wait, you already do that that making you the thought police too, a heavy burden

Either an object complement, or direct or indirect object...I think. Slapping JL upside his head is not abuse, because by definition it can cause no lasting harm, because his head is hard as a freaking rock. It's not abuse unless you use a bat (recommended) and multiple times (Also recommended).

yes we know that, don't point out the obvious

are you the grammar police? who appointed you the arbiter of public knowledge, next you will be telling us what to think, wait, you already do that that making you the thought police too, a heavy burden

No burden I do it from a keyboard in pajamas. For free in most cases as a free service to the peeps who need it whether they know it or not. So stop complaining it's friggin' free! You should be applauding my public service.

I don't applaud argy bargy from anyone

You Aussies have no sense of humor, so maybe the need for toilet paper is only perfunctory, and Argy and Bargy are perfectly fine gentlemen who are a hoot at parties.

You Aussies have no sense of humor, so maybe the need for toilet paper is only perfunctory, and Argy and Bargy are perfectly fine gentlemen who are a hoot at parties.

the need for toilet paper is because all the media hype and politicians running around like headless chooks has given us a bad case of the trots, argy and bargy are apair of mindless idiots who like to stir up trouble

Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!

Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!
Never mind the arab world has the solution

Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!

Stores are catching up somewhat and limiting some items per customer, but no doubt product producers have had time to figure out how to keep up with this demand brought about by current events and get on it. It's been more than a month and those adjustments are still not forthcoming?

Talaniman: The problem is that the Paper Industry, like all industries, is trying to strike the balance between Efficiency, Runnability (a word the P&P Industry uses to describe how well the Paper Machine operates), and Production: This is a dicey balance and pulling any one of these three indices will detract from the other two: It is the balance of PROFITABILITY. Now, normally, the profitability of an operation is congruent to the volume of product produced because the "fixed" costs are distributed over a larger product footprint but this is not always the case and the tipping point is, normally, the runnability of the Paper Machine. The capability of a Towel Machine to produce Tissue is there but the expectation must be acknowledged that the converted Towel Machine WILL NEVER produce Tissue as well as will a Paper Machine DESIGNED to produce TISSUE......NOW, if the GOVERNMENT mandates higher productivity level, EFFICIENCY OF OPERATION BE DAMNED, that is another subject! Its a war footing and mentality we need to take on this!

I'm sure, unless its given away free the markets will reward greater production of toilet paper since the demand is thru the roof. 2ply, or 1ply, doesn't matter, it moves like hotcakes.

Stores are catching up somewhat and limiting some items per customer, but no doubt product producers have had time to figure out how to keep up with this demand brought about by current events and get on it. It's been more than a month and those adjustments are still not forthcoming?

Latest effort to keep up supply, abandon noise abatement ordinances so trucks can deliver 24/7 to stay ahead of the idiots who strip the shelves bare. What I want to know is where they get all the money to do it?

The same place rich guys get their money from OPM. In the face of stay home and don't go out anybody would have to stock up on everything they can. Demand has risen faster than supply can keep up due to the spike in demand. Heck you should have seen that coming from overseas reactions to the virus when it was first reported. That may be great now, but food and toilet paper gets used up and then we are faced with restocking those dwindling supplies which may be a self perpetuating crisis in of itself healthy, or not.

Can you blame people for the stock up mentality when nobody knows how long it will last or when you will get another dollar in your needy little hands? I wonder about all those companies who got loaded with loot through the tax code are now looking for MO'MONEY from the dufus and have no clue how to conduct business through these current events. What happens on March 27th when economic figures are released for the US economy, and we find out that everybody is laid off in record numbers?

I guess those rich guys running the economy and government is maybe not a good idea, and for sure the trickle down is OVER for a while any way.

Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!

The answer is price gouging . If people thought it would be cost prohibitive to stock up on 2 months supply then they wouldn't and there would be plenty for everyone .

My buddies wife said she was stocking up for her whole family in case their household ran low. That's the secondary market for ya!

that's stupidity for you

Not for those that trying to survive that the good economy hasn't embraced. There has always been a second economy in America and if you can understand eating rats and bats and dog and cats in other parts of the world to survive, then understand what the working poor or the poor in any country does to survive. Not everyone has a bidet, even in America.

You tell a poor person to hunker down at home that means stock up, and toilet paper is but one item to be stocked.

Can you say GREED? Biblical....it has been written how man reacts when confronted with hardships....and man will do anything to survive....as will any animal.

Some need more toilet paper than others especially over months. The problem seems to be the supply chain can't keep up with the spike in demand and lets be real, the toilet paper rack isn't the only ones in the store empty.

I don't think that's all greed but how some are preparing for the worst. LOL even congress people are selling those stocks for cash while they can. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sens-richard-burr-kelly-loeffler-face-calls-to-resign-over-stock-sales/ar-BB11sd6r?ocid=spartanntp)What you got no stock to sell? Me neither. No 401K to lose either, I'm old school, I sleep on my money rather than let a rich guy use it to get richer.

I hope dems don't jump to fast with resignation talk, because I have no doubt they have stocks and may be dumping some of it too!

You tell a poor person to hunker down at home that means stock up, and toilet paper is but one item to be stocked.

I ask you how much toilet paper does one person use in a day, is it one roll? Since this "crisis" began I have observed my own stock of the product and I don't think I am any closer to shortage that I was two weeks ago, the last time toilet paper was readily available in my community. It is foolishness to stockpile toilet paper since other methods of hygiene exist, I also observe that other items are rapidly disappearing, pasta, eggs, milk, however we will survive with some belt tightening afterall we can always eat cake

I have no doubt that people buying a lot of toilet paper have kids, and no other options to wipe their a$$.

everyone has other options

everyone has other options
Such as? (Don't flush them, though.)

Use your imagination, toilet paper is a recent innovation, for centuries it was unknown, but telephone books, newspaper, take a leaf out of the chinese book and don't flush the wipe, brush, sponge, bidet, washer, etc, etc, etc

UGH! Maybe a sock in the pinch on a foreign pot. Hey when ya gotta go ya gotta go, toilet paper or not.

Pity the fool who don't wear socks!

Use your imagination, toilet paper is a recent innovation, for centuries it was unknown, but telephone books, newspaper, take a leaf out of the chinese book and don't flush the wipe, brush, sponge, bidet, washer, etc, etc, etc
My Nebraska and Idaho relatives' outhouses didn't have a flush mechanism, so pages from the Sears catalogs or city newspaper worked fine. Just be careful -- spiders were in their webs and splinters were on the seat.

UGH! Maybe a sock in the pinch on a foreign pot. Hey when ya gotta go ya gotta go, toilet paper or not.

Pity the fool who don't wear socks!

no need to waste your socks tal lots of other things available the Indians have a solution, quite literally a tin of water but then they have a diet where they are not dealing with solids

I doubt my diet allows me to trust a tin of water, and socks are easily available in a pinch, and I do have a drawer full if needed, so it's not a waste. Socks are just plan B when you aren't at home, and no toilet paper is available when the spirit moves you. Now if you have stinky feet or dirty socks you may well have to consider alternatives. You wear a T shirt don't you or have clean draws on when out and about?

Pity the fool that wears dirty socks AND underwear!

LOL
even congress people are selling those stocks for cash while they can. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sens-richard-burr-kelly-loeffler-face-calls-to-resign-over-stock-sales/ar-BB11sd6r?ocid=spartanntp)
What you got no stock to sell? Me neither. No 401K to lose either, I'm old school, I sleep on my money rather than let a rich guy use it to get richer.

I hope dems don't jump to fast with resignation talk, because I have no doubt they have stocks and may be dumping some of it too!



I don't see this Republican /Democratic ;blue /red .There is more than enough evidence that our Representatives in Washington live by a different set of rules that exempt them for activities that would be criminal for us . Since 2006, while the median congress person continued to get richer, the typical American household saw their wealth decline, dented by the 2008-09 financial crisis. Lawmakers ;both parties use their position to enhance their wealth through influence peddling and privileged information to make better investments. Like I said ,forget trying to prosecute ,this won't even get past the Ethics committee. That's because most of them to some degree use information they get in hearings to enrich themselves .Current insider trading laws do not apply to nonpublic information about current or upcoming congressional activity .Oh they were very clever about it . 2012 they passed a prohibition that the emperor signed to great fanfare . A year later they gutted it in legislation he also signed that did away with the on line disclosure provision of the law. Now to find out what trades have been made means going to the basement of the Congressional offices and requesting a print out . So for you and I want to find out when and if our representatives are trading ,it requires us to take a field trip to Washington.
They go into hearings and confidential meetings understanding new legislation is going to come out and are free to trade on that information.
If a lawmaker learns an upcoming bill will grant a company a large government contract, which could boost that company's stock, he or she is free to buy that stock ahead of the bill's public introduction. Ethics rules do not even require them to divest from industries they have direct jurisdiction over .And if they are not directly involved in the actual transactions more often than not it was their spouse or family member who profited from the information . Here is the solution ; don’t let public officials be active investors. Forget blind trusts . require them to divest of individual stocks . If they need to be in the market they should own mutual funds and index funds only.

https://www.npr.org/.../how-congress-quietly-overhauled... (https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/04/16/177496734/how-congress-quietly-overhauled-its-insider-trading-law?fbclid=IwAR0xJW_CTyNnHQCrr9JFqyVW7BtLeHozFKqMJ 4AYCHyGTN6-DOfBLCR8bNM)

Tom, your post is so true. It's true of both parties. It is astonishing how they have figured out that there is supposedly no connection between taxes levied and spending approved. They count on our blindness and ignorance.

it is a question of which came first taxes or spending, a politician can always see an urgent need funded by taxes or as it is better known OPM

Clete, it's especially true after the intentionally blind public accepts the "reality" of continuous deficit spending. It will be our downfall.

Yes and it seems to be infectious, after years of belt tightening and bringing the budget into surplus, my government has gone mad spending billions on a stimulus package that sets the process back years and this from a conservative government who continually touts economic responsibility

It is a politician's dream. Spending (hooray) without taxing (boo!) and then leave some other politician to clean up the mess. It's terrible we allow them to get away with it.

It is a politician's dream. Spending (hooray) without taxing (boo!) and then leave some other politician to clean up the mess. It's terrible we allow them to get away with it.

yes the ballot box doesn't appear to be the solution, viva la revolution!

viva la revolution!Now you're talking!

What are we going to do throw toilet paper in the rivers?

What are we going to do throw toilet paper in the rivers?

no not unless you make rafts out of it with packets and duct tape

So what's the revolt about and against whom, or are you conservatives just blowing smoke because of your frustrations?

The only way out of the economic mess and more debt is revolution, otherwise nothing will change and you will sink in an ocvean of debt

You saying that on the way to the hospital?

Sinking in an ocean of debt is where we are going. Perhaps more accurately it is sinking in a sea of stupidity and selfishness.

Choose your poison...debt or disease!

Or we could use our heads and not panic.

No panic here.

do we know what panic looks like, it isn't mobs in the streets

do we know what panic looks like, it isn't mobs in the streets
I see lots of coronavirus jokes and cartoons on Facebook and in my email. No panic that I can see.

Panic = a 2 trillion dollar "aid" package with no idea where the money will come from and but little more idea where the money will go. With that kind of money, you could simply give all three hundred million Americans over six thousand dollars each. They will give money to the unemployed. They will give money to the employed. They will give money to the arts including the Kennedy Arts Center. It is an outrage. They could have started with a tenth of that and then promised to revisit the issue in a month, but in an election year, with votes at stake, it wouldn't pay to act responsibly, so instead we have this.

Maybe it's enough for 4 mos, maybe it's not. If not, we get another bill for a trill or two!

Of course it is panic, panic at the highest level

I would say a lot of fear by everybody, but panic? Of the billions affected by the crisis, infected or not, of course some will panic, like that poor deluded couple who OD'd on fish tank cleaner.

viva la revolution! viva the counter revolution ;a return to a Federal Republic . I don't expect to live to see that day . But I am committed to it .

viva the counter revolution ;a return to a Federal Republic . I don't expect to live to see that day . But I am committed to it .

We have that but the president is a totally incompetent dufus.

no we don't The bill in the Senate passed unanimously . Federalism is dead save for the final statutary details .

no we don't The bill in the Senate passed unanimously . Federalism is dead save for the final statutary details .

Explain please.

We have that but the president is a totally incompetent dufus.Hmmm. Considering that we experienced a 1,000% increase in manufacturing job growth compared to our prior pres, what does that make Obama??? I guess he would a 10X Dufus?

Manufacture some PPE for first responders and some hospital beds and we can talk. Amazing how you take ONE stat and run with it like it's the whole story. On the list of pros and cons of the dufus he gets an attaboy for manufacturing jobs, made possible by the Obama delivering a healthy economy.

I think what he will be most judged on though is how he handled a crisis, rather than the crap he talked when things were good and cruising along getting stronger.

I think what he will be most judged on though is how he handled as crisisLet us hope so.

Let us hope so.
And how is he handling this crisis?

Very well.

Very well.
I haven't noticed. Which part is he handling well?

I'm not surprised you haven't noticed. Here's a good start if you are truly interested. The comparison of us and the European nations is especially noteworthy.

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/03/12/quantifying-how-well-the-trump-administration-is-doing-on-coronavirus-n2564867

I'm not surprised you haven't noticed. Here's a good start if you are truly interested. The comparison of us and the European nations is especially noteworthy.

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/03/12/quantifying-how-well-the-trump-administration-is-doing-on-coronavirus-n2564867
Published on March 12th, regarding travel restrictions.

As for how well he's handling this, he says he wants life to begin a return to normal as of Easter (two weeks from now)??? I see dollar signs flashing in his eyes.

This article proves nothing

I believe your question was, "Which part is he handling well?" The article plainly showed that the travel restrictions, for which he was criticized, was in fact a great move. It also plainly showed that we are doing better than the European countries and, in fact, a great deal better than many of them. So to say that the "article proves nothing" is really crazy. The TDS is getting wild on this board.

https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91343133_3131865786826319_8605655774326161408_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ENBEreNJdMEAX8K9xzT&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-1.fna&oh=b39c8d467695e0bf54c623f82a37937f&oe=5EA3624D

Yes he is doing a great job as we wake up to more cases than China(?), and first responders are getting sick, and hospitals are at full capacity, and testing is lagging badly, and we are getting more hotspots emerging. I guess it's easy to give him an attaboy while this virus doesn't affect you in such ways...YET.

We haven't even addressed the issue of caring for people with other issues yet, that will be adversely affected by this virus, not just in vulnerability to it, but in having the manpower available. In protecting first responders and eventually our military both active and volunteers, his grade has yet to be determined but ain't looking good so far. Yeah he gets a high grade from some for his travel ban, but the rest and even more critical categories not so far.

Wonder what parts of the economy he is looking to open up? OOH...OOH, I know making stuff hospitals and cops and firefighters need to do their job safely. Demand is really high for those products.

Trump continues to refuse to employ the Defense Production Act. Meanwhile, states are bidding against states, against FEMA, FEMA against states, all the while prices going up to the highest bidder. This is causing huge delays and whatever Trump or his cohorts say re the critical materials being delivered, he is flat out wrong, not to say criminal in the face of a growing health emergency.

He stated he doesn't want the Feds to do all the work. Unbelievable statement during a national emergency!

His comments disparaging three governors (all Democratic, of course) have to be heard to be believed. It is high time to be rid of this incompetent dangerous tyrant. Article 25 is there for those who are still patriots.

We are not in the same situation as China. The virus started there and was therefore able to be contained to one area. They then very nicely exported it to the rest of the world and thus made certain that containment could not happen. Most of what you have described is the result of being hit with a pandemic that no country, state, or city foresaw happening. Two liberal dem govs have complimented Trump on his handling of the situation. The truth is that if this was your beloved Lord Obama in office, you would be falling all over yourself praising his performance. It's just more TDS.

"France, Netherlands, and Spain, with few if any restrictions on travel, have confirmed infection rates that are respectively 8, 7, and 12 times higher. Switzerland’s rate is 23 times higher.

Of course, some countries are testing more thoroughly than others to see who has the disease. A better measure of the true level of infection might be reported death rates, although this data is still not wholly reliable. All of the above European countries, except for Germany, have higher per capita death rates than does the U.S. France and Spain have rates that are 6 and 9 times higher than the U.S. rate. Switzerland’s is four times higher. "

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/andrew-cuomo)said Thursday that his stay-at-home order for the entirety of New York State (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/northeast/new-york) was “probably not the best public health strategy.”
In a press conference in Albany, Cuomo said the smartest way forward would be a public health strategy that complemented a “get-back-to-work strategy.”
“What we did was we closed everything down. That was our public health strategy. Just close everything, all businesses, old workers, young people, old people, short people, tall people,” said Cuomo. “Every school closed, everything.”
“If you rethought that or had time to analyze that public health strategy, I don't know that you would say quarantine everyone,” Cuomo admitted. “I don't even know that that was the best public health policy. Young people then quarantined with older people was probably not the best public health strategy because the younger people could have been exposing the older people to an infection. “

https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuomo-closing-all-businesses-keeping-everyone-home-not-best-public-health-strategy

"Man Dying from Wuhan Coronavirus Was Given Hydroxychloroquine and Survived"

Who would ever have guessed that using an actual medicine would be more effective than using a fish tank cleaner???


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/03/24/good-news-man-dying-from-wuhan-coronavirus-infection-was-given-hydroxychloroquinehe-survived-n2565656 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/03/24/good-news-man-dying-from-wuhan-coronavirus-infection-was-given-hydroxychloroquinehe-survived-n2565656)

You are right about travel, we have many cases but few deaths and wide spread travel restrictions, you could even say we have closed our borders and shut down our nation. Our experience is two thirds of infections are imported, travel related and chloroquine was discovered to cure COVID 19 here

You are right about travel, we have many cases but few deaths and wide spread travel restrictions, you could even say we have closed our borders and shut down our nation. Our experience is two thirds of infections are imported, travel related and chloroquine was discovered to cure COVID 19 here

That makes no sense really if you are closed down as you say and the infection rates still rises despite your claim you have a cure. So when does the cure get used on the population?

Read today that, "More than 300 people have died and a further 1,000 have fallen ill in Iran (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/iran) after consuming methanol in the belief that it will protect them against the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus), according to local media." This is no doubt the fault of the many doctors who have advised people to drink plenty of liquids, or at least that would be true if we followed the logic of some people on this board.

Who on this boards logic is it you question and why? What does Iran and methenol have to do with the US? Please explain.

The insane logic that because the pres expressed hope in a particular medicine, then it was somehow his fault that an older couple took a chemical made for cleaning fish tanks. It would be just as crazy to blame Trump for the Iranians drinking methanol because he said drink plenty of liquids if you get sick. It's a simple and yet accurate comparison.

That makes no sense really if you are closed down as you say and the infection rates still rises despite your claim you have a cure. So when does the cure get used on the population?

The cure doesn't get used on the population it gets used on the hospitalised, that is under medical supervision, thus few deaths. The infection rate has slowed and has been less in the last two days, infections are from cruise ships, arrivals and people who have come in contact with them, there are few infections not from such sources

The insane logic that because the pres expressed hope in a particular medicine, then it was somehow his fault that an older couple took a chemical made for cleaning fish tanks. It would be just as crazy to blame Trump for the Iranians drinking methanol because he said drink plenty of liquids if you get sick. It's a simple and yet accurate comparison.
He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic.

"Drink plenty of liquids" is a far cry from "drink plenty of water."

He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic.

The very same day he mentioned it . Il duce Cuomo announced that NY STATE would begin clinical trials designed for fast track approval that began Tuesday . So now NY is administering dosage of the drugs under supersision . It is grossly unfair for the left to blame one idiot couple deciding to poison themselves with fish tank cleaner on Trump . I'm done with this issue . It is a waste of time to respond to this ridiculous non-issue .

He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic.

"Drink plenty of liquids" is a far cry from "drink plenty of water."Who could imagine why Trump would have brought up the subject of a drug THAT SEEMS TO BE A CURE FOR CV? Good grief you have one of the worst cases of TDS I have ever seen. If Trump raised someone from the dead you'd criticize him for not being a licensed funeral director.

315 million Americans and TWO decided he was suggesting they take fish tank chemicals. If you can make a statement and the odds are 157.5 million to one that people will understand your intent, then you have done fantastically, amazingly well. I'm not a fan of Trump, but this Trump hatred has reached the point of being obscene.

Who could imagine why Trump would have brought up the subject of a drug THAT SEEMS TO BE A CURE FOR CV? Good grief you have one of the worst cases of TDS I have ever seen. If Trump raised someone from the dead you'd criticize him for not being a licensed funeral director.
Funeral directors DO NOT raise people from the dead. That's NOT their job! Sheesh! The minister had his chance during the funeral!

315 million Americans and TWO decided he was suggesting they take fish tank chemicals. If you can make a statement and the odds are 157.5 million to one that people will understand your intent, then you have done fantastically, amazingly well. I'm not a fan of Trump, but this Trump hatred has reached the point of being obscene.
It was two more than zero. I don't hate Trump, yet I do feel very sorry for him. Apparently, you don't watch his news briefings....

Funeral directors DO NOT raise people from the dead. That's NOT their job! Sheesh! The minister had his chance during the funeral!You got the point.


It was two more than zero.Craziness. 900,000 dead every year from abortion and you have nothing to say, but you want to go wild about two people out of 315 million who did something foolish.

Sure sounds like hatred.

Craziness. 900,000 dead every year from abortion and you have nothing to say, but you want to go wild about two people out of 315 million who did something foolish.

Sure sounds like hatred.
No. The topic on the table is the coronavirus. Stop with the diversion!

No. The topic on the table is the coronavirus. Stop with the diversion!

It is not a diversion to examine priorities whatever the circumstance

It is not a diversion to examine priorities whatever the circumstance
Of course it is! Start a new thread.

You start a new thread I started this one and it has long since gone off topic. The topic, if I may remind you, was the foolishness of panic in the face of a pandemic


Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket

No. The topic on the table is the coronavirus. Stop with the diversion!It's not a diversion. It just strikes me as wildly strange that while you make a huge deal over the foolish decision of two people, you NEVER comment on the nine hundred thousand dead unborn children every year. I wonder why that is? It just smacks of being influenced by political hatred of Trump.

Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket correct . To call this a stimulus package is a joke .It is at best an aid package .That it benefits those who were forced out of their job or business is a good thing probably since it was government action that forced them out . There is way too much pork in it (and I haven't even really looked at it in detail yet). And they foolishly added incentive for workers to not go back to work for months .

There is way too much pork in it (and I haven't even really looked at it in detail yet). And they foolishly added incentive for workers to not go back to work for months .Has become all too typical. It used to be using taxpayer money to buy votes. Now it's become much worse, which is the use of borrowed money to buy votes.

You start a new thread I started this one and it has long since gone off topic. The topic, if I may remind you, was the foolishness of panic in the face of a pandemic

You can expect in times of crisis for some to panic and do some dumb stuff and even exploit the situation. I don't see it as widespread, but certainly becoming a law enforcement issue.


Now, I would like to know, what is the point of stimulus if retail businesses, in fact, many businesses, are forced to close down, you can spend just so much money in a supermarket

Stop thinking of it as stimulus and see it as a maintenance fee during a down time.


It's not a diversion. It just strikes me as wildly strange that while you make a huge deal over the foolish decision of two people, you NEVER comment on the nine hundred thousand dead unborn children every year. I wonder why that is? It just smacks of being influenced by political hatred of Trump.

An opinion on event, is making it a huge deal? That may be an exaggeration of a talking point and since when have ideological differences not been discussed here? We often get sidetracked into the side issues we personally peeve about. It's human nature to push a point by any means necessary.

An opinion on event, is making it a huge deal?Just expressing an opinion does not make it a huge deal, so that's true enough, but when a person repeatedly makes comments such as, "He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic," then that qualifies as making a huge deal out of it. It is a complete loss of perspective and reason.

correct . To call this a stimulus package is a joke .It is at best an aid package .That it benefits those who were forced out of their job or business is a good thing probably since it was government action that forced them out . There is way too much pork in it (and I haven't even really looked at it in detail yet). And they foolishly added incentive for workers to not go back to work for months .

The virus forced the action Tom, at least as I see it, but agree in the relief aid description. Watching to see if the bulk of the money for Big Biz gets used properly while we argue the age old argument of workers not wanting to work, and want free money.

Big Biz LOVES free money!

Just expressing an opinion does not make it a huge deal, so that's true enough, but when a person repeatedly makes comments such as, "He should not have mentioned the malaria drug at all. Talking about possible cures isn't in his playbook, especially this early in the pandemic," then that qualifies as making a huge deal out of it. It is a complete loss of perspective and reason.

The dufus could be more responsible and discreet with his words to the public but that is a hope we have had since he announced his bid in 2016. He hasn't changed so he gets BLASTED by those who oppose him like ME! Now maybe it's no big deal to you, but we both know that his words have consequences and even the SM reacts to them and that affects people, and not in a good way nor endears confidence or empathy.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/trump-congress-coronavirus-relief-oversight-152560


But in a signing statement issued shortly after he approved the bill, Trump says he'll be the last word on whether this provision is followed.

"I do not understand, and my Administration will not treat, this provision as permitting the [inspector general] to issue reports to the Congress without the presidential supervision required" by Article II of the Constitution, Trump said in the signing statement.

Sounds like a bully picking a fight to me. Or power grab!

Big Biz LOVES free money!
of course they do . That is one of the moral hazard in giving it to them .



The virus forced the action Tom,
That presumes that the only option was to shut down the entire American economy . That was not the only option . It is one we as a nation (or states ) chose . And we did it based on models that were not peer reviewed and had no data to back them up. Well now we are getting some data out of nations like UK and the data shows that much of the reaction was hyped up over reaction .

https://theweek.com/speedreads/904584/new-oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-may-have-already-built-coronavirus-immunity

Dr Deborah Birx said ; "I'm sure you have seen the recent report out of the U.K. about them adjusting completely their needs. This is really quite important. If you remember, that was the report that says there would be 500,000 deaths in the U.K. and 2.2 million deaths in the United States. They've adjusted that number in the U.K. to 20,000. Half a million to 20,000. We are looking at that in great detail to understand that adjustment.


I'm going to say something that is a little bit complicated but do it in a way we can understand it together. In the model, either you have to have a large group of people who asymptomatic, who never presented for any test to have the kind of numbers predicted. To get to 60 million people infected, you have to have a large group of asymptomatics. We have not seen an attack rate over 1 in 1,000. So either we are measuring the iceberg and underneath it, are a large group of people. So we are working hard to get the antibody test and figure out who these people are and do they exist. Or we have the transmission completely wrong.
So these are the things we are looking at, because the predictions of the model don't match the reality on the ground in China, South Korea or Italy. We are five times the size of Italy. If we were Italy and did all those divisions, Italy should have close to 400,000 deaths. They are not close to achieving that.
Models are models. We are -- there is enough data of the real experience with the coronavirus on the ground to really make these predictions much more sound. So when people start talking about 20% of a population getting infected, it's very scary, but we don't have data that matches that based on our experience.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/.../dr_birx_coronavirus... (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2F video%2F2020%2F03%2F26%2Fdr_birx_coronavirus_data_ doesnt_match_the_doomsday_media_predictions_or_ana lysis.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR24Mhvm_9MvZXyAAqIpiyo0nY yFqQpm-qKwWvkteILOX0PJG94YB2RxW40&h=AT2JvjmWmuuKgUwV0JK1GeusKmxJ0m685qey5Y9COBwTD-ulnJ6NtFALMbKsgQSHTbFOLPyCx5dBzVnNYycgEzT8g01d1tnw r8XHKqQIDX0YkCB2kppcA7X_96L2MHIdOQ)

The dufus could be more responsible and discreet with his words to the public but that is a hope we have had since he announced his bid in 2016. He hasn't changed so he gets BLASTED by those who oppose him like ME! Now maybe it's no big deal to you, but we both know that his words have consequences and even the SM reacts to them and that affects people, and not in a good way nor endears confidence or empathy.That's a fair enough statement. He has a big mouth. I had hoped he would learn, but so far that's not been the case. But to suggest that he was responsible for the dire situation of the elderly couple is just foolishness. It's just TDS on steroids.

Just a talking point his big mouth provided. He does that a lot.

Except in this case he is probably correct about the chloroquine drug.

I'm POSITIVE they are looking at many drugs to combat this virus and hope he is right about the ones he mentioned. So far we got nothiing definitive and may not for a while.

So far we got nothiing definitive and may not for a while.Nothing definitive is a good description, but the early trials of the drug seem to be very encouraging.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-more-medical-supplies-and-groceries-being-shipped-to-china/news-story/80996658deb3125807e4d4383b52611f

supplies urgently needed locally are being shipped to China, I for one are fed up with Chinese stripping supplies for shipment to China, this has to stop

China thanks you not just for your dirt, but food and toilet paper too...at market rates?

I think it is time we instituted regional lockdown so criminal elements from the large cities cannot strip our stores, ID on entry to supermarkets

LOL, criminals have ID's and the money to buy up all the grocery stocks. Maybe a cop at the exits would be better.

i mean to enforce local buyers only

Boy the freedom to shop where one wants has been trampled in the dust. Guess you'll build a wall next huh? Or maybe just start with a fence and a dog.

Everything is closed down, the only reason to go out is to get fresh food, the silence is deafening, except for the tradies across the road who are running the gauntlet

The light traffic for my area is refreshing. 4 stores and home in 45 minutes yesterday? It was rather early though, but for a 10 months supply of TP, not bad, but the sobering news was my kids and Gkids are unemployed and sitting home getting on each others nerves.

Peeps catching hell. Churches closed, liquor stores open. Refrigerator trucks for morgues and the run on body bags. Somehow being able to wipe my own arse pails in light of the bigger picture.

The light traffic for my area is refreshing. 4 stores and home in 45 minutes yesterday? It was rather early though, but for a 10 months supply of TP, not bad, but the sobering news was my kids and Gkids are unemployed and sitting home getting on each others nerves.

Peeps catching hell. Churches closed, liquor stores open. Refrigerator trucks for morgues and the run on body bags. Somehow being able to wipe my own arse pails in light of the bigger picture.

Yes it is a revelation how quickly our mighty empires fall apart, brought low by something we cannot even see

Yes it is a revelation how quickly our mighty empires fall apart, brought low by something we cannot even seeSo very true.

A challenge to rise to, an obstacle to overcome, an opportunity to be better.

my ankless hurt I'm not overcoming anything more than that today

We sort of took the day off today, but back to the routine tomorrow...MAYBE!

what passes for routine, every day a new challenge

That's the routine here Clete.

no wonder you get nothing done

We do enough to get by. Your bias is not surprising though.

My Asperger's son (he's as meticulous as I am) and I are cleaning out one file cabinet drawer a day, then will clean out the twelve drawers in the dining room teak cabinet, after which we will wipe down shelves and rearrange the canned goods etc. in a tall white wooden cabinet in the kitchen. We figure a drawer or shelf a day. Next will be the refrigerator, then the stove. That should take us to the end of April, I hope.

Any suggestions for May cleaning?

for me May means yard work . Still doing 12 hr days at work ,so nothing much has changed except I used to run into stores on the way home .

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-on-the-weeks-most-disgraceful-coronavirus-ban/news-story/1d67f5c9b101bbb49417fd91bd263142

one government has finally taken the step too far, people in a relationship who don't live together may not see each other. The state of Victoria in Australia is known for many excesses but this one takes the cake

They gave the cake back didn't they?