Mitch and Bernie will get along fabulously. Especially if a SCOTUS seat comes up and whatever judges needs filling. Primary ain't over yet and like I say the dem nominee gets my vote and I ain't gonna hold my nose either. I'm a realist though whatever the outcome I'll have my own plan that has always worked best for me, and mine.

You know how these things go Tom, hope for the best, plan for the worst! Go Joe Go!

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Go Joe Go!

coming in on a wing and a prayer, eh! Tal?

quid pro Joe would be better for the country than Bolshevik Bernie . If Joe is the nominee he won't be able to skate on the question of Biden corruption....and not just Hunter's millions in Ukraine and China ;but also Joe's brother who leveraged the fact that he is Joes brother to make one lucrative deal after another . In fact one of those businesses was raided by the FBI last month .Bet you didn't hear that on the Sunday morning news shows today . James it turns out leveraged Biden's name to attract international clients to drive up the value of two rural hospitals merger . He also used Joe's name to downplay legal ramifications .


“Jim [Biden] told me. Don’t worry every time someone threatens to sue you you’re with us now nobody is gonna touch you.” According to the lawsuit, “It was Frey’s understanding that Lewitt was implying that DMM [Diverse Medical Management] was 'protected' because of Jim Biden’s connections.”

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/02/17/federal_probe_for_james_biden-tied_firm__122447.html

This is just one of many examples where Jim Biden used quid pro Joe's influence to cash in . This isn't even the most famous example ….just the most recent one.

So what we have here is another demonrat crime family?

So what we have here is another demonrat crime family?


Like the dufus? Or Moscow Mitch?

yes seems to be endemic over there

Lot of money over here Clete, and it can corrupt. Money is a helluva corruptor.

if you are a Republican and any of the primaries tomorrow are open primaries then you must voted for Biden or even better Nanny Bloomy on the Democratic ballot instead of voting for the unopposed Trump on the Republican ballot .The goal here is to force a brokered convention Why not ? The Democrat do that when their candidate is unopposed like the emperor was in 2012 . If the political parties are stupid enough to have open primaries then they deserve what they get .

Tomder55: Have to ask you: Where did you get "Nanny Bloomberg"? I love it and it really fits him to a tee but where did you get it? I don't know if I have ever seen a candidate with less charisma than Bloomberg...well, maybe, Michael Dukakis, but Bloomberg is purely rancid!

I have to take credit for it . I saw him up close in action in NYC where he dictated soda size ,plastic straws ;keeping restaurants from having salt shakers on tables . This is not the stuff that Mayors should obsess over . I heard the phrase nanny state and put the two together . He reminds me of this quote from CS Lewis .

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

tomder55: Wow! Pretty awesome thought there! Bloomberg is an overbearing arsehole....and I don't know him personally...but it seeps from his persona: Kind of person you could be around and then want to hurry home and immediately take a shower.

Oh, and believe me: He wasn't doing any of that soft drink or straw stuff for "the public good": You can bet the bastard had some kind of monetary link to those initiatives.

He has bounced from right to left with his eccentric policies, but he's really rich, so he can do whatever he wants just as the dufus does, so why is that such a big deal with Bloomy? I guess it comes down to if he is your favorite rich guy bully and who he bullies along the way.

The big question tomorrow is does he even get a delegate ? Styer spent $200 million before he gave up and he is going to spend as much again trying to turn the Senate .

Khlobushar just dropped out of the race. The winnowing continues

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newsirelandgeneralelection/klobuchar-ends-campaign-for-president-endorses-biden/ar-BB10DVA1?ocid=spartanntp

yes quite a coincidence the days before Super Tuesday . I see the invisible hand of the emperor in this .
He is not the emperor's 1st choice ;but Warren is not going anywhere .

Bold prediction Biden and Sanders comes out close to even after tomorrow . The deal for the extreme base is not to add Warren or Sanders on the Biden ticket . Instead I believe Biden gets the nod and he nominates Kamala Harris as his Veep . That balances the ticket in a number of ways .

Desperate move to make sure that Sanders is NOT the nominee.

Chris Matthews just got purged from MSNBC . Here is his finest hour

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/chris-matthews-freaks-out-about-socialism-says-he-mightve-been-executed-in-central-park-if-castro-and-the-reds-had-won-cold-war/


turns out he had his own woke moment that was revealed Friday in GQ https://www.gq.com/story/chris-matthews-experience

I'll wait and see what the voters say tommorrow and go from there. Realistically I didn't see much of a path to victory for those that dropped out. Bloomy for all the money isn't showing much, nor is Warren at this point who is as smart and qualified, and experienced as any. Of course the establishment rallies around the centrist establishment candidate, as long as that establishment candidate performs to expectations.

I'm not counting Bernie out by any means but politics is politics!

Chris Mathews just retired! Talk about an era ending event!

I tell you what: If that grabby Uncle Joe tries to play touchy-touchy with Kamala Harris, he is going to get slapped! And she won't care whose is looking!

Chris Mathews just retired! Talk about an era ending event!
At the top of "Hardball," Chris briefly announced his retirement and left the studio. Totally unexpected by the network staff! I've never seen Steve Kornacki rattled before.

I think Chris Matthews was coerced into "Retiring", like he kind of knows another "shoe" is about to drop....probably a woman's shoe!

Talaniman: Another case of a big corporation "Using Up" and asset and disposing of him, like so much garbage...using the excuse that he alluded that Bernie Sanders may be a closet communist: The Thought Police are hard at it today, working tirelessly to make sure that you color inside the lines and toe the line! The slime balls he worked for didn't try to defend him at all...instead, they threw him to the wolves....I might not agree with most of what Matthews said or even believes but I sure as hell don't like how they treated him, either.

Uncle Joe threw down the gauntlet :


"Talk is cheap, false promises are deceptive, and talk of revolution isn't changing anyone's life."

Vac, Mathews left with an apology and warning, watch your mouth. He had his day and a long good career, and is gone. No doubt compensated richly, so I got no grief with his leaving. The question now can Bernie rally his troops against the establishment and can Biden take advantage of the bump he got in SC, and moderates dropping out, and supporting him. The early, and absentee votes though predate the Biden surge, and could be CRUCIAL for Bernie.

It's on for sure!


Uncle Joe threw down the gauntlet :


"Talk is cheap, false promises are deceptive, and talk of revolution isn't changing anyone's life."


YEP! That's how it's going to go from here.

The early, and absentee votes though predate the Biden surge, and could be CRUCIAL for Bernie. the big flaw in early voting exposed .

Everything humans do has flaws in it, but do we throw the baby out with the bath water? Early voting is a great convenience for many people, especially working people so maybe such a big field played into that too!

Evidently Matthews had committed the now unpardonable sin of complimenting women on their physical appearance. Men who commit such a heinous act are now expected to grovel and pay penance to the god of womanhood.

jlisenbe: I hope my "day of reckoning" is gracious: I grew up when whistling at women was EXPECTED: if you didn't look and whistle, people thought something was wrong with you: mind you, you didn't do this to the women around where you grew up...but when you went to town, all bets were off!

tal early voting is a horrible idea. Many people voted over 2 weeks ago when the field was crowded . I gots a secret for you . The early vote is not even counted unless the ballots taken on voting day are indecisive .

Uncle Joe threw down the gauntlet :


"Talk is cheap, false promises are deceptive, and talk of revolution isn't changing anyone's life."


talk is indeed cheap and getting cheaper by the day, except for bloomy

you know what I like about this process it has driven Trump out of the news cycle, he has become irrelevant in the cycle of more important news, must burn him

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Clete Trump is tweeting furiously .

Here's the deal . The competitive Dem Texas primary had a little over 1 million turnout . The Repub primary in Texas that only had Trump on the ballot doubled the Dem turnout . Even with the fear of covid19 ,Trump is filling arenas for his rallies and people wait outside to see them on big screens .

So the only show in town is the Trump circus, but he is off the international news scene supplanted by a differenent disease

Paraclete: Are you complaining that you aren't getting enough Trumph (original German spelling of his last name before it was Americanized)?

Nanny Bloomy is out .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxha1IUsSPI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0df1MJlPwOZYlRlwQ6DldDqdpl6iCJC_VT5ziYH 75CodRFqIgRjMRXEDI

He should ponder how many homeless he could've sheltered with the money he spent to buy American Samoa .

Nanny Bloomy is out .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxha1IUsSPI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0df1MJlPwOZYlRlwQ6DldDqdpl6iCJC_VT5ziYH 75CodRFqIgRjMRXEDI

He should ponder how many homeless he could've sheltered with the money he spent to buy American Samoa .

Maybe all the candidates should ponder more helpful things they could spend the big bucks on! Poor Sessions in Alabama, caught in a run off, running on how much he helped his boss while the boss is blasting him on twitter.

Talaniman: Sessions is a basket case....Spiro Agnew called his type to be "Nattering Nabobs Of Negativism", which is EXACTLY who and what he is: He is indecisive and the closest thing we have to the God awful Mitt Romney! This country has to be very, very happy and should thank God every day that we did not elect that Mitt Romney as POTUS: Mitt Romney is AS WORTHLESS AS TITS ON A BOAR HOG!

Who will stay the course, will it be Bernie or Joe? exhausted voters want to know

Who will stay the course, will it be Bernie or Joe? exhausted voters want to know
Will it be Bernie or Joe?
Exhausted voters want to know!
Which one is starting to glow?
Who has the most dough
And at the end he will crow?
Listen to the promises that flow,
Neatly lined up in a row.
I have darts we can throw --
Only the winner will say "Ho ho ho!"

good one WG

Will it be Bernie or Joe?
Exhausted voters want to know!
Which one is starting to glow?
Who has the most dough
And at the end he will crow?
Listen to the promises that flow,
Neatly lined up in a row.
I have darts we can throw --
Only the winner will say "Ho ho ho!"

I see a future as a rapper for you WG!


Who will stay the course, will it be Bernie or Joe? exhausted voters want to know

That's what the primary process is all about Clete, and while the talking heads blister the airwaves most voters have other things to do better than listening to them day in day out and at night. Netflix and popcorn keeps the exhaustion away until it's time to vote.

I see a future as a rapper for you WG!
Now if JL will get out his snare drum and V7 his washboard, we can put this to music. Tal, start working on dance steps!

That's what the primary process is all about Clete, and while the talking heads blister the airwaves most voters have other things to do better than listening to them day in day out and at night. Netflix and popcorn keeps the exhaustion away until it's time to vote.
Bloomberg dropped out of the race yesterday morning. Last night one of his many commercials aired. Isn't someone in charge of this sort of thing?

W.G.: When you have BILLIONS OF $$$s to fritter away, what is one meaningless commercial? Bloomberg is one strange fellow, honestly: Ever heard of "Milk Toast", that is Bloomberg.

Warren has dropped out of the race leaving Joe and Bernie. She hasn't endorsed anyone yet.

and you have to ask what was the point of 20 would be candidates in the first place, egos in bloom?

Now if JL will get out his snare drumBass. I play the bass, not the snare. Sorry.

Bass. I play the bass, not the snare. Sorry.
I knew you had rhythm!

and you have to ask what was the point of 20 would be candidates in the first place, egos in bloom?

Over here any one can run, and maybe ego plays a part, since you need a big one to even throw your hat in the ring. The process winnows them down fairly quickly though as you see. We give everyone a shot and the voters decide.

I knew you had rhythm!One of my better qualities.

E Warren is already whining about sexism causing her campaign to fail. How predictable and how nauseating. Forget the fact that HC was the nominee the last time around or that the majority of dem voters are female. Of course she could have simply listened to her imaginary account of Sanders warning her that a woman could not win. I guess it's just a matter of time before she starts blaming it on Donald Trump and the Russians. Well, her loss is definitely the country's gain. Now if she can just be voted out of the senate and given a job she is more suited for such as assistant director in the department of American Indian relations.

in the woke world where almost everyone is a victim except for the old white man then of course the fact that she is a patented phony can be attributed to sexism. Bolshevik Bernie is next .... because he is Jewish .

E Warren is already whining about sexism causing her campaign to fail. How predictable and how nauseating. Forget the fact that HC was the nominee the last time around or that the majority of dem voters are female. Of course she could have simply listened to her imaginary account of Sanders warning her that a woman could not win. I guess it's just a matter of time before she starts blaming it on Donald Trump and the Russians. Well, her loss is definitely the country's gain. Now if she can just be voted out of the senate and given a job she is more suited for such as assistant director in the department of American Indian relations.

Nice spin, effective if I had not actually seen what she said, or read her plans as laid out on her web sight. If you compare Bernie's plan to hers, she clearly has the better more cost effective one, but Bernie gets a pass for his.

We all know you're going to vote for the dufus AGAIN, finding no dem candidate to support,so no surprise you cast shade on any dem. Matter of time before you find issues with the last two when your issue is with the dems and liberals in general.

No biggie to me JL, as I would gladly vote for Warren over the dufus myself, if indeed she had won the nomination. I've never been a Bernie fan, but if he wins it, he gets my vote too. Speaking of Bernie and whining, he is whining his arse off about the establishment consolidating against him, while he concedes the south and runs to the rust belt to win votes.

If you compare Bernie's plan to hers, she clearly has the better more cost effective one, but Bernie gets a pass for his.Warren had a massive new spending proposal with no way to pay for it. In what way is that "more cost effective"?


Nice spin, effective if I had not actually seen what she said,
Are you suggesting she did not say that, because I'll be glad to supply the video link for you if you'll agree to admit you were completely wrong after watching it.

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he is pathetic . He rolled over in 2008 when Evita was vulnerable. He has a mountain full of dirt he could use to challenge quid pro Joe on and guaranteed he will not use it . He even gives up his mike when challenged on the stump .

in the woke world where almost everyone is a victim except for the old white man then of course the fact that she is a patented phony can be attributed to sexism. Bolshevik Bernie is next .... because he is Jewish .

Making excuses for his shellacking on Super Tuesday? Or subsequent possible future shellacking? Biden certainly has momentum, Tom and be they woke or Jewish you know how the rhetoric of politics goes and excuses mean nothing when you just don't get the votes. Ask HC.

excuses mean nothing when you just don't get the votes. Ask HC.I would agree with that, but it certainly hasn't stopped HC from making excuses.

jlisenbe: E. Warren is just a liar...and she knows it. She is a weirdo and chameleon: She has changed by her political stances, her moral positions, and her color over time: She is, in effect, A LIZARD!

Warren's high point in craziness was probably her pledge to have a trans child do the vetting for her Secretary of Education nominee. How do people come up with these crazy ideas?

If you compare Bernie's plan to hers, she clearly has the better more cost effective one, but Bernie gets a pass for his.


Warren had a massive new spending proposal with no way to pay for it. In what way is that "more cost effective"?


Nice spin, effective if I had not actually seen what she said,


Are you suggesting she did not say that, because I'll be glad to supply the video link for you if you'll agree to admit you were completely wrong after watching it.

What's the point of debating such trivia since Bernie is still in it and Warren is not? The reasons and excuses have been resolved by votes.

She is, in effect, A LIZARD!
I suspect you mean chameleon, not lizard.

W.G.: Is not a Chameleon not the same as a species of lizard?

W.G.: Is not a Chameleon not the same as a species of lizard?
Yes, but the point you were making had to do specifically with a chameleon's ability to change its appearance.

W.G.: Yes, it did....and she does change appearance....and rhetoric....and ethnicity....and political stance....and economic positions (remember when she was PRO CREDIT CARD COMPANY and wanted people to go to jail if they didn't pay back IN FULL)….she it truly a treacherous person.

Like the dufus who has been a snake all his life?

Talking about the guy who has historically low unemployment numbers? Him?

yes , one statement does not exclude the other

What Clete said. Like his fortune the snake inherited a good economy that was already close to the record in the first place. Ask Eve what happens when you listen to a snake.

Like his fortune the snake inherited a good economy that was already close to the record in the first place.The only economic record the Obama economy was close to was the slowest recovery from recession in a hundred years. Impressive.

The only economic record the Obama economy was close to was the slowest recovery from recession in a hundred years. Impressive.

Any fool can stomp on the accelerator once you get the car running and back on the road, slow or NOT. Hmm Obama left with 4 point something unemployment, and the dufus has 3 point something so bragging about one point isn't very impressive either.

We will see how he handles this current crisis which is fairly slow itself, but I can wait and see how he handles things from here. Did you ever see what God told Eve about listening to a snake? The dufus is a slimy slithering snake whether you true believers admit it or not.

So your theorem is that BO was not just any fool and that Trump is. He was fool enough to get elected against the odds, you might just be right

No comparison between BO and this lying cheating bully dufus who claims credit for the 8 years of work to restore fiscal sanity and stability, and I don't care what the repub spin is in this election season. Stop listening to what the dufus and his sycophants are saying or join Eve on the punishment list.

Meantime 6 more states go to the polls in the dem primary.

a little virus and all that work whether BO or Trump is going down the drain

We'll regroup and rebuild like we have after all the other challenges we have faced Clete. You have any doubts? May take a while, but we are a hardy bunch.

like the previous ones we are all in this together so please no making america great again, please!

please no making america great again, please!Too late for that. It's already happening with Trump as pres.

Too late for that. It's already happening with Trump as pres.

I think it might be short lived, you are too tied to China

We were already getting greater than we were despite the dufus antics, and events, but it's not so great when the dufus allows the Saudis to pimp slap us and Canada, while showing up Vlad.

Joe is kicking Bernie's butt tonight!

be happy your choice is winning for now

I am...for now.

We were already getting greaterGuess that explains how Trump was able to show ten times more new jobs in manufacturing in his first 18 months than Obama had in his last eighteen months. Strange isn't it?

Nitpicking is beneath you as the US economy is much greater than just manufacturing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/#43ca53246ba6

NitpickingFunny how it's always nitpicking to you when the data clearly favors Trump.

A little better examination of the issue.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/13/matthew-dowd/did-obamas-final-years-beat-trump-jobs-stock-value/

Joe is kicking Bernie's butt tonight!
Bernie made his Churcillian 'Darkest Hour ' address today . He is still close in delegate count and could end up doing what I want and what is actually best for the country ;a brokered convention . Why ? Bernie is an avowed commie . He all but admitted it on 60 Minutes. Joe on the other hand is a warhorse whose mental facilities are deteriorating by the hour . The best thing that could happen would be for the Dem leaders to pick a candidate at the convention who is lucid and moderate . OK I get it the Dems are in this civil war between the factions of extreme left (I'll be kind) socialism ;and the establishment Fabians . If they surrender their party to the Bernie faction they will be trounced . But Biden is close to 5 beers short of a six pack.

But instead the Dem are rallying behind him and rigging the game . They won't let Gabbard ,who is still running to participate in the debates . They are changing the debate format from standup for 90 minutes to sit down town hall variety . Why ? Because they don't believe Biden can physically last in that format . They will have to install a life alert button on the podium if they stick to that format .
BTW ;where are all the psychologists who wrote letters questioning Trump's mental capacity in 2016 ? Why aren't they writing about Biden's clear mental deterioration . You going to elect someone who goes into a rage and calls someone a POS for questioning his 2nd amendment positions ? Oh Boy !

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BTW ;where are all the psychologists who wrote letters questioning Trump's mental capacity in 2016 ? Why aren't they writing about Biden's clear mental deterioration . You going to elect someone who goes into a rage and calls someone a POS for questioning his 2nd amendment positions ? Oh Boy !Very good observation.

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Funny how it's always nitpicking to you when the data clearly favors Trump.

A little better examination of the issue.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/13/matthew-dowd/did-obamas-final-years-beat-trump-jobs-stock-value/

I guess you haven't noticed but we have a global event that's disrupting everything right now so your year old article is irrelevant.

@ Tom, feel free to delete that post too, though it was rather humorous if not exaggerated a bit. Tulsi Gabbarts...REALLY? You comparing Biden's cussing to the dufus 3 years pick an event?

I had a meme there that in retrospect was in bad taste .

Tal if you don't see his diminished mental capacity then you are in denial . His so called gaffes are daily events these days . During the same exchange he said that you dont need 100 rounds for an AR-14 . He is so confused at his events he can't remember the day ;what state he is in . He called Super Tuesday 'Super Thursday '. He could not recite the Declaration of Independence . He called it "you know that thing" .

Even the Dems are concerned and saying it publicly

Tal if you don't see his diminished mental capacity then you are in denial . His so called gaffes are daily events these days . During the same exchange he said that you dont need 100 rounds for an AR-14 . He is so confused at his events he can't remember the day ;what state he is in . He called Super Tuesday 'Super Thursday '. He could not recite the Declaration of Independence . He called it "you know that thing" .

Even the Dems are concerned and saying it publicly
Maybe he and tRump can room together on the (securely locked) Alzheimer's floor at a nursing home.

I may have some underlying concerns about Trump's personality disorders . I have seen no indication of mental facilities being diminished . My own view ... the constitution sets the age of eligibility at 36 . Double that to 72 and that should be the last year of eligibilty to run. I'll add that to the amendments I propose at the Article 5 convention of the states

I have seen no indication of mental facilities being diminished .
Surely you're joking!!!!!

nope like I said .I see personality disorders but his mind appears sound.

nope like I said .I see personality disorders but his mind appears sound.
The man can't even spit out a coherent sentence!

The man can't even spit out a coherent sentence!

Yes but he is in a long tradition of american presidents, remember GW Bush, so you can't buck the trend

this is in the last week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wacY29iMuUs&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5y3XHIyLRM

nope like I said .I see personality disorders but his mind appears sound.
I found several recent remarks to show his mind isn't sound. Here is one of them about that cruise ship on the California coast:

[My experts] would like to have the people come off. I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision. I would rather—because I like the numbers being where they are. I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.

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If you're worried about a pres saying something stupid, then don't vote for JB. He doesn't even know where he is half the time.

Unlike the dufus, Biden has a solid team around him including a savvy experienced spouse who is always by his side. Lets face it, gaffs don't compare to lies and deceits and insults and case in point that ridicules speech from the oval office the dufus made which I'm sure will go over well not just with Europe, but Wall Street as well. It sure hits a sour note with Americans. Lets face it, the dufus wasn't looking that great when things were humming along on full auto, and now he has a challenge he cannot lie cheat and steal his way out of, and his sycophants are too scared to tell him his approach is idiotic slow and inadequate.

Nineteen states have declared a state of emergency (https://www.businessinsider.com/california-washington-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-what-it-means-2020-3) to deal with this crisis, so when does the dufus follow suit?

He has them to handle the negative press for him

Everybody needs someone to handle negative press whether it's an election year or not.

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a savvy experienced spouse who is always by his side.Can she speak five languages like Melania can?

No, but does she need too? Why?

Not really, but it does speak to mental ability. You said she was a " savvy experienced spouse". Fair enough, but she is no more intelligent that MT is.

Besides, when your husband really believes that we have had a hundred and fifty million people killed in gun violence in the past decade, then he needs a lot of help. It was more, he said, than all the wars combined. Really? That's pretty loopy. He needs, for sure, a " savvy experienced spouse who is always by his side." Maybe she can help him remember where he is. "Now remember, Honey, that this is the O-V-A-L O-F-F-I-C-E". Remember now, sweety?

How about that savvy son of his who was, we are to believe, smart enough to go from knowing basically nothing about the oil and gas business to, overnight, becoming a major player making many hundreds of thousands of dollars on the BOD of a major oil and gas enterprise? I'm sure that was all legit. How much you want to bet that's why the dems have dropped all talk of impeachment? They don't want any of that investigated or Hunter having to testify.

All you had to do is look up DR. Biden for yourself to know she is very intelligent and accomplished professionally. Joe's gaffs over the years are more amusing rather than misleading. I wont even bring that nonsense about his son into this as the dufus is on record to being in favor of bribing people to get his deals done, and has a public record of shady deals in his history, but I doubt that has anything to do with the dems not beating the impeachment drum any more since repubs would just clear him anyway. What would be the point, though aquitted he was still impeached and whose to say that's the end of his criminal behavior being called into account?

If it weren't for Daddy running for PREZ, repubs wouldn't be interested in Hunter, and indeed, they weren't when he was VP either. Not a peep until Joe announced, nor anything said about the other BOD members Americans among them. Hunter got the job through a friend who was called on to consult the business practice , an old friend who he had worked with before, and many rich kids with connected daddies do the very same thing around the world, so have at investigating Hunter, as I have no doubt this is a nothing burger but may open the door to closer scrutiny of the dufus and his kids who are just as fair game as young Biden is. Repubs want the talking points and sound bites and the truth doesn't matter since it's a smear campaign to distract from the dufus's own antics and actions.

You better hope the Russians and Saudis resolve their differences because US and Canadian oil companies will be hard pressed to sustain current production at 30 bucks a barrel for very long. I doubt the Saudis can either to be honest. The laundry bill for those robes can't be cheap.

All you had to do is look up DR. Biden for yourself to know she is very intelligent and accomplished professionally.Does being kicked out of the navy for repeated drug use count as being "accomplished professionally"? Or all of his experience with oil and gas which is ZERO?


Joe's gaffs over the years are more amusing rather than misleading.when someone really believed that 150 MILLION Americans had been killed in gun violence, more, he believed, than all of our war deaths combined, then that would not count as "amusing". Stupid, perhaps, but not amusing.


I wont even bring that nonsense about his son into this as the dufus is on record to being in favor of bribing people to get his deals done,If Trump was really on record as saying such a thing in his function as pres, then you might have a point. Since he is not, then you don't.

Does being kicked out of the navy for repeated drug use count as being "accomplished professionally"? Or all of his experience with oil and gas which is ZERO?

DR JILL Biden was the accomplished professionally one. Read that again. Hunter whatever his deal isn't running for anything.


when someone really believed that 150 MILLION Americans had been killed in gun violence, more, he believed, than all of our war deaths combined, then that would not count as "amusing". Stupid, perhaps, but not amusing.

Even if it was stupid rather than mistaken, does it rise to anything the dufus has said in just the last few days?


Even Trump was really on record as doing that, then you might have a point. Since he is not, then you don't.

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/08/561059555/trump-used-to-disparage-an-anti-bribery-law-will-he-enforce-it-now#

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/15/21067426/very-stable-genius-washington-post-bribery-law-trump

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/donald-trump-bribery-laws

including a savvy experienced spouse who is always by his side. to wipe the drool from his lip and change his depends

Even if it was stupid rather than mistaken, does it rise to anything the dufus has said in just the last few days?It goes far and above anything Trump has said. It is one of the most bizarre statements I have heard in a long time.

So Trump is on record as considering a change in the law. In what universe would that equate him being in favor "of bribing people to get his deals done?" It had nothing to do with his deals. It would involve a change in law for everyone in business.

It goes far and above anything Trump has said. It is one of the most bizarre statements I have heard in a long time.

So Trump is on record as considering a change in the law. In what universe would that equate him being in favor "of bribing people to get his deals done?" It had nothing to do with his deals. It would involve a change in law for everyone in business.
I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.

I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.

Imagine how dizzy he must feel WG.


It goes far and above anything Trump has said. It is one of the most bizarre statements I have heard in a long time.

So Trump is on record as considering a change in the law. In what universe would that equate him being in favor "of bribing people to get his deals done?" It had nothing to do with his deals. It would involve a change in law for everyone in business.

That's what he says and in what logical universe would a guy want to change or repeal an anti bribing law if wasn't going to use it? I'm sure it makes sense to you, but the rest of us wonder what other corrupt ideas he has, oh wait we don't have to wonder, he had to pay back consumers in his school scam, and is barred from any charity organizing, and his main bank is a corrupt Russian money laundering institution.

I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.I.e. you have no real reply that makes sense.


That's what he says and in what logical universe would a guy want to change or repeal an anti bribing law if wasn't going to use it?Could be, but the fact remains that your allegation was incorrect.

I.e. you have no real reply that makes sense.
What you had posted made absolutely no sense! Btw....Aren't you watching tRump's campaign speeches? Didn't you see his national address on the coronavirus last night? The man is falling apart!

“History has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity,” With that he accepted the challenge to take on the Wuhan virus . His address was like an FDR fireside chat reassuring America that he understood what was at stake ,letting us know he is committed to victory . Unlike the Dems he called for
unity and bipartisanship .Lets see if Madam Mim and the Schmuckster are up to the challenge .

“History has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity,” With that he accepted the challenge to take on the Wuhan virus . His address was like an FDR fireside chat reassuring America that he understood what was at stake ,letting us know he is committed to victory . Unlike the Dems he called for
unity and bipartisanship .Lets see if Madam Mim and the Schmuckster are up to the challenge .


He read what someone else had written. He read off a teleprompter (okay, I can go with that) but sounded like one of my third graders who hadn't taken his reading book home the night before so he could review the story assigned. He has avoided dealing with the virus for weeks and finally has been forced to.

This is an actual sentence from Trump. It is basically all one sentence. To say he is “scattered” is an understatement. And for any of you stable geniuses out there who think he is misquoted, included is a link to the video from which it was transcribed.

Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?),
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/user-clip-donald-trump-sentence

Unfortunately Athos, that was but one example of the dufus talking in crazy circles and the last three years are full of such public utterances that only a nut can appreciate. The rest of us are disgusted and rightfully so, and that includes his own sycophants.

Athos: How can you not say that what Trump said was nothing but brilliant? Did you see that length of that sentence? That took genius! Try making a sentence that long and that disjointed, I bet you can not do it!

What you had posted made absolutely no sense! Btw....Aren't you watching tRump's campaign speeches? Didn't you see his national address on the coronavirus last night? The man is falling apart!That's what we used to say in jr. high. "Oh yeah! Well, I might not have had much to say, but neither did you, so there!" Nothing specific, but just statements like, "The man is falling apart!" It would be much better for all the fanatical libs to just admit that they hate Trump and will never approve of anything he does. For me, the economy is doing well and he stands up for the right of unborn children to live. Those two items alone give me reason for hope.

Trump's delivery needs work . Maybe he should practice with a speech coach like every other politician does . I compare it to FDR fireside chats . Remove some of the great ones that everyone remembers like 'Nothing to Fear but fear itself' or his Arsenal of Democracy address ;the content of Trump's address was right up there . Like I said ;he in not as comfortable in his delivery as JFK ,Nixon ,Reagan ,Bubba or the emperor .But it was better than a Ford ,Jimmy C or either of the Bush Presidents .Not terrible for a President who has only made one other short address from the Oval Office .

The temporary halting air travel from Europe was prudent given the increases in the rates of infection in Europe over the last week . With that and the China travel ban the spigot has been closed for possible places of new cases . Now we have to address the cases from sources already in the country . And in that issue ;the US has been better than most countries . We will not come close to having rates of infection like the Europeans or Chinese . So the Dems can play politics all they want to with this outbreak. The country will not buy their argument.

Trump's delivery needs work . Maybe he should practice with a speech coach like every other politician does .

He would have to accept advice for that to work. Oh well.


So the Dems can play politics all they want to with this outbreak. The country will not buy their argument.I'm convinced the dems are genuinely hoping this epidemic gets bad enough that it will work in their political favor.

This is the lunacy which has infected our country much more seriously than any virus. It's the idea that we will just "give" money to people. This is in a period of time when we are already running a trillion dollar deficit annually and have historically low unemployment figures meaning that anyone who wants a job (and is willing to actually work) can get a job, or two jobs, or three jobs. And it comes from a guy who could very easily go out and give a thousand dollars to the next thousand adults he runs into and never miss it which means, of course, that he is the typical liberal democrat.

But if "giving" people money is a good idea, then why not go for two thousand, or ten thousand, or fifty thousand? If it's that simple, then why stop at a thousand?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/geraldo-rivera-give1000-dollars-every-american-coronavirus-economy

This is the lunacy which has infected our country much more seriously than any virus. It's the idea that we will just "give" money to people. This is in a period of time when we are already running a trillion dollar deficit annually.

But if "giving" people money is a good idea, then why not go for two thousand, or ten thousand, or fifty thousand? If it's that simple, then why stop at a thousand?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/geraldo-rivera-give1000-dollars-every-american-coronavirus-economy

That's a great question, why not send me a few grand cash? 10 grand? I deserve it! Rich guys got millions off the credit card!

10 grand? I deserve it!No you don't. You don't deserve one plug nickel of anyone else's money. Rich guys? The ones that pay more than 85% of the income taxes? Those rich guys?

Those rich guys got their piece of the pie, and I deserve mine too. Screw what you're talking about. No surprise I summarily dismiss your opinion as irrelevant to me.

You can do the same if that's what you want...like I care!

Those rich guys got their piece of the pie, and I deserve mine too.Then get off you bxtt and go get it. No one's stopping you, but don't expect the government to borrow even more money and "give" some to you just because you think you deserve it. You don't deserve anything more than what you have. If you want more, then go work for it.

Then get off you bxtt and go get it. No one's stopping you, but don't expect the government to borrow even more money and "give" some to you just because you think you deserve it. You don't deserve anything more than what you have. If you want more, then go work for it.
But tal (or even JL!) has given to the government for years. If he now needs financial help, I won't begrudge it. We're all in this together.

If he now needs financial help, I won't begrudge it.You won't begrudge it as long as the government forces someone other than you to give it. Now that's not exactly how charity is supposed to work. He deserves it? No he doesn't, and neither do you or I. We do not "deserve" for the government to force others to give us money.

why are you worried about government largess? noone else is, is it coming out of your pocket? until you elect someone who is more interested in balancing the budget and reducing the deficit than lining their pockets it is all hot air

No body wants to balance the budget. Clinton did it and he cut deeply into the military to do it, and since then nobody wants to do that. The repub way is cut stuff that helps citizens, but even they recognize that's not enough, and raising taxes is out of the question, so one wonders why conservatives even bother with that balance budget bull crap?

Sell T-Bonds and shut the heck up already with that balanced budget crap.

why are you worried about government largess? noone else is, is it coming out of your pocket?It will be someday. No nation can long survive on borrowed money. At some point inflation will go up (it always does) and when the interest on that borrowed money becomes unsustainable, we are going to have big problems. So I'll work hard to protect the futures of my children and grandchild.


No body wants to balance the budget. Clinton did it and he cut deeply into the military to do it, Welfare reform was passed under Clinton and that helped in curbing spending and achieving a balanced budget. Learn your history. Besides, even if we cut ALL military spending, we would still have a 400 billion dollar deficit. So it's obvious to anyone interested in thinking even a little that cutting defense spending by itself won't even come close to balancing the budget. The problem is that we have become a lazy, stupid, careless nation and we basically don't care about tomorrow as long as we have our Little Debbie snack cakes for today. When someone who actually suggests that we "give" every adult a thousand dollars is still taken seriously, then you know we have gone over the edge. Fifty years ago he would have been denounced on all sides as a reckless, ignorant buffoon, but now he is actually listened to.


Sell T-Bonds and shut the heck up already with that balanced budget crap."Don't exercise any restraint or self-discipline. Step on the gas! Let's go over the cliff as fast as possible!"

You speak of government debts, but just as dangerous to the financial system is personal debts, and corporate debts. More dangerous is lack of access to capital which everybody faces during any economic expansion or EMERGENCIES. Maybe you should educate yourself on the bond market that extends beyond T-bills and affects liquidity in many ways be you a government, corporation, or individual. Individuals spending supports our economy making up roughly 70%, so despite the tax support of the rich for government revenues, the country relies on people for support. Just something to think about when you distribute MO'MONEY to rich folks and none to PO folks. Excluding half the population from the economy is a plan that hurts economic health and stymies growth and promotes DEBT any way you look at it.

How one can expect to win a race on one leg is beyond me, or make a better world built on rich guys is even more bizarre.



Welfare reform was passed under Clinton and that helped in curbing spending and achieving a balanced budget. Learn your history. Besides, even if we cut ALL military spending, we would still have a 400 billion dollar deficit. So it's obvious to anyone interested in thinking even a little that cutting defense spending by itself won't even come close to balancing the budget. The problem is that we have become a lazy, stupid, careless nation and we basically don't care about tomorrow as long as we have our Little Debbie snack cakes for today. When someone who actually suggests that we "give" every adult a thousand dollars is still taken seriously, then you know we have gone over the edge. Fifty years ago he would have been denounced on all sides as a reckless, ignorant buffoon, but now he is actually listened to.


Consider if you will the cost shifting from the feds to the states in administering welfare and apply it to foregoing the bureaucracy of the federal welfare system and just write a free check from treasury to the states. In addition consider the great Clinton economy which started with raising taxes on mainly those rich guys which conservatives are prone to overlook, and the added benefit of NO wars sucking money up like a sponge. It worked great then, but current events call for a whole different approach and given those current events, new adjustments must be made since raising taxes is off the table, wars and conflicts run rampant, and diseases are on the front page making the economy a very fragile thing indeed.

Write the damn check bud, or do you think all those low end wage earners can be unemployed by an economic shutdown due to disease and be okay until we recover?

You speak of government debts, but just as dangerous to the financial system is personal debts, and corporate debts. More dangerous is lack of access to capital which everybody faces during any economic expansion or EMERGENCIES. Maybe you should educate yourself on the bond market that extends beyond T-bills and affects liquidity in many ways be you a government, corporation, or individual. Individuals spending supports our economy making up roughly 70%, so despite the tax support of the rich for government revenues, the country relies on people for support. Just something to think about when you distribute MO'MONEY to rich folks and none to PO folks. Excluding half the population from the economy is a plan that hurts economic health and stymies growth and promotes DEBT any way you look at it.Many words...no real content.


Write the damn check bud, or do you think all those low end wage earners can be unemployed by an economic shutdown due to disease and be okay until we recover?That's the whole problem. No one's writing a check. It's all borrowed money. How many of those "low end wage earners" are you personally helping? How many of them are you willing to cut back your lifestyle for so you can have funds to help them? I think I know the answers to those questions.

Look my friend I'm in no mood to throw rocks at you for your obvious lack of the macro economic factors that make up the economy, nor explain to you the social costs of those factors of which I speak. I'll just leave that alone until your comprehension can grow more clear and nuances are understood. Until then we just deal with it the best we can...okay.

Sorry I meant to say throw boulders at your hard head but I guess I did chunk a rock or two your way but the intransigence of your position leaves me little choice sometimes. I was raised to believe that if you didn't understand something to ask questions, but you seldom do, choosing instead to revert to snark and insult (Rock throwing) to demean the points for whatever reason you disagree with.

The very notion of balancing a budget, or solving a problem is just beyond the pale. How many have I helped, don't know lost count a very long time ago, and just help as I can especially if they ask. I can't just say no and walk away. If you wish to judge me for how many notches on my belt, or awards, and acclaim then so be it, since I have none of those things, nor do I accept them.

Look my friend I'm in no mood to throw rocks at you for your obvious lack of the macro economic factors that make up the economy, nor explain to you the social costs of those factors of which I speak. I'll just leave that alone until your comprehension can grow more clear and nuances are understood. Until then we just deal with it the best we can...okay.No no. Go ahead and explain to us all those "macro economic" factors that make up the economy. Tell us all about it.


The very notion of balancing a budget, or solving a problem is just beyond the pale.What? It might be to you, but the rest of us certainly understand the concept of balancing a budget or solving a problem.

Do your own homework at your own pace, then we can discuss it. Let me clarify my mistatement though, "Balancing the budget, or solving a problem on the backs of the least and needy is beyond the pale!'.

My bad.

I will leave you with this bone to chew on though. (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4285648-corporate-debt-bubble)

AND

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/when-the-us-falls-into-a-recession-a-credit-bubble-will-explode-2019-03-20

Do your own homework at your own pace, then we can discuss it. You'll be happy to know I have already done my homework, so we can discuss it now. As a start, explain the impact of a 23 trillion dollar national debt on our economy.


Let me clarify my mistatement though, "Balancing the budget, or solving a problem on the backs of the least and needy is beyond the pale!'.You think the least and needy have problems now? You just wait and see their situation once the "Talaniman budget plan of borrow and spend" works its way out. Go check out Venezuela to see the disaster that results from such foolishness. Check out Greece. Check out South Africa and Zimbabwe.

You'll be happy to know I have already done my homework, so we can discuss it now. As a start, explain the impact of a 23 trillion dollar national debt on our economy.

Government debt is but one leg of the economic stool, but managing that debt is the far more important part of it. More debt means bigger payments for sure even at the low interest rates. Governments ability to help the economy in a recession is severely compromised though even with the tools to mitigate those losses.


You think the least and needy have problems now? You just wait and see their situation once the "Talaniman budget plan of borrow and spend" works its way out. Go check out Venezuela to see the disaster that results from such foolishness. Check out Greece. Check out South Africa and Zimbabwe.

That's not my plan, just your misguided perception, as you know darn well I have said repeatedly repub deficit funded tax cuts are a HUGE mistake and no doubt will bite us. I added another link to my previous post as those predictions from a year or two ago are coming home to roost possibly sooner and heavier than we thought because of this very real health crisis.

Borrow and spend isn't a bad thing, but the way it's managed is what's important JL, and lets face it our managers are totally incompetent, and corporate managers are greedy beyond sin. Actually I'm grateful for the discussion of this matter, and respect your perspective even if I don't always agree with it, or your rationale for your position.

Homework NEVER stops my friend, at least in my own experience.

darn well I have said repeatedly repub deficit funded tax cutsAnd you know darn well that's not true. The tax cut amounts to about 200 bil a year. The deficit is 1,000 bil. Those tax cuts did not cause this deficit. In fact, fed tax revenues have continued to rise.


Borrow and spend isn't a bad thing, but the way it's managed is what's important JL, and lets face it our managers are totally incompetent, and corporate managers are greedy beyond sin.What do you mean when you say, "our managers are totally incompetent"? Which managers?

Corporate managers of course want to increase profit. That's why they run the business.

And you know darn well that's not true. The tax cut amounts to about 200 bil a year. The deficit is 1,000 bil. Those tax cuts did not cause this deficit. In fact, fed tax revenues have continued to rise.

Use your logic, this tax cut added to an already high debt, didn't it, accumulated over years and many administrations for whatever the reason. While revenues are up now, mostly because the economy is good, and low unemployment, and all is well, this health crisis is definitely a contractionary force, exacerbated by trade wars, oil wars, and CORPORATE DEBTS, exposing weaknesses in the economy that cannot be mitigated with just lowering already low interest rates, that you cannot just cut your way out of. Simply put the reduced revenues globally, and nationally from interrupted economic activity doesn't bode well for the debt of which even after tax cuts will destroy those revenue streams already established, and back to the bank we go for MO'Money, more debt. As you said we cannot tax our way out of it, nor can we cut our way out of it.


What do you mean when you say, "our managers are totally incompetent"? Which managers?

Letting corporations through lobbyist, write your regulations and laws that benefit them is a sign of incompetence.


Corporate managers of course want to increase profit. That's why they run the business.

You read the links(?), you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea? you learned nothing from past bubbles when the burst did you?

Use your logic, this tax cut added to an already high debt, didn't it, accumulated over years and many administrations for whatever the reason. While revenues are up now, mostly because the economy is good, and low unemployment, and all is well, this health crisis is definitely a contractionary force, exacerbated by trade wars, oil wars, and CORPORATE DEBTS,You were actually doing fairly well until you let your prejudices show through in talking about corporate debt. Specifically, which corporate debts are you talking about?


Letting corporations through lobbyist, write your regulations and laws that benefit them is a sign of incompetence.If that was true, then it would be a good argument for you.


You read the links(?), you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea? you learned nothing from past bubbles when the burst did you?Which bubbles are you referring to which were destroyed by junk bonds?

you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea?
absolutely !!! and we can thank Michael Milken for the creation of the junk bond ;a bigger contribution to banking than the ATM .


AMC Entertainment, Bally's Manufacturing, Barnes & Noble, Beatrice, Caesars World, Calvin Klein, Chiquita Brands Int'l, Danaher, Duracell, Filene's Basement, GAF Corp., General Host Corp., Kay Jewelers, Knoll Int'l, MCI, Mellon Bank, Philadelphia Electric, Playtex, Sunshine Mining KB Homes,

Viacom, Time Warner, Cablevision, Telemundo , Metromedia Toys-R-Us, Mattel, Hasbro Hilton, Days Inn, Holiday Inn, MGM s: 7-11 (Southland Corp.) Circle K. Medco and Humana ,
Uniroyal Goodrich.
….these are just some of the companies financed by Michael Milken .



Safeway is a company with 200,000 employees in almost 1,800 stores Those employees can thank Milken for helping build the company that provides their paychecks. His financing was crucial to Chrysler

Cellphones are in just about everyone's pocket today. The industry started in the early 1980s when Milken financed a small company called McCaw Cellular Communications.

They put him away on some BS insider trading change that no one understands .Instead of having a statue of him ,he served 2 years in jail.
Since his release from prison, Milken has funded medical research.Trump recently pardoned him .
You tell me how new start up companies can get seed money to challenge the giants of their industry ......junk bonds baby !!! When Ted Turner had this crazy idea to show news on television 24-7 .How was that financed ?

Well there is no arguing with conservative logic that Mo'Money is okay no matter who gets screwed. (https://www.thebalance.com/what-are-junk-bonds-pros-cons-ratings-3305606) Bilk a bunch of folks out of millions go to jail and be a hero unjustly prosecuted by Guiliani no less. I guess we should have left Berie Maddoff alone too. We know how this goes with those smart rich guys, when the economy is great they have all sorts of tricks and traps but when the economy contracts which it has been known to everything goes south and who gets holding the bag? Yup! everybody but the rich guy. Cry me a river about white collar criminals that get caught, slapped on the wrist, and keep on trucking.

We forget about all the little guys who get laid off when the business cycle adjusts to economic situations like the current health crisis trade wars and oil wars. Glitches to them and who cares about the little guys at the low end who lose it all.

Conservatives don't! The funny part is rich guys get all kinds of help from our government in loans and subsidies but a poor guy can barely feed his family and gets labeled a dependent of liberal programs that's a waste. Corporate welfare good, Government welfare bad!

Of course we never discuss the unintended consequences of rich guy behavior until they tank the economy. Conservatives rail against the poor everyday, all the time.

you would have us in a world where the only news source was NPR

Conservatives rail against the poor everyday, all the time.Really? Tell us when that has happened.

Really? Tell us when that has happened.

What part of everyday is it you don't understand?

What part of everyday is it you don't understand?Be specific..if you can.

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See how easy it is to ignore your utterly ridicules question?

You know, all this Coronavirus crap wouldn't be happening today if not for the back and forth transit of communist Chinese and people coming and going to Red China: The price of doing business with these bastards? Financing the growth of the enemy.

Maybe OUR greedy bastard U.S. companies that chased communist slave labor to Red China will rethink their supply chains.....but I bet their greed won't let them.

So I ask for instances of conservatives putting down poor people and you respond with a boatload of cartoons? As I said, you plainly don't have any.

I think it would still happen since global travel has made darn near everybody sick. We still don't know how many here yet, but it's a lot and growing.

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So I ask for instances of conservatives putting down poor people and you respond with a boatload of cartoons? As I said, you plainly don't have any.

Don't care to share because that's obviously too much typing. Like listing the dufus lies. Same difference but no less true!

You know, all this Coronavirus crap wouldn't be happening today if not for the back and forth transit of communist Chinese and people coming and going to Red China: The price of doing business with these bastards? Financing the growth of the enemy.
Mention that to Ivanka.

Don't care to share because that's obviously too much typing. Like listing the dufus lies. Same difference but no less true!As usual, you don't have the slightest idea. Just the usual evasive answer.

Mention that to Ivanka.

And the rest of the business community, including Google.

W.G. and Talaniman: I REALLY DO NOT CARE who the perpetrators are on OUR SIDE in the ChiCom business relationships, whether they be Ivanka or any other U.S. corporation: Anyone who chases slave labor down around the globe should be called out....its disgusting in an of itself. But what makes this even worse is that Red China is an avowed enemy of the U.S. and that makes it one hell of a lot worse.

Vac, something interesting to consider. With unemployment at record lows, then even if we did bring back 10 million jobs from China to the United States, who would fill them?

Vac, something interesting to consider. With unemployment at record lows, then even if we did bring back 10 million jobs from China to the United States, who would fill them?

You have to ask, all those hispanics waiting at the border of course

Vac, something interesting to consider. With unemployment at record lows, then even if we did bring back 10 million jobs from China to the United States, who would fill them?

Great question, and while big biz has said they need 6M qualified people to fill job openings, they are looking overseas instead of qualifying and promoting their own in house, and just hiring lower level employees.

I really think THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TRADE FOR THE U.S.! I would absolutely love to replace a 10 million load of godless ChiComs for a 10 million person exchange of Hispanics ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! And would do that with open arms!

Plus, how do we know its 10 million jobs: ChiCom work output is not 1:1 with U.S. workers! Not by a long shot! If you told me "South Korean worker", well, their outputs are more comparable to U.S. worker production outputs.

An initiative of pulling back from Red China is something that could UNITE THIS COUNTRY across all political stripes! And, I could see Labor Unions putting their shoulders behind such an effort.

At any rate, by hook or by crook, we need to work diligently to divorce ourselves from ties with the Authoritarian Red Chinese!

I don't blame greedy American business types who drool over the possible profits from a market of billions of new customers but I do object to the hypocrisy of these trade deals, and partnerships with China and then hollering foul while they keep doing them. The dufus approach is no better at all since him and his family already have a deal in place. So did the farmers. He stomped all over on that deal without asking farmers a damn thing before he did it. It was as ham handed as the New NAFTA deal, which thankfully the congress got involved in. While it was an upgrade rather than a new deal, it's been in the works for a long time.

Talaniman: I have always give a nod to American based businesses....but, if those same American based businesses decide that $$$s mean more than the welfare of the U.S., well they can go straight to hell, IMHO.

Every American ought to be madder than hell about the hows and whys of this virus' introduction that is now leashed upon us: Its nothing more than greed! These companies of our flying back and forth to Red China, making them stronger and US weaker, played a large part in carting this pestilence upon us. If greedy arses hadn't given Red China "Favored Nation Trading Status" years ago, we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this virus now.

That may be a bit simplistic given the tourist trade between us and China, to blame the business dudes for the virus, but an American business may be at a disadvantage dealing with a country where the lines between business and government is blurred beyond recognition, to us any way. Every time they get in a snit they cost us money as they did when a coach insulted them a while back. (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/china-nba-dispute-us-policy-engagement-without-preconditions/) The NBA should have just said screw you then. Or Chinese Microsoft workers that jumped off the building often enough because of working conditions, a net was built around the building. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides)

To be fair though such culture clashes are expected but Big Biz does no good by capitulation in the long run. While the dufus rattles as good a saber as anybody, playing by Chinese rules does him or us no favors.

Talaniman: You were "PERFECT" with your comments! Could not agree more.

playing by Chinese rules does him no favors.

where do you get the idea he is playing by chinese rules?

Simple fact he goes in with a big stick and bluster and shoots for a quick deal like the lone ranger instead of leveraging his partners around him. Brute force will never work against the Chinese and is costing our side a lot more than his. China has many other options as far as trade goes on the products they are not buying from us and have used those options to stymy the dufus strategy, wiping out decades of trade gains forcing us to pay the price for this trade war.

I shake my head in disbelief . I am as much as a free trader as anyone . But the Chinese have proven beyond a doubt that they are dangerous unreliable partners in trade . Trump was well ahead of the curve . We have to at a minimum move all strategic trade out of that country at the earliest possible time .The rest of American business has to be put on notice that they deal with the Chinese at their own risk . It is not just Wuhan flu . They have poisoned us and our children for years exporting pentenyl and pentenyl contaminate products into out country . They have destgroyed the supply chain to the world economy and should pay a heavy price for their criminal malfeasance . As far as I am concerned Xi is an international criminal who should have his A$$ hauled into the court in Hague to account for the hundreds of thousands of deaths ,if not millions he will have caused by the end of this crisis

xenophobia, would you say this is the epicentre had been Europe, not China. China has successfully modernised, particularly in manufacturing and US multinationalism has taken advantage of this, but they have put all their eggs in one basket and are now paying the price. You have pulled back from your allies in favour of China

China has successfully modernised



uh huh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rzgO9S5SM

yes no empty shelves there

a lot of disease there

uh huh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rzgO9S5SM

That was totally disgusting and is a disaster waiting to happen...oh wait it has happened. I still blame Big Biz though for getting us in this mess, though I can see the need to bring these folks closer to civilization and normal business dealings, but a fool can see they might not be ready for prime time yet.

That was totally disgusting and is a disaster waiting to happen...oh wait it has happened. I still blame Big Biz though for getting us in this mess, though I can see the need to bring these folks closer to civilization and normal business dealings, but a fool can see they might not be ready for prime time yet.

you forget they have been a civilisation for two thousand years and they survive and thrive. it doesn't do them as much harm as we think and a few thousand deaths is nothing to them, besides they keep down the population of the creepy crawlies

Forgive my western big city sensibilities Clete, and I suppose the veneer of Chinese and Indian civilizations among other nations, of the world bellies what real populations do to survive. I guess eating what's available is a part of every country. I was raised on Kroger's even in the boonies, but I guess if rats and bats and dogs and cats was all I had, I would probably eat them too! I guess I'm grateful for where God put me and how he has provided and shouldn't judge.

Still looks nasty to me!

Like I have said before: The U.S. got rid of SLAVERY in 1865.....yet, we have chased SLAVE labor around the globe for a long time.....is that O.K.? Is it O.K. that by chasing this SLAVE labor to Red China and empowering our enemy WHO JUST ATTACKED US WITH A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON we are able to get cheap products? WE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!

It's not slave labor when you are paying the person for their work.

It's not slave labor when you are paying the person for their work.

It is if your workers need public assistance to survive. It is if your profit depend on cheap labor because your competing with 3rd world countries. It is when half the country can't afford rent, heating and food without assistance, and the other half can trade stocks and bonds all day long.

Darn shame that a guy who has 3 jobs loses all 3 of them and won't find another one so his kids can have a cheap laptop to keep up with his school work from home let alone toilet paper, and JL says too bad. Find another job or 3 if you need 'em.

That don't sound rather crazy to you given today's reality?

It is if your workers need public assistance to survive. It is if your profit depend on cheap labor because your competing with 3rd world countries. It is when half the country can't afford rent, heating and food without assistance, and the other half can trade stocks and bonds all day long.No, it's not. Slave labor is performed by...unpaid slaves. And your point about half the country can't afford utilities and food might be important if it was true. Alas, it is not.


Darn shame that a guy who has 3 jobs loses all 3 of them and won't find another one so his kids can have a cheap laptop to keep up with his school work from home let alone toilet paper, and JL says too bad. Find another job or 3 if you need 'em.What would have been wrong with buying a 200 dollar Chromebook when he had the three jobs? I get your point about poor people. I know there are folks out there who are in financial straits, but they are a very small minority. Most people have large televisions, eat pizzas, and own cell phones and microwaves, so they can get a Chromebook if needed. We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.

The definition of slavery has changed since it's illegal to chain and beat another human and FORCE him to work for you, but we have the term working poor that have jobs, but qualify for assistance. I think the speed and depth of things will catch a lot of people unawares and off guard. I would imagine that as while you may have a laptop, paying your internet/wifi bill could be an issue as many are forced to adjust and downsize. Not something that's an easy thing at all to go from a great/good/okay/low end job to no job in a month is it?

We're talking millions here across the nation maybe more.



We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.


Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more fed money than it contributes (https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#main-findings). Maybe you start with your own state and lead by example.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-dependent-on-federal-government.html/

The definition of slavery has changed since it's illegal to chain and beat another human and FORCE him to work for you,Go over to Somalia and tell them. Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world.


but we have the term working poor that have jobs, but qualify for assistance. I think the speed and depth of things will catch a lot of people unawares and off guard. I would imagine that as while you may have a laptop, paying your internet/wifi bill could be an issue as many are forced to adjust and downsize. Not something that's an easy thing at all to go from a great/good/okay/low end job to no job in a month is it?Those are legitimate points, but we are doing a terrible job of teaching people to be self sufficient and to understand that tough times come around and you need to be prepared for it. It's one thing to be laid up from an accident for a year. It's an entirely different matter for a person to live his/her entire life in blissful ignorance of taking care of his/her own needs and not being dependent on someone else. When that person gets to a time like this, he is completely unprepared in every possible way to do anything more than trust in the high and mighty federal government. It used to be considered disgraceful to live that way, but now it's accepted and even encouraged by liberal dems.



We need to learn to take care of our own needs rather than counting on our government to forcefully take money from someone else to give to us.

Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more fed money than it contributes (https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#main-findings). Maybe you start with your own state and lead by example.I can't help it that the stupid fed government does that. You know full well that if it was up to me, a LOT of fed spending would be stopped and that would include much of what goes on in our state.

Current events as I see it may overwhelm a vast majority no matter how prepared you think you are, with some being better prepared than others for sure. Recovery can take as long as preparations, with smaller crisis's along the way. Stupid as our government may be it's still ours and guess who can fix it? Maybe that takes a while, so be patient and pass the popcorn why dontcha.

We just have to stay with it JL no matter what.

jlisenbe: I am talking about U.S. Corporations hauling arse across the Pacific to seek out SLAVE LABOR of the ChiComs.....and I am not talking about the 2%ers over there that are commi-Party members, I am talking about the other 98%ers that are trying to survive and work for pennies on the dollar....and you can say its not SLAVE LABOR because they get paid but I can't and you can't verify that ALL of these products are made by non-SLAVES, unless you are willing to take the ChiComs' word for it....I, personally, will never believe a single word ANY communist ever says to me. You can call it what you wish but when a U.S. based company hauls arse to get its widgets made by ChiComs INSTEAD of paying U.S. WORKERS, that company is chasing SLAVE LABOR.

jlisenbe: I am talking about U.S. Corporations hauling arse across the Pacific to seek out SLAVE LABOR of the ChiComs.....and I am not talking about the 2%ers over there that are commi-Party members, I am talking about the other 98%ers that are trying to survive and work for pennies on the dollar....and you can say its not SLAVE LABOR because they get paid but I can't and you can't verify that ALL of these products are made by non-SLAVES, unless you are willing to take the ChiComs' word for it....I, personally, will never believe a single word ANY communist ever says to me. You can call it what you wish but when a U.S. based company hauls arse to get its widgets made by ChiComs INSTEAD of paying U.S. WORKERS, that company is chasing SLAVE LABOR.

well of course you are right, but you want to inflict your flawed morality on others. Look to your own to find slave labour, people working for minimum wage, migrants taking anything they can get. Yours is not the fair society you espouse and would inflict on others. I personally believe all american corporations should be prohibited from leaving the country. let them licence their products for manufacture in other places with strict non export clauses

Look to your own to find slave labour, people working for minimum wage, migrants taking anything they can get. Yours is not the fair society you espouse and would inflict on others.2% of the country works for min wage, and many of them are teens or people working entry level jobs. Oh Lawdy! What a catastrophe! If you are saying there is slave labor in the U.S, then you're living in the same fantasy world that Tal sometimes lives in. Migrants take anything they can get? What can they get in Mexico? Why are they coming here if their home country is so wonderful and fair?

You might want to know what you're talking about before you start passing judgement on our country. We are certainly not perfect, but I'll take the U.S. over Australia any day of the week. That's not a knock on your country, but you have a pretty easy time of it. You defend yourselves and basically no one else. Much of the world depends on us for help. I wish we'd learn to say "no", but it is something to consider.


I personally believe all american corporations should be prohibited from leaving the country. let them licence their products for manufacture in other places with strict non export clausesThat does sound like a good idea, but I don't think international trade treaties allow it.

2% of the country works for min wage, and many of them are teens or people working entry level jobs. Oh Lawdy! What a catastrophe! If you are saying there is slave labor in the U.S, then you're living in the same fantasy world that Tal sometimes lives in. Migrants take anything they can get? What can they get in Mexico? Why are they coming here if their home country is so wonderful and fair?

You might want to know what you're talking about before you start passing judgement on our country. We are certainly not perfect, but I'll take the U.S. over Australia any day of the week. That's not a knock on your country, but you have a pretty easy time of it. You defend yourselves and basically no one else. Much of the world depends on us for help. I wish we'd learn to say "no", but it is something to consider.

That does sound like a good idea, but I don't think international trade treaties allow it.

Oh you of little knowledge, Who was it who liberated East Timor, where was the US, who put forces into Vanuatu, who has stood at the US side in all major conflicts, you say we do nothing but we have done far more than we needed to. Our peace keepers have been deployed around the world, our forces fought in Europe in WWI and WWII while the US sat back and reaped war profits so don't talk of how great your nation is, you had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WWII

Who was it who liberated East TimorOh yes. The famous liberation of East Timor. What a brilliant military campaign. Small, small potatoes. As to the past, that's fair enough, but I'm talking about right now. What have you done over the past ten years? You must certainly did NOT fight in Europe in WW2 while we sat around counting our money. It was only after the U.S. led invasions of Italy, Normandy, and south France that the war in Europe was taken against Germany. If not for the U.S. navy, you wouldn't have even gotten troops to the battles. A simple "thank you" would be nice.

Oh yes. The famous liberation of East Timor. What a brilliant military campaign. Small, small potatoes. As to the past, that's fair enough, but I'm talking about right now. What have you done over the past ten years? You must certainly did NOT fight in Europe in WW2 while we sat around counting our money. It was only after the U.S. led invasions of Italy, Normandy, and south France that the war in Europe was taken against Germany. If not for the U.S. navy, you wouldn't have even gotten troops to the battles. A simple "thank you" would be nice.

What are you talking about, again you know nothing, we fought in Greece, in Crete, in North Africa and took on Rommel with UK while you sat at home, our pilots fought in the Battle of Britain. The US navy did not protect our shipping in the Indian Ocean. We fought the japs in Malaya with not a US warship in sight, so as to thank you, remember who fought and died beside you. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe you did not win WWII alone

jlisenbe & Paraclete: If and when the sh&t hits the fan, I think we can count on the Australians to be on the side of the U.S.....they just aren't going to participate in the "adventures" we have been involved in, namely Iraq and Syria....and, speaking of which, and hindsight being 20/20, we probably should not have been in Iraq, either beings IT COST OVER A TRILLION $$$s!

We are a Germanic language speaking nation and we are connected to England and Australia in a way that binds like no other national connection can or will ever develop: its almost a DNA thing. Got no doubt that the Aussies will rise to the occasion, particularly if it is dire.

What are you talking about, again you know nothing, we fought in Greece, in Crete, in North Africa and took on Rommel with UK while you sat at home, our pilots fought in the Battle of Britain. The US navy did not protect our shipping in the Indian Ocean. We fought the japs in Malaya with not a US warship in sight, so as to thank you, remember who fought and died beside you. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe you did not win WWII aloneFair enough, but the only action you took in Europe prior to our involvement was largely retreating. The point is that at present you take care of yourself and that's about it. If we had not entered the war, you would have been squashed.

That you would even think of bringing up a very minor action such as East Timor just shows how little you guys have done the past twenty years. I'm not being critical of you. Like most Americans, I admire Australia, but I do get tired of your endless, mindless criticism of the U.S. If not for us, the Soviets would be running things now. Either that, or you'd be speaking Japanese.

The only reason ANY NATION IN THE WORLD ENJOYS ANY FREEDOM is because the United States EXISTS! Now, that is a fact!

The only reason ANY NATION IN THE WORLD ENJOYS ANY FREEDOM is because the United States EXISTS! Now, that is a fact!

The only reason any nation in the world suffers war today is because the US exists, now that is a fact

Fair enough, but the only action you took in Europe prior to our involvement was largely retreating. The point is that at present you take care of yourself and that's about it. If we had not entered the war, you would have been squashed.

That you would even think of bringing up a very minor action such as East Timor just shows how little you guys have done the past twenty years. I'm not being critical of you. Like most Americans, I admire Australia, but I do get tired of your endless, mindless criticism of the U.S. If not for us, the Soviets would be running things now. Either that, or you'd be speaking Japanese.

You would not have won WWII without Russia if the eastern front did not exist Germany would have repulsed you from Europe so get off the hype and realise WWII was a joint effort and we were with you in Iraq and Afghanistan probably against our better judgement so as to the last twenty years
and the century before that we have been there. My criticism of the US is because of your foreign policy, which is aggressive and unnecessarily violent. We are the greatest doesn't get any salutes here. What have you done lately?

Paraclete: Come on, now: There would be A LOT MORE WAR if the U.S. was not around!

You would not have won WWII without Russia if the eastern front did not exist Germany would have repulsed you from Europe so get off the hype and realise WWII was a joint effort and we were with you in Iraq and Afghanistan probably against our better judgement so as to the last twenty yearsand the century before thatIt was a joint effort. That part is true. You would have been squashed without us. That part is also true.


My criticism of the US is because of your foreign policy, which is aggressive and unnecessarily violent. We are the greatest doesn't get any salutes here. What have you done lately?When your Twin Towers (that you, of course, don't have) are taken down, then you can talk about it. We probably overreacted, but I don't regret our actions against the terrorists. It was well warranted. I'd like to see us pull back, but if we are waiting on the European nations and others (like you) to step in and do more than token actions, then we'll be waiting a long time. There is a part of me that would love to see us pull back from all of our commitments and let the world go to hell in a hand basket. People like you would be singing a different tune.

Way to rattle your sabers, like the arrogant prick dufus. Who cares about yesterdays history, and the what ifs and if not for's of days past? None of us here now was there, so let's lose the glory talk built on the blood and sacrifice of past heroes who died and sacrificed so you could beat your own drum, and blow your horns about a greatness you have yet to realize in the reality of now. I suppose it's just human nature to hide ones fear on the back of remember when instead of get busy now.

Our elders found a way to get it done now it's our turn to get it done.

Our elders found a way to get it done now it's our turn to get it done.

Good point, Tal, I sick of been told the US is the saviour of the world, as if noone else does anything. Even in this event we have been to the forefront, identifying drugs that can beat the CV19.

I sick of been told the US is the saviour of the world, as if noone else does anything.Like I said, it is so tempting to just back off and defend fortress America so ungrateful and arrogant people could find out what life would be like without the U.S.

Well here's a thougt, three candidates for President, two demonrats and one other are of a vulnerable age so will CV be the victor afterall

Like I said, it is so tempting to just back off and defend fortress America so ungrateful and arrogant people could find out what life would be like without the U.S.

We seemed to be perfectly happy to kiss Hitler's butt, and sell stuff to Euros on both sides before we were ourselves attacked.

We seemed to be perfectly happy to kiss Hitler's butt, and sell stuff to Euros on both sides before we were ourselves attacked.


We were initially neutral, even though we were giving Britain a LOT of help and doing nothing to help Germany. After we were attacked we entered the war. In doing so we completely reversed the course of the war and kept the world from being under the domination of Nazi Germany or the USSR (depending on who won) and Japan. Sounds like a good deal to me. You agree?

All except the part we played with our multinationals that funded the rise of Hitler in the first place.

All except the part we played with our multinationals that funded the rise of Hitler in the first place.What part was that? And I hope you don't respond with your usual, "It's just too much work for me to describe it. I know it all but I'm just too tired to press the keys to type it. Go do the research and then it will all become clear to you."

The multinationals dealing with Germany capitulated to their economic demands that funded Hitler. From GM, IBM, and the movie industry. While the Nazis were kick the jews off the boards of companies, they went along with it for years even after he started taking over other countries.

What "economic demands" are you talking about?

Keep the money in Germany and contribute to the rearmament effort, and fire the Jews.

Keep the money in Germany and contribute to the rearmament effort, and fire the Jews.I looked that up. It seems to come from a single book written about IBM only. IBM, of course, denies the bulk of the allegations. It seems to be speculation at best. At any rate, the government of the United States was not the participant and that was our topic. When you look at the enormous cost to our country of lives and money, then I think that incident, deplorable if true, pales alongside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

I found several different sources here are a couple.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/major-brands-nazi-collaborators

https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-american-companies-that-aided-the-nazis.php

Where do you suppose those sites got their information? At any rate, it makes no difference. The U.S. govt is not responsible for what a stray company or two does.

I don't think you can consider those companies on the list as a stray company or two, to many of them for that, and these were big companies doing business all over the world. To make a buck they helped a monster, and the world paid a terrible price for the way they were allowed to do business. If ever big biz needed a government intervention, that would be it. So saving the world is reduced to just correcting a situation we helped create. If that's anybody's idea of free enterprise then you can keep it.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your analysis. I don't think there is a lot of proof for it, but even if I agreed, it was your sainted dem pres Roosevelt that allowed all of that to go on. To suggest that we played a major role in the development of Hitler's Germany would be a gross exaggeration. To say that we played THE major role in defeating it would be just about right.

It's really OK to be proud of your country. We have done a lot of things well, and we have corrected many of our mistakes. Now, however, things have changed for the worse.

Now, however, things have changed for the worse.

How perceptive of you to notice, obviously Trump cannot reverse the trend by using rhetoric, so now he uses stimulus all the time wondering whether his businesses will benefit

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your analysis. I don't think there is a lot of proof for it, but even if I agreed, it was your sainted dem pres Roosevelt that allowed all of that to go on. To suggest that we played a major role in the development of Hitler's Germany would be a gross exaggeration. To say that we played THE major role in defeating it would be just about right.

It's really OK to be proud of your country. We have done a lot of things well, and we have corrected many of our mistakes. Now, however, things have changed for the worse.

From what I can tell, there were tariffs and trade wars even then by our government, because of the German military action, though big biz found ways around them, so a disconnect between the two entities is quite evident, which gives us a more accurate picture of that period in time. Sure it's okay to be proud of ones country and celebrate the good things accomplished, but let's not play dufus and take all the credit since we were but one force, the largest, but certainly not the ONLY force against Hitler. It was a collective sustained effort that brought Hitler down.

I think we have to temper our bragging about WW2 as now, we have hardly been the conquering heroes in other military endeavors. Haven't you noticed the challenges get bigger and more complex? Of course things have gotten worse. Or have we ourselves that have gotten worse?

How perceptive of you to notice, obviously Trump cannot reverse the trend by using rhetoric, so now he uses stimulus all the time wondering whether his businesses will benefit We have to stop that stupid perception . The man has cost himself a fortune by becoming President . His brand has been destroyed . The buildings that used to feature his name here in NY ;his base of operations ,have all changed their name to disassociate with him .

I disagree with most of the stimulus being proposed . But in this case there is a difference . Government decree has in large part been responsible for the financial peril many companies and individuals find themselves in today . I don't disagree with the policies of containing the spread of the virus per se because we just don't know how bad it can get . But ,unfortunately ,it is the responsibility of the government to provide some relief and to help getting the economy going again.

The good news is that this is different than 2008 . The financial institutions are in good shape . When this is over ;the pent up demand of the consumer will help the economy quickly rebound .

I'm not sure if a 2 trillion dollar bailout is the way to go right now at this early stage but making sure people can eat and stay warm during a health induced shutdown is a good priority. Not having a paycheck and not knowing when you will see one is a working mans nightmare. For how long is a corporate nightmare.

I don't think concerns over what big biz will do is a stupid perception nor conditional help is out of the question rather than just throwing a bunch of money we ain't got out the window and hoping people do the right thing. Corporations are people too, and have proved to be as flawed as the rest of us. How many times must I quote the great King Reagan "Trust but verify" before conservatives and capitalists listen?

We have Sandinista Bill running around like chicken little saying that martial law should be declared and that Trump should use his Presidential powers to do a fascist taker over of American businesses. So far Trump has resisted such impulses and it appears corporate America is stepping up to the plate and retooling where possible to provide the goods demanded .

Really I am amused listening to the Dems calling for Trump to take extraordinary powers. Just a couple months ago their biggest fear was presidential dictatorial over reach .

And while I am on the subject ;the latest garbage being spewed is that assessments were available in January that this virus would be a problem . Of course now the critique is that Trump did not act fast enough ... a completely bogus charge .

Let's review . What was happening in this country in November ,December ,January, early February ? It was impeach and convict 24-7 . While Trump was placing travel bans from China and creating the task force , Pelosi was handing out impeachment pens . Can you imagine if Trump had proposed in January any of the restrictions we are subject to today ? At a very minimum he would've been accused of wagging the dog during the impeachment hearings . I know that as a fact because the blond hair blue eyed native American ,and the compliant press accused him of wagging the dog when he had General Salami wacked.

Naw you don't get to make excuses for the dufus being more concerned about his job to actually be doing his job. Nothing stopped him from bringing this to the American public from the bully pulpit rather than blasting the dems for coming after him.

Just my 2 cents while recognizing the health crisis is a huge event leaving it to states and their limited resources is an abrogation of responsibility at this point in the process, and waiting for big biz to volunteer is dropping the ball. I know the dufus is damned if he do, and damned if he don't, just like every other president!

btw , this morning the futures fell 5% on the news that the Dems are stalling the bill in the Senate .

Who cares what the markets do? It's been reported that the Repub bill favors big biz 2 to one over the citizen who may well have to face the first of the month with no rent money while corporations are flush, or should be. ​

Who cares what the markets do?Good grief. What a comment.

Good grief. What a comment.

How so?

Who cares what the markets do? Anyone with investments, or who is on a retirement income, or who cares about the economy, or who remembers the Great Depression. You know, people like them who know enough to care about important matters.

Who cares what the markets do? Anyone with investments, or who is on a retirement income, or who cares about the economy, or who remembers the Great Depression. You know, people like them who know enough to care about important matters.

When I want to gamble I go to a casino, and like any casino the HOUSE always wins even while some hit for the big bucks. Why is the market even falling do you know? Seems you should.

Why is the market even falling do you know? Seems you should.The market is falling for the same reason it always falls. Pessimism about the future. Investing is not gambling. It is the only way I know of to see your money grow faster than the rate of inflation. Put your money in the bank...watch it shrink in relative value every day.

Markets will rebound when the crisis is over.

"Who cares what the markets do?"

Just saying

Have a great day. Are you guys pretty much staying in the house?

Of course, but keeping supplies stocked is an issue.

I am in an essential business

Being bored is an issue.

you always have the opportunity to argue here, what has changed?

you always have the opportunity to argue here, what has changed?Tal and I are back to being brothers so that's not an option right now. WG seems to be back in one of her quiet times. Yawn!!

yes Yawn indeed

We never stop being brothers (And sister) Clete, even as we "fight". Sibling fight all the time don't they? It's still all good.

ok friend

States are moving there primaries back a few months during the coronacrisis, and candidates are holding virtual townhalls for their campaigns. Hope we don't cancel the elections in November because we are still to sick to vote.

could be ,the Aussies got it in the middle of summer . So maybe this covid version is more hearty . https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90586693_2864016843676792_8242509142623780864_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQlkdZ4gZMdp5JNXaoLvMeYRBgIH4v8LVJK-f-E0p-j53WF2xj6jdNoPq1uA3u0d50U&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=d6d1e354e29bfd72f1ce4e497f324e9d&oe=5EA0FAA2

could be ,the Aussies got it in the middle of summer . So maybe this covid version is more hearty .


I don't think it is seasonal, although the Chinese experience may be instructional. What we have experienced doesn't seem to be as deadly with only a small number of deaths so far but then with 2,300 infections it hasn't infected a large percentage of the population, the outcome , as far as the effect on the economy goes, is far more deadly. Stimulus beyond reason, shutdowns beyond reason

what has emerged is the deadliest place to be is a cruiseship

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-why-the-rise-in-new-cases-is-good-news/news-story/84e9c4f9d36cb60355e7b5c664e65080

Stimulus beyond reason, shutdowns beyond reasonCorrect and correct.

I don't see the gobs of money being appropriated as a stimulus. It's more a maintenance plug to keep some semblence of stability as we shut stuff down to deal with an easily transmitted virus. If our response to the virus is tepid and half a$$ed, then we have no chance to avoid a full blown disaster.

Entering into an economic depression would also qualify as a full-blown disaster.

Rising infection rates is NOT?

If you destroy the economy, then how will the sick be helped??? Who will be able to help them?

What an interesting conundrum send people to work, more get sicker, and no room for them in a hospital. Does that help the economy? Would you also recommend we work through a tsunamis? You may as well wrap your head around we have a force assaulting us NOW! That's what we have as a priority, as we have built great economies before following financial disasters.

The virus is destroying the economy so that's what we deal with, or there may be no economy.

The question remains unanswered. If you destroy the economy, then how will the sick be helped??? Who will be able to help them?

People aren't destroying the economy, the virus is was my answer. What kind of economy would we have with half of us sick and dying? Staying home slows the spread, going to work accelerates it so what should you do?

Be selective.

Please explain.

As the ability to test and selectively quarantine expands, then the ability to open up the economy will also expand. It helps a lot when you can be sure that someone does NOT have the virus.

As the ability to test and selectively quarantine expands, then the ability to open up the economy will also expand. It helps a lot when you can be sure that someone does NOT have the virus.

I mostly agree, as long as the tests results support what can be expanded or opened. The economy isn't dead, and essentials are still functional if not as robust.