If you cannot or ARE NOT WILLING to seal your borders, a Pandemic cannot be stopped short of entering your country.

wonder how many Dems think travel restrictions are "racist" now ?

It's going to be interesting when libs begin to get sick to see how they figure out a way to blame Trump for not sealing our southern border.

I already blame the dufus for dismantling the scientists in charge of dealing with such diseases. You knew there were no safety protocols when the sent two planes to bring Americans home from China each had both healthy and infected folks on the same plane. I mean like DUH! Yes folks the State Department was the lead on that instead of SCIENTISTS, as well as the folks from the cruise ship. Sure we are in good hands with the dufus administration, what could go wrong? You still worried about immigrants? You better worry about your local hospital being ready, you know just in case.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/898798/turkish-official-airstrike-syria-kills-29-turkish-soldiers

Plus the dufus said it would just disappear soon, so why worry?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/trump-coronavirus-disappear/index.html

Some people say it would be racist to deny entry to the U.S. of people from Red China....it would be XENOPHOBIC.....Today is an age where even viruses have Civil Rights.

Some people say it would be racist to deny entry to the U.S. of people from Red China....it would be XENOPHOBIC.....Today is an age where even viruses have Civil Rights.
It's already here. Brace yourself for Armageddon. Will you be raptured?

It is not up to me, W.G.: We all will be judged....it is out of our hands....this is called FAITH.

I always was a hope for the best but plan for the worst type of person. I think this crisis gets worse before it gets better. Everybody else has shut stuff down and told people to stay home while the health systems get overwhelmed and we probably will face the same decisions.

I always was a hope for the best but plan for the worst type of person. I think this crisis gets worse before it gets better. Everybody else has shut stuff down and told people to stay home while the health systems get overwhelmed and we probably will face the same decisions.

Yes Tal, your hospitals and medicines will be too expensive for the poor, people will die in the thousands all you can do is close borders like the rest of us

Hmmm, isn't Pence one of those fundie Christians who's looking ahead to the apocalypse and the rapture?Wow. Weren't you the one telling us a few weeks back that we should not judge?

Wow. Weren't you the one telling us a few weeks back that we should not judge?
How is that a judgment? It sure looks like a question.

How is that a judgment? It sure looks like a question.

jl we are told to make right judgements

jl we are told to make right judgements
I was a fundie most of my life. It wasn't a judgment.

well it looked like it to me too, saying that Pence is a fundie Christian sounds like a judgement, Christians are called upon to be practical as well as having faith and he is no different

Hmmm, isn't Pence one of those fundie Christians who's looking ahead to the apocalypse and the rapture?Yeah. I'm sure you meant that "fundie Christians" remark to be a compliment.

Clete, I was referring the WG's comment on the matter, not my own. I would agree with you that we must be able to assess "rightness" or "wrongness".

Wouldn't it be great if we all followed the same ideology? We don't. Fundie is not a knock or compliment, just a description of ideology.
There are many levels of right and wrong, and the nuance is subtle and at the same time great. WG is correct, Pence is a hard core fundie, he doesn't believe in the science of needle exchanges, or didn't until the HIV crises in a part of the state he governed got worse, and he changed his policy. He also thinks you can pray away the gay, and be a hetero. We know how well that works.
Closing PP because it facilitates abortions, while not recognizing the VAST other things it does, is also part of the fundie ideology. How is THAT right? Pence did that too, and helped the HIV crises in Indiana get worse. His record as a governor before he bacame a VP is simple enough to look up.

Yes folks this is the guy tapped to manage this coronavirus crises, but we will see if he has learned a darn thing from past actions, or will he let his fundie ideology get in the way. Hopefully he has learned better, and leaves his politics and religion out of this crises, and let's the scientists do their job.

Yes folks this is the guy tapped to manage this coronavirus crises, but we will see if he has learned a darn thing from past actions, or will he let his fundie ideology get in the way. Hopefully he has learned better, and leaves his politics and religion out of this crises, and let's the scientists do their job.


Nothing like prejudging a matter, if he calls on you to pray, will you? or will you reject that as part of "fundie" christianity? In what way will his politics affect the administration of the response? he can only respond with the resources he has

It's not prejudice to point out his actions and record as a governor. At least google the dude and review his record then and now. I've prayed with many people in my life, and will again, no problem, but praying the gay away to make a gay person hetero, is as loony as it gets in my book!

If he cannot do his job and get whatever resources that's NEEDED, then that's how he will be judged. Pray for getting those resources is something I would certainly join him in, and hope he succeeds beyond my wildest expectations.

but we will see if he has learned a darn thing from past actions, or will he let his fundie ideology get in the way.

Fundie is not a knock or compliment, just a description of ideology.Uhm, kind of contradictory statements aren't they?

How so?

You say that being called a "fundie" is not a knock, but then proceed to say that it will "get in the way" if he has not learned "a darn thing" from the past. If being a fundie is neutral (not a knock), then why do you assume it would get in the way? Why wouldn't you just as well assume it would be a positive?

I think it is safe to say that the RESPONSE of the U.S. to this ChiCom virus will be the best in the world: Despite all the crap slung about with regards to the U.S. "HEALTHCARE" System, when people want to come to the best hospitals in the world, they end up coming to the U.S.: We have the best doctors in the world, why? Because WE PAY THE BEST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD MORE THAN THEY CAN GET PAID ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD! Don't even try to counter what I just said, because you know its true...And, our research and development is also the best in the world. So, don't wish upon a star that all of this goes to hell in a handbasket so it impugns Trump to the point it prevents him getting elected in November because it ain't happening! The U.S. infrastructure is just too massive, too strong, and too good to fail.....unless, of course, God has chosen this ChiCom virus as the END of us all and HE has that power....BELIEVE THIS: IF ITS GOD'S PLAN, NOTHING CAN STOP IT!

So when does the testing start to find out who got what? Then you'll know how serious this thing is here and with 6 deaths already forget them freakin' masks and get those test kits to the frontline NOW!

Talaniman: With a 14 day incubation period where the hosts can spread the virus, you can better the incidence of the virus will take of EXPONENTIALLY soon: It could go from dozens to tens of thousands within two to three weeks....The 1918 Pandemic killed ~50 million with a 2% death rate on individual who caught the flu: World population is more than twice that now, I think(?)...so, the deaths today could be 100,000,000.

Talaniman: With a 14 day incubation period where the hosts can spread the virus, you can better the incidence of the virus will take of EXPONENTIALLY soon: It could go from dozens to tens of thousands within two to three weeks....The 1918 Pandemic killed ~50 million with a 2% death rate on individual who caught the flu: World population is more than twice that now, I think(?)...so, the deaths today could be 100,000,000.

or 100,000 or 10,000. This is not the flu. It is a disease that mainly affects older, vulnerable people. The medical science has moved on from 1918, one hundred years has made a big difference in survival rates, nutrition. 100 years ago obesity, now the biggest threat to humanity, wasn't a problem. It will kill more people this year than CV, so will the common flu

It will kill more people this year than CV, so will the common fluGood point.

Right now, we really don't know ANYTHING! We only know what we are told....and we damned sure don't know how many ChiComs are dead right now. We don't know much. You want to bet on our medical prowess saving the day? Well, we have done a wonderful job curing another virus call AIDS, haven't we?

GOD, Himself, will let us know when we don't have to worry about this CV, and only He knows: We aren't that smart and certainly aren't that powerful.

Vac you are religious person you know about pestilence as prophesied in Revelation, this is either the end times or it is not

All that matters is what you do during these times whether they are prophesy or not. I mean you are worried about locust and the power companies and factories are fouling the drinking water and air?

Talaniman: There are a thousand daggers pointed at the heart of man....and, sadly, most all of them are of his own design....Stupidity is a bad thing...Arrogance is a bad thing...Stupidity AND Arrogance can be a deadly combination.

All that matters is what you do during these times whether they are prophesy or not. I mean you are worried about locust and the power companies and factories are fouling the drinking water and air?

Tal locust are a real problem in some parts of the world, and the fouling of the water is part of the prophesy, God uses many methods to accomplish his will including the foolishness of man

Despite prophesy, and the belief of preordained events, I doubt the average man can ignore what he must do in his daily life, or his attitude and actions which keeps him going, since you still have to eat and pay rent and even plan a future to strive for until such events actually manifest itself am I not correct? No man can control what the Creator has planed, but he can control what he does about himself. As you said there are locusts somewhere, and wars and rumors of wars has always been with us, so why give up your day job not knowing when the world will end.

Have we missed the second coming and the thousand years of peace? That alone should give Christians hope and not be obsessed about the end, shouldn't it?

ah peace i think I heard it spoken of once

Why do we have trillion dollar budget deficits? Trump asked for 2.5 bil to combat CV. By the time Pelosi got through adding unnecessary items to it, it had grown to 8.7 bil. Just the usual disgraceful negligence.

jlisenbe: Pelosi does not have the interests of the people at heart: She is all about power grabbing....and she is disgusting.

Nice spin, but if it was Pelosi inflating the bill, why did repubs go along with it? Just have to put blame on the dems somehow despite the fact this was a bipartisan effort. Come on guys that was kind of lame.

Nice spin, but if it was Pelosi inflating the bill, why did repubs go along with it?That's a great question and I completely back you asking it. You see, your view is that if the dems do it, then it's alright. My view is completely different and not so much guided by purely partisan considerations. I hope Trump will veto it, but that's unlikely since people like you would raise heck about it. Taking a hard stance for fiscal sanity is not popular.

Taking a hard stance for fiscal sanity is not popular.

is that what you think he is doing?

In light of the facts, your theory of Pelosi twisting the arms of the dufus and the repubs arms (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-sign-8-3b-coronavirus-funding-bill-friday-pence-says) falls into the NUT case file.



Earlier Thursday, the U.S. Senate passed its coronavirus funding bill 96-1 (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-approves-coronavirus-spending-bill), with only Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., voting against it.On Wednesday, the U.S. House passed its version (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-easily-passes-8-3b-coronavirus-bill) 415-2, with only Reps. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., and Ken Buck, R-Colo., voting against the measure.

is that what you think he is doing?Did I say that's what I thought he was doing? Well...no, I didn't.


In light of the facts, your theory of Pelosi twisting the arms of the dufus and the repubs arms (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-sign-8-3b-coronavirus-funding-bill-friday-pence-says) falls into the NUT case file.The only nutty thing is your nutty inability to read and comprehend. I never said Pelosi twisted anyone's arm. I did say that a 2.5 bil request morphed into 8.7 bil. That's a great illustration of why we are running trillion dollar budget deficits. Trump nor anyone else has any interest in a balanced budget.

Why do we have trillion dollar budget deficits? Trump asked for 2.5 bil to combat CV. By the time Pelosi got through adding unnecessary items to it, it had grown to 8.7 bil. Just the usual disgraceful negligence.

This is what you said and accused Pelosi of adding stuff not needed. That's TWO inaccuracies unless you can clarify my misunderstanding. You followed with this,



My view is completely different and not so much guided by purely partisan considerations. I hope Trump will veto it, but that's unlikely since people like you would raise heck about it. Taking a hard stance for fiscal sanity is not popular.


At this point the fact that it was darn near unanimous passing of a bill and signed to address the crisis, which you balk at, so let me ask another question which is how do you know it was loaded with stuff not needed, and what would that be? How do you know the 2.5 billion was adequate?

My main question is still how did Pelosi get repubs to pass and the dufus to sign a bill that she supposedly loaded up with stuff you don't need? That response surely sounds like a pure partisan consideration to me, and misinformed as well and certainly not backed by facts, which is nothing new from you at all.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/06/812964894/where-that-8-3-billion-in-u-s-coronavirus-funding-will-and-wont-go

Granted the twisting of arms was my wording but you sure implied she did something for repubs to go along if indeed she did and what WIERD is while folks are scared and dying, you holler how much this thing is costing.

Money before people and we still don't know exactly the size of the problem? Shame on you!

Man this gets old. This was your ridiculous accusation. "In light of the facts, your theory of Pelosi twisting the arms of the dufus and the repubs arms (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-sign-8-3b-coronavirus-funding-bill-friday-pence-says) falls into the NUT case file." I advanced no such theory. I said she took a 2.5 bil request and ended up with 8.7 bil. That's why we have a trillion dollar budget deficit, the habit of adding extra spending to budget requests. These morons we send to Washington are incapable of thinking in terms of spending money responsibly. When you are already bleeding profusely, then you don't go looking for another artery to cut. You don't care about that. You only care about worshiping at the altar of liberal political correctness, so Pelosi could pour a load of garbage on your head and you would defend her. The day will come when you will care a great deal about these deficits.

I'm just glad I got this site to work. It has become really flaky and hard to work with the past few days. Has anyone else had this problem. Took me five times just to get this reply to load. I had to leave about half of it off.

What was the senate excuse?

What was the senate excuse?I think you just aren't getting it. Do you really think I'm going to try and defend the Senate just because it is controlled by the repubs? When it comes to spending, none of them are responsible. THAT IS HOW WE HAVE ARRIVED AT TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET DEFICITS.

I'm running this in IE and it seems to work better there. We'll see.

In case you didn't notice, we have a health crisis on our hands and to be honest that has to take a priority over the deficit at this time. I'm sure you can agree with that can't you?

Been having a lot of trouble just accessing the site let alone getting the bells and whistles to function!

In case you didn't notice, we have a health crisis on our hands and to be honest that has to take a priority over the deficit at this time. I'm sure you can agree with that can't you?That would MAYBE explain 8 bil of the thousand billion dollar deficit. What explains the rest of it? Apathy on the part of the uncaring public.


Been having a lot of trouble just accessing the site let alone getting the bells and whistles to function!Me as well. It's had its flaky moments the past few weeks, but the past three or four days has been a wrestling match.

That would MAYBE explain 8 bil of the thousand billion dollar deficit. What explains the rest of it? Apathy on the part of the uncaring public.

The public at least a very large chunk of it is trying to survive right now amid fears of getting sick, or unable to work and pay bills and such. Gonna blow your mind when we find out we may need an additional trillion bucks right now! Trade wars, and oil wars ain't helping at this time and just add to the drama of sick people, among them health care workers.


Me as well. It's had its flaky moments the past few weeks, but the past three or four days has been a wrestling match.

It's a problem on all my devices and maybe AMHD has abandoned it's maintenance, I don't know, but I can't figure it out, so just have to get in when I can, and do what I can, when I can.

we may need an additional trillion bucks right now!For what? That's more than we spend on the military in one year.

I have wondered about AMHD as well. The traffic has slowed down so much that it might just not be worth the trouble to maintain it. Hope not. I would miss you guys.

For what? That's more than we spend on the military in one year.

I have wondered about AMHD as well. The traffic has slowed down so much that it might just not be worth the trouble to maintain it. Hope not. I would miss you guys.

There are 50 states that will need additional funding to keep hospitals running, and STAFFED, and no telling the costs of resources and equipment especially in those rural and underserved communities, not to mention all those people who may be sick that can't work, pay rent, heating and shelter, that may have to rely on state and county assistance, who are not managers or CEO's or tech support. This virus has affected 34 states so far, and some are already in emergency mode.

Man, this has gotten ugly and wide spread everywhere, and we are way behind testing, even while more schools are closed, and planes across the country get grounded. That's just the virus crisis getting started as we have no clue the economic impact of this oil war with the Russians and Saudis yet, and no telling what else comes down the pike.

We are just getting started in what could be a really rough next few months, as we find out the real scope of this pandemic. As markets fall, and the global economy take huge hits, for sure we too will be affected.

A trillion may be a good start for now.

A trillion may be a good start for now.And this will come from where? That's the great question that used to be blissfully ignored by liberals, but now even conservatives are learning to live in this ignorance.

You know where it comes from, the federal reserve prints money

Actually, that's not really how it works. It is primarily through the sale of government bonds. It is lunacy.

Actually, that's not really how it works. It is primarily through the sale of government bonds. It is lunacy.

No China around to buy those bonds, trillions wiped of stocks this is a crash so borrowing to spend may be off the agenda and what will be needed is real money, not OPM

We all are feeling the pinch of events, but TBonds are still safe and popular and not just in China, but everywhere in the known world even with the lowest yields in history.

Yes, but it's still debt which is dumb beyond belief. Our national debt right now is is about 80 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the country. To fund the federal budget with borrowed money is craziness.

A 25 trillion dollar annual economy should be able to fund an 8 trillion dollar annual government.

No problems with the site today, for now at least!

A 25 trillion dollar annual economy should be able to fund an 8 trillion dollar annual government.

Both of your figures are wrong. GDP for the U.S. was about 21 tril last year. Fed budget was about 4.4 tril, about one trillion of which was borrowed. You can't look at GDP in reference to federal borrowing because the feds don't get most of that. A better way is to look at total debt versus federal revenues. When you look at it that way, then federal debt is almost 7 times the amount the feds take in every year. Put another way, if my debt was seven times my income, then I'd be weeping in a corner. But again, we have become such a stupid nation that we no longer even pay attention to it. We only think about today. Tomorrow, including the tomorrows of our children and grandchildren (daughter is expecting our fist grandchild!) no longer counts for much. What insane selfishness that is.

But there is good news. AMHD is back up and working again!

If you didn't balk over a deficit of 2.1 trillion bucks for tax cuts, then why balk over a trillion bucks to help people caught up in this corona virus fiasco, oil wars and trade wars?

If you didn't balk over a deficit of 2.1 trillion bucks for tax cuts, then why balk over a trillion bucks to help people caught up in this corona virus fiasco, oil wars and trade wars?I don't like budget deficits. I was all for the tax cuts, but they should have been matched by spending cuts. As to the people caught up in "this corona virus fiasco, oil wars, and trade wars", do you plan on helping any of them financially yourself, or are you just in favor of adding more debt on the backs of your grandchildren?

Is that a fair trade off, helping people caught in a crisis they did not create, and the future of my grand kids? Taxes were cut on the backs of our grand kids already and nobody says squat they took the money and ran. So help those that need it now.

Maybe we will do better tomorrow. Maybe the grand kids will be better than us.

So help those that need it now.If you feel that strongly about it then you personally need to do it, but it would be good not to add ever more debt on the backs of our grandchildren.

I prefer that my government reflect those values that calls for helping citizens in need. I can't do it personally, wish I could, so I cast my vote for those that espouse those values. So far so good, sorry you don't agree but in this you are out voted.

I prefer that my government reflect those values that calls for helping citizens in need. I can't do it personally, wish I could, so I cast my vote for those that espouse those values. So far so good, sorry you don't agree but in this you are out voted.

So you espouse the principle of Other People's Money, can't use your own so you agree with taking what belongs to others and giving it away. Can't expect any more from a demonrat, now can we?

So you espouse the principle of Other People's Money, can't use your own so you agree with taking what belongs to others and giving it away. Can't expect any more from a demonrat, now can we?

It ain't other peoples money. It's OUR money in the first place.

It ain't other peoples money. It's OUR money in the first place.

how does your lack of money become our money?

We voted and we take care of the least of us won.

I can't do it personally, wish I could, so I cast my vote for those that espouse those values. So far so good, sorry you don't agree but in this you are out voted.Try running that weak and pitiful excuse past your grandchildren. See what they think about their grandfather's casual attitude about voting for those who are pouring debt into their futures. .

We voted and we take care of the least of us won.

Ok so now you are a Bernie supporter

Try running that weak and pitiful excuse past your grandchildren. See what they think about their grandfather's casual attitude about voting for those who are pouring debt into their futures. .

I didn't vote for repubs or the dufus who chose to cut taxes on the backs of our grandchildren. You did. Nor do I support cutting assistance for the least, or the needy, to pay for those tax cuts. Start with the bloated military budget, and those tax havens and loopholes for rich people, and multinational corporations that have long allowed them to pay no taxes on most of their money, and run overseas for cheap labor.

Maybe you should examine your own casual attitude about giving to the rich and stealing from the least and the needy.


Ok so now you are a Bernie supporter

All the dems support assisting the needy and the least of us Clete, not just Bernie.

Maybe you should examine your own casual attitude about giving to the rich and stealing from the least and the needy.Say anything you want, but you are the one advocating for even more borrowing. I'm the one calling for a balanced budget. As to the rich, you mean the ones who are paying more than 85% of fed income taxes? Those people?

All the dems support assisting the needy and the least of us Clete, not just Bernie.

They only support assisting the needy with OPM, if they were true socialists they would overthrow the whole rotten mess, but no, they will stick their snouts in the trough

Yes those that have the money to support such levels of the federal government. They don't do it for free either, because they also write the monetary policy for all of us. I've explained that before, but in case you missed it, they hand pick candidates you elect that they control, to make it easier to make MO'MONEY for themselves. Even when the tax rate was 90% way back in the day, nobody paid that, just as they didn't pay the going rate of 35% nor will they pay the 21% of today. They have loopholes, tax havens and deductions to mitigate any rate you tax them at. So while you tout the support for the federal government like some holy grail, they also force the federal government to borrow mo money for the stuff the government does, and YOU pay for that and your grand kids too.

It's your support of this trickle down economic policy that makes a balanced budget IMPOSSIBLE by any repub. Of course you will never see it that way, and I do understand that, since it's much easier to say that po folks and the old are the real culprits of the debt, because they cannot contribute to the economy in the same capacity of those rich guys, and just take your money that you worked hard to earn.

They only support assisting the needy with OPM, if they were true socialists they would overthrow the whole rotten mess, but no, they will stick their snouts in the trough

We aren't true socialists Clete, just Americans, and the only OPM in America is what rich guys legally steal. OPM is just an excuse to say you are more important than me, which justifies legal stealing. That's why after repubs pillage and plunder and ruin things for ordinary citizens, dems come in and clean up the mess on the fed level.

dream on

No dream it's historical FACT look it up starting with King Reagan.

That's why after repubs pillage and plunder and ruin things for ordinary citizens, dems come in and clean up the mess on the fed level.Never would have thought that having some of the lowest unemployment figures in history, strong GDP growth, and strong wage growth would be considered "pillaging". But I would agree with you that the dems would certainly "fix" all of that.


I didn't vote for repubs or the dufus who chose to cut taxes on the backs of our grandchildren. You did. Nor do I support cutting assistance for the least, or the needy, to pay for those tax cuts. Start with the bloated military budget, and those tax havens and loopholes for rich people, and multinational corporations that have long allowed them to pay no taxes on most of their money, and run overseas for cheap labor.Your outlook never seems to change. "Make someone else pay for it, but don't ask anything from Tal. Even when it comes down to putting a burden on the back of my grandchildren, then that's fine." But I do congratulate you. Sure sounds like what a truly radical, liberal dem would say.

You going to blame the dems for the stock market falling, or the pending lay offs from oil wars? Is the dufus going to fix this or not?

he can't fix it, blow hard doesn't cut it

We have been attacked with a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON from Red China: The appropriate response is to strike back with our own biological weapon ASAP....otherwise, we risk successive attacks from the ChiComs. In terms of this virus: We should not do anything different...we should continue our daily routines....let the virus run its course.

We have been attacked with a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON from Red China: The appropriate response is to strike back with our own biological weapon ASAP....otherwise, we risk successive attacks from the ChiComs. In terms of this virus: We should not do anything different...we should continue our daily routines....let the virus run its course.

you talk rubbish, the "biological weapon" has killed more chinese so if there was an attack it was against the chinese, the italians, but not the US which is having an attack of the hebbie jeevies

US which is having an attack of the hebbie jeeviesJust about right.

Business as usual and ignoring the virus threat and the health and economic threat ain't going to cut it as this thing is getting bigger at a rapid rate. It is sweeping the whole country as it has every country.

Business as usual and ignoring the virus threat and the health and economic threat ain't going to cut it as this thing is getting bigger at a rapid rate. It is sweeping the whole country as it has every country.

then you might have to curtail some of your freedoms, just to stop the idiots

Business as usual and ignoring the virus threat and the health and economic threat ain't going to cut it as this thing is getting bigger at a rapid rate. It is sweeping the whole country as it has every country.I rest my case.

I rest my case.

So we should do NOTHING? Is that your case?

Paraclete: The Red Chinese could lose half their population and still have more than twice the population of the U.S. AND they don't give a rat's arse about their people, that's why they went ahead and permitted the virsu to kill their own to legitimize it as a "natural" problem. Meanwhile, they were sending 7000 ChiComs a day over to the U.S. as carrier rats to spread the virus.

Also, how do you explain the CAPTURE of 663 ChiComs crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in the last 90 days? If we caught 663, that means that we missed 2-3 times that number (the ratio of capture versus escape). While everyone is worried about Mexicans crossing the border, we have ChiComs coming across that can do real damage.....When you look at this and the attempts of ChiComs to penetrate Trump's Florida homestead, you begin to see something sinister.

Also, anecdotal evidence suggests that the ChiComs had this planned-out: Why did they have so many ventilators ready? Why were they able to send ventilators to Europe? Who has warehouses of ventilators sitting around, ready to go? ChiComs attacked the U.S. with the intention of trying to help the Democrats unseat Trump. We are worried about Russian interference in our election process, what about Red Chinese interference?

then you might have to curtail some of your freedoms, just to stop the idiots

Taking SAFETY precautions doesn't take away your freedom, it saves your health, and maybe a life. It's more like weathering an extreme storm. Hunker down until it passes.

So we should do NOTHING? Is that your case?We are doing a lot already, but we should not panic as in your post. We've faced FAR worse situations than this and made it fine, and we'll get through this just fine if we'll keep our heads.

Paraclete: The Red Chinese could lose half their population and still have more than twice the population of the U.S. AND they don't give a rat's arse about their people, that's why they went ahead and permitted the virsu to kill their own to legitimize it as a "natural" problem. Meanwhile, they were sending 7000 ChiComs a day over to the U.S. as carrier rats to spread the virus.

Also, how do you explain the CAPTURE of 663 ChiComs crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in the last 90 days? If we caught 663, that means that we missed 2-3 times that number (the ratio of capture versus escape). While everyone is worried about Mexicans crossing the border, we have ChiComs coming across that can do real damage.....When you look at this and the attempts of ChiComs to penetrate Trump's Florida homestead, you begin to see something sinister.

Also, anecdotal evidence suggests that the ChiComs had this planned-out: Why did they have so many ventilators ready? Why were they able to send ventilators to Europe? Who has warehouses of ventilators sitting around, ready to go? ChiComs attacked the U.S. with the intention of trying to help the Democrats unseat Trump. We are worried about Russian interference in our election process, what about Red Chinese interference?

Whatever you are smoking, you need to stop, if China loses the US market they lose, the Chinese want business as usual, they have more people in poverty than your entire population. You fail to understand that they have had many epidemics, obviously, they would have ventilators in stock

Paraclete: "Losing" the "need" for ChiCom slave labor should be the goal of highest U.S. importance! The U.S. should be endeavoring to do whatever it has to do to rid itself of the ChiCom scourge: After this horrific episode, if the brain-dead citizenry of this nation aren't beginning to catch onto the realization of the evil actions and intentions of Red China well, then, all hope is lost.

We should be thinking in terms of revoking Red China's Favored Nation Trading Status and, also, canceling our debt payment to them to the tune of however many billion of $$$s this Corona Virus has damaged our country. If Red China has half of their country in poverty, my only hope is that their poverty number expands to consume the entire fetid nation.

We are doing a lot already, but we should not panic as in your post. We've faced FAR worse situations than this and made it fine, and we'll get through this just fine if we'll keep our heads.

There is a lot of chaos just because this came about suddenly. Some still don't take it seriously enough and some take it to the extremes. Fear does that, always has and always will, and slow responses don't help that. Expect more fear though as the scope of this event comes into better focus. Everybody is scrambling to deal with this.


Paraclete: "Losing" the "need" for ChiCom slave labor should be the goal of highest U.S. importance! The U.S. should be endeavoring to do whatever it has to do to rid itself of the ChiCom scourge: After this horrific episode, if the brain-dead citizenry of this nation aren't beginning to catch onto the realization of the evil actions and intentions of Red China well, then, all hope is lost.

We should be thinking in terms of revoking Red China's Favored Nation Trading Status and, also, canceling our debt payment to them to the tune of however many billion of $$$s this Corona Virus has damaged our country. If Red China has half of their country in poverty, my only hope is that their poverty number expands to consume the entire fetid nation.

Can't wait for the Chicom's response at losing favored nation status or the rest of your retaliatory fixes, since in many areas we are dependent on the them, and medical supplies and drugs is one of them.

There is a lot of chaos just because this came about suddenly. Some still don't take it seriously enough and some take it to the extremes. Fear does that, always has and always will, and slow responses don't help that. Expect more fear though as the scope of this event comes into better focus. Everybody is scrambling to deal with this.I think that's a pretty good summary other than to say that I don't really expect virus side of this to become something on the order of the black death of the Middle Ages.

Talaniman: It won't happen overnight but the U.S. would be well served to start planning RIGHT NOW to become independent of Red China IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE: The relationship with them, as this virus has highlighted, has been nothing but ONE-SIDED and in the ChiComs favor. When you add on that they have now attacked the U.S. with a "BIOLOGICAL WEAPON" disguised as a virus (it sprang forth from their Biological Weapons facility in Wuhan), its really high time we cut all ties with Red China.....then, don't pay them back for any of the loans since they have cause us so much damage with the current attack.

I think that's a pretty good summary other than to say that I don't really expect virus side of this to become something on the order of the black death of the Middle Ages.

Nor do I JL, but I don't see this as an easy challenge to overcome either. Hopefully we have come further than we were in middle ages. I think we are playing catch up for now and that's a big challenge in itself.


Talaniman: It won't happen overnight but the U.S. would be well served to start planning RIGHT NOW to become independent of Red China IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE: The relationship with them, as this virus has highlighted, has been nothing but ONE-SIDED and in the ChiComs favor. When you add on that they have now attacked the U.S. with a "BIOLOGICAL WEAPON" disguised as a virus (it sprang forth from their Biological Weapons facility in Wuhan), its really high time we cut all ties with Red China.....then, don't pay them back for any of the loans since they have cause us so much damage with the current attack.

I just repeat, we have no time for revenge or retaliation on just feelings with no facts, and have to be focused on saving our own arse before we think about kicking someone else's.

Nor do I JL, but I don't see this as an easy challenge to overcome either. Hopefully we have come further than we were in middle ages. I think we are playing catch up for now and that's a big challenge in itself.Pretty fair statement. I'm sure we are playing catch-up in some ways, but we're also paying a steep price for what might very well turn out to be a significant over-reaction.

In what ways if I may ask in all sincerity, as the err on the side of safety seems to be the initial course of action, as in hope for the best, but plan for the worst, just in case.

We could start with this ridiculous idea to send everyone a check for a thousand dollars. That is nothing more than election year vote buying and a continuation of the idea that money grows on tress, so we can spend with no idea at all of how to pay for it. Beyond that. the crazy over-selling of this thing by the media has panicked a lot of people and the stock market has plunged like a rock. I'm just think that a steady message from the media would have helped. It seems clear now that this is not going to be the end of the world.

It seems clear now that this is not going to be the end of the world.


I think that was always clear, it is, however, the end of an era. We will emerge from this more insular, making greater use of the internet and some institutions will have died in the process. Cheap air travel will be one of them, big rock concerts may be another

The senate has passed the House bill, (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-approves-house-passed-coronavirus-relief-measure/ar-BB11mM5c?ocid=spartanntp#image=1) and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package. There will be many changes for now, and more to come. Hate to see those job numbers the next few weeks. Amazing how a bug you can't see takes down the world, and not a meglamaniac. The first unscheduled maintenance shutdown in history.

The senate has passed the House bill, (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-approves-house-passed-coronavirus-relief-measure/ar-BB11mM5c?ocid=spartanntp#image=1) and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package. There will be many changes for now, and more to come. Hate to see those job numbers the next few weeks. Amazing how a bug you can't see takes down the world, and not a meglamaniac. The first unscheduled maintenance shutdown in history.

it is just the planet adjusting over population, notice; it started in the most populous place. many countries are over reacting seeing depression when there will be a mild recession

The senate has passed the House bill, (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-approves-house-passed-coronavirus-relief-measure/ar-BB11mM5c?ocid=spartanntp#image=1) and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package. Lunacy. Trump might as well change his name to Obama.

This thing has a chance to break this country financially.....it may take 30 years to recover. if every: All we have done with this overreaction and overreach is to strengthen our enemies while we weaken ourselves. The whole episode will be recorded in history as the worst decision in modern history.

Like 911, this ChiCom virus will erode our freedoms: Already, dastardly people are trying to figure out ways to use this virus panic and parlay that into gaining more control over our freedoms. This may be the closest we have ever come to seeing Fascism in the U.S. because it may be the only way to regain sanity: Right now, all I see is insanity and horrific decision taking.

Like I have said before: THE CRASHES ON WALL STREET ARE DESIGNED! DESIGNED TO ROB RETIREMENT FUNDS! This is absolute truth.

This is absolute truth.

Haven't you heard vac, only a sith deals in absolutes, unless, of course, we are dealing with God who is the only absolute truth

THE CRASHES ON WALL STREET ARE DESIGNED! DESIGNED TO ROB RETIREMENT FUNDS! Why would they want to do that?

Why would they want to do that?

You are right, they would not but vac has a conspiracy theory, perhaps he thinks the chinese will benefit afterall it is all a chinese plot

Why would they want to do that?

They've always put a priority on MO'MONEY, and YO'MONEY. Half the country gives rich guys money to play the markets with the promise of getting rich. Same business model as casinos and lottery.

Talaniman: The Wall Street raids were at a lower frequency that have been turned up to a higher frequency. As I have always said: THE MONEY IS NOT BEING BURNED IN FURNACES: IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM YOU TO SOMEONE ELSE! And, it is a GAMBLE to go the 401K route! Everyone has consumed that cool aide: You get de-funded/stripped of $$$s overnight on an investment that took YEARS TO BUILD UP! They try to calm your fears by telling you that its O.K. if you "just stay in the fund, it will come back"! HORSE SH$T! The values falls like they fell off a table and the trajectory incline of GROWTH BACK is EXTREMELY GRADUAL AND LONG/PROTRACTED: YOU NEVER, EVER RECOVER TO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD NOT THE FUND BEEN RAIDED! The whole time period between loss and build-back to the original value is MONEY LOST! Why in the hell is that so hard to understand??? And, if you stay around long enough, you have the pleasure of being RAPED AGAIN!

YES: THE CHINESE WIN IN ALL THIS VIRUS HYSTERIA! They attacked us with a biological weapon, wreck our economy, and stand to be on a much stronger footing coming out of this than we will be coming out of it. So, YES, CHICOMS WIN because we don't have the intestinal fortitude to pull back manufacturing from Red China and we don't have the will power to hit back at them with a biological weapon attack of our own.

Instead of letting this ChiCom virus run its course and not try and "shield" ourselves (let those who get it, get it and then become immune) we are going to draw this virus' run in the U.S. to a maximum time period which will paralyze our economy, create a generation of social awkward people (as if we needed "more" reasons to not talk and interact with one another!), and allow people in government, both locally and nationally, the excuse to take MORE CONTROL THAN EVER of every waking hour of our lives! Our freedoms are gone with these actions.

Talaniman: The Wall Street raids were at a lower frequency that have been turned up to a higher frequency. As I have always said: THE MONEY IS NOT BEING BURNED IN FURNACES: IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM YOU TO SOMEONE ELSE! And, it is a GAMBLE to go the 401K route! Everyone has consumed that cool aide: You get de-funded/stripped of $$$s overnight on an investment that took YEARS TO BUILD UP! They try to calm your fears by telling you that its O.K. if you "just stay in the fund, it will come back"! HORSE SH$T! The values falls like they fell off a table and the trajectory incline of GROWTH BACK is EXTREMELY GRADUAL AND LONG/PROTRACTED: YOU NEVER, EVER RECOVER TO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD NOT THE FUND BEEN RAIDED! The whole time period between loss and build-back to the original value is MONEY LOST! Why in the hell is that so hard to understand??? And, if you stay around long enough, you have the pleasure of being RAPED AGAIN!

Begs the question why people keep playing that game. The market depends on OPM. No OPM, no market, and rich guys get bored.


YES: THE CHINESE WIN IN ALL THIS VIRUS HYSTERIA! They attacked us with a biological weapon, wreck our economy, and stand to be on a much stronger footing coming out of this than we will be coming out of it. So, YES, CHICOMS WIN because we don't have the intestinal fortitude to pull back manufacturing from Red China and we don't have the will power to hit back at them with a biological weapon attack of our own.


You keep making that statement but have yet to substantiate it. Until then, it's a loony conspiracy theory.


Instead of letting this ChiCom virus run its course and not try and "shield" ourselves (let those who get it, get it and then become immune) we are going to draw this virus' run in the U.S. to a maximum time period which will paralyze our economy, create a generation of social awkward people (as if we needed "more" reasons to not talk and interact with one another!), and allow people in government, both locally and nationally, the excuse to take MORE CONTROL THAN EVER of every waking hour of our lives! Our freedoms are gone with these actions.

Until we find a vaccine or treatment regime, or if indeed it immunity can be built, like the flu, and there are no long lasting effects like reinfection then safety first and caution needed. Can you say recovering people are not just in temporary remission? Are not carriers? No we know NOTHING right now do we except it causes death to some and not others in this initial phase.

We gave up our freedoms a long time ago, when we agreed to show up at a given time for some dude to give us money whether it was enough to live off of or not. Money is the only freedom now a days. The MO money the MO freedom you have. Thought you knew so stop blaming China for your lack of freedom. Blame the guys you pay the big bucks to for not watching out for YOU!!

Wuhan - PRC is where the PLA has a Bio;logical Weapons facility: That is how I extrapolate that this virus is a Chinese Biological Weapon....I think the claim has merit and certainly cannot be denounced as a conspiracy theory.

As for your other comments and point: I don't have a retort....I mostly agree with what you said.....my problem is that I was born 50 years too late...I liked it better when the world wasn't so crazy.

Or was the world crazy as heck, but you didn't know it? There have always been I think enough crazy people who make the world crazy for the rest of us. Can't tell by just looking.

someone should close out this thred . Discussions of budgets are meaninless in eras when the leaders are willing to drop wads of Monopoly money from helicopters for our benefit .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a71VqHpza58

What's your point...our leaders are jokers?

POINT TAKEN!

Yes led by the joker in chief with the cheesy smile

Man you guys are negative.

No, it is just reality, the chesshire cat smile has been wiped off his face, now he can no longer rely on rhetoric and how great I am doesn't cut it

The U.S. got attacked by a Chinese Biological Weapon virus: FILTHY CHICOMS HID THE VIRUS FOR MONTHS WHILE THEY WERE FLYING 7000 TWO LEGGED BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS A DAY INTO THE U.S.! The President is doing what any President would do....he was proactive WAY, WAY BACK when he wanted to go NO FLY FROM CHINA and the media and Democrats said that was RACIST! So, its complete and utter B.S. for anyone to wade in now with second guessing him now.....Like him or not, he is the U.S. President and the Commander In Chief, the one we have to work with, and we will work with him.

Man you guys are negative.

Hard to put a good face on the guy who used the good economy to brag about his greatness, and all he s doing, and when a crisis pops up, he is forced to actually do stuff. We all can see while he still brags the stuff he is doing is inadequate at this time, and that's recognizing the enormity of the challenge we face. This is some funky stuff for even the best and brightest.


The U.S. got attacked by a Chinese Biological Weapon virus: FILTHY CHICOMS HID THE VIRUS FOR MONTHS WHILE THEY WERE FLYING 7000 TWO LEGGED BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS A DAY INTO THE U.S.! The President is doing what any President would do....he was proactive WAY, WAY BACK when he wanted to go NO FLY FROM CHINA and the media and Democrats said that was RACIST! So, its complete and utter B.S. for anyone to wade in now with second guessing him now.....Like him or not, he is the U.S. President and the Commander In Chief, the one we have to work with, and we will work with him.

Even his good moves are inadequate and late so far, but I'm optimistic, because his test is can HE work with the rest of US. The American people can and will overcome and that's what we are doing. You can follow his lead if you want Vac, but America is about rising to the challenge and getting it done.

Perhaps you have forgotten that the CIC is not all knowing, in fact, he is like the wizard of OZ, much image projection and loud noise but he sends his minions to deal with issues with nothing more than orders and threats

Paraclete: Directing orders is part of the Commander In Chief job......and it always will be.....He is doing fine: He is a hell of a man, honestly, and he is a guy who doesn't accept a paycheck. He will win....Guy is a damn German, so you know he is a fighting SOB!

Paraclete: Directing orders is part of the Commander In Chief job......and it always will be.....He is doing fine: He is a hell of a man, honestly, and he is a guy who doesn't accept a paycheck. He will win....Guy is a damn German, so you know he is a fighting SOB!

He's a dufus whose claim to fame is telling everybody how great he is and what a bang up job he is doing with the mess he inherited. Those WH press conferences have turned into a puke fest of misinformation and BS bending the knee and kissing the ring.

Paraclete: Directing orders is part of the Commander In Chief job......and it always will be.....He is doing fine: He is a hell of a man, honestly, and he is a guy who doesn't accept a paycheck. He will win....Guy is a damn German, so you know he is a fighting SOB!
So what you are really saying is he is a Hun, beware the hun in the sun, or Trump in Florida

Nice rap Clete, totally appropriate except to conservatives here. Vac has a lot of old Euro leanings for a country boy.

yes he has tendencies