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Just when someone was getting a grip on the China trade situation along comes a virus, originating in China where all the good infections come from, and within a month it is declared an international crisis, an emergency where "emergency, emergency, everyone has to get from street" to coin an old line from a old movie. In the movie the threat wasn't real and the question is, is this a real emergency or a concocted one. Flue kills more people in this country every year than this virus is likely to kill world wide and yet it is an emergency. Mass hysteria, panic, paranoia.

Paraclete: Communist China is the HEART OF DARKNESS.....Some would argue it is the Islamic world but the ChiComs have no souls, they are atheist and that means no moral compass exist within them. I don't put something like you describe past these ChiComs. The ChiComs could use this "pandemic" to quell Hong Kong unrest with the "quarantine" tactic. But, it is a suicide tactic: The Chinese just think, and maybe rightly so, that they have more bodies to throw into the "suicide bin" than does the U.S.....lets hope the bastards choke on it and lets hope the entire Politburo, along with that snake-eyed Xi, get the damn Coronavirus and die!

Paraclete: Communist China is the HEART OF DARKNESS.....Some would argue it is the Islamic world but the ChiComs have no souls, they are atheist and that means no moral compass exist within them. I don't put something like you describe past these ChiComs. The ChiComs could use this "pandemic" to quell Hong Kong unrest with the "quarantine" tactic. But, it is a suicide tactic: The Chinese just think, and maybe rightly so, that they have more bodies to throw into the "suicide bin" than does the U.S.....lets hope the bastards choke on it and lets hope the entire Politburo, along with that snake-eyed Xi, get the damn Coronavirus and die!

You see there vac, you have engaged in paranoia, there are many christians in China so they are not all soulless as you suggest. This virus surfaced at chinese New Year, a time when many move around the country, so chaotic transport in the middle of winter, lots of crowds, but Wuhan is also a centre of medical research, so did the virus escape, or, did someone eat bat?

Paraclete: When I speak in those terms, I am not saying "the Chinese PEOPLE", are the heart of darkness, I am say that their ChiCom government is the heart of darkness: Its not paranoia when historical perspective show that the characterization of it is indeed correct....ask a Chinese who "escaped" from the Mainland and they will tell you: its not the sanitized version that the media portrays Red China to be, it is, in fact, very dark.

Whatever it is Clete, it's spreading fast, the death toll and infected rate rising and has China shutdown and no cure in sight. We all will be wearing hazmat suits and masks before it's over.

Whatever it is Clete, it's spreading fast, the death toll and infected rate rising and has China shutdown and no cure in sight. We all will be wearing hazmat suits and masks before it's over.

More paranoia, expect a cure soon, Australian research is on the job, they have already grown the virus in a lab and can use this to research a cure, as I said in the opening statement, flu is responsible for more deaths each year in this country alone and where is the panic over flu

it is an accidental release from a bio-weapon lab.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

it is an accidental release from a bio-weapon lab.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

perhaps it is just an effectiveness test

The research lab the good professor had helped set up? It’s located at the Wuhan University of Technology. Wuhan China is ground zero to the potentially global pandemic known as the “Coronavirus”'


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Yes the yellow peril has struck again, but China is not the place you think it is

China, as a people, not a country, are more Christian, than the US.

They have a higher active population of Christians than almost anywhere. They meet in illegal churches every week, online prayer groups, home churches and more. They meet, knowing they could go to jail, prison, lose jobs, lose custody of kids and more.

So no, the China people are not evil.

As the government, The Chinese government is much better than the items the Democratic party wants to put into place, so while out government is not as bad as theirs, it would only take one election, to make us worst

For what it is worth, my friend at the CDC is worried this could get out of hand and be another serious virus. But yes, we still have more deaths from normal virus, it is the threat of mutation that is a non mentioned scare.

As for Wuhan, it has what is equal to our CDC there. And many have the opinion that this would not have came from dead animals. If he would, it would have happened long ago, as dead animals is normal all over china. You have aligator on ice at the local Walmart in China, and meat just laying out on tables outside in every city in China,


This is getting had on the people in China, in all major cities, they have shut everything down. buses, subways, movies, any meetings.

Our family there have to just stay in their house, not allowed to go to work unless it is a required job to keep city or government operating.

My stepson and wife have not worked since this shut down started.

They as most people, are running out of supplies, in the area around Wuhan, it is even worst.
Our friend lives there, she has cancer, and can not even go in for treatment, since they fear she may get the virus because they have so many people in hospital they are in the hallways.


So no matter who or how it started, the people there are suffering.

Just image if it was illegal to drive your car out, to travel outside your city limits.
Illegal to have your store open, or if you had to close your business (movies, skating, and more)

Add to this, most communication from China is restreicted, they can't say anything about it on social media.

Fr Chuck: Are you Chinese or part of your family Chinese?

The CDC is a bunch of phonies . Thousands of people are afflicted by chronic lyme in this country every year and they barely acknowlege it exists . They call death from lyme a rare event and that is just a lie ! Tick born illness is a major problem. But the whole country panics when they see a mosquito.

The CIA has dropped C-130 loads of ticks carrying Lyme disease over South American jungles as a tactic to beat back the Columbian FARC....heard the interview.

The CIA has dropped C-130 loads of ticks carrying Lyme disease over South American jungles as a tactic to beat back the Columbian FARC....heard the interview.

How do you know it isn't a policy to restrict immigration?

The CIA has dropped C-130 loads of ticks carrying Lyme disease over South American jungles as a tactic to beat back the Columbian FARC....heard the interview.

LINK please. Sounds far fetched to me given the growing problem in THIS countries over decades.

Talaniman: I'm primitive at this but here it goes: Did the Pentagon Weaponize Tick-Borne Lyme Disease ...https://www.unknowncountry.com/headline-news/did-the-pentagon-weaponize-tick-borne-lyme-disease/

Thanks Vac, but inquiry is a far cry from did. Still I would not equate an old problem with the new one that is playing out in hina, though we must not dismiss mans role, intentional or unintentional is either of these situations should we?

Have you read the authors other works by chance?

Talaniman: No, have not read his other work.....got turned onto this from a friend of mine who actually heard blacked-out silhouette interview of the pilot who flew the CIA mission plane that dumped the alleged Lymes disease ticks: He said it was chilling stuff......Talaniman, I know you still have suspicions of me being a "Winger" but I am not and I have a deep, deep suspicion of anything with CIA attached to it....The U.S. Military doesn't do crap like this with CIA promotion and orders....the CIA is the dirty bastard in the room. Go up against them and you might lose your rights....keep it up and you will lose your life.

I've never been a supporter of any of those alphabet groups or my own government to a large extent, simply because I've seen their dirt over the years. I trust the dufus even less...far less than I do anyone else. Him and his mindless sycophants. You don't have to be a winger to be suspicious though, and it's without malice or bad intent I throw you in that camp occasionally, and cannot say I didn't sound more like you at that age than I care to admit. The dufus has corrupted my government in more ways and more deeply than the Nixon's and Reagan's and Bush's ever could. That does include the dem presidents between them too, least I be accused of selective blame.

I really can't say what's going on that I know nothing about, but the stuff I do know of is disgustingly despicable for real.

An overview of Whitley Strieber, and his works. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitley_Strieber)

Lived in China 6 years, and Japan 2 years, just been back a couple of years.
I taught International Law there.

Before that I was in Laos for 2 years.

So 10 years living in Asia.

Talaniman: Whitely Strieber seems a little eccentric but some of the most interesting people I have ever know could also be called eccentric, too. The guy apparently takes some
liberties" with the truth but he also must be one great storyteller as drawn inference from his resume.

I think a healthy dose of skepticism about Government ventures and entities is HEALTHY! Glad you feel the same.

And, I HOPE you are dead wrong about Trump. I really do: Our country doesn't need bad...we need good.....and we have to have leadership that can show the way. I WANT THE DEVISIVENESS TO GO AWAY! We need to come together and stop being two camps ON EVERYTHING! We can find common ground.

Talaniman: Whitely Strieber seems a little eccentric but some of the most interesting people I have ever know could also be called eccentric, too. The guy apparently takes some
liberties" with the truth but he also must be one great storyteller as drawn inference from his resume.

I think a healthy dose of skepticism about Government ventures and entities is HEALTHY! Glad you feel the same.

And, I HOPE you are dead wrong about Trump. I really do: Our country doesn't need bad...we need good.....and we have to have leadership that can show the way. I WANT THE DEVISIVENESS TO GO AWAY! We need to come together and stop being two camps ON EVERYTHING! We can find common ground.

Trump isn't your man

We agree on that Clete.

Well Tal let us agree on something else, it has begun to rain so really a new day

You pick the peeve Clete. Unless of course you get to much rain and seek higher ground. Be prepared and invest in a boat!

You pick the peeve Clete. Unless of course you get to much rain and seek higher ground. Be prepared and invest in a boat!

no tal if it floods here we are all in trouble

Welcome to my world Clete. No telling what a new day brings do we? If you don't get the tickets for a one week extravaganza in the Bahamas, then likely I didn't hit the lottery...AGAIN!

Welcome to my world Clete. No telling what a new day brings do we? If you don't get the tickets for a one week extravaganza in the Bahamas, then likely I didn't hit the lottery...AGAIN!

With coronavirus about it is not cruising weather as a number of my countrymen found out, stuck on a cruise ship is not the place to be, whether it's novovirus or coronavirus

Forget the cruise ship, I ain't got that many friends. I was thinking the cheap seat special on a freaking plane.

well there is some good news, the rate of infection appears to be falling

good news out out Iran

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tomder55: LOVE IT! GREAT NEWS! ONE LESS! AND, with any luck at all, the entire Turban Gang will get a dose of this stuff: Killing evil one demon at a time! Who said there wasn't a silver lining in this virus! And the Iranians call the U.S. "THE GREAT SATAN"? I think after this stuff gets going good, they will be looking toward RED CHINA as the "NEW GREAT SATAN"!

tomder55: LOVE IT! GREAT NEWS! ONE LESS! AND, with any luck at all, the entire Turban Gang will get a dose of this stuff: Killing evil one demon at a time! Who said there wasn't a silver lining in this virus! And the Iranians call the U.S. "THE GREAT SATAN"? I think after this stuff gets going good, they will be looking toward RED CHINA as the "NEW GREAT SATAN"!

Be careful what you wish for. In many ways the Iranians might be right, since the devil comes in many forms.

Paraclete: If the Iranians re-aim their "Great Satan" chants at RED CHINA, yes, yes indeed, they may be onto something RIGHT, for a change!

that travel ban that everyone thought was racist appears to have been prophetic . Now we need to complete the wall

Too late, should have done it already

The travel ban was racists and has nothing to do with the virus spreading here. A wall doesn't stop germs either, or people who can build ladders rather cheaply. What we need are beds and health care workers to get through this no matter how many get infected until science has a vacine. Above all a faster diagnosis from the start and more of it, and stop sending politicos to explain and update the public. That's a doctors job, and can't believe they haven't figured that out yet.

Like the markets people want facts and CERTAINTY! Give it to us!

what you need is not to panic

Depends on how it's dealt with as things get more complicated.


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interesting little factoid . the CDC official who did the chicken little act that spooked the markets this week was none other than
Nancy Messonnier,who just happens to be the sister of the former acting FBI Director Rod Rosenstein .You remember him ? He took over as acting FBI Director when Comey was fired and immediately appointed Robert Mueller to be the special investigator of the Russian hoax . Could it be that there are certain people in the government who think it would be beneficial to cause a financial panic in the run up to the election ?

tomder55: Will not matter: Markets will spring back stronger than ever: This will be good long term: Will force our greedy arsed manufactures to reconsider their supply and manufacturing futures with the ChiComs….and maybe even pull some of them back home!

Was she ginning up fear as conservatives think, or giving a fair warning that this could be bad and you better prepare for the worst? The dufus and conservatives are quick to downplay this crisis, while the doctors are not, and the markets weren't spooked, so protecting themselves in light of current conditions to ride this thing out. As a capitalist Tom, you know well that's what rich guys do when they see it coming and they have watched what other countries are doing and CTOA against what will be a huge financial hit.

That's my spin Tomder, because deep state fake news conspiracy intrigue aside, there is a looming health crisis. Just wait until health workers here get sick as in California and become understaffed. Will we shutdown March Madness or the baseball season...or NY, for days weeks or months? Ain't no vaccine yet so while you hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Walls and bans ain't cutting it!

Walls and bans ain't cutting it!So you're suggesting we just throw open the borders and let anyone and everyone in? I don't think that's a good plan for controlling a pandemic.

I think you should make sure we have enough resources to take care of those that are sick, and may get sick. Call up your rich buddies and get some of those closed rural hospitals open.

Call up your rich buddiesThat's your solution for everything. "Let someone else pay for it. Tax the rich but don't tax Tal!"


I think you should make sure we have enough resources to take care of those that are sick,Amazing. You really believe we should just let anyone and everyone into the country. I'll vote that we move them into your neighborhood. I know it would make it happy since, being a charitable, liberal soul, you'll be happy to have the chance to take care of them and pay their med bills.

tomder55: Will not matter: Markets will spring back stronger than ever: This will be good long term: Will force our greedy arsed manufactures to reconsider their supply and manufacturing futures with the ChiComs….and maybe even pull some of them back home! [QUOTE] Vac true dat . True dat has forc
tomder55: Will not matter: Markets will spring back stronger than ever: This will be good long term: Will force our greedy arsed manufactures to reconsider their supply and manufacturing futures with the ChiComs….and maybe even pull some of them back home true dat . I was a strict free trader in 2016 . He has made the case why the ChiComs are the exception to the rule .



Was she ginning up fear as conservatives think, or giving a fair warning that this could be bad and you better prepare for the worst? chicken little bs . No country is more prepared than the US . The reason the Chicoms and Iran are ill prepared correlated with the lack of liberty in those countries .



That's my spin Tomder, because deep state fake news conspiracy intrigue aside, there is a looming health crisis. Just wait until health workers here get sick as in California and become understaffed. Will we shutdown March Madness or the baseball season...or NY, for days weeks or months? Ain't no vaccine yet so while you hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Walls and bans ain't cutting it! There is no other country on the planet better prepared to react to a pandemic . You know it and I know it .



Amazing. You really believe we should just let anyone and everyone into the country.

Yes it is amazing that the Schmuckster only sees $8.5 billion as the solution when it is most likely that any spread of this will come from a lack of travel restrictions or REAL border control

tomder55: Actually, I feel even stronger about the ChiComs….in fact: SCREW THE CHICOMS TO HELL! I hope this sh&t they brewed up in some biological weapons lab come boomeranging back on them so hard it chokes out that snaked-eyed President For Life Xi and his whole stinking arsed Politburo. Then, all these bastards that were so quick to shut down manufacturing here can start pulling back from Red China and forget about chasing slave labor all around the globe. But honestly and truly, RED CHINA CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!

There is no other country on the planet better prepared to react to a pandemic . You know it and I know it .


Hope your right The dufus ordered those paper masks for us, hope he gets testing kits too! Kind of early to blame the brown people though, since the yellow people and the white people are the ones being hit right now.

As a strict free trader, why is Big Biz even doing business with China if they're such cheats, and taking advantage of us?

tomder55: Actually, I feel even stronger about the ChiComs….in fact: SCREW THE CHICOMS TO HELL! I hope this sh&t they brewed up in some biological weapons lab come boomeranging back on them so hard it chokes out that snaked-eyed President For Life Xi and his whole stinking arsed Politburo. Then, all these bastards that were so quick to shut down manufacturing here can start pulling back from Red China and forget about chasing slave labor all around the globe. But honestly and truly, RED CHINA CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!
No more Chinese food for you!

No more Chinese food for you!Awww! I like Chinese. Can't use chopsticks, but other than that I'm good with it.

Is KFC Chinese food?

Awww! I like Chinese. Can't use chopsticks, but other than that I'm good with it.

Yum! Me too! My favorites are shrimp with lobster sauce and combination fried rice. What's yours?


Is KFC Chinese food?
Nope. And I noticed those Kentucks are now going cheap by making cole slaw outta the white core of the cabbage and not outta green cabbage leaves.

Nope. And I noticed those Kentucks are now going cheap by making cole slaw outta the white core of the cabbage and not outta green cabbage leaves.They have gone downhill around here. I've gotten to where I don't normally go there.

They have gone downhill around here. I've gotten to where I don't normally go there.

Nothing like a good round of tenders with chili sauce, beats hamburger any day

Nothing like a good round of tenders with chili sauce, beats hamburger any day
KFC is chicken.

Doesn't the "C" in KFC stand for "Chinese"? Kentucky Fong Chinese? Something like that?


My favorites are shrimp with lobster sauce and combination fried rice. What's yours?Sweet and sour pork. That is Chinese, isn't it? Love egg rolls. My wife is not a fan, so we don't go very often.

KFC is chicken.

well of course it is, I eat there often and I was referring to a KFC dish, I also eat Chinese with chop sticks so I know the difference. Not all KFC is deep fired muck dripping in fat

well of course it is, I eat there often and I was referring to a KFC dish, I also eat Chinese with chop sticks so I know the difference. Not all KFC is deep fired muck dripping in fat
I'm sorry, 'Clete. I forgot they've expanded their menu. We rarely go there anymore. McDonald's, Arby's, Chinese, and Thai are usually our choices, plus three Chicago franchises: Buona Beef, Portillo's, and Brown's chicken.

My favorite is Kimchi...but that is Korean!

My favorite is Kimchi...but that is Korean!
I had a library volunteer whose mom is Korean. He told me the history of kimchi. He said the Japanese and Chinese soldiers tromped back and forth across Korea and stole what they could from Koreans. So the Koreans buried their possessions including their cabbage. It tasted so good after it had been buried for a while, they did that deliberately, added spices and other ingredients, thus creating kimchi.

(I looked up the history of kimchi and learned its history is more complicated than the above story.)

W.G.: Now, I didn't know that! Makes perfect sense! Koreans are a very hardy people: strong and hard working. Japanese and Chinese abused the devil out of them over history. I once had a Korean girlfriend and she was (sorry W.G.!) WONDERFUL! Probably the cleanest person I have ever know....and she was like a shrew! If she was awake, she was constantly doing something productive like cooking, sewing, ironing, knitting, vacuuming, washing her car, painting, making the bird cutouts from paper with the speed of light (amazing)...something all the time...no idle time....but, boy, she could drink, and I don't! I knew quite early that she was much more intelligent than me: clairvoyant, too. She could massage my hand and put me to sleep! And she fixed the best Kimchi I ever have tasted, it was the sour variety! Had a Korean boss (PhD. Engineer) and he was one heck of a cook, too: He like "crisp" Kimchi and told me that there are over 200 types of it. Really like the Korean people and their food!

V7, my Korean-American library volunteer was a FedEx driver and wore burmuda shorts every day for work, even during Chicago's frigid weather. He dressed warmly otherwise, and claimed the shorts helped him be even warmer -- something about blood flow. And in the evenings he worked at his parents' restaurant, a very popular PIZZA place!

W.G.: If a Korean tell you that "A chicken will pull a plow", you best hooked up the chicken to the plow! These people are no B.S.r's! And the Korean girlfriend I had told me that "You will never forget me" no matter where you are or who you are with", also was correct on that score, too....Pretty powerful people.

No more Chinese food for you!
I have gone to the local Chinese restaurant 3 times in the last 2 weeks when I heard reports that people were not going to them over irrational fears . If a pint of wonton soup with hot Chinese mustard was prescribed it would cure the corona virus . That is my default treatment to the common cold which in itself is a different corona virus
(types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1)

Maybe that's the problem with us humans. Too many diseases to keep track of and new ones pop up all the time. Not a place to cut the budget I think. For sure no place for politics and religion, give me a doctor please!

Pence is a manager . In my business I am the boss of scientists too. I am not expected to know the chemistry . I just give them direction and priorities .But you want a doctor ? Ben Carson was named to the task force today . So was FDA director doctor Stephen Hahn .

Pence is a manager . In my business I am the boss of scientists too. I am not expected to know the chemistry . I just give them direction and priorities .But you want a doctor ? Ben Carson was named to the task force today . So was FDA director doctor Stephen Hahn .

Keep the dufus out of it and I'm comfortable for now. Let the experts do there jobs, and sign the checks for the resources needed.

Yeh! That will do it

It appears CV is a plot to denude our supermarket shelves, who should we blame, the Chinese communists who want to sell us the rope to hang ourselves, the greedy preppers who think the apocalypse has come, the dumb bogans who will believe anything or media who are convinced this is the end of the world as we know it

Paraclete: How about the arses that will sell life jackets as the Titanic slides under the waves? This whole thing with CV is illuminating, for all to see, the pathetic, sickening, disgusting GREED OF MAN!

Sure is, speaks of the loss of moral values

FEAR can change ones moral values just as quick as GREED. Don't panic. Your PM says your ready.

FEAR can change ones moral values just as quick as GREEDI don't think they change a person's moral values so much as they reveal them.

jlisenbe: You nailed it: My Father told me this a long time ago: "A man's character is how he treats someone who can do nothing for him and nothing against him." He also said, pertaining to the same subject, that a man's character was best displayed by "how he carries on his affairs when he thinks no one is looking".....My Dad was one hell of a good man! I may be just a little bit biased, however.:)

I don't think they change a person's moral values so much as they reveal them.

I can agree with that, but I have long suspected that it's possible some were born greedy and fearful and totally without any morals, and embrace it rather than work to change their own natures. I have also seen to my disappointment, many a good man fail to rise to the challenge of doing the right thing, and feeding the less savory parts of his nature, in a desperation to save themselves. Is that not the lesson of the disciples when they abandoned and betrayed Jesus?

That doesn't mean they cannot be redeemed, and indeed they were, as have many who have fallen and gotten up. Reality though is some do not get back up. Whether it's right or wrong I won't judge, but stuff like that does happen all the time.

many a good man fail to rise to the challenge of doing the right thing,If he failed to do the right thing, then in what respect was he "good"?

I don't know, but why assume he wasn't a good man who acted from fear, or desperation? I go back to the example of Jesus and the acts of his disciples. They were good men before they did what they did to betray and deny their savior weren't they? Or did their true natures reveal themselves?

What do you think?

I would agree with Paul from Romans 3. "There is none good, not even one." We are all flawed.

there is not perfect human except one .



“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.” James Madison

Great quote. The founding fathers understood this business of governance very well.

The founding fathers understood the business of division very well

Depends on what you mean by division. It was not meant to be a division of enemies but a separation of powers. Has worked very well.

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Hope you have plenty of lemon

As we get new cases of the coronavirus over a thousand so far, cities are being shutdown, schools closed including colleges, and the congress is preparing a stimulus package for well some citizens any way. This thing is growing rapidly.

Everybody stay home until next year and the government will feed and shelter you and supply free netflix and popcorn. The election will be held on line and by phone in November.

Here we have the unique confluence of both Corona and Lyme .

1st known cases of Covid 19 were in December . The People's Republic of China hid it initially as they celebrated Chinese New year throughout January . Trump's travel ban to and from China began the end of February (you remember that because he was call racist and xenophobic for it .) From December until the end of February there were anywhere from 2,200 -7000 people entering into the US from China. Meaning that in that time period there were up to a half million Chinese travelling here . We have had this disease here much longer than we think .

They're predicting a third or half the population will be affected after they get some tests done. Don't know when that will be but the dufus says the kits are here, and more coming and doctors say where? You working from home yet Tom?

we finally understand the coronavirus plot, a plot to rid the world of toilet paper, I have a bidet. do you?

I'm old school Clete, a magazine will do in a pinch, don't hit the head without one.

Yes they just issued us with new telephone books

There you go, who needs toilet paper when you have the already yellow pages?

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You working from home yet Tom?
for years I have put in my 8 at the office and another 4 at home .



I have a bidet. do you?


I tried that when I lived in Iran . Stopped doing it because I always thought I was having an enema



There you go, who needs toilet paper when you have the already yellow pages? I hear madam Mim is using the pages of the SOTU address she ripped up

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April 2009 1st case H1N1 detected in US .
The emperor says US health care officials are "monitoring " the situation.He told us
to take the same precautions we would to prevent any other flu. “Wash your hands, cover your mouth when you cough. Stay home from work if you’re sick.” And he assured us the government would do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe.
Madam Mim and Harry Reid were too preoccupied trying to pass Obamacare to worry about a heath crisis in the country .

By October, Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the CDC said that
“millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died.” The emperor declared an emergency
October 24, 2009.
On November 12, 2009, the CDC announced that
22 million Americans had been infected with H1N1 and 4,000 Americans had died.

Compare that to Trump's response .
December 31 China FINALLY admits to the WHO there is a cluster in Wuhan .
On January 31 Trump declared a public health emergency and starts quarantine procedures for Americans who have been to China .
Flights filled with U.S. citizens who were in Wuhan were brought to America and those people were quarantined on U.S. military bases for two weeks.
The disease had been declared a public health emergency one month before the first U.S. death. Trump initiated a travel ban from China .

Yes, but what Obama did was better because...well, it just was.

We can compare better when we get to the 6 month mark, but having had that experience I would hope they can act sooner. I don't expect the dufus to rebuild Rome in a day.

I don't expect the dufus to rebuild Rome in a day.

Had a change of heart Tal? I thought you considered him the devil incarnate and therefore able to create great illusions

No change in heart Clete, just a practical acknowledgement as to the task before him. It's a HUGE challenge for anybody, and maybe moreso for this dufus. He can't talk his way through this with bluster and BS, and his sycophants can't chant and cheer his antics and rhetoric as things get worse either. Well they can, and do, but a sound bite means nothing to those sick and suffering or facing a huge economic challenge from this pandemic.

I mean how hard is it to tell the country all hell is breaking loose, and hunker down in a safe place?

I mean how hard is it to tell the country all hell is breaking loose, and hunker down in a safe place? that would be the typical Dem response ..and they will tell you that if they pick your pocket or the rich person's pocket then they can make things better . Note the way they are applying the Rham Emanuel principle to the bill going through Congress. What does abortion protection have anything to do with the Wuhan Virus ? Are they upset that not enough young people are dying ?

Suck it up! People have to keep going, have to keep working! We can't shutdown the country over a damned flu bug! What about power plants? Do you want the power plant workers to stay home and not come to work? Then everyone will be ing and moaning about being hot or cold...and no hot water for a shower! This is the biggest OVER_REACTION in history: The people have become the biggest wusses ever! WEAK! Both mentally and psychologically!

they will tell you that if they pick your pocket or the rich person's pocket then they can make things better . Yep. That is always the battlecry of the dems.


What does abortion protection have anything to do with the Wuhan Virus ? Are they upset that not enough young people are dying ?Which is, again, a large part of the reason we have such a large budget deficit. No one is thinking we need to control spending. It's like giving your immature teenager a credit card. And if your immature teenager is a democrat, then it's doubly dangerous.

Feed the sick and children and stop whining about what it costs! Call it a holiday! Decades of spending and now you worry? LUNACY! It was robbery then, it's robbery now, and you're to dumb to call a cop?

Feed the sick and children and stop whining about what it costs! I already know, from sad past exchanges, that you are not talking about yourself. Amazing how easy it is to be bold with everyone else's money, isn't it?


Call it a holiday! Decades of spending and now you worry? LUNACY!I'm the only one of the two of us that has ever had any worry about spending. Lunacy? Yes. Spending money like there's no tomorrow is lunacy. I would have hoped that you would have had some concern for the future of your grandchildren, but apparently not.

Most of my grand kids are grown, and VOTE. They think for themselves and were taught how to strive to thrive and survive no matter what lunatics like you may say, and pray for the ones with life and BS all screwed up. We are for a government that treats everybody with the dignity and respect that should be afforded every citizen equally despite what he has in the bank, and be there to always take care of the least and needy among us. That's just Good Orderly Direction, because we never know when we will be the least or the needy. Stuff happens and our ancestors didn't endure the hardships they did to listen to those that tell them what they should do, and how it's done.

I just ain't buying what you're selling and that's been obvious from the start, and I understand you have no use for my approach to the reality of this life. That's cool, you vote your way and live your own life, and I'll do the same and it's all good. Go whine to a cop if someone is stealing your money, not to me! That fat orange snake you worship steals your money and not a word from you so cry me a river, but stay in your own lane PLEASE.

We are for a government that treats everybody with the dignity and respect that should be afforded every citizen equally despite what he has in the bank, and be there to always take care of the least and needy among us. That's just Good Orderly Direction, because we never know when we will be the least or the needy. Stuff happens and our ancestors didn't endure the hardships they did to listen to those that tell them what they should do, and how it's done.You're free to advocate for what you want. It'd be nice if you and the other liberal dems had some idea of how to pay for it. And please don't start whining about the Trump tax cuts. That's about 200 billion versus a deficit of a trillion. You have to have a plan to pay for it.

And your supposed concern for the "least and needy" among us has already been repeatedly exposed for being fake. You don't care about them. If you did, you would help them yourself. There is no nobility in trying to force other people to care for them.

And your supposed concern for the "least and needy" among us has already been repeatedly exposed for being fake. You don't care about them. If you did, you would help them yourself. There is no nobility in trying to force other people to care for them.
How do you know he doesn't? Remember Matthew 6:2,3 -- "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

How do you know he doesn't?He has stated it. I have suggested he do so on several occasions. I'm not being ugly to him about it. It's just how it is.

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."
that actually does sound like the Democrat plan . Never consider the unintended consequences .Your soul is satisfied by your good intentions .

Burns my butt when bible thumpers preach one thing to you, and do another thing themselves. What are those unintended consequences Tom?

The House passed its covid19 response bill with the dufus giving his approval.

I can think of one unintended consequence ...... permaent dependency on the government .

I can think of one unintended consequence ...... permaent dependency on the government .
That's what happens when abortion is forbidden and those unwanted babies are born.

the left continues to bemoan that not enough children die

That's what happens when abortion is forbidden and those unwanted babies are born.Yes. Much better, in your view I suppose, to kill those children. Otherwise we might have to go back to the old family model of a married father and mother having and responsibly raising children, and we certainly can't have that.

Yes. Much better, in your view I suppose, to kill those children. Otherwise we might have to go back to the old family model of a married father and mother having and responsibly raising children, and we certainly can't have that.
Ah, so happy to know you'll pitch in then to help me and others give what we can to feed and otherwise support those babies!

So in your perfect world you want to 'return' to what happens with those unmarried women who get pregnant?

Ah, so happy to know you'll pitch in then to help me and others give what we can to feed and otherwise support those babies!I'll be happy to. It's the least you can do since you support those who want to see these unborn children dead.


So in your perfect world you want to 'return' to what happens with those unmarried women who get pregnant?Go back to 1960 and look at the data. The out of wedlock birth rate then was a tiny fraction of what it is now. When the numbers are that low, then the situation is much easier to handle. Adoptions would easily take care of that number of children unless, of course, the single mom decided to raise the child herself.

I'll be happy to. It's the least you can do since you support those who want to see these unborn children dead.
When you were 20 and got a young woman pregnant, didn't love her all that much, would you have married her?

Go back to 1960 and look at the data. The out of wedlock birth rate then was a tiny fraction of what it is now. When the numbers are that low, then the situation is much easier to handle. Adoptions would easily take care of that number of children unless, of course, the single mom decided to raise the child herself.
You have no idea how many unreported homestyle abortions there were back then! Plus there were fewer people total than now.

When you were 20 and got a young woman pregnant, didn't love her all that much, would you have married her?
What difference does that make? The out of wedlock birth rate was single digits. It would be great to go back to that.

You have no idea how many homestyle abortions there were back then!Yes, and neither do you. I do know that it was a fraction of what we have now, and yet the out of wedlock birth rate has skyrocketed.

I really don't know why you bother to argue this other than to soothe your conscience concerning your open support of those who advocate for the legalized killing of unborn children.

What difference does that make? The out of wedlock birth rate was single digits. It would be great to go back to that.
The abortions that were REPORTED were in single digits....

Yes, and neither do you. I do know that it was a fraction of what we have now, and yet the out of wedlock birth rate has skyrocketed.
I'm a girl. What do you think girls whisper to each other about??? You guys are always clueless!

I really don't know why you bother to argue this other than to soothe your conscience concerning your open support of those who advocate for the legalized killing of unborn children.
I'm trying to get you to be realistic. 1960 was when the front end of the Baby Boomers was in its early teens. They were a frisky bunch, those Boomers!

The abortions that were REPORTED were in single digits....You have a source for that? At any rate, illegal backroom abortions were very risky and I don't know of anyone who really believes the numbers were anything even close to what we have now. I graduated from high school in 71. We never had a pregnant girl in our class. During my time in high school, I only knew of one girl in our school in that situation. Now it is rampant, so if you are going to try and argue otherwise, you are being extraordinarily foolish.

I'm a girl. What do you think girls whisper to each other about??? You guys are always clueless!So? That added nothing at all to the conversation. I mean you have nothing more than some supposed idea about what girls whisper to each other? That's it???

I'm trying to get you to be realistic. 1960 was when the front end of the Baby Boomers was in its early teens. They were a frisky bunch, those Boomers!How would you know they were any more "frisky" than other generations? How do you know they were not simply the victims of the sexual revolution? Perhaps they were simply less moral than the other generations that preceded them.

What are you advocating for? Do you really believe that what we have now is desirable? Do you really believe that a 70% out of wedlock birth rate amongst blacks is a good thing? Do you really think that a single parent home, all things being equal, is better than a two parent home? Sometimes I really wonder what is wrong with you. I have never come across a confessing Christian as eager to support immoral behavior as you are.

Most people do very well now a days if people would stay out of their business. I mean you beetch about abortions, then you beetch about being forced to feed dem babies. I think you just like to beetch. Hey I ain't mad atcha, I like to beetch too, ain't that why we're here?

An orderly society would be great, but that divorce thing just blows it for many folks. All those human issues and stuff. You seem to blame women, specifically poor women, since females with means and resources ignore your bully crap, but maybe it's us men dropping the ball and screwing things up.

Go ahead preach to me about a better way, how many you have helped and how hard you worked and convince me how right you are and why I should return to the 60's. when life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness was just for white guys and who they approved of. Yeah let's go back to those good old days when you could tell people what to do and punish them when they don't. Can't blame you for missing them good old days.

You seem to blame women, specifically poor women, since females with means and resources ignore your bully crap, but maybe it's us men dropping the ball and screwing things up.Maybe it's both men and women. Does that mean we should just ignore it like liberal dems do, or even celebrate it like Hollywood does?


Go ahead preach to me about a better way, how many you have helped and how hard you worked and convince me how right you are and why I should return to the 60's. when life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness was just for white guys and who they approved of.Poor ole us. You might as well stop your whining since no one is buying any of it. We are talking about out of wedlock birth rates. We were not talking about racial issues, aircraft carriers, Cuba, NATO, Vietnam, Barry Goldwater, LBJ, Kennedy, Montana, the Army, the USSR, or any one of many other topics. We are talking about out of wedlock birth rates. I know you're a liberal dem, but there is no need to play the race card here.

Your race card meme is my reality, and dems don't ignore abortions we don't have them if we don't want them and chanting and raving in front of a PP clinic where less resourced people, men and women go for all sorts of health related reasons ain't worth it. Sure you would love this to be about just your peeve and ignore anybody else's or flat out dismiss them but that don't cut it either, like gays getting married and being responsible parents doesn't count. PP publishes how many abortions they do without fed money, so shut the thing down and do away with the other things they do, and that makes sense to you? Not to me, it's radical right extreme stuff...PUNISHMENT for their sins by those that evoke god, and doctors have been KILLED and injurered to make your point you bully terrorist of young poor women.

The right to an abortion is the law and the right to chose ones own course in life is the law, so get over telling people what to do unless you take over responsibility to feed clothe and educate them too, and walking away and beetching about being FORCED to help the least or the needy is just a nesting way to ignore and dismiss...and for that sin you are guilty.

What are you the only one to proclaim what's a sin now? You stop judging and I might consider it.

Maybe it might be both men and women? You got to be kidding me!

Your race card meme is my reality, and dems don't ignore abortions we don't have them if we don't want them and chanting and raving in front of a PP clinic where less resourced people, men and women go for all sorts of health related reasons ain't worth it.Wow. How prejudiced you are. "Chanting and raving" at a clinic? Not really. The only attention dems give to abortion is to celebrate it and try to expand it.


so get over telling people what to doYou mean like what you are doing right now?


Maybe it might be both men and women? You got to be kidding me!Poor Tal. You never had the "birds and bees" discussion?


The right to an abortion is the law and the right to chose ones own course in life is the law,The right to choose one's own course in life unless, of course, you are still in your mother's womb, in which case you have the right to a gruesome death.

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Your thoughtful reply to, "The right to choose one's own course in life unless, of course, you are still in your mother's womb, in which case you have the right to a gruesome death," is to post a completely irrelevant cartoon? Why am I not surprised.

You shouldn't be surprised that instead of wasting my time repeating myself on your peeve, I returned to the posted topic which is corona virus.

You shouldn't be surprised that instead of wasting my time repeating myself on your peeve, I returned to the posted topic which is corona virus.Way to go! You managed to post your "I don't have the slightest idea" reply twice in one day. Very impressive.

You can spin my responses any way you want my friend, doesn't change the fact I'm not going to waste my time on inane questions to distract from the real issues at hand which is your being stuck in the right wing loony world of your own making. I know you'll spin that as name calling which doesn't address your question, and maybe it is, but since we have all expressed our opinions on abortion repeatedly, why go in that circle yet again?

You trying to cover up you don't have a clue about our response to the corona virus so fall back into your own comfort zone of abortion? I know the door was open so you walked into it, and just won't comeback out. Not surprised at all, as you are easily stuck on your own peeves.

I know you'll spin that as name calling which doesn't address your question,I don't mind the name calling so much as I mind the question dodging. It would be much better if you would simply admit you don't know.

As to our response to the CV response, I'll be happy to discuss it.

Very slow would be my assessment so far and cowardly blaming past administrations for the actions of this one. As things are shutting down in rapid order, I see some huge challenges emerging in addition to the ones already in our face. I see a cash crunch that will grow for a few months at least. Bailing out America looms even larger as we progress through this crisis. This one promises to be the biggest ever though unfortunately.

Very slow would be my assessment so far Matter of opinion. I think he's done fine.


cowardly blaming past administrations for the actions of this one Who has done that?


As things are shutting down in rapid order, I see some huge challenges emerging in addition to the ones already in our face. I see a cash crunch that will grow for a few months at least. Bailing out America looms even larger as we progress through this crisis.Maybe, but the thinking is that as spring progresses and temps warm up, this virus will diminish.


This one promises to be the biggest ever though unfortunately.Biggest crisis ever? Are you kidding? So far it's not even close. The biggest problem we have is unwarranted panic.

The virulent nature of this virus is ongoing, and the more testing is done the more cases we find. It may not be close now, but the rapid rise cannot be ignored even at this early stage, which is more than a month and a half so far.

The virulent nature of this virus is ongoing and the more testing is done the more cases we find. It may not be close now but the rapid rise is cannot be ignored even at this early stage which is more than a month and a half so far.Fair enough as long as it's balanced with some perspective. We have more people killed in car wrecks in an average day than have died from CV during the entire epidemic. I think we will look back on this in six months and wonder why we over-reacted so much, but we'll see how it goes.

I hope you're right because getting cabin fever in the summer time is not something I think I can handle.

This may be the biggest overreaction of all time, especially in the U.S.

All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.

All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.Pretty well said, Vac. Sometimes I think we're becoming a nation of weenies.

I'm wondering if, in three weeks' time or whenever the bars and restaurants reopen, the crowds return to the malls and shops, and all the schools resume classes, will a dormant coronavirus rear its ugly head again.

This may be the biggest overreaction of all time, especially in the U.S.

All of this overstep, in all areas, will end up costing the U.S. billion $$$s in lost revenues...However, if anything good can come out of it, maybe we will start the divorce proceedings with the ChiComs.

I don't know if it's an over reaction as empty shelves in grocery stores, along with school closings, and canceling big events while the market falls greatly, is a scary thing indeed for anyone so effected, but if rich guys are scared and over reacting then what do you expect from everybody else? The only ones not scared seem to be the healthier ones even with the sniffles. If you have no elders, or children involved, then what would you be afraid of?

Areas like Washington state and other big population areas with high rates and climbing fast can't just not do something and shutting everything down is what they did so is that over reacting? What should they be doing if it is? Yeah it's going to be an economic costs but think TRILLION not billions and we have to deal with America before we start anything with anybody else and that includes China.

Even the Russians are building new hospitals just for the rising cases they are experiencing so some panic should be expected when you are faced with the new developments and unknowns associated with them. Obviously business as usual ain't gonna cut it.

Life has inherent risk. When I drive my car I fasten my safety belt. I keep good tires on the car and don't drive drunk. I don't drive too fast or recklessly. I do all of that to mitigate the risk in the hope that I will not be one of the 70 people killed EVERY WEEK in auto crashes, but I still get in my car and drive. I accept that risk as part of living. As far as CV goes, I think it's great to mitigate the risk. Are we going too far? Probably. We'll see. North Korea and Zimbabwe have no CV cases because, basically, no one goes into or out of those countries. Should we be jealous of them? Hardly.

Well the dufus has issued new national guidelines. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/government-response-updates-trump-issues-stricter-guidelines-to-stop-virus-spread/ar-BB11gOhC?ocid=spartanntp) AND says it could last for months. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/live-updates-trump-says-outbreak-could-last-months-and-gatherings-should-be-limited-to-10-people/ar-BB11eTQt?ocid=spartanntp) AND admits the possibility of a recession! (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-us-economy-may-be-sliding-into-recession/ar-BB11h1uu?ocid=spartanntp) Check your state here (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus/stories-by-state/ar-BB119PB3?ocid=spartanntp)

WHAT?

what indeed, this could lead to the great depression of 2020, just because Trump said it. If he doesn't see an upside maybe we should loose all hope. I'm glad I live in the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of Trump

Good God: We lived through times of rampant POLIO (with no vaccine in sight for decades) as well as virulent T.B. that wiped whole families out....then turned around and defeated barbaric Nazis and Japanese: Now we are going to stop living, stop working, and hole-up in our houses and be constantly afraid? Where in the hell is our faith? Where is our intestinal fortitude? Its gut-check time! Stop hiding in the corner and get up and go out and keep living!

The future of our nation is at severe risk if we just lay down and give up....THIS ENTIRE EPISODE IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL! And those that fomented this reaction and overreaction (MEDIA) should really burn in hell for it.

The future of our nation is at severe risk if we just lay down and give up....THIS ENTIRE EPISODE IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT SHAMEFUL! And those that fomented this reaction and overreaction (MEDIA) should really burn in hell for it.I'm not suggesting we send anyone to hell, but that is otherwise a pretty good statement.

The crisis has only just begun and you judge it to be a shameful episode, do you have perfect foresight? because to date what could be done has been done since it wasn't possible to prepare for the unknown. maybe now those FEMA camps will be of use

I don't think he was talking about the government. I think he was talking about the general state of panic that has set in. It doesn't speak well of us as a people.

No people are prone to panic without leadership

Paraclete: All animals need leadership but not all animals act the same in times of strife....there is a huge difference between "being led" and "following": WOLVES configured in a "pack" and are "led" by an Alpha Male and they act as an organized unit. By contrast, cattle are "herd" animals and "follow" the Lead Cow and do not act as an organized unit. Wolf Packs do not panic. Cattle herds will panic. The U.S. is acting like a herd right now: The Leader, our President, is having to fight off a thousand voices of pseudo experts and panic spreader put forth by the media...and the media KNOWS exactly what they are doing, they are doing this with consciousness. If the media had any other motive, other than trying to sow panic and damage The President, they would report FACTS such as giving the DETAILS OF ANY DEATHS (was it a healthy person, what age was the person, what condition was the person in BEFORE they contracted the virus)....Instead, the media has a narrative to fill and in filling that narrative they have torpedoed the U.S. economy, depleted the savings of all citizens having 401Ks, and empowered the Red Chinese (our sworn enemy) who has attacked us with a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON in the form of this virus. And, for those reasons I have given, and for reasons I have yet to give here, that qualifies the media as a FIFTH COLUMN OF COMMUNIST CHINA and it would justify their trials and punishments and if we found direct links to Red China, their executions, as well.

so do you agree or not there is a lack of leadership

Of course it's a lack of leadership on the fed level, because the dufus was not focused on data and facts and took so long to even get with the program and when he did it was a month later, and the states were already doing there thing, and worse he delayed getting resources and supplies where needed, and it was already going to be a logistics nightmare.

Of course it's a lack of leadership on the fed level, because the dufus was not focused on data and facts and took so long to even get with the program and when he did it was a month later, and the states were already doing there thing, and worse he delayed getting resources and supplies where needed, and it was already going to be a logistics nightmare.I guess that explains why we seem to be handling the situation better than the European nations.

I guess that explains why we seem to be handling the situation better than the European nations.

Don't rush to judgement, Europe, mainly Italy was taken unawares, but they will stabilise before you do just as China has, but remember you are yet to put in place the strident measures that other have

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

That would take a ton of evidence. better to focus on mitigating the effects before starting a war.

Don't rush to judgement, Europe, mainly Italy was taken unawares,Interesting how other countries get to use excuses.

Paraclete: It is time to put together a counter-strike against the ChiCom Biological attack: This cannot go unanswered.

Total foolishness, they have more dead than anyone else, how then do you see it as an attack, only a paranoid yankee could think that way

Paraclete: ChiComs are godless Bolsheviks: They have no moral compass and history supports my statement on this: Mao killed 30-40 million of his fellow Chinese! Do you think that the Red Chinese would hesitate to allow a weaponized virus kill some of its own people to legitimize the virus as being a non-weaponized strain? You trust the ChiComs too much, almost as much as the U.S. media trusts the ChiComs. U.S. media is quick to glorify Red China while spouting disparaging remarks about the U.S. and President Trump: This is utter treason and the spewers of this vile crap should be persecuted as well as prosecuted.

Why do you trust ChiComs, anyway?

Paraclete: ChiComs are godless Bolsheviks: They have no moral compass and history supports my statement on this: Mao killed 30-40 million of his fellow Chinese! Do you think that the Red Chinese would hesitate to allow a weaponized virus kill some of its own people to legitimize the virus as being a non-weaponized strain? You trust the ChiComs too much, almost as much as the U.S. media trusts the ChiComs. U.S. media is quick to glorify Red China while spouting disparaging remarks about the U.S. and President Trump: This is utter treason and the spewers of this vile crap should be persecuted as well as prosecuted.

Why do you trust ChiComs, anyway?

That's a lot of speculation and exaggeration especially about media glorifying China, and disparaging the US. The buck stops with the dufus, like any other president during a crisis. Who trusts the Chinese or anybody else for that matter without verifying what they are doing, or have done? One thing we are finding out is US dependence on foreign medical supplies and resources (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/navarro-to-bring-executive-order-to-trump-on-foreign-dependency-on-drugs.html) is making us suckers.

That's not even considering the rural health care systems being woefully under funded for many years either. Look it up.

Talaniman: I must agree with you about the U.S. dependence on foreign medical supplies, ESPECIALLY with belligerent nations like Red China.

Rural healthcare, as I can attest, is woefully inadequate.

But the media is taking Red China at its word as it says that it has this problem under control: How does the media know this? Where, other than out of a communist Chinese do they obtain this kind of information. If a Trump official stated something like this, the media would not believe it but they choose to believe and broadcast ChiCom "state run information" as factual and spew forth ChiCom talking points. This is an issue for me and it should be a problem for all Americans.

Talaniman: I must agree with you about the U.S. dependence on foreign medical supplies, ESPECIALLY with belligerent nations like Red China.

Rural healthcare, as I can attest, is woefully inadequate.

But the media is taking Red China at its word as it says that it has this problem under control: How does the media know this? Where, other than out of a communist Chinese do they obtain this kind of information. If a Trump official stated something like this, the media would not believe it but they choose to believe and broadcast ChiCom "state run information" as factual and spew forth ChiCom talking points. This is an issue for me and it should be a problem for all Americans.

Just because it is reported as stated by whomever, I highly doubt anyone takes it as true fact written in stone. It's been known for decades that whatever they say comes with skepticism, and not just from them, but everyone at least in most quarters, but they must and should report it for sure. Don't panic over reports, and over react yourself. Be cool, more is always revealed later. That also goes for what the dufus has said given what he has been spewing they last 3 years, confusing conservatives about basic truth with his lies and misrepresentations. Too many to ignore. (Said the avowed moderate liberal! 8D)

Doesn't matter what they say, but does matter what you do about it. We seem to need TESTS and TOILET paper immediately.

Doesn't matter what they say, but does matter what you do about it. We seem to need TESTS and TOILET paper immediately.

what we need immediately is sanity, what we have is panic

Sounds like schools in California aren’t going to be in session until the next school year. I’m sad! I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye to my students. Online teaching may be our only option. Yes, they’ll be safer at home, but missing 3 months of true education. Just venting...no need to lecture me.

"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lectured

what we need immediately is sanity, what we have is panic
Well said.


"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lecturedNot well said.


I’m sad! I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye to my students. Online teaching may be our only option. Yes, they’ll be safer at home, but missing 3 months of true education.Bad in a number of ways.

Wonderful thought but not for the young children. They need to learn to read and write. I’m not going to argue. If you’re not a teacher, you don’t understand. Enough said.

Wonderful thought but not for the young children. They need to learn to read and write. I’m not going to argue. If you’re not a teacher, you don’t understand. Enough said.Teach, you are exactly correct. Clete is normally fairly thoughtful in his responses but he completely blew it in suggesting children don't really need to go to school.

Teach, you are exactly correct. Clete is normally fairly thoughtful in his responses but he completely blew it in suggesting children don't really need to go to school.

What I'm suggesting is that children are not harmed by a few days out of school, a new life experience is not harmful

We're not talking about holidays or snow days here though, this may well be a protracted absense, but online education is the option and maybe that means targeting those that don't have that option. Even that is a challenge for kids with no devices or connections. Be a great time to address those shortcoming among other faults in the system that this health event has exposed, but kids need sunshine exercise and physical interaction to learn and lack of those things are a can of worms being opened.

No doubt this is a huge crisis that affects us all and the long term affects have yet to be felt.

Thanks for your support!!!

working from home is being thrust on many of us . Probably over due . I've said for a long time that if on line education was avaiable to me when I was in college I would've taken the opportunity .For those of us who did school and a full time job it really would've made a difference in my time management .

What I'm suggesting is that children are not harmed by a few days out of school, a new life experience is not harmfulThat's a fair enough statement, but it's a long way away from what you first said.


"True education" is experiencing life, not being shut in a class room, so yes you do need to be lectured.


Even that is a challenge for kids with no devices or connections. Be a great time to address those shortcoming among other faults in the system that this health event has exposed,Yes. Get a job and buy a two hundred dollar Chromebook . Simple enough.

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So the "money grows on trees" mentality has firmly taken hold of both political parties. We'll just send out a trillion dollars in direct payments to people, most of whom don't need it, with no earthly idea of how to responsibly pay for it. Pitiful. Only Lindsey Graham seems to be standing against this lunacy. Even American Family Radio was bragging about it. It sure has the appearance of election year vote purchasing. Worse yet, the American people are beginning to get used to this craziness. The idea of saving up for rainy days is replaced by, "The feds will take of me. Blessed be the name of the Federal Government."

On the bright side, think of how much toilet paper a person can buy with a thousand bucks!

That's a fair enough statement, but it's a long way away from what you first said.

Yes. Get a job and buy a two hundred dollar Chromebook . Simple enough.

why is it you take things to the extreme

I thought I made it simple. Besides, you jumped on the teacher and suggested she should be lectured. You like to give lectures but not take them?

I thought I made it simple. Besides, you jumped on the teacher and suggested she should be lectured. You like to give lectures but not take them?

The safest place for children in this crisis is not school they need to be in a place where they can exercise individual space, schools are not organised that way, and childhood behaviour is the opposite. We all know that children spread sickness easily, this is what I meant by education and being lectured

working from home is being thrust on many of us . Probably over due . I've said for a long time that if on line education was avaiable to me when I was in college I would've taken the opportunity .For those of us who did school and a full time job it really would've made a difference in my time management .

There was no online in them days pahdna!

The safest place for children in this crisis is not school they need to be in a place where they can exercise individual space, schools are not organised that way, and childhood behaviour is the opposite. We all know that children spread sickness easily, this is what I meant by education and being lectured

Yes, children are safer at home right now. But to say that my students, who are learning keyboarding skills, will be able to navigate through online education is unrealistic. They will not receive the same education as being in my classroom. Due to school closures, we have no choice. Don’t argue with me about how to educate children, unless you’ve taught 30 students on your own with no assistance. I’ve had as many as 43, but this year, 30. My post was one of sadness, but you were unkind. My students definitely know what being kind means.

Yes, children are safer at home right now. But to say that my students, who are learning keyboarding skills, will be able to navigate through online education is unrealistic. They will not receive the same education as being in my classroom. Due to school closures, we have no choice. Don’t argue with me about how to educate children, unless you’ve taught 30 students on your own with no assistance. I’ve had as many as 43, but this year, 30. My post was one of sadness, but you were unkind. My students definitely know what being kind means.

I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does. You are still focused on conveying knowledge, but a couple of months won't matter as much as keeping them safe

I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does.Reality? Many of them will learn next to nothing at home. They're not college students capable of independent work. It's a total negative. It will be two months largely wasted.

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.

We are talking about lives here, the kids will bounce back once they are back in school but what is more important?

I call them as I see them, gentility doesn't work in this situation, reality does. You are still focused on conveying knowledge, but a couple of months won't matter as much as keeping them safe

Kids are so resilient and as long as parents keep a cool loving head they too will adjust to this crisis event with the rest of us. Unfortunately parents are not teachers in most cases, but what stops parents and teachers from working out some kind of plan for kids to stay engaged in the learning process? As the teach said we have no choice, but to structure alternatives for a while where communities are battling a bigger foe and go from there, because there are no options in the abject failure, of doing nothing. Schools may be closed, but as the heart of any community they are still engaged in school activities along with the first responders that supports them, and that's not a bad thing. So what if it's not perfect as it was folks, we still must rise to the challenge of people being at home, as massive unemployment looms large. Does that mean we get with gloom and doom? No way, lol, maybe the lesson is getting closer to the kids and appreciating the teachers who taught them and virtually raised them while parents worked. Yeah the onus has shifted and if I had kids and the school was closed I would sure be talking to my kids teachers to help them not fall so far behind during these times. What you don't know your kids teacher, or have any way to contact them? That's your fault parent! Have heart though that can be corrected, and I reject the notion that any community cannot keep the kids safe, and convey a good level of learning until the storm is over. May be a while.


Reality? Many of them will learn next to nothing at home. They're not college students capable of independent work. It's a total negative. It will be two months largely wasted.

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.

Reality is that things are much different in the big city, than the small rural areas around them. Size does matter!

The ramifications of this Chinese sneak attack will reverberate through the U.S. for the next 30-40 years....It will destroy a generation of our young people: When our young people see how GUTLESS the elders and those in power above them are, they will be forever negatively formed into the same gutless masses.

LOL, the talk of WMD got us Iraq, and you are proposing excalating that Iraq stuff against China? The US is shutdown right now and you want a war? Let me get back to you after I stock up on toilet paper.

We are talking about lives here, the kids will bounce back once they are back in school but what is more important?No one is arguing that the kids don't need to be home. The point of contention is the belief you seem to have that being in school is not important.




Reality is that things are much different in the big city, than the small rural areas around them. Size does matter!


What does that have to do with kids not being in school?

The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?

Teacher, 43 is a lot. What grade level? I was in education for 34 years and never saw a classroom even close to that size other than, possibly, in high school. The biggest class I can remember that I had was in the high twenties.[/QUOTE]
43 was 4th grade. It was awful. I was like an assembly line trying to see who understood, and who did not. Currently, I have (or had ) 30 Kindergarteners. Honestly, it is a big group, but manageable. Good classroom management is the key and this particular group was wonderful!

Talaniman: Not proposing war with Red China.....proposing that we don't submit to a Red Chinese Sneak Attack by changing our lives in the here and now. When the Islamic terrorists attacked us on 911, our society was changed and our freedoms were diminished by a bunch of NeoCons. We should be TOTALLY UNWILLING FOR A DAMNED CHINESE COMMUNIST VIRUS TO TAKE AWAY MORE OF OUR FREEDOMS!

The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?It makes no difference. Yes, things are different in some regards in big cities. They are better in some ways and worse in others. So what's the point?


43 was 4th grade. It was awful. I was like an assembly line trying to see who understood, and who did not. Currently, I have (or had ) 30 Kindergarteners. Honestly, it is a big group, but manageable. Good classroom management is the key and this particular group was wonderful!30 kindergartners in one class? Do you have a TA? Do you mind if I ask what state you're in? Just curious. In Mississippi it would be a violation of state standards to have that many in any lower elementary grade classroom. If I remember correctly, I think 27 was the K limit and that was with a mandated TA.

It makes no difference. Yes, things are different in some regards in big cities. They are better in some ways and worse in others. So what's the point?

I tell Clete all the time that size does matter and if you think it doesn't just consider that an apple tree feeds so many, and for some populations you need more than one apple tree. You need a rather large orchard. Yeah it makes a big difference and again, that's my point. Hope your small rural town has more than one apple tree.

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Obviously TJ is in a larger community than yours. I never heard of a class size of 27 nor did my kids. Size does matter, my point AGAIN.

I’m in California. I live in a rural area but commute to a city of 200,000 to work. I have no aides! I do it all myself, although parents come to volunteer when they can. That being said, my school is an amazing public school, in the top 5% in the U.S.


The whole approach to helping millions is entirely different than hundred and thousands just in scope and scale. How many schools does your neck of the woods service?

I have to be careful with answering this one. We aren’t a gigantic school district, but we aren’t tiny, either. I can say that my school is public, and we have a wait list to get in. Students are chosen by lottery to get in.

Obviously TJ is in a larger community than yours. I never heard of a class size of 27 nor did my kids. Size does matter, my point AGAIN.Thank you for pointing out the most obvious thing in the universe.


I can say that my school is public, and we have a wait list to get in. Students are chosen by lottery to get in.Charter school?

Charter school?
No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.

No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.Sounds like a good deal. I have long considered it amazing that parents cannot simply send their kids to the schools they choose. We lost a lot when the government started telling parents where to send their children.

jlisenbe: Must agree about Government intervention in schooling....they screw up most all they touch....and when they started merging EDUCATION with FAMILY BUSINESS in schools, they really fouled things up! Government long wanted to dictate terms about family rearing and used the school system to get its nose under the tent: What a mess they have made!

Sounds like a good deal. I have long considered it amazing that parents cannot simply send their kids to the schools they choose. We lost a lot when the government started telling parents where to send their children.

Exactly when was that? How did they do that?


jlisenbe: Must agree about Government intervention in schooling....they screw up most all they touch....and when they started merging EDUCATION with FAMILY BUSINESS in schools, they really fouled things up! Government long wanted to dictate terms about family rearing and used the school system to get its nose under the tent: What a mess they have made!

You lost me please explain that statement.


Charter school?
No, it’s not. It is considered a school of choice. Definitely hard to get in. All names go into a lottery. Teachers’ kids don’t always get in. It’s amazing. I’ve never worked so hard in my entire career, but the work we do is so rewarding.

You sound like most teachers I have known that loves kids and love teaching them stuff.

Exactly when was that? How did they do that?Basically started with busing in the sixties. It is now at the point where, in the last school I was in, parents living literally in sight of the school had to send their kids ten miles away to the school preferred by a federal judge. That is basically nationwide. What the parent desires doesn't matter. It's what the almighty government says that settles the issue. In the prior district I worked in, parents could send their kids to a different school so long as they transported them. We had about a hundred of those transfer kids. Had nothing to do with race as the school was 90% black and practically all of the transfer kids were black. A few years ago the almighty local gov decided they didn't want to allow that anymore, so that was that. It is absolutely nationwide.

Comments from yesterday by dem. Governor Cuomo.

"I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help,” said Cuomo. “I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken are evidence of that.”“His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it,” the Democrat continued. “His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York.”

Cuomo then said the two leaders are setting an example for all those around the country in how to deal and treat those who may disagree with one another politically.

https://www.diamondandsilk.com/blog/2020/03/18/ny-gov-praises-trump-admin-theyve-everything-can-want-say-thank/?fbclid=IwAR20al4G0DyZZSZiXuhvaqPMUFLDosEPrcGNKx7F 9fvPcoqPTAlanz_FceI

Basically started with busing in the sixties. It is now at the point where, in the last school I was in, parents living literally in sight of the school had to send their kids ten miles away to the school preferred by a federal judge. That is basically nationwide. What the parent desires doesn't matter. It's what the almighty government says that settles the issue. In the prior district I worked in, parents could send their kids to a different school so long as they transported them. We had about a hundred of those transfer kids. Had nothing to do with race as the school was 90% black and practically all of the transfer kids were black. A few years ago the almighty local gov decided they didn't want to allow that anymore, so that was that. It is absolutely nationwide.

Boy I would sure like to explore the details of your summary, raises many questions as I remember the struggles of the 60's as almost entirely about race mixing in response to white flight, and the disparities in educational funding as a result. When no solutions can be made locally, minorities had little choice but call the feds in, and the courts.

I can certainly understand being on the losing end of some of those court cases, and the resentments of being told what your doing ain't fair.


Comments from yesterday by dem. Governor Cuomo.

"I spoke to the president this morning again. He is ready, willing, and able to help,” said Cuomo. “I think the president was 100% sincere in saying that he wanted to work together in partnership and in a spirit of cooperation. Steps he has taken are evidence of that.”“His team has been on it. I know a team when they are on it. I know a team when they are not on it,” the Democrat continued. “His team is on it. They have been responsive late at night, early in the morning. And they’ve thus far been doing everything that they can do, and I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it, and they will have nothing but cooperation and partnership from the state of New York.”

Cuomo then said the two leaders are setting an example for all those around the country in how to deal and treat those who may disagree with one another politically.

https://www.diamondandsilk.com/blog/2020/03/18/ny-gov-praises-trump-admin-theyve-everything-can-want-say-thank/?fbclid=IwAR20al4G0DyZZSZiXuhvaqPMUFLDosEPrcGNKx7F 9fvPcoqPTAlanz_FceI

Cuomo is a polished politician isn't he.

I can certainly understand being on the losing end of some of those court cases, and the resentments of being told what your doing ain't fair.When the gov starts acting like the children belong to it rather than to the parents, then everyone loses.

So the judge was biased after hearing both sides of the case? Why wasn't his ruling fair to the kids involved?

So the judge was biased after hearing both sides of the case? Why wasn't his ruling fair to the kids involved?Which ruling are you referring to?

Which ruling are you referring to?

The ones you said ruled that kids had to go to schools they told them too against the wishes of the parents.

If you are referring to the ruling in the school where I worked, parents had built homes within sight of the school for the express purpose of being able to send their children to our school. A fed judge ruled that those kids had to go to another school about ten miles away, so the parents ended up with homes ten miles from their school as opposed to right across the highway. So no, it was not fair, but much worse than that, it amounts to the government making a decision that the parents should be making.

The only semi-large city in our county has been going downhill for forty years and for a simple reason. A judge decades ago ruled that children living in the city HAD to attend city schools. Many of the white families involved decided to simply move out to the county because they did not like the city schools. The result is that the city has lost about a fourth of its population. Vacant/dilapidated houses are all over the place. The city schools performance is lousy. Crime is a serious problem. It's probably too late now, but if someone had had the good sense to say, "You can send your kids to whatever school you choose," then the problem would have been solved. As it turns out, the schools are still segregated, but segregated due to geography, so nothing was achieved other than making the problem even worse.

If you are referring to the ruling in the school where I worked, parents had built homes within sight of the school for the express purpose of being able to send their children to our school. A fed judge ruled that those kids had to go to another school about ten miles away, so the parents ended up with homes ten miles from their school as opposed to right across the highway. So no, it was not fair, but much worse than that, it amounts to the government making a decision that the parents should be making.

Why did the judge rule that way as the logic escapes me. What was the purpose? What were they trying to achieve?


The only semi-large city in our county has been going downhill for forty years and for a simple reason. A judge decades ago ruled that children living in the city HAD to attend city schools. Many of the white families involved decided to simply move out to the county because they did not like the city schools. The result is that the city has lost about a fourth of its population. Vacant/dilapidated houses are all over the place. The city schools performance is lousy. Crime is a serious problem. It's probably too late now, but if someone had had the good sense to say, "You can send your kids to whatever school you choose," then the problem would have been solved. As it turns out, the schools are still segregated, but segregated due to geography, so nothing was achieved other than making the problem even worse.

How eerily similar the effects of white flight and the aftermath, between my hometown and the city you reference.

How eerily similar the effects of white flight and the aftermath, between my hometown and the city you reference.If the white families had been left to their own choices about schools, then there would have much less flight. This is still a nation built upon the concept of maximum personal freedom.


Why did the judge rule that way as the logic escapes me. What was the purpose? What were they trying to achieve?I give the judge a little lee-way in this case. Our school was built on a county line and the district originally included students from both counties. That was changed decades ago and I'm not certain as to why, but I think it was because of fed ordered integration. At any rate, our neighboring district decided they wanted those students, so like good government employees, they ran around the wishes of the parents and got their way.

obviously you have learned nothing in the last 150 years

I'm sure you'll tell us all about it. You usually do.

No, I don't understand rampant racism

If the white families had been left to their own choices about schools, then there would have much less flight. This is still a nation built upon the concept of maximum personal freedom.

Maximum freedom for some and not others you mean, because while that's what the words may say, or IMPLY, but that's not how it actually worked, as there have always been exceptions and exclusions, which still exist to this day. Those good old days of the 60's you referenced earlier was all about people trying to maximize their freedom after 100 years of the end of slavery.


No, I don't understand rampant racism

It's not as rampant, but well enough hidden as to be plausibly denied, and still powerful and insidious.

Those good old days of the 60's you referenced earlier was all about people trying to maximize their freedom after 100 years of the end of slavery.Those were not good ole days. Segregation was a terrible idea and good riddance. Taking away the authority of parents was a bad idea as well.


No, I don't understand rampant racismGood to hear you say there is something you don't understand.

Isn't the whole basis of white flight about segregation? So how is it over? What is t about the local public schools that triggers this white flight? I have an idea just from what I have seen in my own hometown, but would be interested in your ideas also.

These parents want their kids in high-performing schools. It's just that simple. In our area the county schools largely do well, and the city schools stink. There is also a cultural element involved in it. The differences between the two school systems is so dramatic that I don't see any way to turn back the clock.

Tell me more about this cultural element, and I would also be interested in why those public schools stink so bad. I've always held it was funding more than almost anything else, as well as the quality of teachers and support systems essential to the kids well being, even with cultural differences. While I have no problem with school choice, I highly am against bad public schools through neglect for any reason.

The behavior in the city schools is pretty bad. The language used by the kids is bad. Multiple high school girls pregnant is something that many parents don't want their kids seeing, especially when it's basically just yawned at. They are flooded with kids from single parent homes, and that is a different dynamic. If you don't believe that, then go work in a public school for a couple of years and come back and tell me about it. Sagging pants is a red flag for many parents. Valuing athletics more than academics is a huge problem.

The public schools in the city stink because they struggle to keep students disciplined. It has nothing to do with funding. I worked in both districts. The city had money that flowed like a river compared to the county. It was a much better situation. That is also true, by the way, in famous failed school situations like D.C. and Chicago. They have lots of money. Teacher quality might be an issue, but that is a problem they brought on themselves. They don't value quality the way they need to, and that seems to be especially true for white teachers. They do have some good employees. I worked with and appreciated many of them, but they are inadequately supported, or at least that's how it seems to me.

They do manage to have a big celebration of Black History month every year. And yes, that was sarcastic.

Their biggest problem, in my view, is the fact that they don't value success. They have become accustomed to being mediocre, and so they don't identify what needs to happen to become successful. They aren't prepared to make the unpleasant decisions needed to become successful. It's not just a school problem, it's a city problem. We're OK with just being OK.

Might add that both of our kids went through the city schools. That is a decision I regret greatly to this day.

Let me tell you a bit about my school. We are considered a high poverty area based on zip code. We had an idea, (the school district), to create a public school with very high expectations, no transportation provided, uniforms required, and spots available for students by lottery only. Teachers were hired based on excellence and experience. We couldn’t quite fill the school year one, but we became one of the top ten schools in CA the first year based on state test scores. Since the second year, we have an average of 400 waiting for each grade level. We became a model for other public schools. A lot of visits from neighboring states to see what we are doing, as well as CA schools. Will it work everywhere? Probably not due to no transportation provided, but it does allow everyone a chance to get in. We have a few before and after school programs that provide transportation to the school, and it continues to work. Fingers crossed we get back to work when the danger of the Coronavirus has dissipated.

Show me a kid with behavior that crosses the lines of good behavior, and I will show you a kid with unaddressed issues. It's easy to broad brush a problem, and say they, but much harder to to ask WHY. Unnacceptable to write them off. That solves nothing. You say it has nothing to do with funding, guess again as teachers need support, that costs money, be it classroom aides, or simply having people they can refer such kids with bad behavior too. Testing and solutions cost money, a nurse floating between schools ain't cutting it. social workers with high case loads ain't cutting it, and economically challenged parents with no support system doesn't cut it either.

A kid in school with his pants down around his ankles is because the school allows it, and doesn't address it. A school without those social supports to address the unique needs of it's students is inadequate, and under funded, and under served, plain and simple. Schools have always been the heart of a community and could be counted on to serve the needs of that community and now they don't! That's the problem. So while your waiting for those single parents to get spouses, probably be a good idea to figure out how best to serve those single parent families.

Got any ideas in that regard?

It's amazing how much you know about running a school when you have never so much as taught a single day in one. Saying that "a kid with behavior that crosses the lines of good behavior, and I will show you a kid with unaddressed issues," is basically nothing. It's true sometimes,but with many kids, they are just kids being kids but who are not disciplined at home so they think they can do as they please. No one is writing anyone off so you can just stop your theatrics. Your funding comments are meaningless. If you want to say that the city schools should address these issues, then that's fine, but that doesn't mean parents should be forced to send their kids to those schools. Simplistic statements don't count for much. I have a lot of ideas. When I was principal of one of those schools, and when we had a really good staff, then the school performed very well. But then they had to go out and hire a liberal, northern superintendent who was pathetic, and so the wheels fell off the cart. But like I said. When the community is OK with being just OK, then you have your problem right there.

Kids have issues, people have issues what it translates into are generational issues and problems, the nanny state mentality has reduced society to wimpish behaviour

the nanny state mentality has reduced society to wimpish behaviourSo very true.

It's amazing how much you know about running a school when you have never so much as taught a single day in one. Saying that "a kid with behavior that crosses the lines of good behavior, and I will show you a kid with unaddressed issues," is basically nothing. It's true sometimes,but with many kids, they are just kids being kids but who are not disciplined at home so they think they can do as they please. No one is writing anyone off so you can just stop your theatrics. Your funding comments are meaningless. If you want to say that the city schools should address these issues, then that's fine, but that doesn't mean parents should be forced to send their kids to those schools. Simplistic statements don't count for much. I have a lot of ideas. When I was principal of one of those schools, and when we had a really good staff, then the school performed very well. But then they had to go out and hire a liberal, northern superintendent who was pathetic, and so the wheels fell off the cart. But like I said. When the community is OK with being just OK, then you have your problem right there.

Did I hit a nerve there bud? Must I be a school administrator to decide whether a school is good or bad? I'm a parent and have been quite closed and hands on in whatever schools my kids have attended, which often involved school boards and city counsels, so drop the arrogance. Yes schools should address those issues and effectively, and yes parents should have choices about the schools they send their kids to and know the process involved in doing so. That's a LOCAL issue dude. You seem stuck in many areas about somebody forcing you to do something you feel entitled to do and that's fine until you assign blame.

Case in point who hired the pathetic northern liberal superintendent who took the wheels off and how did he do it single handedly?

Yes schools should address those issues and effectively, and yes parents should have choices about the schools they send their kids to and know the process involved in doing so. That's a LOCAL issue dude. You were going really well until you made your last titanically incorrect statement about that being a LOCAL issue. That tells me you know next to nothing about schools. It is not merely local. There are state laws, state regs, fed laws, fed regs, and fed court decisions to try and wade through first.


You seem stuck in many areas about somebody forcing you to do something you feel entitled to do and that's fine until you assign blame.Until I assign blame, kind of like you do all the time???


Case in point who hired the pathetic northern liberal superintendent who took the wheels off and how did he do it single handedly?If you really knew much about schools, you'd know that the Board of Ed does the hiring. They specifically wanted a black man to run things. He was a complete incompetent, but it still goes back to the community. It's really hard for any school to rise above the community.

What board of education made you hire a black man?

I thought you said you knew something about schools? The Board of Ed must approve any and all hires, and they actually make the decision of who to hire as Super. It is their decision. It was not MY hire, it was their hire. There were many good, competent black men they could have hired, but this guy was pretty bad

So the feds hired him and not the state or local board? What did he do that was so bad and who fired him for it?

So the feds hired him and not the state or local board?That is rather plainly not what I said. " The Board of Ed must approve any and all hires, and they actually make the decision of who to hire as Super."

I merely asked a question, so why not just answer it, if you know, since I suspect from your other posts the COUNTY school district hired the liberal black guy from the north, and please elaborate how he got the wheels to come off, and what was done about it?

I merely asked a question, so why not just answer it, if you know, since I suspect from your other posts the COUNTY school district hired the liberal black guy from the north, and please elaborate how he got the wheels to come off, and what was done about it?Here's the problem. You asked a question that concerned the feds hiring the guy. Well, if you had read what I posted, you would have known the feds did not do the hiring. Now you are asking a question as to why the county hired him, but it was not the county but the city who hired him. That gets a little frustrating.

Why he failed? He did not pay attention to what he was doing. He did not visit the schools. He did not support the teachers. There was a case of a 9th grade student walking up and punching a female teacher. The man never even checked on her, and the student was sent home with his parent rather than having his arse arrested as should have happened. When you lose your teachers, it's over with.

Here's the problem. You asked a question that concerned the feds hiring the guy. Well, if you had read what I posted, you would have known the feds did not do the hiring. Now you are asking a question as to why the county hired him, but it was not the county but the city who hired him. That gets a little frustrating.

Sorry for the frustration in communicating, just trying to pinpoint your specific process for hiring.


Why he failed? He did not pay attention to what he was doing. He did not visit the schools. He did not support the teachers. There was a case of a 9th grade student walking up and punching a female teacher. The man never even checked on her, and the student was sent home with his parent rather than having his arse arrested as should have happened. When you lose your teachers, it's over with.

Was there a consent decree in place at that time? Was this just one of many similar events and was the superintendent fired, as we did discuss before such action that lead to a DOJ investigation, and lawsuit, so just trying to ascertain if this was related.

Thanks for your patience in advance as I wrap my head around the timeline of events.

Was there a consent decree in place at that time? Was this just one of many similar events and was the superintendent fired, as we did discuss before such action that lead to a DOJ investigation, and lawsuit, so just trying to ascertain if this was related.The consent decree came about after this guy was hired. He had basically nothing to do with that. That was a political show put on by the SCLC. I don't think he was fired. As I remember, he resigned to go elsewhere.

Thanks guy, but let me ask if things are better since those events, regarding testing outcomes and school disciplines? Correct me if I'm wrong but those events happened many years ago so I guess what I'm asking is the changes made to make things better?

I don't know of any real changes made to make things better. The new super is definitely an improvement, but I'll say again, when you're OK with just being OK, then good luck. Schools are typically no better than what the community insists on.

On that we can agree. Are Ms. schools still open?

No. They're closed until some point in April.

How about restaurants bars and sporting events where there are big crowds?

All sporting events have been cancelled. I think a few restaurants are still open but most are carry-out only. I don't know about the bars.

The dufus said yesterday he is considering opening stuff back up because the cure is worse than the disease, so health crisis may be over.

the economy cannot weather many more days off. As it is many of these small businesses being FORCED to shut down will not recover .

My understanding is that as the ability to test for CV increases, then the mass closings will become less and less necessary. It can't happen fast enough. But then those money trees in D.C. are always blooming.

If they find that more people than they thought have the virus then we see more closings. So far no place in America has shown that the virus is slowing down, just the opposite as more testing is done.

If they find that more people than they thought have the virus then we see more closings. So far no place in America has shown that the virus is slowing down, just the opposite as more testing is done.
It appears to take anything up to three months for the infections to peak so you are not out of the woods yet but by easter you may see some relief and trump may prove right

I like your optimism but 20 days seems unrealistic. 60 days? I don't see that either considering how tepid the response is thus far.

Yes but miracles still happen trump has decreed it

I have no faith in the dufus decrees let alone miracles of which he has but one...he got elected.

Tal I believe that the testing alone is going to show an artificial increase in the virus but not a real exponential one. Right now testing isnt at its highest levels so it only shows that the "facts" are just artificial projections.

BTW I hope you and your family are safe.

Tal I believe that the testing alone is going to show an artificial increase in the virus but not a real exponential one. Right now testing isnt at its highest levels so it only shows that the "facts" are just artificial projections.

BTW I hope you and your family are safe.

Same to you Cdad, been a while, bet your kids are grown by now! 8D

Only widespread testing can give us an accurate picture unless hospitals start turning people away.

Tal I believe that the testing alone is going to show an artificial increase in the virus but not a real exponential one. Right now testing isnt at its highest levels so it only shows that the "facts" are just artificial projections. Already testing is giving great results ;but inaccurate ones since people who presumably don't have it are NOT being tested then we don't have a true denominator to work with . I think the results will confirm an over reaction . But at this point it is neither here nor there . The die is cast and we have to learn the hard way as a society that the cure is worse than the illness. I really do hope that those who predict a V recovery are right . I have my doubts ;the ugly hand of government intervention has been unleashed

What government intervention? States and locals have been scrambling waiting on an intervention. That's why the dufus considering opening up parts of the economy is crapola for dumb people, since he nor the feds have shut anything down. You think states and locals will listen to him if he tries that? Naw, just bluster for the stupid, and no doubt he walks that back citing the scientist made me do it.