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paraclete
Dec 6, 2019, 05:06 PM
At last, a conservative government somewhere is going to turf out those leftist leaning public servants. I know public servants are supposed to be apolitical but reality tells us they are not. in the wake of the failed robodebt system something had to give, and here it is, heads rolling all across the public service and it couldn't happen in a nicer place

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-07/scott-morrison-australian-public-sector-sidelined-for-ministers/11775144

talaniman
Dec 7, 2019, 02:47 AM
I fail to see how purging the corrupt liberals and replacing them with corrupt conservatives helps you Aussies.

paraclete
Dec 7, 2019, 05:40 AM
I fail to see how purging the corrupt liberals and replacing them with corrupt conservatives helps you Aussies.

Well if you get rid of subversion in high places things change. If you get rid of stubborn resistance to change, things change. If you get rid of over reliance on technology, things change and if you get rid of a leftist agenda, things change. first we got rid of Turncoat and things changed, now some of the agenda he espoused will be reversed

talaniman
Dec 7, 2019, 06:17 AM
Same here Clete, get rid of the libs and the conservatives are happy cause they get to do righty stuff until the next purge cycle.

paraclete
Dec 7, 2019, 01:31 PM
Excepting Tal this time the broom is sweeping the crap out

talaniman
Dec 7, 2019, 04:03 PM
Looks like the same old corrupt conservatives like last time you guys purged the lefties.

paraclete
Dec 7, 2019, 04:48 PM
Looks like the same old corrupt conservatives like last time you guys purged the lefties.

No, our electoral system ensures a fresh crop often, gone are the days of Little John, the budgee-smuggler and Turncoat and the lefties are looking sad. Albo no longer sings the Party tune, but we have a few leftover lefties we will let you have cheap, it will increase the IQ of both countries

talaniman
Dec 7, 2019, 05:46 PM
That's sounds great a new crop of corrupt politicians, but keep your old ones as we have plenty already, always waiting for the next election. Fortunately we have a lot of retirements this cycle so a new face is almost a certainty here, and enough loonies to make IQ's null and void, if not totally useless. This is the longest silly season I think I've ever endured and the circus promises to never leave town, exhausting my taste for white cheddar popcorn.

paraclete
Dec 7, 2019, 06:49 PM
That's sounds great a new crop of corrupt politicians, but keep your old ones as we have plenty already, always waiting for the next election. Fortunately we have a lot of retirements this cycle so a new face is almost a certainty here, and enough loonies to make IQ's null and void, if not totally useless. This is the longest silly season I think I've ever endured and the circus promises to never leave town, exhausting my taste for white cheddar popcorn.

I understand, sometimes you think it will never end, but with a prima donna in the WH, what can you expect. Now if we stood a few journos against the wall maybe the media will settle down and report the news instead of the ravings

talaniman
Dec 8, 2019, 05:26 AM
Let Vlad and the dictator types do the dastardly deeds though I can understand the sentiments but we all know there is life after the dufus, just have to endure until we get there.

Vacuum7
Dec 9, 2019, 08:55 AM
Talaniman: If you can hold your breath and endure it five more years, you'll have outlived Trump's Presidency....of course, by then, the SCOTUS will be filled with Right minded people and there will be no way to circumvent that obstacle, its insurmountable.

I'll never forget the look of shear horror, fear, and frustration on the faces of the little snowflakes when they found out Trump won the election: PRICELESS! And that was BEFORE the Russia Investigation or the Impeachment Inquiry: They must be torn up inside at this moment.

This is why we need a 3rd Party in the U.S.: Its like going to a Seafood Restaurant and ordering steak...yes, it will look like a steak but it will smell and taste liked seafood.....A 3rd Party will be the tie-breaker and will make the difference be same old same old and a new direction.

talaniman
Dec 9, 2019, 03:18 PM
Talaniman: If you can hold your breath and endure it five more years, you'll have outlived Trump's Presidency....of course, by then, the SCOTUS will be filled with Right minded people and there will be no way to circumvent that obstacle, its insurmountable.

I have survived every president no matter what they did and chances are I will survive this one too. Judges don't mean squat when they are charged with the rule of law and if they step across that line they will get removed for cause. That's the way it works, so a judges politics is irrelevant to me. Not so much on the right though and it's an excuse to allow a lying cheating dufus in the WH to enforce their right wing agenda they think. Like the majority of America will allow that!

We'll see!


I'll never forget the look of shear horror, fear, and frustration on the faces of the little snowflakes when they found out Trump won the election: PRICELESS! And that was BEFORE the Russia Investigation or the Impeachment Inquiry: They must be torn up inside at this moment.

That we could put a lying cheating dufus in the WH was and is unthinkable, yet happened, and maybe that reality will get everybody to exercise their right to vote. That's the lesson to be learned from 2016.


This is why we need a 3rd Party in the U.S.: Its like going to a Seafood Restaurant and ordering steak...yes, it will look like a steak but it will smell and taste liked seafood.....A 3rd Party will be the tie-breaker and will make the difference be same old same old and a new direction.

I ain't holding my breathe while you guys look for someone to fill that bill. That may take an awful long time and something that may not happen in my lifetime, or yours, so I suggest you not hold your breath either. You'll be blue before you get older.

Not a good look!

paraclete
Dec 9, 2019, 05:17 PM
We'll see!

That we could put a lying cheating dufus in the WH was and is unthinkable, yet happened, and maybe that reality will get everybody to exercise their right to vote. That's the lesson to be learned from 2016.


Not a good look!

You do know Tal there is one way to get everyone to exercise their right to vote, and that is what you do for every other omission, you fine them, not a big fine, but just enough to get their attention, and you know what happens, they all roll up to the polls. This means the silent majority get to express their wish, rather than get splinters in their bum sitting on the fence complaining about the outcome. This makes the politicians work because they know they have to convince the fence-sitters, which no amount of razzle-dazzle will do. The other thing you could do is have the government limit political contributions or just have the government fund the whole process removing the undue influence of big money. But NO!, you would never do these things and so you survive

talaniman
Dec 9, 2019, 05:34 PM
I actually like your ideas Clete, and have to add more, shut the country down for election day, or even better expand electronic early voting. If you can securely buy shoes or move your money around with a smart phone why can't we vote that way? if rich guys have a super computer to fascilitate millions of tansactions a day, why can't we vote that way?

It's not like we can't do better, we obviously don't want too.

Vacuum7
Dec 9, 2019, 06:49 PM
Talaniman: If you are afraid of RUSSIAN interference in the U.S. Election Process, you should be afraid of ELECTRONIC VOTING: The an organized Russian crime syndicate, a few years ago, made a tremendous haul out of Kentucky bank through electronic accounts manipulation over a single weekend. Electronic Voting is not without risks.

Paraclete: Our LAWYERS would not let voting become compulsatory: They would come up with some lame arse excuse that it would "infringe" upon some idiot's Civil Rights. THE U.S. HAS TOO MANY LAWYERS: We need more common sense. The danger I see with Compulsatory Voting is that they could now come to understand WHO YOU VOTED FOR: Its none of their business.

paraclete
Dec 9, 2019, 06:58 PM
Talaniman: If you are afraid of RUSSIAN interference in the U.S. Election Process, you should be afraid of ELECTRONIC VOTING: The an organized Russian crime syndicate, a few years ago, made a tremendous haul out of Kentucky bank through electronic accounts manipulation over a single weekend. Electronic Voting is not without risks.

Paraclete: Our LAWYERS would not let voting become compulsatory: They would come up with some lame arse excuse that it would "infringe" upon some idiot's Civil Rights. THE U.S. HAS TOO MANY LAWYERS: We need more common sense. The danger I see with Compulsatory Voting is that they could now come to understand WHO YOU VOTED FOR: Its none of their business.

Vac, I understand with electronic voting that you could establish who an individual voted for, but not with compulsory voting, the ballot still remains secret, but, there are post vote surveys that can find that information if someone is willing to say. The question is always, do you want the rule of law or lawyers?

Vacuum7
Dec 9, 2019, 08:05 PM
Paraclete: I like the Rule Of Law......but detest lawyers: I call theirs a PARASITIC PROFESSION. Lawyers are responsible for a lot of misery in the United States. Right now, some of the biggest obstacles to industrial growth is red tape created by lawyers and the need to maintain incredibly high Insurance Policies to sustain inevitable suits that will be thrown against them by, none other than, lawyers. Lawyers have driven up medical costs, too.

Courts are there to "interpret" laws, not to make them. The purpose of lawyers almost universally on the side counter to American values.

paraclete
Dec 9, 2019, 09:00 PM
Paraclete: I like the Rule Of Law......but detest lawyers: I call theirs a PARASITIC PROFESSION. Lawyers are responsible for a lot of misery in the United States. Right now, some of the biggest obstacles to industrial growth is red tape created by lawyers and the need to maintain incredibly high Insurance Policies to sustain inevitable suits that will be thrown against them by, none other than, lawyers. Lawyers have driven up medical costs, too.

Courts are there to "interpret" laws, not to make them. The purpose of lawyers almost universally on the side counter to American values.

Well, of course, no doubt many bad things in your country were precipitated by lawyers, things like revolution, civil war, civil rights...............

Vacuum7
Dec 10, 2019, 05:19 AM
Paraclete: Precipitated by lawyers? No: Revolution - Taxation without Representation; Civil War - Separation of State from the Union; Civil Rights - Guarantees not fulfilled and nonviolent protests to affect those guarantees. LAWYERS have little to nothing to do with these parts of our history....Lawyers are an impedance, not facilitators to progress.....If you are looking for the way forward, don't look to lawyers.

paraclete
Dec 10, 2019, 05:23 AM
Paraclete: Precipitated by lawyers? No: Revolution - Taxation without Representation; Civil War - Separation of State from the Union; Civil Rights - Guarantees not fulfilled and nonviolent protests to affect those guarantees. LAWYERS have little to nothing to do with these parts of our history....Lawyers are an impedance, not facilitators to progress.....If you are looking for the way forward, don't look to lawyers.

Vac Lincoln was a lawyer, he could have allowed NC to have their little protest, I Never said they aided the process. Lawyers continually rewrite the constitution in the Supreme Court

talaniman
Dec 10, 2019, 08:46 AM
Vac, I understand with electronic voting that you could establish who an individual voted for, but not with compulsory voting, the ballot still remains secret, but, there are post vote surveys that can find that information if someone is willing to say. The question is always, do you want the rule of law or lawyers?

Wall Street's and HC's computers don't get hacked, or the contents leaked, so the question is not between rule of law and lawyers, but Cyber Security, and secure elections. The dufus doesn't care about either one and has done nothing, but try and get foreigners to do his dirty work against his political opponents to first get elected, and get re elected. Repubs don't care either, they are to busy purging voter rolls while they get hacked and leaks everywhere. repubs leave the states to fight those Russian hackers and they are clueless and too cheap to help them with cyber security.

Go ahead and whine about the lawyers and not the lawmakers.

Vacuum7
Dec 10, 2019, 12:41 PM
Paraclete: It was South Carolina that lit the match of war but all Southern States were thinking about succession. Yes, Lincoln, a Republican and a lawyer, was putting the squeeze on the South to end their secession flirtations....Lincoln didn't step-in to try and stop secession militarily but he didn't need to do so, the South started the War Of Northern Aggression (had to say that for Talaniman's benefit, Civil War) by firing on Fort Sumpter in Charleston Harbor.

Yes, all the Justices of SCOTUS members are lawyers but THEY DO NOT REWRITE THE CONSTITUTION: THEY INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. In fact, NO LAWYER, of any description as a lawyer, will EVER rewrite the Constitution. The Constitution may be amended, however, through the elements contained in Article V of the Constitution via either 2/3rds vote to amend in both Congress and Senate (Lower and Upper Houses) or a Constitutional Convention......that is the only way the Constitution can be amended.

Vacuum7
Dec 10, 2019, 12:48 PM
Talaniman: Lawyers are out of control in the U.S.....we are desperately in need of TORT REFORM and common sense in practical application. When the American People are at the mercy of lawyers, there is something wrong.

The President is trying to get to the bottom of what the hell happened in the Ukraine with the Bidens…...what is the new tactic of law breakers going to be now: Go do something illegal and then declare yourself a Candidate for POTUS and become immune to being pursued for the crime? Trump didn't need to do anything special to beat the bricks off Biden: Trump will wax Biden's arse in an election and everyone knows it.

talaniman
Dec 11, 2019, 03:35 AM
You hate lawyer, gotcha! Unfortunately big biz, big pharma, and big shots selling you useless crap have a slew of 'em. Now what?

For a guy who wants a 3rd party you sure sound like a right wing loony and dufusite most times. Calm down get some popcorn or chips and watch the show why dontcha! The dufus is trying to rerun his 2016 election win. Investigate his opponent, and lie his arse off while he talks a heap of trash and lies about everybody and his mama, or daddy.

You predicting a landslide for him are ya?

paraclete
Dec 11, 2019, 05:50 AM
Yeh, another one like the last one, thousands of districts voting for Trump and few hundred for I wonder who

talaniman
Dec 11, 2019, 06:59 AM
Funny how you know who got 3 million more votes than the dufus did.

paraclete
Dec 11, 2019, 02:33 PM
Funny how you know who got 3 million more votes than the dufus did.

Lot of people in New York and California arn't there?

Vacuum7
Dec 11, 2019, 05:54 PM
Talaniman: If we had a 3rd Party you would have to keep hitting the rewind button every 4 years and watch Big Don win The POTUS! Don't you not want it to be "Ground Hog Day" every four years? Its a shame: Almost like watching the same football game tape over and over and thinking that, on the 10th rewind, your team might win "this time"! You have to know, NOW, after you have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him, and not score any damage, that Democrat candidates will have NO CHANCE against Trump in Nov., '20. Have you seen that Trump's poll #'s, since the Impeachment fiasco was started by Democrats, are climbing in the states he needs to win? CAN YOU SPELL "DOOMSDAY"? The Impeachment process is EMPOWERING Trump! You should have chosen better Field Generals than the duds you chose: Little Adam Schiff and Jerry "The Human Penguin" Nadler! These guys couldn't lead flies to fresh dog feces!

3RD PARTY WILL SAVE THE U.S.

talaniman
Dec 11, 2019, 08:23 PM
Well you let me know how that 3rd party thingy works out for you okay. Till it does...duck dude we are going after the dufus win or lose.

paraclete
Dec 11, 2019, 09:26 PM
Well you let me know how that 3rd party thingy works out for you okay. Till it does...duck dude we are going after the dufus win or lose.

Tal, to use the parlance of a game you don't understand, I think you are out for a duck!

talaniman
Dec 12, 2019, 02:17 AM
You prefer the term fail or succeed? Doesn't matter. If we cannot make him a one term president we can still take his power. Make him a LAME duck. I would be happy for any of those outcomes.

Vacuum7
Dec 12, 2019, 03:50 AM
Talaniman: How are you going to make Trump a lame duck? His poll #'s are going up in what had traditionally been Demo strongholds: Demos used to "buy" votes in these states, now that isn't working.....next, Labor Unions are on his agenda to bring over to the Republican side. Demos have overplayed their hand....and they've been out-thought and out maneuvered: The continued PERSECUTION of Trump by the Demos has been laid bare: yes, Trump has managed to make himself looking to be the "victim" and the Demos the "conspirators" in all these fiascos...don't believe me? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN HIS POLL #'s: I know you guys live and die by POLL #'s....or do you believe POLL #'s only when they favor Demos? There is a very good chance that Demos will LOSE THE HOUSE in 2020! And, in your heart of hearts, YOU KNOW that there is no Demo candidate out there that can beat Trump: Demo candidates are a pandering, special interests, shallow bunch....this has to be the weakest lineup ever fronted by the left.....truthfully, Bernie Sanders, a socialist, has the best chance to win with his "FREE STUFF" campaign but, you can bet, the Demo "OLD GUARD" establishment WILL NOT LET BERNIE WIN, just like the last Demo Presidential Candidate selection process was rigged for Hillary, this one will also be rigged.

BOTTOM LINE: 2020 WILL BE A DARK YEAR FOR THE LEFT.

And when Trump gets his SECOND TERM, the left better watch out because he is going head hunting: You think the left is the only ones who can create "special investigative committees"? The left is going to run down, captured, and "persecuted": ELEPHANTS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.

And we won't even talk about what will happen with SCOTUS! That is going to be a thorn in the side of the left for the next 25-30 years....going to be bad for the left: No House, No Senate, No Executive, No Courts!

talaniman
Dec 12, 2019, 04:59 PM
Geez Vac, I really can't tell if you're off your meds, or took to many. Or is it just to early in the morning. What do the polls say I seem to have missed that. Gloom and doom for dems next year sounds like the fundie right wing fire and brimstone rap going around in conservative circles.

paraclete
Dec 12, 2019, 05:44 PM
Geez Vac, I really can't tell if you're off your meds, or took to many. Or is it just to early in the morning. What do the polls say I seem to have missed that. Gloom and doom for dems next year sounds like the fundie right wing fire and brimstone rap going around in conservative circles.

Don't worry Tal, the demorats will all have apoplexy when their scheme doesn't work. However much conservatives may not like Trump, they are not going to yield and you can look forward to five more years

talaniman
Dec 12, 2019, 06:15 PM
LOL, the good news is we actually have to vote before we crown the dufus again, and a lot can happen until election day NEXT YEAR. Matters little to me who or what the government looks like or what it does, I'll deal with it Clete. I always have. I see no reason to change that outlook, especially not for this dufus.

Just wish repubs had the balls to leash their attack dog and keep him out of my yard. Or clean up after the damn mutt, and keep him from barking all day and night! Is that too much to ask? Just a muzzle and a leash to stop him from running through the country scaring women and kids and old people.

Or a CAGE would be highly helpful. 8D

paraclete
Dec 12, 2019, 07:06 PM
LOL, the good news is we actually have to vote before we crown the dufus again, and a lot can happen until election day NEXT YEAR. Matters little to me who or what the government looks like or what it does, I'll deal with it Clete. I always have. I see no reason to change that outlook, especially not for this dufus.

Just wish repubs had the balls to leash their attack dog and keep him out of my yard. Or clean up after the damn mutt, and keep him from barking all day and night! Is that too much to ask? Just a muzzle and a leash to stop him from running through the country scaring women and kids and old people.

Or a CAGE would be highly helpful. 8D

Problem is Tal, Trump isn't a rabid dog, no matter how much he snarls and foams at the mouth, no he is just an old pit bull and you know how dangerous they are, they frequently turn on their masters, I wonder if there are any among the demonrats

talaniman
Dec 12, 2019, 07:19 PM
Quite a few Clete, but we use muzzles leaches and cages quite LIBERALLY.

paraclete
Dec 12, 2019, 08:24 PM
Quite a few Clete, but we use muzzles leaches and cages quite LIBERALLY.

Yes I had noted you have a propensity to lock people up rather than deal with problems in other ways

talaniman
Dec 13, 2019, 06:51 AM
Care to share those other ways Clete? Takes years to clean out the kennels or drain the swamps no matter how many muzzles, leashes and cages you have and so few swamp wranglers and dogcatchers available.

paraclete
Dec 13, 2019, 02:37 PM
Care to share those other ways Clete? Takes years to clean out the kennels or drain the swamps no matter how many muzzles, leashes and cages you have and so few swamp wranglers and dogcatchers available.

As an old dog trainer, I prefer the check chain, lots of praise and a few snacks.

talaniman
Dec 13, 2019, 06:04 PM
I don't know Clete, the dufus requires a lot of praise and craves more than a few snacks and he will still bite you on a whim.

paraclete
Dec 13, 2019, 06:09 PM
I don't know Clete, the dufus requires a lot of praise and craves more than a few snacks and he will still bite you on a whim.

Yes he is very needy Tal, but perhaps if he wasn't so rejected............

talaniman
Dec 14, 2019, 03:50 AM
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAK61W1.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f

paraclete
Dec 14, 2019, 08:18 PM
sort of like the evidence for Russian interference..........................

talaniman
Dec 15, 2019, 07:50 AM
You joining the loony right in saying that there is no evidence that it happened Clete?

paraclete
Dec 15, 2019, 01:20 PM
You joining the loony right in saying that there is no evidence that it happened Clete?

I didn't say there was no evidence, but they didn't devote much resource to it, just someone's pet project

talaniman
Dec 15, 2019, 04:30 PM
I'll go further and state the case that the Russians were aided and abbetted by our own inability to take proper action.

paraclete
Dec 15, 2019, 05:33 PM
I'll go further and state the case that the Russians were aided and abbetted by our own inability to take proper action.

No, the Russians were aided and abetted by stupidity but they probably had little impact, so it was just noise

Vacuum7
Dec 15, 2019, 09:26 PM
The only RUSSIAN assistance during the 2016 Election was in the form of the Russians that helped put together Hillary's "Steel Dossier": The REAL RUSSIANS help Hillary, not Trump.

talaniman
Dec 16, 2019, 07:12 AM
Everybody here knows you're just repeating right wing loony talking points and only right wing loonies are listening to that crap.

paraclete
Dec 20, 2019, 05:38 AM
You seem to be listening

talaniman
Dec 20, 2019, 06:50 AM
No I hear the parrots a parrotting NONSENSE, Big difference between that and LISTENING. Thought you knew that.

paraclete
Dec 20, 2019, 02:54 PM
So the demonrats are parroting nonsense, I get it

talaniman
Dec 20, 2019, 03:41 PM
How about (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+and+repubs+repeat+Putin+taking+poin ts&view=detail&mid=15F0A7570CB5BE6728CF15F0A7570CB5BE6728CF&FORM=VIRE) the dufus and repubs parrotting Vlad. "Russia didn't interfere in 2016 for the dufus. Ukraine interfered for HC". So much EVIDENCE!

paraclete
Dec 21, 2019, 05:59 AM
Yes strange about that, and the FBI lied to get a warrant to spy on Trump, strange about that too?

talaniman
Dec 21, 2019, 07:16 AM
That's what I mean about being a parrot and repeating dufus lies. Do you need a link for the Horowitz Report or can you find it on your own? This has to be one of the dufus's first lies and it's still floating around? That's pretty remarkable.

paraclete
Dec 21, 2019, 02:58 PM
Nothing remarkable here Tal it is just the circus

talaniman
Dec 21, 2019, 03:16 PM
Yep, and I'll be glad when it leaves town.

paraclete
Dec 21, 2019, 03:22 PM
It's permanent just one clown after another

talaniman
Dec 22, 2019, 07:36 AM
Doesn't seem to be any shortage of clowns does it?

paraclete
Dec 22, 2019, 02:44 PM
No but that's the circus

talaniman
Dec 23, 2019, 05:57 AM
Seems to be a growing career choice.

paraclete
Dec 26, 2019, 06:47 PM
Seems to be a growing career choice.
yes a big market for clowns

talaniman
Dec 27, 2019, 09:24 AM
The loony right wing was bored of hollering and nobody listens, but they sure have everybody's attention now don't they?

paraclete
Dec 27, 2019, 03:54 PM
The loony right wing was bored of hollering and nobody listens, but they sure have everybody's attention now don't they?

No Tal it is the loonie left that has been howlin and hollerin

talaniman
Dec 28, 2019, 03:48 AM
Even conservatives are disturbed by this morally challenged dufus Clete, and if we cannot get rid of him, we may have to lock him in the Oval office, and take his red phone from him. It's been done before.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBYmxPx.img?h=416&w=624&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=852&y=409

paraclete
Dec 29, 2019, 11:37 PM
Even conservatives are disturbed by this morally challenged dufus Clete, and if we cannot get rid of him, we may have to lock him in the Oval office, and take his red phone from him. It's been done before.



Ok now that is a solution, but how can a House and the Senate govern when they can agree on nothing, without the president to sign off they are just mouthing empty words. The hill is not all powerful even if madam thinks she is the uncrowned queen

talaniman
Dec 30, 2019, 05:24 AM
Well she is the third in line for the thrown but point taken. In an election year though we are generally on auto pilot. Sometimes that's better than the off years when they are actually governing.

paraclete
Dec 30, 2019, 01:42 PM
"governing" is that what you call it?

talaniman
Dec 31, 2019, 02:20 AM
Well we all know it's a circus, but we dress it up for the New Year!

paraclete
Dec 31, 2019, 04:23 AM
Yes well happy New Year

talaniman
Dec 31, 2019, 07:47 AM
Happy New Decade Clete.

paraclete
Dec 31, 2019, 01:57 PM
indeed, hope it is a better one

talaniman
Jan 1, 2020, 08:11 AM
Woke up to a cloudy day Clete, and thought of your situation, and became very grateful for rain clouds instead of smoke clouds. Seeing another decade is a big deal and maybe that's all we get for now. Prayers to you and yours.

paraclete
Jan 1, 2020, 02:26 PM
Thank you, Tal, a bad situation still although some back channel news would suggest my son's home may have escaped damage, so keep up those prayers, as am I

talaniman
Jan 1, 2020, 06:04 PM
Of course Clete. I wish I had more than prayers to offer.

paraclete
Jan 1, 2020, 07:34 PM
Of course Clete. I wish I had more than prayers to offer.

So do I Tal, but I'm too old now for fire fighting

talaniman
Jan 2, 2020, 08:27 AM
Me too Clete, but the weather forecast for you Aussies offer NO reprieve in sight SORRY! RUN!

paraclete
Jan 2, 2020, 01:56 PM
No Tal rain next week maybe, nowhere to run too meanwhile back to the sauna

talaniman
Jan 2, 2020, 05:11 PM
Be careful what you wish for because floods ain't much fun either. You need some rain though no doubt!

paraclete
Jan 2, 2020, 08:39 PM
Be careful what you wish for because floods ain't much fun either. You need some rain though no doubt!

haven't had a flood where I live for 15 years, If I get flooded we are all in trouble, but it is hard to keep a garden alive in this drought. I'm thinking of putting in artificial grass, my lawn is dead. was a time I didn't like rain but now I love it

talaniman
Jan 3, 2020, 01:55 AM
Didn't you say that about this 11 year fire cycle? Is there no lesson to learn from these events?

paraclete
Jan 3, 2020, 02:01 PM
Didn't you say that about this 11 year fire cycle? Is there no lesson to learn from these events?

Yes the lesson to learn is to keep down the build up of tinder, scrub and rubbish. However that is just long enough for a new crop of do gooders to buy into fire prone areas and to start undoing common sense provisions. The city dwellers complain about air quality when burnoffs occur and as they are the most populous areas with the political muscle you can quess the outcome

talaniman
Jan 3, 2020, 04:03 PM
Yes locals tend to flex their muscles and that's human I suppose, so maybe a better collection and a better disposal could help those who object to burn offs since that is an older option, but is it the only option?

paraclete
Jan 3, 2020, 04:27 PM
Yes locals tend to flex their muscles and that's human I suppose, so maybe a better collection and a better disposal could help those who object to burn offs since that is an older option, but is it the only option?

Terrain is the big factor, the mountain range that runs along the eastern coast is rugged and inaccessible and this is where the fires take hold. As population expands more and more development pushes into these areas. Right now the big theat is to small towns and villages spread over a vast area. What is going on here is equivalent to the east coast of the US burning in area

talaniman
Jan 4, 2020, 02:42 AM
Happens in California every year since I can remember, and it occurs to me that your current fires may be something you can expect a lot more often than just every 11 years. The debate over why and how seems futile when you look at it from the perspective of inevitable and recurring.

paraclete
Jan 4, 2020, 05:45 AM
Happens in California every year since I can remember, and it occurs to me that your current fires may be something you can expect a lot more often than just every 11 years. The debate over why and how seems futile when you look at it from the perspective of inevitable and recurring.



Yes tal but we can blame on that climate change that started 12000 years ago

talaniman
Jan 4, 2020, 06:05 AM
Were back at where we started then Clete and that's what to do about it? Nobody knows or wants to put money towards it either. I ain't got NONE, and it's enough to pay for the lights being on. The price of candles and batteries has also gone up!

paraclete
Jan 4, 2020, 02:43 PM
Were back at where we started then Clete and that's what to do about it? Nobody knows or wants to put money towards it either. I ain't got NONE, and it's enough to pay for the lights being on. The price of candles and batteries has also gone up!

Yes one of the outcomes is power lines are downed and the affected areas are without power, my son tells me the water treatment plant is running with the help of a standby generator. I rather doubt candles and batteries are still available, supermarkets are also shut, no power and probably little on the shelves

talaniman
Jan 5, 2020, 11:20 AM
Yeah that's a problem with last minute shopping, it may be to late to get what you want no matter how bad you need it.

paraclete
Jan 5, 2020, 01:32 PM
If only we had perfect foresight, I always keep a few things in the pantry and my generator sits in the garage and I can rely on the BBQ to cook on in a pinch however if the truck arn't rolling..............

talaniman
Jan 5, 2020, 06:36 PM
Who needs it to move?



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Bring a tent in case of rain.

paraclete
Jan 5, 2020, 09:53 PM
Got a camping trailer Tal, but not in this weather