Insulting a soldier who earned medals and was wounded in the line of duty wearing the uniform of his country's Armed Forces, Trump sank to new lows.

Making matters worse, this brave soldier's testimony showed that Trump's so-called "transcript" of the notorious phone call to the Ukraine president was not a transcript at all. It was a summary with critical portions left out. Those deleted portions included references to VP Biden and to the Burisma company.

All in one day, 'bone spur" Trump delivers his typical nastiness to a gallant warrior and manages to doctor the phone call.

I never beleive anything the dufus or his sycophants say without verification and to be honest, it always comes back they LIE! This is the guy who started off calling the then president illegitimate and Mexicans rapists. Forget his history with the legal system, or business practices, since he has been on the national stage as a candidate and in the WH, it's always blasting his opponents and mocking them with demeaning labels in the worst terms possible. His base loves him for it, but it was a pleasant surprise when not just dems, but many repubs came out in defense of Lt. Col. Vindman as a patriot and VERY credible American.

Just his story is an incredible one as have been the backgrounds for all the witnesses so far. I think it's telling the dufus's and his sycophants smear campaigns are starting to get pushback now after the years of hearing them.

FORGET TRUMP: Instead of Trump, put the name of any POTUS in the blank: This Lt. Col. Vinman should immediately be thrown out of the military, with the speed of light! A Lt. Colonel running off to Congress to get his 15 minutes of fame by defaming HIS COMMANDER AND CHIEF should earn him immediate dismissal from the U.S. Military....complete breaking of protocol.....this has been verbalized by all the active military and retire vets I know: They consider him lower than pond scum.

Don't go throwing his Purple Heart out there either: ONE OF THE GREATEST SOLDIERS IN HISTORY WAS A TRAITOR! Benedict Arnold was the most courageous U.S. soldier you would ever imagine....he was the most instrumental General of the Revolutionary War, a brilliant tactician....he gave his own monetary fortunes....he gave his own leg for the U.S.....and, Benedict Arnold WAS A TRAITOR!

You are just spewing off what CNN has said: You don't KNOW WHAT THE TRANSCRIPT SAID! Its very possible that anything left off the transcript was "SECRET" or, simply, filler/unimportant material. CNN doesn't know everything.

WOW Vac! The was your looniest rant ever! The craziest I've ever heard. What's up with that? Or maybe the question is what's in your coffee this morning?

I reiterated what the guys in the military have express to me, personally: They think this Vinman is garbage for doing what he did.

I reiterated what the guys in the military have express to me, personally: They think this Vinman is garbage for doing what he did.

He answered a subpoena and testified truthfully? Like they would if they were called to do so. Or maybe your military guys went to the same education as you did and are still sons of the south. Or you loony fringers have had too much dufus Kool Aid.

Let me guess Faux News is the only channel you guys get.

Talaniman: Now, now: I was born in the South, a Southern by birth: YOU, TALANIMAN, ARE A SOUTHERNER BY CHOICE!:)

No, what the military guys I know are saying is that Vinman was mouthing off what should have been considered "Confidential" information and that he didn't follow protocol.

I don't like Trump Cool-Aid, won't drink it, either.

I also don't like FOX, either: FOX is not that good and they are extremely biased, but 180 degrees out of phase with the bias of CNN and MSNBC or the Big Three. I actually watch RT World News International and One America News Network, OAN, if I watch any TV at all, which is rare and only on weekends. RT & OAN are very down the middle, straight shooting, unbiased reporters and the RT field reporting is the best I have ever seen, particularly their overseas correspondents. OAN is decidedly a reporting network, with no lean or bias that I can tell.

I don't like Trump Cool-Aid, won't drink it, either.

I also don't like FOX, either: FOX is not that good and they are extremely biased, but 180 degrees out of phase with the bias of CNN and MSNBC or the Big Three. I actually watch RT World News International and One America News Network, OAN, if I watch any TV at all, which is rare and only on weekends. RT & OAN are very down the middle, straight shooting, unbiased reporters and the RT field reporting is the best I have ever seen, particularly their overseas correspondents. OAN is decidedly a reporting network, with no lean or bias that I can tell.
*cough cough*

OAN:
"One America News is a lesser-known news outlet that has seemingly won President Donald Trump's stamp of approval. The six-year-old network is something of a surprise competitor for Trump's long-touted favorite and massive conservative mainstay, Fox News."
https://www.businessinsider.com/one-america-news-donald-trump-news-network-2019-10

W.G.: I don't know about what you have here.....OAN is loaded with very young people who, generally, are more liberal minded. RT is a more seasoned group of people.

This RT TV? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network))

Talaniman: Yes, seems to be pretty good "just the facts, Ma'am type Reporting! Real Joe Friday throw back stuff. Do you watch it?

Stopped a few years ago, but BBC world news and CSpan are my regulars when I'm not munching popcorn and watching sports or catching up from years of no TV. Between chores of course. I have to take issue though with your characterization of Vindman and his testimony. You southerners do know that the congress has the same power and authority as the exec. branch don't you? So what protocols were broken?

Talaniman: Yes, seems to be pretty good "just the facts, Ma'am type Reporting! Real Joe Friday throw back stuff. Do you watch it?
Why would I want to watch this?

"RT International, based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, debates, sports news, and cultural programmes that it says provide 'a Russian viewpoint on major global events.'"

Talaniman: Lt. Col. Vinman did not adhere to "chain of command": He had no business running his mouth off, particularly on a matter pertaining to HIS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

W.G.: RT News as a "Russian viewpoint"? I have never seen that from them: I have only seen non-aligned, hard-nosed reporting out of RT America...….RT News has Ed Schultz, who used to have "The Ed Show" on MSNBC, has "News With Ed Schultz" on RT now....I didn't like Ed when he was on MSNBC but he sure has turned over a new leaf since coming to RT! Schultz used to be very liberal/left on MSNBC and now he is a non-aligned but still a very hard-nosed reporter.

Geez, V7, I go to do some business and you run amok with even more of your nuttiness. There's no excuse for your nuttiness since you have easy access to the largest library on the planet - the internet. Start checking things before you run off at the mouth.

Starting from the most recent:


Talaniman: Lt. Col. Vinman did not adhere to "chain of command": He had no business running his mouth off, particularly on a matter pertaining to HIS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Vinman DID adhere to the chain of command! Twice! Both times nothing was done. It's all in his statement. Did you read it? (Rhetorical).As Tal said, he was called by Congress to testify. Did you expect him to lie?

Not for a bleeding second, do I believe you ran this by all your vet buddies. I think you made that up.


W.G.: RT News as a "Russian viewpoint"? I have never seen that from them: I have only seen non-aligned, hard-nosed reporting out of RT America...….RT News has Ed Schultz, who used to have "The Ed Show" on MSNBC, has "News With Ed Schultz" on RT now....I didn't like Ed when he was on MSNBC but he sure has turned over a new leaf since coming to RT! Schultz used to be very liberal/left on MSNBC and now he is a non-aligned but still a very hard-nosed reporter.

RT (RUSSIA TODAY) is a propaganda arm of the Kremlin. A tiny bit of research would have revealed that. Trump has promoted OAN as FOX became slightly less approving of Trump. So OAN is another state website.

As far as Ed Schultz - makes no difference that he has a show there. That's part of drawing in people like you, which, in your case, it worked. Propaganda can be, and is, subtle.

You stated you liked this site because of its intelligent people. It's time for you to display some of that intelligence you revere so much.

It's been reported that he went to his immediate superior with his misgivings (https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-10-29/read-alexander-vindmans-opening-statement-on-trump-and-ukraine), and it went no further until he was subpoenad by the congress so if you have info I do not be glad to hear it.

I could not copy and paste but refer you specifically to page 2 under introduction. He outlines his reporting through the chain of command and discussing only with relevant colleagues with the proper clearance.

Shultz was a big favorite of mine.

Athos: I don't lie, may be a lot of thing but a liar I am not: One active duty soldier, a guy in the Reserves, and two vets all voluntarily espoused their disdain for Vinman's action.....their contention is that he had NO BUSINESS in the affairs of the Commander In Chief and, if you say he went to his immediate superior and nothing came out of it, he should have stopped and gone no further. His loyalties are fouled: He should be LOYAL to his Commander In Chief......it doesn't matter if the CIC is Trump, Obama, or Bush. Vinman will now, forever, be blackballed within the military, no one will trust him, that's what the military guys I know have said: he made himself a pariah by grandstanding.

Admittedly, I did not read Vinman's statement....I should have but haven't yet.

No, once called before Congress, VINMAN SHOULD NOT LIE, that's different....the sanctity of Congress and the process must be preserved at all costs......I don't support lying by anyone for any reason, short of saving one's life. I do think that maybe he didn't/doesn't know everything that was going on behind the scenes and he should have refrained from going to his superiors until he vetted the entire context of what was going on....he could have been premature with divulging this information.

I thought Ed Shultz gave RT a sense of being legitimate: I thought Ed had decent credentials given his tenure at MSNBC.....How/Why would Ed be working as a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda? He was a certified (not derogatory) liberal on MSNBC.....I don't think he would be a sellout.

July 5, 2018
Ed Schultz, a fiercely liberal television and radio host, died Thursday in Washington, D.C., at 64.
The former MSNBC host's death was confirmed by his current employer, the Russian-backed media organization RT America.

That's why I gave you the link to read as any military guy takes an oath to his country, not his president and by your own words and his testimony he honored that and you or anybody else never heard a peep until he was subpoenaed. That makes the dufus and his sycophants the more despicable and the notion a soldier knows the CIC is lying and committing a wrong act and he should not question that is dishonorable. That's exactly what his statement lays out so read it and get back with me.

On ES though he said publicly he didn't care what the platform was he would still do what he needed to do. He was a repub but switched and was a great personality until he died. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz)

You still should be cautious of those Ruskies though.

..their contention is that he had NO BUSINESS in the affairs of the Commander In Chief

Of course he did! That was his military assignment. He performed his duties as ordered. Sorry, but your friends are nuts!


if you say he went to his immediate superior and nothing came out of it, he should have stopped and gone no further.

I can tell you were never in the military. Every member of the Armed Forces has a positive responsibility to refuse to follow and to expose an illegal order. In this particular case, he DID stop from going up the ladder. He was ORDERED by Congress to testify. Can't you get that through your head?


Vinman will now, forever, be blackballed within the military, no one will trust him, that's what the military guys I know have said

The "military guys you know" are idiots.


he made himself a pariah by grandstanding.

You think testifying before Congress is grandstanding? Really?


Admittedly, I did not read Vinman's statement..

That was pretty important before shooting off your mouth, wasn't it?


I do think that maybe he didn't/doesn't know everything that was going on behind the scenes and he should have refrained from going to his superiors until he vetted the entire context of what was going on.

If you've read his statement by now, you know why he couldn't "vet the entire context" of what was going on. The falsity of what Trump did was staring him right in the face. NOT reporting it would have been a crime against the oath he took to defend the Constitution and the nation.


How/Why would Ed be working as a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda?

He was not a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda. He was there to give a semblance of objectivity. I'm sure Ed knew that - he wasn't stupid - but he had his reasons, and he had a platform. Propaganda is never obvious.

I actually watch RT World News International and One America News Network, OAN,

This explains a lot about you, V7.

So you watch Russian propaganda television. Soon you will be singing Putin's praises.

And you watch OAN television. OAN has been identified as a radical right-wing outfit, characterized by outright falsehoods and conspiracy theories.

I now understand where much of your posting comes from.

RT and OAN - what a combination! Even FOX is better than those two. MSNBC is seen as anti-Trump but it's impossible not to be anti-Trump if you want to report the truth. Same goes for CNN and the NYTimes and Washington Post. The newspapers are left-leaning, but CNN is like MSNBC, trying to report the truth as Trump continues his bizarre behavior on a daily basis.

They still celebrate the war of northern aggression in SC so what do you expect?

Athos: Let me be the devil's advocate for a second and see how you counter this: Why has RT "GOT TO BE" a propaganda arm of Moscow? Is it just because they are Russian? Russia isn't Bolshevik any more. Why isn't CNN thought to be a propaganda arm of the U.S. Government when Obama was POTUS or FOX a propaganda arm of the Government with Trump as POTUS? Why is it that Russia doesn't get any respect as even possibly straight-up with its reporting on RT? I'm open minded.

OAN is full of young people, who are typically left minded: How do you think they are far Right?

Athos: Let me be the devil's advocate for a second and see how you counter this: Why has RT "GOT TO BE" a propaganda arm of Moscow? Is it just because they are Russian? Russia isn't Bolshevik any more. Why isn't CNN thought to be a propaganda arm of the U.S. Government when Obama was POTUS or FOX a propaganda arm of the Government with Trump as POTUS? Why is it that Russia doesn't get any respect as even possibly straight-up with its reporting on RT? I'm open minded.

OAN is full of young people, who are typically left minded: How do you think they are far Right?

Vlad rules Russia and dressing up his TV show doesn't change that. What you think he is to dumb to be able to market his product according to his audience? Covert and Overt propaganda accomplishes the same thing, legitimizing a dictator who wants to undermine America and gain more power and money on the world stage.

Did I mention Vlad RULES Russia?

Athos: Got you! See what you mean.

Why isn't CNN thought to be a propaganda arm of the U.S. Government when Obama was POTUS

I thought they were.

So there is no difference or deference between American media and Russian media? I don't see CNN hacking the repubs or dems, or opening fake Facebook accounts, and what of FAUX News doing the dufus's propaganda work? Heck they weren't supporters of Obama either so highly biased against dems from the get go. How about the Sinclair Co sponsoring dufus TV throughout the country?

Repubs were the party of fiscal responsibility and National Security, so why aren't they now.

Athos: Got you! See what you mean.

That was Tal that "got you" - not Athos.

Athos: Yes, my mistake!

One lefty is just like the other

One lefty is just like the other

Are all righties the same too?

OAN is full of young people, who are typically left minded: How do you think they are far Right?

1. "Full of young people, who are typically left minded". You mean, like the skinheads and Neo-Nazis and the white supremacists?

2. I think they are far right because I watched their TV program. It's absurdly pro-Trump and its stories are from a far-right point of view, including mindless conspiracies. Trump has admitted to repeating their stories that have been shown to be complete falsehoods (the falsehood not admitted by Trump).

3. I also believe they are connected to Russia because one of their reporters works for a Russian-owned news agency where he repeats stories from that outfit.

Athos: I don't consider skinheads and Neo-Nazis and the white supremacist to be people.....vermin, yes.

Tell me something: Why does EVERY NEWS OUTLET have to have some degree of political allegence? Why can't they just REPORT THE NEWS? Its all so tiring.

Take a break, that's what I do, popcorn and a movie anyone? The dufus and his news ain't going nowhere. Easy to get burned out by the bombardment of politics or the news in general. Especially if it's been cold and rainy like it was here for a few days, that's always a bummer as I need sunshine to brighten my day.

Let the computer go and talk to the squirrels for a few hours. They're nuts too, but they are hilarious. 8D

Gotta go, and set my fantasy football line up. Kicked butt in fantasy baseball but got skunked in the playoffs, just like the Astros.

Athos: I don't consider skinheads and Neo-Nazis and the white supremacist to be people.....vermin, yes.

Nevertheless, they fit your category of young people.


Tell me something: Why does EVERY NEWS OUTLET have to have some degree of political allegence? Why can't they just REPORT THE NEWS? Its all so tiring.

Be glad to tell you.

Most major outlets do just that - report the news. But the president of the US is majorly newsworthy. Add to that the weird and bizarre behavior of the present incumbent, it looks like the media outlet has a political allegiance, but that's not true. It's just that Trump is so nutty, it only appears that way.

The fringe far-right are different. FOX, for example, has no truck with the truth. Except for a handful of decent people with integrity (Smith - now departed, Judge Napoli, Chris Wallace, Bret Beier, some others) they consistently report false stories and untruths.

Hope that helps.

Which news outlet had to apologize for supplying debate questions to the Clinton campaign in 2016?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donna-brazile-leaves-cnn/

The major problem with news organizations in the U.S. is the fantastic preponderance of liberal democrats employed by these outfits relative to republicans, and these people overwhelmingly financially support democrat candidates. George Stephanopolous, former White House adviser to ex-president Bill Clinton, left his White House position to become a news anchor with ABC. That is far from being an isolated incident. I'm not sure we can say that there is a lot of intentional, planned distorting of the news, although that is certainly possible, but the liberal outlook of the employees affects what we see and hear. PBS has plainly become a left-wing mouthpiece.

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journalist_donations_go_to_Democr ats

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/11/meet-the-liberal-press/

The major problem with news organizations in the U.S. is the fantastic preponderance of liberal democrats employed by these outfits relative to republicans, and these people overwhelmingly financially support democrat candidates. George Stephanopolous, former White House adviser to ex-president Bill Clinton, left his White House position to become a news anchor with ABC. That is far from being an isolated incident. I'm not sure we can say that there is a lot of intentional, planned distorting of the news, although that is certainly possible, but the liberal outlook of the employees affects what we see and hear. PBS has plainly become a left-wing mouthpiece.

V7 - I hope you're reading this.

Good example of the fringe right wing.

Note how the content of news is never mentioned, just an attack against the folks who do the reporting. It's called "deflection" and the right are masters at it emulating their hero Trump.

Good example of the fringe right wing.

Note how the content of news is never mentioned, just an attack against the folks who do the reporting. It's called "deflection" and the right are masters at it emulating their hero Trump.

"The content of the news is never mentioned"? Well, there was the news about CNN supplying debate questions to the Clinton campaign as well as the news about GS becoming an anchor at ABC. Sounded like news to me.

When a person is unprepared to debate the content, they frequently go off in a different direction.

In your long narrative below, where was there a mention of news content? Don't you think you should follow your own advice before advising others?


Be glad to tell you.

Most major outlets do just that - report the news. But the president of the US is majorly newsworthy. Add to that the weird and bizarre behavior of the present incumbent, it looks like the media outlet has a political allegiance, but that's not true. It's just that Trump is so nutty, it only appears that way.

The fringe far-right are different. FOX, for example, has no truck with the truth. Except for a handful of decent people with integrity (Smith - now departed, Judge Napoli, Chris Wallace, Bret Beier, some others) they consistently report false stories and untruths.

Hope that helps.

I have a remote and know how to use it, so no reason to watch loony TV, or waste my time on right wing conspiracy talk from years ago. If a guy doesn't know how to use his remote or computer well that's on him. Be glad to help the helpless though...just ask. The dufus lying and trashing true Americans who don't kiss his ring is not news, nor is right wingers defending his stupidity and lies newsworthy.

Watching repubs falling all over themselves trying to trash the dems though is entertaining and no matter the outcome of this impeachment stuff it will be fun watching what the citizens of America weigh in once those witnesses start testifying in public. Even better once charges are actually levied at the dufus for his high crimes and misdemeanors

We might get lucky though and the dufus will read the actual transcript to us in front of a fireplace. Now that would be must see TV.!

I have a remote and know how to use it, so no reason to watch loony TV, or waste my time on right wing conspiracy talk from years ago. If a guy doesn't know how to use his remote or computer well that's on him. Be glad to help the helpless though...just ask. The dufus lying and trashing true Americans who don't kiss his ring is not news, nor is right wingers defending his stupidity and lies newsworthy.

Watching repubs falling all over themselves trying to trash the dems though is entertaining and no matter the outcome of this impeachment stuff it will be fun watching what the citizens of America weigh in once those witnesses start testifying in public. Even better once charges are actually levied at the dufus for his high crimes and misdemeanors

Time will tell.