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Unbeknownst to almost everyone, the major Taliban leaders and, separately, the President of Afghanistan, were going to secretly meet with me at Camp David on Sunday. They were coming to the United States tonight. Unfortunately, in order to build false leverage, they admitted to..




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....an attack in Kabul that killed one of our great great soldiers, and 11 other people. I immediately cancelled the meeting and called off peace negotiations. What kind of people would kill so many in order to seemingly strengthen their bargaining position? They didn’t, they....




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....only made it worse! If they cannot agree to a ceasefire during these very important peace talks, and would even kill 12 innocent people, then they probably don’t have the power to negotiate a meaningful agreement anyway. How many more decades are they willing to fight?


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Um today is 3 days before the anniversary of the 9-11 attack . Have you forgotten ? He seems surprised that the Taliban are barbaric animals .

Um today is 3 days before the anniversary of the 9-11 attack . Have you forgotten ? He seems surprised that the Taliban are barbaric animals .

Perhaps he thinks Taliban are not muslims

Tomder55: Don't act so surprised....and don't play into the hands of the leftist....the American people were "so progressive and forward think" that they elected a man with a suspect past named Barack Hussein Obama(Barack is the horse Mohammed rides) into the Presidential Office 8 years after the 911 attacks! That would be equivalent to electing a man named Fujimora Kobe Brown into office in the 1948 Elections after being attached by the Japanese in 1941!

I'm not playing into anyone's hands I call it as I see it . Obama (the emperor) did not do a good job fighting terrorism . But if you look at it from the left perspective ,the emperor killed OBL and Trump was planning to negotiate with terrorists at Camp David the week of 9-11. I think we have been in Afghanistan way too long. Just leave then . The idea of having charade negotiations with the Taliban is too much to take. We all know they have no plan for honoring the terms .

Tomder55: All what you say is correct....Trump wanted to pull out of Afghanistan when he first came into office...why did he stop that push?

What do you think happens when we leave Afghanistan? This is just another in a line of fake negotiations of a fake deal. First Vlad, then MBS, then Xi, then Kim, Now full blown terrorists sympathizers, protecting those who attacked us on 9/11.

The pattern is intact and it ain't painting a pretty picture, though the dufus loves his photo ops with dictators and bad guys.

so what are you going to do, nuke Afghanistan?. That boat has sailed

This is where a negotiating team should have been put in place a long time ago, and not left completely up to the dealmaker in chiefs negotiating skills and tactics. We already know where that leads, and we need more than just public proclamations and photo ops to reach some kind of agreement. I doubt the afghan government was on board with any of this anyway.

Afghanistan is strategic space for Pakistan in the event of all out war with India. it is silly to "negotiate " with the Taliban . It's like negotiating with Hezbollah when they are a proxy force for the 12ers in Tehran. The Taliban is a sole subsidiary of the Pakistani ISI . Talks with the Taliban legitimize them as legitimate political players in the nation instead of the terrorist proxy force they are . .


This is where a negotiating team should have been put in place a long time ago, and not left completely up to the dealmaker in chiefs negotiating skills and tactics.

We have had a negotiation team there for a long time . It is headed by Zalmay Khalilzad


I doubt the afghan government was on board with any of this anyway. correct . The negotiations have gone on between the Taliban and US negotiators . It is a mistake .

I suspect the whole escapade was another attempt to change the narrative from whatever was on the news, to something else for the media to gnaw on. Wouldn't be the first time, but I can also see the dufus running a "brilliant" idea by his cabinet, and their heads exploded, and he tweeted it. Probably not the first time for that either.

Think on this for a while

Trump negotiates peace with the Taliban
Pakistan looses US aid
Taliban stages an attack to derail talks
In whose interest is it that the US stay in Afghanistan?

Paraclete: Trying to answer your question: India benefits, right?

Think on this for a while

Trump negotiates peace with the Taliban
Pakistan looses US aid
Taliban stages an attack to derail talks
In whose interest is it that the US stay in Afghanistan?

We do. It keeps the Taliban from hiding terrorists and our enemies if we keep chasing and shooting them. Remember the lesson of ISIS, so do you want the Taliban running Afghanistan like they have before?

Paraclete: Trying to answer your question: India benefits, right?

You might think so, India certainly has interests in Afghanistan, notably lessening Pakastani influence but the Pakastani's are well entrenched and Afghanistan is a Muslim state. But if the US leaves, then Pakistan will lose considerable financial support.



We do. It keeps the Taliban from hiding terrorists and our enemies if we keep chasing and shooting them. Remember the lesson of ISIS, so do you want the Taliban running Afghanistan like they have before?

Trying to maintain perspective here Tal. Your problem in Afghanistan as Al Qaeda, long since vanquished. You actually armed the forerunners of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, back in the days of Soviet occupation, and you created ISIS so I wouldn't shout too loud about terrorists. I don't like extremist Muslims so the answer to your question is, NO! but it isn't about what I want or you want, it is about What the Afghanisns want and meeting with the Taliban may not provide that outcome, particularly if the Afghan government are not part of the talks.

Whileever the US maintains a presence there will be trouble, what happens after they leave, a rerun of history, or somethingelse. We don't know

Makes the argument about the complexity of our presence there as the Taliban will agree to anything to get us out, and renew their dominance, which is against our interests and those who are not extremists, and strengthens a not dead Al Qaeda, and even ISIS to a great extent, and endangers not just us, but our allies as well, lest we not forget some of which are also in Afghanistan.

Sort of makes the dufus antics over this withdrawal deal rather stupid, since it would be just between HIM and the Taliban leaving out the other principals all together. Another photo op for him to lie about. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole meeting was a charade.

Paraclete: Trying to answer your question: India benefits, right? correct . This is all related to the Indian actions in Kashmir .

but the Pakastani's are well entrenched and Afghanistan is a Muslim state You would think that but it is not so . Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan begins and ends with the Taliban. When they ruled they used tyranny to impose their will ;just as they will do when they regain control of the nation; as they are doing in the areas they do control . They exist because it is in Pakistan's interest for them to exist . They are part of the Pushtu tribes .But although they are the largest ethinc block (subdivided by tribalism) there are many other ethnic groups inside the country that don't care to be ruled by them . Don't forget that the Northern alliance was largely armed by India . These days New Deli supports the Afghan government but is using soft power means and is relying on the US to provide the muscle . That by necessity will change with a US withdrawal.


You actually armed the forerunners of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, back in the days of Soviet occupation, and you created ISIS

If there is any fault that the US gets it is that the arms we supplied to the mujaheddin we allowed to be filtered to the fighters through the PAki ISI .The Taliban did not exist until after the Soviet occupation was over ,and we had stopped supplying arms . Yes some of the Taliban soldiers fought the Soviets also . As far as the US creating ISIS ;well that is just Iranian talking points that you have bought into . It is a complete untruth . ISIS emerged from the Zarqawi organization AQ in Iraq .It is true that the emperor took his eyes off the ball when he withdrew from Iraq ;and they grew in power after that . But that doesn't mean the US created them .

Whileever the US maintains a presence there will be trouble, what happens after they leave, a rerun of history, or somethingelse. We don't know typically in the Great Game actors entering Afghanistan have difficulty leaving .

Trump fired John Bolton today Bolton did not agree with the hair brained idea of having the Taliban go to Camp David . Trump should fire anyone of his advisers who thought it was a good idea . Best guess is that Trump already has Fred Fleitz in his radar as his next NSA

That brings to over 70 the number fired, resigned, or departed under a cloud. Only Genghis Khan had more.

Boy that (Fleitz) should be a great fit if true. That's all we need is more right wing loonies in the WH. The dufus is loony enough. No Bolton fan here, but he is out saying he quit, contrary to the dufus saying he was fired, and promised more details later.

Frankly it was just amatter of time before these two wing nuts bumped heads.

under a cloud. what cloud ? This was simply policy differences



Boy that (Fleitz) should be a great fit if true. I just floated that to see the Dem's heads explode .

Ace pitchers getting bombed in the first inning makes my head explode. Dufus picks, not so much! Repubs finally filling a congressional seat where they got caught cheating was amusing though.

or losing my stud MVP candidate to a season ending fractured knee cap

Better you than me (KNOCKING ON WOOD!!), since it could be an important difference maker in a week or so. I could only look at it once. Yo' boy was on the maybe list, though hard to see an aide replace the primary in this regime. Hard to believe, but the dufus is acting more like Carter without the big mouth drama.

It was the Taliban that gave safe harbor to OBL while he launched his terrorist attack on the US that killed 3,000 innocent Americans . It’s the Taliban that has killed and maimed thousands of our hero soldiers. These terrorist bass turds must never set foot in our country.

It was the Taliban that gave safe harbor to OBL while he launched his terrorist attack on the US that killed 3,000 innocent Americans . It’s the Taliban that has killed and maimed thousands of our hero soldiers. These terrorist bass turds must never set foot in our country.

Fully understand your fury, however, you have the capacity to forgive and move on, afterall, you are great mates with the Japanese, the Vietnamese, who killed and maimed far more of your people. You must remember that you are the invaders in Afghanistan and if they fight you it is because you are there. Al Qaeda attacked your nation if the narrative is to believed, but not before you had attacked them. You have the right to defend yourselves. However the Taliban are not Al Qaeda

Tom, it is time for the world to move on. The war in Iraq has been resolved, the war in Syria all but over, Afghanistan must be allowed to move on. This may not be as a democracy, only time will tell. The US needs to remove itself from foriegn wars. Peace negotiations are far better carried out on neutral ground, who knows why the Taliban were invited, perhaps to wrong foot them, or give them a vision of what the future might look like

Paraclete: The U.S. needs to get out of the business of NATION BUILDING and stop being concerned with establishing DEMOCRACIES.....these practices were ill advised from the very beginning and should cease. I saw a glimmer or hope yesterday when Trump fired Bolton, who was a hawk and wanted continuous U.S. involvement in every conflict around the globe....If Trump could wean us off this merry-go-round, he would go down as a hero! Now, my reasons for wanting the U.S. to abandon NATION BUILDING are a little different than most but, basically, they are: 1) I don't like seeing American Service Members killed for reasons that are clearly defined and of the utmost importance to national security, 2) I don't like seeing American Service Members killed...PERIOD!, and 3) When we aren't fighting foreign wars, the economic stability of the U.S. becomes incredibly strong. I really don't give much of a damn about foreign entities but I give one hell of a lot about the people of the U.S.!

Paraclete: The U.S. needs to get out of the business of NATION BUILDING and stop being concerned with establishing DEMOCRACIES.....these practices were ill advised from the very beginning and should cease. I saw a glimmer or hope yesterday when Trump fired Bolton, who was a hawk and wanted continuous U.S. involvement in every conflict around the globe....If Trump could wean us off this merry-go-round, he would go down as a hero! Now, my reasons for wanting the U.S. to abandon NATION BUILDING are a little different than most but, basically, they are: 1) I don't like seeing American Service Members killed for reasons that are clearly defined and of the utmost importance to national security, 2) I don't like seeing American Service Members killed...PERIOD!, and 3) When we aren't fighting foreign wars, the economic stability of the U.S. becomes incredibly strong. I really don't give much of a damn about foreign entities but I give one hell of a lot about the people of the U.S.!

Ok well said, nation building is an exercise best left to internal necessities. There are more than enough nations on Earth, what is really needed is support of national development. Spreading the industries out so we don't have the dominance of nations like the US and China. You see I can reflect your comments in my comments. I don't give a damn about about the economic stability of the US. It has benefited enough from its domination of world trade and world military. I don't give a damn about foreign entities like the US, China, Russia or the EU, I want to see my people rise to be fully self sufficient, not needing to import someoneelse's cheap knockoffs, becuase those industries have been stolen or conveniently moved by multinationals

I think you may be misguided as to what nation building really is, and why the spread of democratic principle is so important to the global economy, as everybody on the same page, with the same rules of the road, and economic opportunities, helps everybody and stops the bloodshed and these massive, disruptive migration flows we have seen.

That especially goes for these endless wars we have gotten into using military might to chase our enemies and end up blowing everything up with no plan to clean up the mess we have made. Shame the gun is still the preferred tool of solving problems. Easy enough to see where the Taliban morphed from, and harder to put than genie back in the bottle. That's also the consequence of giving a lying cheating dufus the levers of power and authority, without the traditional checks and balances that come with it.

Consensus is dead under this president, and some people like that kind of chaos, but I don't. We did see this coming though, as did the founders, but the process back to good orderly direction will be loud and contentious, as the small loud loonies ain't never gone quietly into the sunset.

@Clete, your hate and bias shows once again.

You must remember that you are the invaders ……..
Al Qaeda attacked your nation if the narrative is to believed, but not before you had attacked them. Sorry ;can't take you seriously when you makes such a statement .

Paraclete: You must be a Globalist, but I don't want to label you or anyone else if you are not one. When you talk about spreading the industries out more evenly all over the globe, that hints of Globalism. Remember: Industries don't spring up like so many mushrooms on dark, wet bovine dung....industries come about when the people in those industrial settings are educated and demonstrate enough gumption to perform industrial tasks asked of them. The U.S. managed to become a industrial powerhouse because it focused on doing just that and it had a well laid out plan.....As in nature, NOTHING JUST OCCURS in economies: Healthy economies come about through the inertia in the collaboration of many forces working together and economic planning.

Saying that you don't give a damn about the economy of the U.S. does not bode well for the economy of any country in the world! If the U.S. economy sneezes, the world catches a cold. The U.S. economy is the straw that stirs the drink for worldwide economic health.....you want your country to become stronger economically, you best hope that the U.S. continues to stay strong economically. And the U.S. didn't get strong economically because they stole anything from any nation or used military might to attain ill begotten fruits.....don't know what history you think you know but you have U.S. history fouled-up. THE ONLY REASON ANY NATION ON EARTH TODAY HAS ANY SEMBLANCE OF FREEDOM IS BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES EXISTS! If you are glad that Swastikas, meatballs, and hammer and sickles aren't flying all over the earth, well you best be proud that the U.S. is around. Hatred of the U.S. is ill advised and will lead to nothing.

Talaniman: I am right there with you about the U.S. needing to stop getting involved with every war around the globe that it can....that needs to stop. However, it is unrealistic for the U.S. to insist that every nation becomes a "Democracy".....some nations have cultures that run counter to developing or adopting Democracy: The nations of the Middle East are not going to become a Democracies....and neither are many of them in Africa.....we can not expect that we can FORCE FEED DEMOCRACY upon the people of all nations....not happening.

When you lead by a good example, others follow that good example, and maybe we don't need to get involved in every war, but if we do not, then we shirk the responsibility to help end them and keep them from spreading. It's just in our best interest to act responsibly of course, just for STABILITY, and stopping the mass migrations that always follow wars and conflicts.

If we don't who will?

"With great power comes great RESPONSIBILITY"/ Stan Lee in The Amazing Spiderman.

We screwed up in Iraq, and Viet Nam, after making a difference in the world wars. The real lesson here is you don't know who wins and dominates our allies or what factions we are dealing with. I think it's understood we help our allies though.

Talaniman: No arguments< I agree with most of what you said.....its just the first part about getting involved in foreign wars: From a historical perspective: Why did the U.S., effectively, abandon the Monroe Doctrine and pursue other conflicts that weren't nearly as beneficial to our national interests? I think we lost a little bit of the narrower focus we should have retained in certain affairs.....Like the song says, "You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them", at least sometimes.