https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

be wary of that sensory overload .

Yes you always need to be aware of what the comrades are doing, tarvarich

I saw that earlier on Facebook. What exactly was it?

It seemed to be a meeting of self obscessed communists

It seemed to be a meeting of self obscessed communists

You mean that was a meeting of liberal democrats??? [<;

No, these are more self obscessed, if that were possible

this was the Democratic Socialists of America convention aka the snowflake's convention .


From WSJ :

Early on, National Director Maria Svart asked DSA delegates to turn off their phones. Standing before a hall of millennial socialists, this was brave—and doomed to fail. Members tweeted nonstop, complaining of “reactionary” rival factions and leaders who staged a test to see if fellow socialists were sufficiently antiracist.
Party discipline was more effective at eliminating clapping. “Loud bursts of noise” can be dangerous to “disabled comrades,” a young man sporting a red kerchief explained. “Please don’t clap,” he said. “Instead shoot up these.” He thrust his hands above his head and wiggled his fingers. The DSA even set aside “quiet rooms,” one of which banned “anything that’s, like, an aggressive scent.”
If the international workers’ movement seems to have morphed into a college diversity seminar, rest assured it still sings “The Internationale,” overuses the word “solidarity,” and issues political demands.

The DSA fast-tracked resolutions calling for reparations for slavery and decriminalizing “sex work.” It voted to prioritize an “eco-socialist” Green New Deal, following its most prominent member, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But so far, major Democratic presidential hopefuls could nod along.
The DSA’s Medicare for All committee even reported that their socialist principles have “permeated the discourse” on health care and “define the demands of our coalition as well as those co-sponsoring single-payer bills” in Congress. They’re right.

Democrats can’t match every new DSA resolution—“solidarity with the Cuban socialist struggle,” for instance—but they’re swallowing these socialists’ major critiques of the American way, one by one. It’s no accident that Joe Biden found himself hard-pressed last week to explain why national borders are legitimate. Many Democrats agree with DSA member Brandon Rey Ramirez, who called the U.S. immigration system “morally indefensible at its core” and added: “We need open borders and the complete dismantling of ICE and CBP in order to respect the dignity that every person deserves.”
Democrats don’t share the DSA’s goal of abolishing capitalism, but they have an increasingly hard time explaining why not. They all but concede that America’s political and economic order is rooted in white supremacy and exploitation. Their base thrills to Sen. Bernie Sanders’s automatic denunciations of capitalist greed and his calls for “political revolution.” Even moderate Democrats accept the socialist critiques, if not the solutions. That’s why they struggle to parry attacks from the left.
The DSA is campaigning for Mr. Sanders, and if he loses, the group voted in Atlanta not to endorse the Democratic candidate for president. This reflects the DSA’s conviction that it hardly needs to compromise to exert influence. Hold the applause, but these socialists are rapidly occupying the ideological ground on which the Democratic Party stands.
Mr. Kaufman is an assistant editorial features editor at the Journal.

these socialists are rapidly occupying the ideological ground on which the Democratic Party stands.

well then you have nothing to worry about, do you?

Yes we do .Their views are dangerous. The only silver lining I see is that if they run on these radical platforms they will be defeated just like McGovern in 1972 ;the last time the Dems went completely off the rail .

Loonies, loonies everywhere, Left right up down some have guns some have silly, they are all nuts. They vote.

They vote.

That's a scary thought.

You are easily scared. As a political movement they represent 50,000 individuals even though their ideals are espoused by some prominent demonrats. They appeal to the disaffected youth

The real danger is if their hero isn't the nominee will they stay home? Repubs are scared of our loonies on the left, and we are scared of their loonies on the right. Repubs went off the rails with their loonies in 2016, and we get the dufus. Their nuts won!

The whole place is an asylum run by the inmates with more loonies screaming to get in, it is like a bad zombie movie

Seems that way sometimes with the news and the dufus dominating it, but most of us have lives we lead outside of the political chaos, and the zombie attacks. The inmates seem to run the asylum now, but the next election is a year and a half away, and things can change.

Maybe we get the finale to the dufus circus. One can hope we don't have a second season of his lunatics.

Seems that way sometimes with the news and the dufus dominating it, but most of us have lives we lead outside of the political chaos, and the zombie attacks. The inmates seem to run the asylum now, but the next election is a year and a half away, and things can change.

Maybe we get the finale to the dufus circus. One can hope we don't have a second season of his lunatics.

How can things change? the same inmates are still in the asylum

Don't be so sour Clete, some of us aren't that crazy, plus we can always change the inmates. We only have more loonies than you because we have more than 4 times the population which I have been telling you for years. Makes a difference.

Closer to thirteen times the population.

Don't be so sour Clete, some of us aren't that crazy, plus we can always change the inmates. We only have more loonies than you because we have more than 4 times the population which I have been telling you for years. Makes a difference.

Perhaps it does, but you lock people up at a much greater rate than we do and yet it doesn't seem to reduce the loonie population.

You say population is the issue but nations with greater populations don't have the same problems so there must be another factor at play. Your economy is enormous and should produce prosperity for all the population but it doesn't. It is in fact, an economy that isn't generous to the less advantaged even though you might think it is. I think there is a myth in play and you have drunk the koolaid

Anyway Tal I was just reading a newspaper article tell us that we are out of step with the rest of the
world. Your administration would like to park some missiles over here and ours are
having none of it. Your administration is suggesting we should abandon our trading relationship with China, talk about a begger your neighbour approach. We have even dared to say Hong Kong is part of China and they will just have to sort it out for themselves. Very strange noone here has wanted to discuss Hong Kong, it is like it has fallen off the planet, but then you don't live on the same planet, do you?

Long Live the Umbrella Revolution .....and no Hong Kong is NOT part of China . Xi will find he will not be able to roll over these protesters like
Tiananmen Square

https://www.diggitmagazine.com/sites/default/files/styles/social_media/public/field/image/Hong%20Kong%20Umbrella%20Movement.jpg?itok=kpmsP3X r

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/HKFA.jpg (https://www.khmertimeskh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/HKFA.jpg)

Unemployment rate is Aussie land is 5.2%. If you'd like, we'll let you borrow Mr. Trump for a few months so he can help you lower that.

Unemployment rate is Aussie land is 5.2%. If you'd like, we'll let you borrow Mr. Trump for a few months so he can help you lower that.

No you keep him, he is doing enough damage where he is. Our statistics don't work the same as yours so when it hits 5% we have full employment because most of those who make up the statistics live in the more undeveloped regions, all we need here to boost everything is rain and you can't talk that into being, besides you need him he is soooooo good for the economy


Long Live the Umbrella Revolution .....and no Hong Kong is NOT part of China . Xi will find he will not be able to roll over these protesters like
Tiananmen Square

https://www.diggitmagazine.com/sites/default/files/styles/social_media/public/field/image/Hong%20Kong%20Umbrella%20Movement.jpg?itok=kpmsP3X r

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/HKFA.jpg (https://www.khmertimeskh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/HKFA.jpg)

Wishfull thinking Tom, what are you going to do, park the 7th fleet in Hong Kong harbour? There will be much talk but Hong Kong is part of China

Our statistics don't work the same as yours so when it hits 5% we have full employment because most of those who make up the statistics live in the more undeveloped regions,

How convenient. Those "made up" statistics can really be difficult to explain.


he is soooooo good for the economy.

Actually, he has been, and we can say that without having to make up wild tales to interpret our data.

Wishfull thinking Tom, what are you going to do, park the 7th fleet in Hong Kong harbour? There will be much talk but Hong Kong is part of China


No I expect the people of Hong Kong to take care of business. Our fleet is not required . Trump wouldn't send them anyway . He still thinks he can cut a deal with China . He better learn the difference between business dealings and Chamberlain like appeasement .

China needs that robust Hong Kong economy and these protesters are much more tech savvy than the ones in 1989 .I think in the end they extract a kind of autonomy similar to what they had as a colony. They know that they can do better than the 22 years of stagnation they have seen from the commies .

No I expect the people of Hong Kong to take care of business. Our fleet is not required . Trump wouldn't send them anyway . He still thinks he can cut a deal with China . He better learn the difference between business dealings and Chamberlain like appeasement .

China needs that robust Hong Kong economy and these protesters are much more tech savvy than the ones in 1989 .I think in the end they extract a kind of autonomy similar to what they had as a colony. They know that they can do better than the 22 years of stagnation they have seen from the commies .
Obviously you haven't been to Hong Kong, a dynamic economy but autonomy isn't big on the communist agenda

yep and us leaving the empire wasn't on the Brit's agenda either . But all the protesters are asking is for Beijing to live up to the requirements laid out in treaty under which Britain handed over Hong Kong in 1997.As of right now it is not an "independence " movement . Autonomy was part of the deal that China is breaking .

In Hong Kong, millennials see what socialism does and fight it. Here our young have NEVER experienced it yet embrace it.

The movement leaders in Hong Kong are roughly the same age as America's founders. The prospect of their success was equally as bleak as the protesters in Hong Kong's are . Yet our founders pledged their lives ,fortune,and sacred honor to the cause of liberty . I will continue to support the protesters in Hong Kong.

The protesters appear to be adopting some Antifa tactics . From WSJ :

"The huge crowds of hun­dreds of thou­sands of pro­testers at the start of the sum­mer have given way to smaller groups of mo­bile protests us­ing more-ag­gres­sive tac­tics, such as light­ing fires on roads and hurl­ing objects toward police.­


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The thing to watch is how the Hong Kong government handles these protestors, and what will China do to exert whatever authority they think they have.

The thing to watch is how the Hong Kong government handles these protestors, and what will China do to exert whatever authority they think they have.

I think you will find they will be dealt with in the same manner as dissidents in other communist countries. The communists don't need a treaty to move these people to reeducation camps. The Chinese mainland is very close, just a bridge away

Ruling by fear and force has always been a tool for such authoritarianism, no matter what they call their ideology. Whether the population can resist is a totally different question.

Among the grievances in our Declaration of Independence are the following :

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.



It was right for us to rebel and it is right for the protesters in Hong Kong . They have not completely called for Independence because as Jefferson wrote in the Declaration ;



Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.




I couldn't help reading these words of Jefferson and thinking how perfectly they apply to Trump's presidency.

go for it .Just keep in mind what Grant wrote in his memoir about revolution ;that it is an inherent right BUT any people ...who resort to this remedy stake their lives and property and any claim of protection from the state . "Victory or the conditions imposed by the conqueror-must be the result "
https://www.bartleby.com/1011/16.html

In for a penny, in for a pound.

DUMP THE DUFUS in 2020.

Problem solved!

Dream on

DUMP THE DUFUS in 2020.

Problem solved!

If you want that to happen, you'll have to come up with a reasonable alternative, unlike the last time when you ran someone who was both corrupt and inept. Who will that be?

If you want that to happen, you'll have to come up with a reasonable alternative, unlike the last time when you ran someone who was both corrupt and inept. Who will that be?
Bill Weld.

Bill Weld.

Completely supports abortion including partial-birth abortion and, I imagine, gay marriage. No can do.

Completely supports abortion including partial-birth abortion and, I imagine, gay marriage. No can do.
But but but he's a Republican!

If you want that to happen, you'll have to come up with a reasonable alternative, unlike the last time when you ran someone who was both corrupt and inept. Who will that be?

Maybe we just give up on your vote.

Maybe we just give up on your vote.

You will if you count on me to vote for the likes of HC. It cost you the last election, and it will likely cost you this one. But, we'll see.

Fortunately JL yours was not the only vote cast, and the dufus victory was not at all that overwhelming it cannot be overcome. Especially after 3 or 4 years of his antics.

a great deal of wishfull thinking going on, don't you think the antics of the demonrats count, of course you don't

Don't forget - Dufus lost the popular vote by almost three million votes.

Don't forget - Dufus lost the popular vote by almost three million votes.
And that was back when voters thought electing a canny and successful businessman would "drain the swamp" of greedy political insiders.

“On Mon­day, so­cial-me­dia ac­counts run by the Com­mu­nist Par­ty’s flag­ship news­pa­per, Peo­ple’s Daily, and other lead­ing state news out­lets pub­lished footage of Chi­nese para­military forces ar­riv­ing in the south­ern city of Shen­zhen, which abuts Hong Kong, over the week­end.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-says-hong-kong-protests-show-first-signs-of-terrorism-11565604635?fbclid=IwAR2At5M29sjY6xlFVMyYY-1nxVHm7DlXze2n2wSQrxUEtQRPhBwTwS5dPNE

“On Mon­day, so­cial-me­dia ac­counts run by the Com­mu­nist Par­ty’s flag­ship news­pa­per, Peo­ple’s Daily, and other lead­ing state news out­lets pub­lished footage of Chi­nese para­military forces ar­riv­ing in the south­ern city of Shen­zhen, which abuts Hong Kong, over the week­end.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-says-hong-kong-protests-show-first-signs-of-terrorism-11565604635?fbclid=IwAR2At5M29sjY6xlFVMyYY-1nxVHm7DlXze2n2wSQrxUEtQRPhBwTwS5dPNE


so a crisis in Hong Kong assures Trump of victory?

not everything is about Trump

not everything is about Trump

Oh, you agnostic, you. You live in America and don't believe in the Wizard of Trump. Have you dared to look behind the curtain?

2nd day of shutting down the airports in Hong Kong and the cops are cracking down. Stock markets in US going up after the dufus says he will ease sanctions on some Chinese products, the day after the markets plunged after another dufus tweet. Ya' think he should shaddup, or is this manipulation?

Epstein still dead and his stuff is getting seized, and Barr says heads will roll over this.

I estimate that the Reds will need to send in 100,000 troops and do some Stalingrad door to door if they think they can subdue the protestor . This is not wide open
Tiananmen Square .

Trump's words are uninspiring . Clearly he is being coached by his swamp critter advisors to not aggravate Xi . Too late .Xi has already made us his enemy . It is time for the US to stand with those in Hong Kong who demand liberty and freedom.

Trump's words are uninspiring . Clearly he is being coached by his swamp critter advisors to not aggravate Xi . Too late .Xi has already made us his enemy . It is time for the US to stand with those in Hong Kong who demand liberty and freedom.

So you advocate US troops on the ground in a face off with the PRA

No troops but the dufus could be hitting not just China but his BFF Kim, Vlad, and a few others with human rights rhetoric, but then he would be a hypocrite since he doesn't speak for freedom and liberty anywhere.

No troops but the dufus could be hitting not just China but his BFF Kim, Vlad, and a few others with human rights rhetoric, but then he would be a hypocrite since he doesn't speak for freedom and liberty anywhere.

don't you think he knows it falls on deaf ears, anyway he has his own human rights problems

YES he does, maybe he just keeps his mouth shut! That falls on deaf ears too!

So you advocate US troops on the ground in a face off with the PRA


I did not say that . Like the Green Revolution in Iran ;they just have to know they are not alone. https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e9/da/8c/e9da8caf3fd6db855ee319f6cb4b6907--the-movement-beautiful-pictures.jpg

I did not say that . Like the Green Revolution in Iran ;they just have to know they are not alone. https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e9/da/8c/e9da8caf3fd6db855ee319f6cb4b6907--the-movement-beautiful-pictures.jpg

So you think emboldening people to rebel is the way to go, when in fact, lifting your sanctions and not stuffing with the world economy would do so much more. You keep forgetting Hong Kong is part of China so what you have is a case of civil disobedience

So you think emboldening people to rebel is the way to go, when in fact, lifting your sanctions and not stuffing with the world economy would do so much more. You keep forgetting Hong Kong is part of China so what you have is a case of civil disobedience I support all freedom loving people against totalitarian dictatorship.

How about those Russian protests with the back drop of another nuclear accident?

How about those Russian protests with the back drop of another nuclear accident?

yes how about those, don't see Trump protesting the Russian nuclear program

Why should? Like Xi and Kim, Vlad is his buddy who he needs to get re elected. Proves he can keep his mouth shut when he wants to.

Yes it would be marvellous if others followed suit

Yes it would be marvellous if others followed suit

Who are the others you refer to?

yes how about those, don't see Trump protesting the Russian nuclear program how soon you forget . Didn't he recently announce the US was withdrawing from INF because of Russian violations ?

I think in large part the dufus didn't want the Chinese to get ahead of us, and maybe the Russians were seeing the same thing too. That treaty was so outdated it wasn't really worth the paper it was written on, but the fallout is another arms race so back to the good old days except now everybody and his mama has a nuke and missiles to put them on.

Vlad downplays his latest Chernobyl event though, and bet he's scrambling for a cover story. I heard they canceled the evacuation, and going with iodine pills. These are the worlds super powers folks acting like the 3 stooges.

These are the worlds super powers folks acting like the 3 stooges.

But they are the three stooges. Larry (Vlad) Curly (Trump) and Mo (Xi).

The stooges were entertaining in a madcap way back in the day, but these global stooges are downright dangerous.

The stooges were entertaining in a madcap way back in the day, but these global stooges are downright dangerous.


There is only one global stooge who is down right dangerous

I beg to differ, there are many.

There are plenty of dangerous stooges out there. Just ask Trump - he loves them all.

There are plenty of dangerous stooges out there. Just ask Trump - he loves them all.

Yes perhaps love will solve the problems

I think he would do better with a solid plan instead of his helter skelter gut impulse. I thought he was going to surround himself with the best and brightest minds, instead of yes men brown nosers and parrot sycophants.

I think he would do better with a solid plan instead of his helter skelter gut impulse. I thought he was going to surround himself with the best and brightest minds, instead of yes men brown nosers and parrot sycophants.

I expect you have to take what is available and appointing people of opposing views gets you nowhere

If he weren't such a nasty control freak he might just get some good competent people. What reasonable person would want to work for him since what he wants is just some yes men, brown nosers, and parrot sycophants in the first place.