Boris Johnson has become UK Prime Minister, so begins another difficult Brexit tussel but perhaps the EU has lost the upper hand. May wasn't going to allow a no deal Brexit and the EU traded on that, but Boris is of a different opinion and he will bring a new level of brinkmanship

It's still going to cost the UK heavily, no matter how the dufus look a like goes about it. Just what the world needs another minority elected dufus.

May promised to give the people what they clearly voted for . She did not deliver. Brexit is not the tragedy that the chicken little's of the world believe . The Brits will still have commerce with Europe and the world .They will still be part of the NATO alliance . They will be free to negotiated their own deals . They will be free of being governed from Brussels by unelected bureaucrats .

I agree Tom Brexit is what the English, who form the majority in the UK want, they are sick of over-regulation and creeping socialism, and I can laugh as the Uk may resume a relationship with my nation which they carelessly threw away, destroying a number of our industries

There is a lesson for the US regarding socialism in this

It's still going to cost the UK heavily, no matter how the dufus look a like goes about it. Just what the world needs another minority elected dufus.

Tal you don't know he is dufus, he may be a very smart man. In the British system you don't get to be Prime Minister by being the last man standing. I know you hate real democracy Tal but this man has the difficult task of implementing the result of real democracy so let us not pre judge

May promised to give the people what they clearly voted for . She did not deliver. Brexit is not the tragedy that the chicken little's of the world believe . The Brits will still have commerce with Europe and the world .They will still be part of the NATO alliance . They will be free to negotiated their own deals . They will be free of being governed from Brussels by unelected bureaucrats .

They other governing Brits didn't like the deal, so they got none, okay out with May, in with the dufus look alike and he has the same problem May did. Getting Brexit done. I seriously doubt the union will give away the farm for free or give the Brits the same deal they had before Brexit, but who knows.


Tal you don't know he is dufus, he may be a very smart man. In the British system you don't get to be Prime Minister by being the last man standing. I know you hate real democracy Tal but this man has the difficult task of implementing the result of real democracy so let us not pre judge

Yeah he is a dufus too, and under the Brit system of government he was made PM by a small group of parliament and we will see if they get back with you or not, because the fight for a deal to exit the EU still looms large.

Get back with me when that is done. Anything else is premature.

Get back with me when that is done. Anything else is premature.

well Tal you can get back to me when they impeach Trump anything else is premature on your side of the pond

Impeach or reject at the ballot box whichever comes first. Hope you get your business back from the brits Clete.

Impeach or reject at the ballot box whichever comes first. Hope you get your business back from the brits Clete.

I think it may be too late Tal those industries went through readjustment and they are mainly agricultural and we are in the grip of a severe drought so can't see reinvestment, but who knows where investment flows might go from Britain when they no longer have EU interests, we might get an inflow of European migrants again and that would be nice. All those disaffected scots and irish may be looking for a new home

The dufus is looking for a few new white people too, so you may have competition.

Impeach or reject at the ballot box whichever comes first.

When you start growing faint, then stop holding your breath over this.

The dufus is looking for a few new white people too, so you may have competition.

Yes but we have a better climate, less snow and ice any way we are not afraid of competing with you and you can have all the hispanics so don't be greedy

Yes but we have a better climate,

Am I wrong in thinking that most of Australia is a barren wasteland with virtually no inhabitants?

Sounds like my jimd of place!

Sounds like my jimd of place!
My jimd of place would be Australia's coast!

jimd=kind!!!!

jimd=kind!!!!
I like jimd. Sounds exotic!

jimd=kind!!!!

I thought it was New Testament Greek.

Am I wrong in thinking that most of Australia is a barren wasteland with virtually no inhabitants?

TypicaL Propaganda, This continent has some large deserts but then so does your southwest

The population is concentrated in the east and south west but we lack the large river systems that provide you with abundant water and inland water ways To say most is a barren waste land is incorrect. The monsoon is a feature in the north a place largely inhabited by indigenous and somewhat underdeveloped

Your population is 15 times ours for the same area but then you were centuries ahead of us in immigration


My jimd of place would be Australia's coast!

Applause but which coast, I assume you refer to the east coast. A very beautiful place, however there are some dangerous fauna which for the most part we ignore

My Father spoke highly of Australia....he was there for a period of time during WWII where they were staging an invasion of some enemy held islands. Beautiful Beaches in the northern part of Australia but looks are deceiving: Killer Saltwater Crocodiles, killer sharks, and killer Box Jellyfish inhibit those waters.

My Father spoke highly of Australia....he was there for a period of time during WWII where they were staging an invasion of some enemy held islands. Beautiful Beaches in the northern part of Australia but looks are deceiving: Killer Saltwater Crocodiles, killer sharks, and killer Box Jellyfish inhibit those waters.

Not to speak of the locals, they were our protection from the Japanese thus they didn't invade. The crocs and the sharks get a few unwary now and again but it is nothing like the carnage inflicted on america by the NRA and their fellow travellers. Oddly enough the presence of these protected animals has never been an excuse to arm the population. None of this has anything to do with Boris who might wish he was facing some box jelly fish right now

Things are hot in the old town tonight looks like Boris will call an election and have no say in Brexit

No Deal, No Exit, No Brexit! The other PM's said screw you Boris. Rather raucous bunch they are across the pond.

I agree they appear to be a bunch of dills

You have to like Boris Johnson: He doesn't want the U.K. to become another dominion of Greater Germany under the E.U. façade....he is so unruly for wanting that....I guess it would be better that he and the rest of the U.K. just kneel to the New German Authority.....but Boris has other renegades in league with him: Matteo Salvini of Italy, for one. SCREW THE E.U. and their German Task Masters!

Boris Johnson, more likely than not, is leading Great Britain into economic collapse. Time will tell.

No Brexit is UK salvation otherwise it will just suffer another european invasion

Salvation? More like cutting off your nose to spite your face, given no new trade deal to replace the one they are trying to run from is in the offing. The EU is the Uk's best trading partner and like here that invasion crap is about FEAR and prejudice more than reality. If Euros (And Americans for that matter) would stop running around being scared they would be making money through growth and expansion which is a GREAT thing if you see the opportunity.

Talaniman: You can't allow a certain group of people to come in and set up enclaves in the country in which they immigrated to....THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH FRANCE: NO ASSIMILATION! The fear is justified (terrorism, killings, raping, etc.) and the governments need to address the fears of the people by alleviating the problem....Like the U.K. wants to do.

No Brexit is UK salvation otherwise it will just suffer another european invasion


What is your opinion on the economic results of Brexit?

Economics doesn't count for anything here in the U.S. in terms of U.S. elections, so says the left! When Clinton was in office, the little dried up human Rat On Acid, James Carville, used to say "Nobody cares about Monica Lewinsky, ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID"....but, NOW THAT TRUMP IS IN OFFICE, AND THE ECONOMY IS GREAT, THE ECONOMY ISN'T IMPORTANT ANY MORE! So, I guess, The U.K. should have no concerns about their economy, according to the left.

To me, it is quite simple, as simple as our relationship with the ChiComs: You do whatever it takes to preserve your national identity....if that means tightening your belt and paying a little more to get that identity back and retain it, so be it! Britain and the British people help beat the of the Germans in two World Wars: Why in the hell should they submit to German domination now? The Germans think they are slick: The E.U. concept is just another methodology for attaining another Greater Germany with hegemony over all the other nations of Europe.....but Britain figured it out! And, now, Italy has figured it out. And the Germans are constantly attempting to keep things riled up between the U.S. and Russia: Germany is the dirty bastard of Europe, still, and they are not to be trusted.

British politics is facinating, but killing a trade agreement and taking a chance of screwing your own economy seems as illogical as a trade war. Hope the British plan B is better than ours.

Talaniman: Every country must hold out its national sovereignty as "sacred".....if they do not, they might as well roll over and give up as a nation, completely. I look at these trade agreements as "somebody is getting the short end of the stick", always. in every single one of them...king of like the infamous "Corporate Agreement" that manufactures have with their suppliers: They are, by construction, designed to screw the brains out of suppliers!

To allow a trade agreement to dictate how you run you country, as the German dominated E.U. does over its members, is complete and udder horse dung! E.U. is Economic Union....when the E.U. is allowed to dictate domestic affairs to its member nations, as it has been doing, something is bad, bad wrong! At some point you "NO MORE, I'M OUT OF HERE!"

I look at these trade agreements as "somebody is getting the short end of the stick", always. in every single one of them...king of like the infamous "Corporate Agreement" that manufactures have with their suppliers: They are, by construction, designed to screw the brains out of suppliers!




Huh? Try again.

I liken the EU to when 13 colonies united to form a nation and govern as a collective that grew and expanded. Now lets examine why you jump to the conclusion that Germany which one could say was the richest colony was screwing Britain? Let's also examine what Brexit was really about and that's IMMIGRATION among the Euro states.

Just like the poison now being spread in America, FEAR and HATRED of the other wrapped around this sovereignty meme. Why are you surprised that those others would be running from their homes when you did it for a few centuries yourself. Ask yourself WHY your peeps left for America, and why you cannot grasp all of a sudden the others are doing the same darn thing for the same darn reason.

It's the history of man my friend but this time we can take a more humane path than we have had before that doesn't include all the blood and guts of the past to facilitate changes and make the words all men are created equal more than just high sounding words. Or you can stay a barbarian and proclaim your sovereignty as an excuse to perpetrate cruelty and inhumanity in Gods name like you have always done.

What say you heathen?

I liken the EU to when 13 colonies united to form a nation and govern as a collective that grew and expanded. Now lets examine why you jump to the conclusion that Germany which one could say was the richest colony was screwing Britain? Let's also examine what Brexit was really about and that's IMMIGRATION among the Euro states.

Just like the poison now being spread in America, FEAR and HATRED of the other wrapped around this sovereignty meme. Why are you surprised that those others would be running from their homes when you did it for a few centuries yourself. Ask yourself WHY your peeps left for America, and why you cannot grasp all of a sudden the others are doing the same darn thing for the same darn reason.

It's the history of man my friend but this time we can take a more humane path than we have had before that doesn't include all the blood and guts of the past to facilitate changes and make the words all men are created equal more than just high sounding words. Or you can stay a barbarian and proclaim your sovereignty as an excuse to perpetrate cruelty and inhumanity in Gods name like you have always done.

What say you heathen?
You don't get it Brexit is about sovereignty and stopping the advance of socialism. Germany has never lost its socialist roots typified by its leader the East German but Germany has endeavored to dominate Europe for centuries. The British peopels have suffered many invasions and having eastern europeans and africans thrust upon them by decree just isn't where it is going. The channel is an effective a barrier but the Irish Sea isn't, remove the backstop clause and Brexit will happen tomorrow but Europe just wanted to derail it

Paraclete: You delineated the argument magnificently! This whole "welcome every refugee from the Middle East and North Africa with open arms" gimmick that GERMANY AUTHORED was a design behavior from the start: Filthy East German Merkel lied to her own German people: she said they would only take in 750 thousand refugee....ended up being 2 million! Rapes went through the roof! But the Germans used maneuvers/leverage to force other E.U. nations to accept refugees, too, even if they didn't want to do so....Finally, some of them have told Germany to go get f$#&ed! This was all a German ploy to gain even more power!

BTW: I'm German heritage....Germans will not leave anything alone, they constantly want to refine things....you have to contain them.

Yes Clete that was a perfect description of conflation of ancient history, ancient fears and old hates kept alive by the narrow mind of purity of the blood, and isolationism, but mostly FEAR, and HATE! I can't blame Euros being insecure though with the history of blood and guts behind you. Kind of fitting though that the ones exploited by Euros for so long would run to Europe for salvation only to find the doors closed and locked.

You broke it so you own it. So fix it instead of hiding behind the excuse of sovereignty and walls.

So fix it instead of hiding behind the excuse of sovereignty and walls.

I didn't break it so I don't need to fix it. We can thank the US for this, instead of levelling Germany after WWII you built it up again with the excuse you needed a bullwark against the Russians. You still have that thinking

I didn't break it so I don't need to fix it. We can thank the US for this, instead of levelling Germany after WWII you built it up again with the excuse you needed a bullwark against the Russians. You still have that thinking


Leveling Germany after WW1 led directly to 50 million dead in WW2. Building it up again after WW2 gave the world 75 years (and counting) without a major world war.

Leveling Germany after WW1 led directly to 50 million dead in WW2. Building it up again after WW2 gave the world 75 years (and counting) without a major world war.

But in reality it is just taking longer because the protagonists have changed. You think that Germany has been taken out of the equation, absorbed, it is true few conquerors who fall rise again quickly, particularly after they have been crushed more than once
but Germany now has the economic domination it sought and only Russia keeps it in check. Germany will not be a military power again but they will try to forge Europe into one. If Germany hadn't been led by a lunatic they might have succeeded in WWII, expanding their borders and reunifying their race

If Germany hadn't been led by a lunatic they might have succeeded in WWII


If Germany hadn't been led by a lunatic, there never would have been a WW2 to succeed in.

Paraclete is correct: Germany seeks to conquer Europe AGAIN but by a different route......the refugees were simply a ploy to get the other nations distracted while they worked on the plan....to Germany, Russia is an obstacle!

Paraclete is correct: Germany seeks to conquer Europe AGAIN but by a different route......to Germany, Russia is an obstacle!


Russia is an obstacle to many countries, especially Ukraine. I don't think Germany is unique in that. Oddly, Russia's best friend seems to the good ol' USA, at least as long as Vlad's boyfriend is in power.


(Germany's) refugees were simply a ploy to get the other nations distracted while they worked on the plan

What refugees? What ploy? What distractions? What plan? A brief explanation will be welcome.

Russia is an obstacle to many countries, especially Ukraine. I don't think Germany is unique in that. Oddly, Russia's best friend seems to the good ol' USA, at least as long as Vlad's boyfriend is in power.



What refugees? What ploy? What distractions? What plan? A brief explanation will be welcome.

Speaking of which,

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531


Checking to see if this will be part of the money grab for wall money program the dufus has initiated. There are report that other Eastern European defensive military projects are part of this project but cannot confirm that at this time but just speculating if the dufus is help Vlad's interests, or our own, and our allies. Vlad would love to destroy NATO, and is the dufus and his right wing Euro/Americans helping him out?

There are report that other Eastern European defensive military projects are part of this project but cannot confirm that at this time but just speculating if the dufus is help Vlad's interests, or our own, and our allies. Vlad would love to destroy NATO, and is the dufus and his right wing Euro/Americans helping him out?

Rachel Maddow show had long list of official projects de-funded to build wall. Put out by the White House.

Yes. just about every Eastern European project has been cancelled. She might have the list on her web site. Exactly what one thought Trump would have done.

Another one for the Courts.

Look, gentlemen, we (the West) tried like hell to emasculate the German nation and form it in our image (the part ofit we had in ou possession)….this was nation building which everyone supported, and it sounds like you also supported when you talk about 75 years of peace....And I bet a lot of you think we made Germany into a nation of placid, flaccid, and nonaggressive bunch: You think we re-engineered the German people....if you think that, you are way wrong: Like Paraclete alluded to earlier: The Germans are just pursuing another tactic to conquer Europe: Use your brains! You still are caught up in Cold War mantra: Its obsolete! The Russians aren't the troublemaker (forget Crimea, which is ethnically Russian and was Russian until '58)….the Germans want us to stay at odds with Russia because it helps them get more room to maneuver and draw more nation into the German web, better known as the E.U. The whole deal with Brexit and them trying to make and example that its the wrong thing to do is all about preventing other nations from breaking away from Greater Germany E.U.

All this time I thought California and New York were trying to conquer the world. Okay Vac7 where did you get such a position from?

Talaniman: You could say it was a rather dynamic equation that brought me to this conclusion....I won't bother you with the constants or the coefficients but the variables include: 1) being of German heritage myself, kind of an insider's information, psychologically and family history wise, 2) knowing something of German history, 3) working with many Germans in my field of Engineering, 4) seeing the inter-behavior of Germany change since the fall of the wall, and seeing the intra-behavior of Germany since the fall of the wall. I wouldn't trust Germany in an outhouse even with them having a muzzle on: don't turn your back on them.

You don't have to trust anyone to deal with them, and Germans are hardly the only humans with ambitions, or need muzzles. I could share a few equations myself.

You don't have to trust anyone to deal with them, and Germans are hardly the only humans with ambitions, or need muzzles. I could share a few equations myself.

Do Tell, hope your advice starts at home

I agree Clete if only the congress of the US would emulate the parliment of the UK and push back on the big mouth bully talking crazy. We seem to let our loony dufus run roughshod instead of standing up against the bully.

The U.S. President is the U.S. President: The most powerful man in the world: You aren't going to push him but one time before he'll react in an unpredictable and retaliatory way. Pushing Trump is not without risks: His shear will and enormous personality are the reason why the Republican won the contested Congressional Seat in N.C. this week. The President is not equaled by Congress and the idea that he is equaled by Congress is not realistic.

The U.S. President is the U.S. President: The most powerful man in the world: You aren't going to push him but one time before he'll react in an unpredictable and retaliatory way. Pushing Trump is not without risks: His shear will and enormous personality are the reason why the Republican won the contested Congressional Seat in N.C. this week. The President is not equaled by Congress and the idea that he is equaled by Congress is not realistic.

And I thought your constitution placed the three pillars in balance. What a crock

Paraclete: That's the way the engine is supposed to be tuned but its a bit out of tune at present: When one man can give the order to "PUSH THE BUTTON," and only one man can, do you really think that the three branches are equal? Not hardly. Now, Paraclete, when I frame it in that light, it looks a little bit different, doesn't?

Elements of the U.S. Government design are a little adulterated currently and The POTUS has no equals. It might come back into equilibrium one day but there are no guarantees.

However, you can rest assured and have no fear: No matter how the U.S. is governed, the U.S. is still in charge of its faculties and the faculties of many other nations.

However, you can rest assured and have no fear: No matter how the U.S. is governed, the U.S. is still in charge of its faculties and the faculties of many other nations.

On the contrary, I think we all need to fear the outcomes from a nation which thinks it rules the world, and which is ruled by a petulant child

We don't RULE the world but no doubt we dominate many areas of it, and are a catalyst for many countries economies because we deal with darn near everyone in one way or another, especially allies that are militarily challenged against bigger dogs than them. That's just what the big dogs do and have done until they cannot. Don't like it don't deal with us Clete, but as long as you are, stop whining about it. Or is that all the little dogs can do, whine about the big dog.

That's cool if you do it from the safety of your own porch.

I think we all need to fear the outcomes from a nation which thinks it rules the world, and which is ruled by a petulant child


We don't think we rule the world and, compared to previous dominant world powers, we are by far the most beneficent. Can you imagine a Marshall Plan originating in any other world power with the rest of the world on its knees after a huge war? Of course, the Plan helped us to renew a market for our products. Win-win.

The US is founded on principles that its citizens fervently believe in, not always perfectly. It is these principles that are a magnet to immigrants suffering oppression all over the world. Immigrants are the spice of America coming in all flavors. They are the yeast, leavening and rising.

As to the petulant child, that is the saddest chapter in the nation's governance. But soon it will be no more than a forgettable footnote in this always renewing great experiment.

As to the petulant child, that is the saddest chapter in the nation's governance. But soon it will be no more than a forgettable footnote in this always renewing great experiment.

Indeed, and perhaps there is only one solution

What's that?

Revolution

Yes the next election, or the one after in two years.

Paraclete: We've already done one of those and kicked to same bunch out that made your home country a Penal Colony....and, we've had a Civil War, too, and the right side won that civil war, and if the right side hadn't have won it, we wouldn't be the United States Of America that we are.....we aren't about to have a redo of either The Revolutionary War or The Civil War....you can forget abut that.....No, the U.S. will opt-out of either one of these and keep building on what makes us great and makes us the envy of the world....And, if times are such that we don't like who is running the show here right now, there is an election coming up and we will let the people of the U.S. decide AT THE BALLOT BOX EXACTLY WHO they do want in Office, whatever the Office/s will be.....Don't let a bunch of idiots or goons running around our streets make you think that the U.S. is out of control here at home, the Engine For Democracy is turned on and running on all cylinders. We have a system in place for almost 250 years now that gives us a blueprint of how to operate these United States and it works pretty darned good...and we aren't changing anything. And, believe me, the people of the U.S. might do some fighting amongst ourselves but its kids play compared to the fighting that any outsiders will find if they try to interfere with how we run things here at home.....they best leave us alone.....In the end, Americans stick together.

paraclete: We've already done one of those and kicked to same bunch out that made your home country a penal colony....and, we've had a civil war, too, and the right side won that civil war, and if the right side hadn't have won it, we wouldn't be the united states of america that we are.....we aren't about to have a redo of either the revolutionary war or the civil war....you can forget abut that.....no, the u.s. Will opt-out of either one of these and keep building on what makes us great and makes us the envy of the world....and, if times are such that we don't like who is running the show here right now, there is an election coming up and we will let the people of the u.s. Decide at the ballot box exactly who they do want in office, whatever the office/s will be.....don't let a bunch of idiots or goons running around our streets make you think that the u.s. Is out of control here at home, the engine for democracy is turned on and running on all cylinders. We have a system in place for almost 250 years now that gives us a blueprint of how to operate these united states and it works pretty darned good...and we aren't changing anything. And, believe me, the people of the u.s. Might do some fighting amongst ourselves but its kids play compared to the fighting that any outsiders will find if they try to interfere with how we run things here at home.....they best leave us alone.....in the end, americans stick together.

extremely well said!

Paraclete: We've already done one of those and kicked to same bunch out that made your home country a Penal Colony....and, we've had a Civil War, too, and the right side won that civil war, and if the right side hadn't have won it, we wouldn't be the United States Of America that we are.....we aren't about to have a redo of either The Revolutionary War or The Civil War....you can forget abut that.....No, the U.S. will opt-out of either one of these and keep building on what makes us great and makes us the envy of the world....And, if times are such that we don't like who is running the show here right now, there is an election coming up and we will let the people of the U.S. decide AT THE BALLOT BOX EXACTLY WHO they do want in Office, whatever the Office/s will be.....Don't let a bunch of idiots or goons running around our streets make you think that the U.S. is out of control here at home, the Engine For Democracy is turned on and running on all cylinders. We have a system in place for almost 250 years now that gives us a blueprint of how to operate these United States and it works pretty darned good...and we aren't changing anything. And, believe me, the people of the U.S. might do some fighting amongst ourselves but its kids play compared to the fighting that any outsiders will find if they try to interfere with how we run things here at home.....they best leave us alone.....In the end, Americans stick together.

What is a great shame is you didn't learn from any of it. The fact is you didn't need a revolution to become a great nation, nor did you need a civil war to tear your country apart. You cannot say you stick together because you remain divided. I have no doubt there are pockets where life is good, good for the privileged, but what does your ballot box do? every two years it creates a situation where the government is in stalemate and it takes a crisis for you to agree on anything.

You americans like to talk about our roots as a penal colony but the start of your nation is hardly much different, people driven from their homes to a far shore where they barely survived

Paraclete: No, we needed a revolution to gain independence and we had a civil war because the nation WAS tearing itself apart with state trying to secede from the Union...that wasn't going to be allowed. The U.S. became great by how we grew as a nation out of those conflicts.

Don't take what I said as an affront to Australia, that certainly wasn't the intent, at all....Australia has done pretty well for itself, by all indications, too.....and Australia and the U.S. have a lot in common and it isn't just the commonality of the language. And guess what: A lot of countries think we're both uncultured heathens and probably always will....you can't please everybody.

The U.S. is still a society in continual development...and it will be that way going forward, as far into the future as we can see......and the truth be know, that is what was intended by the Founding Fathers from the start of it all: Continual honing, continual sharpening, trying to make it better and better as we go. Granted, we have a ways to go even yet but we won't stop....and they'll be plenty of injustices discovered and corrected along the way.

The ballot box is the best way for free citizens to address grievances with those who are in government elected offices....this, too, was by design! Yes, we have a lot of hoopla every couple of years, a lot of shouting and screaming and finger pointing and dire predictions of doom and gloom but once those elections are over we tend to settle down and keep moving forward TOGETHER!

A lot of countries think we're both uncultured heathens and probably always will....

You really do only speak for yourself and about yourself, what anyoneelse thinks is a mystery to you. You think you have something in common with us. What might that be, I wonder?

Paraclete: What we have in common? Hhmmm? Not too hard to see the similarities: 1) language, 2) same parent nation, 3) conflicts with same parent nation, 4) looked down on as by same parent nation, 5) allies in 2 World Wars and 2 police action conflicts, 6) trading partners, 7) problems with immigration, 8) problems with terrorists....and there are others....But, man, you guys are way ahead of us on immigration: You just said that if you land here you CAN NOT STAY, YOU WILL BE RETURNED TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM! Trump could learn from you.

You had me in your corner with your analysis, but having brown people, kids and women mostly, but men too, in cages or jail if you prefer, while white Euros have never been treated like or worse than zoo animals, is but a lesson in blatant racism.

Maybe Australia can get away with it, but a nation of immigrants should never be involved with that kind of behavior. Another point you left out is the EUROS conquering an occupied land, a history we both share though they skipped the import of blacks in chains to build a country.

They owe no back pay to generations of free labor.

Talaniman: I was using IRONY.....or at least trying to use it.....I guess I screwed that up...I ain't very good at it, obviously! I didn't mean that WE should do it. literally! We don't need to do that.

You had me in your corner with your analysis, but having brown people, kids and women mostly, but men too, in cages or jail if you prefer, while white Euros have never been treated like or worse than zoo animals, is but a lesson in blatant racism.

Maybe Australia can get away with it, but a nation of immigrants should never be involved with that kind of behavior. Another point you left out is the EUROS conquering an occupied land, a history we both share though they skipped the import of blacks in chains to build a country.

They owe no back pay to generations of free labor.

We got some free labour we just sent them back where they came from, a mistake on your part to keep them, not on ours. As to occupied land, yes there were people here, a bit thin on the ground, but it is acknowledged a little difficult to know what part was occupied, no signs, no fences, etc.


Yes Tal is right we have had to pay for what we got, to carve a nation out of a wilderness, this we do have in common with you but there the similarity ends

Paraclete: You really don't believe that having carved a nation out of wilderness is all the U.S. and Australia have in common, do you? Mother tongue is a huge similarity.....as is having the same mother! Not to mention: Australia is a bit of a "melting pot" as is the U.S. There are more commonalities than there are differences!

Paraclete: You really don't believe that having carved a nation out of wilderness is all the U.S. and Australia have in common, do you? Mother tongue is a huge similarity.....as is having the same mother! Not to mention: Australia is a bit of a "melting pot" as is the U.S. There are more commonalities than there are differences!

Vac, t'is sad that the heavy foot of the British walked both lands, however, there are many Irish here and we borrow some of our thinking from them, while you filled yourself from Europe's displaced we were not so quick to follow. Your elite doesn't have the same compositions as ours, so those commonalities may not be what you think. You play two peculiar games, the understanding of which is beyond us. Our melting pot has some notable differences, we are Australians, we make no distinction regarding where we have come from and any man who does is regarded as fool.

Paraclete: Now you say the thing that I think: If the U.S. has ever made a big mistake, it is how we continue to discern differences amongst people....a practice that should have gone out of favor long ago. How are we supposed to have "unity" when we continue to make sure we are so succinct about what we are in terms of race or otherwise ethnicity? It has always been a bone spur to me because this "race identity" serves no purpose other than continuing down a road which doesn't have a good ending. Yes, must agree with you: Australia has, as has Brazil, done a much better job at stitching this up than we have.....I believe it has to come to and end in the U.S. if we are going to ever move the ball forward.

I disagree with you both, since obviously racism, hidden, institutionalized or politicized is an effective tool for those in power to keep power and what better weapon than one that divides the groups through fear and hatred instead of celebrating the similarities despite the differences.

More and more those that are dominated by the fear and hate are simply growing outnumbered, so safe for me to say that stupid stuff will slowly come to an end and the haters will have little choice but shut the freak up! Hope I see it in my lifetime. Celebrate the differences, why not?

Talaniman: That's kind of what we are saying, the difference that we are talking about between Australia and the U.S. is that in the U.S., WE LEAD EVERYTHING WITH THE IDENTIFICATION OF RACE, most of the time before anything else, on government documents, civic documentation, etc., and Australia does not....to the Aussies, everyone is an Aussie FIRST, they are free to maintain their own identities and aren't persecuted for it, but race doesn't come into the conversation. I just think that the way we do it divides people into groups...not good!

Talaniman: That's kind of what we are saying, the difference that we are talking about between Australia and the U.S. is that in the U.S., WE LEAD EVERYTHING WITH THE IDENTIFICATION OF RACE, most of the time before anything else, on government documents, civic documentation, etc., and Australia does not....to the Aussies, everyone is an Aussie FIRST, they are free to maintain their own identities and aren't persecuted for it, but race doesn't come into the conversation. I just think that the way we do it divides people into groups...not good!

Thanks Vac, you know I buy my Fish and Chips from a Thai who spends his winters in Thailand, I often visit a Chinese restaurant, the owners have australian names, there are Irish pubs in this town and noone gives a fig where you come from, only that you want to live here and be part of the community. Having said that, you come here legally or you don't come at all. Now I want to know what that braggart who leads you is going to do about the challenge that has been placed before him. I think he will whimper like the pu$$y he is

Talaniman: That's kind of what we are saying, the difference that we are talking about between Australia and the U.S. is that in the U.S., WE LEAD EVERYTHING WITH THE IDENTIFICATION OF RACE, most of the time before anything else, on government documents, civic documentation, etc., and Australia does not....to the Aussies, everyone is an Aussie FIRST, they are free to maintain their own identities and aren't persecuted for it, but race doesn't come into the conversation. I just think that the way we do it divides people into groups...not good!

Ethnic identity, or acknowledgement there of is not a bad thing unless it becomes used that way. No doubt people have their prejudices and bigotries but it does take a willful person to make it a weapon, and that's exactly what we have. People who use the cultural/racial differences a divide for their own purpose.

Not so easy to do in some countries, like Australia where the Euro culture is extremely dominant. Much easier here where the minorities are becoming majorities. Let's face it, a segment of the Euro descendants here ain't giving that heritage up without a fight.

Paraclete: I like the Australian style when it comes to how they handle people: how they assimilate them and how they handle raw immigration.....I like the legality of how you gentlemen do it: I believe we need to stick by our laws, otherwise, why have the laws in the first place.

I guess you are referring to The POTUS, President Trump....but what challenge are you referring to because he is confronting many right now. I don't think he is the greatest POTUS of all time but he certainly is not the worst, either. You call him a P@#%& but I don't think that applies to him....he is confrontational and up front about things facing the nation, possibly more so than any POTUS ever. He has so much $$$ that situations and fear of losing never enter his thoughts. Ahhh: the freedom of clear thoughts that only $$$s can bring. Money is, truly, the root of all evil but you must have it to survive.

I refer to the challenge of Iran, which is a manifestation of Islam, just as Saudi Arabia is a manifestation of Islam and the great challenge is to contain these forces which are like matter and anti-matter. Other issues are largely of his making. Money doesn't bring clarity of thought, it brings fear, fear of loss

I don't think he is the greatest POTUS (Trump) of all time but he certainly is not the worst, either.

He is by far the worst president this nation has ever had - #2 worst is light years behind Trump.


You call him a P@#%& but I don't think that applies to him

It's a perfect description - he is a PIG. Where were you when his ideas on women were revealed?


He has so much $$$ that situations and fear of losing never enter his thoughts.

His fear of losing is not from his money, it is from his narcissism. He has shown again and again that he is not capable of responding other than viciously to the slightest less-than-admiring comment.


Money is, truly, the root of all evil but you must have it to survive.

This tells us a great deal of why you misunderstand so much. It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil - not the money itself.

Athos: O.K., you make some good points....I believe in giving credit when credit is due.

President Trump is a fighter and maybe the best one we ever had...he has had to fight every day of his Presidency and even before he stepped into office. I can not help but have some level of respect for the guy who is clearly outnumbered by his foes because his allies are so entirely gutless: Republicans are entirely a weird bunch...I certainly would never count on them in a bar fight.....they never back Trump to the hilt like Democrats back almost every one of their own. Glad I am a Libertarian.

I know Trump has had indiscretions with women BEFORE he entered office and those were despicable.....but Bill Clinton had disgusting indiscretions with women WHILE HE WAS POTUS AND IN THE OVAL OFFICE AND HE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, WAS FOUND GUILTY OF PUJURY, AND WAS IMPEACHED BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE DECENCY TO LEAVE OFFICE....so, up to this point, its THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK when people want to talk about Trump and women until they have to gumption to admit Clinton was as much of a pig or even a bigger pig than is Trump.

You know Trump has a large ego....but is it any bigger than was Obama's or Clinton's or Bush's or Reagan's or Carter's or Nixon's or Johnson's or Kennedy's, etc. ag nauseum.....point I'm trying to make here is that every POTUS is a narcissist and every POTUS partakes in narcissistic behavior....as does every other world leader, for that matter.....and, wouldn't you want them all to be? What you perceive as narcissism is actually just extreme self-confidence, in many cases. I like people with self-confidence....I like people who are "Glass Half Full" as opposed to "Glass Half Empty" type of individuals. Do you want a non-self confident POTUS? I don't think anyone does. And every day that that Stock Market and Dow goes up, every day that the U.S. Economy continues to grow, every day that more and more proof begins to reveal that the U.S. Economy is becoming more and more inflation proof, despite what the nay-sayers have desperately tried to portray as otherwise, you can bet President Trumps self-confidence and, more importantly, the confidence that the American People have in him, grows ever more large! There was a German General in WWII named General Walter Model: He was largely thought of as a pompous and arrogant SOB who used a monocle (man I like monocles, so cool!) ....and maybe he was but it was his self-confidence that made him one of best generals of any side during the war, having defeated British, Soviet, and American offensives in each of three consecutive months in the Fall of '44.....LEADERS HAVE CONFIDENCE and it is often misdiagnosed as narcissism.

Athos: Thank you for enlightening me on the money quote....I have never thought of it in those terms....YOU, SIR, ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Love of money is the abscess that invades our minds, clutters our thought processes, makes us do wrong rather than right, and robs us of our wits. Truth be known, its a curse form the day of the Bible....when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, we were CONDEMNED TO A LIFE OF TOIL AND TASK....and money is the carrot we all clamor to get at....and the stick is all the rotten things we do to get that carrot.

V7, Trump fights to get himself out of bed each day and dithers during his McDonald's breakfast which golf course he'll fly to that day.

There is a fine line between a self confidence leader, and meglomaniacal control freak. The dufus crosses that line on many levels.

its THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK when people want to talk about Trump and women until they have to gumption to admit Clinton was as much of a pig or even a bigger pig than is Trump.

Clinton was no prize. What he did with Lewinsky was a disgrace - an evil use of power. However, that does NOT excuse Trump from his brand of evil.



You know Trump has a large ego....but is it any bigger than was Obama's or Clinton's or Bush's or Reagan's or Carter's or Nixon's or Johnson's or Kennedy's, etc. ag nauseum.....point I'm trying to make here is that every POTUS is a narcissist and every POTUS partakes in narcissistic behavior....as does every other world leader, for that matter.....and, wouldn't you want them all to be? What you perceive as narcissism is actually just extreme self-confidence, in many cases.

It's true that super-sized egos seem to be a requirement for public office, especially the presidency. There's no other explanation for most of the dozen Democratic candidates (or 2016's Republicans). However, Trump is an exception. Based on his twitters, his public appearances and his behavior as president, he has been diagnosed as possessing a MALIGNANT narcissism. This is not the ordinary narcissism. It is a pathological condition. There is plenty of information if you wish to Google the term.


And every day that that Stock Market and Dow goes up, every day that the U.S. Economy continues to grow, every day that more and more proof begins to reveal that the U.S. Economy is becoming more and more inflation proof,

No economy is inflation proof. Where did you get this idea?


the confidence that the American People have in him, grows ever more large!

Good grief! His popularity remains low at between upper 30s and low 40s. It's been like that since day one. Currently, it's as low as it it's ever been. Where do you get these notions?

It's scary to think, even at such low numbers, that Trump has a core of supporters who stay with him no matter how bizarre he acts. It's good to know you're not one of them.

Athos: Do you still believe in the fairytales called "Polls"? What did Polls get you in 2016? Polls got you Trump, that's what Polls got you! And, guess what? The left is going to eat another bunch of POLLS COME 2020, too! You can make all the excuses you wish but its inevitable, its going to happen: Silverstein, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc....the whole lot of them will say Trump is going to lose, even though they know, in their dark heart of hearts, that it is a complete lie....and they will keep right on lying in the public's faces right up to the moment he wins by a landslide! Remember your little dried up "RAT ON ACID" in the Clinton Administration named James Carville? He said "ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID!" People VOTE FOR THEIR POCKETBOOKS! And Trump has done more to line the American wallet than any POTUS is our lifetimes. The American people don't want to get taxed to death by Democrats, no matter how much you try to coax them into voting for leftist candidates with promises of legalizing dope! If they don't have money to spend, they can't even buy their precious dope!

No, you are right, no economy is inflation proof but Trump is building one hell of a WALL AGAINST INFLATION by building the economy's strength.

Where is/Who is the MD that interviewed/examined Trump and tested him to diagnose him as MALIGNANT NARCISSIST? When was this examination conducted? Is the medical file public? How did you read it....and don't tell me you got it off the internet! You see where I am going with this: You can find any fool or any number of fools to support whatever narrative has been outlined.....but, regardless, this doesn't make it true.

Trump is putting so many stories, tweets, and orders out so prolifically that the left's beloved Media can not keep up with it all and they can not counter his punches.....TRUMP IS PUMMELING THE DEMOCRATS! And if you think the Democrats have a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL OF TAKING BACK THE PRESIDENCY, YOU ARE ONLY DELUDING YOURSELF. Step back, take a deep breath and accept another four years of CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP!

The beauty of being a Libertarian is seeing the Democrats and Republics rip each other to shreds and being able to enjoy the carnage! The Republicans aren't much but neither are the Democrats. But when it comes to introducing a LEGITIMATE 3RD PARTY, the Democrats and Republics will always join forces to kill off the 3rd Party: Is that Democracy? Isn't that MONOPOLY OF POWER? Isn't that COLLUSION in its truest sense?

Don't blame the 2 political parties for the inability of libertarians to break through as a legitimate political force. Hoping repubs and dems cancel each other out and Libs waltz into the vacuum is a fool's pipe dream, and no substitute for voter support.

Face it my libertarian friend, the country just ain't that into you. Enjoy the show though.

Talaniman: By definition, you know that the system is conducive to corruption when two parties reign in all the power.....its crap! They make it impossible for a 3rd Party to break-through.

Rise to the challenge or drown in your own crap. Here's an idea, divorce the repubs.

3rd parties normaly have their ideas stolen by the major parties. That is what is happening with libertarians . Their ideas are being adopted by the Democrats wholesale.

Didn't the repubs kick all the RINO'S out a few years ago? Except for Rand.

Rand isn't a Rhino.....he can't fight worth a damn but he is not Rhino!:)