From USA Today:

Today [Wednesday, 06/19/19] the Trump administration announced plans for a unique July Fourth celebration – a made-for-TV event starring President Donald J. Trump.

Trump will deliver a speech from the Lincoln Memorial as part of a daylong series of events that includes a military-themed parade near the National Mall and flyovers featuring planes used for Air Force One, officials said.

“There is no more appropriate place to celebrate the anniversary of American independence than among the Nation’s monuments on the National Mall and the memorials to the service men and women who have defended the United States for the past 243 years,” Interior Secretary David Bernhardt said in a statement.

Trump's address at the Lincoln Memorial, to be delivered at a "Salute to America" event at 6:30 p.m. on Independence Day, is designed "to honor America’s armed forces," the Interior Department said.

The president, who pushed for new July Fourth events based on a military parade he saw in France, promoted the new holiday approach during his speech Tuesday announcing his re-election bid. He urged supporters in Orlando, Florida, to bring flags to the event.

Critics of the idea say it would turn a popular holiday tradition into a political rally. They question how the Trump-inspired events will affect traditional Fourth of July programs such as the annual concert on Capitol Hill featuring various entertainers and the National Symphony orchestra.

"Our founders were ready to give their lives for this country and that's what we celebrate on the Fourth of July," Democratic strategist Jesse Ferguson said. "Donald Trump wants to basically cancel the nonpartisan celebration of America and force us to celebrate him, instead."

The administration listed the traditional "Capitol Fourth Concert" on the west lawn of the Capitol as one of the holiday events. It is now joined by others that include:
1) a "National Independence Day parade" to run 10 blocks along Constitution Avenue, which parallels the National Mall. It will feature marching bands, fife and drum corps, floats, military units, giant balloons, equestrian, and drill teams.
2) a "Salute to America" at the Lincoln Memorial in which Trump " leads a celebration of America’s military with music, military demonstrations and flyovers," according to the Interior Department.
3) the traditional fireworks display, the launch for which has been moved to West Potomac Park and behind the Lincoln Memorial.

Trump has tweeted: "HOLD THE DATE! We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called 'A Salute To America' and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!"

another REALLY, REALLY, BIG PHOTO OP starring the biggest mouth in America

Free food? Catered by McDonalds paid for by taxpayers?

I don't like it .Besides stroking his ego the only real purpose of this is to get higher Trump Hotel fees for the week. Most hotels in DC have vacancies that run about $400 . Trumps hotel is sold out the 3rd and 4th at prices that more than double the average .

I don't like it .Besides stroking his ego the only real purpose of this is to get higher Trump Hotel fees for the week. Most hotels in DC have vacancies that run about $400 . Trumps hotel is sold out the 3rd and 4th at prices that more than double the average .


I don't like it either. The guy is completely classless, and will do anything for a buck.

This country is paying for its sins - African slavery, Native American genocide, and now concentration camps for children - the last one dictated by Trump.

I don't like it either. The guy is completely classless, and will do anything for a buck.

This country is paying for its sins - African slavery, Native American genocide, and now concentration camps for children - the last one dictated by Trump.


They had to do something with those FEMA camps, why not home the homeless and destitute?

another myth .there are no FEMA camps. As for 'concentration camps for children';I just addressed it in the appropriate posting .

The French celebrate Bastile Day with marshall parades . That is not the American way . Anyone with an ounce of sense leaves DC for the beaches on the 4th of July holiday.

This country is paying for its sins - African slavery, Native American genocide, and now concentration camps for children - the last one dictated by Trump.

Not to mention tens of millions of abortions, a government fostered abandonment of family structure, and tens of trillions of dollars of government debt.

Not to mention tens of millions of abortions, a government fostered abandonment of family structure, and tens of trillions of dollars of government debt.

Interesting priorities!

I would have expected nothing else from you.

Interesting priorities!

Yep. Human lives are a great priority. Families are a great priority. Not bringing about the bankruptcy of our country is a great priority. You can be sure to expect a concern for these issues from me.

Your concern was for two issues that were effectively ended over a century ago and one issue that is a complete fabrication. There are no concentration camps. I would suggest you shift your concerns to current issues that are real problems.

This is what we get for electing a corrupt business man to the White House because we want to end abortions, and more conservative judges while we victimize poor women and children, especially those who brave a long perilous journey running from deplorable dangerous conditions only to be treated like animals.

Your Christian values suck!

we victimize poor women and children, especially those who brave a long perilous journey running from deplorable dangerous conditions only to be treated like animals.

Are you talking about the people who are illegally crossing our southern border and who are being treated in the same manner as Obama treated them?

Build the wall and we stop this nonsense. I'm all for treating people with kindness, but when your border is being overrun with people who are breaking the law, then it becomes a very difficult situation.

Your position is the typical liberal one. You are all in favor of someone else helping these people.

Are you talking about the people who are illegally crossing our southern border and who are being treated in the same manner as Obama treated them?

Seeking asylum is LEGAL...and you would know that if you read the LAW and I provided you a link long ago.


Build the wall and we stop this nonsense. I'm all for treating people with kindness, but when your border is being overrun with people who are breaking the law, then it becomes a very difficult situation.

See above, the law hasn't been broken, implementing the process provided by the law is what's broken.


Your position is the typical liberal one. You are all in favor of someone else helping these people.

If following our laws is liberal okay I'm a liberal. I find it fascinating that migrants know our laws better than some of our fellow citizens and that's a shame. Yes I am in favor of our government helping people who need it as a collective society, whether you right wing religious loons like it or not. Your charity helps a few maybe but mine can help many and is not limited to discriminatory inadequate practice and policy, though I will admit there is room for improvement.

We should certainly be doing better as a country despite the huge challenges we face.

Your Christian values suck!

Oppose to (relying on the moral judgments of Ph.D.'s and Oscar winners)?


We should certainly be doing better as a country despite the huge challenges we face.



As technology advances, so, too, does the shading of moral choices that used to seem black or white.

Jesus is our only hope.

Oppose to???

relying on the moral judgments of Ph.D.'s and Oscar winners.

No just my own opinion, mostly observation of words and deeds. There is no room for me to condone the abuse and oppression of those that can least resist such tactics.




I sort of see your point. However I do think we have the technology now to do the right thing for humans in need.

[QUOTE]Jesus is our only hope.

Jesus IS HOPE, but not the ONLY hope, as one can still find the path of Good Orderly Direction whether you believe in Jesus or not, but his example is one that can be emulated.

Seeking asylum is LEGAL...and you would know that if you read the LAW and I provided you a link long ago.

I am aware of that, but I understand that most of those seeking asylum are really just seeking entrance. They full well know that the crazy laws we have makes seeking asylum an avenue into illegal entrance. 90% of them never show up for the hearing.

Hmm, since you saw all this coming, you should have been ready with food water and judges to speed up the process. Problem solved! No cages needed! Of course then the dufus and guys like you wouldn't have much to beetch about and thump your chests in self righteous indignation at some helpless poor people. Throw in a few more bucks you could help Mexico feed and shelter a few kids and women, and look like compassionate thoughtful CHRISTIANS!

Hmm, since you saw all this coming, you should have been ready with food water and judges to speed up the process.

Yeah, like your beloved Mr. Obama had eight years to see this coming and what did he do? If you say, "basically nothing", then you get to go to the front of the line. This blind love of all things Obama and blind hatred of all things Trump really gets kind of old. A little objectivity would be refreshing.

blind hatred of all things Trump really gets kind of old..

The hatred of Obama is all yours. OWN IT!

The hatred of Obama is all yours. OWN IT!

I am happy to own my resistance to the king of abortion, deficit spending, political lying, and governmental scandal. I don't hate the man, but I despised many of his policies.

You guys love the child and cruel human abuse by your dufus. Just admit it!

I don't hate the man, but I despised many of his policies.

Yeah, we've all heard that before - "I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin". What a crock!

Yeah, we've all heard that before - "I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin". What a crock!

What an amazing ability you have to read minds.

What an amazing ability you have to read minds.

I don't like to brag about it, but you have made your first good insight.

military hardware beginning to assemble in DC for the parade .
https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-4450-1.jpg

Yes tanks in the streets, over stuffed Generals everywhere, but everyone loves a parade, but while Trump marches down Pennsylvania Avenue with yesterday's weapons the Chinese unveil their carrier or even fleet busters

yesterday's weapons the Chinese unveil their carrier or even fleet busters

Uhm...carriers aren't exactly the latest thing to come along.

Uhm...carriers aren't exactly the latest thing to come along.

perhaps you missed it in the excitement of the Trump event

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/03/pentagon-condemns-disturbing-chinese-missile-tests-in-south-china-sea.html[/FONT] (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/03/pentagon-condemns-disturbing-chinese-missile-tests-in-south-china-sea.html)

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Uhm...carriers aren't exactly the latest thing to come along.

perhaps you missed it in the excitement of the Trump event

What does a missle system article have to do with your comment about China building a carrier?

What does a missle system article have to do with your comment about China building a carrier?

comprehension, dear boy, I said carrier buster

the Chinese unveil their carrier or even fleet busters

Simple grammar, dear boy. You very plainly referred to TWO things, a carrier and a "fleet buster". Don't they teach grammar in Aussie land? Either that, or you need to learn to write more clearly.

semantics like statistics the lair of the scoundrel

Trump embarrased himself by claiming colonial troops seized the airports .He later claimed his teleprompter went out . So he immediately went into a school house rock version of the history of the armed forces. The military hardware did not participate in the parade . Twitter went viral with memes of Washington commanding troops at airports .https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/2019/07/05/060138/86009032/RevolutionaryWarAirports2.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjkuYyapqHjAhUDhOAKHXqkBpkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebaumsworld.com%2Farticles%2 Ftrumps-revolutionary-war-airports-memes-and-reactions-are-absolutely-hilarious%2F86009032%2F&psig=AOvVaw0shB-_MrU4FlPhY5pQx502&ust=1562537022642965)

I told you he is a dufus! Believe me now?

Yeah. Unfortunately he is not like "I've been to all 57 states" President Obama.

Of course you righties equate a funny gaff with the revolutionary army capturing airports. I suppose you had to find something to blame Obama for to keep the dufus from looking downright stupid.

Again you FAIL to prove that my assessment of him being a lying, cheating dufus is accurate or just name calling. I think the evidence is on my side, and you have NONE on yours.

Of course you righties equate a funny gaff with the revolutionary army capturing airports.

Funny how when a lib says something stupid, it's a "funny gaffe", but when Trump says something dumb (like he really believes there were airports in the 18th century), then he's a lying, cheating dufus.

What a convenient approach for you.

Funny how when a lib says something stupid, it's a "funny gaffe", but when Trump says something dumb (like he really believes there were airports in the 18th century), then he's a lying, cheating dufus.

What a convenient approach for you.
No, he's a lying, cheating dufus for other reasons, not for those. That addition to his speech only shows how stupid he is.

Very rare for a "stupid" person to build a billion dollar business. Thankfully he knows how many states are in the country.

Very rare for a "stupid" person to build a billion dollar business. Thankfully he knows how many states are in the country.
He didn't. He inherited money that he carefully and frequently lost in business deals and business ventures. And what??? No comments about Hillary??? What are you smokin', Willis?

He didn't. He inherited money that he carefully and frequently lost in business deals and business ventures

According to your hero, Hillary, Trump started with about 14 million from his father. He is now worth well over a billion and likely several billion. Do you liberals ever deal with the truth??? So he started with 14 mil, lost money frequently, and ended up with more than a billion? That is some really strange math you're using. Maybe you are the one smoking something.

Trump started with about 14 million from his father. He is now worth well over a billion and likely several billion.
That's because he doesn't pay people who've worked for him. And has cheated to get the rest. He would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman and investor. *cough* Trump steaks, Trump University, Trump tanspray

J the left hates the wealthy and successful. Fortunes come and go . Recovering from a failure is a success .His critics are people too timid to invest in anything but maybe a home and tinker with the money in their company approved 401K plans. Even then when things go south they whine ,complain about the unfairness of it all ;and beg the government to bail them out . IF he did not pay his employees ;the word would spread and he would certainly not have nearly as many loyal employees as he's had . As for him making a profit from his brand …...what exactly is wrong with that ?

As for him making a profit from his brand …...what exactly is wrong with that ?
Absolutely nothing. But most of them were abysmal failures.

IF he did not pay his employees ;the word would spread and he would certainly not have nearly as many loyal employees as he's had .
And he's not supposed to pay his employees so he can, instead, be rich???? Loyal employees? You apparently don't read their revelations.

That's because he doesn't pay people who've worked for him. And has cheated to get the rest. He would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman and investor.

Good grief. First you try to say he inherited his fortune and then lost much of it. When that is proven to be untrue, then you want to put forward different accusations. So tell me, what does he pay his people? Do you know? Not just some newspaper allegation, but genuine data of what he pays his employees. Do you know? And he would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman? He turns 14 million into billions. I'd say that is way past decent.

I'm surprised to see you so controlled by TDS. I don't like the guy. I would prefer someone else be pres, but to say he is not good at business is really laughable.

He lies so much I would prefer evidence of his worth and how he got it. Do you have that? If so bring it and stop repeating his version of things.

He's had thousands of employees .A CNNMoney analyst
calculated at least 34,000 jobs attributable to Trump in his business dealings .

In 2015;According to PrivCo, the company CNNMoney used for the study ,the Trump Organization has 22,450 employees and brought in $9.5 billion in annual revenue. And that does not include the multiplier effect where

there are other jobs that might not exist without Trump. NY State estimates that
"leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's hotels and resorts typically
create 1.5 the number of employees Trump hires .

Using that multiplier, CNNMoney calculated that he was responsible for about 34,000 jobs in 2015 .


A few of the employees have been disgruntled . It comes with the territory.


Social media gives them a forum. Nothing to see here . If you heard testimonial from a couple thousand it would be a big deal. All you've heard is testimonial from a few .

Looks like evidence to me.

It's a private organization and while you can speculate, there are no books on the company or tax returns in which to accurately evaluate his business practices or wealth. I'll just wait until al the investigations are over, and get REAL evidence. No disrespect to the followers of a proven liar cheater and shady dealer, but I remain a sceptic of the veracity of the dufus, and the capitalist agenda in general, and have said so over the years here before the dufus. That extends to everybody even Oprah as far as I'm concerned, because while nothing wrong with being rich, that trickle down job creator crap is what stops the whole economy from working for everybody just because it stops the circulation from reaching the least and extracts the wealth to the few, and gives the few the unfair power of devaluing the many for that purpose.

My evidence is reality, a chef is worth more than a teacher, your costs of living goes up, your wages do not. Some may not care about such disparities and don't care but I suppose you get what you pay for, and if you can't pay, you get nothing. To some that means you are NOTHING, no matter how hard you work, and that to me is just crap.

That extends to everybody even Oprah as far as I'm concerned, because while nothing wrong with being rich, that trickle down job creator crap is what stops the whole economy from working for everybody j

She also has hired thousands of people . She also launched the career's of others like Dr Phil ,Dr Oz who likewise hire scores of people . Her philanthropy is too numerous to list . But I get your POV . You think the government would be much more efficient at confiscating and distributing the money she has made and earned through her hard work .

No I think Oprah is no better than Ms Morgan, the widow who gets up at 5am to catch the bus to where she works and starts at 8. for her job she has worked for the last 18 years. You know the other half of the population that has no retirement package or 401k who is a decent, hardworking, law abiding citizen whose bus ride and utilities keep going up with the groceries, but her wages have not kept pace.

No disrespect to the followers of a proven liar cheater and shady dealer, but I remain a sceptic of the veracity of the dufus,

Uhm...the information came from CNN, not Trump. You ask for evidence, and then you just completely ignore it since it did not fit into your preconceived ideas.

Really dude? I'm supposed to swallow what CNN or the companies they use present as evidence without fact checking? You do it your way, I will stick with my own process.

Really dude? I'm supposed to swallow what CNN or the companies they use present as evidence without fact checking? You do it your way, I will stick with my own process.

That made me laugh for two reasons. First of all, if you have done your "fact checking", then present what you found. I suspect you have found nothing that would contradict what was presented, and that's assuming you have even looked.

Second, to think that CNN would present information intentionally favorable to Trump is about on the level of thinking we did not really land on the moon.

Glad you're amused but I have presented the facts I have found over time. That's how I roll, though you dismiss them or fail to comprehend however I will wait for the investigations to be concluded, and there is still that Mueller Report, that despite the right wing spin, is damning as hell.

You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect. Please spare me the spin, dodge, and comparisons. If that's all you got, you got nothing.

Glad you're amused but I have presented the facts I have found over time

You've presented facts and data about Trump's employment numbers??? Where?


You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect

Kind of hard to answer such a convoluted question. I guess you are asking if I think Trump is given to lying. I would answer he is about as given to lying as Obama and Clinton were/are. And that is how you and I are different. I am perfectly willing to be critical of the guy I voted for. You insist on putting your people up on pedestals and practically worshiping them. If you are wanting to elect an honest man, then you will need to look at Ben Carson. He is about as honest as any major candidate I know of.

He is a fish out of water as most of the dufus circle is and that includes his family in the WH doing the peoples work. I don't see how adding more critters to the swamp helps anything. Why should I go back to Obama when there is so much wrong with the dufus? LOL, you tepid comments on the dufus are nowhere near proof he hasn't been put on some pedestal by you and for the record Obama for all his faults is nowhere near the dufus in lies and incompetence.

To each his own. Right now you own the lies of your hero. Obama did the same thing indeed!

You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect. When did you stop beating your wife ? Prove it

I can prove a lie, a cheat, and the dufus is a dufus. So can you. So can JL, heck even my wife can proe that.

I'll ask this again, but I suspect that I will not get an answer. You've presented facts and data about Trump's employment numbers??? Where?



for the record Obama for all his faults is nowhere near the dufus in lies and incompetence.

When Trump's negligence leads to the deaths of four Americans, and then he lies about it repeatedly, I'll accept your statement. Until then the truth works against you.

Should I include the illegal employees he had for years? I'll repeat without the actual statements the question is moot and what does it matter how many employees he has? Wells Fargo has employees, but did that prevent them from doing dirt? Walmart has employees too, but does that stop them from subsidizing their employees with your tax dollars, or cheap overseas labor?

Does that let him off the hook for stiffing American banks, or contractors that worked for him? Or running scam schools and charities of which he has been banned from doing? Does owning luxury hotels in Washington relieve him of cutting deals with those clients on the taxpayer dime?

When you going to stop holding your nose at his antics, words and behavior, for tax crumbs and right wing judges?

Should I include the illegal employees he had for years? I'll repeat without the actual statements the question is moot and what does it matter how many employees he has? Wells Fargo has employees, but did that prevent them from doing dirt? Walmart has employees too, but does that stop them from subsidizing their employees with your tax dollars, or cheap overseas labor?

Does that let him off the hook for stiffing American banks, or contractors that worked for him? Or running scam schools and charities of which he has been banned from doing? Does owning luxury hotels in Washington relieve him of cutting deals with those clients on the taxpayer dime?

You should include facts that can be corroborated, not mere rumor mill materials from the liberal media.

Now is he an angel? Of course not. I have no doubt he has been guilty of, at the least, skirting the law, just as I am convinced the same is true of Obama and both Clintons. So your protest seem a little disingenuous considering your silence about the others.

That has been my concern all along. I don't care for the "holier than thou" attitude of liberals who supported an administration with a long list of its own scandals.

Your so called scandals are old past news but the dufus is right now scandoulous. Forget the financial reports, all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested at the airport on his jet. Lo and behold the dufus Sec of labor had him years ago, and let him go to keep doing his nasty thang to young girls with his rich friends.

You don't need a link, it's all over the news.

all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested at the airport on his jet. Lo and behold the dufus Sec of labor had him years ago, and let him go to keep doing his nasty thang to young girls with his rich friends.

Yep, and Cori Gauff lost at Wimbleson today. I'm sure you'll try to pin that on Trump as well. I mean, how far a stretch are you willing to make to accommodate your Trump Derangement Syndrome???

In case you haven't noticed, and I'm sure you haven't, it is your beloved Bill Clinton who is in some hot water over this Epstein deal. As reported by Fox, "Documents obtained by Fox News in 2016 indicated that Clinton took at least 26 trips flying aboard Epstein's private jet, known as the "Lolita Express," and apparently ditched his Secret Service detail on some of the excursions. Separately, claims in court showed that President Trump may have flown on the jet at least once, as well."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-clinton-knows-nothing-about-financier-jeffrey-epsteins-terrible-crimes-former-presidents-spokesman-says

Take it easy I don't think I pinned anything on the dufus, but he did nominate Acosta, who approved and negotiated Epstien's sweetheart deal, and to be fair he was confirmed in the senate with some dems voting with repubs. They all knew, including the dufus of the Epstien deal because a few dems questioned Acosta about it. Beyond that I haven't accused anyone of anything but it is a SCANDAL, and people are calling for Acosta to resign.

Another dufus critter may bite the dust amid scandal and controversy. Besides if you called Bill a lying cheater, how could anyone argue the accuracy of that statement.

all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested

Sure sounds like you're trying to pin something on Trump.

I would agree that if the news stories are true and complete, then Acosta needs to go today. His hiring is a poor reflection on Trump.

Biggest target so far in this whole deal is BC. It seems that he lied when he said he only flew four times. There is good evidence that it was in excess of twenty times. Given his history, the story would seem believable.


Besides if you called Bill a lying cheater, how could anyone argue the accuracy of that statement.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Bill is a lying cheater maybe not to the degree as the dufus, but that's a fair statement though, but unless you can tie him to the bad behavior of Epstien, then it's just a small part of a bigger story thus far. A lot of rich important people had rides on his jet. Acosta as I said is but the latest swamp critter caught in controversy and scandal. He ain't the first and unlikely to be the last.

but unless you can tie him to the bad behavior of Epstien, then it's just a small part of a bigger story thus far. It has already been established that Bubba dismissed his secret service protection whenever he travelled with Epstein to his sex island .



but he did nominate Acosta And Mueller and Comey running the investigation for the FBI agreed to end their investigation with the deal .Epstein was working under the direction of Att General Alberto Gonzalez. Nobody's hands are clean in this case

Lots of rich guys shaking in their boots?