AND YET there have been no charges against anyone in the Trump campaign ,or Trump himself that suggest there was any involvement by the Trump campaign in Russian' interference in the election'.
Do the Justice Department and the FBI still stand behind their representation in their FISA applications, and their publicly announced suspicion to Congressional investigators in March 2017 ,that the Trump campaign coordinated in Russia’s cyber operations ?
If they do not continue to stand behind their representations to the court ,the public ,and in Congressional testimony , have they corrected the record with the FISC or the House Intelligence Committee (there has not been any public retraction)?
If they do stand behind their representation, how do they square that position with the indictments filed by Mueller, which have charged no Trump-Russia conspiracy, and which indicate there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy?
We have known since Feb. last year ,after the troll farm indictments that there was no Trump campaign involvement . The latest Stone indictment confirms that. If the Trump team was involved then they would not have gone to such lengths to try to find out from 3rd party sources what Wilki was planning to release .

Look ,all these suspicions were needed to be corroborated BEFORE a FISA application was filed . That is why a FISA application is called a verified application. Unlike other proceedings , the only due process anyone gets ,because the application is classified and there are no lawyers to challenge it ,is that the information brought before the court is impeccable . What the Obama FBI did was turn a FISA warrant into a general fishing expedition warrant .
Devin Nunez ,ranking Republican on the House Intel Committee asked this question week How is it that we are investigating Roger Stone and not Bruce Ohr's testimony that he met with Andrew Weissmann (former Dept Justice attorney and currently Mueller's pit bull) to inform him early in the game that the Steele dossier was the product of a DNC dirty trick ? The fact is that the dossier was the product of the Evita campaign ,and that high ranking members of the Justice Dept knew that ;and did NOT disclose that to the FISA court during the applications.
There should be no special council investigation unless there is a conflict of interest . So why then was Mueller allowed to appoint an assistant who was clearly conflicted ? Although the American people deserve this information ;I'm sure it will be covered up in the final Mueller report .

AND YET there have been no charges against anyone in the Trump campaign ,or Trump himself that suggest there was any involvement by the Trump campaign in Russian' interference in the election'.
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You've got to stop reading those Russian hackers putting out this stuff on phony websites, tomder.

show me the charge .Mueller hasn't even charged the obvious ones who had business dealings with Russians or Russian interests with crimes related to interference in the election. He got them for charges that everyone knew about years before the campaign was conceived .He made charges against Russian pajama boys that will never go to court . But nobody in the Trump campaign has been charged with anything campaign related at all.

So we know it is a witch hunt, and we know where the witch is. This is theatre

It sure does look like there's no "there" there

I don't know folks, it's hard to believe that after all the indictments and convictions of dufus campaign members and Russians that dufus had no knowledge, or involvement. Who says the Mueller investigation is winding down? Or did you mean it's getting closer to his inner circle? Why does all his peeps lie about contacts with Russia? Why have they kept it from law enforcement AND the intel community?

Obviously after two years we know not to trust anything that the dufus or his sycophants say without GREAT meticulous scrutiny, or verification. Don't we?

Unlike the famous truth tellers, Clinton and Obama?

Unlike the famous truth tellers, Clinton and Obama?

The dufus is in a class all by himself with his lying.

The dufus is in a class all by himself with his lying.

I'll say it again, and you cannot refute it. When Trump lies repeatedly about the cause of a terrorist attack that results in the deaths of 4 Americans, and does so in what certainly, to any reasonable person, appeared to be an attempt to gain his own reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

CBS News has the story of the century if it wants it . A secret deep state cabal of corrupt FBI agents plotted a coup to overthrow the President and tamper with the results of the 2016 election. Instead tonight on 60 Minutes they are doing the McCabe interview as 'what's wrong with Trump'?

When Trump lies repeatedly about drugs and rapists and gangs and sex traffickers crossing the southern border unimpeded, and says that as an attempt to gain his own election AND reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

When Trump lies repeatedly about drugs and rapists and gangs and sex traffickers crossing the southern border unimpeded, and says that as an attempt to gain his own election AND reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?

So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?

Certainly not in the numbers the dufus sites, not even close, not historically nor justifies his emergency for a wall that stops no one but women and children which is the majority of migrants.

How many did you count?

How many did you count?

Zero, since I am not counting. How many did you count? For that matter, how would anyone be able to get an accurate count?

At any rate, the post alleged these things were not happening. Plainly they are.

I was using JL's words as I flipped the coin to a different pov.
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"Plainly they are" -- at the Port of Philadelphia, at O'Hare Airport, across the northern border from Canada.

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So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?




Certainly not in the numbers the dufus sites, not even close,

This report was in todays news .



In October 2018, President Trump signed a breakthrough bipartisan bill aimed at dealing with the country’s drug-addiction epidemic, which most people associate with opioids. And for good reason: In 2017, there were 70,237 opioid overdose deaths in the United States — a 9.6 percent uptick from the previous year, according to the CDC.But meth is claiming lives at a rapidly increasing rate as well.In 2017, 10,000 Americans died from an overdose involving psychostimulants (meth as well as ecstasy and some prescribed stimulants) — a 33.3 percent jump from 2016, the CDC reported.And, in Ohio, overdose deaths involving meth have seen one of the steepest rises in the country, jumping 5,000 percent from 2010 (nine deaths) to 2017 (509 deaths), according to a report by the Ohio Alliance for Innovation in Population Health.The rush of meth into the state from the border is overwhelming: “It is raining drugs,” said Taylor Cleveland, an Ashtabula County sheriff’s officer assigned to the task force for the US Drug Enforcement Administration...…..“It’s cheap. And abundant. That is why we are seeing a dramatic escalation of crystal methamphetamine use because it is being shipped to our county at the border. People aren’t making it anymore, because it comes here so cheap from Mexico.”
Cleveland says meth labs started popping up in Ashtabula in 2002, but due to a crackdown “in the last 18 months, we’ve seen almost a wholesale elimination” of them. “That void . . . is being filled by Mexican cartels bringing meth across the borders,” he adds.


https://nypost.com/2019/02/16/mexicos-killer-meth-is-sweeping-through-america-and-ruining-lives/

Hmmm. So drugs ARE coming across the border. Lots of them.

Hmmm. So drugs ARE coming across the border. Lots of them.

And this is something you are unaware of, but it is those blasted mule migrants (illegals) who are carrying them and what will stop them a Wall but we can't call it a WALL, it must be constructed of bollards in no man's land which is a vacant space in Pelosi's head

I think someone needs to get a lot more sleep.

I think someone needs to get a lot more sleep.


Yes that would be nice, any suggestions as to how to accomplish that

William Barr as Attorney General,has no more urgent task than restoring some public trust.He could start by explaining to the public,in a major speech,where the FBI went so badly wrong and what he will do to make sure it never happens again.
If that McCabe 60 Minutes interview didn’t scare the hell out of you, with regard to the dangerous power of big govt, then you weren’t listening. That one interview should’ve created millions of new libertarians & constitutional conservatives if people were paying attention.

Yeah, let Barr explain why all the dufus hired hands lied, commit crimes and go to jail, Us progressives would love to know before we go jumping ship or believe this lying cheating dufus isn't so far up Vlad's behind he burps orange.

I'll wait for the Mueller Report thank you.

You might be waiting a long time

I got time if the grand finale to this dufus drama is worth it. The dots have been connected a long time and if you think Roger Stone is the last dot, I have a dufus you can have real cheap. Maybe Kim or Vlad will give him asylum.

I think you need to prepare to be disappointed.

There is reliable speculation that the Mueller report will not be released to the public.

What is alarming is that the leadership of the Justice Dept seriously considered asking the Secs of
Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, Transportation, to determine if the President is capable of performing his elected responsibilities.( sec 4 of the 25th Amendment ) .This thought was delusional for a number of reasons. Only Congress can remove the President ,even under terms of the 25th . And in that case ,it is harder to remove a President than impeachment . It requires 2/3 of BOTH houses to remove a President if the President disputes that he is unable to perform his duties.
What counts as presidential “inability.”That is the unanswered question in the 25th . If this was seriously tried ,and went through the process,it would be a SCOTUS call.

That is what I have heard as well. There will be a summary statement prepared, as I understand it, by Mueller, and that is what will be released. There are too many confidential areas for the entire report to be released. Of course at the rate he is proceeding, we might all be dead and gone by the time he gets finished.

yup and even in the very extreme unlikely event that the report is damning to the President ;there is nothing that can remove Trump from office except impeachment or the 2020 election results.

The silence was deafening when Pence mentioned the dufus and called for the Euro's to leave the Iran agreement, even from the repub delegation, and we have yet to see what gets the cut for his border wall emergency.

The emergency declaration is silly and counter-productive. He should build the 50 miles approved and then come back for more later . In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan when asked why he accepted less than he had requested :
Here is what Reagan said when asked why he accepted a compromise. :
"I’m not retreating an inch from where I was. But I also recognize this: There are some people who would have you so stand on principle that if you don’t get all that you’ve asked for from the legislature, why, you jump off the cliff with the flag flying.
I have always figured that a half a loaf is better than none, and I know that in the democratic process you’re not going to always get everything you want. So, I think what they’ve misread is times in which I have compromised — for example, our entire economic program.I proposed three 10-percent-a-year cuts in the income tax, retroactive to January 1st, 1981. There was no way I could get that with the House of Representatives dominated by the other party. So, I settled for a 5-percent cut the first year, not retroactive but on October 30 — or on October 1st, the beginning of the fiscal year; then two following 10-percent cuts. Well, I think 25 percent, a little delayed in starting, was better than going down fighting and not getting anything at all.
And I wish that I could get more people to realize, no, I have not retreated from what was our original purpose. I am very stubborn in that regard. And I’m just going to have to try and communicate better, and make people realize that, you know, I come back and I ask for more the next time around."

I think you about nailed it, Tomder. Of course, with the national debt continuing to skyrocket and no one, either dem or repub, paying any attention to it, we are not going to a good place anyway.

I think you about nailed it, Tomder. Of course, with the national debt continuing to skyrocket and no one, either dem or repub, paying any attention to it, we are not going to a good place anyway.

You know I cannot understand how your government cannot see your debt levels as a national emergency, ours had apoplexy at levels much lower than yours and although we haven't reduced it, we have dragged the budget back to equilibrium and hopefully surplus
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Clete the fault lies in the people. The pols stopped making the debt a big deal because the people stopped making it a big deal. You can't fault either party. The GOP used to have a full faction of fiscal conservatives . Now there is a handful. It is one of the reasons I am not a Republican. The name of the game now is who can offer the most freebies ?

Clete the fault lies in the people. The pols stopped making the debt a big deal because the people stopped making it a big deal. You can't fault either party. The GOP used to have a full faction of fiscal conservatives . Now there is a handful. It is one of the reasons I am not a Republican. The name of the game now is who can offer the most freebies ?

So true, Tom. The only comment I would add is that there is a vacuum of leadership on this issue. Bush 2 completely blew it on this. He inherited a balanced budget, and then proceeded to use the war as an excuse to spend, spend, spend. Dems give out freebies and repubs cut taxes, so here we are.

o true, Tom. The only comment I would add is that there is a vacuum of leadership on this issue. Bush 2 completely blew it on this. He inherited a balanced budget, and then proceeded to use the war as an excuse to spend, spend, spend. Dems give out freebies and repubs cut taxes, so here we are.

Must be wonderful to live in a fool's paradise, living on OPM or even worse quantative easing

Yeah. Thank goodness the Aussies don't have any national debt. No, wait. Is that right??

Yeah. Thank goodness the Aussies don't have any national debt. No, wait. Is that right??

As I have said before, we have debt but it certainly doesn't exceed our GDP and we will turn a surplus this year. Our debt is due to the way you idiots managed debt causing an international meltdown ten yearss ago. Please tell me how Trump intends to have the US budget return to surplus, and those idiot demonrats certainly don't

Yeah. It's always someone else's fault. Your budget deficits far predate ten years ago.

Debt is not necessarily a bad thing.I have financed property with debt for most of my adult life .I anticipate getting a decent return on that investment . The ability to pay the interest is what has to be watched because a greater percentage of the tax collection is needed to service the debt. The US is in a bad situation because our debt is in a large part owned by foreign powers (some of them hostile ) .If they wanted to cause problems they could dump our debt which would probably mean that we would have to give a higher rate of return to attract new investors . If push came to shove ,the government could easily sell off assets for debt reduction.(aka the government owns about a third of the total land of the US .) Debt approaching GDP and surpassing the GDP is where we are at ;and that is dangerous . It is also not fair to the next generation to be living on their future obligations .

Yeah. It's always someone else's fault. Your budget deficits far predate ten years ago.

Our budget was in a great place ten years ago before you engineered a financial crisis. Capitalism gone mad coupled with social engineering in a nation with a big history of exploiting people. The top third of your nation does well on the backs of the others and you think this is good and desirable.

Sadly that financial crisis coincided with the idiot left assuming power here about the same time it did in your own nation and this exaserbated the problem as it did in your own

And I guess it was our fault as well in the years prior to 06? The biggest problem we have is the disintegration of the family caused, primarily, by a decline of Christian values.


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49142Well it might have been, you caused so many, but the point is, we had overcome the days of bad leftist spend policies and got it below zero and along came another american engineered depression. But I don't think you can even read the graph you presented, In the years prior to 08 we were trending down but why don't you compare it to your own debt level, it is instructive

And I guess it was our fault as well in the years prior to 06? The biggest problem we have is the disintegration of the family caused, primarily, by a decline of Christian values.


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Notwithstanding you Christians elected the absolute worse example of Christian values, what does that have to do with the recession caused by the rich guys screwing up the money? You do realize that the world is tied together by OUR money, so when we screw up we screw up everybody else. Our debt is tied to those screw ups and recovery from it, and repubs brilliant idea that we can add to it and have nothing in return since they gave a huge chunk of that deficit funded tax cut to the rich guys who screwed us in the first place, which by now you have realized that your tax cuts were deficit neutral and temporary which means they are short lived as a benefit to ordinary folks, while the dufus and rich guys extract the wealth from the economy in perpetuity, or until somebody wakes up and makes some drastic changes.

Like an election. Where we don't squander a strong recovery by adding debts instead of paying them down. Where we can get qualified people to govern and not the self enriching appointees by the dufus. Or the appointees that are rewarded for protecting rich pedophiles and child abusers.

You call those Christian values?

You call those Christian values?

What are you raving about? there is nothing Christian about the capitalist system, in fact it is the anthesis of Christianity, predicated on greed.

What alternative would you suggest? There is no economic system set forth in the New Testament, and capitalism is the basic system of the OT. So what economic system not based on self profit would you suggest?


Like an election. Where we don't squander a strong recovery by adding debts instead of paying them down.So were you saying that when Obama was doubling the national debt during his eight years??

What are you raving about? there is nothing Christian about the capitalist system, in fact it is the anthesis of Christianity, predicated on greed.
ok I'll wait for the biblical support for state run socialism .

I guess I'll wait for the biblical justification for capitalism. This better be good!

What alternative would you suggest? There is no economic system set forth in the New Testament, and capitalism is the basic system of the OT. So what economic system not based on self profit would you suggest?

So were you saying that when Obama was doubling the national debt during his eight years??

Well, you may recall in Acts we are told that the early Christians had everything in common and looked after everyone, so as a New Testament version of a Christian economy is offered but it is not personal property and striving after wealth but a system based on community. I know you would call this communism, but communism is predicated on state ownership, so I'm not suggesting that.

You see God's economy is based on giving, not accumulation, and this is so foreign to our western ideas that we would not consider it. Your capitalism is based on self, and Christian ideals are not, thus there is a constant pressure not to adopt such ideas

Well, you may recall in Acts we are told that the early Christians had everything in common and looked after everyone, so as a New Testament version of a Christian economy is offered but it is not personal property and striving after wealth but a system based on community. I know you would call this communism, but communism is predicated on state ownership, so I'm not suggesting that.

One great feature you have completely neglected to mention. It was based on voluntary giving. Another great neglected feature is that the ownership of the means of production was PRIVATE. Thus, it was capitalism. I completely agree with your call for loving generosity, but capitalism refers to the private ownership of the means of production and has no inherent connection to greed. That is an issue of the human heart. The two are not synonymous. For that matter, the desire for profit is not the same as greed. They are worlds apart.

Yeah just as I thought . Freedom is the recurring theme of the bible ,and capitalism is nothing more that the free exchange of goods and services .Capitalism's emphasis of the dignity of the individual makes it more Christian than socialism. When encouraging charity the bible encourages a voluntary act ….not coercion by the state . And make no mistake about it ;socialism's basic tenet is that the state's power is the main source of human rights ;and what the state gives ,the state can take away .

2 Cor 3:17 and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


The free market system is built on Biblical ideals like property rights, reward and incentive .



1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel


2Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.




Deuteronomy 8:18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.

I Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.

2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Capitalism 101, you want a wall on the southern border, then fair market price don't cut it! My land is worth 10 times what you're offering so pay up, or see you in court buddy. Give it up or talk to my lawyer!

Go mess with Arizona or New Mexico, but don't mess with Texas! You been warned you NY a$$hole!

That's the way it goes in AMERICA, free market and all!

That's the way it goes in AMERICA, free market and all!

Whatever made you think the market is free, you can't just rock up and start flogging your wares

In his testimony Cohen has lashed out at Trump but does not confirm Russia links, I guess it was all for nothing

Nothing like getting sworn testimony from a convicted liar . What did we learn today ? That Trump paid off a porn star to get a NDA . WE knew that already . We'll see if he ges treated fairly under the law because campaign finance violations usually get an administrative slap on the wrist in fines .

Nice post

If that's all he did Tom, you could be correct, if he cooked the company books to accomplish his end though, he may have an even greater legal exposure, and it may well be a smaller part of a criminal conspiracy. You never know what Mueller has on that subject, or NY prosecutors, but I cannot imagine that the dufus had all those half slick grifters around him and knew NOTHING.

Repubs hollered liar, despicable immoral and a few other choice attacks on the convicted bad guy Cohen, in short character attacks, but not one had one inquiry into the substance of his allegations or testimony.

If that's all he did Tom, you could be correct, if he cooked the company books to accomplish his end though, he may have an even greater legal exposure, and it may well be a smaller part of a criminal conspiracy. You never know what Mueller has on that subject, or NY prosecutors, but I cannot imagine that the dufus had all those half slick grifters around him and knew NOTHING.

Repubs hollered liar, despicable immoral and a few other choice attacks on the convicted bad guy Cohen, in short character attacks, but not one had one inquiry into the substance of his allegations or testimony.

Give them time, when Mueller reports they can start another witch hunt and try Trump in the court of public opinion, and we all know what opinions are

Nothing like getting sworn testimony from a convicted liar . What did we learn today ? That Trump paid off a porn star to get a NDA . WE knew that already . We'll see if he ges treated fairly under the law because campaign finance violations usually get an administrative slap on the wrist in fines .


Trump paid off Daniels because she threatened to go public a few weeks before the election. The payoff is a felony. Trump continued the felonious activity by reimbursing Cohen for the payments he made on Trump's behalf to Daniels while Trump was president.

Since the crime was committed before the election and arguably promoted Trump's election chances, the DOJ rule against indicting a sitting president does not apply - you can't commit a crime to get elected and then claim immunity from prosecution.

Then there's the question of how the payments were recorded. As a campaign expense? Crime! As payment for false invoices? Crime!

It would be good to see Trump's tax returns for answers, but that will take a while yet. By now, everybody knows that Trump invented the audit excuse. It's a matter of proving it.

In what way was paying Daniels to remain quiet a felony? It would have been a violation of campaign finance laws to use campaign donations to pay her off, but that does not seem to have been the case.

Why does the right wing think for one minute that campaign finance law is the only thing the lying cheating dufus has crossed a legal line on? Or is it that you don't want to know? I suspect if your heads exploded after Cohen's testimony, maybe you should just skip the NEXT witnesses.

My question referred to whether paying SD was a felony.

As to Cohen, am I right in thinking he is being sent to prison for, among other things, lying to congress? If you can't see the irony in that, then you just aren't looking hard enough. It just seems like a bad joke come to life.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-von-spakovsky/michael-cohen-did-not-violate-campaign-finance-law-and-neither-did

Hey I though we didn't do links any more? I guess you're saying that a convicted liar would add more time to his sentence by lying to congress AGAIN? Yeah, right.

I guess you're saying that a convicted liar would add more time to his sentence by lying to congress AGAIN? Yeah, right.

He did it once, so we know he is capable of doing it again. He certainly has less credibility than someone with a reputation for truthfulness. At any rate, he could contribute nothing to the increasingly silly idea that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian authorities to try and win the election.

The biggest problem here is politics, not criminal behavior.

That's for Mueller's investigation, and the many other prosecutors on the state level to determine and bring charges. Like they already have, as you well know.

Trump paid off Daniels because she threatened to go public a few weeks before the election. The payoff is a felony
It was a nondisclosure agreement . The charge is that he violated campaign finance rules . That is tbd .



Why does the right wing think for one minute that campaign finance law is the only thing the lying cheating dufus has crossed a legal line on? Or is it that you don't want to know? I suspect if your heads exploded after Cohen's testimony, maybe you should just skip the NEXT witnesses.
It was hilarious . Cohen reminds me of Saul Goodman .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnHtGgVAUE

we learned the truth yesterday . Cohen has a grudge because he did not get a White House job

Why do you continue to hold these kangaroo courts and star chambers

got me . Chairman Cummings was told going in that the hearing was going to be a travesty .

I like it when congress does it's job instead of becoming utter sycophants like the repubs displayed yesterday, and since the dufus took office.

I like it when congress does it's job

I wonder if you felt that way when HC was on the block.

Repubs were partisan incompetent idiots who couldn't do a darn thing when they had the majority, let alone govern.

Repubs were partisan incompetent idiots who couldn't do a darn thing when they had the majority, let alone govern.

Guess that means you didn't feel that way. Again... politics.

You can dismiss repub incompetence as just politics all you want, but it doesn't change the fact of their utter failure. Nor your own failure to understand the nuance between that failure and repub failure now that have made repubs a wholly owned sycophant subsidiary of a lying, cheating, dufus.

SHEEPLE in the biblical sense.

You can dismiss repub incompetence as just politics all you want,

The politics I'm referring to is found in people like you and, honestly, just about everyone. We tend to support politicians who put forward policies we agree with and criticize those who don't. That would explain why you are so hard on Trump but just smiled at Obama. They have both lied and lied repeatedly, but I would feel pretty safe in saying you never referred to Obama as a "lying, cheating, dufus," even though he was that very thing every bit as much as Trump.

You only wish it were so. Nobody in American history can match the lying the dufus does. He's a natural bar none and its only been 2 years? For sure there is more to come politics aside. Enjoy the show. I am.

Keep believing that if it makes you feel better, but we both know it is not true. When Trump lies about the deaths of 4 brave Americans in order to help secure his election, then get back with me.

I'll see your Benghazi opinion and raise you with the dufus lies about the innocent victims of Vlad, MBS, and Kim.

He was not directly responsible for those people. Obama was. Can't compare the two. You need to try much harder.

Nope, he isn't -- but he IS directly responsible for his own behavior. He has worn out the naughty chair.

No I really don't, because we have very different opinions about the subject. I think it's a slap in a victims face to not hold perpetrators to account and that's exactly what the dufus has done taking the denial of those responsible over those that blame them for their deeds, publicly no less. That's despicable. The bad guys can get the good guys by surprise and that makes for tragedy every time.

So you talk to me when the dufus is as outraged by the murder of his citizens as you are.

As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Trump, but when I see the hatred displayed by so many people who sat silently and approvingly by during the many scandals of the Obama admin, which included the loss of life for which he was directly responsible, it bothers me.

As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Trump, but when I see....
The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it. And is generally accepted as a signal that the really important part of the sentence is coming up.

When you use it, most people listening to you will give more attention and more weight to what you say after you say BUT.

The word BUT negates or cancels everything that goes before it.

It can well signal contrast as well, as in, "I like steak, but I can also eat veggies." By no means did "but" negate or cancel my taste for steak. And no, I am not trying to lecture you. I am well aware of your knowledge of grammar.

So my point was that while I am not a fan of Trump, I am a fan of a person being consistent in his/her beliefs. To hate Trump for lying while being a loving and devoted fan of Obama, who lied as well, is inconsistency on a high level.

This one made me laugh.

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Yep that will do it, admit she is a lying cheating dufus

So my point was that while I am not a fan of Trump, I am a fan of a person being consistent in his/her beliefs. To hate Trump for lying while being a loving and devoted fan of Obama, who lied as well, is inconsistency on a high level.


You make a point JL, and thanks for the chuckle, but I don't hate the dufus, just his words, behavior, and policies. I think it's dubious though to compare his always lying ways to anyone else in the history of man. He seems to have a lot of liars around him also, and no doubt we may discover more. The right seems willing to ignore that fact, or the cabinet members that have left under scandals and investigations.

I imagine though that as another election rolls around the dirt and rhetoric will fly and there is still the Russians looming large, and hopefully he has learned how to protect his country from them which in itself is a daunting challenge for any president, especially if more countries follow their example.

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Tal what will you have to complain about when Trump is gone, hell, once Mueller is gone you will have nothing to complain about because there is nothing to see here, just the angst of a tired old woman and a tired old party

Tal what will you have to complain about when Trump is gone, hell, once Mueller is gone you will have nothing to complain about because there is nothing to see here, just the angst of a tired old woman and a tired old party

It does increasingly seem that Mueller is spinning his wheels.

Don't worry ;if collusion didn't work it was simply a matter of moving the goal posts

http://www.wglt.org/post/cnn-legal-analyst-collusion-not-relevant-trumps-future#stream/0

Darn links

CNN Legal Analyst: Collusion Not Relevant To Trump's Future | WGLT (http://www.wglt.org/post/cnn-legal-analyst-collusion-not-relevant-trumps-future#stream/0)

@JL

You cannot ignore the corruption by dufus cronies, and interference by Russia that has been exposed and is, and has been prosecuted, nor assume that's all Mueller has. He has also turned over to other prosecutors what he has found. Now that the dufus sycophants have lost the house, a real investigation has begun, and real oversight has begun.

That's hardly spinning your wheels, or moving the goal posts and as we are learning collusion as the dufus hollers is but part of a bigger picture. Of course the dufus has sailed along with no accountability from repubs, but that's clearly not the case any longer, at least in the house. Elections do have consequences as another approaches.

Darn links

CNN Legal Analyst: Collusion Not Relevant To Trump's Future | WGLT (http://www.wglt.org/post/cnn-legal-analyst-collusion-not-relevant-trumps-future#stream/0)

@JL

You cannot ignore the corruption by dufus cronies, and interference by Russia that has been exposed and is, and has been prosecuted, nor assume that's all Mueller has. He has also turned over to other prosecutors what he has found. Now that the dufus sycophants have lost the house, a real investigation has begun, and real oversight has begun.

That's hardly spinning your wheels, or moving the goal posts and as we are learning collusion as the dufus hollers is but part of a bigger picture. Of course the dufus has sailed along with no accountability from repubs, but that's clearly not the case any longer, at least in the house. Elections do have consequences as another approaches.

If CNN says it it must be true, you will just have to be more discerning next time, anyway, it was Hobson's choice so I don't know why you are complaining

Tal's link included the following hilarious line: "He said Cohen's testimony did show potentially important possible crimes such as financial fraud by the Trump company, and campaign fraud."

You gotta love this stuff. "..potentially important possible crimes". In other words, "Maybe there were some possibly important activities that might have been crimes." Unreal.

No it was Tom's link that referenced his moving the goalpost. Why is it such a stretch to think the dufus isn't a crook since you have evidence he has done shady stuff before, and hired shady people to work for him, both in private life and government?

No it was Tom's link that referenced his moving the goalpost. Why is it such a stretch to think the dufus isn't a crook since you have evidence he has done shady stuff before, and hired shady people to work for him, both in private life and government?

Good morning.

I was referring to your link, not Tom's, the CNN link you posted above.

There is no legal definition of "shady", but if hiring shady people is a bad thing, then I don't know how you could have supported Obama. At any rate, both the Mueller probe and the several thousand democrat-dominated congressional investigations are just on a witch hunt now. There is no collusion, and even if there was, it is likely not a crime, so the Trump-haters have to cast a WIIDDDDEEEE net to try and find anything they can. It is a shameful display of political hatred. All honest liberal dems should be ashamed to watch such a spectacle.

AMERICA: "What is the Democrat Congress's plan for this week to serve the America people?"NADLER: "Investigate Trump."AMERICA: "What's the crime?"NADLER: "That's what we're investigating to find out..."

Good morning.

I was referring to your link, not Tom's, the CNN link you posted above.

There is no legal definition of "shady", but if hiring shady people is a bad thing, then I don't know how you could have supported Obama. At any rate, both the Mueller probe and the several thousand democrat-dominated congressional investigations are just on a witch hunt now. There is no collusion, and even if there was, it is likely not a crime, so the Trump-haters have to cast a WIIDDDDEEEE net to try and find anything they can. It is a shameful display of political hatred. All honest liberal dems should be ashamed to watch such a spectacle.

Compare the two links, mine and Tom's and you get the same article by CNN. It was a technical courtesy for everyone's benefit. The dems are doing nothing that the repubs have done in the past, so you must have been as ashamed of conservatives casting there nets then as you think I should be now, but I suspect you aren't, and you can rightfully KNOW, not assume, that neither am I.

I just hope we are better at OUR investigations than you guys were.


AMERICA: "What is the Democrat Congress's plan for this week to serve the America people?"NADLER: "Investigate Trump."AMERICA: "What's the crime?"NADLER: "That's what we're investigating to find out..."

See ABOVE! The American people deserve all the facts, just as you repubs wanted the American people to have all the facts about Obama and Hillary right?

The American people deserve all the facts,

Obviously you don't know the definition of a fact, the american people deserve the truth, not fabrication and lies



the truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

You won't get either truth or fact without an investigation. You sure won't get it from the dufus or his sycophants and the American people fired the local sycophants. FACT!

Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
(Lavrentiy Beria.;Stalin's pit bull)

You won't get either truth or fact without an investigation. You sure won't get it from the dufus or his sycophants and the American people fired the local sycophants. FACT!
Interesting ideas on democracy and the system, the sycophants come with the president, only way to fire them is to fire the president, what the people fired are political opponents who may or may not have been supporters of the president, so get the facts and stop with the intrepretation

only a kangaroo court has an investigation without an undelying crime .

Yep, all those possible crimes we have to investigate to find out if they are crimes because there are no facts just intrepretation. We know Trump is crooked because we have never caught him, too good to be true

All you need is probable cause to start an investigation. The cops do it all the time on ordinary citizens. Often at the word of a snitch. So how do you know there is no probable cause, or a snitch? I think getting a few criminals for lying and offering a lighter sentence for information that turns out true falls in that category.

Cohen seems to have documentation for all his allegations He may need more lawyers.

Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released

Manafort was slapped on the wrist with a 47 month prison sentence, showing no remorse, and falling well short of the federal sentencing guidelines. With good behavior it amounts to the same 3 year sentence Cohen got. Manafort still faces sentencing in another court next week.


Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released

Probable cause is the reference to the investigators, law enforcement, not really the lawyers.

Well, at least the courageous folks in the democrat party, faced with a Muslim member of congress who has made plainly anti-Semitic remarks, responded with a resolution calling out white supremacists. That's right. A muslim makes hateful remarks, so the liberal dems really made an example of her by passing a resolution filled with remarks about white supremacists. Guys, you just can't make this stuff up. What a lame bunch of cowards.

Manafort was slapped on the wrist with a 47 month prison sentence, showing no remorse, and falling well short of the federal sentencing guidelines. With good behavior it amounts to the same 3 year sentence Cohen got. Manafort still faces sentencing in another court next week.


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Probable cause, you mean an open door, or an open window. Lying lawyers can't be probable cause because lawyers are in the profession of lying. We have some serious ruptions here over lawyers who are informants, lots of serious criminals will have to be retried and are being released



Probable cause is the reference to the investigators, law enforcement, not really the lawyers.


The judge did not buy into Mueller's Gestapo tactics in this case . He correctly identified that the only reason Mueller even pursued this decade old tax case was to squeeze Manafort to give him dirt on Trump.

There is no "probable cause " in a counter intelligence investigation .The threshold is incredibly low leading to systemic abuse of power by the FBI. The low standards are not set by Congressional law ,but by guidelines set by the Attorney General. This isn't me talking . That is what Comey told Congress when he informed Congress .These standards can be raised or lowered at the whim of the AG . You can guess at the standards applied by the Loretta Lynch Justice Dept.
Preliminary investigations require only “information or an allegation,” and the allegation does not need to be “credible.” A 2010 Inspector General report found the FBI opened preliminary investigations on political advocacy organizations based on mere speculation that the subjects might commit a crime in the future, and the agents themselves often made the required “allegations.”https://oig.justice.gov/special/s1009r.pdf

The gestapo at work

And now we find that the dems spent 10 hours coaching Cohen before his testimony. The corruption of this whole deal is absolutely sickening. The dems hate Trump so deeply that they will stoop to any low in order to bring him down. The good news for Trump is that, compared to the dems, he is starting to look fairly normal.

No he's not, and your idea of normal is abnormal, and ignores his whole history of borderline criminal behavior, and that's why you have so many investigations. Dems are trying to help him drain the swamp, beginning with his closest cronies and sycophants.

You are supposed to hate dufus bully tactics and why you do not is also a bit abnormal to me. No worries, his time is coming. Bad news for the dufus is the dems will do the job better than repubs did for two years.

As long as they can continue to coach the "witnesses", I expect they might do OK.

It's not the words, it's the verification of the words that counts. You know EVIDENCE! Can't coach that.

As long as they can continue to coach the "witnesses", I expect they might do OK.
Would the Republicans have coached the witnesses before Hillary would have testified?

It's not the words, it's the verification of the words that counts. You know EVIDENCE! Can't coach that.

And the evidence is... nothing. In fact, they can't even figure out what crime has supposedly been committed that they would have evidence of. They can only say, "We hate him!"


Would the Republicans have coached the witnesses before Hillary would have testified?

Did they?

Yes, lawyers do prepare clients before testimony or deposition. Since you won't read links, here is the major part of this article:

The Dividing Line Between Preparing and Coaching a Witness for a DepositionWhether you’re planning for a deposition or a trial, making sure your witness or client is properly prepared to answer questions is essential. You want your witness to project confidence and an air of trustworthiness for the jury. You also want his answers to help your case—or at least not help the opposing counsel’s case. In order to find a balance between all of these, you must put the time and care into preparing your witness (http://www.casamo.com/preparing-expert-witness-trial/).
Attorneys are expected to instruct their witnesses on how to behave during questioning, as well as how to properly and confidently give answers. Unfortunately, as with most things, the way an attorney instructs his witness can have consequences.
https://www.casamo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/bad-lawyer-good-lawyer.jpgPrepare vs. Coach: The Two Sides of Witness InstructionAlthough many layman would disagree, attorneys are ethical creatures. As professionals who uphold the law, they have strict codes of conduct when it comes to witness tampering and fraudulent behavior.
Unfortunately, the boundary line when it comes to preparing a witness can be easily missed if you’re not careful. As a result, an otherwise ethical lawyer may wind up crossing into the unethical land of coaching misconduct. This is why it is important to not only know the difference between preparing and coaching a witness, but also know how to avoid crossing the line.
Proper PreparationWhen instructing a witness for questioning, the following tactics should be used to ensure an ethical preparation:


Educate. Review and explain the legality of the issues at hand as well as the questioning procedure.
Lay out a plan. Discuss how you’re going to question the witness. If the witness is your client, then you can also discuss how you’re planning on attacking the case and how his testimony will play into it.
Encourage honesty by reassuring competence. This is your opportunity to make sure that the witness knows that he must stick to honest facts, and it isn’t his responsibility to alter facts to improve your case. It’s your job to make whatever he says work for the case—whether good or bad, as long as it’s honest.
Build confidence. Reassure the witness that he has nothing to fear as long as he is honest.
Lessen confusion. Discuss how questioning works and how the opposing counsel may try to trip him up with legal jargon or confusion. Provide tools to lessen that confusion such as telling him to repeat or rephrase the question.
Rehearse potential questions. Help the witness get comfortable with the process of answering questions in order to avoid nervous stuttering or anxiety.
Provide support. Give your witness all of the encouragement and support he needs to feel comfortable during questioning.

https://www.casamo.com/preparing-vs-coaching-witness-deposition-ethics/

Yes, lawyers do prepare clients before testimony or deposition. Since you won't read links, here is the major part of this article:

Except in this case Cohen was not a witness for the democrat party. He is supposed to be telling the truth to the entire committee. The democrats were not attorneys defending their client, and it is not the same thing as preparing a client for a case.

Except in this case Cohen was not a witness for the democrat party. He is supposed to be telling the truth to the entire committee. The democrats were not attorneys defending their client, and it is not the same thing as preparing a client for a case.

How do you know he isn't telling the truth NOW, in light of the documents he presents as evidence of his veracity? Like the checks he writes to Cohen.

How do you know he isn't telling the truth NOW, in light of the documents he presents as evidence of his veracity? Like the checks he writes to Cohen.

How do you know he is? That's the whole problem. All we have is the testimony of a man who is going to prison because of his earlier testimony which turned out to be untrue. The Trump haters will believe him because he feeds their narrative.

"Trust but verify" King Ronald Reagan.

I'm sure Mueller, prosecutors, and the congress agrees, except for repubs who protect the biggest liar in history and want NO investigation whatsoever.

I'm sure Mueller, prosecutors, and the congress agrees, except for repubs who protect the biggest liar in history and want NO investigation whatsoever.

Agree on what? How could you be sure of what Mueller agrees to? Are you part of his team?

Political prejudice. That's all it is. It's against Trump, so they are bound to be right about whatever it is they are right about because, after all, they are right.

Verifying his information of course. He has a good track record so far draining the swamp of liars, cheaters, and criminals that worked for yo' dufus who MOST Americans don't like.

Verifying his information of course. He has a good track record so far draining the swamp of liars, cheaters, and criminals that worked for yo' dufus who MOST Americans don't like.

Information about what?? The only track record Mueller has is of going after Trump associates who broke the law BEFORE becoming affiliated with the Trump campaign. And please don't tell me all about Cohen's unsupported allegations about Trump. The man is a convicted liar and it has been demonstrated that some of his most recent testimony was not true.

So you support and approve of The Dufus hiring CRIMINALS and liars to help get elected to the highest office of the land? I got it! You probably approve of pardoning those convicted criminals too! I got it!

So you support and approve of The Dufus hiring CRIMINALS and liars to help get elected to the highest office of the land? I got it! You probably approve of pardoning those convicted criminals too! I got it!

We are certainly glad you have got it

So you support and approve of The Dufus hiring CRIMINALS and liars to help get elected to the highest office of the land? I got it! You probably approve of pardoning those convicted criminals too! I got it!

Speak for yourself. Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

Speak for yourself. Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

Let us think on this a while. The choice of non criminals among career politicians, what a conundrum, and when you employ sycophants, who knows what you will get. Trump opted to appoint his own family, not acceptable, but someone forgot to tell him he wasn't emperor, after all, he had Obama as a guide. Talent is hard to find, businessmen may not understand political life

So you do support a lying cheating dufus and his criminal sycophants governing your nation? Simple enough question but obviously you have no answer.

So you do support a lying cheating dufus and his criminal sycophants governing your nation? Simple enough question but obviously you have no answer.

I have the same answer you would have used for Obama. I support his policies.

For whatever reason, good or bad or ugly, Obama was re elected and none of his cabinet was charged and convicted of any criminal behavior, not even Hillary. Now the dufus is an entirely different circumstance isn't it? No he hasn't been charged with anything but his peeps have, and he is still under investigation by every cop in the country and its only been two years.

So if that's the best answer you got, then that's your answer, as inadequate a dodge as I have ever seen even from you.

Trump has had cabinet members charged and convicted of crimes?? Which cabinet members?

Which of Trump's cabinet members engaged in activity as sleazy as AG Lynch meeting for 45 minutes in private with Bill Clinton (after they just "happened" to run into each other at an airport) when his wife was the subject of an active FBI investigation? And wasn't it a shocker when, less than a week later, the FBI director acknowledged that HC had broken the law but then declined to indict her?

Or when has Trump sent a White Official on a lying campaign on five Sunday morning news programs to cover up his pathetic performance in Benghazi?

You can pretend everything is wonderful if you want to, but those who are actually paying attention, and not looking at the world through political colored glasses, do not share your rosy opinion of Mr. Obama.

Politics, politics, politics.

Lisa Page testimony under oath ... Basically she said that the emperor's DOJ was ordered to NOT consider charging Evita with gross negligence in the handling of classified information.



Mr. Ratcliffe: Okay. So let me if I can, I know I’m testing your memory, but when you say advice you got from the Department, you’re making it sound like it was the Department that told you: You’re not going to charge gross negligence because we’re the prosecutors and we’re telling you we’re not going to –Ms. Page: That is Correct.


The transcript also reveals that
Lisa Page and Peter Strzok had no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia prior to the launch of the FBI and special counsel investigations into the matter.



Mr. Ratcliffe: Okay. So that same day in the consideration of this, he texts you and says: “You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there, no question. I hesitate, in part, because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.” What’s he talking about?Ms. Page: So I think this represents that even as far as of May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question – sorry. Can I consult with counsel? I’m sorry, I need to consult with FBI counsel for a moment.


https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/lisa-page.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing ended up blowing up in the faces of the dems.

Campaign manager Manafort gets sentenced to 7.5 years total by a second judge for his criminal actions spanning decades and a half an hour later get indicted by NY. Did Whittaker lie to congress? We'll see, but Manafort's lawyer sure did, claiming that another judge has found no collusion.

For now seems it's blowing up in repubs faces.

From Vanity Fair:

"I am sorry for what I’ve done and all the activities that have gotten us here today,” he told Judge Amy Berman Jackson, claiming (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/433849-manafort-expresses-remorse-while-awaiting-second-round-of-sentencing) that he shouldn’t get more jail time for the copious federal crimes he committed because he is his adult wife’s “primary caretaker,” and the two of them need each other. “I know that it was my conduct that brought me here today,” Manafort added. “For that, I am remorseful. While I cannot undo the past, I can ensure that the future will be very different. . . . I can say to you with conviction that my behavior in the future will be very different.”

While that reasoning might have worked on Judge T.S. Ellis, who strangely argued (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/paul-manaforts-otherwise-blamess-life-crime/584419/) last week that Manafort had led a “blameless life” outside of all the crime, Jackson wasn’t having it, sentencing (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/manafort-hearing/index.html) him to an additional 43 months on federal conspiracy charges, and letting him know she saw right through his act: “Saying I’m sorry I got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/paul-manafort-ny-indictment

All of which has nothing to do with the Trump administration.

It seems rather plain by now that there was no Russian collusion to get Trump elected. It also is beginning to be clear that there WAS collusion between the Obama DOJ and the HC campaign in an effort to get her elected. Now we can wait and see if this brings outrage to the people on this board who were outraged about the non-existent collusion pertaining to Trump.

I am not a Trump supporter. I'd love to be able to vote for a more qualified person, and if that person steps forward I will. But it is nauseating to me to see the double standard so evident in some of the posts on this board. People who were in love with the scandal-ridden Obama admin have such hatred of Trump. It's interesting to watch.

WG, glad you are posting again. Sometimes you seem to disappear. I would say it's good to have a female's perspective on things, but I guess that kind of observation is no longer allowable in our PC culture.

Let's see now, his campaign workers and transition team members are lying criminals and have been for decades, and his cabinet members are still under investigation and resigned for ethics violations but none of that has to do with the administration who are under investigation themselves. Okay, for now everybody not in jail, going to jail, is innocent until proved guilty, and never mind the porn stars and playboy bunnies, we still have the fact of misuse of charity funds, and a lifetime ban on the dufus and family for any kind of charity stuff, as we look closer at the dude and his family finances.

And all those gifts he gets from foreign and domestic lobbyist seeking favors by buying a bunch of rooms keeping them afloat. Or a forgotten fact of his firing all those long time illegals to work at his properties. I could go on for a long time with those scandals happening NOW, and being reviewed, but let me leave this post with a fact you cannot ignore... which party has the female and minority voices you said are so good to have?

Think carefully now, and again, I don't hate the dufus at all, but I HATE his policies, words, and behavior, ideas, and actions. Unlike you, I never put anyone on a pedestal not even Obama or Hillary and my main issue with the dufus is he is a lying cheating immoral BULLY that feeds hate division for his personal gain.

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his cabinet members are still under investigation and resigned for ethics violations

For the second time, which ones??

Let me Google that for you. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/trump-cabinet-officials-in-ethics-scandals.html)

First you said they were charged with crimes. After that turned out not to be true, you come up with a couple of resignations over relatively trivial issues such as accepting tickets to a tennis tournament. Now compare that to Loretta Lynch's private meeting with the husband of a woman under active FBI investigation, and then the woman, who happened to be the democrat candidate for president, just miraculously not being charged with a crime a few days later. The difference is, at least the Trump people are held accountable. Tell me, whatever happened to AG Lynch? Answer: absolutely nothing. And the same kind of case could be made against AG Holder and the Fast and Furious debacle which resulted in a dead American law enforcement officer.

So are you really sure you want to start comparing cabinet officials between Trump and Obama???

Why didn't the dufus's DOJ investigated your so called allegations of Hillary, Lynch and all the other dems you alleged are criminals? Whose fault is it? I'll answer that for you, they had nothing, and were to busy stealing our money for their own good and have always been totally incompetent at investigating.

Even after Mueller's investigation, many more will already be under way as the indictment of Manafort indicates. Now if you want to go back and relitigate your past failures then have at it. Let me know when you have EVIDENCE that you can indict and bring to court, but in the meantime rest assured yo' boy ends up in court, with enough evidence to present to a jury.

You repubs and conservatives would do well to take notes instead of hollering crap. You could learn much about accountability facts and evidence if you weren't so intent on keeping a PROVEN liar, cheater, and racist bully, on a pedestal.

Enjoy it while you got it I suppose!

Why didn't the dufus's DOJ investigated your so called allegations of Hillary, Lynch and all the other dems you alleged are criminals?

I've got a better question than that. Why didn't Mr. Obama investigate them? It was his admin, wasn't it?

Look again, Tal. There is NO evidence of Russian collusion. Tens of millions of dollars spent for nothing. If you want me to rest assured that Trump will end up in court, you need to have more than your hatred of Trump to lean on.

Come now Tal doesn't hate anyone, but Trump is undoubtedly not a suitable person for high office

Come now Tal doesn't hate anyone, but Trump is undoubtedly not a suitable person for high office

I think the constant reference to "the Dufus and his sycophants" sure has a ring of hate to it. Maybe I am mistaken. I like Tal and respect the fact that he doesn't try to hide his beliefs. There is a refreshing honesty there.

I coin names for people too, Trump is Dump, a reference to his former family name, Ahmamadjidah for the former President of Iran, BO for Barak Obama, Tal is not alone in pointing out that Dump's sayings often appear stupid

but Trump is undoubtedly not a suitable person for high office. Says who ? WE have had some of our worse Presidents come from the educated elites ;and some of our best from basically the common folks . So much for that argument . We have a low qualification threshold . He was elected legally and constitutionally ,and he clearly meets the age restriction in the constitution. Nothing in the constitution says the President need be an Ivy league educated egg head .

. Says who ? WE have had some of our worse Presidents come from the educated elites ;and some of our best from basically the common folks . So much for that argument . We have a low qualification threshold . He was elected legally and constitutionally ,and he clearly meets the age restriction in the constitution. Nothing in the constitution says the President need be an Ivy league educated egg head .

I don't think that was the point

why then ? Because he doesn't comport himself with dignity ? He is a perfect representative for the current generation . https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53819631_10155804689712471_3011741384190197760_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=14d76856b84c7321cc19ac2eb277fb09&oe=5D0EF721

Nothing in the constitution says the President need be an Ivy league educated egg head .
But he's an Ivy League grad. What went wrong????

What you have depicted is a lost generation

He attended Fordham for 2 years and then transfered to Wharton Business school technically affiliated with Penn but no one thinks it as Ivy League . He got into Wharton because his brother was a friend from High school of an admission officer. (and probably some $$ from his father. ) . Both schools are graduation factories . Trump did what was necessary to graduate evidently but no one can ever claim he was a scholar .At best he saw education as a means to an end.

So let us extend this a little further, Dump is an educated idiot

So let us extend this a little further, Dump is an educated idiot
He went to college but somehow didn't get educated.

That's exactly why he is under the greatest scrutiny than any one can be. A Lot of politics as my friend JL says, but a whole lot more EVIDENCE to look closer.

for what ? his educational backround ? An investigation looking for a crime is a symptom of a jack boot government It is Stalinism . The emperor's Justice Dept invented the suspicion for the purpose of using the power of the government to spy on their political opposition and afterwards to attempt a coup. That is what historians who study this era will conclude.

He went to college but somehow didn't get educated.

Bingo! Give the girl the gold ring

for what ? his educational backround ? An investigation looking for a crime is a symptom of a jack boot government It is Stalinism . The emperor's Justice Dept invented the suspicion for the purpose of using the power of the government to spy on their political opposition and afterwards to attempt a coup. That is what historians who study this era will conclude.

You know good and well his grades are not what the investigations are about. It's his criminal ties and business practices, like his inaugural funding and spending and financial tactics. That deep state conspiracy scam is but a dodge to fool you wingers.

Yeah. All he did was build a business worth somewhere between one and two billion dollars. No evidence of education there, and certainly nothing to compare with the grand height of Mr. Obama becoming a community organizer.

I'd say there are plenty who went to very expensive schools who don't know jack sh+t

Yeah. All he did was build a business worth somewhere between one and two billion dollars. No evidence of education there, and certainly nothing to compare with the grand height of Mr. Obama becoming a community organizer.

That's what he says.


I'd say there are plenty who went to very expensive schools who don't know jack sh+t

Looks good on a resume though.

there is nobody left working in Muller's team .What is taking him so long ?

Takes time to do a good thorough investigation. How long did Ken Starr take? Or the house of representatives on Hillary?

Investigations are normally started with evidence of wrong doing. Hatred of Trump is not sufficient grounds to start an investigation.

there is nobody left working in Muller's team .What is taking him so long ?

That might be the reason

Investigations are normally started with evidence of wrong doing. Hatred of Trump is not sufficient grounds to start an investigation.

There is ENOUGH evidence to investigate~ I mean who takes the word of a LYING, cheating DUFUS at face value without verify ALL he has said? His history alone is reason to run for a grain of salt, and buy in bulk!

Sorry my friend, but be patient and wait for the FACTS to reveal themselves, and you won't have to trust MY word on the EVIDENCE.


Investigations are normally started with evidence of wrong doing. Hatred of Trump is not sufficient grounds to start an investigation.

There is ENOUGH evidence to investigate~ I mean who takes the word of a LYING, cheating DUFUS at face value without verify ALL he has said? His history alone is reason to run for a grain of salt, and buy in bulk!

Sorry my friend, but be patient and wait for the FACTS to reveal themselves, and you won't have to trust MY word on the EVIDENCE.

There is ENOUGH evidence to investigate~ I mean who takes the word of a LYING, cheating DUFUS at face value without verify ALL he has said? His history alone is reason to run for a grain of salt, and buy in bulk!

Evidence of what? And please don't tell me about what Manafort, et al did. There is certainly no evidence of Russian collusion.

Evidence of what? And please don't tell me about what Manafort, et al did. There is certainly no evidence of Russian collusion.

We know for fact he lies and feeds his base, but so far the evidence is everybody around his campaign is convicted and cooperating with a FEDERAL investigation after being tied to and CONVICTED, of lying and cheating the US. That leads to his transition team who has been convicted of LYING! That's enough to keep digging and see who lies and who doesn't!

You may be happy with NO COLLUSION, but do you really mind if that's verified? Why?

You may be happy with NO COLLUSION, but do you really mind if that's verified? Why?

Just because someone had a mind fart doesn't mean you launch an investigation

If you have been chastised by the government, committed bankruptcy, cannot get a loan from your state and country banks, then you really should be looked deeper into as a matter of good business.. It's called good business, and essential to truth and FACTS! Only a FOOL takes the word of a lying cheating bully, without VERIFICATION.

The same standard applies to EVERYBODY, even if the right wingers are giddy about what they have accomplished!

Just saying!

We know for fact he lies and feeds his base, but so far the evidence is everybody around his campaign is convicted and cooperating with a FEDERAL investigation after being tied to and CONVICTED, of lying and cheating the US. That leads to his transition team who has been convicted of LYING! That's enough to keep digging and see who lies and who doesn't!

If you want to convict him of lying, you need to try your beloved President Obama and almost-President Hillary Clinton. They lied as much as Trump.

Trump Derangement Syndrome. "I don't like him, so he must be guilty of something."

I will admit the dufus has energized the dems. Would you have voted for him if you knew he was under investigation by the FBI?

They used the dossier and Crossfire Hurricane as a pretext to spy on his campaign . The investigation came later as the Strzok-Page "insurance policy " ...the text sent from Strzok to Page in August 2016 which read: “I want to believe the path you threw out in Andy’s [McCabe's] office—that there’s no way he gets elected—but I’m afraid we can’t take the risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

I will admit the dufus has energized the dems. Would you have voted for him if you knew he was under investigation by the FBI?

You voted for HC all the while knowing she was the subject of an FBI investigation and was, as it turned out, not charged with a crime due to the influence of the Obama DOJ. And you want to question those who voted for Trump?? Good grief.

I question the outcomes given the dufus we have and his embarrassing performance on the world stage, and at home, and the distinct possibility of his corruption, nepotism, self enrichment and all those criminals associated with him going to jail, or singing like birds to the Feds and State prosecutors.

Also strange the dems got hacked, local voting rolls were hacked, but Hillary was not. Hmmm, maybe we need to copy HER security practices.

I will just give you the same answer as before. "You voted for HC all the while knowing she was the subject of an FBI investigation and was, as it turned out, not charged with a crime due to the influence of the Obama DOJ. And you want to question those who voted for Trump?? Good grief."

You're right. Hillary is gone and the dufus is the prez and under investigation. Works for me.

You're right. Hillary is gone and the dufus is the prez and under investigation. Works for me.

Works for me, too, especially the "Hillary is gone" part. Works for all of us.

If you're okay with the dufus manifesto.

Any time I get dissatisfied with Trump, I just look at the economy, the federal courts, and HC and Obama, and I suddenly feel a lot better about things.

That explains why you keep bring them up. I find it fascinating that you and the loony white supremacists support the same guy.

And the black nationalists supported Obama, but that didn't seem to stop you from supporting him. Why? Because we both have enough sense to know that both black and white nationalists are a tremendously small percentage of the country.

I can honestly say I do not know a single white nationalist. Not one. They must all live in Texas.

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Yes when will you get it, it is bad when you start measuring the poverty rather than the prosperity. The poor elect socialists because they are sold a promise of something for nothing, they have nothing so it is attractive, they can afford it.

The poor elect socialists because they are sold a promise of something for nothing, they have nothing so it is attractive, they can afford it.

Well said.

Or the conservative right latching on to a wall Mexico is going to pay for, and pressing America to pony up. That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism, as practiced in China or Russia really, since an elite few control who gets what, while they hoard the greatest chair of the prosperity and live in opulence.

Another form of slavery, be they homogenized or diverse.

Or the conservative right latching on to a wall Mexico is going to pay for, and pressing America to pony up. That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism, as practiced in China or Russia really, since an elite few control who gets what, while they hoard the greatest chair of the prosperity and live in opulence.

Another form of slavery, be they homogenized or diverse.

And yet you would wish to exchange one form of slavery for another

That's okay, talk that socialist stuff is bad all you want, but little difference between capitalism, communism, and socialism,

Completely untrue. You don't understand the differences between the three, and in fact communism is not in the same category as capitalism and socialism.

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

Yes they all require government control

Are you semantically challenged or something? All 3 systems function identically unless you can articulate the differences besides language.

Fifteen minutes on the internet and you will see that your statement of "all 3 systems function identically" is totally, 100% untrue. If you go out in public and try to tell people that capitalism and socialism "function identically", you will be met with laughter.

You didn't answer the question on what are the differences. Should I assume you don't see any either? If so please articulate if you can. Now I can say maybe there was a time we were different, but have we sunk to the same cronyism, and nepotism, that plaque their societies? Have we established our own oligarchy with capitalism as they have? Laugh and dismiss it with popular misconceptions grown over years and decades, and fed by old wounds and old rhetoric.

So if you see a difference articulate it.

You didn't answer the question on what are the differences.

Where did you ask the question?? But now that you have, the difference is ENORMOUS. Capitalism is an economic system which uses private ownership of the means of production. Socialism is an economic system which uses state ownership of the means of production. So in a capitalist system, I can own my own farm or my own business, but not in a socialist system. Most of the so-called socialist systems in Europe actually use a mixture of the two.

Communism is a political theory.

So I guess I just saved you your fifteen minutes of doing this for yourself.

Communism is practiced as a reality, and your farm and business is subject to being taken by a richer more ambitious American. 15 minutes on the internet is a start I suppose but you still get an F for research. I still see no difference in the ruling class elites and their cronies sucking the economy dry and the rest of the population waiting for the crumbs to trickle down.

The only difference is our military is everywhere.

Communism is practiced as a reality, and your farm and business is subject to being taken by a richer more ambitious American.

What on earth are you talking about?? That is a completely false statement.


15 minutes on the internet is a start I suppose but you still get an F for research.

Says the man who has no idea how capitalism and socialism are different and did nothing whatsoever to find out how they are different.

So tedious waiting for you to catch up. Do your own homework you slacker. Look we can debate, or throw rocks. Makes me no difference my friend.

Again, says the man who thought socialism, capitalism, and communism were all the same thing. We can't debate until you get that figured out.

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime. In fact here is a link to check out and has other links to add to the debate. All three systems have merits and flaws, but all three work for the country. Comes down to the humans that manage them.

https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-capitalism-and-socialism.html

In my opinion the leaders of all three govern the same way ruthlessly and selfishly. That makes them the same! Even in Europe the economics are shady and rigid. Thats the basic flaw is trying to distribute the wealth based on the values of the few. (Elite rulers who can enforce their RULES, by force, economics and muniipulation of those economics.)

I will let you parse the semantics any way you please. I stand behind my assertion that they are all the same, as at this time for whatever reason it has not evolved as yet to better behavior toward the masses they govern.

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime. In fact here is a link to check out and has other links to add to the debate. All three systems have merits and flaws, but all three work for the country. Comes down to the humans that manage them.

https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-capitalism-and-socialism.html

In my opinion the leaders of all three govern the same way ruthlessly and selfishly. That makes them the same! Even in Europe the economics are shady and rigid. Thats the basic flaw is trying to distribute the wealth based on the values of the few. (Elite rulers who can enforce their RULES, by force, economics and muniipulation of those economics.)

I will let you parse the semantics any way you please. I stand behind my assertion that they are all the same, as at this time for whatever reason it has not evolved as yet to better behavior toward the masses they govern.

So by your theorm, it is all an illusion perpetrated by the elites to let us think we have control. Communists call themselves democracies yet the voice of the people is not heard and the population is enslaved, while democracies (ie; rule by elected representatives) call themselves capitalists and enslave the population by economic means

YUP! You nailed it. Campaign financing has taken the power from the people and put it squarely with rich guys and the lobbyist that serve them.

I will put my years of observation against your 15 minute Google searches anytime.

Based on what I've seen from your years of observation concerning economic systems, I'm comfortable with that.

It's not the system, it's the humans who manage it that causes the issues. My personal observation is other societies and government are rapidly catching up with our ways, and ain't taking our crap and have crap of their own to pursue. More than economics plays into it. To see them as inferior is a big mistake. To see us as superior is a bigger mistake.

It's not the system, it's the humans who manage it that causes the issues. My personal observation is other societies and government are rapidly catching up with our ways, and ain't taking our crap and have crap of their own to pursue. More than economics plays into it. To see them as inferior is a big mistake. To see us as superior is a bigger mistake.

We are trying to abandon your ways, I can think of a dozen pieces of legislation that exist to counter balance the rabid advance of capitalism (GREED) and particularly your implementation of it

We are trying to abandon your ways, I can think of a dozen pieces of legislation that exist to counter balance the rabid advance of capitalism (GREED) and particularly your implementation of it

I think it would be safe to say that greed drives socialism as much as it drives capitalism. It would also be safe to say that capitalist United States is easily the most generous and charitable country on the earth, so I wouldn't be too quick to think that greed is the only driving force.

Power, control, and influence drives the greed.

Power, control, and influence drives the greed.

I'd say it's the other way around, but regardless, it's true everywhere.

It would also be safe to say that capitalist United States is easily the most generous and charitable country on the earth


Bill Gates gives millions from his surplus, and the widow gives a pittance from her substance. Who do you think Jesus would say is the more generous?

Bill Gates gives millions from his surplus, and the widow gives a pittance from her substance. Who do you think Jesus would say is the more generous?

The United States.

The United States.


Wrong.

The comparison was between Bill Gates and the widow, but the United States will do. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Jesus' attitude toward the rich and the poor. For help in understanding, search for "the widow's mite" in the Gospels.

Giving to those less fortunate from your surplus is not about generosity but is about a repayment of resources that God had originally bestowed on everyone equally and that the rich had usurped.

I'm familiar with the widow's mite. Giving to those less fortunate is still a generous thing to do. The point with the widow's mite was that her giving had greater value before God since it came at a greater cost to her. Now if you can figure out some way to grade a nation's giving based on that standard, then go for it. The truth remains that the United States, far and away, gives more foreign aid than any other country. That was my reference. Let there be a natural disaster somewhere and the most generous country, in terms of amount given, will be the United States.

I'm familiar with the widow's mite. Giving to those less fortunate is still a generous thing to do. The point with the widow's mite was that her giving had greater value before God since it came at a greater cost to her. Now if you can figure out some way to grade a nation's giving based on that standard, then go for it. The truth remains that the United States, far and away, gives more foreign aid than any other country. That was my reference. Let there be a natural disaster somewhere and the most generous country, in terms of amount given, will be the United States.

The reality is no. when the Tsunami hit my nation gave a billion dollars to Indonesia. Per head of population that was a massive give and far exceeded anything the US did, when you nation exceeds that standard you can crow about your generosity and can you recall Haiti how much of your promised aid actually got there and shall we speak of your own dear Peuto Rico who you so generously helped into poverty after the hurricane

The reality is no. when the Tsunami hit my nation gave a billion dollars to Indonesia. Per head of population that was a massive give and far exceeded anything the US did, when you nation exceeds that standard you can crow about your generosity and can you recall Haiti how much of your promised aid actually got there and shall we speak of your own dear Peuto Rico who you so generously helped into poverty after the hurricane

So let's see. You gave a bil to Indonesia, which is wonderful. We are committed to 16 bil to Puerto Rico alone and have given billions more to Haiti. So yeah, by your standard of 1 billion I would say we are generously helping them. Both countries are poor and have been poor since their inception. They would be FAR worse off if not for American aid, and that does not mention the abundant aid given from private American sources.

So no, I'm not going to jump aboard your "Bash America" train. If not for this country, most of the world would be speaking German, Russian, or Japanese by now, and yet I've learned that most non-Americans, like you, can hardly wait to say something derogatory about the United States. Shame. You'll notice we don't waste our time being critical of your country. Worse, you didn't even bother to spend fifteen minutes on a search engine to find out your allegation was wrong.

Why research what I have searched before, I have been here a long time talking about these issues. I understand your pride in what your fathers did, but that is not who leads you now, and don't talk to me about commitments, talk to me about real action. Stop interferring in other nations

Mueller Report complete and has been turned over to the AG Barr.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-sends-report-on-trump-investigation-to-ag-barr/ar-BBV6Xiu?ocid=spartanntp

Why research what I have searched before, I have been here a long time talking about these issues. I understand your pride in what your fathers did, but that is not who leads you now, and don't talk to me about commitments, talk to me about real action. Stop interferring in other nations

I'd be happy to stop interfering with other nations. We could stop our 25% funding of the United Nations, for instance. We could let the Middle East go up in smoke. We could stop funding Israel and let them be massacred by the Arabs. We could have let the Japanese have Australia and then we wouldn't have to worry about the non-stop criticism of people who could show at least a small amount of gratitude.

Tal, it will be interesting to see what Mueller came up with. Do you think the report will ever see the light of day?

tal, it will be interesting to see what mueller came up with

nada zippo

I'd be happy to stop interfering with other nations. We could stop our 25% funding of the United Nations, for instance. We could let the Middle East go up in smoke. We could stop funding Israel and let them be massacred by the Arabs. We could have let the Japanese have Australia and then we wouldn't have to worry about the non-stop criticism of people who could show at least a small amount of gratitude.

Tal, it will be interesting to see what Mueller came up with. Do you think the report will ever see the light of day?

Oh how you love the myths of the military industrial complex. Let us take these one by one

You fund the UN so you can influence world affairs to your own end, yes we all should stop funding the UN and its socialist NWO agenda

It is you who sent the middle east up in smoke, your interference in the region is the source of continual war. Who is it who had a plan to conquer Irag, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Iran. Should I go on?

Israel will not be massacred by the Arabs, that is zionist paranoia.

The Japanese did not want Australia, they knew it to be a bridge too far, all they really wanted was the oil fields of Indonesia because you denied them oil supplies. You are the victims of your own foreign policy and you cannot see it. You wanted a base of operations against the japanese and Australia was convenient, nothing more

You want gratitude because you won the second world war, huge hand clap, but you forgot to applaud those who helped, who died in millions so you could march in at the end, who were fighting and dying for years before you got involved and say look what we have done. Your victory over Japan was resounding, it is still resounding in the atomic weapons you seek to control. The victory in Europe was Russian, your opening of the second front made that possible.


You are like an army of soldier ants, forever moving, consuming

Revisionist history. Convenient.

Revisionist history. Convenient.

No, truth, without the american razz-a-ma-taz and look how good we are B/S

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Zippo

Yep. They'll be great mourning in Dem land for the next several days. Not only is collusion not a crime, but there was evidently no collusion to begin with. The Mueller probe was a high dollar, liberal attempt to bring Trump down and it apparently failed miserably. Now to see if Trump can exercise the self discipline needed to move on victoriously from this.

Wonder who those powerful dems are that can make republican investigate republicans? I think you both jump to conclusions based on high hopes.

So it was all smoke and mirrors after all and certainly a spook disinformation campaign and perhaps Mueller should have been investigating whether american intelligence agencies colluded to influence the outcome of the election

We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

lunch is served

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We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

Domestic probably not illegal

We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

Obstruction
Money laundering
Fraud
Lying
Cheating
Incompetence
Cruelty to children
Cabinet appointees scandal and incompetence

What has he done to protect the US from Cyber attacks? He is pretty good to go with the NO collusion stuff for now until the Mueller report can be released, but let's not just ignore the facts that Mueller has nailed the Russians and drained the swamp of all kinds of criminals and grifters and want to be''s.

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Hope he learned though that opening his big mouth will always make him look very suspicious, and make trouble for him. The scrutiny is however not over by a long shot.

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Yep. No great role model like HC and Obama?

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Having trouble with the dripping with sarcasm font.

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

I don't think "we" can be assured of anything but one circus has ended

I don't think that's the case, just another episode of the dufus drama beginning.

Yes he goes from one failed campaign promise to another but what does it matter when you are swimming in B/S

Yeah. Lowest unemployment figures in decades. Nothing to see here. Just keep moving.

. Nothing to see here. Just keep moving.

You wish and so does Donald

I'm sure there will be more made up charges.

Why are people more concerned with Russian' interference in the election' than our own Government interference? Because Russia's the enemy (Lookie over there...easier to blame others...others that you expect it from), lets blame them, oh and Trump is friendly toward the Russkis, Bingo! What's it going to take to shut these people up. I can Only hope that Trump takes 2020, just to watch people go Ballistic. Rest assured, the Presidency will never be the same.


What is Politics going to do for you? Why is it that politics has become personal, its now part of your/our identity. Politics is steeped in Corruption! Why get involved with such malarkey. Now everybody's involved in politics, wonder why its a sh*t show...Go figure.


How is a corrupt institution going to assess and judge the problem of political corruption when
corruption is consequently a “normal” condition among politicians?


Pretty foolish to think that Politics will supply ultimate answers to human questions. Politics is about winners and losers. Good guys Bad guys, and only one side can win...it's a zero-sum game.

Well the report came out finally and even with redactions it's not good for the dufus and his sycophants. Read it here

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

Nothing like what Barr and the dufus have been saying.

it is very much like they have been saying . No collusion ;no obstruction. I have not read the whole thing yet because it reads like one of those terms of service agreements … very droll. I skipped the 1st part and started with the second part because there is no dispute about the 1st part .

Barr in his presser said that he AND Rosenstein disagreed with Mueller on whether the incidents Mueller outlines even could have amounted to obstruction as a matter of law.
Mueller was saying that the incidents involved actions that could theoretically have amounted to obstruction.Like I said in my 'Mueller Dossier' post ;Mueller has a very broad interpretation of the statues.
The President could've shut the investigation down .He didn't . He could've invoked executive privilege . He didn't .He could've fired Mueller . He didn't Instead he opened the White House for Mueller's scrutiny and handed over thousands of documents to the investigation.

Why is it the Mueller Dossier ? Because the role of the investigator is to determine whether a crime was committed or not . If Mueller could not bring a case. Then it was not up to him to fuel the political debate . What he did is like what Comey did.

Comey laid out a case against Evita and then said no reasonable prosecutor would charge her. If there was no charge to bring then he should never had made statements about them. Mueller similarly puts 10 instances on the table where under a broad definition there may be a case for criminal obstruction . He knew Barr was not going to act on them . So the only reason to bring them up was to keep the issue hot in the political debate .

now if you want a clear case of obstruction that would be Evita taking a hammer to her backberry and bleachbit the files on her server .

now if you want a clear case of obstruction that would be Evita taking a hammer to her backberry and bleachbit the files on her server .

You suppose AG Lynch's meeting with BC in secret for nearly an hour had anything to do with the decision to not charge HC?

of course it was . It was clear the decision to let Evita off the hook came right out of the mouth of the emperor himself . He was the one that came up with the careless but no ill intent excuse .Comey almost said it word for word after the emperor said it . Then a month after the tarmac meeting Lynch announced that Justice would not investigate the relationship between the Clintoon foundation and State Dept. At the time it was being reported that Evita was going to keep Lynch on at Justice .While all this was going on ,Lynch was using a pseudonym email account under the name
“Elizabeth Carlisle”.Evidently that practice was widely employed in the emperor's regime.

Please forgive me guy's, I'm a bit distracted by the current state of affairs with the investigation into the current administration to go back and litigate past abuses. I can wait for the Inspector Generals report for that. Wonder what Vlad told the dufus when he couldn't hack and deliver HC's emails?

wonder what happened when Christopher Steele admitted that parts of his dossier might be fabricated from information he received from Russian sources ?



Last year, in a deposition in a lawsuit filed against Buzzfeed, Mr. Steele emphasized that his reports consisted of unverified intelligence. Asked whether he took into account that some claims might be Russian fabrications, he replied, “Yes.”
F.B.I. agents considered whether Russia had polluted the stream of intelligence, but did not give it much credence, according to the former official.
But that is an issue to which multiple inquiries are likely to return. There has been much chatter among intelligence experts that Mr. Steele’s Russian informants could have been pressured to feed him disinformation.
Daniel Hoffman, a former C.I.A. officer who served in Moscow, said he had long suspected the dossier was contaminated by Russian fabrications. The goal, he said, would be to deepen American divisions and blur the line between truth and falsehood.
“How many times have hearings on Capitol Hill used information from the dossier?” Mr. Hoffman said. “How much damage has it already caused?”



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

It's going to turn out, I think, that the dirty dealings in this whole deal was primarily by the democrats. They were so sure HC would win and that they would be able to cover up their mess that they became careless.

wonder what happened when Christopher Steele admitted that parts of his dossier might be fabricated from information he received from Russian sources ? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

Nice debate but inconclusive don't you think? McCain turned the dossier over to the FBI as well he should as advised by Lindsay Graham for a proper investigation. LOL, we all know the dufus never informed the FBI of his being contacted by Russians, but welcomed it and sought to use it for his advantage against HC. Common goal between the dufus and Vlad, get Hillary. This was AFTER the FBI told the dufus the Russians are coming, and are here!

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-warned-trump-russia-infiltrate-campaign-team-2017-12

Obviously the dufus had no intention of listening to his future intel community. We don't need to speculate about the outcome of that do we?


It's going to turn out, I think, that the dirty dealings in this whole deal was primarily by the democrats. They were so sure HC would win and that they would be able to cover up their mess that they became careless.

Is the dufus covering up his mess now?

Nelie Ohr was employed at Fusion GPS and her husband Bruce Ohr was a top Justice Dept official . Nelie gave Bruce the thumb drive that contained the dossier . Bruce gave it to the FBI . Ultimately it does not matter that McCain hated Trump and delivered a copy of the dossier to the FBI .The FBI had their hands on it well before McCain did . But keep clinging to that and other false and incomplete narratives you believe . McCain's role was inconsequential .

Even if what you say is TRUE, what difference does it make? Would you ignore it or check it out? If your name came up while you were talking to a dope dealer (Or any other character, you pick) under surveillance should the cops check you out too? That's how intel works, and they all know who is friendly who is NOT.

Guess which side the dufus and his buddies chose?

so did they investigate every public official who had any association or rumor of association with Russians ? No they chose Trump in an attempt to derail his campaign and later his Presidency . Why is it that Tony Podesta ;who's brother ran the Evita campaign was not charged for doing the exact same things that got Manafort ? This was a persuit of criminalizing political opponents and nothing to do with the pursuit of justice . FACT . the emperor knew about Russian efforts and his people were told to stand down . https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stand-down-how-the-obama-team-blew-the-response-to-russian-meddling_n_5aa29a97e4b086698a9d1112

Why were all the FISA renewals signed off by Rice ?

so did they investigate every public official who had any association or rumor of association with Russians ?

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that they only investigated Trump. So do I win a prize??

I have nothing against Obama and Clinton at this late date, and I'm sick of seeing these endless investigations while the country is borrowing money like there's no tomorrow and nothing is said or done about it. But I have to admit that I'm so tired of the plain and evident corruption that led to this phony Russia investigation that I am ready to see someone nailed for it.

It has to be seen through . If this is allowed to stand then we will never be able to go back to the days the emperor was talking about with the peaceful transition of power and a normal constitutional process . The norm will be the criminalization of political opposition .The use of the IRS ,the Intel agencies ,the Justice Dept to put them down or minimalize their influence . Don't like the Tea Party ? Sic the IRS on them . Don't like Trump ? Fabricate charges and take him down .