Russia has perfected an unstoppable weapon, a Chinese military academic recommends sinking American aircraft carriers and Trump shuts down the American government because he cannot get his wall. What a start to a new year. Meanwhile Kim wants to talk while the Japanese respond by beefing up their aircraft carriers. I expect my own nation will follow suit.

Perhaps it is time to rethink strategy

Gone mad? When was it not mad? It's a safer place now than during the Cold War, but you are right to be concerned. Trump's wall will make American a safer place.

Imagine a partial government shutdown during a holiday. If one side stayed in Washington, extending an open ended invitation to negotiate, while the other vacationed in Hawaii, what should the media coverage look like?

When I see the Ruskies test their hypersonic missile I'll believe they "perfected "it .

There has been a lot of bluster from the Chinese military . Makes me wonder how much control Xi has over them.

Kim has to demonstrate a commitment to something besides the old tired NORK strategy of head fake while proceeding in developing nukes and long range delivery systems .He could start with dismantling and opening his country to international inspection. What Kim really wants is neighbors like Moon Jai-in ;the a$$hole President of S Korea ;who is surrendering his nation to Kim without a fight .

Why should the dems keep negotiating with a lying cheating dufus that changes his terms and conditions constantly whenever his "base" hollers? That would be insane and is the reason the government is closed. I hope congress does it's job and passes a bill in the house and senate and resolves the gridlock, and let's the dufus decide to sign or veto it. Good luck hoping the dufus gets his wall from Nancy and Chuck, as even Mitch ain't sold on it either. We are safer now that we got rid of those house sycophants, as the administration crumbles before our eyes and nobody wants to replace them. That's the story for 2019 that the media will report.

Can you blame Vlad, Kim or Xi from pressing on with their own agenda when the Dufus won't oppose them? Expect even more lies from this White House as the pressure mounts, and Iran and the Saudis get in the mix.

Oh and Happy New Year, if we can dump the dufus.

why don't the Dems want border security ? That will be the question voters will ask in 2020 .
Democrats oppose a wall. They oppose using the military to secure the border. They oppose fully prosecuting illegals who use their children as shields. They oppose forcing asylum seekers to stay in Mexico while their cases are investigated. They oppose any attempt to stop the endless floodf unknown people coming into the country. They use the cities they control as sanctuary cities defying federal law .
The party of open borders ….has a nice ring to it .... right ?

changes his terms and conditions constantly

Also known as "negotiating".

Naw, that's just the dufus and fake news spin. FACT is we want more border security and more people at the border to HUMANELY process the immigrants desperately running from home because of dangerous and oppressive conditions not unlike those across the world migrating for a safer place. Fact is that's just human nature and we have a history of such behavior and America was built on it.

Heck all our peeps were unknown at one point or another, but a few generations does change that drastically for the better. Now we should be afraid of those unknowns since they aren't from the homelands of some? Guess who made the natives of this land over here illegal in the first place, and why? I find it fascinating Vlad can send his rich people over here to the dufus luxury hotels and supports Russian anchor babies and not a peep from the right.

It's no wonder that liberals practice such civil disobedience over those kinds of unfair practices and policies, to help those that the right vilifies and oppresses them in the most blatant case of discrimination since slavery. What's laughable is the right fully expects the left to just rollover and accept the lying cheating discriminating dufus BS! Never have before, and I doubt that happens anytime soon no matter what antics are undertaken.

You guys may have elected the fool but make no mistake it's the dems who will vet and expose him and Nancy will pull his pants down publicly. So maybe we start with the facts of the matter if we can get the dufus and repubs to stop watching FAUX News. I mean who sits home with his tweets and doesn't pick up the phone to invite the opposition to his fake party? Can't blame him since it would be humiliating for the last days of repub rule to end in a total flop!

Oh wait, it is ending in a total flop! A new day starts THURSDAY. Don't you look forward to right wing heads exploding?

Naw, that's just the dufus and fake news spin. FACT is we want more border security and more people at the border to HUMANELY process the immigrants desperately running from home because of dangerous and oppressive conditions not unlike those across the world migrating for a safer place. Fact is that's just human nature and we have a history of such behavior and America was built on it.

What the dems have been saying for decades now, and the result is 15 million illegal immigrants in our country. Time to try something else.

FACT is we want more border security and more people at the border to HUMANELY process the immigrants
No you don't .Half your candidates want to eliminate(….oops I mean “reimagined.”)ICE .

You don't fool me or most Americans .

FACT is we want more border security and more people at the border to HUMANELY process the immigrants desperately running from home because of dangerous and oppressive conditions not unlike those across the world migrating for a safer place. Fact is that's just human nature and we have a history of such behavior and America was built on it.
You're exactly right! We don't need no stinkin' medieval wall that can be gotten over or under or around. And yes, we need more well-trained and humane border security and agents. AND we need to stifle our own interest and addictions in illegal drugs so as not to invite traffickers with our open arms and pockets stuffed with money.

What the dems have been saying for decades now, and the result is 15 million illegal immigrants in our country. Time to try something else.

Hey did you forget the repub presidents the last few decades? You sure ain't commenting on those rich Russian women and their anchor babies. WHY?



No you don't .Half your candidates want to eliminate(….oops I mean “reimagined.”)ICE .
You don't fool me or most Americans .


I don't blame ICE for following orders, unfortunately the dufus is giving the orders. He is the one fooling some Americans since MOST Americans had the sense not to vote for him.

You're exactly right! We don't need no stinkin' medieval wall that can be gotten over or under or around. And yes, we need more well-trained and humane border security and agents. AND we need to stifle our own interest and addictions in illegal drugs so as not to invite traffickers with our open arms and pockets stuffed with money.

Yeah. Just keep doing what we've been doing. Works great!

Tal, I actually agree with your comment about repub presidents. No one has done anything effective. Now will a wall work? I don't know, but I'm all for trying it. I'm done with nice sounding, flowery talk.

We don't need no stinkin' medieval wall that can be gotten over or under or around.
Yeah those prison walls are so ineffective . There is demonstrable evidence that were there is already a physical barrier at the border ,illegal crossings have decreased . In El Paso ,a metal fence put up in Bush years has dramatically curtailed illegal crossings by 89% from Juarez .El Paso went from one of the most dangerous cities in America to one of the safest . Since the fence was put up drug smuggling was halved. Where the fence exists in San Diego ;apprehensions declined by 76%.

Yes walls are effective if you build one high enough and long enough it just might keep americans in, but you know the answer to stop the flow of illegals, lock them up and make a rule that anyone who comes illegally will not be allowed to stay, then you can have an orderly entry process. The number of illegals has apparently risen from eleven million to fifteen million in the last year so whatever wall you have must be ineffective

Yeah those prison walls are so ineffective . There is demonstrable evidence that were there is already a physical barrier at the border ,illegal crossings have decreased . In El Paso ,a metal fence put up in Bush years has dramatically curtailed illegal crossings by 89% from Juarez .El Paso went from one of the most dangerous cities in America to one of the safest . Since the fence was put up drug smuggling was halved. Where the fence exists in San Diego ;apprehensions declined by 76%.
But not because of walls (or fences).

A small taste of how drugs get into the U.S. and why walls don't stop it, from https://medium.com/@Brookings/why-the-us-mexico-border-wall-wouldnt-stop-drug-smuggling-5571b2bf693b

According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, most of the smuggled marijuana as well as cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamines comes through the 52 legal ports of entry on the border. These ports have to process literally millions of people, cars, trucks, and trains every week. Traffickers hide their illicit cargo in secret, state–of–the art compartments designed for cars, or under legal goods in trailer trucks. And they have learned many techniques for fooling the border patrol. Mike, a grizzled U.S. border official whom I interviewed in El Paso in 2013, shrugged: “The narcos sometimes tip us off, letting us find a car full of drugs while they send six other cars elsewhere. Such write–offs are part of their business expense. Other times the tipoffs are false. We search cars and cars, snarl up the traffic for hours on, and find nothing.”

Since the democrats are not willing to keep America safe and add border security and stop illegals, it is time to shut down the Govermnet and perhaps consider closing down the democrats for giving aid to terrorist, Taking control of sanctuary cities for aiding illegal activity.

It is time to start more worry about threats inside America

It is time to start more worry about threats inside America.
The major threats inside America are our own greed and gun violence and white supremacists and, in general, a major lack of empathy.

The major threats inside America are our own greed and gun violence and white supremacists and, in general, a major lack of empathy.

Well, you may be right, but it seems that a group with no interest in securing national borders is a greater threat, such people are traitors wanting to sell out their country for political advantage. Maybe a "wall" is the answer, it has proved effective in other places, but there are other threats that should be eliminated. Drug dealers, illegal arms sellers, corrupt law enforcement not to mention corrupt politicians and you haven't even got to the ordinary citizen.

a group with no interest in securing national borders
Securing borders is a lot more than (and is done much better than) building a "medieval wall" that can be gotten under, over, and around.


you haven't even got to the ordinary citizen
That's who I was talking about. Too many "ordinary citizens" are greedy, encourage/engage in activities that end up in gun violence, white supremacists (think racists -- yes, they're everywhere), and people lacking empathy.

The major threats inside America are our own greed and gun violence and white supremacists and, in general, a major lack of empathy.

Yeah, boy. Those white supremacists are all over the place. Why, I talked with one just... now let's see, when was that? 20 years ago? Please. That's the exaggeration of the year. Course we are only one day into the year.

The major threats inside America are our own greed and gun violence and white supremacists and, in general, a major lack of empathy.


Tell that to the family of Corporal Ronil Singh .Tell that to the father of Madison Wells.
or the family of Mollie Tibbetts
Talk about empathy . Where is it for the victims of violent crime by "undocumented " illegals ?

and we used to have Ellis Island for this . Sick immigrants were NOT allowed entry .

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/31/number-sick-kids-soars-border/

Now they are given hospital care ;and if something goes wrong and they die ,it's our fault.

C'mon over, JL. I'll introduce you to my in-law relatives.

You are too busy looking in the wrong places, comes from being paranoid, that is why you need guns, but they are the most ineffective tool because they are rarely used. You would think an armed nation would deter illegal immigrants but they hold no fear because the place they left has worse outcomes. While supremeists, they are all talk and little action, just a diversion for the real problem which is all the leftist crud

C'mon over, JL. I'll introduce you to my in-law relatives.

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.
It's not a theory. I've lived through it (racism) at every in-law family get-together. And I finally figured out why it exists.

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.

This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists

This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists


You left out the Jews.

Or have you forgotten your comment that America is a Jewish lackey?

You left out the Jews.

Or have you forgotten your comment that America is a Jewish lackey?

No, the Jews use their influence to protect Israel, they are not what is wrong with your society. I am not anti-Jewish or anti-Israel but they need to go their own way just like the rest of us. America is not the Jewish promised land, that is a different place

It's not a theory. I've lived through it (racism) at every family get-together. And I finally figured out why it exists.

I have no doubt they are out there and are bad for the country. I just don't think they are a major problem.

I have no doubt they are out there and are bad for the country. I just don't think they are a major problem.

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

That would likely be because they have not taken your job nor lowered the wages of the job you work in, but there are millions of Americans for whom that is true, and that's not to mention the multiplied billions of tax dollars they are consuming in a time where we are 21 tril in debt.

Look, I have no huge issues with these people. I'm all for working out some way for many, if not most, of them to remain here legally, but to continue to allow them to pour across the border is ridiculous.

You would think an armed nation would deter illegal immigrants but they hold no fear because the place they left has worse outcomes or the millions of Americans who own guns are by a large majority law abiding citizens who do not become vigilantes once they own fire arms .


This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists are you off your meds again ?

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

Claims that immigration enforcement equals racism ignore the reality that the group most likely to benefit from a tougher approach to immigration enforcement is young black men, who often compete with recent immigrants for jobs.

That would likely be because they have not taken your job nor lowered the wages of the job you work in, but there are millions of Americans for whom that is true, and that's not to mention the multiplied billions of tax dollars they are consuming in a time where we are 21 tril in debt.

Give me some examples of what you speak, since I doubt the accuracy, seems greatly exaggerated TBH, and mixing in the debt is a sneaky way to blame immigrants for more than they deserve.


Look, I have no huge issues with these people. I'm all for working out some way for many, if not most, of them to remain here legally, but to continue to allow them to pour across the border is ridiculous.

There are many more immigrants who come here with a lawful visa and stay after it expires, than those pouring over the southern border. You don't have to take my word for it, check it for yourself.


Claims that immigration enforcement equals racism ignore the reality that the group most likely to benefit from a tougher approach to immigration enforcement is young black men, who often compete with recent immigrants for low-skilled jobs.

I made no such claim rather pointed out that immigration is but an exaggerated scapegoat talking point. If you ask a young black guy you would get institutional racism as a bigger problem that Mexicans by far...and for far longer.

immigration enforcement
"Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

"Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

Same mantra we've been hearing for decades. Didn't work. Build the wall.

Same mantra we've been hearing for decades. Didn't work. Build the wall.
Wall schmall! A wall can be breached by going over it, under it, and around it. And which side of the Rio Grande will you build it on? Hmmmm, can't build it on the Mexican side, and ooooops, if you build it on the US side, you'll cut off our access to the river, which opens up tons of problems. A wall will keep "them" out -- or keep us in?

The only reason we are even talking immigration is the dufus and his right wing sycophants have been whipping you into a lather fueled by fear of losing power and domination for the minorities you have oppressed, exploited, and controlled since this nation was born.

clearly it is an issue that Americans are concerned about . Border security was the primary issue that took Trump to the Presidency . The only REAL reason that Pelosi and Schumer oppose it is because Trump is President . They both supported border barriers in 2006 ;as did the emperor and Evita . Look I get the politics .After the negotiations are done then Trump will have some money for the wall and the Dems will get something in return like DACA . Meanwhile parks are getting trashed because people are worse than animals . https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/government-shutdown-gty-jef-181227_hpEmbed_3x2_992.jpg

Meanwhile parks are getting trashed because people are worse than animals .

And the people who clean up after the animals are NOT on the job. I get the politics to, just not the chaos and drama and hostage taking. It's not even a decent debate with this lying cheating dufus over the facts.

Border security was the primary issue that took Trump to the Presidency . The only REAL reason that Pelosi and Schumer oppose it is because Trump is President . They both supported border barriers in 2006 ;as did the emperor and Evita .
No one's against border security. It's the blankety-blank wall that people are against.

fueled by fear of losing power and domination for the minorities you have oppressed, exploited, and controlled since this nation was born.

That's a ridiculous, senseless statement. It's the usual drivel we get from liberals who, when they have no real argument to make, resort to name calling. "You don't agree with me, so you must be a racist, fear-mongering Nazi!"


No one's against border security. It's the blankety-blank wall that people are against.

It's not an issue of what you are not against, but rather of what positive actions you suggest we should take to secure our southern border. A repeat of the failed policies of the past decades just does not get my attention. Build the wall!

tal you expose yourself by saying you want inertia rather than getting a negotiated solution with Trump. I think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders . Why not admit that is what you want ? You can go full George Soros .

I am not anti-Jewish or anti-Israel


Then what did you mean when you posted that "America is a Jewish lackey".

That line comes right out of the anti-semite talking points.

think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders .
To repeat: "Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

tal you expose yourself by saying you want inertia rather than getting a negotiated solution with Trump. I think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders . Why not admit that is what you want ? You can go full George Soros .

That ship has sailed and my opposition to a fence was voted down years ago. As will your big beautiful concrete wall from sea to shining sea that you can see from space. It's a false narrative just like your open borders fallacy, and that inertia comment. The dufus has made the southern border a humanitarian crisis with his fearmongering rhetoric.

We own half of the Rio Grande. Do we build the wall midstream? Or, on which side of the Rio Grande will we build it? Hmmmm, can't build it on the Mexican side. If we build it on the US side, we'll cut off our access to the river, which opens up tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems. A wall will keep "them" out -- or keep us in?

Why wouldn't the wall have the occasional gate?

Why wouldn't the wall have the occasional gate?


An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

In any case, the wall is a dead issue. Not a chance in hell it's going to be built. Especially since Trump has changed his tune from Mexico paying for it to YOU, the American taxpayer, paying for it.

An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

In any case, the wall is a dead issue. Not a chance in hell it's going to be built. Especially since Trump has changed his tune from Mexico paying for it to YOU, the American taxpayer, paying for it.

The same tactic he used in business and left banks and contractors on the hook while he walked away. What's the chances he is doing it again since Mexico said screw you dufus. In addition he lies about how far along he is on his wall, and even says he will cut the ribbon later this year. Who even listens to this guy?

Only a sucker!

Then what did you mean when you posted that "America is a Jewish lackey".

That line comes right out of the anti-semite talking points.

That may be so, but America has taken positions which place it firmly within Jewish policy such as moving its embassy to Jerusalem, a provocative move, and not opposing Jewish settlements. Why do you think the invasion of Iraq happened, Iraq under Saddam Hussein posed no threat to anyone but Israel. It was destroyed because it attacked Israel. America makes no complaint regarding Israeli air attacks on Syria, even though Israel is not at war against Syria. The American position against Iran benefits no one but Israel. American foreign policy is squarely in the hands of Jewish interests and the occupant of the White House has Jewish interests within his own family. Wake up and smell the roses

Look I think this two state solution is rubbish, better to give the Palestinians citizenship and completely annex the West Bank. Expel anyone who doesn't take up the offer and within a generation you would have a solution everyone could live with

An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

Actually, yes. The gates would solve a lot of problems. They seem to work in a lot of places and for many purposes.

Obviously you need gates, why not cede the river to Mexico and build your wall a little back on solid ground. Do you think you will loose anything by doing this since that is what you are doing anyway. You could build great bridges as border crossings and regulate the flow as you do now, it is an effective barrier to a few transident refugees. Ask yourself what could a few billion dollars do in central America to stem the flow? The money could be spent on establishing industries to keep the people there, far more effective than a wall

By international treaty ,and flood zone requirements, the wall would have a set back from the Rio Grande .

Ask yourself what could a few billion dollars do in central America to stem the flow? The money could be spent on establishing industries to keep the people there, far more effective than a wall.

Nonsense. How much more do we need to send? They have received billions already. Most of what gets sent will just end up in some government officials retirement plan. Come to think of it, that's much like what happens here!

Build the wall.

Nonsense. How much more do we need to send? They have received billions already. Most of what gets sent will just end up in some government officials retirement plan. Come to think of it, that's much like what happens here!

Build the wall.

I think you need to ask, do you really send anything? Much of your aid is tied aid, if it happens at all, remember Haiti. The aid you send is spent in the US not in the country and so aids only the US. Sure, build the wall the US needs the aid and the employment, what is one more useless structure anyway, better than highways to nowhere or bridges to nowhere.


By international treaty ,and flood zone requirements, the wall would have a set back from the Rio Grande .

Thank you Tom, my point exactly, you cannot build this border on the border for much of its length and having a design that doesn't restrict flood flow makes sense, last thing you want is to be accused of flooding Mexico

Thank you Tom, my point exactly, you cannot build this border on the border for much of its length and having a design that doesn't restrict flood flow makes sense, last thing you want is to be accused of flooding Mexico


You guys just don't get it, do you? The government will have to acquire several thousand miles to have the land to build the wall. Uncle Sam will have to go to court to establish eminent domain, then pay through the nose for all the private property, the waterfront businesses and homes, and everything else now existing on the property needed. By the time the preliminaries are done, Trump will be long gone and no one will care.

You guys just don't get it, do you? The government will have to acquire several thousand miles to have the land to build the wall. Uncle Sam will have to go to court to establish eminent domain, then pay through the nose for all the private property, the waterfront businesses and homes, and everything else now existing on the property needed. By the time the preliminaries are done, Trump will be long gone and no one will care.

True but a few more miles might make a difference, of course they could just declare the border zone a national park, eminent domain, you know works in more ways than one or it could all become a military firing range, great excuse to practice life fire exercises, see if the illegals will cross then, never knowing when the next attack will come. Jets racing up and down the border making sonic booms should discourage them, but then you guys aren't that innovative

True but a few more miles might make a difference, of course they could just declare the border zone a national park, eminent domain, you know works in more ways than one or it could all become a military firing range, great excuse to practice life fire exercises, see if the illegals will cross then, never knowing when the next attack will come. Jets racing up and down the border making sonic booms should discourage them, but then you guys aren't that innovative


If idiot boy declares it a firing range or that other stuff, he'll be run out of town on the rail of impeachment. Hey, now that I think of it - good idea!!

Athos I already established the fact that there are moves the government would have to make to extend the border fencing already built (hmmm how did the government manage to get over all the obstacles to build about 600 miles already ? ) There are natural barriers that do not need a physical barrier because they are barriers themselves .
The $5 billion Trump is asking for is spit in the ocean that amounts to a rounding error in the budget .NY spent almost $4 billion to build one bridge across the Hudson River . Massachusetts spent $24 billion to dig a tunnel .The Federal Government spent $25 billion annually maintaining vacant buildings and property . Billions more are wasted in the Federal Budget for various reasons that could easily be redirected . I am shocked the Dems have chosen this ant-hill to take a stand on;especially when what they could get in the negotiations would make this a victory for them.

Athos I already established the fact that there are moves the government would have to make to extend the border fencing already built (hmmm how did the government manage to get over all the obstacles to build about 600 miles already ? ) There are natural barriers that do not need a physical barrier because they are barriers themselves .
The $5 billion Trump is asking for is spit in the ocean that amounts to a rounding error in the budget .NY spent almost $4 billion to build one bridge across the Hudson River . Massachusetts spent $24 billion to dig a tunnel .The Federal Government spent $25 billion annually maintaining vacant buildings and property . Billions more are wasted in the Federal Budget for various reasons that could easily be redirected . I am shocked the Dems have chosen this ant-hill to take a stand on;especially when what they could get in the negotiations would make this a victory for them.

Yes Tom and not the mention the billions that just disappeared in various wars, he could use the defence budget or even CIA black money already approved but no he is doing it the right way

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Open the government back up and we talk! It's that simple. We will see how this plays out. Amazing how the repubs with full control of the congress couldn't get it done. Now you want the dems to do what feckless repubs could not. Or you would rather not pay the border patrol or coast guard while talks continue.

Personally I would give this administration a damn dime until he accounts for the loot he has already gotten.

Open the government back up and we talk! It's that simple.

Now that's really good. "Cave in and give us what we want, and then we can talk about what you want." Good luck with that.


Amazing how the repubs with full control of the congress couldn't get it done.

Agree completely. It's a disgrace that the republicans have so little courage.

Repubs don't want a wall either. Certainly not Texans

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article152402734.html

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/not-many-people-border-really-want-donald-trumps-wall/

http://lonestarliberty.net/alert-john-cornyn-says-texans-dont-want-border-wall-video/

And

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/11/rick-perry-trumps-wall-listen-you-cant-do/


Perry has long been a critic of building a wall or fence along the border. In 2011, during his first failed run for president, he called for "strategic fencing" along parts of the border.“If you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good," Perry said at the time at a campaign stop in New Hampshire. (https://www.texastribune.org/2011/09/03/s/)

Or you would rather not pay the border patrol or coast guard while talks continue. Sorry ;those agencies are essential . How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees instead of giving them deferred pay ? The Dems seem to forget that the government serves us and not the other way around.



Repubs don't want a wall either. Certainly not Texans This is not a state issue .

Perry has long been a critic of building a wall or fence along the border. In 2011, during his first failed run for president, he called for "strategic fencing" along parts of the border.“If you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good,"
I addressed El Paso comment #13

In El Paso ,a metal fence put up in Bush years has dramatically curtailed illegal crossings by 89% from Juarez .El Paso went from one of the most dangerous cities in America to one of the safest

So walls work and government employees don't, do you see the irony in this

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So walls work and government employees don't, do you see the irony in this.

Now that's a good one!

Well the new house has passed bills to fund government with no wall money, and feckless Mitch says he will not vote on a bill the president doesn't approve of, even though they are the same bills the senate passed last month. Two repub senators have already come out to support the house bills. More to follow?

So what does it all mean, high stakes poker or slight of hand

It's a game of chicken.

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/cache/lw600/168/16895/1689527.jpg

Yes, but you see Trump is unaffected, he has played such games for a long time, whereas he is hurting madam's power base, what do politicians do when there are no public servants

How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees


Like Donald Trump? He's about as non-essential as you can get.

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How about instead of that we lay off some non-essential government employees





Like Donald Trump? He's about as non-essential as you can get.



All we can do is make our recommendation November 2020 . It's funny that they furloughed non-essential Federal workers and it applies to most of the Federal work force

That includes the garbage collectors and cleaning the essential workers bathroom. Essential and non essential workers are as subjective as it gets, and a job not done affects the whole in some striking ways. As this drags out we will see that, as those non essentials have bills to pay.

You should not in my opinion expect government to act a business or corporation.

Look ;DC makes a fortune off tourist visiting the Capitol . Same with the gateway cities into the national parks . For the time of the shut down they should do the maintenance Or shut the parks down and lose the tourist business. It is as simple as that . What you are witnessing is the tragedy of the commons . When everyone owns it ,no one does . All you guys can think of for solutions is make the taxpayer who may never use the parks pay for it with their taxes .

That includes the garbage collectors and cleaning the essential workers bathroom. Essential and non essential workers are as subjective as it gets, and a job not done affects the whole in some striking ways. As this drags out we will see that, as those non essentials have bills to pay.

You should not in my opinion expect government to act a business or corporation.

Tal you are a communist at heart, all workers are essential, some are just more useful than others. So a few drones don't get their toilets cleaned, it is a tradegy. You should expect government workers to act

Clete, in America honest work for honest pay is the NORM, and expected. TSA, Border Patrol, and the Coast Guard not being paid on time is ludicrous, and even more insane that they will be expected to work for free until congress steps up and over rides the lunacy of this lying cheating dufus.

Or is the dufus afraid of his loony right wing? They love hostage stand offs.

What is real lunacy is this rediculous cycle of stop gap funding by continuous resolution . If we elected responsible leaders in the executive and the legislative branch then we would have a budget passed for the full fiscal year and we would end the fraud called 'baseline' budgetting .
Every year, Congress faces an Oct. 1 deadline to pass a spending package that will pay for our government through the following fiscal year. And every year since 1998, Congress has blown straight past that deadline. That is a national embarrassment .

What do you expect from a representative politically divided republic where congress and even the execs change members every few years. That's America. Now the dufus is an embarrassment all the way down the line. Even his own peeps don't know what to make of him.

there has always been a political divide. Still they were able to do the basics of governance . The 1998 budget was passed with Bubba and Newt running the show .

The good old days when men were men and did their jobs, while they talked crap and other stuff. So how long will Mitchster keep protecting the dufus from Nancy pulling his pants down in public by opening the government back up and ending this contrived farce of a shut down?

The dems have requested documents for the dufus budget, so things should get really interesting really fast.

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Tal, I figure you'll like this one.

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Compromise. Is such a thing possible

@ JL love it! LOL

Compromise is in the eye of the beholder, but insanity is negotiating with a lying cheating DUFUS!

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Works for me.

Works for me too

Second choice!

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