Never mind Tal one day you will have a government instead of a circus The ring master is Shmuck Shumer . Here is what Sen Collins said yesterday to the DEMOCRAT who leaked the letter to the nation :

"To that leaker, who I hope is listening now, let me say that what you did is unconscionable. You have taken a survivor, who is not only entitled to your respect, but who also trusted you, and you have sacrificed her well-being in a misguided attempt to win whatever political crusade you think you’re fighting. My only hope is that your callous act has turned this process into such a dysfunctional circus that it will cause the Senate and, indeed, all Americans to reconsider how we evaluate Supreme Court nominees. If that happens, then the appalling lack of compassion you afforded Professor Ford will have some unintended positive consequences."

Appealing to the NCC is pretty weak. They try to appeal to everything currently popular. They host as speakers those who are living lifestyles plainly against Scripture.

You still have the problem of convicting a person on the basis of no evidence. I know that bothers you not at all, but it bothers people who still cling to the concept of justice.


The biggest Christian organization in the country is a FAKE? You are not a part of mainstream Christianity? I don't recall appealing to anyone, but I do link the news stories I come across. If you cannot recognize that difference it's no wonder you cannot tell the difference between a job interview, and a court case.

You just attack anyone who disagrees with YOU! That's cool with me. Your boy gets his job but the court of public opinion goes against him, and it may well not be over, but now I understand better why you are so good at holding your nose. Need a link to the letter yale law School students wrote?

ummm that Garland thingy . It's called the Biden rule .

and so does many Republicans .They don't vote in a block like the Dems to a point where one aisle crosser is being eviciratated today . I thought you guys liked it when a Senator shows independence and crosses the aisle to vote against the party line .Guess not .

Refresh my memory, who was that nominee that Biden blocked?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/mar/17/context-biden-rule-supreme-court-nominations/



There was no Supreme Court vacancy to fill.There was no nominee to consider.The Senate never took a vote to adopt a rule to delay consideration of a nominee until after the election.



No we are talking about the McConnell doctrine here. Whose eviscerating Manchin?
Who cares why Collins is voting yes? Dems have no way to stop anything the repubs wanted to do, so why are you jumping on Schumer?

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Yeah well them blue dogs never last that long. There's always blowback for upsetting the party. It will get lost through the BK victory laps until the next news cycle at least.

Repubics still have Collins and others . You guys have almost completely purged moderates . Even Madam Mim faces challenges from the radical progressives .Here is NY the Dems purges the 2nd in command in the Dem caucus for a committed socialist (even though she has a weak understanding of what being a socialist is ).

It is a done deal . Don't lose any sleep . He will be a fine Associate Justice .

He better be! The notorious RBG will kick his a$$ in the cloak room.

and just think of all the fun you'll have opposing Trump's appointment to replace Kavanaugh on the DC circus .

“We are elected as politicians and we do at times attack each other from a partisan perspective,I don’t think a sitting judge should have come at us with quite that tone.” Chris Coons
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"I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump...[It's]time for us to move to New Zealand...[Trump is a] faker...He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego."
--Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 7/14/16

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/us/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-no-fan-of-donald-trump-critiques-latest-term.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FGinsburg% 2C%20Ruth%20Bader&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=1


https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-faker/

I have to give the repubs credit for hanging tough on this one. They usually tuck their tails between their legs and run for the hills, but they stayed united and did the right thing. Now I admit that it's bad having a SC justice that actually made a reference to flatulence in his HS yearbook, as the dems pointed out in their brilliant examination of him, but maybe we can make the best of it.

“We are elected as politicians and we do at times attack each other from a partisan perspective,I don’t think a sitting judge should have come at us with quite that tone.” Chris Coons
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"I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump...[It's]time for us to move to New Zealand...[Trump is a] faker...He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego."
--Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 7/14/16

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/us/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-no-fan-of-donald-trump-critiques-latest-term.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FGinsburg% 2C%20Ruth%20Bader&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=1


https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-faker/

Please don't inflict this on Kiwi, they have enough weird politics already an in any case isn't it time for the borking to be over

Hello again:

I've been before judges. Never, absolutely NEVER, did I think my case rested on his politics. Those days are over. The one institution that was DEVOID of politics, is now damaged goods..

Kavanaugh is IN.. Let's talk about what's next.

excon

Please don't inflict this on Kiwi, they have enough weird politics already an in any case isn't it time for the borking to be over

NO! We just got started!

I've been before judges. Never, absolutely NEVER, did I think my case rested on his politics.

I would think that anyone paying attention to SCOTUS the past fifty years knows that politics has entered heavily into their decision making.

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The never ending stream of hate speech directed at Judge Kavanaugh is really stunning. If we ask, "What is he guilty of?" there is no answer other than he is guilty of being a conservative.

Oh Lighten up! As much as I mistrust him I don't hate him or the dufus. That doesn't mean I cannot express my opinion about their character or performance.

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Yet another example of liberal "tolerance". "Stephen Colbert 'Late Show' writer: 'I'm just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh's life'
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/stephen-colbert-late-show-writer-im-just-glad-we-ruined-brett-kavanaughs-life

Especially if I think it's true!

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Thankfully, we do not find a person guilty on the basis of what you or anyone else "thinks" is true.

And we don't dismiss a serious allegation without a real investigation. Oh you called that a real honest investigation? Not even close. More will be revealed later.

Tal, time to move on, Kavanaugh has been investigated up the wahzoo, don't you think that if there was any real evidence it would have been uncovered. It is a she says, he says situation, often in such cases evidence is lacking, but remember the Biblical standard is two or three "witnesses" so why should he be subject to anything less

And we don't dismiss a serious allegation without a real investigation. Oh you called that a real honest investigation? Not even close. More will be revealed later.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any guilt on the part of BK. This never ending call for a never ending investigation begins to wear thin after a time. To call for more investigation, you would think you would have something more to go on than flatulence in a yearbook. The lady's story doesn't have support. Time to just accept it and move on.

You held your nose and got what you want, so be happy, but don't tell the rest of us what to do about it. FAIR?

In the meantime, Mr. Trump has managed to get the lowest unemployment rate in nearly fifty years. "The unemployment rate fell two-tenths of a percentage point to 3.7 percent, the lowest since December 1969 and one-tenth of a percentage point below expectations." I think we should all wake up every morning and be thankful Hillary Clinton is NOT the president of the United States. So yes, I'm happy about that as well as getting a solid conservative (I hope) on the Supreme Court. I think you will be happy to know that I'm actually only holding about half of my nose now. He is 2 for 3 on my wish list. He's appointed constitutionalists on the Supreme court and seen a upsurge in the economy.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any guilt on the part of BK. This never ending call for a never ending investigation begins to wear thin after a time. To call for more investigation, you would think you would have something more to go on than flatulence in a yearbook. The lady's story doesn't have support. Time to just accept it and move on.

That's not what Tal said. You don't need evidence to investigate. You need suspicion. And he didn't call for a "never-ending" investigation - those are your words. WH counsel McGhan restricted the FBI so that its investigation came to nothing. It's more than the "lady's story" - MUCH more which has been reported all over the world in every possible media. Apparently, you missed it.

In the meantime, Mr. Trump has managed to get the lowest unemployment rate in nearly fifty years. We should all wake up every morning and be thankful Hillary Clinton is NOT the president of the United States.[Trump] is 2 for 3 on my wish list. He's appointed constitutionalists on the Supreme court and seen a upsurge in the economy.


Trump has little or nothing to do with the economy. He is deregulating like a madman without the slightest concern for the American citizen - it's all about corporate profits. The stock market, built on greed, reflects that lack of concern with health or clean water or pick your poison.

He's clueless about trade and tariffs. His chief adviser in this area, Gary Cohn, walked out on him when he realized Trump was abysmally ignorant about tariffs.

After the financial crash during the Republican Bush administraton, Obama did everything possible to save the economy while your Republicans opposed him at every juncture. Obama's strategy worked. Trump now claims the Obama success is his.

As usual, you can't let a moment go by without trashing Hillary Clinton who has been out of the picture for almost two years now but you people simply can't let go of your obsession with her.

Your Kavanaugh "constitutionalist" is a right-wing fanatic to thousands of legal professionals country-wide including a previous SC Justice and 2400 law professors. If there was any doubt, one has only to watch his meltdown at the Senate hearing before God and everybody, and for which he tried to walk back the next day with an op-ed in the WSJ.

As a self-proclaimed Christian and follower of Christ, you should know better than to be supporting the likes of Trump and his cohorts - the most mean-spirited bunch ever to surround a president.

That's not what Tal said. You don't need evidence to investigate. You need suspicion. And he didn't call for a "never-ending" investigation - those are your words. WH counsel McGhan restricted the FBI so that its investigation came to nothing. It's more than the "lady's story" - MUCH more which has been reported all over the world in every possible media. Apparently, you missed it.

1. I didn't suggest that Tal said that.
2. The dems called for an FBI investigation. They got one. Now they are still complaining. Truthfully, they just don't want to accept that there is nothing to be found.
3. Much more has been reported? OK. What was it? What has been reported that directly bears on the alleged incident at a party? I don't mean flatulence and a silly debate about drinking to excess versus staggering around.
4. Make sure you mention the statements from dozens of professional women who worked with Kavanaugh and dozens of other former classmates who state that they found him to be an honorable man. Also be sure to mention the two women he dated in college who both said he always behaved honorably towards them. I just mention that in case you managed to ignore that avalanche of evidence. Also be sure to mention the denials by the three witnesses named by Dr. Ford who contradicted her version of the story. I know you'll want to mention all of that since you surely did not miss any of it.

As to your remarks about Mr. Trump, I will only restate the obvious. We have the lowest unemployment in 50 years. If he is clueless, then we need a lot more clueless people.

You completely misrepresent the views of the 2400 law professors who said nothing about him being "a right wing fanatic". Their opposition centered around judicial temperament, not political views. I thought his response to the Senate and the outlandish, irresponsible actions of the dems was warranted. Any man subjected to the vicious attacks he was subjected to really should be prepared to honestly and aggressively defend himself.

As a Christian, I find a number of areas with Mr. Trump with which I disagree. I have not set him up on a pedestal and practically worshiped him as so many liberals did, and continue to do, with Mr. Obama. I do appreciate, however, the places where he has performed well. For a peacetime economy to be performing this well is really extraordinary.

Above all else I abhor the hypocrisy of democrats who have a fit about the tiny slivers of evidence with Kavanaugh, and yet completely ignore people like Cory Booker, Bill Clinton, and Keith Ellison, all of whom have a their own sets of female accusers and very credible evidence to point towards their guilt. You want to show everyone you sincerely support the many women who have been abused? Then clean up your own house and stop pretending to be something that you are not.

Hello again,

Look.. You can't find corroboration if you don't LOOK for corroboration.. Trump rigged, I mean limited the investigation to 10 people.. If you wanna FIND out stuff, that's NOT how you conduct an investigation.. But, if you're AFRAID of what you might find, you LIMIT it..

Can Ford SUE Kavanaugh?? I think she can. Certainly, if she does, her attorneys won't be shackled by Trump, and she might find all sorts of corroboration..

excon

"We haven't found any evidence, and we have no real reason to believe we will find any evidence, but we really want to find evidence, so we'll just continue to look forever until we find some. After all, the man did talk about flatulence, and he drank beer in high school, so it just naturally follows that he is a sex predator. And the fact that we hate Mr. Trump and want a liberal SCOTUS of course have nothing to do with our views."

As to Dr. Ford suing, good luck with that one. She would need something the senate dems seemed to forget about, a pesky little something called "evidence". She has none, and nor does she have a really believable story. I hope the lady is able to get some relief from whatever seems to be disturbing her, but I don't think Kavanaugh did anything to her and there is certainly no evidence to lead a person to believe that.

There was no evidence against Cosby, Weinstein, Ailes, Wynn, or the rest, just a bunch of stories and allegations. A boof ain't about flatulence, and a name followed by alumnus ain't about friends and devils triangle is surely never been a quarters game. You just took his word for it instead of looking it up yourself when he said it like everybody else.

He LIED, and so did you because to believe the dufus and Kavanaugh one would have to hold his nose with both hands, especially if you deem the WH GOP controlled so called investigation as credible. Come clean or go home!

Back to the FUNNIES!

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Sorry but you seem confused and stuck. Need help with that? Let go of your nose and breath. You are cutting off the oxygen to your brain and cannot see with your eyes closed so tightly. Try it and feel better.

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The worse part about being lied to is believing those lies.

There was no evidence against Cosby, Weinstein, Ailes, Wynn

Good grief. You just proved that you have not bothered to look up any information on the subject. The level of detail in the woman's accusation against Cosby, for instance, is probably fifty times greater than what Dr. Ford provided. There is no question but that they had a sexual encounter. Cosby admits to that. The question was about consent. Not even close to Dr. Ford's situation. "No evidence"??? Wow. What a statement.


A boof ain't about flatulence, and a name followed by alumnus ain't about friends and devils triangle is surely never been a quarters game. You just took his word for it instead of looking it up yourself when he said it like everybody else.

I have heard several people say they understood the terms to mean just what he said they meant. You are actually just taking your own word for it. If you take even two minutes and look on the web, you will find "boof" has a number of varied meanings. Of course, the only thing that matters is what did it mean 36 years ago in BK's circle of friends. Same thing is true of "devil's triangle". It has a variety of meanings, one of which is a drinking game.

As usual, you are allowing your political views, and your hatred of all things Trump, to affect your judgement.

How do you hold your nose and cover your eyes at the same time? Oh wait, it can be done!


https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.NNmvu2zvwFLW87ASPqc7LQHaJ4&w=151&h=190&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7

Sorry I doubted you....8)

One thing I have learned in discussing these things. When one side runs out of facts, they resort to personal attacks. Oh well. No evidence still equals no evidence. Keep waiting on you guys to come up with something more that flatulence and the testimony of a poor woman who basically can't remember an awful lot of important details. It is disappointing that so many people are content to destroy a man's reputation because they just sort of, kind of think that, you know, the dude's guilty. And once again it becomes apparent. A hatred of all things Trump will warp an otherwise sensible person's thinking.

Geez guy lighten up! Find some funny cartoons so we can LAUGH at each other! Actually not only do I not hate you, the dufus, or BK, but I can take him and Ford at their words, (along with Ford's husband, therapist, and a lie detector test), and deem the need for a comprehensive investigation be done. Where we differ of course is comprehensive investigations, based on the number and scope, and which no where is your report does there include the named people above, verily all you have are denials from the accused, and testimonials from classmates who have no knowledge of this incident, and your own denials of his words at his hearing concerning his lecherous and normal 17 year old antics.

In addition while his buddy denies the incident he writes books of their school day antics, so to say there is NO evidence is a bit premature, and incomplete, and by my count there are at least 3 accounts that she has named that are solid probable cause against his denial and his buddy. You do not have a report from the chosen prosecutor Rachel Mitchel as to the veracity of BK's own testimony. A bit one sided by any standard.

So as more is revealed, lets have a great time! No beer, drugs or bad language, just good clean adult fun. You could stand it, because you certainly don't sound like a guy who has gotten what he wants. You sound as though you lost your best friend and the world is against you.

If you take even two minutes and look on the web, you will find "boof" has a number of varied meanings. Of course, the only thing that matters is what did it mean 36 years ago in BK's circle of friends. Same thing is true of "devil's triangle". It has a variety of meanings, one of which is a drinking game.
I know what the teen guys in my generation (and my sons as teens) meant by those words, and they weren't cutesy, innocent meanings.

If you need a chuckle, read all the entries here:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Devils%20Triangle

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/09/29/definition-of-devils-triangle-changed-on-wikipedia-to-make-kavanaughs-answer/



I did not know what to make of these hearings. I found both witnesses to be highly compelling. I am glad that there is more time for investigation but I doubt that a week will offer much of an opportunity for meaningful inquiries. While it may not uncover anything new, it will offer cover to a handle full of uncommitted Senators who want to vote for Kavanaugh to avoid political backlash while maintaining that they did so only after demanding an investigation.

In addition while his buddy denies the incident he writes books of their school day antics, so to say there is NO evidence is a bit premature, and incomplete, and by my count there are at least 3 accounts that she has named that are solid probable cause against his denial and his buddy. You do not have a report from the chosen prosecutor Rachel Mitchel as to the veracity of BK's own testimony. A bit one sided by any standard.

You know, if you are going to continue down this road of evidence, at some point you have to actually come up with some. We have heard NOTHING from her therapist and don't even have the complete notes. Her husband knows... what she told him thirty years later. Her former boyfriend (or whatever he was) contradicts her statements in a major way. Her three named witnesses do not support her story. Unless I want to believe a story that rivals many modern novels, I can't believe Swetnick's wild tale. I mean at some point you have to be able to actually point to something solid. The birthers had more evidence than this.

Yes, I do take this discussion seriously. I take our country seriously, as I know you do as well. I think this business of destroying a man's reputation for the sake of the feminist cause is sleazy and despicable. I despise this sort of thing. It honestly surprises me that anyone would side with such a course of action purely on the basis of politics.

Wondergirl, I get your point, but it doesn't matter what the word means now. It matters what it meant thirty six years ago. Honestly, I had never heard the word before, and I do not live a sheltered life. Try being a public school administrator for twenty five years and you'll see what I mean.

Wondergirl, I get your point, but it doesn't matter what the word means now. It matters what it meant thirty six years ago. Honestly, I had never heard the word before, and I do not live a sheltered life. Try being a public school administrator for twenty five years and you'll see what I mean.
I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about what those words meant in the '60s, '70s, and '80s. I'm older than you and have been around the block a few times -- went to college, grad school, taught school, my older son is 48, am a psychotherapist, and a retired librarian.

I think this business of destroying a man's reputation for the sake of the feminist cause is sleazy and despicable

Hello j:

I dunno.. I see some women who made a complaint.. You see a left wing plot..

excon

I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about what those words meant in the '60s, '70s, and '80s. I'm older than you and have been around the block a few times -- went to college, grad school, taught school, my older son is 48, am a psychotherapist, and a retired librarian.

I graduated high school in 71, got a Master's degree, and spent two years in Dallas in Bible College. I have never heard that word, much less have some knowledge of what it means. I guess it might just be a northern thing. At any rate, just supposing you are right and BK had your understanding of the word, then you have him dead to rights for being... a high school student. Yes, you will say he lied under oath. Well, he did if his understanding was your understanding. That will likely never be settled, but is it worth all this mess?

Yes, you will say he lied under oath. Well, he did if his understanding was your understanding. That will likely never be settled, but is it worth all this mess?
Yes, it is. He lied under oath. He doubled down to tell the committee what a wonderful student he had been.

What do his lying and whitewash efforts say about his now being a Supreme? Plus his dancing double-time when very unprofessionally answering questions, along with his two-year-old's version of a meltdown, don't give me any confidence in his future performance on the SC.

Yes, it is. He lied under oath. He doubled down to tell the committee what a wonderful student he had been.

What did he lie about under oath?


Plus his dancing double-time when very unprofessionally answering questions, along with his two-year-old's version of a meltdown, don't give me any confidence in his future performance on the SC.

All opinion. Still short on evidence.

What did he lie about under oath?
Hmmmm, where should I begin....


All opinion. Still short on evidence.
Apparently, you didn't watch his performance.

Hmmmm, where should I begin....

Hmm. Just another tactic of the left. Make an accusation, but then you can provide no evidence. And there is no question but that he was a good student. Now that I think of it, you'd make a good democrat senator.


Apparently, you didn't watch his performance.

I did watch. I thought he was more restrained than I would have been, considering what the shameless democrats put him and his family through. He was VERY restrained, and even generous, in his remarks on Dr. Ford. The part that bothered me the most was the number of times that democratic senators would ask him a question and then interrupt his answer, not allowing him to finish. I guess that is not considered to be "unprofessional" by you. Just another example of "I hate Trump, so Kavanaugh must be guilty." Trump derangement syndrome.

You really need to get over this victim mentality you project on this long time political operative. Expecting no opposition, is so naïve and worse expecting civility in the age of the dufus is worse. You knew what you were getting when you elected him, and that's the price you pay. Now all this need for evidence is as crap as the dufus's crappy rigged investigation. It's obviously okay to lie, cheat, and steal as long as you puff up and blast the opposition into compliance with the most vile uncivil performance you can muster.

Nope the dufus has set the tone and the sycophants go along, but pretty INSANE to think EVERYBODY else will just go along with a whimper. Doesn't work that way, so as you guys wield the power at least stop crying how unfair we are. Bottom line, we don't need any evidence to oppose the dufus or whatever he does, because what good is evidence since you will deny it any way? You have had PLENTY already of the bad behavior of your brand of governance, but just hold your nose.

What, you're tired of holding your nose or something? Too bad because it gets worse. Yeah your frat boy looks like he really is suffering since he is a justice on the SCOTUS now, just like he and you wanted. So stop whining about the price of your victory and be happy you got it while it lasts.

Now all this need for evidence is as crap as the dufus's crappy rigged investigation.
Well, you said it. A man who has no interest in justice has no need for evidence. Again, your hatred of Trump has warped your thinking. Trump derangement syndrome. Sad to see. Try and get some help with that.


What, you're tired of holding your nose or something?

Actually, with unemployment at a fifty year low and conservative justices who actually believe in constitutional law being seated on SCOTUS, I am starting to breathe easier. I just remind myself everyday that the most immoral and incompetent person to run for the presidency in decades did NOT win. That's always makes me smile.

I will agree that Trump needs to tone down the rhetoric. He has a big mouth. But for you to suggest that he is the sole source of the vitriol being spread about is just nonsense.

Hmm. Just another tactic of the left. Make an accusation, but then you can provide no evidence. And there is no question but that he was a good student. Now that I think of it, you'd make a good democrat senator.
I didn't have time to list all the lies. I will post the list today.

Btw, I'm a lifelong Republican who is disgusted by what my party has become.


The part that bothered me the most was the number of times that democratic senators would ask him a question and then interrupt his answer, not allowing him to finish.
You must have dozed off when he made all his smart-aleck remarks, threw questions back into the questioners' faces, and generally lacked in judicial temperament and behavior.

Well, you said it. A man who has no interest in justice has no need for evidence. Again, your hatred of Trump has warped your thinking. Trump derangement syndrome. Sad to see. Try and get some help with that.

What evidence do you have he didn't do as alleged, besides speculation testimonials, reviews, and of course his denials. Sure you can make this about my hate for the dufus which I don't have personally, but I do hate lying, cheating, and bullying. I cannot hold my nose to that.


Actually, with unemployment at a fifty year low and conservative justices who actually believe in constitutional law being seated on SCOTUS, I am starting to breathe easier. I just remind myself everyday that the most immoral and incompetent person to run for the presidency in decades did NOT win. That's always makes me smile.

Great economy, but you would be a liar to deny the solid foundation for it wasn't laid out by Obama and delivered to the next prez in great shape and a bow on top. I give Slick Mitch much credit for ignoring Garland and saving that seat for the dufus, he gambled and won AND got tax cuts though not only failed to repeal and replace Obamacare, but no infrastructure bill either. Good thing some states are doing what they can on the next level of governance.


I will agree that Trump needs to tone down the rhetoric. He has a big mouth. But for you to suggest that he is the sole source of the vitriol being spread about is just nonsense.

The buck starts at the top, though obviously you guys LOVE his vitriol and bombast, but only a loony thinks they can dish it out and not get it back. The latest example of this was his blasting Ford and the left wing at the Kavanaugh press conference Tuesday. Too much to ask to reconcile and take his victory lap? Just more lies and BS! Hope you get help for that.

The dufus is always in campaign mode selling his BS, to his base, so talk to him about vitriol why can't you. Face it, YOU will ALWAYS be holding your nose and covering your eyes as long as the dufus and his sycophants are governing. That's the price you pay bud, so take my advice and don't let go.

What evidence do you have he didn't do as alleged, besides speculation testimonials, reviews, and of course his denials.

You don't know how the American system of justice works. A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You have it the other way around. With that awful approach, we could accuse you of murder and then say that it's up to you to prove you did not do it. What?? Besides, Dr. Ford's story just doesn't add up. Way too many holes. So once again, Trump derangement syndrome shows itself.

Supporters of Obama always want to give him credit for everything. He had eight years. Trump, in less than two years, is blowing his doors off with the economy. The only thing I give Mr. Obama credit for is having the worst economic recovery from a recession in over a hundred years.

Want to see examples of vitriol? Look at your own posts. You are far worse than Trump ever has been. You want civility? Let it start at your own doormat first. As you aptly put it, "Only a loony thinks they can dish it out and not get it back." Do you believe your own philosophy?

You don't know how the American system of justice works. A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You have it the other way around. With that awful approach, we could accuse you of murder and then say that it's up to you to prove you did not do it. What?? Besides, Dr. Ford's story just doesn't add up. Way too many holes. So once again, Trump derangement syndrome shows itself.

You obviously don't know the American justice system as the presumption of innocents doesn't even apply to the political system. The rules of engagement and discourse are vastly different and almost anything goes especially smears and mudslinging and all kinds of trash talking that the dufus has shown to be so good at. Maybe it's you that are touched by this derangement syndrome if you can hold your nose and dismiss the holes in in your own position, but so easily point out the holes in the positions of others.

Actually that's not a syndrome but pure hypocrisy.


Supporters of Obama always want to give him credit for everything. He had eight years. Trump, in less than two years, is blowing his doors off with the economy. The only thing I give Mr. Obama credit for is having the worst economic recovery from a recession in over a hundred years.

He can thank you guys for 6 years of obstruction after you took power, but again he deserves credit anyway. You're entitled to your opinion though, but your facts always seem to be biased.


Want to see examples of vitriol? Look at your own posts. You are far worse than Trump ever has been. You want civility? Let it start at your own doormat first. As you aptly put it, "Only a loony thinks they can dish it out and not get it back." Do you believe your own philosophy?

I'm far worse than the dufus? I don't think so, but I can see where you would think I'm uncivil, so I dare you to stop holding your nose and speak truth to power. That's more in line with my philosophy of never having to hold your nose and accept somebody's BS. If that makes me loony, so what? If you want to dish it back... COOL!

No. I won't dish it back. Unlike you, I actually believe in the philosophy you stated.


if you can hold your nose and dismiss the holes in in your own position.


That's what I keep trying to get you guys to show me, the holes in my position, also known as evidence. You don't do it because you don't have any.


The rules of engagement and discourse are vastly different and almost anything goes especially smears and mudslinging and all kinds of trash talking .

Dear Lord I hope we have not sunk to such a pathetically low and immoral situation as that. Maybe you are happy with that, but many of us are not. You are plainly OK with attempting to destroy a man's career and reputation with "smears and mudslinging and all kinds of trash talking." Well, OK. That's on you, but don't try to act like the soul of honesty and charity as regards Dr. Ford. Liberals don't care about her, they are only using her for "smears and mudslinging". When you have no evidence, then that's what you have to do, at least in their minds.

Kavanaugh hired his clerks .They are all women .
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No. I won't dish it back. Unlike you, I actually believe in the philosophy you stated.

You mean standing up to bullies, liars, and cheaters? Without holding your NOSE? Words and actions don't match.


That's what I keep trying to get you guys to show me, the holes in my position, also known as evidence. You don't do it because you don't have any.

Neither do you. That's not what this is about, you are just stubborn, or STUCK.


Dear Lord I hope we have not sunk to such a pathetically low and immoral situation as that. Maybe you are happy with that, but many of us are not. You are plainly OK with attempting to destroy a man's career and reputation with "smears and mudslinging and all kinds of trash talking." Well, OK. That's on you, but don't try to act like to soul of charity as regards Dr. Ford. Liberals don't care about her, they are only using her for "smears and mudslinging". When you have no evidence, then that's what you have to do, at least in their minds.

Requiring she have evidence to tell her truth was a disgusting display of callous disregard. Saying she was credible but WRONG or CONFUSED was a blatant act of LYING since all you did about it was RIG the investigation by truncating it's scope. Hey you got over, with a tissue to cover your own a$$, and continue to defend the BS!

Like the dufus you still keep coming back by repeating crap. Or is it you are GLOATING? Wouldn't put that past you either.

Requiring she have evidence to tell her truth was a disgusting display of callous disregard. Saying she was credible but WRONG or CONFUSED was a blatant act of LYING since all you did about it was RIG the investigation by truncating it's scope. Hey you got over, with a tissue to cover your own a$$, and continue to defend the BS!

Like the dufus you still keep coming back by repeating crap. Or is it you are GLOATING? Wouldn't put that past you either.

More vitriol. Wow. You are an angry man who has lost his sense of civility. Shame. Calm down a little.

As for Dr. Ford, if you are going to make accusations, you have to have evidence to back them up. You don't have to have evidence to make an accusation, but you do need it if you want to be believed. She has none. It's just that simple. I said she was credible?? No, that was you. She has very little credibility because that would require (get ready for this) EVIDENCE! She has none, and neither do you. Maybe that's why you're so angry, because anger is the only thing you have left. No evidence. No facts. No logic. Nothing.

Hulk smash repubs!!

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Ha! I rest my case.

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Got that right

update ;Brett Kavanaugh joined the court's four liberal jurists and Chief Justice Roberts in turning away a petition from Kansas and Louisiana seeking a ban on abortion providers . So much for the unfounded charges that he was going to overrule Roe . So much for the idea that the court was going to be packed with doctrinaire conservatives .

Not the first time SCOTUS punted the ball back to the lower courts and decided not to hear the case. Nor will it be the last. Maybe they are waiting for a better case, or a better time, but whatever the case, it's too soon to holler one way or another. The jury is still out! (PUN)

Now that Virginia's democratic Lt. Gov. Fairfax is the target of sexual abuse allegations, it will be interesting to see if all of you who called for Kavanaugh's head on a platter will do likewise with Fairfax.

I say investigate, just like I said with Kavanaugh. What say you?

Actually, with Kavanaugh you said to believe the accuser above all else. But yeah, I would say investigate. And at least you are willing to say that much. That makes you the rarest of rare sightings... a dem who wants to see Fairfax investigated.

I actually heard and saw Ms. Ford's testimony, I still found her exceedingly credible. I have no such observations of the Fairfax accuser at this time. She deserves to be heard. The state of Virginia seems to be in a chaotic mess at the moment.

If you think Ford's vague and hazy memory was "exceedingly credible", then your head will explode if you read this woman's account. Unlike Ford, the details are in abundance. Fairfax does not deny the encounter, but claims it was consensual. But if I had to guess right now, I would say it will be out of the news within a week. Fairfax is a liberal dem, so he will get different treatment.

Not so sure about that, as dems ZERO tolerance has already claimed liberal dems. Franken in Minnesota comes to mind. There's also the black face pranks pulled by the Gov and AG of Virginia may come into play.

We'll see.

Fairfax faces possible impeachment over his sexual assault allegations from the Virginia legislature. He is calling for an investigation and won't resign. Wonder if repubs will give him the same considerations as they did Kavanaugh.

No evidence, just allegations which he denies. So much for the question of will dems serve his head on a platter like they did Kavanaugh. In this case though it won't just be dems since no way would repubs defend a dem right?

aint going to happen because all the scenarios leads to a Republican takover of the executive .The Dems will sacrifice if a Dem assumes the position. But as we see in Va. the Dems will tough it out in sex assault and racism charges if the alternative is to lose the position to a Republican.

Here is what I don't understand on these accusations. If these two women have credible stories about what was basically rape, then why would Fairfax be impeached? Why wouldn't the justice system of whatever state this happened in bring charges against him? If the stories are true, then he is a criminal. It would not be a political issue but a criminal one.

As to the issue of credibility, the first accusation against Fairfax is filled with details and Fairfax admitted it happened, but claimed it was consensual. It's a completely different case from Ford's hazy and inaccurate recollections about Kavanaugh.

Will be interesting to see if the senate dems forcefully support these women's accusations against Fairfax the same way they did Ford's. So far they decidedly have not.

Actually dems have already come out for the accusers credibility, and the Virginia legislature want Fairfax to handle his business out of office, as it is a possible criminal case. Of course repubs are salivating at a chance to take over Virginia without an election, so it remains to be seen if Northam can survive, or the AG, who called for the Gov to resign, and then admitted he did the same thing.

Actually dems have already come out for the accusers credibility, and the Virginia legislature want Fairfax to handle his business out of office, as it is a possible criminal case. Of course repubs are salivating at a chance to take over Virginia without an election, so it remains to be seen if Northam can survive, or the AG, who called for the Gov to resign, and then admitted he did the same thing.

Fairfax deserves his day in court and is innocent until proven guilty. We don't conduct justice in this country by reading an accuser's statement and saying, "Gosh, that sure does sound credible, so he is bound to be guilty." Man I'm glad that's not how we do things.

Before you make the dems sound too holy, which of the national dems have called for his resignation in the same way they did Kavanaugh?

wonder if the Dems will go after Fairfax the same way Republicans threw Roy Moore under the bus.

Good question, though it is true to some extent that Moore threw himself under the bus, but even at that, he would have been another republican vote which is, I imagine, your point.

yes if the Dems knew they would retain the seats, then all 3 of the pols in hot water in Va would already be gone.

So much is just plain politics. Nothing to do with ethics. I think Fairfax should have his day in court, and I don't agree with jumping to judgement with him anymore than I did with Kavanaugh.

The real amazement to me is Northam. It's fine to advocate for infanticide, but if a 35 year old pic of someone in black face and a KKK robe shows up from a yearbook, then it's time to kick him out. What a strange set of values that represents.

I find that strange myself JL, as strange as his public reactions and statement since it was revealed. It's no secret that those frat boys back in the day were wild and weird, present politics notwithstanding, but I admire your consistency, though we often disagree. It's all good if not baffling at times.

One thing we know is bad behavior is bipartisan and bears closer scrutiny of all our politicians.

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They should recall that sweater, but only because it is unspeakably ugly. Who would ever wear such a thing?

Companies like Gucci and Prada (which is also in pc hot water ) have been trend setters for years . But in the brave new world the radical fringe has become the mainstream and it appears the radical Dem candidates can't keep up with the bases move to the bizarre Even Cory Booker and Kamala Harris are under heat by the thought police. Did you hear that Harris had to defend the fact that she married a white man ????

They should recall that sweater, but only because it is unspeakably ugly. Who would ever wear such a thing?

They should have made it full face

I actually thought it was a joke when I first saw it. Come to think of it, I still tend to think it's a joke.

I actually thought it was a joke when I first saw it. Come to think of it, I still tend to think it's a joke.

Well of course it is but there are some people who think it is fashion just because it has a name on it

The Democratic Party must ask itself if it’s willing to sacrifice Virginia in 2020 on the altar of Ralph Northam.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51960876_10155771053872471_8313222252984270848_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=cb08d551935f3c38cf9a293308ff89fd&oe=5D22D9DD

Wow. Tough one. Should have put the Duke Lacrosse accuser's in there as well.

did you see where Al Sharpton was chiding Smollett and said he should face maximum penalty ? oh the irony !

Liars, cheaters, and connivers should be held accountable. Unfortunately they make it bad for REAL victims to be taken seriously. A bigger irony though is the dufus tweet storm is conspicuously silent about the coast guard officer arrested as a terrorist. A self avowed white supremacist stashing guns and drugs for his big attack on dufus critics.

I say give him the death penalty

Here is the difference, Tal. You did not see conservatives leaping to the defense of the Coast Guard officer simply because he was a white conservative. In the case of Smollet however, every liberal in America immediately got on board with him. Same was true regarding the Covington County kids and Dr. Ford. They did not wait to see what the evidence brought forward. Their support was motivated by pure politics and is nauseating in that regard.

Sharpton's comment is especially interesting considering his support, years ago, of Tawana Brawley and her accusations, false as it turned out, of serious crimes committed against her by a white officer. I wonder if he believes he has any culpability in that case?

They were supposed to leap to the defense of a victim, and have since turned on him after the facts came to light just as Sharpton did decades ago. Got enough facts to condemn the terrorist yet? If I were a judge, or prosecuter, or Empire executive I would have Smollett tested for mental defect and competency. What he did was insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZ_1R_hwro

I hate bullies!

They were supposed to leap to the defense of a victim, Well, they didn't leap to the defense of the Covington kids when it became plain they were victims of the insane national media. They did not leap to the defense of the Duke lacrosse team when they were treated disgracefully and then proven to be innocent, They likewise did not leap to the defense of the policeman in Ferguson who was treated shamefully and was the victim of Michael Brown.


and have since turned on him after the facts came to light just as Sharpton did decades ago. What??


Got enough facts to condemn the terrorist yet? He is plainly guilty.


If I were a judge, or prosecuter, or Empire executive I would have Smollett tested for mental defect and competency. What he did was insane. Maybe.

I hate bullies!

With you there Tal

It's being reported that the bully who assaulted the student at Berkley has been arrested and will be prosecuted.

other bogus hate crimes allegations in the Trump era where the initial presumption was that it was committed by Trumpsters ,or white supremists :



Hopewell Baptist Church ;graffiti 'Vote Trump' ,and arson .Later revealed that the crime was committed by Andrew McClinton,an African-American member of the church.

“Heil Trump” and ”F-g Church” were spray-painted on St. David’s Episcopal Church in Indiana after the election. It was the gay organ player for the chuch who did it.


Yasmin Seweid, told police that three Trump supporters harassed her and tried to steal her hajib on a NYC subway.Two weeks later when Seweid admitted she made the whole thing up because she’d been out late drinking with friends and was afraid her strict Muslim Egyptian father would be angry.

Eastern Michigan University was vandalized by graffiti that said, “leave n—-s” and “KKK.” A former student, African-American Eddie Curlin,was eventually caught.

More than 2,000 bomb threats to Jewish institutions, including the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, were made in the first three months of 2017. The assumption was that a white supremist was involved . The perp caught was
a Jewish Israeli-American named Michael Ron David Kadar. Kadar had been rejected from the Israeli Defense Forces over mental health issues .
8 of the threats came from Juan Thompson ,and African-American journalist who was trying to frame a women he broke up with. He had previously been fired from The Intercept for making up sources and stories. In response to his firing, he blamed the “white New York media” and claimed his editors were racist.





5 black candidates of the Air Force Academy Preparatory School were bombarded with hate speech messages on a message board . Turns out it was done by other black cadets .


African-American Adwoa Lewis said four teens yelled “Trump 2016!,” told her she didn’t belong here and slashed her tires in September 2018, leaving a note that read “Go Home.” She later admitted to making the story up and putting the note on her car.


Union Temple in Brooklyn was defaced with
“Die Jew Rats” and “Jew Better Be Ready” .Again the supposition was that the perp was a white supremist. The perp was actually
Gay African-American James Polite, who had previously interned for City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and was raised by Jewish foster parents. He was charged for hate crimes for the graffiti and setting fires at four other Jewish temples and schools. But friends and advocates say bigotry isn’t to blame; Polite is bipolar and was convinced that the FBI and CIA had taken over the city’s homeless shelter system.


More than 100 students marched to demand “safe spaces” after “KKK,” swastikas and the last names of four black and Latino students were scrawled in a bathroom stall at Goucher College near Baltimore in November 2018. But it turned out one of those graffiti’d names, Flynn Arthur, 21, was the person responsible. The biracial lacrosse player explained to cops that “he had been drinking and just did something dumb.”

7-year-old African-American girl, Jazmine Barnes, was killed in a drive by shooting .Witnesses said a white man in a pickup truck was nearby. “We’ve got to call it what it is. Black people are being targeted in this country,” said activist Deric Muhammad. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee insisted, “Do not be afraid to call this what it seems to be — a hate crime,” But the investigation led to the arrest of two African-Americans, Eric Black Jr. and Larry D. Woodruffe, who police believe shot into Barnes’ car in a case of mistaken identity.


Three Savannah churches and a civil rights museum were vandalized, raising the specter of a hate crime. But it was an African-American, David Smith III, who had thrown bricks through the doors.

Kind of seems like a trend??

The prevailing right wing trend is taking many anecdotes and making an assumption while ignoring the 10x more opposite stories of REAL victims of hate and bigotry. The Smollett case is a perfect example of one nut gaming the system making it hard on the real victims to be believed.

Neither of you has commented on the victims of the Acosta deal that let the rich old pedophile and his rich buddies abuse women and girls for decades. Naw you rather look up the nuts and dismiss the real people to justify more abuse of people other than yourselves. Feeding fear, hatred and bigotry is the game of connivers which you have every right to play, as long as you acknowledge the consequences of such bad behavior.

I dismiss the premise of those trends as faulty incomplete data that skews the bigger picture.

seriously you want us to go after Acosta and not Epstein ...or Bubba and Menendez ,or the many people on Epstein's guest list who were frequent guests to his island of underaged sex debauchery ? Trump may be included too . Take them all down if the charges are true .

10x more opposite stories of REAL victims of hate and bigotry.

Let's hear them. List them.

another one :

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/02/25/jackson-hate-crime-arson-joly/2978003002/

all your fears
about Kavanaugh
were for nothing
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/07/supreme-court-bromance-john-roberts-brett-kavanaugh-tie-up-court/3342377002/?fbclid=IwAR0agV1y_sii541eDAQ-Tt-rVctBJ8e7Ufk_ip5g5cNbzz2lr3E1KpGhQTQ

Like they say in baseball... small sample size.

not really . This goes back to Ike . Earl Warren and William Brennan were both Ike pick and became lib justices . Nixon appointed Harry Blackmond ,one of the most liberal justices ever .He also picked Warren Burger . Reagan picked Kennedy and O'Conner ,both of whom took liberal positions on many issues . GHW Bush selected David Souter who became a consistent voted for liberal causes even as he was sold as a strict constructionist . Roberts has been pretty much a reliable lib vote since he affirmed the constitutionality of Obamacare . Meanwhile ,in every case since FDR that a Dem selected a Justice to SCOTUS ,they have been reliable liberal votes.

Wonder why that is?

because it is more important for them to be accepted into the DC social circuit than to stick to their principles .

You implying the DC social circuit is liberal and conservatives ain't welcome? Why can't they schmooze with their own? Won't the rich wingers notice?

because it is more important for them to be accepted into the DC social circuit than to stick to their principles .

I hope you are wrong, but I imagine you are correct.

The only principle a judge should apply is the law no matter the personal stuff.