...and an important insight into the mind of this dangerous bigot as evidenced by his comments on Charlottesville compared to his comments on peaceful protests by pro football players where Trump demands the players be fired while praising the "fine people" marching as Nazis, anti-semites, and white supremacists.




With great regret, I draw to your attention TV’s Donald Trump. The president of the United States. The one Evangelicals and some right-wing Catholics fawn over as if he were the second coming of Christ. The one who took several days to condemn white supremacism, and then almost immediately turned around and said there were fine people on both sides.


Tonight, he called people who kneel during the National Anthem in order to protest racism SOBs. Only he didn’t use initials, he just said it.

So, for anyone who’s keeping track, the president thinks we have to be very delicate about white supremacists, assume they have the best of intentions and praise the good on “both sides.” But a man who kneels silently in commemoration of African-American deaths at the hands of police officers gets cussed out in a public speech.

White people who parade with the flags of the Confederacy and the Third Reich– two regimes which fought wars against the United States and murdered Americans– were treated lightly, but a black person who takes a knee instead of standing to salute the American Flag is called names and ought to be “fired.”


And listen to the ovation the crowd gave him.

I don’t think there’s any question that the president is a bigot. He’s always been a bigot. Few have bothered to deny that. What shocks me, though it probably shouldn’t, is just how many people get excited at his racism. Listen to the ovation they gave him for that idiotic remark. Watch him walk around the stage and bask in it.


This is the country we live in.


The president went on to say that quietly kneeling during the “Star Spangled Banner” is a “total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything we stand for.” But marching around Charlottesville carrying the flags of two of our most famous enemies is too nuanced for him to condemn without hemming and hawing and claiming there were fine people on both sides.


According to the president, a harmless act of peaceful protest by a black man is disrespect for everything the United States stands for. But white men chanting “Blood and soil,” a chant composed by Nazis who murdered American soldiers and tortured them in prison camps, is too nuanced for him to express a clear opinion about in a timely manner.


And he received a round of applause.


This is the history our children and grandchildren are going to read about someday. And they will ask us what stand we took.

Let me go on the record as condemning the president and everyone who cheered him on.

Rant, rant look we know the man can do no right

That is not a rant. That is the absolute truth well-expressed by the writer. It is time for all decent people to stand up and be counted.

That is not a rant. That is the absolute truth well-expressed by the writer. It is time for all decent people to stand up and be counted.

Yes well I've already stood up, but it doesn't stop the rot

Yes well I've already stood up, but it doesn't stop the rot


When enough stand up, critical mass will be reached and the rot will stop.

The next vote is 2018, vote out those that support this racist! Then vote the racist out in 2020. That's the process.

let me watch football in peace for a few hours . Trump inflamed what was a managable situation . He's no different than when the emperor injected his two cents on race issues picking away at scabs .....completely unnecessary and unhelpful .

Rant rant.. maybe the Canuks don't take their Flag or National Anthem seriously... but we do , particularly when overpaid muscle bound athletes with the collective IQ if 74 are too rude to show some respect. Maybe the Canadian Hockey league needs to follow suit up there, or our guys set down during the Canukistan National Anthem rather than show respect as they have since forever.

I did it when I played in high school... you would have been kicked off the field and gotten a royal asskicking in the locker room after the game. But then, I didn't grow up in the age of snowflakes and fragile egos... and you showed your respect because it was the right thing to do.

If taking a knee is a respectful way to honor God, why is it not good enough for a flag? Why are we even listening to a racist talking to other racists? The owners and players sent a clear message...SCREW YOU DUFUS!

If taking a knee is a respectful way to honor God, why is it not good enough for a flag? Why are we even listening to a racist talking to other racists? The owners and players sent a clear message...SCREW YOU DUFUS!
Unfortunately there is merit in this statement only because the issue became Trump . The fact is that the NFL should've nipped this garbage in the bud a long time ago. They allowed a has been QB create this instead of smacking him down the 1st time he did it . This is not a free speech issue as the lefties keep on parroting . The players are on the owner's field wearing the owner's uniform ,getting paid by the owners to play football and follow team and league rules and guidelines .

It's too bad that the league is inconsistent in enforcing it's rules .
When the Cowboys players wanted to wear a patch in honor of the cops assassinated in Dallas during a BLM event ,the league refused permission .But they allow political demonstration by the players during the National Anthem When RG3 dared to wear a tee shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace " during a post game presser ,he was forced to turn it inside out before he continued the Q &A . When Kaepernick wore socks that depicted police as pigs the league did nothing .

This is not hurting the players in the pocket book so there is no consequences to them . It is hurting the teams plenty by allowing this nonsense to continue . Let the players take their protest out to the public square where it belongs ...... or better yet ;put their money where their mouth is and go into the communities and attempt to improve police community relations and perhaps work on the prevention of black on black crime. So far ,just this month there have been 24 murders in Chi-town alone.

Kaepernick lost his job, and is effectively blacklisted in the NFL, so he has paid a price, and has put his money where his mouth is before and since, in very quiet ways under the radar.

Colin Kaepernick Wins MVP of NFLPA Weekly Community Award | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/15/colin-kaepernick-nflpa-community-mvp/)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/colin-kaepernick-pledges-1-million-charity-anthem-protest-spreads-n641886

Dufus is very strategic in throwing the red meat to his followers in Alabama, home of Jeff Sessions, who seeks to roll back the gains the DOJ had made to bridge the gap between the black community and GOOD cops, for his return to strict law and order, which is nothing more than oppression, and suppression of minorities who have borne the brunt of institutional racist tactics for many decades under mob boss Daley, and if Dufus can be an idiot on the peoples time then Americans should be as free to exercise their own rights on the bosses time.

Kaepernick paid the consequences for his actions, but when will The Dufus? The process will demand it soon enough. Most of us see through his distractions and braggadocio, and resist, while he continues to coddle the hoodwinked desperate for a hug right wing, who long for those good old days that were a NIGHTMARE for minorities.

The players are on the owner's field wearing the owner's uniform ,getting paid by the owners to play football
I thought it was the other way around. The owners see the players' talent, and because of that, the owners contract the players to make money for the owners, money that the owners wouldn't have otherwise.

Not to mention the tax payer funded sport stadiums, WG.

He's not blacklisted . He sucks at the NFL game. He and Tebow were the product of a gimmic college system that NFL defenses have figured out ;and is no longer effective for more than an occasional change of pace play or 2 .

I thought it was the other way around. The owners see the players' talent, and because of that, the owners contract the players to make money for the owners, money that the owners wouldn't have otherwise.

Not to mention the tax payer funded sport stadiums, WG.




The players come and go .They are EMPLOYEES and there is no 1st amendment freedom of speech protection in the employer /employee relationship. I keep on hearing that it is a free speech issue .but only someone who has not read the 1st amendment could make such an argument . Our freedom is from Congress making laws prohibiting freedom of speech. You have no such protection in the work place .
Tal businesses being rent seekers and municipalities stupid enough to offer tax incentives are nothing new. That in no way makes public ownership of the business or the place it operates . Only Green Bay has public ownership of it's team.

So then the players quit.

Trumps message was clear. He was telling the white owners to get control of their boys. Your message is also clear Tom, the boss decides what your rights are. What is this? Contract slavery? Is this what makes America great again, when the boss controls every aspect of your life?

Why don't you say it clearly and loudly, the boss has no rules and rules anyway he pleases. Then tell me how your authoritarian capitalist are any different than the communist ones, or the socialists ones?

Nice going Alabama electing an extreme right wing theocrat, who is against the constitution, to run in your senate race. He didn't even know what DACA was when asked by the press. The perfect liberal nightmare that Trump and the GOP must support.

Not mentioned here (or rarely elsewhere) is Trump's abject failure in the early 80s as he tried to create the USFL competing with the NFL. He failed bigly and took down the other USFL owners with himself walking out unscathed. Except for the memory of being rejected by the NFL. As always, he holds that grudge to this day and that explains his (now common) bizarre behavior over the kneeling.

Same as his ingrained grudge against Obama for Obama's humiliation of Trump at the WH Correspondent's Dinner. If Obamacare was named Platypuscare, Trump wouldn't give a damn. He is absolutely clueless about what's in ANY of the Repub healthcare bills. When he said today that "We have the votes to pass the repeal and replace bill", it was one of his more incredible bald-faced lies. The whole world knows the bill was pulled from voting because they DID NOT HAVE the votes!!!

Tragically, when he finally got around to acknowledging the disaster in Puerto Rico, he congratulated himself on the "great" job he was doing. Really "great", he repeated.

What he should do, but he won't, is send the 82nd Airborne down there to establish martial law, followed by those huge cargo planes to paradrop the generators, food, and water. This can be done within 24 hours. Then send the 101st. The Republicans would probably say that's socialism.

But all he can do is refuse to waive the Jones Act which prevents non-US ships from entering Puerto Rico's harbors. After the world-wide outrage this caused, and probably a good kick in the a** from Kelly, he finally did waive the act. What a disgrace!!!!!

It's outrageous he pats himself on the back, while I watch needed supplies sitting on a dock not doing anyone any good at all. It's a logistics nightmare, but where are the people to get the goods where they can do some good NOW?

In other news, Facebook has revealed Russian actors targeted Americans for fake news. If you have been keeping up let me ask is coordination with the Trump campaign to far fetched for even the smallest brain? Or are those thousands of ads part of a hoax?

Also on Facebook was the Russians targeting ads to Baltimore and Ferguson as though they were BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) and subtly suggesting that blacks would be violent against whites. That explains the large outcry by whites against BLM calling them terrorists and murderers. BLM constantly denied the charges and now we know who was responsible.

The Russian connection gets deeper every day.

What about all those tweets from Russian funded actors? Oh wait, my bad, that's tomorrows news! Today it's Trump's tax cuts for the rich... My bad again, tax reforms for the middle class that will be the BIGGEST in history. The Bush tax cuts netted me $40 bucks a month. I guess $41 bucks would be bigger.

I know...I'm just a greedy lazy ungrateful liberal expecting something for nothing!

Tal I don't know who or where you work for . I do not have the freedom to say what I want; and to demonstrate on my bosses dime in his place of business ,unless he permits it . Go ahead and argue that in court . You'll lose every time That is the way it is . I can't believe you don't understand that . The Free Speech clause is very clear.


"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech."

It has nothing to do with the private workplace.

WG . All I have to say about the players 'quitting ' is remember the strike of 1987 . It lasted about 2 weeks before it fell apart because the fans went to games played by scabs ;and the players realized they had more to lose with every paycheck they missed. When the owners start losing sponsor dollars you'll see how quickly they'll end this . I believe there is a correlation between these demonstrations during the Anthem ,and the drop in viewership the league has experienced in the last year + .

Tomder, why do we need professional sports anyway? Seems like a big waste of money. :D Who is REALLY getting rich?

I don't care who is getting rich. I know the athletes who make it to the top professional levels get paid very well .... much more than they would in almost every other profession .God bless them . Their career's are short and they make the ownership lots of money . Theirs is one of the few professions where they get paid close to their worth .There are very few of them that can make it to where they perform at such high levels . They are the elites in their sport ,and are the product that gets marketed . They deserve every dollar.

What I want as a consumer is a few hours so I can watch a game that I love ,and where I don't have to deal with the issues of the day .That is my biggest objection to this whole protest thing . If they don't get why many people object to them using the anthem and the flag as a prop for their protest then they are just as clueless as those who don't "get " what their protest is about .

What I want as a consumer is a few hours so I can watch a game that I love ,and where I don't have to deal with the issues of the day .That is my biggest objection to this whole protest thing . If they don't get why many people object to them using the anthem and the flag as a prop for their protest then they are just as clueless as those who don't "get " what their protest is about .


A lot of us also want to watch a game in peace, but that wish doesn't override the players' right to protest an obvious gross miscarriage of justice by cops gunning down blacks because they're black. The latest event included the cop murderer actually stating his intention to kill the black man while in pursuit, and more than likely the cop planted the weapon which showed no DNA or prints from the murdered man but did show DNA from the cop.

The reason the judge brought a not guilty verdict was, "I do not believe a heroin dealer would be unarmed". Mull on that for a while and tell me you don't get why black players protested on the field.

Can the owners stop the protests? Sure. The players have no legal right to protest on the owner's dime, but just about everybody gets where they're coming from - except for Trump, of course. He maintains they disrespect the fallen soldiers and completely ignores the REAL issue.

But that's Trump - the guy who believes Obama wasn't born in the USA, who refused to rent to blacks in his NY real estate, and who would like to see a few thousand Puerto Ricans die from starvation and dehydration. Yeah, THAT Trump. The guy from New York City who has a lot of Puerto Ricans as friends and who loves Puerto Ricans. "They're great people, really great. Wonderful people. I love Puerto Ricans."

BLM and those ANTIFA domestic terrorists are Funded at least in part By Soros and his minions in crime numerous shadow entities he funnels his sedition projects through.

Athos... are you that clueless to think the White Majority didn't SEE for themselves that BLM IS a domestic Terrorist group as is ANTIFA... there is nothing legitimate, OR legal with what EITHER of those groups do.

Maybe the Canadians needed the Russians to bring this to their attention... we didn't. Its bloody OBVIOUS to everyone here.

Equating BLM with Antifa is par for the course for the truly clueless typical right wing loony. Even the Russian knew better but you believe everything they say anyway. That doesn't surprise me either.

but that wish doesn't override the players' right to protest an obvious gross miscarriage of justice by cops gunning down blacks because they're black.

I'll give them their perception of a grievance if they equally will realize and accept that I am offended by them using the Anthem and the flag as a prop in their protest . It is also misguided on their part to do it . No movement in this country that disrespects the flag is going to succeed .


I'll stipulate that herr Donald threw gas on the fire this weekend and made the protest a protest about his inane comments . Still if they are looking to win hearts and minds to their cause then they should find a better way to protest .

We need to take a breath away from the things that divide us every once in a while ,and football was until recently one of those things that united us in a single purpose . That is why Super Bowl Sunday has become almost a national holiday . We used to be able to do that with pop culture /movies etc also . But it has been a long time since I felt that I could watch a movie without feeling that we are being judged by the elites in Hollywierd . I resent that the fields of NFL stadiums are becoming ground zero for cultural differences . The only color that used to matter on the NFL fields was the color of the uniforms .

Still if they are looking to win hearts and minds to their cause then they should find a better way to protest .
What do you suggest?

Breaking News

Reubs have found evidence that Russian operatives have taken both sides of the anthem protest issue for the purpose of making it a much bigger issue than it really is.

GOP senator: Russian trolls using NFL controversy to stir divisions in U.S. | World News (http://daily.news.itthon.ma/news/gop-senator-russian-trolls-using-nfl-controversy-to-stir-divisions-in-us)

https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/

Of course Dufus is in the middle of it and guess which side?

What do you suggest?

see last paragraph comment #10

I'll give them their perception of a grievance if they equally will realize and accept that I am offended by them using the Anthem and the flag as a prop in their protest . It is also misguided on their part to do it . No movement in this country that disrespects the flag is going to succeed .

I kind of get what you're saying, but it's not about and never been about the anthem, or the flag. At least acknowledge the frustration and desperation at not being heard, or listened to in a very life threatening situations that ALL young black guys see. Makes one not even believe in "All men are created equal", or "equal protection under the law".


This is not hurting the players in the pocket book so there is no consequences to them . It is hurting the teams plenty by allowing this nonsense to continue . Let the players take their protest out to the public square where it belongs ...... or better yet ;put their money where their mouth is and go into the communities and attempt to improve police community relations and perhaps work on the prevention of black on black crime. So far ,just this month there have been 24 murders in Chi-town alone.

How many protests and marches do you need before we get some action on those INNOCENT black guys murdered by the cops? I won't even conflate that lack of justice with black on black crime, or the murder rate of Chicago, a bi product of decades of economic deprivation. You may as well have built a wall on the south and southwest side.

Ever wonder why crime is so prevalent in poor neighborhoods? Not just in Chiraq, but every town in the world?

Excuse the soapbox. The game is delayed in Green Bay for lightning.

Equating BLM with Antifa is par for the course for the truly clueless typical right wing loony. Even the Russian knew better but you believe everything they say anyway. That doesn't surprise me either.
Really now... Both are clueless idiots.. both of whom are full of followers that are essentially unemployable.. who think they have a right to violence and looting... and BOTH participate in violence and looting anyplace they show up... birds of a feather by ANY definition.


Care to prove how that isn't accurate?

No I'll just wait for YOU to show the TRUTH of YOUR own statements. Not holding my breath though.

Equating BLM with Antifa is par for the course for the truly clueless typical right wing loony. Even the Russian knew better but you believe everything they say anyway. That doesn't surprise me either.

Tal - I have had smoothy blocked for months ever since he has consistently been unable to post anything with a semblance of logic to scottgems repeated challenges for smoothy to support his claims with FACTS.

Your perfect description of him as a "truly clueless typical right wing loony" was 100% on target. The right is riddled with the loony smoothys of this country who can do little more than sputter out meaningless well-worn phrases sacred to Trump and his cronies. We know now that they are part of the "low-information/low IQ" population segment and comprise the great majority of Trump's core supporters.

To engage them in debate is a useless exercise. Unlike Tomder who offers reasons for his positions although I may not agree with him (rarely do). Smoothy the Loony and his friends are a sad case and best left alone to stew in the poisonous juices they love to wallow in.

I'll give them their perception of a grievance if they equally will realize and accept that I am offended by them using the Anthem and the flag as a prop in their protest . It is also misguided on their part to do it . No movement in this country that disrespects the flag is going to succeed .


They DO realize that you are offended by their actions. That's sort of the point, isn't it? To draw attention to a terrible injustice by maybe pissing off people until those people finally examine why the players are protesting. To see how such a large segment of cops are out of control and how some of them (too many) routinely act as executioners. By a large segment, I include those "good" cops who know exactly who the bad ones are and keep silent. The "Blue Wall of Silence".

I come from a family of NYPD cops - grandfather, three uncles and cousins, from beat cop to Captain. I know police corruption has always existed but that is no excuse to ignore it. It is high time to expose the murderous behavior of cops for what it is - MURDER!


For what is a very mild disruption of the national anthem, I fail to see how that indicates disrespect for the military and/or American values. But that is what Trump wants his supporters to believe, and they go right along. It is a pathetic spin designed to prevent people from thinking about police behavior and African-Americans.

As far as the flag being desecrated as you mentioned, I have seen NO instance of that in the NFL. Yet you casually include it as though it were fact. That comes straight from the mind and mouth of Trump - made-up news.

Breaking News

Reubs have found evidence that Russian operatives have taken both sides of the anthem protest issue for the purpose of making it a much bigger issue than it really is.

GOP senator: Russian trolls using NFL controversy to stir divisions in U.S. | World News (http://daily.news.itthon.ma/news/gop-senator-russian-trolls-using-nfl-controversy-to-stir-divisions-in-us)

https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/

Of course Dufus is in the middle of it and guess which side?



Dufus, no doubt, sees an advantage to himself by playing ball with the Russians. He is in for a BIG surprise.

The Russians, apparently, are doing this all over the world in the industrialized countries. They seek to divide, then pick and support a side, then annex part of the country in question.

For those who don't believe it - See Ukraine where they did precisely that and wound up taking over the Crimea. This is WAY above Dufus' paygrade and as long as he sits in the White House, he puts America in jeopardy.

Dufus, no doubt, sees an advantage to himself by playing ball with the Russians. He is in for a BIG surprise.

The Russians, apparently, are doing this all over the world in the industrialized countries. They seek to divide, then pick and support a side, then annex part of the country in question.

For those who don't believe it - See Ukraine where they did precisely that and wound up taking over the Crimea. This is WAY above Dufus' paygrade and as long as he sits in the White House, he puts America in jeopardy.

No it isn't Trump ho puts america in jeopardy, it is his transgender advisors who put america in jeopardy

No it isn't Trump ho puts america in jeopardy, it is his transgender advisors who put america in jeopardy

You may have to explain that to me in terms my little bity brain can understand Clete.

You may have to explain that to me in terms my little bity brain can understand Clete.

Donald Trumps son-in-law Jared Kushner voted as a woman in 2016 election, documents show (http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trumps-soninlaw-jared-kushner-voted-as-a-woman-in-2016-election-documents-show/news-story/740aca78e73c15838710af5a2dc0f1fc)

The players are close to killing the goose that lays golden eggs for them .The ratings for NFL have been going down for a year ,and this protest is part of the reason why . They should look at the example of Oprah Winfrey to see how turning a mostly entertainment venue into a political platform can turn on the host quickly .
She was riding the top of the television world until she made the mistake of endorsing the emperor for President . May 2007 she was a guest on Larry King's show . She had already endorsed the emperor . Larry King asked her “Is there a side of you, the woman side, that would lean toward a Hillary?” She replied;“Well, I have great respect for Hillary Clinton"...“I think I’ve said this before, and it’s true: Because I am for Barack does not mean I am against Hillary or anybody else.”

The problem was that most of her audience was white females . Oprah had chosen the less qualified, less experienced black man over the more qualified, more experienced white woman.Her message board was soon overwhelmed with angry postings. Major media began to notice and began reporting the eroding support she was getting from her core audience. She lost over 10 percent of her viewers, and she knew her #1 status on television was about to end. She pulled the plug on her show before the inevitable crash happened . The NFL has such a huge market share that it can absorb the loss in ratings temporarily . But the Oprah example should warn them how fast things can go bad .

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/directv-nfl-sunday-ticket-refunds-protests/

http://mailchi.mp/a04f863b4d08/renacci-cancels-nfl-ad-buy

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/26/themmqb-nfl-fans-stopped-watching-colin-kaepernick-anthem-protests-donald-trump-nfl-ratings

So backing the wrong horse got rid of Winfrey, good. Media people should stay out of it. And so should sports people

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/directv-nfl-sunday-ticket-refunds-protests/

Renacci Cancels NFL Ad Buy (http://mailchi.mp/a04f863b4d08/renacci-cancels-nfl-ad-buy)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/26/themmqb-nfl-fans-stopped-watching-colin-kaepernick-anthem-protests-donald-trump-nfl-ratings


You are moving the discussion exactly where Trump wants it to go - to TV ratings and the NFL and, good Lord, Oprah Winfrey. I thought you were smarter than that, Tom, and could see through Trump's devious ways.

The issue is about black men being gunned down by the police. Not the NFL, not the anthem, and certainly not Oprah Winfrey!! Don't be a foil for Trump, he has more than enough of those.

cute . The Ravens tried to turn their protest into a
'pre-anthem' prayer . The fans saw through it and booed . The only preception that really matters is the paying audience ;and after a year of this every single football weekend ,they've had enough .

TV revenues bring in the bulk of the loot.

NFL TV revenues strong for now, but networks are preparing for ad slump (http://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/nfl-tv-revenues-strong-now-ad-slump-coming.html)

So lets not blame the whole mess on the players since it's many more things involved.

The only preception that really matters is the paying audience


WRONG!!! The perception that matters is justice and the criminal killing of Americans by the police. Like too many right-wing Republicans, the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar.