Hello:

You know it too, doncha??

excon

Well, he did say he could shoot somebody in the street and get away with it!

He's only going to take on the bad hombres .

He's only going to take on the bad hombres .Hello again, tom:

Jeff Sessions thinks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/18/trumps-pick-for-attorney-general-good-people-dont-smoke-marijuana/?utm_term=.8e21fa5fe72b) I'M a bad hombre..

excon

Ex is afraid his sources are going to dry up or his prices go up... who knows.

Or maybe he just hasn't seen enough drug related crime where he lives yet to get it.

who knowsHello smoothy:

Obviously you don't.. Pot is LEGAL in Washington state.

excon

Hello again, tom:

Jeff Sessions thinks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/18/trumps-pick-for-attorney-general-good-people-dont-smoke-marijuana/?utm_term=.8e21fa5fe72b) I'M a bad hombre..

excon



https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-09/jeff-sessions-probably-can-t-restart-the-incarceration-boom

Maybe the only way to win the drug war is to do a Duturte, and reduce the population of pushers, users and pimps

Maybe the only way to win the drug war is to do a Duturte, and reduce the population of pushers, users and pimps

Where has that worked ? Here in the US we have states nullifying Federal narcotic laws .It is open rebellion but is it worth the cost to make them submit ? Targeting druggies ;targeting pushers hasn't worked . Now we are supposed to take down states over this issue ? If we are going to smack down states it better be over issues like slavery.
My question to the legalization crowd is where are the limits ? ...and I'm not just talking about pot .

Hello again, tom:

You said it yourself.. Prohibition doesn't work.. It doesn't matter WHAT is being prohibited, it simply doesn't work. To think it kinda works, or if it doesn't, it surly oughta, isn't real world thinking..

excon

what doesn't work is your absolutist approach. Many drugs kill .That is why you on the left are probably in favor of a big massive Federal agency like the FDA . They also destroy marriages ,deprive children of emotionally healthy parents and other unintended social costs .

I'm sure the name Lenny Bias rings a bell . He was a talented basketball player who never reached his potential because he ODed on coke. He was celebrating being drafted by the Boston Celtics on the day he died . Phillip Seymore Hoffman's life was cut short using heroin .

Even legal drugs are severely controlled . Why ? Well ask the kin of Michael Jackson ,Elvis ,Jimi Hendrix,Bruce Lee,Whitney Houston,and Heath Ledger among others why .Many drugs are addictive and easily abused .

As many people are hooked on prozac and oxycodin as there are on heroin or coke. That's what pisses me off. Suburban soccer moms don't do jail time for their dope use but the boys in the hood do. Suburban dope dealers (doctors) don't go to jail either, or stand on street corners.

If you look at the states like Maine, with a horrendous heroin problem, they don't have enough beds to treat those addicts, so they hand out methadone which is just as bad so not a solution either, no more than a jail is.

Send a guy to jail, or just shoot 'em, there always will be somebody to take their place, be it users, or pushers.

Tax 'em and regulate 'em!! Just like beer!

what doesn't work is your absolutist approach. Many drugs kill .Hello again, tom:

Nahhh.. We already KNOW what doesn't work.. And, doing MORE of it, isn't going to work any better...

You seem to think because I support legalization, I support wide spread drug abuse. I dunno HOW many times I've said it, but I BELIEVE that legalization will REDUCE harm instead of spreading it around.. There's a jillion reasons why that's true, but let's just discuss ONE..

The ONLY truth the drug warriors uttered, is that addiction is terrible. Addicts DON'T want to be addicts.. But, once they are, there's NO place to go for help. Lemme say that again, there's NO place to go for help.

Ok.. I know I said I was only gonna present ONE argument, but there's one important add on.. You drug warriors seem to believe that there are MILLIONS of people just chomping at the bit to TRY heroin just as soon as it becomes legal.. But, I don't KNOW anybody like that, and you don't know anybody like that, so I maintain there's NOBODY like that.. So, even though we don't know anybody like that, let's assume there's a small percentage of the population that WANTS to be addicted..

However, I maintain, if TREATMENT on demand were available to addicts, I believe the addiction rate would come WAY down..

And, I got a third thing.. Look.. There seems to be this notion in drug warrior circles, that drug use MUST be accompanied with CRIME.. But, that's drug warrior BUNK.. I've done cocaine.. It did NOT propel me to rob my nearest 7/Eleven..

Finally, there just MAY be 10% of our population that wants to be addicted. But, if their drugs were CHEAP and WIDELY available, they're NOT gonna STEAL to get their drugs..

I'm out.

excon

"Marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."

William F. Buckley, Jr.

And, I got a third thing.. Look.. There seems to be this notion in drug warrior circles, that drug use MUST be accompanied with CRIME.. But, that's drug warrior BUNK.. I've done cocaine.. It did NOT propel me to rob my nearest 7/Eleven..

excon
Good morning, excon --

But doesn't the crime happen because the user needs money to support his (expensive) habit, so holds up that 7-11?

Wondering,
WG

The crime happens when pushers defend their turf. Yeah, addicts steal, mostly from family, and friends, but seldom at gunpoint. Addicts crimes are mostly domestic abuse, traffic offenses, disorderly conduct, or public order offenses, or drug violations.

Criminals use/abuse dope, but that's part of the cycle of incarceration stemming from the black market underground economy. I left out prostitution on purpose, because that has many layers and classes, and not all have to do with drugs.

That's the low end that you read in the papers though, the ones with no lawyers, no doctors, and no jobs. Most addicts are in suburbia. Of course we aren't talking about them are we?

But doesn't the crime happen because the user needs money to support his (expensive) habit, so holds up that 7-11?Hello Carol:

Maybe... But, if crime happens BECAUSE the user needs money, one would have to ask whether crime would occur IF drugs were available, cheap and legal..

I say no.

But, that's not absolute, of course.. Even though food is legal, SOME people steal it because they need to support their eating habit.. I've never heard anyone say that food causes crime... We just had a diamond heist here in Seattle.. I don't hear people saying diamonds cause crime..

excon

We just had a diamond heist here in Seattle.. I don't hear people saying diamonds cause crime..

excon
Hello again, excon --

I wonder why were the diamonds were heisted. To buy a 2018 vehicle or to buy drugs or for grocery shopping money? What was the reason for the crime? (I'm guessing we don't know yet.)

Even if certain drugs are legal, how would users/people pay for them? And wouldn't the drug sources and middlemen jack up the price for greater profits? So that means we're back to arming the 7-11 (or Grandma).

Still wondering WG

Hello again, Carol:

I dunno. How do people pay for Jim Beam?? Alcohol USED to cause crime. But, it doesn't anymore..

excon

And wouldn't the drug sources and middlemen jack up the price for greater profits? So that means we're back to arming the 7-11 (or Grandma).

Still wondering WG

Legal drugs would be sold in state stores like state liquor stores so there wouldn't be any possibility of prices being jacked up for greater profits - and so we would not be back to arming the 7-11 (or Grandma).

cigarettes are legal ... now the state sees them as a revenue enhancer (like many states see legal pot as revenue enhancers ) Here in NY they tax the hell out of them because it is a revenue enhancer for a state that is out of ideas for keeping it's companies here .... but they also tax em because they think that the cost will discourage cigarette use . So what do we get ?

Inside New York City's Dangerous, Multimillion-Dollar Cigarette Black Market | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/cigarette-smuggling-new-york-_n_5041823.html)

I predict there will be a thriving black market for pot too when it is legal nationwide .

There has always been a thriving market for pot.

I predict there will be a thriving black market for pot too when it is legal nationwide .


Tom, which planet do you live on? there is already a thriving black market for pot, it is part of the drug problem

There has always been a thriving market for pot





there is already a thriving black market for pot, it is part of the drug problem




what part of WHEN IT IS LEGAL NATIONWIDE don't you understand ?

what part of WHEN IT IS LEGAL NATIONWIDE don't you understand ?

I understood it perfectly, that isn't going to happen soon, but it makes no never mind anyway

Hello again:

Couple things...

Certainly, Alabama is NOT one of the states cashing in on pot. The states that are, are bastions of liberalism.. What makes you think Trump/Sessions CARES about them??? Sessions is an ideologue, and ideologues don't CARE about facts.. Do I think he has sway over Trump?? I DO!!

excon

PS> The problem we're having is that right wingers are trying to NORMALIZE Trump. He AIN'T normal, and NOTHING about this administration IS.

Look.. This CRAZY man is threatening to DE-FUND California if they don't BOW to his wishes over sanctuary cities.. Now, ORDINARY people would think this is just hyperbole.. But, I think Trump will actually TRY to do it.. And yes, I think he'll TRY to crush the marijuana trade..

Do I think he'll MURDER people on the street??? NOTHING is normal with this buffoon?? He certainly isn't putting down his Philippine buddy for doing it

He AIN'T normal, and NOTHING about this administration IS.


Truer words were never written.