Hello:


I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys.
I listened as they said he wasn't born here.
I watched as they blocked every single path to progress that they could.
I saw the pictures of him as Hitler.
I watched them shut down the government and hurt the entire nation twice.
I watched them turn their backs on every opportunity to open worthwhile dialog.
I watched them say that they would not even listen to any choice for Supreme Court no matter who the nominee was.
I listened as they openly said that they will oppose him at every turn.
I watched as they did just that.
I listened.
I watched.
I paid attention.
Now, I'm being called on to be tolerant.
To move forward.
To denounce protesters.
To "Get over it."
To accept this...
I will not.
I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.
I will do this as quickly as possible every chance I get.
I will do my part to limit the damage that this man can do to my country.
I will watch his every move and point out every single mistake and misdeed in a loud and proud voice.
I will let you know in a loud voice every time this man backs away from a promise he made to them.
Them. The people who voted for him.
The ones who sold their souls and prayed for him to win.
I will do this so that they never forget.
And they will hear me.
They will see it in my eyes when I look at them.
They will hear it in my voice when I talk to them.
They will know that I know who they are.
They will know that I know what they are.
Do not call for my tolerance. I've tolerated all I can. Now it's their turn to tolerate ridicule. Be aware, make no mistake about it, every single thing that goes wrong in our country from this day forward is now Trump's fault just as much as they thought it was Obama's. I find it unreasonable for them to expect from me what they were entirely unwilling to give.



I listened as they called my President a Muslim... (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/02/1616437/-I-listened-as-they-called-my-President-a-Muslim)

excon

I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.


I listened as they called my President a Muslim... (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/02/1616437/-I-listened-as-they-called-my-President-a-Muslim)

excon

Ex, Your President, as you call him, is a muslim, an admitted muslim, but he masquaraded as a Christian before elected which means he lied to the american people. The fact is your most recent holders of the office have been an embarrassment and everyone has had to be tolerant. Dump is unlikely to be better than Clintoon, Dublya, BO but he offers a promise of something different and he is telling it like it is so why don't you listen for a while

Hello

Ex

"Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but there is no cure for stupid."

Ex, Your President, as you call him, is a muslim, an admitted muslim, but he masquaraded as a Christian before elected which means he lied to the american people.
Huh? Obama is not a Muslim. Admitted Muslim?

Ex, Your President, as you call him, is a muslim, an admitted muslim, but he masquaraded as a Christian before elected which means he lied to the american people. The fact is your most recent holders of the office have been an embarrassment and everyone has had to be tolerant. Dump is unlikely to be better than Clintoon, Dublya, BO but he offers a promise of something different and he is telling it like it is so why don't you listen for a while



Has someone hijacked paraclete post? Let's hope so.

The original post copied here by ex is EXACTLY how I - and many many others - feel about this travesty soon to be inaugurated. The sooner he is impeached, thr better.

Has someone hijacked paraclete post? Let's hope so.

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No one has hijacked my post. Dump remains a loudmouth braggart, however he maybe able to motivate the military-industrial complex in a way the panty-waisted former holders of the office have not. I think we have all sickened of the whinning of the defeated and dejected. Change is difficult, you just have to suck it up and see

"Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but there is no cure for stupid."Hello c:

I dunno. If you had brains, you'd offer an argument.. Instead, you call names. How dumb is that?

excon

Trump called the families of fallen police officers in the past few months. Obama doesn't do that. Just stating a fact.

I never liked Obama but as with others I have always respected the office of the Presidency. Im hoping that Trump can shake things up enough to start politicians thinking that just being elected isnt good enough and you actually have to produce something. This career lifetime politician position should be coming to an end. That is the true message of Trump.

Trump called the families of fallen police officers in the past few months. Obama doesn't do that. Just stating a fact.
Please document this. Your source for this tidbit?

No one has hijacked my post.

I was referring to this - Ex, Your President, as you call him, is a muslim, an admitted muslim, but he masquaraded as a Christian before elected which means he lied to the american people


Do you actually believe this?

My children's father was killed in the line of duty in October. The funeral was televised nationwide. It's a fact.

Trump called the families of fallen police officers in the past few months. Obama doesn't do that. Just stating a fact.Hello teach:

Did Trump call the families of black people killed by the police?? I didn't think so.

excon

I'm stating that Trump has been calling the families of fallen officers, but Obama did not. I am not going to speak about what I can't back up.

but as with others I have always respected the office of the Presidency. Im hoping that Trump can shake things up enough to start politicians thinking that just being elected isnt good enough and you actually have to produce something.


The problem here is that, so far, the Trump Administration has produced a huge amount of questions about conflicts of interest and ethical questions on the part of Trump and his nominees. So far Trump and his Tweeting have largely been an embarrassment with potential danger of diplomacy.

I'm with excon here though not quite as strident. I will continue to point out his lies, his attacks against freedoms his proposals that appear to greatly burden the middle class while benefitting the upper class. But I will also point out any time he does something good, though there have been very few of those.

It's incredibly sad, and unfortunate, that so many in the country have fallen into an "us against them" mentality.

Perhaps it is how the media portrays things, and how then many follow suit. Regardless, fewer people appear to even want to try and work together on anything. Many are so focused on making a point of being oppositional, and not interested in any other point of view than their own.

Compromise has become a negative notion, and any hint of someone being inclined to consider it is quickly labeled as a sell out with having their good intentions not tolerated, even vilified.There is little left of what's good for the country, it's now what " I " want, and I'll yell, plot, and curse my way to getting it.

Disgusted and embarrassed by the whole lot of them... many of the prominent politicians, media, and more and more of the general public. The lack of maturity, integrity, and decency is appalling.

Answer to the question: Yes, of course we should give him a chance. Any president should be given a chance.There should be negotiations, compromise, and people willing to listen and exchange ideas. Americans should be hoping that things go well.

Tit for tat accomplishes nothing, is immature, shortsighted, and dangerous.

Hello

EX

First of all I did not call you a name, just suggested 3 that you could pick from.

Why, would I want to give you credibility by presenting an argument to a fool.

Sorry Ex

No way to argue with some of the opinionated on here who think they are right.

Yes I do. BO was raised as a muslim during his formative years and his actions betray him

No way to argue with some of the opinionated on here who think they are right.Hello again, c:

That's what we do here - argue with people who DON'T agree with us.. If that's too much trouble for you, go wash the dishes..

excon

Yes I do. BO was raised as a muslim during his formative years and his actions betray him

Thank you for your response. I had NO idea you were part of the same category that includes "birtherism".

It's hard to know what to say to people like you who are so divorced from reality on certain issues. Although Obama's being a Muslim was dismissed early on, you have held onto this piece of nonsense. I wonder why.

At some level, it must serve you to believe this. Maybe it's a way for you to dismiss Obama being part of a group you disapprove of? Surely you must realize its patent silliness?

You did not answer where Obama "admitted" (your word) that he is a Muslim. Care to answer that one?

How early on is early on ?

This is as recent as 2015.

Did Obama just say he’s a Muslim (again)? (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/did-obama-just-say-hes-a-muslim-again/)

You did not answer where Obama "admitted" (your word) that he is a Muslim. Care to answer that one?

Do your own research I have done mine

https://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY

Saleem alilikum is a greeting between Muslims, Christians don't use it, the first thing a Muslim will do is greet you in this way as a recognition signal in the Muslim world

How early on is early on ?

This is as recent as 2015.

Did Obama just say he’s a Muslim (again)? (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/did-obama-just-say-hes-a-muslim-again/)
Ha, ha. You're joking, right? It might be a fun thing to watch the ENTIRE speech and note how he uses "we" and what its antecedent is --

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQb12MqUTY


Do your own research I have done mine

https://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY

Saleem alilikum is a greeting between Muslims, Christians don't use it, the first thing a Muslim will do is greet you in this way as a recognition signal in the Muslim world
Let's edit and cherry-pick. Who was his audience?

Yes what was he saying here I am a muslim talking to muslims?

Yes what was he saying here I am a muslim talking to muslims?
Try again.

I don't think Trump deserves a chance either but there isn't much people can do unless he gets impeached.

How early on is early on ?

This is as recent as 2015.

Did Obama just say he’s a Muslim (again)? (http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/did-obama-just-say-hes-a-muslim-again/)



Here's a direct quote from that link --

"Obama has long denied he was ever a Muslim ."

Do your own research I have done mine

https://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY

Saleem alilikum is a greeting between Muslims, Christians don't use it, the first thing a Muslim will do is greet you in this way as a recognition signal in the Muslim world



You surprise me paraclete. I gave you credit for much more intelligence than you are exhibiting here.

Yesterday, my Hindu friend greeted me. I replied with "namaste" while slightly bowing and clasping my hands together as if in prayer. It's a greeting that recognizes the divine in each other.

Did that make me a Hindu? No.

Watching that video and concluding from it that Obama is a Muslim is a reflection on your ability to react rationally. Your conclusion is nothing short of bizarre.

I'm sorry but some things have to be said even when they're very uncomfortable.

Try again.

Let's try it again, wa-saleem alikaium. Muslims have been wishing each other peace for 1400 years and the outcome? They live in a region where there never has been peace, they, like the US, have always been at war with someone, and yet you want to defend the Muslim in Chief, who took no decisive action against ISIS, just fiddled around the edges, who destroyed Gaddaffi who kept islamic jihadism in check, who left Afghanistan in a worse state that what he found it, who helped Saudi Arabia wage a war in Yemen, who kowtowed to the saudi princes. Wake up, thankfully his days are numbered

Let's try it again, wa-saleem alikaium. Muslims have been wishing each other peace for 1400 years and the outcome? They live in a region where there never has been peace, they, like the US, have always been at war with someone, and yet you want to defend the Muslim in Chief, who took no decisive action against ISIS, just fiddled around the edges, who destroyed Gaddaffi who kept islamic jihadism in check, who left Afghanistan in a worse state that what he found it, who helped Saudi Arabia wage a war in Yemen, who kowtowed to the saudi princes. Wake up, thankfully his days are numbered
And his audience was? (she asked yet again)

Hello again, Athos:

I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys.
I listened as they said he wasn't born here.

As you can see, it will NEVER change. That would be NEVER EVER..

excon

I don't think Trump deserves a chance either but there isn't much people can do unless he gets impeached.Hello earl:

Oh, yes there is.. We can take to the streets.. Thunderous crowds CAN change political winds..

The Republicans in congress are AFRAID of Trump.. If they go up against him, he WILL destroy them, and they know it.. BUT, if they SEE that they have the people behind them, maybe they'll DO their job..

excon

I dont think they know what their job is suppose to be. Even if you hold their hands they still wouldn't know what to do.

THe left is STILL giving Obama a chance 8 years later and he still hasn't done anything right or made anything better yet for any taxpaying person. Trump isn't even in office yet and he is already making a positive difference and they just can't stand that.

[Trump] is already making a positive difference
Please elaborate on what that is.

He doesn't stay on key real well --

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+trump+singing+green+acres&qpvt=youtube+trump+singing+green+acres&view=detail&mid=E27239F6F7523DC0871AE27239F6F7523DC0871A&FORM=VRDGAR

Don't be negative, he has had an effect on retaining employment, sure he needs to work harder but it is early days, we are at -10 right now, let's see where we are at +100, remember nothing is instant

he has had an effect on retaining employment
Huh? What have I missed?!

Don't be negative, he has had an effect on retaining employment, sure he needs to work harder but it is early days, we are at -10 right now, let's see where we are at +100, remember nothing is instant

What's this "WE" stuff, Aussie person? As usual you have no clue about the American Way of doing things, and as AMERICANS we have the RIGHT to be negative, LOUD, and oppositional to our political leaders. In short we don't have to wait, or give him a chance to do a darn thing before we jump in his crap!

He may be the duly elected leader of the pack, but he ain't the DICTATOR and we ain't his mindless subjects. Also his effect on employment remains to be seen, and as usual you make statements without facts, which are available, if you can get beyond your blatant racist tendencies.

Tal curb your racist tendencies, I note you think no one outside your borders can have an opinion, pity you didn't shout LOUDER against BO but you still have a few days, but remember the world is tired of the american way, there is too much collateral damage

Please elaborate on what that is.

He doesn't stay on key real well --

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+trump+singing+green+acres&qpvt=youtube+trump+singing+green+acres&view=detail&mid=E27239F6F7523DC0871AE27239F6F7523DC0871A&FORM=VRDGAR


He's already dome more about increasing the number of jobs than Obama has... (the labor participation rate under Obama went down significantly and that's the only true indication of how many people are NOT employed in the country).

Actually the collective mental meltdown on the left was funny at first....then it became annoying, and now its outright pathetic.

I suggest the same for people who can't get over a breakup or a death or divorce...at a certain point its time they seek a mental health counselor, because the next election isn't for another 4 years and there is NOTHING they can do to change it.

The the more they yap..the more it appears to everyone else, they have a real problem that needs addressing and the less anyone really wants to hear it. Particularly since Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet, and they defended every stupid and illegal thing Obama or Hillary has done so they are hardly objective or unbiased.

This is why effectively nobody believes anything the lame stream media says. They were caught thanks to Wiki-leaks colluding with the DNC and pushing fake news day after day....to the point nobody even believes the weatherperson any more.

He's already dome more about increasing the number of jobs than Obama has...
C'mon. You know that's not true. If anything, he has given companies permission to threaten to pull up stakes and thus blackmail us.

C'mon. You know that's not true. If anything, he has given companies permission to threaten to pull up stakes and thus blackmail us.

Don't you just love circular arguments? Seriously, Don't you just love circular arguments?

Don't you just love circular arguments? Seriously, Don't you just love circular arguments?
How so? That what he has done more than once! Please refute with documentation.

C'mon. You know that's not true. If anything, he has given companies permission to threaten to pull up stakes and thus blackmail us.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-10/u-s-small-business-optimism-index-surges-by-most-since-1980

Trump has fellow repubs slobbing at the mouth all right at the possibilities of making MO" MONEY, but let's not forget what happened after Bush cut taxes and deregulated in 2002. Sounds like more supply side economics to me but we won't know until after all the seasonal layoffs and store closings have been factored in and then we still await what Trump actually does.

I mean if saving/making jobs in America looks anything like his Carrier deal then we are in for a rocky ride indeed.

Donald Trump Carrier Deal: It Is a Good Deal | Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/trump-carrier/)

Carrier Deal Gets Worse As Trump Spent 7 Million Taxpayer Dollars To Keep 800 Jobs In US (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/01/carrier-deal-worse-trump-spent-7-million-taxpayer-dollars-800-jobs.html)

When I look at the people at Trump rallies, I always think of this quote from George Carlin, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." He was a very wise man.

Dems should give Trump the same chance and support repubs gave Obama from day one.

Sounds fair to me!

I thought they have done that already

I thought they have done that already

Not even close... there was NEVER violence, and organized threats calling for Obama's death or assassination like the left has been doing. Let them "Protest" like they have been known to do in Virginia, like the degenerate behavior in Baltimore and Ferguson. They can expect a LOT of them to be shot to death by Virginians who won't put up with ANY of that crap here if they try.

Of course many on the left typically prefer to make up their own facts of stuff that never happened. Reality is a bit hard for some of them to deal with face to face.


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Of course many on the left typically prefer to make up their own facts of stuff that never happened. Reality is a bit hard for some of them to deal with face to face.



Looks like a mob of zombies to me

Looks like a mob of zombies to me


Like zombies... not a lot of cerebral activity taking place. Just wait...you will see the same crowd that was harping on Bush about Afghanistan, was silent about Afghanistan the last 8 years and rooting for Syria...and soon they will suddenly have a problem with it again....when nothing has changed. Like a broken record. And as predictable as the sunrise and sunset.

Like zombies... not a lot of cerebral activity taking place. Just wait...you will see the same crowd that was harping on Bush about Afghanistan, was silent about Afghanistan the last 8 years and rooting for Syria...and soon they will suddenly have a problem with it again....when nothing has changed. Like a broken record. And as predictable as the sunrise and sunset.


Let's establish the ground from the start, Bush was wrong about Iraq, Obama was wrong about Libya, let's not have any bleeding hearts about afghanistan, they harboured terrorists, and the same can be said of Syria. I say bomb the crap out of Racca and leave them to it

If someone's a Peacenik, I'm fine with that as long as they are consistent no matter what administration is in office. I have no Issues with us being in Afghanistan, Didn't under Bush, didn't under Obama.. what I have issues with is how they are pursue it with their stupid rules of engagement... Same mistakes they made in Vietnam... tying one arm and one leg behind our back.. and some cases blindfolding them too. You put our soldiers in danger.. you should give them the free rein to do what it takes. Or don't bother. Middle ground gets people killed for no reason.

As far as Libya, that was stupid... they weren't bothering us... and Syria, as bad as he might have been, at least he was keeping the degenerates under his control in check... Iraq? If Saddam had played nice and simply honored the terms of the cease fire agreement... he would still be alive and kicking today, oppressing the degenerates in his country. Taking him out wasn't unprovoked, but the limited rules of engagement again... hogtied our troops unnecessarily. Do that and more of our people die because of some "political correctness". "Measured response" in military actions nearly always translates into.. "lets see how badly we can F this up"

Hell proof of that dates back at LEAST as far as the Korean war (for the USA) the Brits pulled some legendary stupidity in WW1 during the trench Warfare... doesn't anyone ever learn from past events?

If someone's a Peacenik, I'm fine with that as long as they are consistent no matter what administration is in office. I have no Issues with us being in Afghanistan, Didn't under Bush, didn't under Obama.. what I have issues with is how they are pursue it with their stupid rules of engagement... Same mistakes they made in Vietnam... tying one arm and one leg behind our back.. and some cases blindfolding them too. You put our soldiers in danger.. you should give them the free rein to do what it takes. Or don't bother. Middle ground gets people killed for no reason.

As far as Libya, that was stupid... they weren't bothering us... and Syria, as bad as he might have been, at least he was keeping the degenerates under his control in check... Iraq? If Saddam had played nice and simply honored the terms of the cease fire agreement... he would still be alive and kicking today, oppressing the degenerates in his country. Taking him out wasn't unprovoked, but the limited rules of engagement again... hogtied our troops unnecessarily. Do that and more of our people die because of some "political correctness". "Measured response" in military actions nearly always translates into.. "lets see how badly we can F this up"

Hell proof of that dates back at LEAST as far as the Korean war (for the USA) the Brits pulled some legendary stupidity in WW1 during the trench Warfare... doesn't anyone ever learn from past events?

Smoothy, you know the military mind only learns that they are superior, some want to replay the tactics of old battles, some are just stupid. The idea that you can protect civilian populations in urban warfare is what causes problems today, if such ideas existed in WWII, the whole of Europe would have been under Russian domination. If your enemy has the intention to fight to the last man, end it quickly

I agree...

I don't because the truth is there are no quick easy fixes once the war starts.

I don't because the truth is there are no quick easy fixes once the war starts.

Nobody said there was Tal, problem is the halfazz way they have been doing it since Korea makes actually winning that much harder. And it gets the average soldier killed at far higher rates than it should.

The PC crap with their really stupid restrictive rules of engagement make it almost impossible to win. Its your average Soldier (picking a general term to use as its not JUST the army involved) is who pays the price for the PC BS their superiors pull. Many of them politicians.

Go in to win... or get the hell out... half measures drag things out and gets our people killed unnecessarily.

And the innocent people who live there and are caught in the crossfire? Too bad for them, I guess.

And the innocent people who live there and are caught in the crossfire? Too bad for them, I guess.Yep... they either voted for them, supported them or put up with them... either way.. they aren't all that innocent.

Unless we get into it during an actual civil war when they are trying to do something. But being on the wrong side? Not our problem.

Women and kids have been making themselves part of this since forever.

One of my best friends saw guys in his platoon die in Vietnam from women who had explosive in a baby cart under a real baby, and another time had a toddler roll a hand grenade towards him, luckily kid wasn't old enough to remember to pull the pin like they were told or my friend would never have lived long enough to become my friend.

Middle east does the same thing on a regular basis. They have a far different concept of the value of a human life than we have. Meaning they have almost none.

But they have no knowledge in or experience with alternate points of view and political ideas. For instance, look at North Korea and what has been drummed into the heads of the populace for decades. You and I know there's a better way, but they don't. Or don't dare mention it out loud. Torture and death will result. Look how far Vietnam has come (and is still moving forward).

Its summed up quite simply... Life is harsh... life isn't fair. It wasn't a cake walk here under the British....and quite a few people died before we got our freedom from them....they can do that too. Or they don't deserve it.

Its summed up quite simply... Life is harsh... life isn't fair. It wasn't a cake walk here under the British....and quite a few people died before we got our freedom from them....they can do that too. Or they don't deserve it.
So,"Nuts to them." Heck, we didn't have anyone helping us defeat the British ... or did we?

Reminds me of Pastor Niemoller's poem --



"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

But they have no knowledge in or experience with alternate points of view and political ideas. For instance, look at North Korea and what has been drummed into the heads of the populace for decades. You and I know there's a better way, but they don't. Or don't dare mention it out loud. Torture and death will result. Look how far Vietnam has come (and is still moving forward).

Vietnam hasn't come very far dissent isn't tolerated, don't think the North Koreans don't know there is a better way, they just don't know how to attain it, but communism on NK is a religion, leader veneration in a slightly more extreme version than found in the US

So,"Nuts to them." Heck, we didn't have anyone helping us defeat the British ... or did we?

Reminds me of Pastor Niemoller's poem --



"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."



We'd have still been under British rule... before the Russians or the Germans, maybe even the Japanese took over the world.

Nothing pretty about war... but losing one because you weren't willing to do what it took to win is far uglier.

We'd have still been under British rule... before the Russians or the Germans, maybe even the Japanese took over the world.

Nothing pretty about war... but losing one because you weren't willing to do what it took to win is far uglier.
My point was, we had help. We had allies. We didn't gain independence all by our little selves.

My point was, we had help. We had allies. We didn't gain independence all by our little selves.Not that awful much during the revolutionary war...and the Brits at the time were a major world power not a two bit thug. But if they won't fight for their OWN country, they don't deserve to run to anyone else's. Particularly since none of them are fighting for independence from anyone.

Guilty as charged.